Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Ravens defensive DUD in Lions loss, Prime calls out Travis Hunter's usage

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football where Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions defeated Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens to conclude Week 3 of the NFL Season. Later, they react to the news that San Francisco 49ers edge rusher Nick Bosa has torn his ACL, the ongoing turmoil in Atlanta as Falcons QB Michael Penix Jr. struggles and rumors of Kirk Cousins reclaiming the starting role, and much more! Timeline00:00 - Lions Beat Ravens21:35 - Packers Coach not happy with undefeated talk27:35 - No Tribute for Micah32:30 - Travis Hunter - Coach Prime “They aren’t using him enough”38:00 - Nick Bosa tears ACL43:00 - Falcons fire WR coach51:53 - Defensive Player of the Week   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host. Joe Hayden, please make sure you guys like and subscribe to our channel. You don't want to miss nothing. How are you doing today, Joe?

Man, I'm doing good, brother, Debo. Man, always good. After a great day, night or watch a football. man how you feel it you know i'm feeling real good man anytime you know the ravens lose there's only one thing that's better than that and that's a you know that's a still a win okay no for sure sure you know i can't think of nothing else you know the raven's going there and they get beat 38 to you know 38 30 at their crib at they crib here's the craziest thing it's like i'm listening to the announcers like before the game and they're talking about how

you know, the Ravens defense is so stacked. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, hmm, they gave up 400 and some chains to Buffalo. Cleveland don't really count, but they still gave up 5.2 a carry. You know what I'm saying? It was on the field for 70 plays, lost the time of possession,

this vaunted defense that can't seem to get off the field. And the first player to drive, What Detroit do? They go down there. 11 plays is no resistance. They score. And I'm sitting there like, whoa, okay. Maybe, you know, maybe they're just lacking.

Baltimore comes in. I really didn't expect them to go down that fast and just score seven. I think it was only like five or six plays or something. Yeah, Lamar made it look easy. Derek Henry. Right. I'm like, okay, okay. Maybe it's going to be one of the games I really not too comfortable with.

It's high-scoring games. I don't really like high-scoring games. I prefer for the Ravens to lose every time. But I just, I don't like high-scoring games. The very next possession, dude, the punter, the punt returner, he makes a horrible decision. I'm like, this is going. This looks like it might be going sideways. They didn't put them inside the two, bro.

Yes. And I'm like, okay, let's see what's going to happen here? But again, that vaunted defense that's so stacked that they said, let them go. The full length, 98 yards, 18 plays, almost 11 minutes, bro. And on top of that, 13 of those 18 were running plays. So they went on ahead and shoved it down their throat. That dude, they gave them some Montgomery. They gave them some Gibbs.

It was embarrassing. You know what I'm saying? They started at the two, and they drove it all the way down the field. it didn't look there was no resistance right and then the very next possession i'm looking and i'm like the ravens start driving again you know they get they get a little short feel they drive and they go for it on fourth down and i'm like please don't let them make it they don't make it i'm like cool they lose the points they don't get the points rather i should say yeah you know you get Detroit back on the field i'm like all right Detroit go do something nope

The Ravens actually stood up. They go three and out. I'm like, okay. Again, they negate these dudes a short field. Lamar then basically just takes it on him. Of course, it was a P.I. in that whole thing, but, you know,

they tie it back up. Man, we're going in a halftime. I'm thinking, 14, Debo. No question. I'm thinking it's about to be one of these high scores, dude. Then the third quarter comes in

And now I'm sure, like, it's going to be a high score. The Ravens run down there and immediately boom him with 21. You know what I'm saying? When they do that, though, Debo, on that drive, when they came out, I would say the Lions, they could have picked the ball off twice. He dropped one. When Branch, he came, he dropped the pick. And then they tried to run a double pass.

And not a double pass, a toss to Henry. He tried to throw one. DJ Reed had one in the end zone. So they had two picks that they dropped, and then they ended up giving up a touchdown on that drive. So I was looking at, I was looking at like the Ravens right there. Like, man, these, y'all, y'all got a, y'all slipping, you know what I'm saying? And then the Lions, like, y'all are letting them, y'all could be trying to close them out, like turning, making those plays, turnovers. But gave them more chances, drove it down, and they scored their 2114.

Right. So now I'm thinking, all right, the Ravens defense, they go come out and they go go on ahead, put a stop to it. it's going to start being, you know, the defense that the announcers were talking about at the beginning. And, no, Detroit goes down there answers. 21, 21, 21. But let me tell you about this one, too. This is where I started talking about Detroit's play calling. Do you know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. They did a double pass in that drive, and then they did a double move with Amrasey Brown, hit him with the double move to get that touchdown. It was like some of the things, it was just looking easier for, the lions than the Ravens. You know what I'm saying? Like Jerry? Oh, yeah.

Way more consistent with it. Yeah, no question. No question about it. So we turned it got back to 2121. So now we're at that. Oh, Detroit comes out. The defense answers three and out. I'm surprised by that.

I don't lie because it's Lamar. How many times you hold him to three and out is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Now what does that Bolton Ravens defense do after that? They go on head and they give up. They go 72 yards to my guy, Dave Montgomery. Okay, and then when they scored, it was, I don't even know what the call it is, like a, a double pitch, a handoff pitch, whatever it was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, that was funky right there. They had my man, I'm Ross A. Brown running the option with Gibbs. That was, that's why I go with the play calling. Like, just, just calling, you know what I'm saying, just making things easier for them getting the ball into your playmaker's hands. Some people are running Scott Free. Like, that was just great play call on the line side, making it easy. easy for them to, you know what I'm saying?

Get down the field, make plays happen. So he make it easy now. You know, Montgomery came to that thing with that bop, bop. Oh, no, no. Train when he down there in AZ, man. He was. He did, and he did catch a, and the refrigerator did jump on my man's back. No question.

No question. I'm seeing him run, and I'm like, man, I hope he looking at the scoreboard because dude coming up on that right on. It was. He tried to start leading. Yeah, he started leaning, right? Then Lamar comes in. He immediately starts driving.

again but what happens the same issue that has been happening a little bit well basically the whole game like he's pressured he's sacked on two I believe two consecutive downs it stalls them out they end up having to settle for a field goal and now it's what 28 24 games close everything going good defense comes out there again Baltimore actually stands up they go on three and out they get a stop And lo and behold, Derek Henry goes and fumbles the ball inside like they 20, 15 yard line. And I'm like, yo, if they get this tutty right here, it's over with. And I'm thinking, the Ravens ain't going to be able to stop them.

They're too close. They already drove on them for like 98, you know, and then another one for like 94. four. So I'm like, they ain't going to be able to stop them. They actually stand up. Yes. Hold them to three points. Right. So it's still within there. You know what I'm saying? But that defense of the Detroit Lions, dude, they come out. Very first play, they sack Lamar. They don't put them behind the chains. They go three and out, dude.

Muhammad was balling Hutchison getting after the whole time. They had seven sacks, bro. hey no question about it and then what does Detroit they get that rock back they only ran seven plays dude come on I believe five of them was run plays

and my guy demo again he'll go ahead kept that thing off with a 31 yard touchdown no for sure but I'm gonna at the biggest play on that drive to was the fourth and two

that they hit when they like they kept they kept sending Amarase Brown in to like like insert block, you know what I'm saying? Kep having an insert block. All the plays, third and shorts, he was in the insert blocker, insert blocking.

And when you need the plate of play, he comes in like he's about the insert block and he takes off on the seven route and he holds them. Right. Even if he didn't catch it, the hole would have to first down. You know what I'm saying? And that was a great pass by golf.

So I look at it when in the second half is play calling, it's execution. You know what I'm saying? That they were doing that was so good. So then obviously after that fourth and two, they got it. Montgomery, he's going to. totaled it in he's going to get he was doing it the whole game running for first down every

tote so no question dude like out of control with it i mean for this so-called i mean last year they were they were good against the run this year they're they're horrible against the run so basically they down 14 i think it's less than two minutes left they managed to get a little touchdown missed you know how that goes debo yeah yeah like you know it's really kind of garbage time but you work you still win you know what i'm saying like 30 26 hill broke a tackle and got that first down and then they was able to do the garbage defense just retreat and retreating, retreating. Right, they did

that, that defense that you hate. I hate that, dude. I hate that with a passion, though. And they gave it up. So honestly, at the end of the day, the score was really 38 to 24. That was a garbage seven. Right. And so it made it look like they lost by eight. But man, that last

drive by the last drive by the Lions, being able to get that fourth and two and then score that touchdown was amazing. And And then Hutchison and that defense being able to creating those sacks, they sat in Lamar seven times. And then he punched the rock out, you know what I'm saying, on Derek Henry. That was a, Derek Henry, you got to make sure that you don't fumble the ball. But at the end of the day, that's great effort.

He was going at the rock. He was looking at that ball to punch it out, you know what I'm saying? So that's why, you know what I'm saying? You got to protect the Derek Henry, but that's great defense of ball searching, trying to make sure. You see the rock, go get that ball. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no question, dude. Them dudes were hooping.

in Detroit, you know what I'm saying, being able to make those plays. Dude, I believe the Lions had more rushing yards than they had passing yards. Like, I think they had like 220-something. 24 Russian, and I think like 208 passing. Yes, yes. That's something that's something that's how I'm all right, dude. That's balanced bowl. The Ravens have issues over there.

The defense right now is trash. I'm there serious, right? Like, they're giving up over four. 400 yards a game, bro. That's not. They're dead last, you know, in past, ready. I mean, in the past, like, as far as, you know, yards, they're, I think they're middle, middle, bottom half of, in the rush.

And dead last as a whole unit, you know. And I don't know what happened with the offensive line. Lamar was sacks, like you said, seven times, but he was pressured 30, bro. Yeah. 30 times. And he still went, he still went. He still went 21 or 27 for almost 300 with three tugs. Think what he could do if he wasn't under all that pressure all night, do?

No, for sure. Think what he could do. And the Ravens only had 85 yards rushing. Like, you built what you have right now around being able to successfully run the ball. And you got Derek Henry, who is in here making history. Like, my guy, don't fumbled. Each game And the first three games

He just made history with that He got to get some Some ball security Going on Like maybe do some drills Or some sort And you know I understand

This coming from the back side But I mean at all times You're supposed to have that thing High and tight So Dude You know how Coach T said man You're running with

You're running with our hopes and dreams No question That is the livelihood if you lose the rock that's the main thing you can't just be i know you're a great running back but those are possessions and you losing one each game we don't want it to become a thing i'm not knocking derrick but that's just something that you can't have done i know he's mad about it but you got to make sure that that's you can't be fumbling the ball like that that's going to mess up the squad so like the coach he would say man you're running with our hopes and dreams so that ball is everything

Hey, hey, they also became the first team in NFL history to have 111 points in the season through the first three games and have a losing record. Like, they break in all kinds of records over there. And it's because the defense is not doing their part. They're not even close to doing their part. You gave up four scoring drives of 69, no, 67, 98, 60, and 94. Yep. What defense that's supposed to be so great does that? It's hard to make those drives to like, make, like, just continue to get first downs.

Not just like a chunk play, like a two-play drive. We're talking about 11 minutes off the clock. We're talking about longer plays. They just had almost a whole course. quarter come on now what we're talking about that's that's not on top of that the ravens had 20 miss tackles bro now that's bad ball and especially when they're toting the ball at such a high clip Montgomery was brand the ball for what was 11 12 totes for 154 you know what I'm saying he had the 75 yard of well without that it's still 11 like it's still 11 totes at 80 yards 7.5 to carry regardless

if you take away the 75 yard you can't take it away ain't no taking it but with it with these 13 yards a toe. That's 13 yards of toe. Like, you can't win like that. And then Jared Golf, he didn't get sacked. No, he doing, zero sacks. Zero sacks. 24, I think it's 21 for 27, something like that.

With 202 yards, a touchdown, zero interceptions. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what you're looking for. He's not, he didn't, wasn't actually to do too much. When he needed to convert those third downs, he was doing it, handing it off, Gibbs, catching out of the backfield. They'd have so many players

that they're just getting it to them when they need to, making the right plays, and they were just running through the Ravens defense. They couldn't really do anything. They couldn't stop nothing. Oh, they couldn't even get close to stopping nothing. And that's something else. The Lions' defense, dude,

they did everything that was basically necessary, barring a few little things here and there. But again, they had Ravens 20 missed tackles. Lions, I only had four mistakles on defense. Like, they were wrapping things. up and securing it. That's what you got to do. It's, dude, it's only, like, four as a whole defense.

What was it? I mean, they really only had whatever, what was it, 40-something, 50 plays or whatever it was, that really mattered. But at the same time, like, you're talking about Lamar Jackson. And that was probably four of the miss tackles, you know what I'm saying? No, for sure. I mean, I saw them, and they missed the tackle on that third and 26 at the end of the game doing makeup when he ended up getting the first time.

So you take away that play. Like, them dudes was hooping, making, making tackles when they had to. Oh, no question, dude. Then that deep at the line, like Hutchinson, him being able to get after the quarterback, create those sacks and force the fumbles, Muhammad, like, they just had a bunch of dudes making plays in the back end, DJ Reed. Branch, he was in position all the time. That's the other thing, too.

There weren't people just running Scott Free a lot, saying, like, people were making plays, like Andrews made plays on Brand. with him right in his pocket like that was just a great throws great catches you know I'm saying but good position you know what I'm saying they going to win some but it wasn't like he was just running wide open by itself on a lot of them yeah and a lot of the guys that was with Detroit they were they were hurt last year towards the end of the year so they back they're back full of strength right now so they're getting they're getting something that they didn't that they didn't see at the end and I think people are and plus you know what I think they had what was

it eight new coaches on the whole staff of a Detroit. Two, both offense and defensive coordinators, I think they're starting to get all that together right now and be able to put it together so that they can go out there and do what they do. They look, they're going on an upward trajectory. You know how we said at the beginning to see, we didn't really know it didn't look too good,

but they continue to show that they're getting better. And they're taking it week by week, game by game. I mean, I really like the way that they do their approach. And I think it's a head coach. Like they love the way they have. that coach, keep going in for fourth down. They're trying to win the game. They're not trying to lose.

They're not playing scared. And if you got a coach that believes in you guys and you are executing at a high clip, then you know what I'm saying? They, y'all are on the right path. Oh, yeah. Dude. It says before 2025, no starting quarterback had ever lost multiple games where they had 140 pass a rating in a single, in a single season.

Lamar Jackson already has two losses through three weeks. over 140 for this year. He was 144 against Buffalo. He was 148 today, well, yesterday against the Lions. Both games, they lost. Like, what do you say to your offense, your offense, your defense, hell, your offensive line this week, because they didn't really help much of, you know, the stats that he did get, they allow guys to smack him, hitting, pressuring.

What do you, what do you say to that? Like, how do you come in and be like, yo, like, we could do this better? We could. I think some of the stuff with the offensive line, some of the, some of the sacks, I would say, I would say some of the sacks are like Lamar trying to extend plays and keeping the the ball a little bit too long. Sometimes, Lamar, take off. You know what I'm saying?

If it's not there, we need just go. get something, slide, get down, you're an athlete. Like some of that stuff just trying to wait, wait, wait, like it's not there, it's not there, get out of there. So some of it isn't as much on the offensive line. But at the same time, y'all are scoring. You're playing. You're efficient.

Our offense is pretty efficient. We scored 30 points. But, like, that's some stuff we just got to watch the tape, continue to do better. But a lot of these things aren't our bad as much. We can definitely do better. We can definitely protect Lamar. We can protect the ball. Derek Henry not fumbling once a game.

We don't turn the ball. all over. We're a great, we're a good offense, but we can't be giving the ball back. We can't keep putting our defense. Our defense is already struggling. Let's not help. Let's not hurt them anymore. You know what I'm saying? Let's try to give them short fields. Let's try to make them protect, like, leads. You know what I'm saying? If they're having to play from behind, they're not really that defense is going to get us back into the game. So, well, hell, even when they're playing ahead, that don't work either. We saw that in Buffalo. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, something, something has to be done over there.

I don't. It's more of the defense's fault on the Ravens end than I would say the offense. Oh, I mean, Lamar Jackson, his QB ratings are amazing. Sometimes I'm just saying, don't keep the ball in your hands as much. Just try to get out of there, throw the ball away. It's okay. He averages less than one throwaway a game. It's so because he believes if it's in my hands, I'm going to make something happen.

But sometimes just getting it out of bounds, living for the next play is a better situation. You know what I'm saying? The defense can definitely, definitely do a lot better. our offense isn't really struggling too much. It's just it's a team game. We got to have the defense doing a whole lot better and we can't turn the ball over basically at all. Like Derek Cameron, we can't

have you averaging one turn over a game. That's not winning football for us. Oh, yeah. It's going to start with the defense though. 100%. That's right with the defense. I mean, of course, the offense is not playing perfect, but you're looking at the numbers that, you know, they're putting up. We've got to be able

as a defense to stop someone. We're historically bad right now at the Ravens like you can't be asking you know what I'm saying then the offense is doing us good but okay not the best but your defense is historically bad like we can do a whole lot better yeah for sure so Matt Lafure watch how I say the braces before if I don't go if I don't put my lips out it breaks up against my stuff

he wasn't happy with the undefeated talk from his team I guess after they went 2 and O the tackle Walker said that he thought, he said, I see it a million, no, Lefehrer said I see it a million times. I say it a million times to you guys. I don't think I've obviously

said it enough to our team. The goal is to go one and O every week. He said, and it pisses me off when we started talking about things outside of the game, things that are way down the road, like focus on, keep the focus

on the present, on now, and worry about getting better each and every day. How do you feel about guys when they go to the, I think we can go and defeat it and actually put it, put it out there, say it in an interview, and you're only, you know, you're only 2 and 0 at that point. I think it's dumb. At the end of the day, you, what coach said was the best thing that you could say.

Go 1 and 0. It's hard enough to win a game. You know what I'm saying? And then these dudes are getting paid. If you start looking forward and past folks, that's how you lose to a team that you were better than. You got to beat the team that you plan in that stadium that week. That's all you got to do. That's all you got to worry about. Our film study, our focus is about this team because they can beat us.

These are also professional athletes that we're playing against. And if you get your mind past that, you're thinking about something else, you can easily lose. You know what I'm saying? So I think you've got to be singularly focused on exactly what the mission is. And that's each week winning this. game. When you walk to a stadium, our goal is to beat this team. I'm studying. I'm doing all of my film work. I'm doing everything I got to do to win this week. And if we don't win this week, we'll figure it out Monday and Tuesday. And on Wednesday, my goal is to win the next game.

You know what I'm saying? Period. That's going to be off your map. You're not worried about that. Because you're not going to be back. Because they already. Monday. You know what I'm saying? So Tuesday is washed, but like Wednesday, we're completely singly focused on the next one. So it's like, you got to, it's hard enough to win a game in this league. And then when you start thinking that you're better than you are and start preparing for other teams and not worrying about the team that's right ahead of you, that's how you're going to lose. Dog stomp them then if they're not good enough.

You know what I'm saying? They shouldn't be on the field. Make this a stat game. Go crazy. And then you can go to the next one and then work on that. So I completely agree with the coach you in the way he thinks because like it's any given Sunday, you walk into the stadium thinking it's sweet and you'll get smacked. And then you'll be looking crazy trying to figure it out.

Yeah, I think what I 100% agree with him. And when you hear guys say that and they say it out loud and it gets out there, again, bulletin board material. You don't want to get nobody no bulletin board material because what you just did in week two, you just gave 15 teams bulletin board material because you looked at your lists of teams that you had left. And you said, win, when, it's all wins. Yes, I think we can go $500. So you just said that to them, without saying it, I'm reading in between the lines, you just said you marking us as a W, y'all go pop our ass. What happens?

You go out there to Cleveland. Cleveland got a defense. The offense does its job. And you're sitting there, and that undefeated talk is a crock of shit. You couldn't even win the next game. so I'm 100% with him again taking guys like you're taking the team like oh we go going here to do this um my whole schedule look like when you saying something like that your whole to you your whole schedule looks like and it's it's it's nothing easy in this league

dude oh for sure and debo even if you feel that way you're not going to go like you can say it amongst your boys but once you go put it out there to everybody now it's that like you said it's bulletin board material you feel like you're going to go undefeated you're Do you think that any team you're going to play, do you want to win? But like going out there, putting it out there is bulletin board material. And then when you go out there and get dog stomped and it's this early in the year, that was for all for nothing. You know you think you're going to win. Just go out there and be, say it, be respectful in the media because that's not going to do anything.

That's not going to do anything about how you go out there and play. You know what I'm saying? But I'll actually motivate somebody else. Yes, it's going to motivate the other team. Like, this is what you said. literally going into the before the next game which is us which is Cleveland like he said this if you can't get up for that you can't get up for nothing and from that point forward that could be used at every every team because he looked at the thing and he said foo oh yeah

we're running the board don't see nobody on here that could beat us I don't I don't I don't understand the thought process especially that like it's okay to sell wolf tickets to the next game but you just sold them to 15 others and you don't even know you don't even know you don't even know man you're talking about like we're not even we're you're not even a lot for the playoffs you're not even mathematically like you can literally get mathematically eliminated you know what I'm saying there's so many more things that could happen like that would be horrible if they went and I don't see it happening but I don't see it happening either but we're We didn't see, like a lot of people didn't see the bride.

You got to go in it. You got to win the games. You know what I'm saying? Injuries-wise, not wishing anything with anybody, but you got to go out there. It's a long season. It's going to be wearing tear. Like, we want to see what happens in week seven, week eight, week nine. You know what I'm saying?

Like, who's still standing up right? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, it's a very, very long season. And going in week two talking about you're going to go undefeated because you won two games. It's actually crazy. Yes. So Michael Parsons is returning to Dallas next week. Jerry Jones said the club will not plan for a tribute-type video during Sunday's game against the Packers.

Unlike the ones they created for Emmett Smith or Ezekiel upon their return to Dallas. He said, I don't think that's appropriate this way. Emmett was a different story. There is not, that's not to diminish Michael. I think Micah has enough welcome out there. and we need to show that's and we need to show that we've got antidotes for that all right he's saying he'll welcome him out there they got to stop him um what do you feel about this dude me personally this is how i feel about it how you feel debo i don't think you should give any tribute to a player that you are playing against that week to give it any type of boost,

comp, all that. Like, you can get all that after you're done playing or when you're not in a game that I don't, I just don't, I'm not cool with it. Like, I understand that he was there for four years and he said, you know, this was a different situation. That was a different situation. But I think the big thing, too, though, is, like,

he's playing the Packers. I'm not trying to give him, a highlight show of himself in our stadium against us I'm just not I'm just not doing it like Emmett Smith was the what that's what I'm saying do you kill nobody so in the Smith for show but do you feel the same way about like

because if Ezekiel Elliott got one do you think it's a little different or or not because Emmett Smith won Super Bowls for them you know what I'm saying and played for them for a very very long time multiple definitely did a re-up contract I think I think that's the other thing too well you got to also understand that Jerry feel like Micah did him wrong oh for sure so for sure it's a little different you know what I'm saying no I think I think the big thing is like over time especially in this business what you know issues you may have had with

a coach or owner or GM they dissipate over time it's not it's no longer you know right yeah and on top of it like it's no issues now in the current time that having the same or having that relationship you don't have you won't have that same relationship with them so you you tend to just let things go and and and move on and you build back you know whatever that relationship would be or you don't and you just you just splice off, but people just, you don't care as much, you know what I'm saying?

I think it's a, I think it's like a two-way street. I think it's with Jerry Jones, too. You know, he didn't let my man Jimmy Johnson, he wasn't in the ring of honor for a while because, you know what I'm saying, that relationship, knowing he should have been in the ring of honor. And then I think with Jerry Jones

bringing in Michael Parsons, I don't think four years playing with the team deserves a highlight tape, are you coming back to the spot? You know what I'm saying? If you would have went Super Bowls and been there for a while, multi-contract guy and then coming back on your like latter end of your career, then maybe, you know what I'm saying?

Just out of respect, depending on how that relationship ended, you know what I'm saying? People do feel some type of way, like you said. And owners do had a right to either do it or not. And I know Jerry, not putting Jimmy in the ring of honor for a while, it's more personal. And then like you said, once time goes by and buy, Bygones be bygones, he ends up putting them back in because it's like, all right, yeah, it is what it is.

You know what I'm saying? But Michael Parsons, we just went through nasty contract negotiations. Yes. You were here for four years. This is still fresh. It's too fresh. And I'm looking at my pass rush right now. No, I ain't giving you none of that.

None of that right now. No, I don't want you to feel like, no, this is your world. No, this is Jerry's world. Right. Like, I can see definitely why he wouldn't do it. And it's just situational wise. So, like, don't feel no type of way that Jerry's not doing it. I can see why he's doing it.

I would expect him to not do the highlight tape right now. It's too early. It's too fresh. And, you know what I'm saying? Mike, it was just in the building. So, like, definitely. Yeah, for sure. So Travis Hunter, let's step over here.

He's playing both sides, offense, defense, played over 30 snaps at each wide receiver and cornerback for Jacksonville in weeks one and two. And it said, however, he has not been as impactful as thrust far, especially on the offensive side of the ball, 16 targets, 10 catches, 76 yards. Coach Prime, who has consistently supported Hunter, said, they're not using him enough. Quote, they're not using him enough.

I've seen it with my own eyes on everyday basis for three straight years, so I know what he's capable of. He's always had at least five hours of study each week. He had a phenomenal, he is just a phenomenal athlete, one of the greatest I've ever seen, do both simultaneously, and he's dominated. What do you think? Do you think he just needs time?

Do you think he needs a better group of driving? Do you think? my mind is starting to get a little bit, I'm starting to think a little bit differently than what I thought about it first. Just because, what is say, like, you got to be a master of, if you really good at a lot of things,

you can't be a master or none. So I'm kind of more now leaning to, if we want him to, Jacksonville, we want to get him on the ball. We want him to beat, he's an officer player. He's a wide receiver also. If you want to do it,

make him something 100% Let him be able to get out there where he can get all of the plays on offense, know what's going on because he's a playmaker. He's a game changer. And I think if he gets the ball in his hands like Prime is saying, he can help your offense out. Splitting him and not being able to let him thrive, you know what I'm saying, at one is kind of, I think, limiting him. And it's not letting him just be able to go all in and get plays on something. Like being able to get coming out, not being able to get a groove, getting the feel of a game. I think that is kind of a real thing

and me, I didn't play both ways but I'm just saying like you got to get going and being able to get going on defense and then having to come out. Get going on offense starting to get a groove having to come out. I don't know what kind of flow or what kind of rhythm you can get going. So I can see what Deion

saying is like you're not using them right. I think you got to use them 100% on offense or 100% on defense or 100% on offense and 20% on defense. But you've got to make one of the main things. thing's the main thing to where he can be a pro bowler as something or he won't just be average at both. You know what I'm saying? I think he can be a really great pro bowl receiver or a really

great pro bowl cornerback. But if he's playing both at the same time with the time that he's getting with the plays, he's not going to be able to impact the game in the way that he is. So he needs to be 100% out there on the field no matter what. And I think that's going to increase his impact tremendously on whatever side he ends up going 100% of it. But he got a main thing something so he can be a master or something and not just good or average at two things. Yeah, I think they should do the same thing and just pick one, whether it's corner or if it's receiver and let him grind in, focus on that. And you can have, you know, special things here and there where he's not actually

dedicated to having to learn a whole bunch on one side or the other to do whatever those few, you know, number of plays is. but I think if he's able to sit on one side really concentrate on that focus in on that and just let his athletic talent dictate how he plays on the other I think he would be more impactful

1,000% because more and more I think about it though to Debo it's like how much time do you actually really have in practice? You know what I'm saying? Like to do the things like my offense is doing their thing

defense is doing our thing and then when we go together you're you know what I'm saying you're kind of you can't can't be in two places at one time to be getting the install with the guys with everything and kind of all meetings go on at the same time all meetings are going on at the same exact time so can't really be in two places at one time so i love travis hunter i don't think that but i don't think i think that it's not letting him be as great as he can be when he's got to the pull he's got to be in two places at one time when you can't do that yeah you're giving him i mean like again you're talking college college to pro a little bit of a different system, especially, you know, when you get in there with, you know, defense is, you know,

trying to have a rookie quarterback, you know, reed defense is, is a challenge, you know, and getting out there as a receiver and knowing when, you know, you're supposed to keep going, sit down, you need to work a little something here or there and being able to concentrate on just that, that offensive side of it. Or, again, defense's side of it,

whatever they choose to be, choose him to be is what's really going to, I feel like you'd be able to help him lock in on one. Hey man, look, I'm going to even put them on, if you're going to put 100% offense,

special teams, kick the turn, pump my turn. I want to get the ball in his hands and then on office because he's a playmaker. If you want to do defense, you can do defense too and all that stuff, but just make them, let them do something 100%. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So it looks like the 49ers are three and old, buddy. They're doing well, but they just lost Bosa. He's out with an ACL tear. Do you think, I mean, they've, from the last, what, one, two, three, four, five, six years, they've led. Not led, but they've been up there high in injuries. Two or the three, it looks like they were number one. you feel like a curse it's no curse um i don't think it's a curse i think i don't know man i think it's just bad you know bad luck timing whatever you want to you know do i mean you got purdy out kiddos's out jennings out now you got uh urtosa out yep I mean, I think it's unfortunate. You know, I said, everybody in the league is get, everybody gets hurt, everybody, all teams get injured.

I don't think. Isn't this the second time that Bosa did his ACL? Man, Bosa's been getting hurt a lot, bro. And I hope, I hope he's going to be okay. But, like, it's just, them things happen. You don't want to, you don't, like, like with a Cincinnati, too. I mean, this all, all over the league, you got. Yeah.

It's great, like, names. guys going down. So like I said, too, with the, like with the Packers, the season, it's a long season. It's going to be people going down here and there. It's just really like who's going to be able to stay the ship. When people go down, next man up. And if you got a good next man that's going to just be able to keep it going, that's the season. It's a long season, 17 game, regular season.

Then you got to get to the playoffs. So all this stuff right now, just being able to win these close games, being able to figure your team out, being able to just get in the group. is what the beginning of the seasons is all about. So I'm sad, four to 49ers, but all teams go through this. All teams go to transition. That's why you have to have your roster ready for,

you know what I'm saying, when people go down. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Bosa Tours left ACL in 2020. And today it's just right. Was that contact or non-contact? Did you, did you, did you, did you, I saw, he was, he was, he has.

somebody on him, but I didn't, it didn't, I didn't really get to see how much it was. It didn't look non-contact. A non-contact. Somebody was passionate. He was, he was Russian and he had like the attack was on him. Okay. Okay. I mean, that's a, that's a little, that's a little different.

What was his first one? Was his first one non-contact? I don't remember the first one. It's a high probability when you like, when you tear ligaments, like, ACLs, all that stuff, that if it's non-contact, It's non-contact, it's like a, I want to say it's like a 70-something percent chance that you would tear the other one non-contact because they say it's a genetic weakness in your ligaments. So that's one thing that, you know, I was told. Okay. So I hope it's hope it.

I hope it was contact, not non-contact. Well, he already did both, you know. So, I mean, actually, Big Hamp, Big Hampt tours ACL, non-contact. Same thing. He did it. I think he did his other one in college. And then a few years later, he ended up tearing this other one. But it's Big Hampton, Casey Hampton.

Oh, Casey Hampton. Okay, yeah. Yeah. So that's something to be wary and cautious. I don't even know if they look and see what is going on with, you know, like, players. If they go, you know, back that far and check things out. Like, Bosa's injury history is, wow. 2015, his senior year, he had a partially torn right ACL.

His final year in Ohio State, he had a core surgery. second year in the league he got the left ACL he had a growing last year and then this year you know he got he got a right ACL like

maybe he's just injury prone I mean that that's a lot that's a lot of injuries man yeah I don't know where is he working out at like what type of training are you doing I don't know I mean like I said it's a combination of everything on that I mean he looks slow

Oh, yeah He looks so slow Like you're working out Like you're training But I want to make sure You're getting them things healed up right I don't know You're both a family

Them dude's been in the league It's a family of them dudes So Oh yeah for sure For sure So Atlanta said You know what man

We gotta do something man They fired They fired the receivers coach Uh Ike Hilliard Yeah man Okay

I got a copy Yeah I got a So what do you think this was? I'm going to go with, I don't know, it could be two things. Okay, so I'm going to go with, it could be one of this. It could be a case of, hey, somebody got to go. We just lost, better than nothing, the Carolina, okay? Somebody got to go to save the rest of us, okay?

Either we go get rid of one or all of us go get rid of. So this, who underperforming? Receivers? Receivers underperforming. Hey, coach, we go have to get you. We're going to have to get you up out of here. Hey, but the quarterback, he went, he went like 50%, like less than 200 yards, and he had like two pigs.

Yeah, but we can't get rid of him and we can't get rid of his coach. Why we can't get rid of his coach? Hey, he, he a rookie, can't get rid of it. This is the first, the quarterback coach is the, is a rookie coach for the, No, no, no, no, no, no, pinks is the rookie quarterback. No, Pinks is a rookie quarterback, but I'm saying, who is his coach? Hey, you can't, you can't pull out his, his quarterback, his, his, his coach in the first, in the first year, that's going to look crazy. You can't do that.

So, like I said, it's the receiving. Like I said, it, so maybe this is received, or, or it could be a combination of both. Like, some coaches don't, like, coach well. And when I say coach, well, I mean like, like develop their talent, be able to get the most out of them. Oh, yes. And I think you have some coaches that can do that extremely well and some coaches that can't. And then you have a lot of coaches that can like come into a situation and keep an already developed core together that has been, you know, developed without diminishing what they have. have there because a lot of players aren't.

My question is this, though, Debo, do you, do you know who I Killier is? Yeah, he was, he was, um, right receiver. Right. Yeah, he was a receiver. He was nice. So my, I'm not going to speak up because, like, you know, not all play, not all ex-players are good coaches, but every ex-player that I ever had that was my coach was the best for me because they, not, not just because they had the experience, but they

were able to coach. I can't say that. I, you can't say that or can't? I can't say that. You can't say that. Okay, no, I'm just saying, from my experience, I had Cornell Lake and then I had Aaron Glenn. Those two ex-players were really, really, really good coaches. And I'm not like, I heard what you said too because it could be.

Listen, I ain't going to say, listen, I ain't going to say no names. I ain't going to even say what team was. Okay. I ain't going to say nothing. but we're doing linebacker drills okay

and the linebacker drill we're doing is wild bro it's a rush to pass or you know

sack strip yes to like a dropping coverage or something like dude it was it was wild

it was like something that you can't complete on one play after you do a strip sack then you drop back into cover I don't, dude, listen, I can't remember how bad it was, but.

And this was, listen, listen, listen, listen. Yes, yes, yes. So as soon as it happens, man, I look over at coach. I look over at my coach, and he looked at me, and he's like, James, just please do the drip. I said, coach, I ain't doing this shit. This ain't going to never happen in the play. I'm like, I don't even know why you let this dude run drill.

Oh, shit. So I've had that experience. Okay, no, no, no. I feel like I had that experience, too, with, not with, no, my only, my coaches that played with good coaches, I only had that experience with non-coachers that did drills, that didn't make any sense. But I, yeah. Like, everybody's trying to reinvent the wheel, dude.

And, like, you ain't got to it. No. People on the state the same. The rules may have changed, but, like, We're not going to have If you just get the strip sack drill And it's finished Hold up

Hold up Hold up And maybe a scoop Strip that To the scoop and scoop Okay listen Now it was another one where You go

Over the bags You punch down on like You know You stop somebody from cutting you Yes You punch down on like Three four bags Yeah

And you ripped through Rush to pass Sack Recovery score If I hit for people. See, no, Dibot. See, D. Bo. See,

with a shuffle down and still get through sack from. See. Where is everybody else at? See, no, Debo. I just touch five bodies. This is what we, that's just,

that's not realistic, but they're doing some realistic things that can happen in a play. You know what I'm saying? So that's not like one play, you're going to do all those things. But you may do each separate things. Why am I shuffling down

and you're trying to cut me on a past play? multiple people. Because they want to keep your hands down. So where the other where the other two people are? I don't ran through four or five of them. Yeah, no, you're right. You should just do one.

So you're just saying you just need to do legitimate one time, one person there, and then move on. There's no reason you're trying to, it's now full cup blocks. It's not going to have, man. And most of the time, if they're doing an immediate cut block,

it's a punch down. They try to get your hands down. That means it's a quick pass and you out of this. Not, I'm not going down the line. Boom, boom. No, no. Yeah, they just, it's just,

you just not trying to do no unrealistic drills. Yes. Yes. So, like I said, that's why, you know, it could be a combination. I mean, and looking at, um, just looking at Hilliard's, uh, coaching, you know,

he has spent time as a receiver's coach. So I don't know exactly, you know, what it is. I think the most he spent was like maybe four, four or five years in Washington. And then, you know, it's a year here, two years here, a year here. And I think before this, he might have been out of it for a couple years. So I don't know exactly what it is, but it's one of them. Somebody got to go. Hey, listen, for the betterment of the squad, somebody got to go.

We either go all lose our jobs or we go have to sacrifice one person. For the betterment of the collective, someone got to go. And it ain't me. So it's got to be somebody. Right. That's what I'm saying. So, I mean, how much can a wide receiver coach be responsible for all the bad coming that came through that game? Not a whole lot, but, you know, when you start trying to, it's the same thing when you're losing.

And you've got the reporters trying to figure out, what's going on? Why are they losing? They're a good team. Why are they losing? And now they see that, oh, so-and-so has a problem with so-and-so or this guy was late. You know, they started looking for anything. And the crazy thing is, 99.9% of the time, it was already there. They just weren't looking for it.

They didn't pay attention to it because it's nothing to look for when you're winning and everything's going good. now they're not one so they're going to be able to pick and point of everything and I'm saying with that rookie quarterback too hopefully now you're looking at the quarterback coach and he said you got to develop him so hopefully he's getting if he's not getting better yeah the OC too oh C man they they're that wide receiver coach man he only he's doing what the OC what y'all trying to what are the plays I'm just telling my receivers what we need to do from what I'm hearing from y'all so I mean we got to see what kind of thing again, dude, if it's an executing thing, that means the receivers aren't executing it. So, like, why would you get rid of the coach when you try and get you some different receivers? I don't, you know. I don't know.

Baja's got to do better. But you know what I got? I'm going to tell you who my defensive player. I got my defensive player of the week. Uh-huh. Who you got? My defensive player of the week is Hutchinson. the defense alignment from

I can understand that his effort amazing he was getting after Lamar Jackson he wasn't just sacking him he was stopping the run unlimited effort and then the punch out at the end of the game to force to fumble

he's just unlimited effort bro getting after Lamar and getting after Derek Henry so I'm gonna go ahead get that to him he was on that Monday night all lies on him shout out hutchison so i'm a i'm going to have to go with somebody else i'm going to go with somebody that scored more points on defense than the team they were playing against did on offense and that is i know who you're going what's his last night what's Isaiah's last name what's last night rogers yes i'm going with rogers my guy took one to the house

scooped another one up and took it to the house. By himself, he was responsible for 12 points, bro. They could have won with just that. It would have been 10 to 12. And look at me, I'm picking the D-Lyman, and you picking the D-B. Listen, man, he went on head. Points on the board, you can't.

You can't beat them. You can't do no better than points on the board. You can't. You can't. It's nothing. It's nothing out here, dude. Like, you got to think about it. Isaiah Rogers became the first player

in NFL history to record a pick six a fumble return for a touchdown and two force fumbles in a single game. Come on. Dang. And he did all that in the first half,

bro. You want to change yours? Yeah, I mean, for sure. He was better. He was the defensive player. Come on over here. Yeah, we got a census. Nah, that was my bad.

That was my bad. I got reminded about the, I got reminded about it too late. I should have, I should have picked him. It's good. We, we, in the census, we got it going. He deserves it, though. That's for sure. No question.

No question. He got to boy. He gave 12. He scored 12. He could have almost, he could have beat the Packers by himself. He could have beat Cincinnati by itself. He could be Cincinnati, and he could have beat the Packers. This is true.

Young Bull went two and up. This is true. He could have. I see what you're saying. I see what you. The other game, I got you. You know? I got you.

You lost me for a minute there. I thought you were, I thought you CTE was kicking in. No, no, no, no, no, no, devo. Yeah. I try to keep, I try to keep my head out of the, no. I try to keep it low. I try and keep it low, too.

But my teeth, my braces be having me think, they'd be like, man, you're right. He can't even pronounce words, man. I think I think he didn't lost it. You know what I'm saying? No, man, it's the braces. They'd be catching a look, D. Yo.

So, you catching all that. I had the whole thing up top at one point, and then I had it down the bottom. It first started off just like on the right side to open up for it, too. But you know what I wanted to say, too? You know, we got to talk about it a little bit before that. We got to talk about a little bit of our college football shit, too. Man, stop, man. You know, you know what?

I got to always bring up my gators. I'm going to talk about the gators, and they got to be more careful. The Gators. The Gators. Y'all even got a football team anymore. Man, right now we are out there playing like the baby Gators, but we got to do better. What, what, y'all? I don't know what's going on.

I love Florida. I love the Gators, but we got to get back on track. We got to get back on track. Legway, what are we doing? Our office, zero explosiveness. Listen, y'all might not have enough. N-I-N-L-I. What's that stuff on?

We got to get a Gator fund and get the N-I-L bucket right. And we got to start figuring it out. We got to talk to some lums. Oh, yeah. And we're going to have to get it right. Go right here with Joe. Yep, yep.

I know Pouncey. I know Mage. I know the boys. They was down there at the game. And that was not the display we was trying to give. So, Florida, we're going to have to get back on it. But it's always, but it's always go Gators. It's always go Gators.

It's always go gators. Where's my, where's my, where's my, where my jerk? I got a, I got a, always go, a helmet or something around here. Oh, that's not, anyway, I'm bad. Always, I'm going to talk. Always, you put a gator on you, bro? Oh, you're trying to getters.

So, always go gators. I'm going to talk about my, um, my school. Oh, state. I'm good old Penn State, boys. Kent State University. Golden flashes. Yeah, yeah. I don't know when the game in the last, like, 20-something, though.

That's, I mean, we, we ain't got no, we ain't got no funds. We ain't got no, and I ain't starting no funds. I'm going to be 100 with y'all, you know. As soon as a dude get good, you know, they come snatch them. You get a good one, you know, they come snatch them, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You know, you lose them for a little bit of chains, you know. So, I mean, I, um, I don't, I don't.

You ain't, Debo, you funny, you ain't donating, that's for sure. Who? I donated already, bro. Oh, there we go. Okay. Jim. They got, listen. They got to gym?

Jim is trash. See? Debo. Jim is trash. It went to trash. It used to have weights in it. I think it got bands in it now. It's hot boo-boo.

Okay. Like. Hey, and do you know what I'm going to send you. It's called the James Harrison something, something, something. James Harrison, something. I can't. I'm going to check it out. Listen, take, please.

If y'all ain't going to put it back to what it used to be, man. It ain't nothing spectacular, but at least we have a weights in there. You know what I'm saying? Just go on here and just, I don't know. It's a bad situation over there, man. It's a bad situation. Like, whoever, like, they switching coaches, like, like, you change your draws, man. Oh, no.

Oh, man. It's bad. It's bad. So I don't, I don't do. My bad, man. Look, look, both of our schools not doing the best right now. Yo, they need to go ahead and take the James has the strength and conditioning center. And just, please, like, do something.

Pull my name off that thing, man. I don't know. It ain't, it ain't nothing to get strong in there with. Like, what you want me to do? Okay. We got to throw some weights in there, Devo. Yeah. I don't understand.

And on top of it, hey, they spelled it wrong on the school website, bro. Ken State. Come on, Ken State. You got to do better

for Debo, man. We got to do. You got to do better for everybody. Y'all know you had Jack Lambert there. Jack Lambert, Ken State.

Wow. You ain't know that, did you? Nope. Jack Lambert knew you. I knew at the Edelman. Edelman. Gris.

Gates. Gates, Chris. Antonio Gates? Yeah. Come on. He played basketball, though. He ain't want to come out for the hookah. He didn't even, he's still with the kids' state.

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Like, what? I had hoover's. Like, I don't understand it, dude. Anyway, man, we about, we want to thank you guys for joining us. Again, we need you to like and subscribe to Debo and Joe. hit the button please

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