Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Dolphins fall to 0-3 in loss Josh Allen & Bills, Steelers-Patriots preview

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Tua Tagovailoa fell to ab abysmal 0-3 start to the NFL season after losing to Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Later, they discuss the ongoing controversy surrounding Tom Brady's role with the Las Vegas Raiders and Fox Sports, and much more heading into Week 3 of the NFL Season! Timeline:00:00 - Bills beat Dolphins13:30 - Dolphins locker room issues29:00 - Tom Brady controversy 35:00 - Tush Push penalties39:50 - Eagles offensive struggles45:25 - Deebo's gym story (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got it all right here. Joe, how you doing this morning, buddy? Man, I'm doing good, brother Debo, man. Having a great night watching football, man. The Bills, the Dolphins game. It was great game to see. Great game to see. Oh, yeah, for sure, man.

The dolphins, they came out to fight, dog. They came out to fight. You know what's so crazy as I talked to somebody before. And I'm like, dude, watch the bills go out here and lose this game, dude. I'm like, they done came back on the Ravens, you know. They went and stumped the lights out of the Jets. I'm like, they are primed for a letdown. They're probably thinking that, you know, Miami go come in here.

Woe is me. Maybe, you know, they already had a, you know, a player's only meeting week one. So, you know, you're at home. It's a short week. And the whole time I'm thinking, dude. You thought they were going to sneak up on him? Dude, I thought they was going to sneak up on them, dude. I mean, when you look at it, I mean, barely, they, I mean, they can't.

through you know it was 31 21 they came through they won the game but as soon as the first quarter started dude miami goes down there they score on what 10 plays took up almost six almost seven minutes off the clock and went in for seven made it look easy i mean it was a short field it was only like 50 yards it's that's the way you start the game off you know what i'm saying special teams popped off with a great return they got it at the 50 i'll tell you one thing A-chan was balling. You know what I'm saying? Just getting the ball in his hands.

I don't think Tua did anything too impressive in the first drive. He just getting the ball. He didn't throw the ball over five yards. Completed the third and four of Tyree Kill getting him involved. But I think A-chan and what's my other man? A-chan and Gordon, number 31, the rookie running back, thunder and lightning. Them dudes, A-chan's the more speed guy, you know what I'm saying, dumping it to him. He was doing a run game and catching out the backfield.

And then Gordon being able to power it in, you know what I'm saying? So that first drive, it looked really impressive, but the same thing I was saying, too, Tua didn't have to do too much, you know what I'm saying, getting it to the hands of this, you know what I'm saying, athletes. He got some, he got some playmakers like Tyreek Hill was out there hooping. Very shout out of Tariq. For sure, for sure. Then you come back and the bills get the ball and what is it, 85, 90 yards they go, 10 plays,

and they score. Brother, brother, brother. Ain't nobody coming to play defense this week. Like, what's going on? It was, it was James Cook. It was James Cook. Oh, no question. Did you see?

Every time he touched the ball, it was for the first time. It was 10. It was 10. It was double-ditch. It was first down. He was just talking through there, running the ball with patience, you know what I'm saying? With burst, you know what I'm saying? That, it looked good.

So him and then Josh Allen with the little fake bubble screen, you know what I'm saying? And then drop the dime to the tight end, put it in ball placement was on the money. So like those first two drives, both teams go down and score. I'm thinking for sure it's going to be a high-scoring game. It looked good. No question. Then the, well, I think the next thing was basically Buffalo getting down there and, you know, I think they missed a field goal or something, dude. Like, it was like, how do you shake it so hard?

They score on their first two possessions and then they drove it down on the third. Right. They did. They scored the very next one because they was walking the drain down. Yeah. And that was when Tua got it. He was falling out of snaps, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they shorted.

I think they had a penalty. Actually, they were still driving now, I think, about the second drive, they were still driving. And they had penalties that slowed them down and they weren't able to convert. And then they went on down there, scored on them again. And it was 1470. So, you know, I'm thinking, uh, it's still a chance because they were able to drive down. They let, you know, some penalties, you know, slow them down. And the good thing was, too, in the first half, that Miami did a good job of converting on first down.

So that second, the next drive, when they ended up scoring before halftime, Tyree Killed, they converted four first down, four third down conversions. Two will use his feet on one and three to Tyree Kiel, a third in 12, like a third in seven, and a third in five. He converted all three of those to get down there, and they ended up scoring before half with Waddle caught that slant, you know what I'm saying, getting in the end zone. So they got the ball with four minutes. That was an amazing four-minute drill to.

Well, you know, that was from the Miss Field goal. The Miss Field goal, they were able to go ahead. They was able to get down there. Again, a short field and able to get down there and go ahead and get seven now. They tied up at halftime, so, you know, they're in a fight. You know, right now, you don't gave, you know, you gave Miami some hope, you know. And they're like, you know, we could go out here and do this. I think it was a tail of the two halves because the first half, it was seven, it was 14, 14.

And then on the second half, defense third quarter wasn't too much action. Well, Josh Island and came off the rip first drive in the third quarter. So that put it to 21-14, but not too much more action was going on in the third. A lot of punts, you know what I'm saying? But it was that fourth quarter that really was the tail of the game. A defense to play in the third. That fourth quarter, man, when they got to stop, you know what I'm saying? Two in them went down, they scored.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's tied up 21-21-9. 21. And then they get a stop. The tide of the game could be changing. And they go for the punt, and my man runs into the punter, which changes the whole trajectory at a game. You know what I'm saying?

Then they go down there and score. So puts the game to 28 to 21. And I think that was just, those are the mistakes that you cannot make if you want to beat. You know what I'm saying? The Buffalo bills, you can't beat yourself. They were in the fight.

They were getting them to punt. They were forced them to punt. They didn't drive down there and score on them. So now it was 21, 21. We get in the ball. You know what I'm saying? They were doing a good job converting. They made the fourth down,

fourth and four, got down there and scored. So when you're playing the bills, though, those are the mistakes that you can't make. Yeah, for sure. So my, I mean, I think they still had a chance until, you know, you got to that last, you know, that last interception right there. I think it was maybe three minutes or so left, whatever it was. And, you know, you're going in to, you know, possibly get seven.

And then, you know, you had an interception. And that, you know, to me, that basically sealed the deal. That definitely sealed. Yeah, that killed everything that was. going, man. You know, the best, I think the biggest thing that they did is they showed that they wasn't dead, dude. Like, yeah, we, yeah, we had a, we had a players only meeting week one, but, you know, that was to get to where we are now. And I mean, they didn't come away with the win, but the mindset, the way they play, you know, except for, you know, certain parts

of it, um, the biggest thing is Buffalo, they, they made the plays when they counted. The defense made the stops and the offense made the scores. And, you know, or a pick, whatever it may be. They kept the game closest as long as they could, but, you know, the second half came. And I think what helped them keep it close to was Buffalo. I mean, they had some drop passes, you know, they had some penalties that that were, you know, stalling them in that second half. So that helped, you know, Miami be able to keep it close. Yeah.

And, of course, the roughing the kicker and the late interception, that was just. You can't. You crushed them. They kept it close, man. It was a really, really good game. You know what I'm saying? There's going to be good plays. It's going to be bad plays.

There's going to be penalties here and there. Keeping it 14 to 14 going to the halftime was all good. Like you said, the roughing the punter, that started the whole thing. But for real, when you finish the game off with that pick, they're driving down. You're making plays. You're getting the ball. Actually, you're hitting wild on some five in outs. You're converting on third downs.

that was just a basic smash concept running back fast to the flat is three on three over there he looked directly where he was going and that brought my man shepherd right straight through soon as he looked over there he ran and then it's three on three on three through the ball right to him so you kind of that's just mistakes that you can't make you got to look look it off you know where you're going right over there as soon as you brought your eyes over there defense is tall and zone we're moving where the quarterback's eyes are going yes he didn't look you off to Right. If he had looked him off on that and then turned straight to it and got it to it, he wouldn't have been that close. He wouldn't have not been that close.

Him looking instantly, as soon as he got the ball from the snap, bringing his eyes there, oh, he broke on it like a riot, like he's instantly, you know what I'm saying? So just those mistakes that you cannot make there. And I'm not, this is here for a tour of bashing, but he didn't throw the ball well deep at all. All of their completions were behind the line of scrimmage. He was getting at the A-chain. He was getting it in the Tyree kill. I mean, except for those three big third downs, yeah.

But no, those were those, those were the one where he scrambled away. That was about a 12-yard pass. That was maybe when the one with Tyree Kill got, he passed it seven yards. Tyree Kill went back, dipped down and got missing on people, you know what I'm saying? Made, yeah, cars have to catch. Straight air yards. I see what you're saying, yeah. A lot of this stuff was just underneath dips and dunks.

And then when we needed to make plays, I mean, he would kind of, kind of turned it over, or was fumbling with the snaps on third down. Just little things that we can't have when we're not, I'm not asking you to win the game for us, but I'm actually to just do a little more simple things. Just keep the turnovers down. Don't put us in positions to lose because at the end of the day, you're not doing too much.

You're getting into players' hands, but the ball being thrown down the field, it's not that. It's a difference between, it's a difference between hurting me and not helping me. A thousand percent. Yeah, yeah. You're hurting me if you're turning the ball over.

you know, if you're not scoring, yeah, you're not helping me, but you're not hurting me. You know, you're giving me an opportunity to go back out there and, you know, do what it is that we can do to try and keep it close. But, you know, picks, you're hurting me there. And that's taking points off the board that, you know, that could have put us in a position that, you know, we're looking at possibly going down there the next, you know, next drive and seeing if we can't get an onside kick or something and see if we come through with it. But that opportunity was just, you know, snatched away in the last, you know, in the last few minutes of the game along. Like I said, the two critical mistakes, though.

Yeah, those two big ones, man, they're roughing the punter and that pick. That's not, that's not winning football. And Josh Allen, he's not turning the ball over. They did it, like, on the first half, they only had three possessions in the whole first half of the game. You know what I'm saying? So the dolphins were holding the ball,

keeping the ball away from them. seven minutes another one was close to six and some change you know they were they were holding on to the ball i mean at the end of the game though it was still almost even you know close to 30 30 for sure for sure for sure but three possessions in the first half is good and then they they scored on two of them you know what i'm saying so i i think they they're they're moving in the right direction but you just can't turn the ball over and make critical mistakes if you're trying to win the game you stayed in it you did good but it's not a bashing they like you said they fought they look like you they didn't give up on them, they didn't give up, you know what I'm saying?

Like that wasn't, that didn't look like a team that didn't want to go out there and try to win that football game. You think they take some type of moral victory out of this, even though they didn't win. You know what it is. There's no moral victories in it. You know, once you lose, you lose. All of that stuff is going to be the same. You took an L on your, on the win law sheet.

I would hope just, you could take the good for what it is, but at the end of the day, I'm not a fan of the moral. You lost, you know what I'm saying. Yes. But you still. Exactly what I did wrong. so that we can correct that next time and make sure we come out with that win.

That moral victory stuff, I ain't never been on it. I think you lost, man. Oh, yeah, you lost. It's no if-ans or buts about it. So I guess before the game, they had some report surface about players, you know, being late fametes and having disciplinary issues.

According to ESPN, tardiness was an issue through last season. One current Dolphin player said he believed some captains that this past season took advantage of the role. They said Ramsey, wide receiver, Tyreek Hill, were two of the eight voted captain in 2024. They were among repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the seasons. Throughout the season. What do you think of, you know, players like repeatedly being late, you know, they said players were often late to practice meetings

with multiple teams sources suggesting it's reflecting the lack of respect for McDames who was hesitant to publicly, I guess, discipline these guys for outside of posting fines. Well, let's keep this real, though, Debo. Well, you know, we've been both apart. We've been in the league a long time. And, you know what I'm saying?

I know you've been a part of the Steelers. I was a part of the Steelers and the Browns. and let me just ask you just open how do you feel about this about players being late to meetings because I know I'm going to be real in our show Debo that's what we talked about earlier

like real conversations real things that go on so I know what do you feel about tardiness of players and how do you think this is what do you think so so my thing on it is you should never be late

it's nothing that can go on that that should make you late because you should be leaving with enough time to get there and all that other stuff now i understand where you get certain players get different privileges okay i understand that because with time you know like like butts uh would say he says the three t's if over time you tell me the truth i learn to trust you so as i build a relationship

with that player and i know you know what their demeanor is and and how they actually operate. If he comes late one time or something happens and you're late, okay, I can scrub that. But, you know, if you come late again, you can't scrub that, you know what I'm saying? And it's a reason that we have the, what they call it, the code of conduct is called conduct detrimental, okay? So it's what is they call progressive discipline, right? So a team has the option of finding you on your first offense, okay?

And they can find you up to a max of, like, I think it's 40% or whatever that max fine is. The second time is 70% and the third time it's 100% of that max fine. Okay. Now, that max fine, that max fine can be a week's salary all the way up to and include, including suspension without pay for four weeks. So when you get guys that are just repeated fenders, the only way you can get any kind of control is to actually go to the further spectrum of it that you can because everybody cares about their money.

You're telling me I got four weeks of playing and not getting paid. that's that's not that's not something somebody is going to for or do if they know that you know what after my second third time after my third time this is what's going to happen now when you get coaches that are like okay I'm going to find you and they find you 2,500 and they find you 3,000 and they find you 5,000 and you never get to that find of what they call that real money then it's not going to stop

them you know what I'm saying like especially if you got a player that's you know you're making half a million dollars a week or whatever you you don't even notice that you're just thinking some extra taxes came out you know what I'm saying so unless the coach makes it a point to do that like I don't know what happens in New England if you're late like I when when Bill was there like I don't know what happens I honestly they had me so scared I was just I seen time I'm sitting in my locker like this dude And I kind of catch a glimpse of somebody running in his time. He ran into the meeting.

I'm like, oh, oh, shit, I'm about to be late. So I jump up and I start running in there, everybody in there. But the meeting don't start for like another, like five minutes, three, five minutes or something. So it's obviously something there happens that don't nobody want a piece of because nobody is late. Also something else they did was your phones. You can't have your phone in the meeting. It can't be in your pocket. It can't be nowhere, right?

So I don't know this. So I'm walking in, and as I'm walking in, I see like 40 phones just sitting on the floor. And I see another dude come past and pull his phone out of his pocket and throw it on the floor. I'm like, well, shit, I better throw my phone on the floor, too. You know, I'm not about to go and catch something. You know what I'm saying?

So I think when you have a coach that is a player's coach that's a good thing. But when you have a coach that's too much of a player's coach, that's a bad thing. Because now he's not going to go to that point of actually being that, you know,

that disciplinarian because he may want to keep a certain relationship with that player or not upset that player. Who knows, you know, what it may be. I would say, we can go with this Tudobo.

Mostly we're talking about star players here because if you're not a good player and you're coming up late, you're not going to be there wrong. You know what I'm saying? So I think that most of the time, you say everybody gets treated fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same. Right. The vets, they got to show the respect and know vets, they get treated a certain way and you can respect that or you could try to get away with stuff because you know you're going to be able to get away with stuff and your team can look at it a certain way and just showing up late.

That's just not the way that good vets are supposed to move. You know what I'm saying? Take advantage of their privilege. You know what I'm saying? Like when I was in Cleveland, there was really no, there was really no too much hierarchy. You know what I'm saying? You learn to get respect from somebody like you said. You learn trust in time and that you can, that's how you develop it.

Like in time, you have to show me that you're going to be on time. You got to show me that you're going to like be in the place you're supposed to be. And then I'll trust you, you know what I'm saying, that be able to give you some agency, know that you have to develop. You're going to be on time all the time. And I know this is just, this is the way that you are. Right. So if something happens, then I mean, this is this is, oh man, this is.

isn't, Joe. Something, a matter of fact, might have happened with his family. Let's make sure he's okay. You know what I'm saying? Not just, no, he just doesn't show up to these meetings because it might be a Friday night. He goes out on Thursdays. He shows up late to the special teams meeting. Like, that's just not a way. You know what I'm saying? You wanted to. Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this

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So when I'm reading into this, it's more like they're talking about good players trying to take advantage of knowing the coach is not going to be as hard on them. Do you know what I'm saying? And I don't think. Well, well, it's also, like you said, it's the coach, you know. Yeah, no, no, for sure, for sure. That doesn't, you know, do what is necessary. You know what I'm saying?

I guess they said a player-driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniels. His style, as one current player described it, is laid back without being hands-off. Former Dolphins player who played for McDaniels said coach was always open and vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft. very much think that is misconstrued as being soft because you're in a game where it is a bunch of really aggressive alpha-type males in any form, especially if I don't have a strong or I don't built, I ain't built a relationship with you, Joe. And, you know, I go and I tell you something that you see a different side of me and you're like,

yo he's maybe he a little soft you know what I'm saying like it that's a real thing but yeah with you knowing me and me discussing something with you on on a on a more of a personal level it's like okay he must really be going through something because I know this is not what he does and do he respects me enough to be like man as a man he's going to come to me and tell me something you know what I'm saying that he don't really talk about too much so when you're a person that's just open and vulnerable to everyone yeah I'm like for me that that that was seemed soft. Like, and I can see how, you know, like, like my mom told me when I was a kid, dude, she was like, they go take kindness for weakness. So that's why I was always kind of

standoff as me, mugging. I had, you know, I got, I got resting what they call, you know, for a face, but that's, that's just me because that's what I was taught. They take kindness for weakness, you know, so don't run around here being happy and jolly and goo-goo laughing. They're looking at somebody they think they can get over on and you know that's just how i was you know that's how i was brought up what do you think i think that i feel this i know exactly what you're saying um i think with with this situation i think that it's just so we're talking about with jalen and and mike mcdaniel yeah yeah with mcdaniels in his situation of being you know they're saying he is being misconstrued as being soft him not being as uh disciplined and

and strict with his enforcement, you know, of not, you know, when you're late. No, no, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure. I think that they can't get that misconstrued. You know, like you said, it's a bunch of grown men in the thing. And when you have a head coach that's kind of letting certain people get away with things and not holding them accountable, that could really just show a lack of discipline. It shows envy and jealousy to other guys, too, though. A thousand percent.

And then, well, it starts that with other guys. And then, you know, on top of that, Some guys like, yo, well, if he's letting him do that, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to, like, if he don't do it. I'll give you a proper example, Debo. I'll speak it to when I really came. When I came to the Pittsburgh Steelers, I've never not stayed in the hotel at a home game.

That's something that everybody, don't matter what, Phil Dawson, you're 15 years in. You better check into the hotel. You're going to have your meetings there at the home game and a little late meetings, do your dinner and then bed check. You know what I'm saying, at the home games. When I came to Pittsburgh, the OGs, veterans, Pouss, you know what I'm saying? After the home meeting, they was like, oh, yeah, I bet, we're going home. They're going home.

They have a family. They like, Joe, what are you about to? I'm like, man, I don't know. Because they don't tell you if you're a vet, you can stay. But that's just the way. That's an unknown, unwritten rule. You got to be a vet. You're OG.

You can go stay at the crib. Do you know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, he's like, where are you going to go? I said, I'm going to go home. The trust of Pouncy, you got grown men. They're not going to go out to the club before the game. When we wake up early in the morning, I'm trying to go home, pick up my family, go get everybody right, and then come back to the stadium. It's like, why am I making this extra step when you trust me as a man?

I'm not going out. I'm not going to go get seen. I'm trying to go take care of my body. Go get my family, sleep my own bed, and then head to the game. You know what I'm saying? Then when you see the young dudes, like, no, I'm probably going to go. I'm still in my career. No, you can't.

You know what I'm saying? You're not a vet. Then you mess around and be out. You know what I'm saying? And that's just a whole different situation. The trust of them knowing Joe, where you're at? And then they were caught, yo, I'm at the crib. I'll, I bet.

See you tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's something that people could take advantage of. You could. As if I wanted to, I could go out to the club. I could have went out, did something crazy. And, but that's not professional. That's not what professionals do.

My job is to get ready for the game. And Coach T, as a man was letting me go home and take that step out of waking up super early, having to go to my crib, getting my body worked on, get my family, bring them to the game, and then work that whole situation. He's like, no, Joe, you have a process. You're going, where you going? To my family, see you tomorrow. You know what I'm saying?

So that just was the respect factor and, like, other teams, they don't care. Phil Dawson was a grown man. He's not going to go out. But no matter what, the Browns is like, I don't care. You play for the Browns. You're staying in this hotel with the team, period. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just, I don't care what you're going to do.

I ain't go lie. I like that. I like, I like, you're staying in the team with the, you're staying in the team with the, you're staying in the hotel with the team. I you're here to get a job done everything else outside of that should be not even a part of what we got going on I understand you got a family at home you got to do this you got to do that you got to have wifey have everything set up ready and go and so when you get there everything is coordinated so that you can boom bam bam because I think when you get into situations like that like you said you're going to go home and lay and stay there but who says that the vet that's you know Joe blow didn't decide the one time that he thought he had a soft game, let me run down here

with the boys real quick and be here or there. Now, whether word gets back or not, he gets, you know, he gets that privilege and it's not like he's not going to tell somebody. You know what I'm saying? So now the other guys just phoment at them out of waiting for their opportunity and chance to be a vet to do the same thing. So like situations like that, I'm like, nah. Like when I play for Cowher, I don't care. It didn't matter. But Jerome Bettis stayed in the Hall of Famer. He stayed in the hotel. No. I'm not going home.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that that's the bad thing either. I'm not saying it's a bad thing either. I'm just saying that it's a, I respect it. And especially if you want to be, that's the thing of taking advantage of your vetness. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you do have things that you can do, don't disrespect. But I think, I think also it puts. It puts guys in a position, especially if you're a vet, where you know what, that night at the hotel before the game, I ain't got to worry about nothing at home. I ain't got to try and get you have the option.

This is where it causes, I think it causes issues for the players and the family is you don't have to stay there. Why say you ain't got to stay there? Why are you staying there? He don't want to say, I don't want to deal with this. It's a restful night. I don't want to get ready for the gang. So now all of a sudden, maybe he got to go.

go home when he ain't want to. See, but how is old? Because old ladies, you're talking about what old lady's talking. Well, my Joe at the crib, why? Right. At the crib. Right. Oh, no, that's crazy.

I feel you, though. It could, yeah. It just opens up another window. I'm just saying, I'm not knocking it. I feel where you're coming from because it gets to have other people just looking, trying to get to where they're going, why they're getting to do other stuff. But that's why I say you're treating people fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same. I could see the same way of nobody can't go.

You know what I'm saying? But then there's reasons why I would see why they could go. You know what I'm saying? They're going to go to the crib, like even if they're legitimately going to go. Because these dudes do have stuff going on. Or you don't have to go. It's just an option that I just thought was dope that if you're on a team that you can respect it best. Because that's just that's the relationship part where you can take advantage of it or you don't.

No, for sure, for sure. Speaking of responsibilities, a former Raiders head coach, Antonio Pierce, said his foolishness to believe that Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team. He said, this is unprecedented, what we're seeing. I think I would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you. Because you're not dealing with just a normal person. Tom Brady is the elite of elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in the game. It's not hard for him to watch a few.

things on Friday or hear things in a production meeting and be like, hmm, have tidbits, you'd be foolish. He said, and you'd be foolish enough to think that he's not going to share with the Raiders because we had those conversations about certain things. My thing is this, I don't, I don't understand how, like they're saying, oh, well, he can't go to the production meetings, he can't, but you allow him to still interview them and talk to them. He's going to get the same thing with just, he's going to get the same thing with just,

just can't go to the to the facility to do it you know he can't he can't be at you know at the hotel to do it like yeah but he still just interviewed him he can interview them off campus i mean off off site in person or he could talk to him and interview him that way you're still getting the information and for them to think that like you got a whole crew like it's fox these that's what these guys do even if he's not there he didn't go to the practice these guys that's all they do is football. They're going to talk football. Even with him just sitting there with them, he's going to get things and he's going to be privileged to him. Like, when it comes down to him him being in the actual booth on the headset, that is crazy. So now I'm just playing devil's

advocate. He didn't tell a coach, he didn't say nothing to a coach, but he on the headset who actually is in communication with either the coach or a player. Who is he talking to? I don't know who he talks. Jerry Jones don't even get in the coach's box and put the headset on. But Tom, a minority owner, is in the box with a headset on at the coach's box. Who is he talking to? Like, what is he saying? Like, I don't, this is going to get, like, real. I think this is going to get messier before it gets cleared up if they don't figure out something. Because the next time this comes around, I don't, I don't know how they can not let whoever it may be do it, you know, What is your, even like, if it's me, you know what I'm saying?

Like me being James Harrison, and I got that, you know, position. I got, I got, I got, I got 375, you know, from Fox, and then I'm a minority owner of the team. I'm not going to do it because they go bust my ass, you know what I'm saying? But if I'm Tom Brady, I'm Tom Brady. They love me. They fought for me to do this. Yeah, I might do it. I probably would do it.

What they go do, go and find out that I did it and then have to tell that. What we said he wasn't going to do, he did. So if, you know, if I'm Tom, I might go ahead and do it. Where are you at with? Man, Tom's showing us what he's going to do. Tom Brady, go ahead and doing it. Like you said, they want him in here. They're trying to bend the rules for him to be in there.

I don't. Not trying. They did. They did it. He's in there. Now he's in the booth on the headset. Like you said, who is he talking to? I don't know.

The quarterback, the coach, I don't know who he's talking to. And Joe's got his hand in everything And he don't even do that With the production meetings and stuff And him not being able to be there Not being able to be present So they're going to have production meetings Also with his team

Before they get on the show Just to talk, just to vibe Just to figure out what did he? But he gets to introduce He still gets to talk to them He's just not allowed to do it on site Not there on site No

So he could have them come to another site Or he could meet them at another site And talk to him Or he could still like I guess phone or Zoom Whatever it may be and talk to him He just can't be there. You're still getting the information. James, I'm saying the same thing

you're saying, brother. I'm saying the same thing you're saying. I don't think that I think Tom Brady's getting himself in a situation. Well, like you said, they want him to be there. He's already there. I don't think that as if I was in that position too, I mean, he has two

jobs. It's the owner of the team as minority owner of the Raiders and it's the CBS job where he's making, what is it, like 50. He got three. He got three he got 375 for 10 so about 375 a year he's going to have to in my I would have you got to give up one because no matter what if you stay doing the meetings however you're doing those meetings not being there you're still being able to interview the people there's going to be questions and I don't know if he cares about if he doesn't care about the questions and he's just going to go ahead and keep going through it Tom Brady shoot for but just know being in those production not being in those production meetings but still working for them having two jobs at the same time, an owner and just having conflict of interest is going to be a question that people are going to ask. If you're not doing it, it just looks still crazy.

So the questions that people are going to ask you aren't going to go anywhere if you're continuing to work for two like spots. You know what I'm saying? It's just two. It's not even too. It's opposites. You actually getting, that'd be like you being able to go and interview everybody and then go play a game against these boys and you're getting all the little nooks and crannies and you get to ask all the questions and they thinking hey it's you know it's it's joe he ain't you know he it's well with it being time you know it's like it's time you know I'm telling you know whatever you know blah blah blah especially young guys they don't know no better you know what I feel you brother I don't think it's I don't think it's going to be

it's not going over the questions aren't going to where we're going to see like what the access looks like and it's it's happening yeah for sure and and what we were talking about the other day with the Eagles. They're going to take a close look at this tish push now. They said the league officially is trying to make sure it doesn't happen again. They said it was a false start that should have been called. So the league training video for officials, which gets shared with coaches and general managers included showing the Eagles false start and an instruction that the officials ensure

the offense isn't getting away with penalties on a tush push. these dudes is lining up in the neutral zone they're taking off first they're doing everything yes they need to go ahead and put their eyes on that thing slow it down you want to slow down anytime you got somebody getting hit and the defender barely graces his helmet with the top of their thing and the first thing to announce is to say yep that's that that was helmet to helmet yeah yes it's time for the offense to get the same thing and slow it down for y'all like I don't I'm a final issue with it? I'm a thousand percent fine with this. It's just because it's just like, and you know what happens too? When the league does stuff like this and makes sense out the videos and set out the films is going to get addressed. You know what I'm saying?

So they're going to make sure. They're going to have to line up the correct way. They're going to have to snap the ball. The center is going to have to be the first person to move the ball so everybody fires off on the same time. I'm not against the touch push at all. I'm just against people lining up off sides when I'm starting it. You know what I'm saying? Not

legal. You know what I'm saying? If it's not legal If you line up legally, everybody's head is behind the ball and the ball is snapped and y'all end up pushing people through because you can still push now. You know what I'm saying? So you can still get behind. I thought you wasn't allowed to push at one point. They said you weren't until 2005.

They made a rule that because they said the referees weren't able to tell or they couldn't, it was hard to make the call. So they just got rid of it in 2005. So now you're able to push people in the back. You know what I'm saying? So now since until they get rid of that rule, just take that out. You can tell somebody's push them.

somebody or pulling somebody forward. Like, I don't think that that call is that hard. So if they can add that. I don't know. I agree with him. Like, you don't know if he's pushing or if he's trying to push somebody else that's on the side of him or something like that. I understand that. Man, you know, all this damn slow motion, you can't tell

somebody pushing somebody. Well, hey, hey, hey, yeah. Hell, no. They don't want to slow that down. That might be, that's different between, you know, no points and six points. So blow the whistle faster. Once a month is standing up. Blow the whistle. Stop laying on that little swaying and pushing and pulling.

That's what get people hurt. Running up on the pile, they stand up in the offensive line and just running there and throw themselves in there. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, stop it. Blow the whistle, ref.

He stood up. You know what I'm saying? I think something else they need to pay attention to is making sure the center is not off-size. Like, he got this thing so deep under him. Like, his head is over the ball. Like, and if it's slow, and if it's slow, and they're looking at the play and they see him

with his head over the flag. Flag. Off-rid. Off-rid. What are we talking about? The percentage of the tish push, I believe, will drop significantly this year after they've made a conscious effort to actually point it out. I ain't going to lie, Debo. I don't think it's going to change.

I think they're going to still just line. I think they might line them up because they, I don't think they do it every single time that they just fire off before. I saw two times they did it the last time. The one time wasn't that obvious, but that second time was... The second time was lately. It looked like the center was trying to watch when they took off and then snapped it. Like, I don't... You can't see that.

You can't tell. It's so fast. They're slowing it down. Stop, bro. I don't even need to slow that down. I saw that. I saw that in Pittsburgh. I saw that in real time.

No question. Like, it's no way. It's no way, dude. Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that, and that's the goal. We want to win a championship.

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this way more strict. It's going to be like when they started doing the so-called player safety. And, boy, they was calling everything. It was the hit too hard flag after that. That's it. That's what it turned into to hit too hard flag. You hit them too hard. Did he get up?

Nope. Flag. Nope. Is he rolling around? Yep. Flag. Flag. Get him up out of here.

Get him up out of here. Get him up out of here, man. You go. Tell me, that's what they was doing. Oh, man. Oh, the Eagles went. So the Eagles are dialed 2 and O, but their offense is less than impresses, buddy. Yeah.

Jalen says they ranked 29th in total offense, 31st in the past. hasn't. Jalen Hurts six, not even six, five point six yards per attempt. It's 24th. Who, Hertz said he takes a lot of accountability for a lot of it and just how we go out there because that's my job. My job is to go out there and be the general orchestra, everything, generally orchestrate everything and ultimately make plays. What, um, do you think he's playing well or do you think he's just playing well because everything else around him is good enough to let him play the way he's been playing and come away with the wins i think he's playing good enough to win i think he's playing winning enough football they have a great team that's the

good part the thing that i realize about them is the eagles are a solid team they got special teams they got defense they got running game they have they have they have the they have the they have weapons. You know what I'm saying? So he's not asked to do as much as other other quarterbacks to ask to do. So wanting his numbers to be crazy or one of his numbers to be ridiculous, I think he's going to start getting it to the groove. Right now, I'm not saying he's playing in any type of crazy way. But like we said before, it's so much easier to go and study the film and see what you did wrong from a win than a loss. And it's still only the second week of the season, the two and no, not own two. So it's not like there, nothing like everything's falling apart.

they still he still can't improve in his passes obviously they only had two passes over 15 yards this whole since the season started so definitely just being able to get get some more give some more give some more deep passes down the field I mean um it's not it's nothing to panic about but still at the same time he's never going to give you 400 500 yards passing he's going to always just make sure that the team is on they stay above the chains handing off to sayquan making sure he converts and uses his legs and when they get to you. tight using that touch push you know what I'm saying so he's never really asked to do extremely too much but when he is asked to do something like when it gets to the playoffs right now this is the

regular season the beginning of the season we know what jalen hurts is capable of we know what their team has done before so I'm not going to always like say oh no jeline your numbers aren't crazy you're two and oh you're figuring it out it's the beginning of the season I trust in you I know you're watching tape I know you're doing the thing that need to be done for you to continue to get better throughout the season and hopefully try to get to the Super Bowl and win another one Like, his goals are longer than just, oh, how am I looking the first two games this season? He's not tripping. Like, he's been there before.

People talk crap about him all the time. So I know he wants to do better. He knows that it isn't good enough. And he's probably the hardest critic on itself, too. He wants to be great. He understands that he has a great team. And continuing to win is the main thing. If they were losing and he was playing bad, it would be a whole different situation.

Oh, it's always a whole different situation. You know, but that's the same. But that's why I'm saying, him still being able to do this with a win and still continue to try to get better. knows this isn't top jail hurts he's not playing at a uh uh MVP level right now and i think he knows that but continuing to win it's a lot easier to work on what you're not doing so well when you're winning games i think i think right now he like you said he's doing what's necessary for them to win not hurting them it may not be helping them all the time but he's not hurting them um that's that's a big thing i mean i think if you go back and you look at like i believe it was

like the ravens when they had um was it dofer or something Who was it the quarterback that Ravis ended up winning at Super Bowl with? And the offense was like not really that great, but the quarterback, he was just doing what was necessary. He wasn't really helping as much, but he wasn't hurting them and giving the defense, you know, the opportunities to go out there and basically close out a lot of the games. I think this is a little different situation, but kind of the same where, you know, he's not asked to do a lot. You've got the offense right now. They're doing great with the running game. You know, you got, say, Kuan, he's doing, he's doing a tremendous job.

The offensive line is doing a tremendous job. So, you know, he's not called, like you said, to have to sit back there and go, you know, 30, 40 passes a game. But, you know, when they get to that situation, or if they ever do get to that situation, I should say, where the run is being stopped, you know, defense is playing stout, do you think he can come in there from what you've seen, you know, just these last few weeks? and, you know, win it with his arm? From this last few weeks, no, but I seen him do it before. And I believe that, I mean, I've seen him though. I think him, DeVonte, A.J. Brown, still hasn't been getting the ball as much. He does have capable receivers.

So I think we do, the run game is doing well, just opening up, taking the shots, being able to throw some more, giving more opportunities. He's not really even throwing those deep passes, you know what I'm saying, to become incomplete. So I think just opening it up, giving them a chance, giving them a shot down the field. And I think it'll work out I would believe in Jalen Hertz I know he's working his ass off And he's a solid player

And they got good players around him And he's just working hard So I think he's going He has nothing but Nothing but good is going to happen For Jalen, bro In my opinion Yeah I think

I mean as long as things keep going well With you know Like you said The defense and the special teams Then I think things will work themselves out So, listen, man, I went to the gym, right? Oh, let's go to the gym. You're always in the gym, right?

So I went in there and I'm working out, right? And I'm looking at this dude, and he got like this cup. And I see the cup and you know what? I got to go get mine. I'm going to show you. Go ahead. Talk to the people, guys. I'll be back.

See, Dibba, wild man. He's about to go get a cup. But who was I talking about? Devontey Smith, Jalen Hertz, hooped, bills. But look, at the end of the day, the MVP of that game, James Cook. Every tote was almost for a first down. With Josh Allen, with James Cook there, it's taking so much pressure. Josh Allen going to do what Josh Allen going to do.

He's going to scramble. He's going to make passes. He's going to make plays. But with James Cook there, running like looking so sweet looking like the MVP 10 carries a tote that's my MVP

of the game James Cook and the boy had like 7 for 71 at one point bro bro every tote was first down every tot I couldn't find it anyway

oh you know stepped off and didn't come back with nothing I couldn't even find it so it's like a mug a little mug cup and I see a dude and he got one and I'm working out

and I saw him I saw it would have said, right? So I had to tell him. I said, I don't know if you notice or not, but one of us being lied to, you know what I'm saying? And he was like, huh? I was like, I got that same cup. And they said, the greatest dad ever.

So I got to go talk to my kids after they get out of school and see what was going on. Was they lying to me or is that dude the greatest dad ever, you know what I'm saying? I was trying to figure that out was kind of messing with me. That's all. Yeah, no, they got to see, look, they, See, there's a whole contemplation going on because I got that same mug.

You do, too? Oh, I'm trying to figure out. Who gave that to you? Man, my Joey and my Jetty. My young boys told me I'm the greatest dad. I don't know somebody. Anybody else got something out there? Like that?

I thought it was just me. Damn, but I was special. No, no, no. I wouldn't. You're the greatest dad in your household. In my household, that's what it is. In the Harrison house? You that man.

Oh, man. For sure, for sure. Now, listen, what we got here is a failure to communicate on... That's not it. Anyway. What you're talking about you? Nothing. I was talking to myself.

I was looking at something. See, I'd be losing you sometimes. Yeah, it wasn't something that I was... Anyway. pop off what's the next thing we got we got superchats

we got superchats I don't see it if we got it I don't see it okay I got super chat Joe go super chat

Nat said James just want to say your jersey was the first one I ever bought love the show very much love you both

let's go let's go good man then we got doctor L. Frankie and L. Bellamy said, keep going, guys, over 24K subscribers, and it's growing every day.

24. We are 24 now? Yeah, 24K, Debo. It's got to be 25 by now. We got to get a G ball real quick. You got to at least get a quarter. At least get a beat. You ain't got no more? Man, I got two right there right now, Debo.

Listen. Uh-uh. No, sir. But you know what, though? You know what? So since, what, what, what? What was your highlights of the game? I already told you who my, who my favorite player was, James Cook.

Who was yours? D. I'm thinking. Oh. Yeah, I got to... You could probably go the same as me if you need to. No, no, I got to... Well, yeah, I could, but, you know,

Josh Allen was doing this thing, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, doing the little flip passes and all that other stuff. So I got to, I kind of, I got to give it to him, you know what I'm saying? Even though I ain't want to give it to him, you know, I feel like they kind of stole the MVP from my guy Lamar last year. But anyway, I'll give it to him. I'm going to give it to Josh.

Oh, Lord. James, we got another one. What we got? Oh, Lord. See, I don't know if I'm ready for this one. You got, we got to wait till I can't see it. Chris said, today is apparently National Talk Like a Pirate Day.

We want James to do another weird voice at the end of the show. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I wouldn't prepare for that one, buddy. I'll see what I can come up with, baby. Man, I know you got a nice. then you guys.

I ain't going to lie to you. I didn't know that. I didn't know that about you, brother. That was definitely not on my... Listen, man. I'm a... I'm a trained. I'm a trained actor.

Trained a little bit trained, but not... I'm a trained actor. I got my sad card and all that good stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, I do what I do. You don't got no sad card. You got a sad card? I do.

Yeah. Oh. That is. Okay, Debo. You talk. Listen, man. Hills. You don't see hills?

Heels? H-E-E-L-S, heels. I believe it's on Netflix. Okay, look at season one. Season one, I'm in that. I play a character called Apocalypse. Yeah, bro, I'm a triangle. I was a series regular.

What? Yeah, season one, though. I wasn't in season two, you know. Did you die off? No, I wouldn't take the shot. Ah. Oh, you, what you were doing, it was doing, it was doing, it was doing COVID? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I did in Atlanta. Okay. And set lockdown, dude, hold, we had a whole gym with a wrestling ring and, you know, weight equipment and all that because, you know, you couldn't go nowhere. You couldn't do nothing. So we did all our training in there with each other and all that. So, you know, trying to make you wear, make you wear masks and stuff, you know, all that, like. Debo, I am a six.

You a man of many hats, bro. No question. Don't check it out, though. You go watch that show. I'm going to watch heels, man. Hey, you watch the show. You watch the show. You've been watching.

We're going to talk about it next week. We talk about it on money. I'm going to have whatever. I'm going to have some. I'm telling you I'm decent in that thing, too. No, for sure. You go look at that and you're going to be like, damn, I ain't know Debo had that in him. Yeah, for sure.

I'm a movie critique for real. Okay. I'm a movie critic. Okay. Yeah, so I'm going to need your critique. I'd be critiquing people's stuff. Okay. So I'll let you know if it's good or not.

Man, listen, man, you let me know if it's good. I'm going to tell you right now, man. Yeah, bro, you know. Even if it's not good, I'll tell you it's good. Listen, man, I'm telling you, it's good. No, I want the truth. Oh, I'm messing with you, brother. I'm going to be honest opinion.

Hard core truth. Nothing but the truth. Always, Deepo. Come on, man. My good man. Yeah, for sure. I mean, where are you at? Virginia. I'm in Virginia, brother.

Yeah, bro. That's so far away from Pittsburgh. You should feel safe giving me an, you know, an honest thing. You know what I'm saying? No, D. Bo, see, that's what I'm saying. I'm not giving you the Addy. I'm just going to tell you, I'm in Virginia. I don't know Virginia Beach or Tyson's, Norfolk.

Yeah, you got to have to search. for me, buddy, after I give you this review. Da, da, da, da, I'm going to cut find you, man. You're going to give me a hug after I give you this review. I'm trying to tell you, man, listen. I'm the coldest thing going. If they had ever really gave me a shot, you know what I'm saying? I'd easily be like

the next rock just a little better, you know? You wrestle? Yeah, I did my own stunts. I did all my own stunts. Everything you see on there is me. And so Hills Hills is a wrestling mood? Yeah, it's about like faces and heels so like they're using that throwoff so it's about a family two brothers

that are trying to get their small time wrestling thing big you know and the characters around it and all that so you got to watch it I don't know I'm going to watch it for show man because I you know I used to get my rape Mysterio Jr. on back in the day yeah you got Stephen Amill in it you got Alexander Ludwig you got Alan Maldonado um Chris uh Bowers you have Mary McCormick. Is it Crystal? You know what? I have trouble remembering.

Crystal Bernard, I believe. And it's a few other people in there, dude. But yeah, it's a good show, man. Good cast. Michael Malley, yeah, is a writer-director. You have, what's his name from, oh, oh, I am I throwing a blank on his name right now. Is it a movie producer or something? Yeah, yeah.

I'm not the one. I know Steven Spielberg. It was a superhero type thing. What's his name? Oh, man, what movie? Was it Loki? Loki? Yeah, I think it's Loki.

What's his name? I can see his face right now. Why am I throwing a blank? Anyway, that was like 2020, 2020, something like that. But why am I throwing a blank on this name right now? What's your favorite movie of all time, Debo? Life.

Eddie, Eddie Martin Lawrence. Great, great, great. Yes. Dog, listen, I still watch that. Oh. And catch little tips. bit bitch that I miss. And I don't watch it like probably like 150 times. You word for word, ball for borrowing it now.

Gotta be. Pete Siegel. That's his name. Pete Siegel. And Michael Waldron is the other. Yeah, that's who I'm thinking of. Michael Waldron is the Logie and Pete Segal is the director. Okay. Waldron is a writer. One of the writers, I believe.

Okay. Yeah, you can't. You can't go wrong. with that right there. Oh, no, perfect. And I'm going to watch that. I'm going to watch that. I'm going to watch that for show, Debo.

What's your favorite movie? Man, what is my favorite movie? Life is up there, but I think my favorite movie, if I just had the ex-bo, it sounds green mile. I just watched that last night. That's why you said Greenwald. No, brother. I didn't know what you watched.

Brother Debo? And hell, hell, what you do you watch the Greenville? You know I watched it? No way. But I'm telling you. You got cameras. No, man. But Green Mildo, that's one of my, that's probably my favorite movie, man.

I love that movie. Right. Yeah, I just want, yeah. I know you, I know that, that's a, that's, that's, that's all right. I didn't. That's a classic. Yeah, I, I like, I like to laugh, though. I like to laugh.

There ain't nothing to laugh about the Nat, baby. No. No, no, no, for the real. So, I like movies that make you think, too. Like, some other movies like A, like The Departite was a good movie. Yeah, that was cool. Mm-hmm. I like the Oceans, too.

I'm a big Oceans fan. Oceans. Oh, Oceans. Like Oceans 11? Yeah, okay. That's what I thought. Ocean 11, 12, 13, 75. Mm-hmm.

They started getting oceaned out, though. They started, man, God damn. They were the ocean. There was a lot of oceans. Too many oceans. Hey, man, look here, man. After that one, man, we're going to go ahead and take off, man. Hey, we want to thank y'all for joining us.

Joe, you ain't here. Nothing, man. Hey, man, thank you for joining us on Debo and Joe Show, man. Hit the like button, subscribe. We'll be back here again on Monday. What's today? Friday. Yes, we'll be back again on Monday.

After a crazy week of football. Crazy week of football. Hey, make sure y'all go and watch Hills on Netflix, Season 1. Yes. Apocalypse. That's my character. Come in the chair and tell me what y'all think about Debo's performance on Monday. Let me know what y'all think.

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