Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Drake Maye & Patriots take down Giants + do Steelers have a culture issue?

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football where Drake Maye and the New England Patriots defeated Jaxson Dart and the New York Giants. Later, they rea...ct to Philadelphia Eagles OC Kevin Patullo's house being vandalized, and much more headlines from Week 13 of the 2025 NFL season Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE  Timeline:00:00 - Intro01:50 - Patriots beat Giants16:40 - Steelers culture issues28:35 - Dillon Gabriel Fiancée Speaks Out35:50 - Eagles OC gets house egged46:38 - Cowboys-Lions Preview53:00 - Deebo & Joe Defensive Player of the Week54:10 - Browns-Titans Preview56:15 - Steelers-Ravens Preview (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:31 Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Thiebo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Hey, Joe, how you doing this, Jay, though? You're feeling good, you don't, you know, cooled off,
Starting point is 00:01:59 your body temperature then went back down? Man, Debo, I ain't going to lie. I still got a little sweat dripping down from my arms and all, man. I was panicking. I'm not going to lie. It was running a little late. Wi-Fi cut out, storm right before the show was supposed to start. So I ain't going to lie to you.
Starting point is 00:02:15 I was in full-blown panic mode. Yeah, we got it together, though. We got it together. We're here. Yes, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Patriots went all ahead and just beat the brakes, beat the brakes up off the Giants, man. I ain't go lie, bro.
Starting point is 00:02:29 This was, like, probably one of the most enjoyable blowouts that I got to see. Yes. It didn't really get close. I mean, it was, like, maybe, like, 10 points at one time, like, towards the end of the first quarter or something like that. New England get the ball to first possession, as soon as they get the kickoff, bro, it's 40 yards. Dude strikes out on them, man. Down to the 45-yard line off-rep. Yeah, they get down, I think, within the five or something like that.
Starting point is 00:03:00 They stall out. They kick a field goal. It's 3-0. New York gets out there. I think that possession, they only completed one first down. Yep. And then the next first down, dude, get sacked. Like, dude, get down.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Like, all these linemen getting upset over this dude. That's when it started. The first. the first one, Debo. He got, he got, he got smacked. It wasn't even that hard because, I think it sounded harder than what it was. Because when you see the replay, he barely hitting with part of his chest. Yeah. It's the first one when you, like, kind of slid. Yeah, the first one, he's already, he's already like, but just
Starting point is 00:03:38 off the rip. It ain't even a slide, bro. He was running, and at the last second, he just tried to get down. They ain't going to slide. He just tried to get down. He got to protect itself, man. He's too small. Just be taking unnecessary hits. All the way. But, you know, that's young. You want to, you want to compete you want to go out there and try and do it like you did it in college and all these boys hitting like grown men they're out here trying to feed families they're grown they are man they want you to be out there running around looking crazy no question man they punt the ball and the action started immediately I'm thinking to myself I ain't even going to lie bro I'm like why is he catching
Starting point is 00:04:11 this inside the 10 he had a lot of space and grass so that's when I could that's when I can that's when I can dig it if people are around you let it go into the end zone but if you well I didn't I see it until, like I said, I'm thinking it was going to hang longer than what it did, you know. It come down, and this dude takes that thing 94 yards to the house. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Immediately is 10 to nothing. He got missing.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Got missing real fast, bro. He got missing. He got missing real fast. And now is where the second down comes. Yeah, this is dead. This man, Dirt takes off on the scramble. And he gets fired. Boom.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Oh, Lord. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, they're going to throw a flag. I know he in bounds. I'm looking at it. I'm like, I see the foot in bounds. Before they even did the slow mo. I'm like, I see the foot and bounce.
Starting point is 00:05:08 He didn't turn to like he was trying to go to the side. He took them extra steps. What are you doing? Boom. He deserved, farm. This is why I'm telling you. He deserved every bit of that getting fired. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:21 you're a quarterback and that's the stuff like at the end of the day that extra little two yards you're going to it's going to be third in one or third and four your longevity you're a little dude linebackers are praying that you take that extra step in bounds so you can get fired on because you're in bounds this is what we're looking for they're grown men they're coming for you so the protection is if you step out and then we give you a little give you a little something running to you all that we know we see you but when you have that corner you have that option that little two yard that one second split second when you like this. No, I'm going to just turn up instead of just going right out of bounds.
Starting point is 00:05:53 You deserve to get fired on. You deserve all that. Oh, no question. It was the second and 11, second and 12. He got 11. He got 11 of it, got fired on. His home boy, 84, wanted to take up his band. You're trying to protect your man. Your man's got fired on because he did something goofy, bro. Your man got fired. And now you about to get fined because you wanted to go in fire on somebody that did something totally legal. You go get fined, okay? You go get this fine. What is it?
Starting point is 00:06:23 Wednesday, they send them fines out. Yes, sir. Get fine Wednesday, okay? And then on top of that, the next play, he got fired on. Yeah, he was coming across there. Do fight on him. Yes. And that's the way you handle that.
Starting point is 00:06:37 That's how you don't, he gave him a 15-yard penalty. It's about to be third and one. And now you made a second and 13 and get fired on. Yeah, you get, you get fired on. It's, you know, it's over with it. So they punt the rock. Drake May come out there Start doing a little Drake May thing
Starting point is 00:06:52 He go three or three I think it was like 49 yards touchdown I think he rushed for one For three yards on a quarterback sneak They end up I think they're going up now 17 to nothing Uh huh
Starting point is 00:07:03 New York comes back out I think they ended up making a little something of it like the first five plays They ran like five runs straight Oh And then on the third down They ended up getting the personal file Oh, to say it to drive with the helmet to helmet.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Yeah, the helmet to helmet. That was a great defensive play, but how you, like, that's, I mean, that's just, that's bang, bang, like, he's not even trying to hit him. He's not, he wasn't trying to at all. He's trying to literally look at the ball and have his eyes on the ball and go through there. So, I mean, it's bang, bang, that's, that's just like, that's unfortunate. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:07:38 Like, he's not trying to. I mean, like you said, that's, that's part of the game. That's part of the game. It's safety first. You got it. But that's like, BD's end of the day, they got to be, that's so much skill to be able to really, like, slow down. You got to look where you're going, put your hands, like, try to put your hands in
Starting point is 00:07:53 between where the ball's coming to break that up and not. I don't even think he could have stopped from touching the helmet, man, because he had to slow down everything. But I'm saying, that's the crazy part. It's basically no way you can't get flag for that. Yeah. Next play, Dart, he goes and throws a short one, dude, takes it 30 yards for the touchdown. This is the only touchdown they would get. They wouldn't get no closer.
Starting point is 00:08:14 It ends up right there. I think it's 17 to 7 now. Yes, sir. New England gets back out there. They do a little something, but I think Drake gets sacked on, like, the third down. They had a three and out. And they punning it at 25 yards. Yeah, 25, yes.
Starting point is 00:08:29 I'm thinking, okay, now they got a, you know, they got a chance. Mm-hmm. Yo, what was Young Ho doing on that third, on that field goal, bro? Chunky monkey. Debo. What was that? I never seen no cookie do that. I never seen that a day in my life.
Starting point is 00:08:48 My dude might have, like, drop the ball or something. It looked, the only, I like, so deep, but we're going to talk about DeVille. He messed that up. I've never seen that before in my life. The ball moved a little bit at the bottom, so I can see if he, like, stop. But why did you come and hit your toe? That's the definition. I thought he got turf toe.
Starting point is 00:09:04 He jammed his foot into the ground looking crazy, like, oh, sprawling his body out. I'm like, I've never seen that before in my life. Dude, I don't know where. Maybe he wasn't in the right position or something to get it off. But the left foot black was right next to the ball. I don't know, bro. You got to swing that thing, man. That's a sack.
Starting point is 00:09:22 They ended up getting a sack. That was crazy. That was crazy. Dude, they get the ball. First play, it's like, I think it's Henderson for like 13. That's when they finally put our man Henderson in. He wasn't in until they gave until this drive. And then he started getting active.
Starting point is 00:09:40 He got, yeah, he got real active right there. And I think they ended up, I think it was a holding. They got a holding call. Yeah, the next play. Wait a second. Second to 21, hit Booty. Yeah, I think it was 13 for Booty. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:09:55 And then 133, beautiful ball. Great catch, great throw. Best pass of the game. Best ball of the game. Great, yeah, all that combined together. 24 to 7. The kickoff. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Same man, Debo. That's-s. That same man. That's sleeping everyone. Vi-3 put that Uwop. You better have your head of the swivel. A quarterback put that NyQuil on that returner, bro. Debo, yes.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And my wife was looking. They talking about his mouthpiece popped out? No, that was paint. He knocked paint off. He knocked the whole New York emblem off that boy helmet. Debo, I'm trying to listen. I hate to laugh because I hope and, you know what I'm saying? He's all right, man.
Starting point is 00:10:45 He's good. You know what I'm saying? But when he got up, he got up. He did not know where he was at or where he was going to. Sarah was like this, is he, my wife was like, is he okay? I said, baby, he's walking, he's the walking sleep man. That's he that man is going to sleepwalking. I jumped in hollered.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I, no, I ain't going to hollah. I ain't going to jump and holl of what I said. I ain't going to jump in holl of what I said. But I hollered for my son. I say, hey, don't want to he. I think we're looking at a dead body. Depot shot off. Hey, bro.
Starting point is 00:11:16 You know, that's, but that's what it is. You are a, that's what I'm saying. And it's not a flag. You know why, Debo. You see everybody. You know what's going on. You run into another man that's like, sees you, is ready to fire on you. And he did not bend any part of his knees to get low into that contact, man.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. What are they thinking? He launched hair that man, Debo. And then I don't bend his knees, man. How are you running, and you running into somebody, you don't bend your knees. Uh-huh. That man Ellis was out there hitting They need to watch out of 53
Starting point is 00:11:49 And he was not doing anything illegal He was out there That's a tone setter That's somebody who you want on your team That's out there, I'm like, yeah It's contact This is a physical game They run around here
Starting point is 00:11:59 They see me Like I'm right here I'm not doing nothing Why? Right there is What? What? You need to come here
Starting point is 00:12:06 Boom Come get some of this Fong he was smacking folks Bro Dude New England End up getting three from that It's 27 to 3 now 27 to 7, sorry, 27 to 7. They got three from that. It's 27 to 7. And New York, they get back out there. Like, how don't you go for it?
Starting point is 00:12:30 What are you, are you trying to win the game? They ain't trying to win the game. Like that right there. Like, you're trying to get them to jump off on fourth and one. Come on. You down by, you down by, you down by 20, almost 20. You got almost 21. You're trying to get them to jump off. man if you don't do that and go you don't do something they punt the ball and allow new england to get back down there and score another three before halftime they walk they lucky they had they were lucky they ran out of time yes walk that thing on that so quick super lucky time time i'm super lucky they're gonna be worse way worse 30 to seven halftime and then you know new york they come back out there and they're able to put together some stuff, you know, here and there. They scored touchdown. 15 to 30. I mean, really, nothing really happens after that. New England puts in another field goal later on through game ends.
Starting point is 00:13:28 It's 33 to 15. And, dude, the Patriots, Patriots looking good, man. Like, they went out there in all three phases, brother. Yes. Special team, offense, defense. Jones took one 90-fold punt return. Ninety-fold to the house
Starting point is 00:13:48 on the very first punt. And then late in the second quarter, hey, that forced football on that kickoff, night-night. Man, I mean, covered it. Dude, the defense, they shut down the Giants just all together. I think they only had like a hundred and,
Starting point is 00:14:06 maybe 10 yards rushing. DART was 139. I was hoping he was going to get some more garbage time, but he didn't. I know, man. That last drive, we only got 30 yards out of it. I'm like, God,
Starting point is 00:14:17 man, I'm trying to need a little bit more. Right, right. He needed a little bit more. I was counting down. I'm like, this is exactly what we talked about. The plan is working out perfectly. He got 30, man. I'm like, you know, come on, man.
Starting point is 00:14:30 It was a chance. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And then, you know, Drake May is eating, dude. He's playing good, dude. He's playing extremely well. It's his ability, man, to maneuver in the pocket
Starting point is 00:14:43 still keep his eyes downfield, dude, and actually throw the ball, you know, without being distracted when he's about to be hit or about to be sacked, all that. And now, you know, able to use his legs a little bit here. And this year two. Yes. Yes. Year two. He's looking, he's looking way ahead of his years, bro. 1,000 percent. He's looking comfortable. He's being able, and at the same time, he don't have. It's not like love Stefan Diggs. You know what I'm saying? Love Collins and those guys. But, like, he doesn't have like a. really, really great number one receiver that he could just go over there, like, I'm going to throw it up
Starting point is 00:15:17 over here. And go lie, man, he got some good ones, though. He's just everybody, it's a committee. I think it's on committee and just everybody, nobody's just to stand out. Everybody's doing their job. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know where they got to be catching the ball. They're not dropping it.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Running their routes, precise. It's more of just everybody's doing their thing. Nobody, you don't got to do, you don't have to have a standout person when everybody's doing their thing. Everybody's balling. Everybody's handling their job. So it's making it easier on him when I don't have to go to somebody every time. I'm going to do the open man.
Starting point is 00:15:45 When the defense needs me to go here, that's where I'm going to go. He's going to catch it and we're going to move on. Yeah, he's going. He's going where the defense dictates he has to go. Yes, yes, yes. And when he can't, you know, sometimes he got a, he got to take off. Sometimes he end up eating the sack, whatever that may be. And I know, you know, there's people out there talking about, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:05 their schedule is week and all this. Yeah, they benefit from that schedule somewhat, you know what I'm saying. But this. This dude has been sacked 40 times, bro. And he's still doing this. It's only two other quarterbacks, I think, that have been sacked more than him. Oh.
Starting point is 00:16:22 And he's still standing in the pocket throwing that thing, dude. Yeah. His percentage, his completion rate, man. He's not going to make... 40 sacks, bro. And he's still doing that. Going to rock down the field. It's not just checkdowns.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Not just checkdowns. That means he's seeing it. He's making decisions. because somebody getting hit that much and sacked that somebody getting sacked that much is getting hit probably more you know like defense too and they defense like Gonzalez the guys there's nobody
Starting point is 00:16:53 really running at Scott Free you know what I'm saying they're just very very disciplined and when you are disciplined defense a lot of good things are going to happen tip balls people are going to be in the right places you know what I'm saying don't just give it to them yeah nothing nothing nothing should be nothing given me you know some some people feel like it may be
Starting point is 00:17:12 need it should be given but nothing nothing that's given you got to you got to earn and take especially if you're getting it from another team you got to earn and take anything it is that you uh that you want to actually get and have somebody respect you for it yeah i think drag may's balling though too he's definitely his MVP case is getting bit better and better yeah so the i guess we had a former stiller how do you pronounce that last name Brendan what Fuku Fyoku Fyoku
Starting point is 00:17:45 Fyoku I'm the worst He's yeah I'm dude I'm more than you Yeah So I guess he He spoke out
Starting point is 00:17:53 Against How the defense Was struggling I guess And he said This is deeper This shit is deeper than you know What do you
Starting point is 00:18:06 What do you think he's referring to And he was going back and forth With Yeah I I guess, Trey. Do you have any of it? You got deeper context because let me get your perspective on it first
Starting point is 00:18:16 because I don't really know everybody was talking about. I think he may just be like speaking on more of like a cultural difference. You know, I think he spent a little time in, with the Chargers. Okay. Anthony Lynn, I think it was for a hot minute. Okay. And, you know, maybe from what he's seeing when he was in college to what he's seen. there and now, you know, when he got to Pittsburgh, maybe he's seeing, you know, he's seeing
Starting point is 00:18:46 something different than the culture that he's used to seeing. That's the only thing that I could, you know, that I could really think of in the situation. Do you know when he played for the Steelers or when he was there? It was like practice squad on or off. It was 20, was it 22, 23, something like that. Okay. 22, 23, something like that. So, and, you know, he's talking about well, I'm not going to say anything. I got people that's still there. I mean, it's understandable. What were some of the memories from your U.S.O tours? Nobody knew who I was, and they were like, why do we have to say hello to this guy? Recently on the Good Stuff podcast, we sat down with our friend Bradley Cooper to talk about family.
Starting point is 00:19:27 What is the good stuff to you? I mean, of course it's my daughter. His deep friendship with host Jacob. He was there when I found out that I was going to have a baby, which was incredible. I remember that. You showed me the picture. You're like, what's that me in and then I was like, oh my God. Did you ever tell the clinician story on this? Which one? Well, they're the handcuffed. Oh, dude.
Starting point is 00:19:47 And how they've been there for each other through the hard times. You know, I've been lucky enough to have dealt with some issues early on, you know, relatively early on in my life. And I was able to sort of walk Jacob through some stuff. Yeah, next month I'll be eight years clean and sober. You were a big time part of that. I leaned on you real heavy. I think times that you knew and times you didn't know.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kristen Davis, host of the podcast, Are You a Charlotte? The most anticipated guest from season three is here, The Trey to My Charlotte. Kyle McLaughlin joins me to relive all of the magical Trey and Charlotte moments. He reveals what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby. Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was literally, I was like, this doesn't track for me at all. When he found out Trey's shortcomings.
Starting point is 00:20:44 I'm kind of excited at talking about, you know, I think he's a guy spends time in Central Park. You know, he's probably, you know, he'll be some surgery stuff, you know. And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. And they said, but he's impotent. And I was like, he's impotent. And why he chose not to return to it just like that. They came and presented an idea.
Starting point is 00:21:02 And I was like, I get, I see it. It's so kind of a one joke idea. Right. You don't want to miss this. Listen to Are You a Charlotte on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Robert Smith. This is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money.
Starting point is 00:21:19 And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history. And some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it. it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson. Make something people want. First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're going to have mavericks on the show. We're going to have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad. And we'll talk about some of the
Starting point is 00:22:02 classic great moments of famous business geniuses, along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked. Like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Cultures are different, no, for sure. The only thing,
Starting point is 00:22:21 the only thing that when this happens, Debo, like, if he going to come out and say some stuff, I need to know, say what you going to say. You know what I'm saying? Well, you said he's still got people there. You know how they go, man. I know, I know. I know. But it puts us in the position to be like the ones that got to just guess
Starting point is 00:22:36 of what he's thinking. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of want to do the same thing. Like we don't want to speak on things that we. I mean, yeah, he was only there in 23. And like I said, that's the only thing I can think of. Because a culture, a culture is something that is usually hard to change
Starting point is 00:22:52 because it just happens like over time. You know, you get one person, you get two people, three people at a time. And now you got the old players that there and now they're they're leaving and and rather that is a good culture or bad culture that's being you know built there you got the young players that are now looking at these
Starting point is 00:23:16 new guys coming in and the young players that are rookies coming and they're seeing this and they're like oh this this behavior right here is acceptable yeah and then before you know it you look 10 years down the road and it's the whole group you you are not lying right and you know culture is as much as the as much as the coaches and all that than the players in the locker room that created culture like the best that you have that's that's part of the culture
Starting point is 00:23:44 yeah no no for show as players you know you got you got your older guys that built this type of culture you got your younger guys that's coming in with something else and as the transition happens you got the younger guys coming in seeing the guys that's there and they're like oh this is what we do and then the old guys are being phased out
Starting point is 00:24:01 so now like I said you turn around 10 years later, and this culture that you once saw, it's gone. For sure. And that's something that it slowly happens over time, you know, and it just takes time. So, you know, I don't, you know what? I take that back. It can be done in New England, New England, it can be done. Mike Vrable went in there and immediately changed the culture.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Yes, he did. And you know how he did that? He started with his coaches and then did it with his players. As soon as he took that job, what was the first thing he did? He went and got him an O.C. and a D.C. That fit the culture that he wanted to create. Uh-huh. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Now, what did he do then? He said, okay, it's players. Dude, he signed and released so many players that do. it was ridiculous in that first, like, five, six months that he got there at the beginning of, I believe it was, Shell, January, just this year. Oh, January, just this year, dude. He hired Josh McDaniel for the OC, Terrell Williams for the D.C., and he actually kept the offensive coordinator because they was doing well.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Makes sense. It's good to do, blah, blah, blah. Then he went and got a couple other coaches for, you know, positional things. The players, he released, he signed, he did all that. Immediately, he doesn't change the culture, okay? And this right here is like a pure example, dude. Like, he played under Belichick, okay? Now, he never coached under Belichick, but he played under him so long he knows he sees,
Starting point is 00:25:56 he understands how it works. You see what I'm saying? And from there, he built his own, his own thing and took it from there. Hell, I mean, you know what? He even played, I think he played his first four years was under Bill Cowher. So he done had 12 years. Yeah, seeing how he was done. And then you look, you know, you look at him being under, well, playing under Belichick.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Belichick got what? He had 10, 12 head coaches that went on from his tenure. I was under one of them, Eric Mayor Jeannie. He came from Parcells as a D.C. with the Giants. Like, that's a great coach, dude. That's a great coach. And that gets passed down. And you get used to seeing, okay, this is what the culture should be like,
Starting point is 00:26:49 because this is what's successful. It's no longer about, okay, I need to get the best, player no you don't need to get the best player you need to get a player that can play of course but the personality yeah the things that are going to help build and and and you know raise your locker room is what you need like all the intangibles that you can't that you can't you know you have you get a guy in there and like you said one dude can take and turn the next year into eight dudes. And those eight dudes can turn the next year
Starting point is 00:27:33 into 16 dudes. And before you know it, the whole culture is gone. And what it was that was there before, whether it was good or bad, is gone. And now it's whatever the new coach has or wanted to build. And that's what you have then. No, for sure. Because, I mean, it's the same.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Like, when I came to the Steelers, Debo, I knew it with the Pouncy Twins. you know what I'm saying the line Roman Ramon you know what I'm saying the old line they had culture they had things that they hung around they kicked it and I saw that and I loved it and everybody knew
Starting point is 00:28:09 Hey where you think that came from bro? Where do you think that came from that got passed down from the previous dude I got that from I got that from Peezy I got that from all them see so that that's it was passed down it's just that's what that's what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:28:25 and then when I came even for the DBs with my man Will Gay with my good man. I'm like, God damn, I'm having a breath. Even Rob, Rob G. Just that were doing. He was under that. He was under that.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Everybody, we knew we had things that we did, that little DB, little lunch. When we had our little meeting that we did it, we ordered like Eddie V's, we did a steak. And that's when they ended up leaving, I kept that going. And then when Minka came in, we always did it. And people respected to us because they're like, no, this is the culture. This is what, and I just started doing it because that's what they did. And this is what it was. So I'm like, okay, boom.
Starting point is 00:28:58 So it's just like if you don't have OGs that really come in and really can teach them and not teach them in a bad way. And the other thing is sometimes rooks are not trying to learn. They're not trying to hear that. It's a little different with these one new age dudes. If that guy is trying to hear that's when you got to draft. You got to doos that's listening that's not coming in there thinking they can didn't know everything.
Starting point is 00:29:21 You know what I'm saying? No question. Humble, ready to listen, ready to grind. But OGs, there's no disrespect. This is just they teach it. They're not being, you know what I'm saying, rude, whatever. So I think it's a, it's an OG thing. It's a players that are really good with everybody else and just culture, learning,
Starting point is 00:29:36 and just the way it is, and we respect. Yes. Yes, dude. Like, once you start getting rid of your, as we say, OGs, and then you're moving on to your younger guys. If your younger guys aren't characters that are going to build the culture that you want, then you're going to have to figure out how to adjust that to get them adjust to it or you let them adjust your culture. And you know what, man, and when you look at it right now, I feel like that's what we have.
Starting point is 00:30:12 We don't have a cultural thing that has just changed to the point that it's not really one. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? like even if you go back to when minka was here dude mika has spoke on it i believe it was like our last home game last year around his time in december and he was saying um something along the lines of like you know guys come in and think you know it's just going to be given to him and you put the end for him all he was saying the same stuff we're talking about yeah And I think I think that's the coaching.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Now everything is just handed to you, it's given to you. You're automatically made, you're here, you know, whatever that may be. And that's that's not what it is. Just because you put on that uniform, you get, no, don't nobody, man, don't nobody fear coming to Heinz Field no more. I mean, coming to Pittsburgh. Yeah. Don't nobody feel coming to Pittsburgh no more, man. Back in the, back in the G, that was, hey, coaches would tell they, tell they, tell
Starting point is 00:31:24 tell you, hey, you need two chin straps. That's legit, though. You need two chin straps. Legit. Like, growing up, any time, you already knew what it was. You was going to get, he was going to come out there and you was going to get smacked. Somebody's head was going to get hit all. Like, y'all was out there laying, just smacking people, just the way football was supposed
Starting point is 00:31:44 to be played. It was going to tote the rock, hard running, hard hitting. You wasn't just going to walk out of there, you know what I'm saying? You wasn't going to tote the ball. The easiest way to lead is by example. I ain't even got to say no. Just see what I do and follow me. Watch me. Because I'm not a big talker. That wasn't what I did either, Debo. Like, I'm going to. Just watch this. You know what I'm saying? You can't talk all you want to, man.
Starting point is 00:32:05 No. You got to show me. If you're not doing it, it don't matter. You got to show me. You can't have nobody to not doing nothing, be a leader and talking too much. Why? What do you shut up? Do something. Or the guy that talks so much, but he ain't, he ain't putting none of that work in. I'm like, eh. No, no, no, no. You can't, you can't, listen, bro, you can't be coming over here talking goofy and correcting me on stuff that you can't, you can't do. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't understand that right. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Right, let's go over here to Cleveland, man. Dylan, Gabriel's fiancee. They said, they said, they said, they said, um, she posted a TikTok saying, my fiancé, of course, they ought to let you got to let people know that's my fiance, Dylan. It's not plain. I have thoughts on that, but I'm not going to share it. Then, another one, Brown's loss was new. Yo, bro, how do you feel about this? I'm dead, like, and then she got into a little disagreement, like, with one of the comments, I guess.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Actually, everyone in the building wants him to blame, but, hey, why is she talking about, You wouldn't know that because you've never been in the NFL or been a coach, right? See, you know, see, that's what I'm not, that's, look, that's what we, that's, that's, that's, that's his, that's his old lady. Look at that. You can't even say, you can't even say what you. That's about to be Dylan Gabriel's wife. She has every right to defend her man and do whatever she got to do and say what she got to stay in her man. Okay, so let me, bullets start flying.
Starting point is 00:33:51 She's got to be ready for me. I know, for sure. But I'm just going to not speak on that because that's his old lady and she has every right to defend her man. And like, that's his wife. I'll speak on it. I just, as a man, as a man that is doing a job that she has not done, has not coached, has not played in. You now think you have played in the NFL because your fiance plays in the NFL. Now you know more because you are going to marry an NFL player.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Nope. Nope. And then on top of that, you're putting him in crosshairs. Yeah. You're putting him in the crosshairs because who else is he talking to while he's laying in the bed? No, actually, everyone in the building wants him to play. So who told you that? Were you in the building?
Starting point is 00:34:48 Were you talking to other players? Were you talking to the coaches? I doubt it 110% doubt you was in it talking to any coaches in the offices or to the up front. So that must be something he's telling you. So now you got him having to go back and answer to or have people looking at him a certain way. Now because you don't said to her, oh yeah, everybody wants me to play. They just hate him, you know what I'm saying? They want to get him a chance, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:35:19 This is equivalent, Debo. Do you think this is equivalent to, like, somebody's, like, when we talked about previously, people's fathers going out there and saying things about their sons? If my father... I'm just, you know... If my father is a ex-hall-of-famer, he can say whatever he want to say.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Because nine times out of the team, I don't put him up to it. But what if your dad didn't play in the league? Okay. But what if he didn't play in the league? Did he play football? Yeah, he played football. Did she play football? The analyst
Starting point is 00:35:50 Did she play football? Stephen A. Smith didn't play football. What did she analyze? I mean, she didn't analyze nothing. Tell me where she was an analyst at. She coached the Power Puff League? No, Debo. She ain't coached nothing.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Okay. So what makes her qualified because her fiancé is Dillon? No, no, no, no, no. What makes any, if a dad, if a dad didn't play in the league and his son, so if a dad didn't play, He played Little League football. That makes him qualified to be able to speak on it more than if there's somebody that didn't play football at all. Like literally.
Starting point is 00:36:24 When you paraphrase my fiance, to give yourself credit, I have a problem with that. Okay. I'm not going out here and saying my defensive coordinator, Dick LeBow, no, I'm coming as James Harrison. You had to paraphrase that. So it gave you credibility? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I mean, yeah, no, I understand what you're saying, but I don't, I don't, I just don't like this, bro. I don't, I don't like it at all. That, that would be like me. It is, it is messy. And flipping it around and it being the other way. Yeah. Like, you think, my, you think people ain't looking at him crazy right now? A thousand percent.
Starting point is 00:37:09 It's, I could agree. Like, right there, where he goes to work every day, you think they ain't looking at him crazy right now? You think the other. Yes. or fiancés, ain't looking at her crazy now because they're listening to their husbands or fiancés.
Starting point is 00:37:25 What are they talking about? Yes, she don't need to say that. Yes, what you're exactly right is. Put yourself in a position you don't want to be in. You can't win. I understand. You want to defend your man. Do it in private.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Do it in private. Because that's not going to help him at all either. I'm with that part, he got an answer to this. Who is he getting this from? He's not talking to the other coaches or not nobody else, the players. so he's going to go have to answer this because his fiance of who he's talking to
Starting point is 00:37:50 is saying that in the locker room everybody wants me to play how do you get this information she must be she's talking to you or she's not talking to sofansky I'm with you a thousand percent that this whole thing is not it's not it's not good for her to do it but I can see I'm just yes just don't say anything it's hurt it hurts your it hurts your husband I can know why she's sending them for show but don't say anything because it's going to put him in a messed up position in the world that we're in and now, with social media, everybody looking for a kidding meeting, don't do it. You're trying to go everywhere with this, dude.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Yes, yes, yes. And, dude, it's now? I'm with you. Now? But, yeah. Stop, bro. Like, you're talking about causing, you already got issues. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Now you go add this on top of it. Yeah. What? No, I'm, yes, I'm with you on that, Debo. So, I'm with you on that, for show. Come on. Joe, I think. It's messy.
Starting point is 00:38:55 She just makes it more messy because it's like, it already got a lot going on. Nobody else didn't need that. But I just, you know, this old lady, like, yeah, you're right. You just don't need it. It's extra. It's more drama. Super messy. You can't get no more messier than that.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Like, that's straight up pillow talk. at night, you're at night, like, what's going? Hey, you're coming home. You haven't had a tough day. You know, everybody wants me to start, but they hate him. Why they hate him? Tell me why they hate him. What's the reason they hate him?
Starting point is 00:39:28 He ain't going to say I'm playing like trash. Why they hate him? Hmm? Would that lead people to think, Joe, you already know. I know. Especially as much tension as we got around that issue. Come on, Joe. You know what that.
Starting point is 00:39:45 saying not good yeah just yeah just go and do like what the Eagles fans did man and go egg
Starting point is 00:39:56 the officer coordinator so Debo they called it vandalism yeah they're vandalism get they
Starting point is 00:40:06 hope they get locked up man that's crazy locked up for egg in the house bro come on man
Starting point is 00:40:12 definitely let me tell you something because he had some restitution or something man, maybe some community service. Do you want people to come and egg your house? That's so...
Starting point is 00:40:20 I ain't going to lie. I'm coming back. I don't bother nobody. I don't bother nobody. If you come over to my house and come egg my shit, I want you locked. Why don't fucking you egg my house? Bro, we used to egg... You ain't from a...
Starting point is 00:40:33 We used to egg each other for fun. Like... Oh, man. Hell no. I'm no, man. I got down. I must be the police. I'm trying to mind my business.
Starting point is 00:40:44 And say you're trying to go eggs by crib. You mute it. You muted, Debo. You mute it. I can't hear you. I said it might have been some people that was my age that actually went and agged this house up. Because that's something that, you know, people my age do, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:04 It could cause a lot of harm if you don't get it off in time. So, yeah. You know, if I egg your, I'm, listen, I'm trying to cause you damage. if I egg your house when it's real cold or it's real hot I egg your car when it's real hot That's what I'm saying Trying to cause damage
Starting point is 00:41:19 That's real damage That's what I'm saying Debo You gotta, it's not You ain't never threw no You ain't never To pee nobody's house Joe That's way better CP don't get fine
Starting point is 00:41:28 That's funny Eggs But you know how hard You gotta throw that thing To get over top of this He probably got a house With a high roof I throw this egg
Starting point is 00:41:35 I'm gonna get what I'll get what I need And feel good If you get that egg You're trying to really harm my house Because I'm like just mess it mess up. No, I'm just trying to make you have to go get a power wash. What were some of the memories from your U.S.O. tours? Nobody knew who I was, and they were like, why do we have to say hello to this guy?
Starting point is 00:41:51 Recently on the Good Stuff podcast, we sat down with our friend Bradley Cooper to talk about family. What is the good stuff to you? I mean, of course, it's my daughter. His deep friendship with host Jacob. He was there when I found out that I was going to have a baby, which was incredible. I remember that. You showed me the picture. You're like, what's that mean?
Starting point is 00:42:09 And I was like, oh, my God. Did you ever tell the clinician story on this? Which one? Well, they're the handcuffed. Oh, dude. And how they've been there for each other through the hard times. You know, I've been lucky enough to have dealt with some issues early on, you know, relatively early on in my life.
Starting point is 00:42:24 And I was able to sort of walk Jacob through some stuff. Yeah, next month I'll be eight years clean and sober. You were a big time part of that. I leaned on you real heavy. I think times that you knew and times you didn't know. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kristen Davis, host of the podcast. Are You a Charlotte?
Starting point is 00:42:49 The most anticipated guest from season three is here. The Trey to My Charlotte. Kyle McLaughlin joins me to relive all of the magical Trey and Charlotte moments. He reveals what he thinks of Trey giving Charlotte a cardboard baby. Why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I was literally, I was like, this doesn't track for me at all. When he found out Trey's shortcomings. I'm kind of excited at talking about, you know, I think he's a guy spends time in Central Park.
Starting point is 00:43:17 You know, he's probably, you know, he'll be some surgery stuff, you know. And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. And they said, but he's impotent. And I was like, he's impotent. And why he chose not to return to it just like that. They came and presented an idea. And I was like, I get, I see it.
Starting point is 00:43:34 It's so kind of a one joke idea. Right. You don't want to miss this. Listen to Are You a Charlotte on the Iheart radio app, Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Robert Smith, and this is Jacob Goldstein, and we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history. And some of the worst people, horrible ideas, and destructive companies in the history of business.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson. make something people want. First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way
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Starting point is 00:44:47 Before it get too bad. See, no, you, Debo, no, that's, you disrespectful, dog. Don't, you talk, getting people to egg people's houses. No, I'm just saying, listen, man. You're proving it. You're proving this message. Listen, right now you are.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Listen, I'm just trying to tell you, bro, if you and me got a little bit of beef, you're egg in my crib. Bruh, I ain't gonna lie to you. Demo. Hey, I, I, like, if we got, like, if we got, like, Like beef, like me and you, we had a situation going, whatever. And then, like, I'm just mad at you.
Starting point is 00:45:16 We fell out. And I want to piss you all. I'm going to egg your house. And if you catch me, I just have to have the pile wash. You know what I'm saying? But I'm going to egg it, Joe. I ain't going to lie. And I'm going to sit there and you go call me like, man, you know somebody to egg my
Starting point is 00:45:29 motherfucking house, man. Instead of, I'm going to be like, what? I'm going to know it's you. If my head, if my house gets egg now. Listen here, man. I'm nice, Joe. Yeah, I'm a nice guy, Debo. I'm always worried about you.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Now I know you're going to get my egging me. Now you got me looking at you even more crazy. Listen, I ain't going to do it too bad. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to make sure it's down on the first floor. I ain't go pop you all the way up on the second. I'm going to just hit the window. That way you can, when you hit the egg with the window,
Starting point is 00:46:03 you ain't got to worry about too much damage. You know what they said this? It be your own man's. You ever heard them say that before? Be your own blood Be your own kind It be your own man's That's what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:46:15 To be more careful Did the Eagles fans get caught? I don't know I hope that big old house I hope of that big old house He has cameras Yep I hope he catches
Starting point is 00:46:28 You think they're about to follow Everybody's camera Go knock door to door For an egging No No they're not going to take it seriously They're not going to take it seriously man I know
Starting point is 00:46:38 I'm being extra Why are you so serious then? Because I'm not trying to push people's houses getting eggs. Because I'm old now, man. I'm trying to just live a peaceful, retired life, stay out the way. I don't bother nobody. I don't want nobody just run up on my house, egging me. I understand.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Listen, Joe, I understand what you're saying. I'm just trying to pick up, D, Bo. Listen, every nine in, you might have to get some get back. A egg is really, for me, if I egg your house, man, or if I egg your car. Dimo, you're almost 50 years old. Talk about- I'm going to do it while you in it, Joe. I'm going to hit your car while you rolling past
Starting point is 00:47:17 because you don't flip me the bird, okay? I'm going to pop. I would never flip you to bird. I'm not flip you. You know, ain't nothing wrong with it. Depot. Oh, my heart's saying, yes, I know what you're saying. You're going to throw eggs at people that flip bird.
Starting point is 00:47:34 No. Hey, listen, I ain't go lie. I can't, I can't, I say you, not people, bro. Okay, okay. I had, I had somebody, I can't even say who it is, but it's somebody I know. Okay. And somebody flipping the bird on the highway. Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:51 This is wrong. This is reckless. I ain't going to even lie to you. This is why I don't get fingers. This is why I don't get fingers on the highway. No. If they flip him bird on the highway, you know what he'd do? You drive in front of them.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Uh-huh. Open the sun. roof and toss out pennies, toss out a handful of pennies. Oh, my. You're doing 70 miles an hour coming down highway. Damage. Who's who doing this, people? I know, I know, I know somebody to do it.
Starting point is 00:48:24 I knew somebody to do it. And you know somebody to do a lot of things. You know a lot of people. Hey, listen, listen, bro, I'm from Africa now. That's crazy. Hey, that's A.K. Rottie Rottie, West Side Summit County. Listen. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:35 I'm just trying to tell you. Yeah, you better not flick all that side, Robbie. And so the pitties at your will. Hey, listen. And he said, he said, don't let you be in nothing that's clean. He said he might be willing to lose a little bit of money and throw quarters out there then. See, Debo, that's what I'm saying. Hey, this ain't me.
Starting point is 00:48:58 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's why I'm telling you that we need to bring in more chiller energy into the world. because there's people like Wildman Kenny that's throwing nickels and quarters at you if you flick somebody off. So just never know how somebody else's day is going. Always, you know what I'm saying? He's in a rush.
Starting point is 00:49:15 He's having a bad day. Right. Sure. One too old. No, I don't even care no more. You know what I'm saying. People, that's what I'm trying to tell. That's what I'm trying to get you.
Starting point is 00:49:22 I try and make sure that, you know, I'm early when I need to go somewhere. Yes. You know, I don't get behind that person that's driving five miles under the speed limit. And it makes you want to lose your mind. I'm like, you know what? You know what?
Starting point is 00:49:39 It's a Sunday drive. You know what? You know what, Debo maybe getting to them? I treat it every day like a Sunday. Sunday. Relax. You know? Relax.
Starting point is 00:49:47 If you got two lanes, maybe get to the left lane, go see, make sure it's the old lady. Hey, are you, are you okay? Hopefully get there safely. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Get there. Yeah. You know, I'm just trying to bring good.
Starting point is 00:49:57 I ain't, I ain't, I ain't really stop and help too many people. No. unless I'm not stopping I ain't gonna lie it's hard it's hard it's hard to do now man no no no no no no no no
Starting point is 00:50:12 it's hard to do now that might be a setup they might be waiting for that back in the day when my dad when I was with my dad my dad was he would deliver stuff
Starting point is 00:50:22 he was a dude we picked for pitch hikers I swear oh that's a suicide mission dude my dad would pick up Now, now. If I see somebody staying over there like this, I'm like this. That's how you got around, bro.
Starting point is 00:50:39 Like, yeah, that's how you got around. Now we have Metro or somehow. No, dude, I would be in a car. And I was, you know, I'm anywhere from like 12 to like 14, 15 at the time. You're in the backseat next to, bro? No, man. It'd be a work van, dude. So I would like just, you know, scoot over.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Yeah. And I got, I got old, I don't know who this is. And that was like, no one thing. Like, okay, somebody needs a ride. You give him a ride. Oh, bro. Dude, like my dad, my dad, your dad is from Flynn Burney, man, Maryland. He was in the country, so.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Yeah, your dad is in the country. He ain't scared of nothing. No, hey, listen, I ain't go lie. So as I got older. like you did it for a little bit in there and I'm thinking I'm like yo like man serial killers and all that you know what I'm saying I'm like man I think they're the hitchhikers the hey hey listen man all the movies say listen dude I'm trying to tell you and I'm like this man was out here helping people get like actually picking up hitch dude I'm talking about dudes
Starting point is 00:51:57 that I would have pulled it off from now. I'm like, I'm not giving him no. Like, this, no fear. I hate to be like that with that because I'm really nice person. Like, I don't want nothing, no harm. But I think sometimes, like, I have to have fear for my own life
Starting point is 00:52:14 and my own family. You know what I'm saying? Like, they could be had bad attentions. When my dad was my age, dude, that man had no fear level. Zero. I don't know how. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Like, no. I'll tell you one thing you're scared the death off, though. Listen, this is going to sound crazy. Mice. A mouse? Oh, my God. A mouse could cause that man. Pull a gun on you, bro.
Starting point is 00:52:43 I had hamsters, right? When I was younger. And my hamster would get loose. Oh, my God. It's scared of him. And my dog, listen, bruce. And my dog brick, he could smell. smell him and he would find him.
Starting point is 00:53:00 So I'd go and I'd be like, dad, hamster got loose. I'd be like, I think he in there. Man. You don't get that motherfucker up out of here right now. Yes. Yes, Paul. It'd be like that. Like, little things, yes. I can respect it. All that, bro. Anything that was like a mouse, dude.
Starting point is 00:53:20 But you let a mouse come up? My mom, bro. We had a mouse in our house when I was a kid. And my mom moved out for a week. until we had to get, like, she was dead serious. She went to a hotel, and then we had to, like, move cribs. My mom was so scared of mice. Dude, yeah, that's out of control, man. Look here, C.D. Lamb, he compared facing the Lions DBs to a boxing match.
Starting point is 00:53:47 D.B. He said, hey, he says it's a grown-man game. Girl-man game. Physical game. Physical game. He's saying the boys out there putting hands on people. Yeah, they're trying to make sure the refs check so you make sure any legal contacts Need that Need that No question
Starting point is 00:54:03 He's throwing it out there Let them know Hey These boys beholding refs Just throwing I told you Hey, it's a boxing match You guys out here swinging
Starting point is 00:54:12 They're doing everything He like it though He said he like it He's what he's looking for He need that Mm-hmm Okay You want all that
Starting point is 00:54:17 I love that I know who else like that I know GP like that He wants all that smoke No question man them D.Bs over there do. They do do a lot of men. I think they might want to slow that down a little bit
Starting point is 00:54:33 because they're getting all them crosses and everything going. What's going on over there, man? At what point is my dude going to realize you can't just be going for fourth down every. Every. You're getting too late in the season, man.
Starting point is 00:54:46 You're putting your team, man. You can't just be going for it on fourth. You just can't make it up now. You ain't got that time to make it up. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hey. Sometimes you can.
Starting point is 00:54:56 You got to play the field position game. You can't just be out there living on the head every time. Well, kick the field goal, dude. Yes. Points, points, points, points, points, points. It's too, it's late end of the season. All the points matter. It's so much harder to get them.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Yes, it's harder to get them. People are more stingy. They, they, cueing in. We spend it a little extra time to make sure, you know, and I had all this time to look at what you've been doing from the beginning of the season to now. They got cues, oh, yeah, this is this at 80%. This is this at 75, you know, all that.
Starting point is 00:55:32 So they cueing in on stuff. It gets a lot harder, man. It does. But this is the whole time, this is why I love this part of the season, though, Debo, because now everything matters. Like, the end of the season, everybody has to play the divisional game. So these six weeks, the playoff pitcher can look so much different. If you get hot and go 4-0, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:55:53 Right now, you can do your whole season. situation could be so much better. Like, nobody's mathematically eliminated. Nobody's clenched in certain spots. Nobody's got the home field advantage. So we're doing. We saw dusty over here in the AFC. In the AFC, we still, we're looking crazy.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Like, somebody got to win it. Somebody got to win it. And they're still looking at Cincinnati, like, way back having a shot. But what I'm saying is, you never know. Let them go four and no right now. And we keep losing and nothing happens with the Ravens. Dude, what is their record? They like, four.
Starting point is 00:56:25 and eight, I think. Dude, they ain't even out of it. That's what I'm trying to say, Debo. Let them go ahead and go crazy for a couple weeks in a row. And mess around and play the last week and get into the playoffs. I'm not going to give myself up here and get hope again. I'm not, because now I'm feeling hopeful again because I feel like, oh, three and eight. We ain't got to play them again, even though it got Joe back.
Starting point is 00:56:46 The only thing I'm thinking, but look, Joe, but look, Debo, when we get in there and we're going to play versus them boys, we're going to have to, like, the games, like you said, Once you get into the dance, all you got to do is go three, four, and no, when you win the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? Get high just win. Just go on and O this week. Go on and O this week.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Went four straight games. Go four and O. Nobody knows about nothing. We start off O&O. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's why everybody kind of can believe, but you go only one the last six times we've been in the joint. So you get hype, you quick, well, oh, man, like, it's still tight.
Starting point is 00:57:18 Yeah. Yeah, you got to making it to that, you got to make it to that fight. You got to make it to the dance. You don't realize how hard it is to make it into the dance, though. Especially when you made the year before, a lot of people come back and think, oh, it's just going to be given to you.
Starting point is 00:57:34 You're just going to make it because you made it last year. Nope. Nope. No, every year, you got to get in there and you got to earn it. And especially if you had a good year, now everybody's shooting. You're getting that best shot.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Getting their best shot. They're ready for you. 100%, bray. When you look at, like, The example that I use is like when I went to Cincinnati in 13, like when nobody really counting on Cincinnati to do nothing. Like we ended up taking the north. The defense was like ranked third. Like it was crazy.
Starting point is 00:58:08 And I think that was the same year that the Steelers, I don't even think they even made the playoffs that year. I think that was the yes. That was a year they lost like four or five in a row at the beginning of the year. And that was, dude, that was the start of. basically a switch, a shift, you know what I'm saying? Okay. When you think that when things start? Oh, yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:58:34 I think maybe it started in 12, to be honest with you. But I know in 13, on defensive side, it was guys playing that shouldn't have been playing because they weren't ready to play. Like they were, they were putting the position. And some of them, I talked to one cat when I got back in 14, it was like, yo, they just put me out there. I wasn't ready. I didn't know what I was doing. Dude had 19 M.E's in one game, bro. You know, that's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Mm-hmm. You know, like, I think it was two or three rookies at that time that ended up starting on that defense. Coastal Bowles' defense don't start rookies, bro. That's not what it is. But he's just the de-coordinator. So you got to do what superiors have you do.
Starting point is 00:59:21 And that's what it came down to. And now, you know, it went from 30. Like when I left in 12, that was the number one defense. 13, it ended up being, I think it went down to 13. And then Sissy ended up being number three. And then in, I want to say, when I came back, it was 18. When I came back in 14, it was an 18 defense 21. And then it started going back up from there where you had a span of like four or five years that was, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:53 It was like a five, six, five, three. And you came again. When I came, that's when I was there. We were two blue a bit. Yep. So the, you know, the changes, you know, of what it is that you're building or not building. And, you know, what came from it? Joe.
Starting point is 01:00:14 Yes, sir. Who is your defensive player of the week? Who you got? What team? Just tell me what team? Buffalo Bills. Okay, who? Christian Benford, the corner.
Starting point is 01:00:30 But he had the sideline pick and then had the scoop and score for the touchdown. I like it. He bawled out. He did it right in front of my eyes. I just don't like the opponent. He did it again. So I'm going with Michael Parsons.
Starting point is 01:00:47 That was the other one. That's a good pick. Yes, I got to go with Michael Parsons. personally respectfully he bawled out we have like a eight tackles two and a half sacks yeah he bought a pressure they sat when he had pressures and he bade sacks on big time yes he then he finished the game out with the joint respect man
Starting point is 01:01:13 who the browns got this week joe to be more careful that's crazy Come on, man. If y'all aren't winning this one, man, you already know what game this is, bro. This is going to be the game, Miles Garrett broke the record. There's only two other quarterbacks
Starting point is 01:01:31 that got more sacks than, um, then, oh, man, the Titans. Oh, we're about to go crazy on war, man,
Starting point is 01:01:39 that's so sad. Where are he at 18? Man, he at 18. Oh, no, is he at 19? He had 19? I think he had 19.
Starting point is 01:01:47 He had 19? Yeah, yeah. He had 19? Oh, my. Yeah. And listen, he go get, he'll get, he's going to get 20, he'll get 25, he go in this week. He's going for 25. You see he's putting him on it.
Starting point is 01:02:04 He wears it on his little wristband. He got the tape on there with the 25 on it. He's shooting for it. I ain't picking him for a defensive player the week unless he get 25. I don't care if he get, I don't care if he get five. If he don't get six, I ain't picking it for a defensive player the week next week. Because you should have went on and got 20. You want him to go get the record just right now.
Starting point is 01:02:27 It's the Titans, bro. Come on, bro. At the crib? You did not, look, that's how you know that man is so nice. You just force it like, man, you got to go get five sacks? It's at the crib. That's crazy. Five sacks.
Starting point is 01:02:40 They gave up, what, 46, 48? Yeah, the team, the defense. You can't get a six piece miles. Come on, man. Get you a six pass. You're talking about crazy. The defense, the defense probably going to get six. Miles probably get three of them.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Nah, nah, Miles, listen, man, go on here, get you a six piece. And after you get it, just walk out and just sit out. I don't care for the third quarter, just sit out the rest of the game, just, and then do your wrist like this. Six times. Just the whole time for the rest of the game. Just do it like that. Come on, man.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Let's go get a dub. Let's go ahead and Shador is going to beat the number one overall pick. And they're talking about the Titans. Go ahead and be war. We got to go over here to We got to go over here to Baltimore I ain't go lie I'm hopeful
Starting point is 01:03:29 A little now Because the Ravens been playing Trash Yeah Look my man My good man Lamar I hope he's okay But
Starting point is 01:03:39 You know what I'm saying But he's yeah But the Ravens did put out Forest fires I mean raising forest fires last week Defense they last couple of weeks They've been bowling Defense been bowling
Starting point is 01:03:50 I don't I don't I don't need that defense to be playing like that against us. That's what I'm saying. And our offense hasn't been looking too good against bad defenses. So we got the hope. We got the hope. Who's going to be starting quarterback first this week? Do it matter?
Starting point is 01:04:09 Do it matter? That's a good question. Our offenses scheme, it's dope, do it matter. Nope. What's going to happen? What's going to change? What's going to change? What's going to change?
Starting point is 01:04:23 Dude, we still got, we don't pass and everything. Quick. Yeah. We can't. What? You're right. I'm trying to think of what we got to do. I'm trying to think.
Starting point is 01:04:37 We still, like, we got D.K. And he hasn't been, we got, shit. DK ain't going to be able to get nothing because it's only DK. I'm going to double DK. DK ain't going to be able to piss the drop if I'm another team. I don't care about nothing else. I got to double him. You're going to,
Starting point is 01:04:51 you're going to have to prove to me, you could beat me with everybody else. Yeah. Well, then keep throwing it to Washington. Jalen, Gainwell, Lion just got to make some holes. Okay. You know what? This is what we're going to do. What are we going to do, D?
Starting point is 01:05:13 We'll talk about this on Friday. We'll talk about this on Friday. Yeah, there you. Right now. It's too early. Right now, this is what we want to do. doing. I want to thank you guys for coming on and joining us, even though Joe was running around, sweating, nervous. Nervous. Nervous is hooker in church.
Starting point is 01:05:32 I'm telling you, man. Hey, Joe, listen, bro. Real time. In real time, I was stressed out. I'm trying to tell you, man, you're my guy, bro. Thank you, brother. Hey, hey, I kill everything over you, even a rock. But if you ever cross me, I kill you with the rock. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Yeah. I hear you. Something's wrong with you, bro. No. Seriously. Love you, Debo. All right, boy, I love you too. And we out.
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