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Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders being named as a Pro Bowl replacement, the Cleveland Browns inability to find a new head coach, Colorado coach Deion "Coach Prime" Sanders announcing new player fines, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Shedeur named Pro Bowl replacement20:00 - Browns head coach search31:00 - Steelers waiting on Aaron Rodgers decision41:25 - Sean Payton's old school coaching49:23 - Coach Prime's new Colorado fines53:38 - Joe Brady named Bills coach (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My boy Shador is in the Pro Bowl, so I'm happy for him. Yes, yes, definitely. What do you think of that? What do you think about that? So look, it's a big thing about the Pro Bowl now, though, Debo. honestly, I don't think, I'm happy. So I don't want to, I'm not going to knock your door, but I think that people don't take the Pro Bowl,

the players just don't take it as serious right now. You know what I'm saying? Like people bowing out, like all the quarterbacks. Like, once you get in, I know when I first came to the league, getting into the Pro Bowl was something I wanted to do. Huge. That was one of the biggest accomplishments,

knowing that you were going to be a pro bowler. I remember just watching Deon, watching Champ, watching all of the dudes just going into that game. and just being able to be the All-Star, like the All-Star game. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was just something that I always wanted and I wanted to be recognized as a pro-bowler. I think now it's just getting a little watered down, basically because it's a lot of the dudes, if you don't make it, it's injuries, it's Josh Allen didn't go.

It's like Herbert, you know what I'm saying, Drake May, the Super Bowl players that can go, the Super Bowl team. So it kind of just gets knocked down. I think for Shador to be able to get in, listen, Huntley got in. Tyler Huntley got into the Pro Bowl. He only played five games. He threw for 658 yards, two touchdowns, and like three picks. And he still made the Pro Bowl in 2023.

So if we're going to knock Shador for going to the Pro Bowl, we can't knock him. Like, it wasn't, it just, it makes it look watered down, obviously. I'm not going to knock him. I'm happy for him that he made it. He did go out there and perform. But it just goes to show it's a lot of people that are injured. It's people, the players just aren't taking it as serious. as they used to.

And I think that that's kind of why some people are hating because it's like, you know, he played, he started seven games, he played eight, his numbers, 14, 100 yards, seven touchdowns, 10 picks. It's nothing to, like, you know what I'm saying? It's not like, oh, my goodness, like, that was great numbers. But when you look at it, like all the people that bowed out, all the players that were able to go to the football, like, no, I'm not going to play, because it's flag football now.

You know what I'm saying? It's not like it used to. The dudes aren't going out there. I haven't been watching the Pro Bowl. You know what I'm saying? It's just not what it used to be. I remember when you used to watch, you used to love it.

Like you knew you were going to get some competition. You were going to get people hitting. It was something to watch. Now it's just the real thing is all pro. If you get AP All Pro Pro Bowls are still good. You want to get those on your resumes. You want to be able to have those just because once it's all set and done, it looks good.

How many times did you go to the Pro Bowl if you want to have your fight for the Hall of Fame? It just looks good on your resume. But, like, as of now, it's just starting to look. It's starting to get super watered down because players aren't taking that serious. A lot of dudes are bowing out. You know what I'm saying? So I can see why people are like, man, looking at your door, like, I don't think he's a Pro Bowl. I don't think he deserved to be in there.

But when you look at it, how many people are really bowing out of the Pro Bowl? The guys that are nominated really, I don't think, are taking that serious. And if you get to look and see, like, did the certain players did, I would look and see, like, who the other quarterback's, my homes he's out he's in the afc daniel jones hurt surgery bow nicks hurt surgery trevor lawrence they asked him did he want to be in it he bowed out you know what i'm saying so when there's the players like who is actually going to be in the pro bowl what players do you have then you have cam ward i looked at him and you got shadore you don't know the i think the fans might have voted for shador because the pro bowl also is a third the fan votes a third the player votes

and the third the coaches votes. So it could turn into a popularity contest too where into the day like they, all right, look, Shador, he did good, he definitely bought out. Huntley made it to the Pro Bowl. These other guys went out. Shador's going to go then.

Fans are going to be there. Everybody's, there's got a lot more reason for some people to watch. So that's kind of how I look at the whole thing happening. It's not against Shador, but I'm happy for him. He's now going to have that Pro Bowl under his belt. But you can see why people are like, it's kind of watered down because if you were just to look at the season to see the

quarterbacks and by this, does Shador have a pro bowl year? Is he one of those top guys that you think are in the pro? I'm like, no. But if people are bounding out, if guys are going down, you start to look at who's available, yes, then you can say, you know what? Damn right, because Tyler Huntley did it with 654 yards and played five games. And he's a pro bowler, you know what I'm saying? So I can't knock him being a pro bowler and then seeing Chador being able to get into it.

I'm not mad at it, but I can see why people can be like, man, da-da-da-da. But it's watered down now a little bit. But that's not, that's not Shador's fault. Right. Yeah, I think it doesn't turn into more of popularity contests. Like I said, I'm not mad at it either. The NFL, they want eyes on it. What's going to put eyes on?

Like, y'all looking at the fan vote, y'all know what's going to put eyes on it. And, bro, I ain't go lots you. I don't even know how y'all did y'all. Y'all, y'all pro-bo voting. But when I first got, when I first got to the Steelers, I'm going to keep you the buck with you, okay? So when I first got there and, you know, I got a chance that I was doing my first, you know, pro-bo voting. Yeah. You know, I get into there.

You know, you're going to the meeting. And with cow, you know, if you, if you five minutes early, you ain't got, never worried about being late. So I was afraid of being late. I was young. So I got in there early, right? So I'm going to grab my paper. I sit down and I'm starting to look at the sheets. You know, they got the sheets.

Yeah. And I'm starting to pick guys, whatever. And as I started doing that, you know, everybody else started coming in. And then everybody else started coming in, you got one person that went to the board. So they went to the board. And when they went to the board, they wrote down the positions and then they put names under it. So what we were doing was putting down names of players that we knew were least likely to make it to the Pro Bowl. Oh, damn.

Okay, so listen. So that it gave your play, because you can't vote for your players, so it gave you more chance to get in. Right. So it gave you more of a chance of getting in. So I'm looking, I'm like, okay, well, you know, why we, da-da-da-da-da-da. And then that's when they're like, yo, you can't vote for your own team. So half my sheet was messed up anyway, so it didn't matter how to start over. Yeah.

So I'm looking and I'm like, okay, okay. And I'm seeing like, I'm seeing names up there. I'm like, who is that? And it's a backup. You know what I'm saying? And so. Because the thing is, too, y'all are voting for, I think the people, we're voting for, when DBs do it, we're voting for the receivers.

Who are you guys? Who are you voting for? Are y'all doing it as? When I first started doing it, we voted for the whole thing across the board. Wow. See, that's savage. that savage that savage it was across the board and then I think it ended up I don't even remember voting after a while to be honest with you bro so what it came down to is like say say say I had a good season and you know it was like all right we got we got to make sure de bo getting in well instead of voting for say sucks had a good season instead of voting for sucks we vote for somebody else that was like a backup that was on a list that didn't have a chance of getting in.

Okay? Ebo. Yeah. This is what we ended up finding out. This is what we ended up finding out is that everybody else caught on to that too, because you know it sometimes when you look at the probe on, you're like, how do he make it? Uh-huh.

Well, everybody else started doing the same thing, and they was picking the same names, obviously. Oh, so everybody was inside the thought they was trying to back door each other. And next thing you know, we're trying to back door each other. And then, you know, when you add on to it, like you said, the fan vote, is a third of it. The coaches vote is a third of it. The players vote is a third on it. Now, you go

and you add into that that coaches, they voting too. You think a coach go vote a guy in that they think could get in over somebody else that they maybe think can't get in and this player that they have has a

bonus attached to a pro bowl. I'm going to tell you this. I will hope so. I will hope so because I'm telling you the way when we When we voted for the pro vote, when we voted for the pro vote, we voted the right way. I'm just saying because I know we were voting for the receivers and we was like, who cooked us? You know what I think they might have changed it during the process where you ended up voting

for whoever it was that your position was that you went against. Okay. Like when I first, like 2002 when I first got, that's what it was, bro. Like that's what we were. Like, they had to check it up. Because that's what makes sense. That's what makes sense. If you don't really remember voting, much to be honest with you after that.

But like the system is flawed, dude. It's human beings, bro. And it's the same thing, bro. When you look at, like you said, the R-Pro selections, the Hall of Fame selections, bro, it's 50 people that vote on that. It's not the same 50 for the Hall of Fame as it is for the R-Pro.

But you're still counting on humans. And a lot of these dudes are journalists. Those are the journalists in the broadcasts. They're feelings about things. Like, they're feeling slighted. Like, you got people who may not want to do interviews with them. You have people who may not have been media friendly, bro. Like, whatever the reason may be, it don't matter.

But now it's their chance to get their get back. And as they say, it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. And the rabbit got the gun then. Look at T.O., dude. He didn't even get in to, like, his second or third time. Come on. Yeah. Come on, bro.

But you put in people before him. that didn't have the numbers he had that were first ballot. Kevin Green, bro. Kevin Green, what was it? 2016, bro, he didn't get into 2016. Listen to this, bro. It's only two players, I think, in the Hall of Fame right now that got more sacks to him. The man got 160 sacks.

That's crazy. 160 sacks. And he had to wait until 2016. I don't know what the reason was, but they had something against KG. And even Dick LeBoe, bro. Dickler-Bow, 62 interception. You hear me, Joe? Yeah.

2010. And he got it back in the heyday, bro. 59 to 72. And he ain't getting into 2010. Like, that's crazy, bro. And to me, I think what's happening is these voters, they aren't true historians, like, of the game. Because if they were real historians of the game and had historical knowledge and understanding of the game and what people, you know, in the development of the game, like Dick Leboe,

bro, he would have been in there a long time. Kevin Green would have been in there a long time ago, dude. And like, it's, like, it's a clarity to digest about who likes you, who doesn't like you, because it's flawed. It's human beings, dude. No, for sure. People are flawed, period. And people start getting passed on, bro. 9-2. Passed on.

Who's nine two? Nine two. What? Hold on. Who's nine to, Debo? Are you talking about you? No, no, no. No, but I'm with you.

No, it's nine. The Hall of Fame, I think that, like you said, when people, they just start getting looked by. They start looking past people, the 62 interceptions, all that. Like, that's, that's Hall of Fame. But once they start getting past that, And they start liking people in the stories and all that stuff, you know. Like I said, the historical knowledge and understanding of the game.

These writers and they don't understand that. They don't look into that. They're looking at now. And when you go and you look like it's so far back in history, like when they put somebody in there that's so far gone and past NFL history, how many people are going to come watch this induction? What is their bottom line? It's a business. And that's the sad part to it, you know.

Like when I remember, like just how Chris Carter, Tori Holtz, you know. And I'm not going to lie too. Like Assonte Samuel, when they bring up, Assonte Samuel has 52 picks. I'm like, dude, I love, love, love my fate. Like, Dorel Revis, he was in the league when I was here. 2010, I had six picks. He had zero picks. Still went to the Pro Bowl.

he's Revis Island. Like you will look at that stuff and see, Revis had 29 career picks. Santa, I love it. He deserved to be First Ballad Hall of Fame. But Santi Samuel's been out for a while. He has 52 picks, Super Bowls, crazy amount of Pro Bowls,

and he still isn't into the Hall of Fame so he can easily get bypassed. The next thing you know, nobody's speaking on Asante, so I can see why he's mad because, like, Dion, obviously, first ballot deserves it all. But he got the same amount of picks

as Asante Samuel, and he has Super Bowls and all. So Dion's in a different class, but Asante deserves to be in that room. So I could see how people just start getting passed by, and then next thing you know, you forget about them. So you got to always, always respect their stories and make sure you can get them in because next thing you know, there's going to be the next guy that comes up.

Like, you know, like the Julio Jones, you know what I'm saying? Calvin's. And then we start forgetting about the Tori Holtz and all of them, and they got to get in. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're talking about Hines over here, for show. Hines, Hines, for show. He changed in a different error.

Like, that's his impact, bro. Like, the impact that he made on the game that you got to, and he was still catching the ball. He was blocking. He was doing everything. Like, Heinz is another one. Like, I'm looking back, like, yo, if you are his story and of the game, you should be able to look and see, okay, it was a different time.

Like, they weren't throwing the ball like they are now. Like, that was, you got to look at what kind of offense he was in. Like, that was something that's totally different. And the things that he really, and at the end of the day, his numbers were great. And he still, his blood. blocking. They made a rule for him to crack back at times. Your legacy being remembered and people having to change the game for you is like, okay,

and you also got ships and you also made catches and you also were legit for a very long time, consistency. You know what I'm saying? So him, he deserves to be in there, no doubt. And that could be crazy because then you can start having people. They start retiring like Larry Fitzgerald, like my man, my man, Andre Johnson. these also players that are going to be Hall of Fame. Like, this Heinz have to get in before him and then, like, they got to start.

And that's what I'm saying. Like, you start putting other people in. Now they did this number searching, looking at that, and they're not looking at time and error when Heinz played. And what he played in and how he changed the game. Dude, they put rules in place for this man. Like, what are y'all talking about? Like, it's us. We're flawed, bro.

You can't get past it. Like, you go get your get back if you can get back. That's just, that's just. human nature, bro, and no, no, we can't use no, we can't use no AI. AI is programmed by humans, okay? Like, that's not going to be honest with you, bro, like, the more I think about this, bro, if we actually got a true AI that was like self-contained, it could really think and make decisions for itself, it would eliminate us.

Like, we are the worst thing in this world for this world is like humans, bro. We got weapons that it can destroy 90% of the earth, bro. No, for sure. Like, no way. But that's what I love, man. We don't need, we're imperfect people, and that's what makes us perfect. That's what makes us people, you know? Like, I just like the human.

It makes us people, but it don't make the process perfect. No, no process is going to be perfect. I like, I like the, I ain't allowed to you though, the broadcasters and the people, the AP, when it's the top. to normally that comes out that comes out legit the other comes out the press joint when I get that if you get that AP nod you're the best two corners in the joint like you had a hell of a year and that's why the APs is like when I'm talking about respect if you coming out AP first team AP

second team right that's they not I don't care that those do most of the time but again same thing most of the time you can have some more likely than not you look at the AP them dudes on that joint was hooping oh yeah for sure show. Hey, Joe, tell me this. Why don't nobody want the Browns head coaching position? Your boy, one, yeah, it is your boy. So McDaniels, he dropped out. He said, you know, I'm a back door over here and get this OC. So then the dude from the Jags, what is it, Andinsky, he pulled out. He said, I'm going to see what Buffalo doing. Mentor, he said, no, I'm going to go over here to the Ravens. And then Chris Shula, listen, they said, he said, no, I'm good.

No, I'm good. I guess your boy, Todd Monkin, though, the O.C. for the Ravens, he did two interviews. And your boy, boy, Schwartz. That was in the D.C., wasn't it? Yeah. He still in the conversation, but you know how well he did in Detroit. what was it, 29 and 51, 36% winning rate, 182nd, all time out of 207 coaches with a minimum of 50 games.

Oh, that's, bruh. And apparently they're saying the coaches that he's in between, the one that's 181 and the one that's 183, they got a second chance. And they did worse than their first chance. And you know what else, bro? Hey, they ain't even, they ain't even. They ain't even gave an interview to at least two minority candidates yet to comply with the Rooney Rule.

But Shoehouse is still saying, you know, I'm willing to do an interview. And Alan, what's his name? Anthony Lynn said he's, you know, he's willing to do an interview. Joe, tell me why don't nobody want this Cleveland job, Joe? Because they would like to be a head coach and not a professor. or they're not trying to do homework and exams and essays and all that extra that we're trying to make them do instead of football. We need to keep the main thing, the main thing.

How do you think they're doing all that, Joe? I don't know. I don't know. I think we're- Well, Joe, you want me to tell you why. Because we're doing all the analytics, all this over-thinking, over-all-this scientific thought, all this like, no, tell me why you want to really.

And, like, if you're a great coach at the end of the day, too, we need to be bringing these coaches in and like letting them take over. We think that we know so much and why we asking them so many questions, great coaches aren't going to come here and give you an essay and a thesis and all this stuff. They got it in their heads. They know what they're going to do because they're great coaches. They're great leaders of men. They know what decisions they want to make and know what they want to do.

They don't feel like going to happen. They don't have time to sit there and do homework. They're ready to like really make things happen, really make moves, have talks. So like the coaching hiring process is like why are they putting all these coaches through these loops when we haven't we haven't shown any organizational reason like that we're leading the right way that we know the right decision to make. These coaches are smart, I would think. McDaniel, my man Mike McDaniel, he was there. He was a wide receiver coach when I was there for the Browns. He went to Miami.

And now he was like this. No, I'm not about to go there and do all of this craziness. I'm going to go rather have an offensive coordinator job. and go chill where I can maybe figure it out, re-get my stuff, and then go get another head coaching job because I'd rather go OC and go chill for a second than go over here and do all this damn homework that you're going to make me do in these essays

and these thesis statements instead of having to worry about the main thing and like getting this, how are we going to get this roster? Who's going to be the offense coordinator? All right. Jim Swartz. I was glad to ask you if he had to do. I'm glad.

Well, look, Jim Swartz knows. He's there. He's been a great defensive coordinator. The team, the locker room, we like him. He's been doing great. And hopefully, if we don't scare everybody else off, hopefully we do make him the head coach, and he learned from his mistakes.

Right. We just talked about how bad he is as the head coach. Listen to what I'm trying to tell you. He has our locker room. We don't know who else is going to be the coach. We might run everybody else off. The defense has been great. So he can still keep that defense of mind

and know what you don't know. bring you an offensive mind in there. So we do need still, offensive coordinator, we still need to still get that spot fill. But if we do have Jim Sports, I'm not mad at him. I like him. I like the way he's been doing with the defense, and I like the way the team likes him.

The coaching carousel for us to be able to hire a coach, we're scaring everybody off, Debo. So, yes, if we can get Jim Sports, is still going to be there, he's still taking this test, and he's answering them right and giving him the good thesis? Yes. Is he having to take a test?

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I don't know. I don't know. He's still there. I would think that, I don't know why they wouldn't. Do you think he had to get a test to become the defensive coordinator? So they're not testing them now? I think they're testing everybody.

This is something new, dude. This is the first time we ever heard of this happening ever for anybody getting a head coaching job in the NFL. I think they're testing everyone. Are they testing them? It's already there. I don't know. That's homework, essays, all that. Listen, Joe, this is why they're doing it. Why? The Haslam family started off getting their money with flying Jays. Okay. That's the truck stops. Okay. It's actually nice. I went to a few of them back in the day. It's real nice. I was doing some long-distance truck driving with my brother riding along with him. You know, it's cool. It's everything you get in one spot. But when he got that team in 2012, he became the majority owner. And I believe, what is it, he has a stake in, just got stake in Minnesota, sorry, Milwaukee Bucks in the basketball team.

So in short, he don't know what the hell he's doing. So how does he fix that? How he did when he was running everything else that used understanding of how you get the information. So they're trying to use that to get a breakdown of what is going to be a good coach, by having them do something that a coach doesn't normally do. And when it comes down to it from him, it's just, it's an investment, boy. It's the ROI.

Like, you have no knowledge or understanding of the game. You're just worried about the investment, but it's getting so loud right now. He's tired of being, you know, he's tired of being in the basement and everybody talking bad about him. So he's like, yo, my people figured this out. If we do this and we get the personality trading, when they write the essay the right way and all that,

they're going to be a great coach. No, you got to know the game to be able to understand what you're talking to, who you're talking to, and how they're going to be able to go out here and help and develop your team. You know what I need? I need billions so I could go invest in ice hockey, a ice hockey team, and then wonder why I ain't got no success. But I still don't.

really care because the long-term thing as long as my return on investment is right out good. Like, yeah. No, he don't know football. The family don't know football. I would say to, in 2016, when we went straight analytics, we hired Deep Pedesto. And he's a moneyball guy and the Browns are really, really, really big in analytics. And I remember my man Mike Patton saying that we could use Mike. We can use analysts can be the tail, not the head.

I think that the hasms are just using so, just trying to be so smart that you can outsmart yourself. Do you know what I'm saying? Sometimes you got to know that you're not the smart, that you just can't analytic everything. You know what I'm saying? It can help, it can be an asset, but that's not all a ball.

Do you know what I'm saying? So I think that just not doing the normal things that just sometimes the simplest thing that you can see of like, we don't have to, like, all these coaches are amazing coaches and have great minds for certain reasons. Us having to put them through all of these hoops, nobody else does it. And there's maybe a reason for it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, we start out thinking ourselves. The smart thing, sometimes the simple thing is maybe the easiest thing. And like, no, no, that can't be it. No, no, sometimes it can be it. And I think we're trying to, the Brown's management with the, and just thinking they're outsmarting themselves sometimes. Oh, yeah. I don't even, I don't, I don't think they're outsmarting themselves.

They're just so lost. They have no other way other than what they can read on paper. Like, they're searching for something that will give them a solid. And they're looking at analytics. And it's like, oh, the analytics work. Well, the analytics works so much. Like, hire you somebody that does analytics to be your head coach. and they can analytic their way through it.

To be a good head coach, you got to be a leader of men. Period. Like, they got to follow you. They got to believe you. They got to buy into what it is that you're saying, you're doing. And then it has to come true

on the field for you to be a good coach. When you're coaching, man, you're not taking, you might not be the best test taker. Right. You can't read that in the essay. You can't write that. I can't be to express myself.

on this, on this. Exactly. The way I need to get to my guys, the way I can galvanize, the way I can teach, do I can show things. Like, I don't know. Like, really, when the coaches really want to be like Mike McCarthy, if they want to put any of these coaches through this stuff, Google me. Like, look at my, look at what I've done. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't need to be sitting here writing down this. I'm 60 years old. I'm 55 years old. Why are you giving me homework? Like, I've done this before. You guys are the ones that don't know what's going to going on. They might have, they might have their players start doing something, you know,

before they draft them, hey man, give me an essay and, you know, give me do this and that. I need to, I need to check out you, whatever it is. They already got, what is that, the, I ain't, I ain't go through the drive. Was it Wunderlich test or something like that? What is that? I think so. Something like that. I didn't, I didn't, I don't know what it is.

You know, me, I ain't, I ain't get drafted. I took the test. I did straight, and then the Browns interviewed me, too, and I went to there, and it was solid. You didn't have to write essay? I had to write essay. No, it's still got big. First round. Seven. That's crazy, Joe. No essay. That's crazy.

The Steelers, I guess they got a two o'clock meeting to introduce McCarthy. Okay. I'm going to watch that. Press conference, two o'clock. We're going to have to watch that. We're going to have to watch that for sure. I'm going to have been on FaceTime with you. Yeah, yeah, we're definitely, definitely. Yeah, we're going to have to, we go out to FaceTime on that. get up on that talk on Friday. But still, they said they're hoping to make a decision on Aaron. Rogers, in the next month or so, I guess they talked to Mr. Rooney, Art Rooney,

and he said, we don't know Aaron's plans right now. And that didn't, that did not weigh heavily into the decision. I thought before it didn't weigh into the decision at all, It says heavily now. And then it says, we'll see where Aaron is. And we left the door open. But obviously, we all have to sit down and see if it makes sense. So he's actually saying, eh, we've got to sit down and see if it makes sense.

If it don't make sense, then because, you know, they're saying, like, when Aaron left, they wasn't, I mean, McCarthy wasn't too cool no more. Like, he had said some stuff about his IQ, you know, being the lowest of, You know, any coach that he had been involved with, stuff like that. So, you know, he said, so we're, he says, so that's what happens. So in the next month or so, but the decision will be based on Mike being the coach. He said the decision was based on Mike being the coach we want. And it's really hard.

He said, it's really, it really had very little to do with rather Aaron is going to come back or not. Okay. You want Aaron back? Just the thing. It's not that I don't. I was just down for a restart. And if A-Rod does come back, it's going to be probably, it was going to be for one more year,

and the numbers are right. A-Rod came back. He did what he had to do this year for $14 million. A-Row come back next year for $10. You know what I'm saying? Like, end of the day, he's not hitting. He's not hitting the cap. He's not hitting nothing.

I don't, I'm not. I wouldn't, I don't think for the Steelers, this is not what we want. I think I'm ready for a new. I'm ready for a new. I'm ready for new. Yeah, it's nothing against Aaron. It's just that in the process of trying to further the organization, like that, that doesn't, that doesn't further us, I don't think. And McCarthy said he, or Art said he likes, he likes, that McCarthy told him that he

likes Will Howard. Things will can go on and, you know, have a tremendous upside. He's looking forward to working with him, you know, all that stuff. So I would rather go and, like, see what Will could do. And if, you know, something falls and, you know, get some low-hanger fruit that might have, you know, fell somewhere else. And later, I don't know. even if like we crash out like maybe that that's a good thing you know oh debo that's what I'm saying it's going to be eventually a time to crash out

and the still is saying they're ready for a rebuild you're ready for rebuild they're saying they're ready for a rebuild they're fighting left word that's the problem if you don't want to call it a rebuild you can call it a reload but you got to call it a reload while if you don't have the quarterback at the time you're still going to work with real Howard we drafted him he's a big body he was in ohio state I've seen him throw it to jeremiah smith those Fade passes, Jeremiah wasn't getting to throw it to nobody else. He was throwing it to it.

Will Howard threw it to him to the best receiver in college football. Look good to me. Let me see what he can do in the NFL. He's a big body. You know what I'm saying? He's not like a small dude, short can't see over the line. He's a big dude, and let's see what he can do. During that time, D.K. Metcalfe, that extra $33 million.

He got suspended so you can void that. Get rid of it. That's another $30 million. They didn't get rid of that. They can. No. They kept it. They said they weren't avoiding it.

Yeah. Ah, so they kept it. So you know what? Way to go. Well, who you go past the ball to? You get rid of him. You would have 30 to go get somebody else. I'm just saying because I didn't think D.K.

was a legit one no more, getting open, making creating space the way that you needed it. So if you want to make wholesale changes, that's an extra 30 for a number one receiver that I'm like, in my eyes. What you go do with the defense, though? That's where all the money is. Look, the defense, the only thing is, we're going to, like, like you said, Queen. might have to, like, just certain high value people that are making a little bit of money might got to go. Do you know what I'm saying?

So I'm looking like a Dugger's contract, he's going to get restructured. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what they have. We have pleases that we can move. I'm not going to speak on the exact names right now because I want to do it in a certain time. No disrespect. But stillers can make moves with players and there can be things moved around. And if we're talking about rebuilding, I'm reloading, we're going to have to work on.

We don't have a franchise quarterback. We have no friend. We have no guarantee. We have no franchise quarterback that we, we have nobody that we see as being our franchise quarterback. No, that's, okay. Period. Okay. Until we get that, we are just floating on the water without a gas or a sale.

We have no direction. We are at the way of whatever the. the water flows. Like, that's it. That's it. So you can either rebuild by choice or you can be forced to rebuild. Choice you make. Force, it ends up happening through how you play out the course of the year and the years, however that may be.

But I think an intentional direct focus rebuild will get you a better result than having to be forced to do it. Now you're scrambling. So what is your moves, though, Debo? So what is your moves then right now? I'm going to go with the two I got. I'm going to pick up something in the draft, not high or nothing like that.

And then I'm going to fill in any spots that I think I need to try and fill in that I'm going to end up either letting go or losing and let it play out. And wherever it puts us in the draft next year, it puts us. Hey, I'm ready. Listen, I know we're going to be down too.

I'm trying to tell. Listen, y'all be listening. We're going to be down two, three years. No, that's what I'm saying. You're going to be down regardless. So it's like, I mean, if you, I wouldn't just waste a pick and say, like, just go get another quarterback in the drag. No, I'm not going to do that.

I'm saying, like, I'm a role with what I got. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But that's what I'm going to be with. Yeah, for sure. Right. All go be mad if it don't work and booing and all that, but that's just what's going to come with. We got to be getting offensive.

We got to be getting linebackers. We got to be getting offensive line. We got to be drafting other wide receivers, these positions during this draft. We need to be getting these players or bringing them free agents or getting somehow. This is when we're balking up the players of making these new guys that we're drafting nice because they might not be the best of the best this season. But then next year, then we're. we're trying to know is it just the quarterback that we need because we buffered the wide receivers we've got the fire linebackers you know what I'm saying Joey Porter still here hooping you know what I'm saying so

seeing how people herbic highsmith you know what I'm saying seeing what how we move this who gets signed who gets extended and the players that we do bring in at the wide receiver spot do they ball out do we get when we draft not just throwing out that of the quarterback no we get a high nice receiver to see now If Will Howard has one there and D.K. still here for that last year because we didn't get rid of his, we didn't avoid his contract. So we still got D.K. Then we draft another receiver. We draft up linebacker. How good are these dudes? You know what I'm saying? So if everybody performs and if you hit right, you're not going to be terrible. You'll have a nice class of young dudes in there that are balling with Will Howard and make him just hand the ball off. Get it to D.K. I understand what you're saying. But again, if Will Howard doesn't turn out to be that. that franchise quarterback, but he turns out to be enough combined with the offense, defense, special teams that puts us again in- Medium. Pergatory, medium, we're still not going to be able to get what we need. If you just, I can't, you can't, you can't just, so say, so you just want to.

Listen, I'm going to agree with you on this. High-value contracts that we don't feel is getting what we need or is too much for where it's at, got to go. Why? Because that opens up a lot of room to be able to grab people the free agency. This one I'm telling you to those spots. But this is, this is a good problem. Beano, Debo, if you say if Willhower is good and ends up playing well with the guys that we have and they end up being eight and eight or whatever, right? And you know that we just need a quarterback. Like, that's the main thing.

Then we can go, we got to, we can go get that. And nobody giving up quarterbacks, though. We had to trade up in the draft. Okay, that's a possibility. You know, once we can start getting these picks and accolating picks and no, we got two first-round picks. We only got Will Howard's cool, but we just need one. Trade that Joan up and get a higher pick so we can go get one. If that's the only one thing that we need, then we could be able to, all right, hopefully less finagle it.

But if Will Howard is doing cool, I think draft that other pieces that we need, not just trying to figure out, find a quarterback randomly. but it's going to eventually happen. I think not eventually, but next year. I mean, we'll see, man. We'll see how to play out. Keep an eye. Watch the 2 o'clock, you know, press in and see what McCarthy talking about. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, we'll go from there. But what is he, Greenlaw? He said, he said, there was physical over there. He said, Peyton. He said, that man was physical over there on that. them was. He said, what do you say? He said, Sean Payton.

Old school. Well, he said, he told reporters, Sean Old School. He's going to do six days on, one day off. He's got his way of doing things. You're going to be practicing three hours on Wednesday. Can you practice three hours anymore? I don't know. Three hours on Wednesday, three hours on Friday.

Sanahan, he said he's complete opposite. He wants you fresh. Listen, Joe. Yep. My first training camp, bro, when I got in, we was in training camp for at least 30 days, if not, maybe 33 days, okay? We practice twice a day.

Now, I'm shells was helmet and shoulder pads. So it was still full of contact. Yeah. Just didn't drag nobody to the ground. Second practice, where everybody comes. come to see where the fans out there, bro, that was full contact to the ground. Bang. Yes.

Banging. And that still did not prepare me for my first full game of play in the preseason dude. No, for sure. Never forget it, bro. We were playing Detroit in Detroit. It was the third preseason game. And I think one of our linebackers or a couple that, however it went, it went down.

So I was the first person to go in after the starters were out. And I'm still on all the special teams or like all that stuff. Dude, that game, I knocked myself out hitting the tight game, right? Listen, bro. I knocked myself out hitting the timing, okay? And the timing of it, bro, was like, like I blink my eyes, close my eyes and opened it. And when I opened my eyes, all of a sudden, the trainers were around me.

Yes. They were on the field. Yes. And I'm like, what y'all doing here? There's like, you was out. I'm like, no, I'm not. Yes. They're like, yeah, you were.

How you think we got here? Bro. Yeah. But after that game, I called my dad, bro. And I said, I say, dad. I say, dad. I say, I don't know if this game is. for me.

See, chill. I said, my body feels so bad, so hurting right now. Yeah. They don't play. You know what he said? You already said, bro. He said, you'll be all right. He said, you just got to toughen your body up to it.

Got to get used to it. Use to it. He was right. No, for sure. But that's old school, bro. That's old. This new stuff that they're doing now, bro, I could have played 30 years in this.

bro. And when he's saying this, Debo, he got to I think that's, it's literally against the rules now, though. I don't, I don't, I don't know. It might be some type of it. But speaking against the rules, McCarthy.

Now McCarthy, 22 and 23 with Dallas, NFL, find him for OTAs being too physical. So all the, so all them boys in Pittsburgh, that was used to, you know, getting this day or all that, that stuff. No, he's going to come in there and he's going to be like, I got to see what I got.

I need to, I need to bring the Pittsburgh back to Pittsburgh here. Pittsburgh, boy, I need to bring the physicality back. I don't want to see my guys getting pushed around. I want to push guys around. He's going to bring the physicality back. Ain't no better place to do it than OTA as soon as you start. You might be catching a fine or two, but hey, they go be physical. The game has changed because I remember my first two, the two of days, Debo.

they would make you, you're coming out there, and you'll be, when you had on shoulder pads and helmets, the only difference was you weren't taken to the ground. That was full contact. You just weren't tackling. You had to hit, rap, that thud. You got to stop the tackler. That's almost harder for the DBs.

I'm like, now you make it, hit them up top. You got to break down, control yourself, fit up and wrap. For sure, you got to put yourself in. All the eye, tackling, miss tackling we got now. No, all that arm tackling, no, you had to put your face on someone. You had to put your pads on the man and make sure that that embrace. So I understand completely how coaches had that different kind of coaching style because all that, like, running in, tagging off, that's not getting you. You don't understand that you're professionals.

You know how to tackle. But there's nothing like full speed reps when somebody can really juke you or run you over. Yes. So you got to be able to come in there knowing, like, you got to come in there ready. Not like coming there playing. No, no, no. It's not a game. That little tag off that's not football ready.

So I understand. like it's a lot harder but end of the day the injuries and everything but there's nothing like football there's nothing like going full speed and i the teams that do a little bit more contact the teams that do do a little more hitting your pads are ready like you can't get ready for hitting besides hitting no i know when i started getting older like no you you you're involved you know i'm like man i still need my pads up i'm going to want my pads up a little more than you you know what i'm saying like so that i i definitely understand it but the health part of everything but there's Like I love that.

You're going to need your plan. It's a long season. So if you can't go get it in now, get your body ready because all that training, all that warm up, all them DB drills that we're doing during the off season is nothing like when you really got to come fill, when you really got to come tackle and wrap somebody up. And that's what you see, though, in these, you know, in these defenses.

When, like, linemen, de-linmen, they got it. They're engaging. Your guys are engaging way more than us. DBs, we got to come in there and get active. And I think the best teams are the ones with tackling DBs. You could tell them. ones that really want it. They weren't the ones that are coming down for that cracker place, the ones that really

want to smoke. And I think that's from they're ready for hitting and they're used to. And that's what people are. If you coming to training, it's like, it's live and dude's looking funny. I'm like, it's going to be live in the game. I'm like, I'm about to come chop this man down. Are you tripping? You know what you mean?

It's live. We got on shells, helmets and so. Yes. You hit, rap, stop him, and then you can let him go. Mm-hmm. And then keep them going because we need that pursuit. Right. We need your thud in.

They keep letting them go. You're letting you go. Everybody keeps chasing. Everybody got to touch you. Everybody got to get a thud in. Everybody got to touch him. What are we talking about? Yes.

Like these, dude, now that, and like you said, like he said, rather, Payton old school, man. Come on. Like, he probably to the edge. He probably to the very edge of him making sure he don't cross it, because I ain't heard nothing about no fines. So he made, listen, I'm gonna get all I can because when it come down to it, the game is played.

tackling and getting people's ground. I'm going to do everything I can to stimulate that. Every that I can. I respect the tackling, the thudding part, the making sure you put your pads on them, I'm loving that. Like, you got to, that's not, people aren't getting hurt from that.

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Listen to my favorite murder on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Goodbye. No, yeah, that's football. You got to get yourself into that position because otherwise you're going to be looking crazy. Yeah, and that's the same thing. Like, the runnerback is coming. He's trying to run through you even though it's shells in there. So you got to realize when he's trying to run through you and when he's trying to run around you

and you got to come in there and meet the force with the force that he's coming with. Like, you can't just, oh, I'm coming in to tap up. No, you'll get your chest blew out. You're going to come in there and thud up on him. Make sure you shore up that tackle, bro. Dion over here in Colorado, he's finding them boys, man. Yes. Yo, you like the new system, man?

I love the system. This is my thing. You need to be treated as if you are a professional. Like, you're getting paid to play now. And hopefully next level is practice was always a thing, though, like, that's scary for me. I was scared to be late for practice. Like, dude, you want to be early to meetings, early to practice, make sure everything

is right. Like, the times that I'm, if I wake up, like, my nightmares will be waking up with my alarm and being late to a workout, I could, that could really, like, shock the system. I would think about crashing my car to be like this. Hey, I'm going to tell you this story. I would think about crashing my car to be like this. Oh, my God, not coach, we got enough accident. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I would risk it all instead of missing the meeting because the punishments and the authority, like, I did not, I was, and that's not what I was on. So for Coach Prime, yes, what else would you be? Where else should you be here early? You should have your body right. You should be taped. Like, this is the main thing is the main thing.

Class all like, yeah, yeah, but you're getting paid to come here and play. And I felt like when Coach Manjini, that's one thing I respected. it. At my rookie year, I was a little bit wild. And like, I just wake up, oh, my God, panicking because I was out. No, I was coming. I would be pushing it and contemplating. I might have to wreck just to be like, oh, man, my God, no, something happened. But like, those are just very, very fearful time to teach us growth, maturity. You have nothing else. No, you have to be professional. You get fined. We will come in that thing. Nobody would say nothing. I would have a fine right in my chair. It's like max fine, $5,500 if you're a minute late to a meeting. You

You know what I'm saying? Like, man, Jeannie did not play about none of that. So you should. I respected it. No, no, no, you know what I'm saying? So, like, Coach Prime doing that keeps accountability on the players. And where else should you be? Definitely.

I remember I was scared to death to ever miss a meeting. Urban Meyer, clean the whole weight room would punish us crazy. Like, that was the scariest time ever. No. So, yes, Coach Client, find these kids because that's what you should do. They're getting paid to be here. you should be nowhere else. But don't, I'm not,

I'm not telling nobody to talk about wrecking their car, but I'm just saying how scary it was. I'm going to tell you a story, I'm going to tell you story. I don't, I don't want to, okay, so, it wasn't me, it wasn't anybody I know.

It was somebody I heard of. Point is, I'm not going to let you all have any clue of who this is. But the person was late to me. There was going to be late, right? Yeah. So as they're driving the work, they realize they're about to be late. That boy said, thousands and thousands of dollars fine or it's $500 deductible.

He cut it into a telephone. Hey, Coach, I don't got an accident. Hey, I know I'm not tripping. I'm telling you. Oh, man, bro. Yes, bro. Yes. Yeah, it get like that.

It get like that. Get like that. That's scary. Don't do it. Yeah, so Coach Prime, keep them and hold them kids accountable. I'm all for it. I'm all for it. I'm 100% for it.

He ain't finding them a whole bunch anyway. And if you can't afford it, don't be late. Don't be late. Don't be late. If your, what is it, your NIL deal ain't got that much money in it. You should be early. Because look, the media. I tell my kids.

If you're 15 minutes early, you're never late. You never late. You're never late. And Joe. You know, and there's no class, there's no meetings that are like scheduled for you. You won't be able to miss anything. Everything's scheduled around your schedule. So you should be able to, there's no, you're never double booked with school and football.

Right. Your boy that pulled out after the Bill John. He put off of nothing. I guess the bills just promoted the OC Joe Brady to head coach. I guess Joe Brady's been there with the bill since 2022, starting as Josh Allen's quarterback coach, then becoming the offensive coordinator, and now we'll serve as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills.

And Josh Allen, they said, was sitting in on the meetings. So obviously he had some say about this. You like it, you dislike it. But they all in. Realize. They all in. Joe Brady has two years to win the ship.

Yes. Like, you know what I'm saying? You came through with the team. Your man was sitting in the morning meetings. Y'all are with each other. You and Josh are together. So I know from Buffalo and your leash is short. You know what I'm saying?

I'm happy for you. I hope it goes very, very well. but this is a situation where the McDermott, he got the short end of the stick, threw you to Ali-Upe. You don't have time, but like, no, no, it was going to be a four-year rebate. No, you got Josh Prime. Now, hopefully you can go get whatever you think that you need it to make it better or do whatever. But you got two seasons, Coach, Joe Brady.

You got two? Listen, right. So now that's making me think, like, was this an inside job? Did he actually go and be like, hey, he ain't doing it right? I could do it better. You know, because the owner came out was like, hey, the GM didn't want this receiver, but the coaches did. But ain't he wanted the coaches too?

What's going on in here, bro? Ah. What's really going on? Like, it feels like it's some inside work going on here, bro. All I know is, yeah, he got a little bit of time, brother. He got a little bit of time. They got to turn up ASAP. You know, what was the Ravens owner?

was like, yo, they have say, but they ain't going to have no power. It's sound like it's power over there. Sound like it's power over there, man. Like, definitely. You're talking about, yeah, Josh Allen. Yes. The opposite of what the Ravens owner said, that man, Josh Allen was sitting in on the joint,

and he ain't say nothing about he's got an opinion, but he don't got no power. I think, yeah, you are. Josh got a little power. He said, I want to hear all their opinions, but they have no power. Mm-hmm. I think they might have been sitting next to each other, Josh.

Island and the owner in this man. Hey. Like this. Josh, I looked at, bro. He looked at bruh. He looked at Josh. I was like, hey, what you think, man? Hey, I'm trying to tell you.

Hey, or maybe they, you know, the owner just made a snap decision. Like, yo, get him up out of here. And then when it came down to it, the team was like, yo, how you get him out of here? Like, he did this, did that. And they was like, well, we can't, well, we get somebody else. We might lose everybody. Josh and the meeting is like, yo, you know, they, you know, they,

they pissed him. off now you get somebody else. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get these boys to follow you. But, you know, my OC right here, I know he'll go call what I want, what I like. So go on ahead and give old Joe Brady the job, you know. Hey, I, Debo. And now I'm the quarterback. Hey.

Oh, see, I just got you this job. Hey, let me call what I want. You hear? Bro. Hey, they, they, I just hope that it works out for them then. I mean, not, not all the way. because they're going to be having to beat our teams. But Josh Allen deserves it.

Deserves what? Well, last, no, he did bad this year. He did bad this year. He deserved to have power? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to be successful, to be successful. Well, he's kind of in control of his own success. Yeah, he didn't have to fumble the ball all those times. I just feel bad for him, man.

Feel bad. Yeah. Would you feel bad if he was playing against you and beat you? No. No. What's you feeling bad? I'm not playing, though. What's you talking?

You know what? Joe. Joe, listen here, Joe, man. Well, hey, go on to get that wish of size sauce fire with your ass, boy. Life. Hey, man, we got a super chat. JJ Carvey 80. He said, do you think Prime's policy?

hurt him in recruiting and protocol jumps. And portal jumps. Talking about the portal? Portal jumps. I'm tripping, yeah. No. No? I mean, I think that he's not finding the kids crazy amounts.

Right. Dude, the amount's not crazy. It's a little bit of bread. $515,000. But like, end of the day, it's like, I don't think these kids are really, how many are really missing meetings. I think this just gives them more

incentive to make sure, like, why you, I don't know too many people that have been late to too many meetings when I was in school or when I played, like college ball or in the league. Like, that's not really a thing unless, you know, that's just not something that happens and I think you need to be held accountable

if you miss meetings. And I don't think this is something that kids would not go to a school for a fine. I mean, that's... I think it's smart, dude. I think other schools will adapt it, you know what I'm saying? Because when it come down to it, the only thing you could do when we missed meetings was punish us with workouts or running. It's usually running.

And if you're in season, you're kind of defeating the purpose. You're kind of handicapping yourself. I'm going to punish this dude because he was late. I'm going to make him do extra running and do all this other stuff, get up early and have to be there for this and that. And when I'm doing that, I'm actually turning his body down. And I need to go on this game and perform at a high level for me. So you're handicapping yourself. And when it come down to it, you really want to hurt somebody?

Grab that money. Got that money. Grab that money. I'm going to tell you, bro, I'm going to tell you right now, bro, you want to hurt a man that is making money. Anybody that is making money, take their money. Like, I ain't even fighting no more, bro. hit me and I'm depending on who you is I'm going

I'm waiting on Jeff Bezos to just slap me across my face I'm a swear I can't look at nothing I can't go out the house Legally blind I need my emotional mental capacity to be able to deal with anything is gone

I cannot sleep I'm gonna need at least Then ain't nothing to you just give me one bill, one bill, but if you want to do it right, I settle out of court right now for half a bill. Yep. Yep. I settle out of court right now for half a bill and tell them how scared I am every time I see an Amazon thing. I see Amazon. It's just, skisks. Every time. I see a truck. I just, I panic. I think you're getting out of it. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Can anybody say a word start with a beat? Oh, just spooked. Straight up. Oh, out of control. I can't even order from there anymore. I don't even, I can't, I can't, I can't watch TV.

Oh, I'm going in and Joe. Look here, brother. We're going to be back here on Friday talking about, you know who. The press conference between them boys and see what's going down. We got to see what they're saying. See what they're saying. And I guess maybe the pro, listen, man, I don't understand this pro bowl thing, man. Like, it's a flag football game, bro.

Yeah. What are the D-Lyman and offensive linemen going to be doing? They don't do. They do. They got other games going. They pushing sleds and running obstacle courses and all of this stuff. It's skills challenges, Debo. Dude, this is the thing that made me mad, dude.

The first year I made it there, they took away the skills challenges. Dude, I was getting ready for that. I wanted to do that. I was waiting on the 225 bench. I was trying to go in there and push that thing out about 45 times. God. You was going for the record. Oh, bro, I was going for the record.

I was trying. And then they took it away. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. That's out of control. The fun part of it, they took out. Now you don't turn it. I want to see, like, they need to do the, the bench press was lit and the longest throw for the quarterbacks, bro. I love watching that joint.

I could have gotten that. That's what I'm, I'm throwing it 60. I'm throwing it 65 right now. Oh, no, I'm getting there. A bit of 70. I'm, all right. When I, next time I'm on with you, I bet you I'll throw you. I bet I do.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Bet. Okay. Ten, ten, ten, uh, ten anytime push-ups is the bet. Yes, ten any times. Even on the show.

I'm like, man, no, hell no. Give me two. Give me two. I slain that thing, bro. Like, I'm talking, you thought that Josh Allen could throw that, bruh. I'm trying to tell you. And it's the flick of the wrist like big, bro. You know, I threw for 72 touchdowns in high school?

That was high school, Joe. I never threw a touchdown. I just threw it long. I was a deep ball champion. We're going to see. Br, I was deep ball champion in the deep ball league. Bro, from 2007 to 2023. The deep ball league?

Yes. I've never heard of how long you can throw the ball. Where's the deep ball? Br, it is, it's big. It's big. You are blatantly lying. All right. Watch this.

It's so underground, bro, because people don't, they don't be wanting to, you know what I'm saying? Like golf, like the long shot. Longest drive. Longest drive. Yeah. That's it. But it ain't catching on. It ain't catching on.

It ain't been catching on. You want to see. And the league collapsed in 23. That's why I was only the winner until 23. You know what I'm saying? But I held it. I held it. The day I stepped in, until the day it's shut down.

We're going to see. I was that dude. And I'm still that dude. You cannot throw the ball farther than me. That's just a fact. I'm trying to tell you, Joe, listen, you probably throw like Peyton Manning did in his last years. You better ask about me, man.

Who am I asked? I was a rifle. Ain't nobody'd ever seen you throw. Pounce he seen me throw, too. I used to throw the ball with pounce with that goalpost game before practice. That's 20 yards, bro. I used to back it up every 10 yards,

and I used to go back to the 50. Gold post from the 50. That's nothing. That's nothing, bro. I was goalposted from the 30. No way. The 30. The 30 in.

No. 30 in. Out. No. All right. We'll see. Bro, you up here. You're playing games, bro.

I'm trying to show you. I'm going to tell you something, man. Like, this is what I do. I throw. I throw. I throw a baseball. How fast you throw a baseball? See, I don't know.

Wow. I don't know. I had to step away from baseball early. I was a pitcher, you know what I'm saying? Because I played quarterback. I was 12 years old. You know what I'm saying? All-Star game.

I pitched it. He hit that ball back, knocked me right up side of my head, knocked me unconscious, never played. just never played again. Oh, you got scared. Oh, I got put to sleep. Yeah, and I was okay. I wasn't as good as I am in basketball and football.

You know what I'm saying? I didn't have to worry about that because they couldn't hit it. They couldn't hit it. Yeah, all right. You ain't played against the players. I played against. I played against Julio Ramondo. It was Sammy Sosa.

I played against Barry Bonds. I played against Barry Bonds. No, you didn't. I played against Ken Griffey Jr. and Sammy Sosa when I was 12. I played against Barry Bonds, Mark McGu-Gu-Wai? Nope.

Now he line. Now he line. I was throwing them heat to get them ready for the professionals. Because they was throwing, I was throwing so fast, they was trying to be like, yo, if I could hit him, I know I can hit everybody. Reggie Jackson. Who you think? Now he did this line.

Hey, my daddy, my daddy, I got my arm from my daddy. My daddy was throwing it to Reggie Jackson. Can you hoop? Can you hoop? Why are you changing the topic, though? Yeah, because you went from baseball, because then we started at football, how long, how far you could throw you off? I could hoop against you?

No way. Bro, I'm going to body you down. Debo, I will pull the chair off of you, and then if you try to shoot out. I'm bodying. I'm a pinball it. I am bodying you down, man. I'm doing you like I did, my son. That's it.

I ain't playing him no more either because he almost beat me, and I ain't about to lose to me. Okay, now we're going to do all. you know, we're going to do a punt, pass a kick, and we're going to run the ones. I'm going to get you out of the way in all of that. Bro, I could kick. I used to be a fire kicking. I was straight-toe.

I straight-toe. Yeah, no. I'm straight-toe. I had the straight-toe that had the flat surface like that on it. I was banging that thing. See, you wore the straight-toe cleats. Mm-hmm. I wrote a straight-just one, just one for kickoff.

They had the ballet-toe boot. That's cheating. Who? You? What is you talking about? You want me to twist my. My ankle trying to kick it soccer style? No, I just went with the straight

normal cleats and I went straight up on it with the regular cleats. No, I was doing it with the regular cleats. But I was only kicking it like into the five, like five yards deep into the goal line. But after I got that straight toe, I was kicking it out of the stadium. Out the back end. I'm done with you.

I'm done with you. I'm done with you. I'm done with you. Hey, listen, man, we want to thank y'all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Yes. Listen, make sure you guys like, subscribe, and download. We're going to be back here tomorrow. I used to snap, too, Joe.

I actually snapped. I didn't. I sat here on Friday. I snapped, Joe. I believe that. I snapped in a professional game. What about you? No, I was a kick, I actually ran back a, I was a kick returner and a punt returner.

I was a kick returner. You know what I'm saying? Gunner. You know what I was a gunner. I wasn't a gunner. I wasn't a gunner. I wasn't a guy. I wouldn't know Gunner.

I ain't going to lie to you about that. I wasn't no gunner. No, you were. You know what I'm saying? I was too valuable in the inside. That's why they put me at middle because they was like, yo, we can't have you on the right or the left. We need you to be able to get everywhere.

So they put me in the middle. I was playing in a 6-1 sitting by myself. Why? Because I could get everywhere. Every gap was mine. Uh-huh. Whatever you say, Debo. Hey, when I see you, I'm out of going.

Hey, they called me all gap. they're like, hey, all gap. What you got? All the gaps. All the gaps. They say who you got? I say, I say kill everybody. Oh, man. You know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get you. Hit the gap, feel the gap. Hey, listen, Joe, at least to play a little bit of corner, too. But then, like I said, they was like, hey, we only got you on one side then. Like, we need to make sure everybody. We need to make sure everybody can. You got too slow to play corner.

You can't too slow to play corner. You know what I'm saying? You got too slow to play corner, Debo. No, what you're talking about? You got way too slow to play corner. Oh, you're talking about after I got into, yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Yeah, you got too slow.

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I was doing, I had a couple years off. I got, you know, I had some things going on. But anyway, hey, look here, we're going over, we over, we're over. We go be back here Friday. Yes, yes, yes. We go watch this at 2 o'clock and let y'all know what's going on, what we see, what we hear from it, what triggers our thoughts and what our thoughts are and why. And we're going to be right back here.

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