Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Seahawks-Cardinals, Marvin Harrison Jr.'s DROPS, Steelers Ireland preview

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks defeated Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals. Later, Deebo & Joe breakdown Cardinals WR Marvin Harrison Jr.'s issues dropping the football and preview Week 4's games of the NFL season! Timeline:00:00 - Seahawks beat Cardinals22:50 - Big Ben criticizes the Steelers defense32:25 - Browns vs Lions36:00 - Ravens Defense STINKS46:50 - Joe Haden hits hard49:40 - Hottest weather NFL games54:45 - Matthew Stafford a Hall of Famer? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe. I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss. How you doing today, Joe? Man, I'm doing good, Debo.

I'm doing well, man. How you doing? I'm doing real good, man. Listen here, man, before we get started, man, I got, I got something to talk about, man. This fine that they gave, what is it, St. Pierre Brown, whatever, St. Brown? St. Brown? Yeah. Okay. It's idiotic. Y'all need to find yourself for letting it go out if that's the case if you feel so strongly about it. Because you bleep out everything else. You bleep out shit, damn bullshit. Fuck, motherfucker.

All this stuff. You bleep all that out. But this right here, you're finding him for, you ought to find yourself and not having some type of delay if y'all feel that strongly about what he said. Because he said, I run this shit. And I heard you bleep out shit.

I don't heard people say, I run this shit. So it got to be the nigger. Yeah. I hear you. This is the one part one saying, like a lot of this stuff is getting caught live where when the refs are announcing the call, like when my man Jackson Smith said,

this is some bullshit to the ref. And he was about to throw him, hit him upside. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shit was crazy. He was looking at the ref. Ref was looking like him like, man, like I could literally throw a 15-yard flag at you right now. So I understand what you're saying.

So sometimes things on live can get caught. So it's like, you're understanding. Is it because he said the nigger word? Is that why he got to be? Because people, when you say the delay, certain things are going to get caught because those air bombs. 42,000, bruh. $42,000.

So what I'm trying to forget. Hey, where the NFLPA at, man? Where them bum-ass niggers? Where are they at? Like, where in your contract? Where in the collective bargaining agreement to say you get fined for saying, nigger, $42,000? There's no, there's nothing.

And then at the same time, when you're on the field, these are, this is what people are, we're on the field. If there was people going to find for everything that was set on the field, that's not okay. Like, people are out there. They're getting cussed out. The ref got just cussed out by Jackson Smith, like on the field. There's some bullshit.

Like, are they not going to find him $43,000 for it? So it's like, don't be begging. Hey, hold up. Now, if you find him $43,000 for that, then you've got to find everybody else for every cuss word that come out there. That is normal conversation through the whole process. And I think then I got so sensitive with this word, nigga. Like, he's not saying in a, like, derogatory type,

Hey, nigger, coon, all that other stuff. Not hard, not hard R. Yes, not hard R. Yeah. And he wouldn't say that anyway. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, he's saying it couldn't and just, he's just talking shit. No question.

100% talking shit. So if you go back and they go, they caught the bullshit, right? So if they catch that bullshit and they go and find him for that, now these dudes, they can't even talk no more. You can't even say nothing. It's the heat of the moment. It's the battle. dudes is playing like dudes get riled up you know what I'm saying at the end of the game you'll

dapp it up with dudes whatever but you say some things that are definitely out of characteristic dudes are out there blacking out like legitimately because you're playing hard and emotions get high so you say some stuff and it and it is what it is but at the end of the day if you're just literally walking and stepping they're trying to find people no question no question look here look here look here man this is what needs to happen St. Brown needs to call the NFLPA the leadership of the NFLPA the leadership of the NFLP and be like, yo, what's up? Do something.

Help me. Come on. Come on. Do something. What the executive? What he got partial, whatever it is? Listen, that's why I got to run for NFLPA. That's why I got to be the guy there.

You ain't going to have nobody there that's going to fight for you like me? Yeah. I know what you go through. I don't play the game at every level. I've been a practice squad player. I've been a dude making minimum. I've been a dude making a lot. What do you talk?

I've been fine for all kinds of bullshit. You need somebody there that's going to fight for you. Go talk to the NFLPA. See what they go do. I ain't heard people word out of them since this happened. They should have been going, going hard for him immediately where they at. Listen, I'm James Harrison, and I approve this message. James Harrison, NFLPA, executive director.

Let's go. Let's get a deep. I feel you. I understand where you're coming from. when you're saying about if you're going to start finding dudes for what every word that they say while they're on the field, that is something that you're going to open up a whole different bag of worms. If it's because he's saying the N-word, the N-word, that's something that you're uncomfortable with NFL, you like, that's not in the rulebook. You know what I'm saying? So it's just, it opens up a whole different bag of worms.

I don't think they want to get involved in because you caught my man, Jackson Smith, if that's the case, cussing out the ref. And that's just what you do. I don't know, they're listening. What you go do? What you go? Hey, listen, man, you, you, you, you're walking a thin line right there if you're going to find him for that. So you're saying you could cuss. You just can't cuss while, when they go here.

If that's what they do, I don't know. So if that's the case, what you need to do. If you're going to cuss, don't get caught. No. You need to find your damn self, too, for having the mic live and everything else. Y'all need to get a good 30-second delay so you could bleak that out. So that way, you don't get fine. They don't get fine.

Whatever you find them, you need to. to find yourself 10, 10, 10, 20 times as much for letting me get out there. Bones? Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. Arm-ass, niggas. Yeah. It's them live sound bombs.

They're going to catch them every time. It made me go my body. Man, see, listen, man, I'll be trying, man. I'll be trying, bro. Listen, man, let's get to this. Now, this Seattle Cardinals game, bro. I did not see this thing going and ending up where it was at 20 to 23, dude. like the first quarter

I'm thinking something go happen it's going to go wild like but not really you know I think the biggest thing to happen was the fourth down

that Seattle went for they didn't they didn't convert it when they didn't convert that that gave Arizona a short field and hell I think the second play dude Arizona had an interception

yeah they had an interception they had a pit early it got lucky it got back they got it back And then they were able to, I think they hit a run for maybe like 10, 15. They got a face mask that advanced another 15. He went to throw a 10, the first pick that they got was when he went to throw the dig,

the Marvin Harrison Jr. And he quit on the route. That was the one thing I didn't like. You got to keep, you got to keep running. I wouldn't say he quit on us. I would say he didn't think that it was going to go to him. He would slow down, stop. Even if he had from where,

hey, you threw it. Even if he had Doug through that, I don't think he would have still caught it. No, I don't think he would have caught it, but at least we could have played DB. We could at least broke it up. You know what I'm saying? Your quarterback was believing it.

So that was the one. And then they ended up getting that back, though, you know. Yeah. But then, like I said, they moved, got a little run, a penalty advanced, and then false start basically made them have to settle for the field goal. So. But Seattle comes right out.

I think it was six, seven plays. at a pass of like 12 the touchdown was 16 or running across it like 10 another one for 21 day 7 3 now it's you know I'm thinking it's about to be a they're about to roll them or something and then the first possession they get back Arizona they he gets sacked like two times no he gets sacked once I think it was second down then it was a scramble on the third and they end up having to punt I don't know, right? I don't know. I'm thinking then, like, it's more of a, I don't know, maybe it might end up being a possessional thing, you know, first quarter people don't sometimes don't play up to the potential that they could, you know, be playing to. And then Marvin goes and he was just out of character, I guess.

He dropped the pass. They tip interception. Seattle gets the ball. You know, they're driving. And the name on. running back, he staws him out. You're going, you're going to throw the ball at him. You got to talk to him without a flag.

You got to point the ball at him without a flag. And then you said, the hell with it, let me throw it. And now you get the 10, you know, you killed a driver. Yes, yes. Oh, man. Self-infected wounds on the Seahawks part on that part, just a little discipline, like the holding. We had a hold on a little bit later and then on that play, you know what I'm saying?

So I think they definitely, a lot of them, this stuff that happened to them was more, they can be in control of it. It's just emotions. Like, you can't, you're on a holding and then on that play. Like you said, he got away with the first thing,

Taunton put the ball up to his face, and then he still threw the ball at him. I'm like, Walker, that's the triple pround drawing. You definitely go, right. You ain't know when it stopped. You ain't know what good enough. It was good enough. Arizona do nothing with the ball.

He had him come back out. They hit like a 32, you know, 24, I think dude scrambled for about 15, 20, and then, you know, the P.I. That put them right there. They go to score again. It's 13. No, it's 14 to 3.

14. Yeah. And, you know, basically at the end of the half, Kyler is almost picked on the first one, and then he sacked and pressured in, you know, the half-pens, you know? So you go out there, and I think Darnel went like, he didn't have a bunch of yards, like maybe eight of 11, something like that for 120.

20, 125. Kyler, he had two picks, 14 to 23. I don't even think it was 100 yards, like 80, 85 yards, something like that. And Arizona only had like 107 yards, bro. Like, in the first half? In the first half, that's not what you want to, you know, that's not what you want to start, dude. No, no, not at all.

And then we legitimately with those first two, he had two picks, two turnovers in the first half, they ended up getting one back. And then they got three points off of, with the field goal, but that's not, that's not going to be. That's not what you need on your offense for show. No question. But then A-Z, they come out beginning the third. The boys get a sack fumble, but they let, they let see how to recover it.

And they end up getting three up out of that. So we had, what, 13, no, three to 17, something like that. 17-3, dude. Again, Kyle was under pressure all night, dude. You got sacks six times. Yes, dude, the next possession, dude. he's pressured they get a holding call like then they got a pun again like it's but the defense did finally show up though they did like a they did three and out i think a

couple possessions later or something like that third quarter defense was good okay yeah yeah yeah so that that's yeah they did a three and out i think Arizona was driving the ball but i think they got sack twice yeah they got sack twice and ended up having to sell for a field goal that got behind the change. So, you know how that go. I think that was because basically they had the Jackson Smith for jig, but they had the run. They got it all the way down there.

And then he did the hold in. He got called for holding. He almost got the double flag because that's when he pulled out to the ref. They caught him walking by him on live TV. Ref, that's a bullshit. And the referee looked at him like he wanted to. I ain't going to lie.

I don't think that was a hole. That's one of them situations where you get hit and you get ran over and you just, you know, that he goes up. You know what I mean? I don't know if he's a lot. really putty men like they was trying to say he did. No, for sure.

But that's another, just, that's another play that happened. That's another, that's, that was the flag there. It was on him, and that was another play that kind of stalled another one of their drives. I think Seahawks, like I said, they could have beat them by, they could, I think they could have beat the Cardinals by a lot more. It was more close than it looked. And especially the Seahawks, the Cardinals played a great fourth quarter. You know, you're about to get into that.

But at the beginning of the game, it looked like the Seahawks should have definitely been beating them by a lot more than they were. They should have. I mean, they didn't. Like I said, you had penalties that slowed them down. Even after it was 16 to 7, you know, Seattle comes out and they go 14 plays. And they only get a field goal because they had two penalties. One was a hold.

Yeah. It was a false start. So they end up settling for another, you know, another field goal. It was three field goals there that, you know, could have turned into, you know, seven points right there. Yeah. And, you know, from that point, you know, Carla Murray kind of. does what he needs to do

and takes it sort of into his hands and he just, you know, he's like, you know what, I'm just scrambling up out of here. I think he hit for almost 30 and then they had that huge Piacal.

Yeah, that put him at the nine. And then again, he gets sacked. He gets sacked again and I'm thinking, oh, they're about to be stuck. Marvin finally comes through. 16 y'clock. When he caught that ball, I thought he was about to cry or something.

Oh, bro. How long he stayed down there? because he's been dropping the ball a lot you know like his season hasn't been going the way he wanted it's been previous games he's been dropping the ball so you know he he knows he's good he knows he's not playing to his ability and then them two plays before like him dropping the one

and it's coming off of his fingertips and turning into a turnover you know what I'm saying like he sees stuff he feels very emotion and I can tell he cares he wants to be great so just being able to get in the end zone you know what I'm saying trying to fight back doing a really good job in the fourth quarter coming up with some third down conversions and catching that pass,

I know it was emotional, you know what I'm saying? Just because, like, I've been fighting for my fucking light. Listen, listen, listen, bro, I'm going to lie to you, bray. After Seattle missed that field goal, you know me. It's signed. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I'm like, oh, man, I think that they gave Arizona a shot now. And what a, hey, hey, what a Z you do?

They came back out there, fourth down. They converted that thing, bro. tied it up 20-20. I'm like, oh, my goodness, they might lose this game. And the kicker doesn't get the ball into the drop zone. Brose them at the 45, Darnel completes like a 20, 25-yarder. And then they do a little run. And the field goal, the kicker did to come back out and relieve yourself.

That's why I'm going to respect Darno. He went out there. He made a play the kicker. you got to get it into the drop zone. Right now, we're protecting, the field goal kickers are kicking the ball deep both from way deeper. We had to protect the 35-yard line. Now you've got to protect damn near the 50.

So kick the ball deep and get the ball, like make a tackle within the 20, within the 25, knowing you got to stop at least two first nows. You got to stop 25 yards. The one thing I do respect from the defense was they didn't play bail. They didn't just back up and seed to it. That was man to man. That was a great throwing catch that they had to perform.

It was tight coverage, and they back-shoulded it to get, Jackson Smith for Jigba and Donald made that play. It wasn't just like no, just anybody on them. So I respect them for that, but that's why I feel like Donald and them got credit for that. But at the end of the day, punt the ball deep. So, I mean, kick the ball off deep. Don't get him all the way starting at the 40. So they need, damn, there, 10 yards to be within these new kickers field-go range.

So I think they did make a great play. You know what I'm saying? They had to do that. they didn't just play that backup defense. That man threw a great back shoulder fade. Smith and Jigba got his feet and it was beautiful. But I think they need to do better coverage. And then right there, I mean, it was a great play on the offense.

Yeah. They need more, they need more Marvin Harrison. Collar said after the game, he said he loved the way that he fall back and continued to play hard and continue to make plays. Obviously, he's probably. going to go to he's probably going to go home thinking about that shit but at the end of the day again it's football we all make mistakes but he continued to battle you know I think that's a good job of Kyler you know being a leader and you know instilling you know some uh confidence into you know his uh his young player and letting him know this is not the end all anything could be turned around

just like you said, dude had bad three, three quarters. And in the fourth quarter, you know, he was a big part of why they were able to turn it around. Yeah, thousand percent. I think that's a real great job of Collar just giving his receiver that motivation and letting him know he's still there with him and being able to fight through the first couple of quarters. I know you didn't mean to drop the ball.

It's not your intention to drop, but I know you want to do good. He gets in the end zone how emotionally is with it. So I think it's a really good, his quarterback supporting him. And, you know, just continue to, you got to just, he knows, you know what I'm saying? So, like, you know, people are like, man, you got to catch the ball. It's like this. Obviously, I know Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison Jr. knows this more than we do.

He's going to be out there trying to, he's trying to, he's going to have to just do better. He's going to have to get it up. Yeah, Arizona needs to do better. I mean, the offensive line has to do better. Yeah. Too many pressures, too many sacks. Tyler needs to be able to throw the ball downfield, you know. I think he had, who, I don't know, maybe it was seven or eight passes.

That's that we're actually behind the line of scrimmage. And Marvin obviously has to get out of the funk. He has to go in there and play better. And their defense, they need to be more consistent. They gave up way too many explosive plays. Jacob was eating on the outside. Walker was breaking through a lot of those runs. Yeah, Darno was converting.

Darno was doing a good job, too, just using his legs, hitting Jackson Smith when he needed to. So, I mean, I was honestly, looking at the Seahawks, like they were doing a, they were playing a really good game. Yeah, yeah, it's a really good game. Donald did pretty good, you know what I'm saying? Over there.

He wasn't turning the ball over. Right, right. 18 to 26, 240 yards, touchdown, you know. I think he's starting to earn a little bit of that, you know, three-year, $100 million contract that Seattle gave me. Come on, man. That's right around, you know, that 33 a year. When you got dudes making $60, 55, that's just, boom,

stay with state of keeping it and when you say 33 is keeping it afloat that's that dumb so he's chilling no question he doing he doing with his his pay he's doing what his pay says he should be able to boom right did you know what I'm saying and I love it and just making sure and that man maintaining the ship you don't got to do too much one touchdown zero turn this hey the defense is doing the defense is doing well I didn't think they were as good as they were because you know When they played against my Steelers, I was just, I think that was just hate, you know what I'm saying? No, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

Sure, for sure. So I didn't, I see it now, for sure. But I couldn't, I couldn't see it then. Yeah. No, because, you know, you had your goggles on. You had your Steeler goggles on. Just basically like, we're better than them. I don't know how they're going to come in here and beat us, not really just looking from the outside of that.

So now you're looking from the outside. When they're playing a different team, looking like, okay, oh, I could actually see how they can get some things done. For sure, for sure. Speaking of Steelers, man, my boy, my guy, Big Ben, I guess he had a little bit of criticism for the vanilla Steelers defense ahead of the Ireland Vikings game. He said, to me, without studying our defense, it seems like we're purely vanilla defense as it is.

It doesn't feel like, to me, we're getting a lot of unique pressures, unique defense He said, even, uh, even, no, I think even coach Tomlin said today in his press conference. He says something along the lines of situational and circumstances are preventing them from doing things. And I don't know what that means exactly. He added that it is, he isn't sure what's preventing Pittsburgh from trying new things, but he sure hoped for things to change in the skin. he suggested blitzing cornerback Jayon Ramsey and unique and utilizing linebackers in different ways.

So when I came back in, was it 2014? Yeah, 2014, I was with the bank was in 13. Yeah, I'm retired. Came back, they got me to come back. When I came back, Dick Levoe was still a decontinent, but they had changed that defense. Okay. And when he says it's vanilla, that is a true statement.

They change the defense to make it easier to learn and understand so that players could play sooner. So with the true Dick LeBoe fire zone, there is a real-life learning curve. Like, you could be in a defense that has you blitzing, free, no responsibility. and they motion and now you're locked up man on, you know, number three. But that's like a single nuance that you have to know. And every defense has one weakness. When you go and you try and change things to make it easier for player A or B to play, you create other weaknesses and gaps in the defense.

No, no, for sure, for sure. I think what they're running into, with guys being out of place, people not being covered, is they're changing things so much to try and make it simpler, but they're adding more gaps and holes to the defense in the process.

Yeah. Do you remember the defense? Because I could speak on that. When I came in there in 2017, you were there too. And the way that the fire zones were and just the communication-wise, I've been in, it was good for me

because I've been in being able to be, it was different. it was simple it was vanilla like you said but it was easy because everybody you could be able to understand some stuff like you communication you had to be able in communication with the linebackers because the defensive backs the safeties and the linebackers if there's motions there's going to have to be communications people have to start covering people you could turn from a like you said a blitzer with no responsibilities to garden three to garden two you know what I'm saying so having that communication is big and when coach Tomlin is saying that we're calling vanilla

things, they're just simplifying like just basically like cover twos and just not like everybody standing in the simplified spots, but that's making other positions be able to, it's errors. You know what I'm saying? It's making room for error. There's too much gray. Like you're saying, there shouldn't be gray. You should be able to do this player A can do this, player B can do this. But if you start saying, no, this dude is in this position, we're going to start trying to move

it and make this, make these changes, it makes too much gray. I just like when you, like you said, this is what it is, this is what it is. and you got to be able to communicate that and stand on it instead of being able to, nah, they can't make this play. We're going to start moving and shifting things around. I don't, it creates confusion. Yeah.

Well, what it does is especially for when I got back, even go to last year, the playoff game with, was it Baltimore last year? Was that last year with Baltimore playoff game we had? Was that Stillers playoff? No. Year before? The Steelers?

The last time in the playoffs, Brody, didn't... They played the Ravens or something, didn't they? No, they played the Browns. Are you sure? Or was it the last game of the... No, because Lamar was playing. So it must have been speaking the last game of the season. I don't know if it was the playoff game

because we normally played the... Yeah, January. They got beat by the Ravens in the Wild Card game. Okay. So I'm watching that game, and I'm trying to figure out what's going on. and the outside linebackers that's playing on the end, they're crashing down and the triple option to get to the fullback

where normally you play and you play quarterback to pitch. What they had us do when we did is we actually just ran down to smash the quarterback is what Coach LeBow changed it to. When I saw the linebackers, the outside linebacker smashing down to try and get to the dive, I knew it was in trouble. They had changed it to something that I didn't even recognize. Like I even tweeted out like, why are our outside linebackers crashing down on the dive?

Like now you got Lamar out here free and you got a safety coming down full of speed and you think he ain't going to be able to get loose or pitch it off or whatever it may be. So that's like one of those things that I saw even from when I, after I was gone, that had changed, you know? And like I said, when I came back, I'm sitting there. I'm like, yo, what's going on?

They're like, yeah, we had to simplify it. We called it dumb it down. They said they had to simplify it to make it easier for, you know, guys that, They wanted to play now to be able to play. Where before the learning curve was at least a year, if not two, before you could understand the whole concept of, you know, digible defense.

No, I get that. But I would respect it. I like the way that you said it back. If you have a same coach that's there for a long time that's creating the system that the player is going to have to eventually, it's going to take you a little learning curve to learn it. But once you get it, it's what the defense is. There's not going to be any grade.

There's no mistake. there. I think that you got to take that time to get that learning curve in. But I know just all the coaches like this, no, this young dude, he's good. We're going to need to get him out on the field. No matter if he knows how to really handle this read option, the correct way, we're going to take quarterback every time. And then somebody else is going to right. You try and simplify it. Try to dumb it down. Yes. In that process, you mess up everything else that comes off of that. So now you got to adjust this and you got to adjust that. So now the safety that's supposed to be, you know, doing something else. Now he got to come

down and take care of that so now you're really you're trying to fix one thing here and one thing there but you're really adjusting sometimes the whole defense from it or at least half of it i think that that should go back to at the end of the day too with with that like they would have to just do a better job of training camp installs you know what i'm saying making sure these things are getting drilled making sure these things are getting worked on like just the simple the simple things you know what i'm saying if you have dive if you don't have dive like these are the core values of the defenses, this is what we have to do. You know what I'm saying?

Like the two motioning dudes around, like figuring out that stuff. So that all starts, I think, at training camp, too. But making sure, like, now, just the time that they're using, like, no, we're going to make it easier just being able to get out there. I don't, I don't like, I don't like that particular way to do it. Yeah. Still is in Ireland, baby. So it still is, uh, who they got?

What is that? Who they got in Ireland? Vikings. He's talking about the Vikings. We're going to go ahead and beat them. down over there. You know how it go, man. That's just what we do. Anyway, the Steelers, a beat writer. They hinted at

a renegade surprise in Ireland. I don't know who's in control of this renegade surprise, but don't surprise me again like y'all did against Seattle and play it by Seattle about to kick the ball off so they could be hype as hell.

Please. Don't get that. Our kickoff team. Yes. Our kickoff team. No, no, no, no. No, no. It was Seattle's kickoff. No, I'm saying, but we need to play it during our people. They need to play it on a third, on defense, right before it come up or a fourth, something like that. You don't want the crowd screaming and hollering when the offense is on the field.

You don't want their kickoff team getting hype while they're about to kick the ball off to us, and all they doing is running down there with their hair on fire 100 miles an hour trying to knock somebody's head off. Yep. Yep. You got to know the vibes. You got to know the time to play it. Please. During our kickoff.

No question. Hey, let's get over here to your Browns, though. Let's go. Let's go. Dan Campbell, baby. He said the Browns have the best defense they have faced to date. Campbell said that Detroit's offense hasn't faced a defense as good as Cleveland yet.

You see, what they did to Green Bay, this defense is real. This is probably the best defense we face to date. What do you think of that statement? This is what I'm saying.

This is a smart coach. Dan Campbell, he knows the Browns are, no bulletin board material here. He's trying to rub the ego. You know what I'm saying? He knows that one. Stroke it. Stroke the ego. Tell me how good I tell me how good I am.

So now the Browns defense goes in there trying to chill. No, I love it, though. Dan Campbell's a great coach. He's speaking facts. The Browns defense is playing amazing. And I want them to continue to play with their head on fire, knowing that they're coming in against now, Jibril Gibbs and Montgomery, you know what I'm saying,

with those two-headed monsters that can really tote the ball. So, I mean, I respect everything to Dan Campbell saying he's speaking facts, but at the same time, he's speaking to his team, knowing what they have on that side of the ball, what they have with their running game, and what they're trying to bring to the game. So I think it's going to be a big time, a really good game with the Browns defense coming in there

with playing at such a high level. Everybody making plays in all the different levels. But Dan Campbell is basically speaking like, you know, I know they're good, I know they're good, but talking to his team, he's ready to come out there and try to establish their dominance because they're both physical teams. Like, that's the thing.

It's going to be line versus line, D-line versus D-line versus D-line. D-line versus offensive line. Both of them are going to be trying to establish their dominance. So I think it's going to be just a really good game to watch. Oh, yeah, no question. Like, we do the same thing. You go ahead and coach, Coach Carl would tell us, like, yeah,

you never give them bulletin board material. You be respectful. You stroke the ego. You give them all the comments that all the compliments that you can. And what we go do is go out here and prepare to try and destroy them. he is a yeah he he's a he's a he's a coach that was a player he knows how it goes they're sure you know what I'm saying we're gonna respect them you know what I'm saying everybody respect because that's what they deserve their NFL team they're coming out

there putting their boots on they're gonna do this regardless if to if I say anything like no the Brown's like we're gonna come out there and run over them now I'm giving them some reason to extra fire no let me tell them how good they are just coming here thinking it's sweet and then we're going to bust your ass real quick and then go about our business to the next. And I think that's what kind of happened with, you know, Green Bay. They went in there thinking, oh, it's Cleveland. And we go, you know, we go on here and do it.

It's what we do. And not thinking they really about to be in for a fight and they ended up losing the game because they didn't realize how capable the defense was. You remember your man was talking about, oh, they was going undefeated before they played the Browns the whole season. They didn't just disrespect us.

He went into disrespecting the whole league. Whole league. You got, you got, you got, you got, you got a fight for your life for the next 14 weeks. Brother. Because it's something you said in week two. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And then the first week after you said it ain't a smacked up on you, pach out.

Wow. A couple more, yeah, 12 more of them. Like, what are you talking about, man? That's, that's just out of control, man. Got to watch your mouth sometimes, man. No question. Speaking of defense. man. Kyle Helminton defended Baltimore Ravens coordinator or today saying the sky is not falling.

They're only three games into the season. Helminton said it's unfair to put all the blame on him when there are 11 when they're 11 guys out there on the field and they're playing their hearts out and he puts us in the right positions. It's just a matter of us doing the right stuff. the Ravens what do you think he's saying he's saying what we were saying before he's saying what we're saying man player the thing I love

about Kyle Harris You're playing like trash You're playing bad And I and the sky don't lie Your man is catching the ball And I think Kyle Hamilton is saying How are you going to call on the coach When we're getting beat

We're not in the right spot Somebody's running against them Every play that they show shows us on the tape, somebody's not in position. So there's nothing that coach could do about that, but either to be on the field, like if somebody knocks me out of my gap, what the hell coach going to call

that's going to make me better to be in my gap? And I'm saying, so I think Kyle is taking the player, the responsibility of like, end of the day, we're out there. We're not communicating right. If we were on the right page and if we were looking at the place and everybody was in the position

and somehow we were going to beat, then that's a whole different situation. But if they were, We're in the position in the defense, then, yeah, go ahead, throw that on the coordinator. But you're talking about guys being there, just not making the play. Or guys totally blowing an assignment and not being where it's supposed to be. That's, like you said, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that has nothing to do. I mean, Baltimore is currently 32nd in total yards, 30th and run defense, 30 first in past defense, and 30 first and points.

allowed like they're dead last like i don't don't know what else you could say like that's and when you like i said when you watch the games it's not that they're you know they're just getting you know out of position they're hitting weaknesses in the defense it's nothing like that they're getting beat pushed around missing tackles missing assignments like at some point you got to go out there and do your job helmington also added he says I feel like sometimes Ravens can be a little spoiled, just like the amount of success this franchise has had. We lost five games in 2024,

and the world is about to end. Do you think Ravens fans are, I guess, spoiled by the success? I mean, for the last since Lamar Jackson's been there, they've won a lot of games. You know what I'm saying? I mean, their playoff success hasn't been great, but we're to the point now when we know the raves is going to be good, how far they're going to get into playoffs?

Can they beat the Chiefs? Can they beat the bills? There's always been an AFC since Lamar Jackson's been there. So I can see them saying getting comfortable, but at the end of the day, the players got to walk into the stadium and win the games. So, like, if you're not performing to a high level and you're giving up, you have the 31st ranked defense in a lot of categories, that's not on the fans. You know what I'm saying?

They have reason to be like, this is like, if you're like 15th or 10th or something like that, and they're like, man, come on, man, we were number one. right last fool like they got they got calls to pause and be like you got to make some tackles you got to make some things like spoiled now no listen man y'all dead last if not second to last in every category that you got defensively right now so it's not about being being spoiled it's about y'all playing like absolute trash they're they're they're upset dude i remember like you said i remember when we was in you know when i was with the stillers from 2000s when I started until 2012,

we went 1-1-5-2-1-1. That was our defensive ranking. Dude, when we were five, we were like, bro, we are trash. We like, bro, we asked, like, what are we doing out here, man? And that was a five. It's not a situation like that.

And the crazy thing, it's like some of the fans were saying the same thing, but we was a five-ranked defense. Like that was- No, no, no. That right there is, that right there is when, and there could be a little, what would he say? What was he saying?

The fans are a little spoiled. Spoil. That's when you're a little spoiled. If you go for 1-1, 2, 5, man, what y'all doing out here? Spoil. If you go from 1-1-31-1-31. You could ask, ask, ask, S-R-C.

We was like, bro, what's going to? Like, we're trash. What's going on, bro? And we really thought we was trash. Like, we're like, we're five. Like, what's going on? Like, it's more than the people in front of us. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. No, that's a standard. though that you all got a set that's lit oh man man no question that's like bro that success that like just you know even when I came in that was just

what it was like my OGs you know Jason Gill and Joey Porter like like this is what it is this is the standard like and they went out there did it showed it worked it from off the field to on the field and everything that they did was in pursuit of a championship

dude like do you sense that Baltimore's championship window might be starting to close here? I don't think that it's starting to close. I think that... Do you think the fans may think it's starting to close then? I think the fans may start... I think the fans are just worried about right now.

They still got Lamar. As long as you got Lamar, they got a chance. But I think that the defense... They ain't happening, dude. They got Lamar. And look what's happening. I mean... They can't get over how bad the defense is.

The defense, like I said, with Kyle Hamilton, I think he... know he's a baller and I know that they have players. It's not, it's not the players, the players have to play better. And if they don't start playing better, it's going to continue to show, and I don't think it's nothing that the defensive coordinator can do. So I think that

these dudes got to start physically, individuals, each 111 start playing better, looking at the tape, making sure that they make these plays. So, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not going to root them out, but at the same time, I mean, I'm not, it's not looking good.

Listen, any You're going to root them out. You waste the talents of Lamar Jackson. It's not like every year it's going to be the same. He's going to start to decline at some point. And you need to be able to take advantage of that. You know, you're not going to have those same 53 guys on the roster each year. And when you lose one guy at this position or that position that was a key, you know, role player,

that can be the difference between you getting in the playoffs, not getting in the playoffs. I was winning the Super Bowl, not winning the Super Bowl. I think it's a little bit of a window starting to close, especially if they cannot fix that defense because it's almost like it doesn't matter what he does. If they don't score every possession, they're not going to be able to win because the defense is dead last and everything

and can't stop nothing. Like, no, you're right. If the defense don't, the defense doesn't improve, they're going to, they don't, they don't stand a chance. A thousand percent. I'm saying, can they, do you think they can improve? Is the question. Do you think they will improve is the question.

Do you? That's the, that's the hard thing. I think, I don't know who they, they, they get to play next. I think they need a game that is like, one of those easier games like yo we got to fight a little but

and then like go out there and have tremendous success I think it would give them some confidence but you're just like the missing tackles thing is hard that's something I mean I know it's early

I hope they don't fix it at least before they play the Steelers twice like that's said. Like, I tell you what, they play the chiefs this week, right? I think they play the chiefs this week. And Kansas City, all right? So this is what I'm going to do. Or this is what I'm going to say. Dude, there's no way they shouldn't be Kansas City. But if they lose that, they ain't going to get a fixed this year. If they win that, it got a possibility of getting fixed this year.

Joe, where you at? Joe, you hit mute. Yo, yo, yo, yo. You hitting you, bro. Oh, no. Somebody. I'm looking like, what is he? Is he?

My bad. My bad. I said, I thought you was miming. I said, I said, I was. Okay, my bad. My bad. No more mute. No more mute.

I was trying to say, I'm trying to figure out how the game is played out, though. You said they played the Chiefs. I heard you clearly, though, Debo. Me and you, we never lost. I want to see how the game plays out. I want to see how, what the defense looks like, what they can do against Patrick McHomes, if they can create some sacks, if they can get some turnovers, if they can just be in their gaps, if they just don't have people running around, like, Scott Free.

You know what I'm saying? Like, just play trying to get on a, have a good game as a defensive team. no bus just looking fluid looking like they're running some stuff so I mean offensive wise like we said but that's the thing too with the Ravens playing against it's Patrick Mahomes and it's the bills for Lamar Jackson

I think during the regular season he's going to ball out regardless I think he's going to hoop because that's just what he does I just want to see when the game gets close is it tight at the end the fourth quarter who's going to make those plays whose defense going to make those stops because I don't think it's going to be a blowout

you know what I'm saying I think that these two teams they're really really capable But once you get to the fourth, that's what's going to determine what happens in the game. Hey, you got a question. Yes. Remember a dude named Orlando Brown, Jr.? Yes, I do. Well, he said his welcome to the NFL moment came from you.

Let's take a listen, bro. And I see him dip low, and he lit my big ass up. What was your welcome to the NFL moment? People never expected hear this, but I got T.J. Y. One-on-one all game. Played my ass off. I was out there snapping. But early in that game, like the first series, pulled around on a toss crack, and I see Joe Hayden is me and him.

I'm just kicking out the corner. And I see him dip low, and he lit my big ass up. Man, I was seeing stars tinglingly on the right side. And it was right in front of Mike Tomlin. I'll never forget. Because I'm looking at, I'm pulling. I'm like, man, it's a five-foot tank planner. What the hell is this dude?

Yeah, yeah, people, I hit me so hard. And that was like, for me, that was like a wake-up call. Like, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I've been caught. cost living like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Debo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Debo, you heard it.

You heard it. I live ways, Debo. Come on, man. Oh, hey, got you one. Bro, okay. I'm trying to tell you, that's the one thing I probably. I definitely remember that, bro. I lifted his ass up so good right in front of Coach T.

Same foot, same shoulder. I need that. Hey, hey, on the way. though, what was you thinking? I'm thinking he thinks I'm slipping. He thinks he's going to fold me. I got something for his ass. That's what I'm thinking.

And I'm in front of the bitch. Yeah. I'm like this. You get same foot, same shoulder. All that. He was hoping you wouldn't go come in there with that. He was probably looking to go ahead and swallow you up. Just grab like that.

Just go ahead. Yes. cool, whoa, whoa. I said, following you up, pause. Oh, whoa, whoa, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, pause. Pause, admirable, pause. No question. But, Debo, I'm trying to tell you,

this is the one thing that you always said, that the coach would say this too, like everybody got something dirty to their job. Okay, everybody got something dirty. And if you got the end, man, you got a nub in, and it's crack replace, you got to replace. If there's a pulling edge, you got to come set that edge.

And I want to, I respect I love being the cover corner, but at the same time, I'm not afraid to come hit. Like, that's what football is. Ever since we was a kid, we're trying to, bum, like, I'm trying, yeah, catch somebody slipping or anything like that. So now I'm like, all right, bet, these are big dudes, whatever, they come around the corner, but it's not, I'm not going to do it. I don't have to do it every single play because I'm a corner.

But when I do have to get my hat dirty, I'm going to come in this joint and get my hat dirty. And that's why I love people on my team. They respect it because I love tackling. You know what I'm saying? and I never, I never, never, never duck contact. Oh, no question. You got to come in there.

You got to come in there one of them times, at least early, and you got to give them what they're looking for or what they ain't looking for. They think you're going to come in there and do a, do a shake. Uh-uh, you come in there and raise on him. Now that next one, don't come in there like that. He'll go dive at you. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want no more parts of Orlando now.

He would have came and smack me, but I had to get my one off on them, for sure. Oh, man. I want no parts of Orlando now, brother. No, no, no. I gave him that one early. The Eagles, man, they're going down to Tampa. Baker Mayfield said traveling early won't help the Eagles with the heat.

What's the hottest game you ever played? What's the hottest weather you ever played in? Man, I could just say the hottest weather I ever played in. It had to be when I was at the University of Florida during training camps at Florida. Training camps in Florida was the hottest whether I've ever been in my life had to be in the hundreds for show. And you would see, you would just look out, Debo, and you would just see, like, you'll be looking at your homie. But if he was like 10 yards away from you, it didn't look like it was, you could see heat waves in between. You know what I'm saying?

I was like this. What the fuck is that? And the coach, Coach Marry, be like, yeah, that's hell. I'm like, oh, my God. And you would just be standing there. Sometimes you wouldn't know why you were so exhausted. because you'll just be drenched. Your socks just,

mush, everything just... Down to your shoes, yeah. Down to your shoes, your shoes are wet. I'm like this, I didn't do nothing in the water. It's hot out here,

and then you got to change your socks because it's like you have literally drenched wet, and you're just getting... The exhaustion happens. You get to be standing there and just sweat running down your body. And it's humid.

The humidity. It's just that heat that when you step outside, it's just sweaty and muggy. So, like, Florida Gator can't heat nothing like it and we was on turf

oh oh my yeah yeah oh man that's like your feet are on fire too they're burning at the bottom that's like training the AZ dude

like literally standing on ice in between reps to cool your cleats off because your feet is burning like you can't do it no other way dude it don't happen I don't know if

I don't know why you would travel early just for the heat like less you know They ain't going to adapt you. Right, right. What we would do is when, you know, we had a game that was supposed to be like warm or something, you just go to the indoor, turn, they blast the heat up.

You know, you adapt that way. That way you get a whole, you know, you get a whole week of trying, especially, you know, up north. It's cold, you know, whenever you're going down there, you know, a little in between the season. So throw you inside, throw the heat up. Exactly. the indoor facility.

Exactly. Yeah. Unless they just wanted to go early because you're down there in Temple, you know. Oh, no. That's the opposite, Debo. I don't know. Hey, Coach might want to go early, you know.

Everybody ain't playing physically the game. Keep the main thing, the main thing. Yeah, you keep the main thing, the main thing. But you and I both know that some people don't always keep the main thing to the main thing. I know, I know. That's why I would have brought them down. Last minute.

Last minute. I'm bringing down the latest possible. Y'all going to get a good night's sleep. We're going to land, have a show. Good night's sleep. Then we're going to pop up and play this game. Good little food. Good little meat.

I ain't giving you no free time, dude. No, bad check, too. I'm bad checking. Listen, man, I'm going to tell you. So I went and we go out to. California, dude, and we leave early. I'm like, dude, why are we leaving early, dude? Like, we was there for like, like, two or three days before the gang.

I'm like, yeah, I do not like this at all. Like, and curfew, like curfew. You're going to curfew me on a day that you wouldn't even curfew me at the crib. So why you go? It ain't like I'm going to go nowhere. I just, the fact that you just told me I couldn't even if I wanted to. It's the principal. Yeah, just the principality.

The principality. I don't like that. And when you go Cali the other way, you get time. So you could actually, you know, afford to leave a little later. I would think, you know, but I don't know. But that was the only time. Actually, that's the only time I've ever went early for a game. But with the Cali trip?

Yeah. I think that was with Cincinnati but any other time we don't go early we go at the normal time make sure you get yourself in bed early that's it I think we did the same

we tried to go I think we went out there I think we might have went the day early but the crazy part we only went the day early but we kept the time the same time like we left like

so we would go to sleep we were acting like we were still in like Pittsburgh while we were in LA, like with the times and with the curfews and with this guy. So we nobody were really like throw it off. So when you got

out there, you kind of tried to go to sleep. Same time, like it was literally like we were still there playing at a like four o'clock game instead of being one of something, something like that. Well, however they did it. But the math mapped up. So we didn't change our time clock in our head at all.

It was actually dope. Yeah. For sure. For sure. So Shane, is that Steichen? he said Matthew Stafford is probably one of the best to ever do it do you think Stafford is a Hall of Famer I I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I'm going to give it to my to my bulldog he won this is the thing people always say he got him a Super Bowl to so for everybody else's

stats but just me as a watching him throw the ball what he did all of those years in Detroit, I'm not going to knock him for not being able to win playoff games or make them go deep into spots in his career. I don't think that's his fault. I think that he had him and Calvin Johnson, his numbers in the way that he performed and the way that he fought through injuries

and the way that he basically led Detroit was kind of the only bright spot out there for a long time. I don't think that's his fault. And then for him to be able to go to the Rams in that year, go win a Super Bowl, being able to show like, if I do have a squad with me, if I am surrounded by great players,

you know what I'm saying, with defense, offense, coaching staff, I'm not the reason why we weren't successful. You know what I'm saying? I think he was there for a little bit longer in Detroit. I think he would, if he went to west somewhere else,

he could have more Super Bowls. Maybe not, but it's seen that he did go somewhere, win one, and with his numbers, with the way that I see him just throwing the football, with his, with, from the eye test,

he looks like just all the different angles, all the different, uh, passes he can complete. I'm a fan of his. I played him in college. He played in Georgia. I was at Florida.

So I've been watching his career ever since he got drafted. So he's definitely in my eyes. It just is consistency, longevity, great dudes, stayed out of trouble, been a consistent leader. You know if you got Matthew Stafford, he's not going to be in the press. He's not going to do any drama. He's going to bring football. He's going to be a great quarterback. He's not going to do anything to make your franchise to down your franchise or make them any stain on it.

So I respect them. I really, really like Matthew Stafford. I think that he's a, he's a Hall of Famer. And I don't think he's done yet. I think he's still going to play. He's still got a couple more years left. And, yeah, for sure. I definitely think Matthew Staff is a Hall of Fame.

I don't, I don't know if I'll, I'll say he is or isn't a Hall of Famer. I'm just not 100% on, like, his total body of work, especially with when he was in Detroit. I think, you know, he had Calvin, that's, you know, that's a big help. But I don't know, it feels like now that if a quarterback goes and wins a Super Bowl and has the eye test of numbers, then, you know, it's like he's automatically a Hall of Famer, you know, it's not, you know, yes. You have a great run here and there like he, you know, he did with L.A. You have quarterbacks that, you know, do the same thing.

Have a, you know, have a couple great runs, you know, get a Super Bowl. And now, you know, it's, you know, it's Hall of Fame. I think it has to be like more to it. Like, did I fear that player when, you know, was I concerned about that, that player? Like when, you know, you play certain quarterbacks, you're like, okay, we know that we got to make sure we don't let him beat us. Like, we got to, we got to play tight. We got, we got to be, we got to secure our tackles. And then some quarterbacks, you're like, you know what, wait for your opportunity.

At some point, he'll go hit you in the face with the ball, you know. So I don't know if just, you know, one, two, three, you know. years of a good run, great run, whatever it may be, is, it's Hall of Fame. I just feel like, like, I'm not saying like this about any particular one person, but I just feel like it's getting, it's getting easier to get into the Hall of Fame. It's like some of them is a Hall of Free. Right. It's really getting getting a little, like, watered down, you know, like, like Dionne Sanders was saying,

like they need to have a. a different room for, you know, guys that are those, you know, first ballot type guys or something like that. Because, you know, right now, it seems, you know, if you, you know, if you're like a head coach and you got to win a record, you got a, you got a Super Bowl, now you're Hall of Fame, you know. So you, I know what you're saying. You're not trying to get, just let everybody go haul.

Is this more, like a more quarterback. with a Super Bowl? My thing is this, did you change the game? Did they fear you, respect you? Did they have to do everything? Like, it was, it was game plan to stop you? Or was it a situation where, you know what, we need to stop this? Like, you're going to a game and you're like, you know what?

Hey, we're not going to let this running back beat us. We're going to stop the run and they're going to have to. use their quarterback and he's going to have to throw them into a win. That's things that we would do, especially like under Dick the Bow. We know that they pass the ball great, whatever it is, okay? We're going to do everything

we can to double the stars. You know what I'm talking about. You double this receiver. We're going to take them away and make them have to beat us either running the ball which they're not going to do or using a different receiver.

So my thing is, if they didn't game plan for you like that and now you have the numbers to go with it you impacted the game maybe you changed the game you know what I'm saying

Heinz Ward they Chines Ward changed the game they made crackback rules because of Heinz Ward okay? Yeah like in a time where they weren't passing like now

right that was a person that they had to game plan for. Hines was going to do catch that rock and still bust your middle linebacker in the mouth. Yeah. Like, players like that is like, okay, yeah,

I can see that right there, the total body of work, but coming in, you know, two, three. I won. Definitely. I think, I think, I think, I think the Hall of Fame,

Hall of Fame talk is a really good talk about just the, how, how we think people should be able to get in. You know what I'm saying? Like, is it on not only a couple of runs, like you said, different rooms and not First Ballard Hall of Famers. Those do you treat it differently. When is he

ever going to, could he ever get into the hall? Fourth Ballard. You know what I'm saying? There's definitely levels to the First Battle of Hall of Famer. Like, look at, you know what I'm saying? Terrell Owens. You take Terrell Owens and you take his numbers and you put everything up there

and you erase his name first ballot. Because he was Terrell once and the reporters and all the other stuff didn't like to do, they got, this is their chance

now to, oh, I ain't like him. So I'm going to get my get back. I'm going to hold him out. Mm-hmm. No. There's no way.

Like, it's no way. He ended up getting in, but that's exactly. Yes. But that's what I'm saying. The people that are making these judgments, they have their own personal vendettas

of their own with different players to, oh, this is my time to go ahead and assert my dominus. Now I can get, I could get some revenge for whatever it is that it may be. You know, look at, um, AB. Hey, look, brother, I'll see. I was about to stay there. A.B. will not, I do not believe A.B. will get in first battle.

I don't believe. I don't believe it will be another T.O. situation where if he gets in. He is. If he gets in, think about this. And that's what he's... Guys voting for it. Now, if you cut... I know, that's what he's saying. His numbers there, you take out all the off-field.

Yes. You take all the stuff that wasn't actually football out of it. And you just look at his work, his numbers. For his ballot, boy? Yes. And what are we talking about? Yes. A thousand percent.

Chances are he may not see it until it's way way past that. Well, he's, he's not going to see it. Dude, he might get senior category. Since they did it to T.O. And he was on the field, and they gave him, like, second or third, A, B. There's, I don't, they be, well, like you see, like we both just said. Dude, T.O. was way longer than second or third. No, what was T.O? What was T.O.?

They had him waiting. It had him waiting years, bro. It had to be, like, 10 years. Tio What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, uh, how many times was it that Tio? What about the? When we found a ballot he got in. Yeah, but you say, so I, I know Tio waited a couple of ballots, but you say,

he waited more than a couple, bro. He literally just got in, not even what, five, six years ago, right? Well, if you got to five, but don't you, you got to wait, you got to wait at least five once you get, once you retire. No, I'm saying, like, how many ballots? he went through. Oh, you say he went through five ballots. He ain't getting into the third. Third, okay. Third, third ballot. Yeah.

He should have been first off rip. He should have been first off rip. That's what we're being the same. We're in the same. Like, we're looking crazy. He made it to the third. Like, and, but. Dude, Calvin first. Calvin first. Calvin first. Calvin first. Calvin first. Calvin Oh, eight years. Calvin clean. Calvin clean. Calvin clean. Right. Clean. You know what I'm saying? like they liked

they loved that obviously you're going to get stuff for that for show yes but I'm saying so what I mean I just know as a talent AB's Hall of Fame like crazy Hall of Fame like that room that Dion

talking about Hall of Fame the other room Hall of Fame but then when you want to say you're going to add in like is it a Hall of Fame like the way that he acted whatever people want to put it in so then I'm I know they it ain't people it's them 40-something people that are voting these rights, that's what I'm talking about, them people.

Get to go ahead and, you know, take their revenge. Like, pure numbers. Everybody. Come on, stop it. Everybody, though. But, like, I don't. At some point, the guys that's in there, they need to be like, you know what?

The guys that's in are the guys that's going to vote other guys in. They know ball. These dudes out here are taking revenge Yeah, no, no, no Hall of Fame, say, hey, I got to look at the Who, yeah, I'm gonna check, I gotta check the, I gotta Check the voters, check who the voters are.

Yeah, we're gonna check on the voters, got to. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, I just, yeah, dude, I really don't understand it. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we bought out of time, look here, man. We want to thank you all again for joining us on this episode, Debo and Joe. Please hit

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