Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to MNF: Seahawks-Texans & Bucs-Lions + Dolphins DUMPSTER FIRE

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football where Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks defeating CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans and Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions taking down Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Later, they react to the Cleveland Browns defeating the lowly Miami Dolphins and much more action from Week 7 of the 2025 NFL Season! 00:00 - Intro03:15 - Lions beat Bucs18:40 - Seahawks beat Texans28:40 - Browns beat Dolphins39:40 - Deebo is done with Mike McDaniel42:30 - Browns fans want Kevin Stefanski fired45:30 - Will Browns play Shedeur Sanders50:40 - Isaiah Rodgers DMs58:35 - Packers x Steelers matchup1:02:20 - Justin Fields gets benched1:04:40 - Rams beat Jags1:08:00 - Billy Napier Fired as Florida HC1:11:40 - Deebo & Joe Defensive Player of the Week (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? Man, I'm doing good, Debo.

You know, I'm doing good. I'm happy that we back, you know, live today. I know you've messed up the whole Wi-Fi system yesterday. You didn't want to talk about no brownies. So I'm glad to be back here with you so we can talk this good football. The Browns, you know,

that's going to have the way. That's the kind of old news. If we get to it, we get to it. But we got to talk about these lions. We got to talk about the Monday night first. We got to. The lions went on head out there and they put their hands on Detroit.

First possession, and they pop out and they hit one for 30 and 27. A little short one though that went for 27 for a tutty jumped on their neck immediately, seven nothing, bro. Yeah, it was. Amara St. Brown, Tuddy off rips. Oh, yeah. It was good.

Then Tampa come out there. They can't do nothing. The defense was doing their thing. You know, they bopping three and out immediately. You know, Detroit comes back out there. and, man, sack fumble, dude, Tampa. The defense was playing well. Yeah.

The defense is playing well early. Now, I don't know about too good early. They did enough early to make sure it didn't get too reckless. That it didn't get out of pocket. The lines helped them out. But, you know, there was a little bit of turnovers. I mean, something, it takes to the time. On that turnover, they, same thing.

It was another three out. They didn't do anything, you know, to convert on it. And then the following possession, Detroit goes. They go for, you know, for four on fourth at the 12-yard line and don't convert. Whileing out. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's what he does, though. Yeah, no, for sure.

They do. No, no, he wasn't whileing out. I like that. I like that. He's aggressive. He leaves in the squad. Yeah. And then, like you said, the defense was playing.

You know, you just got punt, punt, punt, you know. Detroit gets back out there. And that man, Gibbs went on head and showed him with 22, 22 miles an hour. 70, the safety, he couldn't even catch him, bro. Yeah, he had the angle. He ran away from his angle. Broke his angle. Ran, broke his angle.

Yeah, Gibbs got, Gibbs has speed. Gibbs got Olympic. As soon as I saw him let loose, I was like, oh, he's gone. He gone. He said he gone. Oh, yeah, that dude, he's 22 miles. He was floating, bro. He was floating.

I said he's gone, man. Detroit get down there right before, I think, the two-minute, they kick a field goal, and they missed the field goal. dude. That was big. Oh, no. Then we went, yep, yep. That was big.

And then, you know, they get back. They're able to stop them. But Tampa, they, interception. Come back through Detroit. Say, you know what, man? I'm going to have to return the favor. Do it right back. Do it right back to him, right back to him.

Do it right back to him. Tampa able to go down there and get a quick, get a quick, get a quick three. Three before, yep. They get a quick three points. Now it's three to 14, you know, looking at it from, you know, just a halftime thing, you're looking like, yo, this game should have been way more out of control than what it ended up being, you know, three to 14 right there at the half.

And you have Tampa. They come out, you know, beginning of that, I believe it's beginning of that third quarter, they drive down the field. They score a touchdown, but they end up going for that two. they missed it too. Mm-hmm. That dude, Ted Johnson, 15 with that athletic play. Catching it, jumping over people, getting into the zone.

That was five. Yeah, but Detroit Collins right back, bro, they answer. Bro, Gibbs, the whole way. Bro, Gibbs was running through them dudes, bro, the whole time. Having a lot, having this way, dude, 21 to 21 to 9 now. Yep. And then later, Tampa goes for it. They get it.

They think they got it. But later on the review... I thought he got it. I didn't think he got it. You didn't think he got it. When this knee actually touched the ground, the ball is short. You can see it right there, especially when they got that side view right there. You can see it.

Like, he's like that far from the line, but that's, you know what I'm saying? That's what matters. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So that's short. They're able to, you know, go ahead and bank in.

The joint joint. bank the field goal so that that's that's right there that put them up 24 to 9 and Tampa goes and they do a 19 plays to convert two of the two fourth downs okay and then they use up I think almost six minutes but on their third fourth down they don't convert it they get no points they then used up so much clock you know that they're able to you know get the ball back but Basically, you know, it's over from there. Yep. They get another 10th on downs.

Yeah, and they, you know, they end up running the clock out. But, dude, Gibbs, 17, 136 on the rush, another three for 82 on receiving. This dude had 218 yards total, bro. And then, like, he almost had more than all of Tampa had together. St. Brown went on ahead, added another six for 86. Detroit's offensive line was working doing nothing. The defensive line was working doing their thing. Had Baker under pressure all night, dude.

He couldn't step into a lot of his throws. And then some of the throws that, you know, he could step in or couldn't step into, he was just trying to fire him so hard that he was just making high throws to where, you know, the guys just couldn't even, you know, get up to him and get and catch him. And the DBs, dude, the DBs for, for Detroit. Detroit, they did their thing, dude. Oh. Like, how many starters was in there, bro?

It wasn't, what, maybe, what, one or two of them? Maybe one or two. And my man, 23, he was out there walking. He wasn't even supposed to be out there playing. Ballin, making plays, you know what I'm saying? Making plays on the ball. And they're aggressive. I like the way that they get after people punching, stripping the balls out.

Like, my man, Sterling Shepard, he caught it, and then they were able to just, they're ball hawking. They're going after the ball. They're not just having to one-stop. Dude, they're not just tackling. They, they're sure. They're shoring the tackle and punching the ball, dude. Yes, first man secure, second man, get the rock.

Like, you see them vivid. Dude, they're doing it by themselves, secure and punch, dude. He was like, ah, get that back. Mm-hmm, I need that. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Detroit was balling. And that's why I think that team did that because it's an offense and defense. I think they left a lot of things on the table, you know what I'm saying?

But they're an aggressive team going forward on some of the fourth downs, golf throwing some invalid interceptions, you know what I'm saying? And that normally doesn't happen. But you see, when they start giving the ball to Gibbs, get the ball in his hands, let that thing go and then play action and throw it to Amarase Brown. You know what I'm saying? He's very, they have so many. But you got to realize they got a two-headed monster over there.

They got Gibbs and Montgomery. They do. Usually if one ain't going, the other one is. So it's kind of hard to bottle up, you know, two guys like that, especially when you're giving them enough, you know, you're giving them enough touches, you know. It's hard to keep that going, you know. I'm rocking with what I see with Detroit, though. They look like a really good team.

I'm saying? They had a couple little miscues, you know what I'm saying? That game couldn't have, it didn't have to be that close. You know what I'm saying? I thought they were able to blow them dudes completely out because every time they thought they was going to get a chance, their defense will make a play and get a ball back to the offense. They're like, all right, bet, now we're going to go handle this.

So, I mean, shout out to the Lions. They look good with. I'm not, I'm not discouraged with Tampa. Everybody's like, oh, Baker, this, da, da, no. I'm not, no, I'm not, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, on that it's not it's not going to be every game that you go get that that amount of pressure on him and have him had that many high aaron throws like you know i still i still believe you know baker is still you know one of the top guys this year so yeah me too and then also him him out there

with he was still trying to do it with a mike evans that was kind of not healthy and him hurting itself man shout out to mike i hope that he's able to heal you know what i'm saying whatever you got to get his surgery or whatever it is yeah he broke his clavicle You hate to see that, you hate to see that because he's a, you know, he's a baller great dude. But just that's another reason why, like he, him and Mbukka was a little injured too out there. So just, I believe in Baker. I believe in offense. This is a one-time thing.

A whole secondary Detroit was depleted, no. Yeah, that's, their next man up balling. And they've been doing that for a while. You know, they were stepping by injuries last year. You know what I'm saying? And then people just, I love, their coach. the right way, in my opinion, too. So I think that coach got next man up.

These dudes better be ready to go, and I think that they're showing them. Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's something that everybody gives lip service too, but there's very few that can go in there and get it done and get some semblance of, you know, the guy that they're replacing. Yeah, especially once they're getting into, you know, they're bringing up practice squad guys and all that other stuff too, you know. Like, that was, that was wild, bro, to see that kind of performance.

Mm-hmm. It's kind of, man, I think that's an example of for sure. Like, next man up, but like you said, too, your coaches have to be able to, like, you got to have them dudes ready to play. You're not just throwing them out there. Yes. Looked ready. You know what I like about Detroit is a lot of their coaches are former players.

Mm-hmm. And when you have a coach, coach in a position or a side. of a ball that has played that position, that side of the ball, for him to give you the nuances of the position, you know, for me, Coach Butler, I give him, I give Coach Bud's all the credit for developing me as a linebacker. Like, he's the guy that taught me to, you know, play something like this or what's the difficulties of this and knowing that, you know what, this is going to be hard to do, but it's difficulties in everybody's position and job. Yeah. And that's something you're going to go out there and you're going to have to do and being able to just foot positioning

of being lined up to where, okay, I'm going to make this job easier. Like instead of lining up with my, you know, outside, outside foot up and, you know, I'm going to rush the passer. That means I got to step with my inside foot first. So if he actually comes to hook me, I just helped him hook me because I'm stepping with the opposite foot. That's why you're always supposed to line up, which you're. inside foot up because your first step is you're outside so if he's coming to hook you you can

jam him and stay there if he's blocking down your planet to be able to squeeze down and close off that gap like you know it's things like that and they have a lot of coaches they got um i believe they got the shay townsen he's the he's the um db db coach i believe they have um Antoine Rendell, I believe he's over there, too. The de-coordinator is a former linebacker, you know, like when you, and when you look at his, you know, just how long has he been there in Detroit, the head coach? When you look at his coaching tree, like, it's spread out,

and he's only been there, what, six years or so? Yeah. Four or five, something like that, four to six years? I don't, you know, it hasn't been that long. It hasn't been that long. Right. And, you know, he got guys spread all over the place. You know, and he's not afraid to put, you know, people in positions to, to help advance them, even though that may mean he may lose some credibility, but you don't lose the credibility.

You gain it because you're putting people in there that you're seeing a potential of and they're going out and having success. And when you have that, dude, that's, you know, that just speaks to what kind of coach he is, you know, what kind of leader he is. No, 1,000 percent, because that's, that it speaks volumes. because at the end of the day, when you watch that stuff, man, and like you said, when you had a coach that played the position and can show you nuances and the kind of-in. I'm buying in. And it can also tell you, you can't do everything.

Like, I need you to handle this. So, but if this happens, that's on the defense. You got to be able to make this play. Like, not everything is your fault. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't be able to, like, having a coach that can understand that part is one of the biggest things. I'm like, man, I can go hard for you because you're not going to be sitting there like,

no, you're supposed to do this, you're supposed to do that. Tell me exactly what I'm going to do. my alignment, my assignment. Some things, I'm going to be able to take away this on this inside leverage. He does not get inside. If he runs an outside, breaking route, it may be a catch and tackle. Next play. That calls on the defense.

I can respect the coach so much harder that can tell me that. Then the man's like, no, he doesn't catch anything. Like, no, out in. Like, a coach told me, if you're trying to cover everything, you're covering nothing. Exactly. And that's something that de-cornerers have to just be like, you know what? If this hits, it's on the defense. You can't try and fix every little situation.

because when you fix the one, you open up two more. Every defense has a weakness. And these coordinators, they're like, hey, if they hit this, it's on us. We've got to just rally and tackle. Yes, there's a tackle. Let's get to do that. And like I said, like, you look at him, I think he got two head coaches already in his coaching tree.

You got, what's his name in Chicago? What's his name? Was Aaron Glenn in Detroit? Aaron Glenn, also. Yes. Ben Johnson in Chicago. you got Aaron Glenn that's in at the Jets like it's guys are going from you know coaching at a positional coach to coordinators to being a coordinator to a head coach like the linebackers coach

look at him right there he's the de-coordinator he like that how many people would have thought that he would be able to do what he's he's been doing like first year de-coordinator like yo you you buy in when it's a former player you buy in when it's a person to actually played the game well, understands the game. It's a lot of guys that play the game well that can't coach it. You know what I'm saying? I understand.

But you got to be able to give a guy a chance, especially when you see what he did as a player and then how he understood the game as a player. I don't, you know, I like what they're doing in Detroit, man. Like Dan Campbell is doing something special, man. He's giving guys chances. He's not afraid to put guys in position. You know, I think some coaches,

may be afraid to have, you know, like, have credit taken away from them. No, you get credit given to you. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's just how it works, you know what I'm? I feel like they hold, I feel like these holding people accountable over there, too. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yes.

Everybody's held accountable. Everybody's held accountable. I think that's a big thing, too. Like, if you're a coach that played and you're not a good coach, you're going to be held accountable. Like, he's not just giving everybody the opportunity, but dudes that are in there, they're balling, like the defensive. coordinators like give him a shot and it's not like no you're just going to get this job this opportunity because this is what you do and hopefully you're good no you're going to be

held to a standard you're going to be able to coach well know what you're doing be able to deliver the message and if you can't do that whatever but if you can he's hiring dudes that obviously can and are bringing the energy bringing the vibes and dudes want to fight for those dudes I could kind of tell like when you watch them play yeah for sure for sure I'm I'm gonna hit like my dude foot Detroit Detroit based foot say hey Detroit I see what y'all doing whatever up don't what up don't look we're going to go over here to seattle man seattle beat seattle beat the texans 29 to 17 brother that was a interesting game bro you know the first you know the first possession of seattle's they they get that little short field they score seven and uh i think

the next possession they ended up getting i think an unnecessary roughness ended up giving an extra 15 next play 12 yard touchdown it's 14 nothing before you even turn your head you know what I'm saying for show like like it's 14 nothing and then later on like I think Houston got it was a safety sack fumble to uh I don't know what happened there they gave them two points then they took the two points away I still I'm still confused on what happened there but they somehow I ended up getting the ball back and they didn't really do anything with it. I think the next possession, Seattle.

Oh, we're talking about the strip. The strip, tell me, do we talking about did Seattle get a touchdown? Does Seattle get a touchdown for it? Houston, I thought, got, well, Seattle got the safety on Houston. No. But then he fumbled the rock. He fumbled the rock and they recovered.

And they said it was a, it was a safety. No, they said it was a safety. Then they said it was a touch. touchback, I don't know. Oh, okay. No, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't, I don't know how that works. Yeah.

Then Seattle goes, and I don't know why they tried to do a trick play. Oh, my gosh. They were balling. Just walking right down in the, the Cooper Cup threw the perfect pick. Through the, hey, the, that man threw the perfect pick, bro. Like, that was. I'm like, usually, you. you get, you know, usually you want to try and make sure it's short, if anything.

Like, he, it was out far and over the head straight to homeboy. Like, man, that wasn't good. That was bad business. Yeah, that was, they was able to get three points off of that. Yeah, you end up three to 14 when the game definitely did not look like a three to 14 game at that point. No, because the Houston, the, um, the, um, Seahawks defense was balling. Yes. They just kept making Houston punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt.

Punt, not the what's happening. Y'all were about to be able to get up 21 egg, walking it down, and then you do, then you out-trick yourself. And then you come back. You get the ball, you drive down there, and right before the two-minute-in-war, you get your field goal block. You're thinking you're going in the halftime, you get your field-go block,

and then they go down and get a field-goat on you. Right. Now, we got an eight-point game now. It's six to 14. It's not supposed to be. that way. It's supposed to be a 21, maybe, probably 21, zero, worst case scenario of 17. Right. Like, I know out. Yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was a, I was a, I was a, I was a, I was a, I was a

little, uh, disappointed. I won't, I won't say, I was just disappointed. I'm always disappointing when defenses don't hold, especially when it's, it's, uh, it don't, it don't, it don't, it don't, it don't, it's a defense playing against the stillers. If they playing against still, I want to fail every time, though. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to, I don't and be able to stop nothing. I have a bad, worst defense a day ever when you're playing against Pittsburgh.

Yeah. And so, you know, you game close. You're thinking it's about to go ahead and your boy go out there and throw them a good pick soon as they come back out. Fresh out of halftime. Second play. Hey.

Second play, boom. No, that was. Here you go. You know, you know that field goals y'all miss here. don't head get it back 17 17 17 76 now man yep you know Seattle get it back Seattle's I think the following possession Seattle ended up getting it and Houston gets a sack fumble bruh for a touchdown bro how'd that happen when see hold on did Seattle got the strip sack Seattle got strip sack Houston yes just the sack

fumble for the touchdown for the touchdown yes that's what i'm saying yes yes yeah it's a fight it's it's a fight it's going up for two they missed the two though it's 1712 and yes his defense is fighting back like they end up they got points without even scoring on office right right dude the offense is not helping them uh-uh seattle able to come back and answer field goal you know and then you get into uh you know you get into the four oh no This is when it gets crazy, Debo. Now, Houston gets the joint on the third. They go forward on third and one and fourth and one.

Right. And it's. But that's nothing to do with, that's your offensive line getting pushed back. Them doing, it was in the backfield on both of those players. They reset the line. The last one, they lost two yards on it, bro. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's not winning football.

You try to go hard. Like, yeah, we're going to get, we can we get a yard? No. Right. You can't. Right. That's, yeah, that's all, that's all on the offensive line. That's, that, that's just offense period. You gave them a short field. They've been going down. You've been, you've been spotty at best on trying to stop them. They score another touchdown. It's 12 to 27, dude.

Yep. I don't, like again, that's it for Houston. That number was actually kind of good depending on, you know, how you look at, how you look at the way they were playing, especially a lot. Yeah, no, for sure. They still, they felt like they still in it. They, they, they, it could have been way uglier than that. Yeah, and Seattle went out and helped them out.

They fumbled the ball. Houston recovers it. That's, that's, you know, early in the fourth quarter. But that, but that, but that's what I'm saying, too. It wasn't even that he, he just accidentally fumbled it. They, they were ripping at the ball. Mm-hmm. They was going, they was going to hold it.

You got to hold it. Got to hold it. They don't get nothing from it, but then. Go and throw an interception. Yes, man. Give it right back to him again. He threw the wrong way. Stingley.

And then the Seattle, so he threw the ball away, then they get the ball back, and then Stingley gets a pit. Mm-hmm. And then they went crazy on the sideline. They got a little shuffling, joy. You see the ref come and cover them up. They can show you get safe. Yeah.

I got you. I got you, I got you. I got you. I got you. Don't look. Don't look. Look, guess what my bad told him? He said, oh, he got him in his fantasy.

I said, y'all better chill. Oh, Houston get a touchdown, though. We just, I think it was just over two minutes left. Yes. Yeah, dude, we didn't dogfight now. 19, well, what could have been dogfight? You know, 19 to 27, you know? And then Seattle, dude, they get that.

Houston, well, Seattle gets the ball. Then Houston gets that unnecessary roughness, dude, on that third down. And basically that gives them the first. They're able to do what they need to do game over. Look at the clock. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude, Houston, dude, they got an offense problem, dude. They can't run the ball at all. They're not consistently on anything. They're not protecting the quarterback. They couldn't at least do anything. I think they sack him, what, three times and hit him another eight, eight, eight, seven, eight, nine times, something like that. you know and then when they get down in the red zone dude they got to they got to score touchdown they can't they can't they can't keep kicking field boats I'm gonna say it was a big time for me it was often it was a lot of offensive line you know just a lot just a certain plays they're getting no push and he's not getting too much protection I think they got to do better on the offensive line side because those third and ones those third and those I mean those third and ones those fourth and ones yeah the fourth one in the third quarter where they didn't get nothing and then you know Seattle goes and gets a touchdown from it that's dude that's a hell of a high point swing right there

along with you know penalties penalty penalty too that kept drives going stop drives all you know all that stuff uh but houston's defense dude you know they're they're bawling but you know like again that the big the big play at the end you know it magnifies when you're towards end but the defense is nowhere near and fall for this it's the offense they got they got they got they got they got to get something done you know seattle of course came out early and jumped on them. But, you know, they were able to hold that, you know, to what they, you know, what they needed to as far as coming in to halftime, you know.

Half time by and all of that started off 14. All that happening. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, you know, the fourth downs, when you're going for it on fourth downs, they went 0 for three. Houston went 0 for three on fourth downs. Like those are bad turnovers, bro.

That's like. Yes. The pressure on the quarterback, the sacks, the hits. Mm-hmm. you know, that's just, that's not, that's not conducive to, you know, winning games, especially, you know, when you're playing against a team that could put points on the board like they did. And that dude, J.S.N. Jack and Smith and Jigba, every time they needed to play, throw it to him, Sam Darno. I think sometimes people would overthink. And if you got one-on-one,

you got man-to-man, and you like your guy over their guy, look off and throw it to him. You know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes it's just that easy to, you know, go against your matchups and sometimes Sam Darner was doing that and then they were using like a good job running the ball too. So shout out to the Seahawks. That was a good game. Texans definitely got to do some shoring up on that line and that run game and protect the season. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, that was, that was, that was Monday night. That was how Monday night went, Debo. So, so, so. But I want to talk about something else. I'll hold on Hold on.

I want to talk about something else for Monday night. So as I was watching the game, I started petting my dog and my dog started talking to me. And he said hi. And I said, hey, how are you doing? And he said, I'm doing fine.

And I said, I'm doing fine. No, see, no, Debo, Debo, Debo, Debo. You just wasting time. No, Debo, Debo, don't even do this right now. You're wasting time. Who? Brown, you. You're talking about some whole other stuff

that we don't even need to talk about. We got to talk about the Sunday games because we missed Monday. You knocked out the Wi-Fi in the whole system so we weren't able to talk about the Sunday football games. So that's what we're about to do right now. Hold on. Hold on.

I just got a call from Jeff Bezos. I think the internet about to go down again. People, stop being foggy. Do you know what time it is? I think the Browns beat the dolphins, the dolphins. Yes. Let's go there. 31 to 6.

I guess I got to go ahead, Joe. How to go? So this is what I'm saying. I ain't see the game, so. The weather, go ahead. The weather was terrible. It was terrible for both teams, but Miami is not used to that. And it was cold.

I don't want to hear Miami, you're professionals. You're in the NFL. It was cold outside. It was raining. Grow up. And a lot of these dudes don't live in Miami all the time. They played in different places. They better be able to know how to play.

playing the wet, in the water, in the snow, in the elements. What are we talking about here? He's just making $40 million, $50 million, $60 million a year. You better be able to play in rain, sleep, snow, or shine. So it doesn't matter. They're a Florida-based team. They're not used to that. But go ahead.

Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Okay. Cry me a river. So, long story short, Browns beat the, Browns beat the Dolphins, 3010. How to go? They won. How?

You want to know how they won? Let me break down. I didn't watch the game. I'm trying to, I want to hear it. I'm going to tell you exactly how they want. I didn't think it was worth watching two one and five teams, but go ahead. This is the thing. So the weather was bad.

So it's not even really a statistical game. Right. So it's in favor of the Browns because Miami. Go ahead. You just need to make sure these are the games when you go in. If you leave the stadium with the win, that's all that matters. Like, you got to go out there with a win. The elements, the weather, you can't really throw the ball as much.

So look, my man. Tua. 12 for 23, three picks, 100 yards passing. Okay, that's tour. Like, what are you talking about? That's what our defense did to tour. We had three interceptions. Tyson Campbell, a pick six.

Welcome to the squad. We had- Toa got benched, bro. Go ahead. Then, Tua got benched. He was supposed to get benched. He had a long day out there messing with the Browns. Hold on, man.

I need to get. Miami, listen, dude. Go ahead. Go ahead. He was fumbling the ball. They gave y'all the ball, okay? Oh, like, what, like, what are we talking about? The Browns only scored a field goal on the first, what, time they scored because Miami got a roughing the passer penalty.

Like, come on. Miami was helping y'all. And then, I didn't watch the game. I'm just hearing this stuff. That's how bad it was. I heard they called a fake PI on my guy. that took away an interception

like the next play I believe they went on hitting Yeah he ran a 48-yard touchdown right after that I didn't say that that that play was that That play was a little janky I didn't think they're making Miami discombobobulated man They were discombobulated

Miami had 11 penalties they were hurting themselves They did 11 penalties for 103 yards Thank you Miami was hurting it was hurting The Cleveland Brown's offense We had Juckins he ran for He ran for 86 yards and three touchdowns But I'm telling you, this is what it was. The defense balled out.

The defense balled out and... Miami's special team sold out. And special teams. And special teams. Right here. First drive Browns, punt. First drive, dolphins, punt. Second drive Browns.

We ended up getting down there, Juckins, getting it done. We get three. We go up three zero. No, you get three because of a rough in the past. I don't even want to hear that. We get down there. Okay, go ahead. I didn't watch, but go ahead.

All right. Yeah, you must have. So then, I'm sorry. I'm saying, too, the good thing, the thing was that we only, the Browns offense, we only had 206 total yards. The dolphins had 219 total yards. We only had 100. Right, they should have beat y'all.

No, no, not because of that. It's called, it's called three turnovers on three turn, three interceptions and one and a fumble. That's, it's bad weather. They can't, they're cold. So why didn't we turn the ball over? Anything below 60 degrees, they cold. Won't we plan in the same?

Won't we playing in the same stadium? In trash situations? No, no, nope, nope, nope, don't want to hear it. So they didn't get y'all a whole. H. Chan gets the ball, runs it all the way down. Tyson Campbell again, I love him. He's probably going to be my defense in MVP because his effort. He ran down H.N.

when he tried to score on their drive, whatever. Stop something. We get a stop. They end up getting three. Boom. Next drive. We get some, this is my other thing. The fake P.I.

like you said, and then Juckins gets to 45 y'all. Yes. Thank you. It was a fake PI. That's when we go up 10.3. Okay. That's when we go up 103. Okay. It did happen. Okay. Then soon after that 103, we kicked the ball off. The kickoff return of soul. Help it comes down there and makes the play. Makes them cough the ball up. How about you protect the ball? We also had kickoff returns. We didn't have fumble it. That's on Miami. So, boom, fumble the ball. Give it back to the Browns. Correct? Correct.

get the ball again go down wild cat wild cat so we get the ball to juckins like man you know what bump it you just take it straight from the center i get it tutty now we're up 17 3 miami gets the ball again and what they do pun yeah yeah damn right then the browns get the ball back we punt Miami gets the ball back i i could have swore i seen the 6-17 halftime school i mean oh no i'm about to tell you we punt and then Miami gets the ball back. Tyson Campbell. Look, this one they try to score.

This is Tyson Campbell again. They try to dry the ball down. He gets to break up in the end zone. Like I got lovely. And he ended up getting the field goal. Go in to halftime, 176. Fresh out of halftime. 176.

Miami gets the ball. What does Tua do? Say here. Here we go. Here we go. Tip off the hands. My man Tyson Campbell again. six coming off the first play out of halftime.

So now we're up 24 to 6. And this is why, like, it doesn't matter how you do it. This is the, the offense didn't even have to come back on the field and we're up 24, 6. We were 17 and 6. All they thought they were- Two was your best player! Is that my bad? Is that my fault that he's the quarterback for the Miami Dolphins that they brought

into that stadium to start for that team and tried to leave with a victory? No, it's not. So he threw the ball to us. And my man took it to the crib. boom then they get the ball back thinking sweet miles garrett welcome to the show third and eleven sit down son so this when the defense is bawling

my whole thing is okay okay yeah sit down sit down miles you all got the best defense yeah that is true they get the ball I ain't tripping they get the ball again let me have my shine let me have my shine yeah let me have my shine okay because then they start driving it again and on fourth and eight

they try to run up, they're trying to go for it on fourth down, throw a little slant, and guess who's in the hole? Delpit and cracks that man, one yard short, turn off on downs. Do y'all feel silly? Yes, they do. Browns get the ball back again. We pun it. No, no, we don't, we don't, we don't.

We get the ball. All right, returns to the, oh, my goodness, no, Browns get the ball. We punt, punt him down to the one-yard line, we didn't do nothing. Then, two is in the end zone. Try and get it. Try and figure it out. It's a lot of pressure. Oh, my goodness, everybody's here.

I have to throw it. Boom. Rashid Jenkins, pick. Almost another pick six for points. Without the offense doesn't even have to go out there and do nothing. The defense is bringing it down to the one yard line. Pick by two or to the one. Hey, I ain't going to lie to you.

Without your defense, y'all look at your defense. That's like without my arms, without my arms, I wouldn't be able to play basketball. What are we talking about here? Of course, you need the defense to be nice. You better have a defense. You're talking to. I'm talking to you, Debo. I'm talking to you now.

You know why? Because you've been real disrespectful. You'll be real disrespectful. Dude. Yeah. So, no, but I say all of this to say, the Browns had a really good defensive effort. Okay.

And they were putting the offense in positions to win. The offense did not. No, no, no, defense won the game period. Office ain't do nothing. Your boy had 160 yards. We had 26 yards total. Well, your boy, your boy, Dylan, had, 200, I had 116 yards.

Yes. Yes. I would just give me. Tool was your best player, though, because the defense was cold. I ain't going to lie. Defense nights. I ain't go lie. Defense night. I'm going to get defense credit because I'm going to be this guy.

Okay. But 12 or 23, 400 yards, three picks, that's two. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look. How many of them pitch was real hard to get to? I'm telling, I mean, look, okay. A couple of, none of them.

None of them. Was it real athletic plays to get to the wall? Was it anything like, oh, he went and he just made a, you know, he just made a hellified play. I mean, no, no for real, no, honestly. I think my man, the hardest one, the hardest one, the hardest one that he caught. When the center field safety was like this, give me this one, too, come on, tool, give it to me.

And then he kind of. He gave him to and two and two. He tried to look him off. He tried to look him off. He didn't try to look him off. He didn't try to look him off. You try to look him off. You try, see, see, Joe, that's what I'm saying, man.

But listen, man, I'm just saying, I'm going to get a defense to credit. I'm going to get a defense credit because you got to do it. You got to make plays because it's been situations where I see the stillest. They don't got balls in their hands. They don't catch them. They don't get them. They don't catch them. Straight to him.

I understand that. So, you know. But when you got a head coach, like, you know, Daniels that says, you know, he can, you know, he can. it is i don't i mean when you look at it you got to listen to this guy's interviews like it's what do you say after the game he said a whole lot of nothing debo he's it here go there's a lot of guys that uh will uh have an important work week uh because uh we're not uh because if you are uh negatively

affecting the football team uh routinely um i don't have a choice but to um but you know um to assess the different player and I have to coach a lot better as well and yeah we're going to find out like who and what we're made of like yeah

yeah they need hard knocks in his meeting rooms they need to go to hard hard knocks you got to go in Miami if he's still there y'all got to be in Miami this will be your highest rated hard knocks ever promise you

thousand percent when this dude talks i get confused i start feeling like i don't lost where i'm at what's going on he starts a sentence he doesn't finish it and then how you go from a uh to we're going to do and you didn't say nothing yeah that is who is the head coach for the miami dog yeah that that that's crazy to me that's crazy to me now you like toa said you got players that don't even go to players meetings don't show up or not or aren't there on time and even don't show up so you got no leadership anywhere the coaches the players is disrespectful everywhere we got to clean out everybody the coaches got to go the players got to go and you just said that you set him down because you got to see what other players can do so you are you saying it's over with for him like what's i think he did i think he still said this too I think it's still starting them this week coming up. Huh? How you go evaluate other players in the...

See? And then you do this. Not... Mm-hmm. And you're all happy about being now. Yeah, y'all real happy about being there. Dibbo, you know, I'm happy when the Browns win. I talked about the way it happened and how it happened.

I'm not saying that that was an offensive performance for the ages. I'm saying when you come out there and it's a rainy, wet day, and that team doesn't do well and you're making those plays you're making those picks you're making those turnovers you're punching out that ball Juckins is running it

through the end zone they're getting in positions the offense was not I didn't say one thing about how good the office did besides Juckins running the ball well because he had three touchdowns

and when we needed him he did what he had to do well you think so you know you got your fans they're calling for Stavansky to be fired saying that you know the problem

is him rather than the Browns quarterbacks. They said shit, Deshaun Washington. He even liked a video talking about Stavansky on TikTok. Like, Joe. Man, so I think that the... You got a problem with Deshaun doing this, liking the video that's saying that's talking trash on a... Defansky?

while you're not playing with the team, I think I wouldn't want anything that's a distraction. I think it's a distraction. And I don't like for anything to be a distraction for him to be doing it, especially when you're not playing right now, especially when you're healthy enough to play or is they just saying. No, no, no, no. When you're not on the, even if you're not healthy enough to play,

that means just that's even more reason to just stay out the way because you're not going to be able to do. Oh, I was just asking personally. No, no, no, I don't think, I don't think he's healthy enough to play yet. I think he's getting, getting close. to where he's going to be able to get out there and start throwing the ball again. But I don't think when you're not actively on the team, and even if you are, this is just more things for,

this is just more clickbait, more people to talk about stuff and more reasons for, like, even for you to be brought up. If it was me, I'm Deshaun Watson, I'm making $230 million. I'm still making $40 million a year. And I haven't been as productive as I would want to as my contract heals.

I would just be trying to stay out the way, getting ready, getting right, and trying to get back out there. Talking about the coach and liking tweets and stuff, that's just going to bring, end of the day, if you don't like them, and this is just something that you've been wanting to say for a while, I mean, it is what it is. Now, with social media, man, everybody's shooting at him. You think that he was the reason why he didn't help you out in your, and getting you better during your time in Cleveland?

Go ahead, man. Say what you got to say because nobody's, I'm not in your position. That wasn't me. I wasn't there. And if you think that he should be out of there and he definitely, you know, didn't help in your growth for sure that's not that's not my place to say because i don't know but he does but just knowing that what's it's going to bring to your team what's going to bring questions on the coach and if he does want him to get out there if you doesn't if he doesn't want

to get fired that's the perfect way to do it boom yeah like that you know what's saying everybody it's already transgo man i'm not a big so fancy fan i don't think the office has been doing what it needs to do i think that needs there can be a new voice and i don't think he has the power to just be bringing it i don't think he's playing with kind of who he can play with think he has to control to move all the pieces and I don't think it's say in, I think, Andrew Barry and Mr. Haslam. Andrew Barry and Haslums are definitely, I think, over top of what his control is. I don't think he has control of his players or who he brings in or who he takes out.

I definitely don't. Well, according to ESPN Pittsburgh, they said there's two different sources that say Shador Sanders will play for the Pittsburgh, I mean, sorry, we'll play for the Browns. Okay. One said Chador will start the last four games of the season no matter what. The last four games are against Bears, Bills, Stillers, and the Bengals. What do you think of this? The other source said that sure, Shador may take over sooner than that.

You think this is real? You think it's a possibility. Is it something that you would want to see? do you think Dylan needs to be switched out and them give a chance to Shador? This is what I'm saying. I think Dylan hasn't been, and this is just my honest opinion, I don't think Dylan has done enough to, like, he's not helping, he's not hurting the team, but he's not helping the team.

There's a game management, game changers, a superstar, all that, like a franchise quarterback, he's not giving me franchise quarterback vibes. And that's just how I feel about it. He's able to go, he went 13 for 18, 116 yards, zero interceptions, zero picks. That's another zero picks, zero interceptions. You're not hurting me, but you're not helping me. So I don't know how big, how high a ceiling is. So at the end of the day, he's going to get a couple more games, in my opinion.

I would still give him because he didn't lose. He won the game. He didn't do anything bad. Like, he didn't turn the ball over. They ended the juggins. So control the game. You want to get out that with a win. The defense played well, the special teams played well.

We won 31 to 6. Not, like, you didn't hurt us. You didn't help us. So we're not going to just pull you out of the game. You know what I'm saying? So I just think we should continue to give him another, like, I would say another two, three, four games. Two, two, three games. If he starts doing better, we can start winning, he just, I'm not, I'm not mad at him

because you don't want to just be like, no, this is a good enough. I don't say, you're not a superstar, you're not a franchise quarterback. Go to the bench. I think that you can have, see what he can do, give him a couple more times. just open up the playbook let's see Gilbert I mean tell him Dylan Gabriel like let's see what we can do like let it rip you know what I'm saying

like let's see if again I understand you're being comfortable they tried to let it rip they gave me 50 something passes against the Steelers but he's through 30 but like but 57 passes but like probably seven but 10 of them that past 10 yards he's digging and dunking he's dumping the ball that's what he got to take

man I'm not hearing none of that I'm like it if you got an outside and there's man to man that we do have a single box in this man. Okay, so say he goes and they don't win, but he's not the reason they're losing, but he's also not the reason they're winning. Do you give Shador that chance? Do you think Shador gives more of a, uh, yes, to a defense than he would?

I do. Why is that? I do. I think he's going to, because he's going to give us a better, he's going to throw the ball down the field. I think he's going to give us a chance, like anticipating throwing dig balls, throwing a post on time, throwing fade balls. if he sees that it's man-to-man giving his receiver a chance.

I like dealing, I mean, I just don't think he's giving our receivers a chance as much. You keep dumping the ball down, down, but like, let's throw some things, let's throw some posts. And some of the things, I see him open. When he does that play action, you come up and you just patent it a little bit too long because you don't want to throw a interception. So you just, you know what I'm saying, check it down. Instead of, there's an opportunity open, throw it. Nah, I don't know, boom.

You know what I'm saying? I want to be able to be like, no, bump that. There is the opportunity. Let me throw that because I know I can make a play and help the team out instead of like, all right, let me just be cautious. Let me be controlled. Let me not fuck it up. No.

Sometimes I need you to let that thing go. Yeah, I believe that if he doesn't start to do things that actually help them win, instead of not doing things that, you know, help them lose, I think you have to. And you're not winning. You have to give, you have to give Shador a chance to go out there and see what he can do with all the weapons, all the starters, and give him that opportunity. I would say so, well, because I mean, I think Dylan gets his just due. We're giving him as many. He got his first start out there in Minnesota, then he got another one.

And I think, what is his third start? His third start, he has a win. So I'm not, like, knocking what he's doing, but I'm like, I'm not seeing anything. thing that's like, you're taking us somewhere. You know what I'm saying? And that's not in a bad way. But like, when you look at the quarterbacks, like franchise guys, like, all right, bet, like, I want the ball in his hands.

He's going to be able to gain, like, he's going to be able to make a play for us. You know what I'm saying? So I just want him to, maybe he has it in him, but just kind of like let it rip sometimes. Like, instead of doing those jumpoffs, when you see it, you know what I'm saying, anticipation, throw in the ball, like, get it out. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a lot of people that want to, want to see, you know, either,

Dylan do better or a chance for Sador to go out there and show what he could do. Speaking to that, Isaiah Rogers had a bad day. Football on football field

Sunday. But he got some messages, bro. Like, these people tripping, dude. It's nothing deserves for a dude to get some messages. Like, can we even show these messages? Like, can we even show these messages?

these words on the screen um yeah so it's some it's some stuff in there you know f this f that i'm trying to slow down on my cousin a little bit you know for sure me too my mom called me yeah yeah so you know you suck you know word word that starts with the letter in but it's it's not niggas it's the hard er you know what i'm saying um Called a man worse than Hitler. Like, come on. Like, that deserves nothing. And then he wanted to try and backpedal

after he realized he snapped it and sent it over. Now you want to talk about you, sorry. I know it was wrong. Nah, no, we can't do all that. You ever got anything? I could tell you right now, bro. How do you feel about that, Debo?

No, bro. I got stuff. like that, when I went to, uh, when I went to New England, bruh, inbox crazy. In this, in that, blah, blah, blah, whoo, whoop, your mama, your daddy, your grandmama. This is supposed to be from Stillers fans, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's the problem with fans.

Fans are loyal to a, a actual organization. You know what I'm saying? They're not loyal to them. to the player and they don't realize that this is a business and then people just get out of bounds they like you out of bounds with just stepping sideways that's not something you would stay to his face though not even not even close and i know it and when you go and you do things like this and you snap that they had one time where some dude said something about uh me and it was something like tom brady like this and that you're doing this and that and he was sent so i screenshot and i posted it up

oh, he had to shut his page down and all that. Like, when you people do this, like, listen, when you people do this, like, some people actually take time to find out, like, who you are if your page is real and all that and save this in their files. Like, I'm one of them people. Like, y'all got, you know, dummy pages. Everybody else got dummy pages, too. They go look at your page and figure out if you're a real person. screenshot already snapshots saved and make sure you're real

and then put it out there so that you can stand on what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying? Like this is not hard to get the evidence on you and put it out there and all that stuff. So when you say something, same thing I tell my kid is like,

yo, if you go say something or you go tweet something, you go write something out. When you write that out and put it out there, make sure that it's something that you're okay with, the whole world knowing, seeing, and reacting to. Like, you got to put these fans, all these people that want to be in your inbox and start doing goofy stuff like that.

Of course, you got to make sure the page is real. You can't just put it out there because I get a whole bunch of them from little dummy pages, you know, all that stuff. But this ankle is no part of this that should be in our society period, especially, you know, especially the racist part of it. But we understand, like, you suck and all the other stuff. I can take that. That's just criticism.

You know what I'm saying? A fan, you know, trader, you know, you're a traitor. You know, you're a traitor to, no, I'm not. I'm a, I'm an employee that no longer, they were no longer one of my services. So I went to somewhere else where they wanted my services. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, this is business. These are common.

If Channel 2 don't want you And Channel 4 do, you go to Channel 4 You don't hear Channel 2 talking about You a traitor, no What's your take on this, man? What's your advice that you would give Rogers? My advice is, I had a lot of the same stuff like you said, Debo.

When we play for the Browns and people would just talk crazy when you would lose, I would say sometimes you don't want to you don't want to let people, like some of the stuff when people say it's easy to ignore it. You don't want people to like rock with your emotions at the end of the day because at the end of the day, these people are on Instagram, Twitter.

They're watching you play a sport and a game that we love. When I first got into it, I would get my feelings and people would talk. You know what I'm saying about you? Because you're trying to do a good job. You don't like not used to people really talking about you like that. I would say ignore them. And then at the same time, like these dudes are like a lot of them just want your attention. Because the same way, when I, when you would snap back and

do but oh my god i can't believe it's you like you really wrote back to me i'm like hey you had me really in my feelings like really mad you know what i'm saying and you just was just talking because like the access that they are able to have to professional athletes i don't think sometimes you can it's good because you can give them an insight and like like let them know you're a real person but at the same time they feel like they can touch you like they can make you feel some type of way so i'm like don't not not literally touch you but like you can read up you're going to see what they're saying so i'm like with that you don't want to give them a lot of it is like you know what's up you know what's going on so sometimes with me i wouldn't even

really look at the stuff because it's like what if they tell you good things is that is that making you happy like no letting people control you know what i'm saying like how your mood is because of what people are saying on your stuff so i kind of be just awesome like i don't know these people you know what i'm saying so i just kind of really didn't let it didn't try to not let it hit me as much yeah i don't i i like i like to look at it because i need the negative stuff that's how I'm over it. I want to see all the negative stuff. But when you step over that,

you step over that boundary, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Of a personal, like, racial insouce. That's real hate, of real hate. Right.

You burn in my jersey and all that. Go ahead, burn it. Because you ended up probably buying another one I came back in 14 anyway. I mean, when I came back after, after, you know, they do the jersey sale anyway.

So I ain't true. Yeah. You went and got. another one who cares i don't know but like like i said 13 13 when i went to cincinnati you know but when i went to new england dude they lost their mind and that's something else i'm telling dude's like don't even get this dude a response like he's trying to get a response from you bro yeah like that's what he wants to be able to know that the message that he sent got to you and you was mad enough to respond back and i'm like yo you can't respond back to this because if

you respond back and you shoot at him and you say something crazy he's He's going to repost what you said to him. You're going to get fined and nothing's going to happen to him. Like, don't even give him it. Like, who cares? Like, use that as motivation fuel for your fire. Like, I don't know. Because you know how that is, but like you said, too,

people be weirdos. People just be straight weirdos. Right, right in this, like, mean things to people just trying to get a reaction. Right. You're trying to get a reaction. You try to be seeing. You want you, you know, you want to be heard. That's why everybody got social media.

everybody want to be heard. So Sunday, we're about to play the Packers, bro, right? Ooh, hey, Rob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for show, for show, for show. But, hey, say, we, we again, okay? Yeah, come on. But Sunday's game between the Packers and Steelers isn't about Aaron Rogers. Matt LaFure said, he said, we're playing the Pittsburgh Steelers who happened to have Aaron

Rogers. It's as simple as that. that is for you guys to talk about. Granted, I mean, we've got a lot of love and respect for Aaron, what he's done here. I mean, he's a Hall of Famer. And I know, like our past together, we had a lot of great moments. But this game is not about that. What you put on that, Joe?

Joe, what you, you think he's just, Given lip service, you think he's just saying the right thing? Reverse psychology, you know. Yeah, man. I think he's just being a smart, like, just a good coach, you know, not trying to make anything extra over what it is. He knows him and Aaron Wright. They had a relationship.

He just don't want to bring anything up extra. I think Aaron Rogers, just personally, though, he definitely wants to be Aaron Rogers. He definitely thinks that he wants to make sure Like, they made the right decision. It is, it is like that you could still have Aaron Rogers and you don't. He's going against you. So it's kind of like.

So what do you think the bigger statement, bigger statement win would be like Aaron Rogers taking down his former team or George Love outplaying the old man? See, that's what I'm saying. I think A-Rah, the better one would be for us, for us still, for we, for we is going to be A-Rah outplayed. The ARIL outplayed, Jordan Love, Packers made the wrong decision, moving on. That's what be the bigger joint.

I think I don't care about him outplaying him. He could outplay him and we could still lose. Aaron winning and taking down his former team is the biggest statement to me. Like, yeah, I don't, if Aaron go out there and do foe, you know, four-five touchdowns, 400 yards, whatever it may be, and the defense don't do nothing, and we lose that game. Like, don't know, at least me personally, I don't care how big my numbers is if we lose the game.

They wouldn't big enough for me, you know what I'm saying? So I asked you, so you wouldn't be mad if he did a 13 for 18, 116 yards, zero touchdowns, and we win. And you win. Yes I ain't mad Listen Hey

Debo Debo We're not going to apologize for winning Debo That's what we're not going to do We're not going to

apologize for winning Hey The Browns didn't For me Miami So what we look like Debo

What we're not going to do Debo is apologize for winning What we're not going to do is apologize

for winning and a A. Hey, bro. Hey. Oh, man. Okay, no, for show, I'm with you. Debo, I am with you 100%. No question.

The bigger thing is, with the Steelers, we know he could throw for four-time challenge. We know he could throw, he's not, he's Aaron Rogers. But what we want to do is lead the state in with a dub. So I'm 1,000% with you on now what the biggest statement is, the Steelers beat the Packers. Aaron Rogers, taking down his former squad. Yeah, speaking of,

Former, former squad, Justin Fields got benched over there in New York, man. They just gave him a two-year, $40 million deal, $30 guaranteed. And it looks like they only needed six and a half games to realize he ain't the answer. Is it time? Do you think it's time for them to give up? Get it moving? It looks like they done did it, law. They didn't set him down.

All I know is, Justin Fields, when I watched that last game they just had in London, and that was one of the worst offensive performances I've seen in a long time. And I know he's the athlete. I love Justin Fields as a person, but I don't know what's going on. Their offense probably had less than 100 yards. Like, it just doesn't look good.

He's not throwing the ball on time. He's making, it's taking them a while to make some decisions, and they're just not, it just not looking good. You can't keep doing the same thing. That defense deserved to win a couple of these games. The defense has been playing great. You know what I'm saying? it's not their fault.

You need something from your offense. And Justin Fields hasn't been able to do it. I mean any harm to say it, but like when you're just watching the tape, I like him as a person, like him as all that, but he's not getting the job done. And this is a what for you done for me lately business, and he hasn't done anything for them lately. So I don't think that he's the answer. And I'm walking away with 30 no matter what.

He going to get that. But at the same time, like, you're going to keep on you, you're going to lose on the shield of you paid them 30 so we're going to go ahead and just walk it down or you want to try to figure out something else because you know 30 is 30 but we got other teams my man the brownies got 131 still left that they're trying to figure out so it can be done it can be done you can move on it's going to hurt you're going to have to bite that pill that 30ms but if you if you're really trying to win right now it doesn't look like feels is doing on the offensive side and I didn't and it pains me to say that yeah I think I think this I think this this this this

This might be it. They go go on head and they'll keep them because they got the guaranteed money in him. And they go try and get that. I mean, right now they're fighting for a first pick anyway. So they've got an opportunity to go out there and hopefully try and find somebody that they see a little bit more potentially. Jumping back to Sunday, the Rams, dude. They flew into an international game the day before and immediately headed back out. And they went on ahead and whipped them boys.

35 to 7. It worked out. So here's my take on this. So I don't like going in early to a game, especially when you got like an international game or something like this. What it turns into is you have four, five days there. So now you got all your family, your friends,

you got all this extra stuff going on here and there. And they're thinking they're on vacation. This ain't, this ain't, this ain't a vacation. I'm here to work. I'm here to get a job done. But they're like vacation. So they're planning to do this, do that, all this other stuff,

distracting the guys from doing this and that. Not to mention, like, the staff. So now you've got all these families over here. Now the staff that usually helps you is now trying to help the families and all that, along with their other responsibilities and duties. I like the idea of going in and out, getting the job done and going home. I think that's the best way to do it, me personally, because now I don't add all those other factors into it

where it turned into a mini vacation for everybody else. And now you're being the person to have to drag along and do all this other stuff along with practice. And the focus is not the focus, which is winning a game. Like, what do you think? You think this could be the next wave since they just seen the Rams do it and do it convincingly? Debo, I'm with you 1,000.

My thing is, on those games, on those business trips, when we're going to London, we're not going to see London. I don't care. I can go during the offseason. Like, we can go take a trip to that hotel. We can go literally have a good time. These trips are business trips. Like, I'm really trying to get there, get my body right, watch tape. When I get there for long periods of time, I start getting nervous and, like, antsy because it's like, we're here to do a job.

The game is in four days. There's nothing I'm going to be able to do. Like, I'm going to get practice. I'm going to have my schedule right. the family and friends we're on a trip we're overseas like we're about to go see

the Louvre we're about to go see all the stuff that they got to offer I'm good on that we can go there during the off season and we can go see everything you want to see but these four days

like that and that's crazy I don't even need to have to worry about bringing you here if I'm in and out in you know a 36 hour time frame like yo in and out there's no discussion on

hey let's do this like no I'm going to work I'm going to be right back yes i'm going to be right back dude like i'm going to work hey man we we got a few other things you want to catch up on if you want to stick here since we missed yesterday which you you good see yep yeah you know i tried to i didn't try i'm sorry uh jeff bezos did that messes up that was all you brother that wasn't me bro i'm trying to tell you i'm listen but you let me get my browns talk in so i appreciate i let yeah i'm i ain't gonna lie like i said

Y'all got a good defense over there, man. Y'all, y'all got a good, y'all got a good defense over there. And if it, if it wasn't for your defense, y'all would be 0 and 7 instead of, who is it, 2 and 5? Yeah. Like, if it wasn't for your defense. That is a filthy fat. That is a filthy fat. Hey, Joe.

Yo. Somebody got fired. Yes, he did. Who got fired, Joe? man billy napier man coach for the gators man bought my dog out 20 million

they got to get my man 20 million and they got to give them 10 of it in the next 30 days yep yep hey man what Florida go do from here man where they go what's going down this I'm saying Florida

we need a great great coach and you know who I'm thinking that who we need to go get he's in the SEC where i'm not mad at it because i'm loving his recruiting style but first of all let me talk about our interim coach interim coach that we have right now billy gonzalez he was my recruiting coordinator he recruited me to come to florida he was a wide receiver coached there during a national challenge billy gonzalez did he ever coached at k state i don't know if he coached k i don't know if he coached can't state i don't think i think he coached receivers at kent when i was up

there hold up now we got we got to check it up i only known billy g when he was in uh at florida though He recruited me, came to my state championship game, my senior year in Maryland at Baltimore Raven Stadium, great dude, great coach. So he's the interim coach right now, loving him. He's a recruiting guy. That's what we need to get back to, too. He recruited me, and he's great at recruits. And that's why they, when we got rid of Napier, and moved him in so he can keep the recruits,

so everybody's good. Hey, yes. Can he recruit in this era? No, that's why I'm, but that's why I'm bringing you to where he's here, but I'm telling you of the other, if we, the head coach that I want. I want him to be that. It's probably like the offensive coordinator. Maybe still receivers called offensive coordinator, but I want to.

Hey, he was the wide receivers and running back dude for us at Kent from 19, the 2001. That's crazy. That's Benny G. He was a receiver coach of Florida. Yeah, I knew I knew that name, man. I'm like, no, he was on my staff when I played in Kent. See, so we got to go to a Gator game. Go see Coach G.

We got, we got, yeah, we go have to, yeah, we check it out. For sure. Coach G. I love Coach G. I think he's going to be great. But I will want, with the way it's going now, I need Florida to get a real, a guy. And I'm going to throw it out in the bucket.

I want us to get Lane Kiffin. Lang Kiffin? I think if we got Lane Kiffin, the energy he's bringing, the vibes he's bringing, and with the recruits, I think he, because the way he's doing Ole Miss,

we can have Florida back on point. I think he would do it. I think he could do it. I'm going to just put that out there. Yep. That's who you want. That's who I want. I want Lane Kiffin.

What about, what about, what about, what about Billy G? I'm just saying, I would, if Billy, I'm, I'm with Lane Kippen or Billy G. I'm not mad at it. I love Billy G as the head coach right now. Okay, but what if you get Lane Kiffin, but you lose Billy G. You say he's great for recruiting. I know, I think, well, that's what I'm saying. He was recruiting. That was back in the day, Debo. I mean, I hope he's, I know he still, you know, he probably still got some, some, some stuff that he knows.

But I don't know. He recruited me back in, what was that? So the times have changed. So that's what I'm saying that we could just get, I love Billy. Billy could do it. Billy, he was there during the golden years. He's seen what it was when we needed when that easy,

with national championships at Florida. That's what I'm talking about. So he's been in at Florida since you were there. He left. He came back. He came back with Coach Dan Mullen. Okay. Yes.

He came back with Mullen. Okay. All right. Who are your player of the week, dude? Who you got? Who you got for your defensive player of the week? Tyson Campbell. The new corner for the Browns with his pick six, his PBIUs, his rundown of A.

A. Chan, A.C.N. about four three. He walked him down, prevented the touchdown. So we're going to go with him. He's fresh off the boat right over there playing man to man, strapping. Pick, six, and stand up. Stand up, Tyson, Campbell. Stand up. Can you ask me, who minds this?

Well, then, Debo, who do you have? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Tyson got me hype. Yeah, yeah. Who's your defensive player, Debo? I hate, I hate, I got to do this.

You got to get credit with credit, dude. Yes, you do. We got the same one, bro. Yeah. Yes, you watch the game. Hey, you watch the game. Hey, we're going to see what he do against them Patriots, though. We're going to see.

I'm here. I'm in New England now. Don't forget that. Yes, sir. We're going to see. Hey, Tua? Man, I probably could have did that against Tua. Just put, at where I'm at right now, today, at 47 years old.

I'm just saying. All right. We're going to see. We going to see. Now, I ain't never played, I ain't never played DB in my life. But the way that went, I think I could have did. But look here, man, we want to thank y'all for joining us for this episode of Debo and Joe, man. We let Joe go on head and get off his brown stuff, man.

Hey, big ups, I ain't going to lie. I had a Brown's defense. He had a fit on yesterday. You know what's so crazy. I ended up accidentally wearing like a chocolate brown shirt yesterday, too, because I thought it was black, but it wasn't. Oh, see. But, hey, please make sure you guys. guys like and subscribe you don't want to miss nothing we'll be back here at it on Friday

Joe what you got my brother Debo we will be back on Friday I appreciate you I appreciate you for giving the Browns a little bit of love I appreciate that I for the defensive player in a week that you have and my good man I will see you on Friday we out This is an IHeart podcast.