Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Steelers COLLAPSE vs. Bears, Shedeur WINS 1st Browns start, Cowboys UPSET Eagles

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Sunday Night Football where Matthew Stafford and the Los Angles Rams defeated Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Later they react to the Pittsburgh Steelers falling to the Chicago Bears, Shedeur Sanders winning his 1st start as the Cleveland Browns defeated the Las Vegas Raiders, Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys knocking off Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles, and much more action from Week 12 of the 2025 NFL season! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE  Timeline:00:00 - Intro02:50 - Bears beat Steelers29:30 - Browns beat Raiders in Shedeur’s 1st Start39:25 - Cowboys Beat Eagles44:00 - Lions beat Giants in OT47:35 - Play or Fade Presented by PrizePicks56:00 - Ocho calls out Deebo (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and please make sure you like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing lovely today, Debo. You see, I'm Cleveland down to Indians. We got the Cavs. We got the Browns, but the Guardians now. But, you know, I'm just, I'm all, I'm geeked.

I ain't good lie to you know, I got on this brown. I got on some Duky Brown right here. You know what I said? Okay. Shudder. Shed dirt. Respect. You know what I'm saying?

He went on out there and made history. Yes, he did. My browns, my browns didn't, I mean, I mean, sorry, my stilis, your brown. I appreciate you. You know, I hear you, Debo. You getting used to that. I used to be a browns fan, you know, I ain't going to lie to you. I'm from, from Akron, so I used to be a brown.

Yeah, so why do you act so different to the Browns then? Because when they left, you know, and they went to Baltimore and they fought to keep those terrible colors, I was like, no, I'm going to the next, to the next thing. And that was, that was the stillies. I was a stimulus fan by then. You know, they had, you know, they had Greg Lloyd and all them boys over there. They kept them green, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, okay, okay, okay. You know, at that time, so that's what ended up having.

But, you know, the Bears beat our Steelers, you know. That's the whole. We fought. I mean, we fought, but we came up short, man, you know. It ain't, it ain't no big to do. We can get back out there and do it again. Come back with a better result, baby. Digi ball, I like it.

You're not that result. Hey, I ain't tripping, bro. You ain't tripping, okay. Listen, the Bears got out there. They ran the ball on the first two plays. We gave up a yard the first play, three yards on the second play. We got to that third and six, bro. Could have had a pick.

Could have had a pick. Dugger broke that thing up. They did. You know what I'm saying? If Caleb was on target, he's constantly off target. You know what I'm saying? If he was on target, we'd have had it. We still got a tip to it.

He still had a chance to get to it. We didn't get it. So we punt. It's three and out. I ain't tripping. Still, let's get the ball. First play, baby, game well. He'd go ahead.

He'd get nine, bro. Second down, bro. Yes. We get an interception. Waste down. We just threw it. Just threw it up. What are we thinking?

We throw a 50-50 ball. Are you serious? What did I tell you on Friday? What was their number one end, Joe? Interceptions. Interceptions, interceptions, taking the ball away. What the fraggle rock are we thinking? It's a waste down.

It was one-on-one on the outside. He thought he had D.K. Underthold. Listen. Trass throw. It was under trash. It was underdough. Pid.

Let's get back out there. The first play, it's incomplete because Caleb is inconsistent. He was open. Yes. No question about it. The second one, he had to avoid the rush. And why are we all rushing on one side? Yeah.

What did I say? Balanced lanes. You said, balanced past lanes. He can't let him scramble. He is fifth in rushing and they don't design plays for him to rush. That means he's scrambling. Yes. Yes, Debo.

Exactly. Rush lanes. We can't. I told you, I said I want to go. Yeah. You started off chill and now you already. But, yep, keep on. That brings it to third and one.

They end up in a bird the first down. The first down, they go and get five running the rep. They get another nine with half the D line two yards deep. Yeah. Two yards deep. They getting pushed back. It was getting pushed back. And that's what was setting up that play too, Debo.

They kept running that running. They kept running the ball. And then off the play action, the linebackers are coming up. And those bang eights are right behind their heads. He was, every time he was running, it was that bang eights, play action to right behind the, right over the line back of his heads. Next play, they hit one for Caleb, Caleb actually makes, he get, he get about 17, 20 yards, something like that. Mm-hmm. So the ball is what, like at the 11, his second, something, they get it, we get a PI.

Yes. But we get a PI, okay, okay. That was good defense by P. Dub. He wrapped his arm around. He had, so he was, it was, man, man, a little bang, bang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First and goal, five. They scored. Yep.

Good route. Okay. All right. They got, they scored off the tunnel. But I'm tripping. I ain't tripping, but I'm tripping. We can't put out of fire. Situational.

What do we have a problem with? Situational football. We got to go out there as the highest paid defense in the NFL and put out of fire. Yeah. Hold them to a field goal. Please. Please. Offense turned it over.

So let them, let's just save them real quick. Field goal. Can't give up. I'm with you a thousand percent Debo thousand percent Let's get the ball back First play Jalen go ahead Get one for about 12 one

Go on ahead get that thing going We can run another first down in between There on that next first 21 to their boy Ben up there Nice Nice This

What was it the Wildcat That first one was a wild cat Game well Game well The second was another five We converted to another first down You know what I'm saying We get the third and two.

We get a nice little 13 on a short pass to game. Another swing pass, bro. This whole drive was swing passes. Everything swing passes in jets and quick handoffs, quick dumps. Yeah, we converted another first. We go ahead, first down, hit DK, 7-7. Hey, that was nice. I ain't a lie.

13 plays, 95 yards, almost eight minutes. Brother. And that was legitimate. dink and dunk the whole way down the field we had the one overout that he caught with 15 my man he had the one over for like 15 yards but besides that it was jets and it was screens

getting it into the people's hands quick so that was smooth that was that was the best drive for shell of the day oh no question and then we come right back they get the ball they kick the ball we kick the ball off they get a hold penalty which pushes them back and then on the first play they get another hold

which puts them back even further and in completion because we had some pressure on him. Mm-hmm. Yeah. T.J. goes on second down. Gets that seven back that we gave up. Sack, fumble, recover for a touchdown.

It's seven to 14, brother. And that's what I'm talking about, Debo. With the defense, end of the day, like sometimes, member don't break, you got to score, but we score. We're going to be able to turn the ball over. We're going to be able to not only turn it over, but get points. This offense on the bench, we got a touchdown. Like, that's good shit by the defense.

No question. No question. Hey, listen. But the Bears, what was that? They go on head. They got like maybe, what was it, 17 on that second and 10, like to the tight end? Yes, yes. Yes, he had a little out route when we had our little run stopping line that guarding him.

Why? That's just, you know, that's a little, I don't know. It was a couple matchups that we had in the game where I'm like, why are these people guarding these people? Why do I receive it? Why is our outside linebackers guarding their number one receivers? First down, Caleb scrambles for five. I think we get them to like a third and two.

Yep. And we forced to fumble. In the ruckus. Yes. I couldn't see nothing in there. What else did I say we had to do? We had to get turn over. Now we've got to turn over too, dude.

Mm-hmm. So what is? it. First down, I think it was Washington. We finally gave him the ball. Why weren't we throwing him the ball all night? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why we weren't throwing it to our tight ends. I don't know. I mean, it was a few pasts, but anyway, anyway, we get to fourth and one. We do the push push and we don't convert.

Brother, Dibow. Was that the slowest developing touchbook you've ever seen in your life? I thought he had dropped the ball and was trying to pick it up. That's what I'm saying. It was like nobody was moving. I'm like, oh, no, this is crazy. That was the worst touch bush because nobody, like, you made sense. It looked like he might have been fumbling trying to get the rock

because it was like, you got to go. I don't know what's going. I don't know what happened on that one yet. So it's turnover on downs. Defense has to get back out there. First play, Caleb, trash high throw. Yep. Second one, the pressure him, he got to throw it away.

On third down, he hits Loveland for a nine-yard game. So now we're in an issue with the fourth and won. Yep. They gone ahead and do the little quarterback keeper, lead blocker. Lead blocker. That was kind of, that was kind of good. That was a little bit. That was a solid play.

Yeah, it was a solid play, but I, you know. Yeah. Listen. Jaylon still got hands on them, too. On that, on that reverse that came on that second down, bro, I would have fired on Williams while he's out there trying to, like, he leave. Yes, yes, yes.

That would, bruh. Yes, yes, yes. He's setting itself up to get fired on. Thank you. It's free game. It's free game. It's free game. You're not.

What are we doing? He's running out there like he looking, like he, like he's about to try to go hunting. I'm like, who you hunting for? Right. Who you hunting for? Dude, I ain't go even lie to you. I might have literally been like, yo, I'm going to let somebody else make this tackle. I'm going on here.

I got, I got some money. I got some of my business. I got some of my business attention to right now. This is up in show. The next play, Herbert, he going on here, get a nice little tackle for a loss, get through there. Then we give up 22. Because we are letting people run free. You got to put hands on number two.

That's my dog, P. Dub on this one. P. Dub, I love you. You're a baller. But you got to reroute number two. He's just running. Scott free, straight down the field. You got to reroute him. Like, that's just what it was.

You got to rewrite him. You got to put hands on him. You got to push him outside. That leads to a third down, 12-yard touchdown to Loveland. It's 14-14, bro. Yep. Okay. Lovelin, that was a good route one-on-one.

Gave him a little something. But, like, yeah, that's that's football. Yeah, it's football. I understand what you're saying. You got to make the point. So we still, let's get back out there, baby. Hey, we go on ahead. Hand it to one.

He gets nine on the first one. He gets six on the next one. And then we're going in Foster. Yeah. 30-11. Austin made it up for it. He got 10 or the 11. 10.

11. I ain't even lie to you, bro. I'm sitting here like, yo, we're about to run that slow at chest push again. But they faked it. End the round touch push. Vote it. I thought it was a touchdown, but they ended up saying he hit that little hand.

A little bribal right there. But it wasn't no big deal. Warren came back on that next play touchdown. So it 21-14. We back in it. We back in it. We back in it. Bears get out there.

First play. We get an I-N-T, but we off sides. I almost said it. You're off-sides. So that ended up leading. to like a third and five where they picked up 10, you know, a second and nine, we dropped another. Drop the pick, Dugger.

That, we got a hat at. We got a hat-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-hs. We got a hat-os. We got a hat-os. We, dude, we can't be losing these opportunities. We're not that good to lose these opportunities. In the very next play, they go on head and pick up 19 with leads them to get in the field goal right before halftime.

It's 2117. Yeah. That was upset, man. We got to close out those drives, like the turnover and keep them out the end zone. And then before half, like, just don't give up no points. Maybe we got this. And then it would have been, that would have been legitimate six. Easy.

Easy. Easy. We get back out there. Yes. Invert like the first down in the beginning of the third quarter. And then the next first down, we get sacked. The next play, it's almost picked. It probably should have been picked because it was in his hand.

We end up hunting. Chicago comes out the very first play. And this is the play I'm talking about. It's behind him, bro. It's behind him. And that's Herbic guarding the number one receiver in the slot. So even if it was a DB that was a little bit behind, he could break up that pass. Because the pass was so far behind.

in the range, you could have broke it up. So that joint was the one that kind of threw me. Why do we have Herbic in the slot guarding, a buddy that worked them? Dude. And right after that, I think they hit another one for about 15. But they got a penalty for Taunton, right? Mm-hmm.

Thinking cool, like, we get them in like second and 20. Yes, that don't matter. Scream. They're going to hit, hit, yeah, they're going to hit Swift. He's going to have shake us for a little short pass that went 14, 15 yards. And third and six, 25-yard touchdown to more. We are in cover three. Again, no re-routes on any.

No reroutes. There's nothing Pierre can do. You got two vertical routes on you. You're the corner. You're inside man. You got a punch and widening. That's what it's called. Punch and widening.

Because if you don't do that, how am I supposed to be splitting these two vertical receivers? You got to push him to the outside to make him. closer to Pierre. If you don't, he's running straight down the Middle of your defense wide open like he did. So that's a punch and wide and that's a reroute. That's just, that scheme. You got to reroute that player.

That's just something of when you go to tape. It's simple. That's simple. It's nothing like, hey, bro, no, he was there. It's like, no. That's your man. Punch him. We route that man.

You see him running right up on you. Hit him. Yo. That's you got to do. Listen, we don't get. We like Caleb go five or five for 75 because he picked up the extra yard is from the penalty. Like, but we down now, 24, 21.

Yeah, quit. We get out there doing the first play, we get eight. And that's it. Three and out. Eight, zero. Finally, the defense comes back and stands up. We get a three and out. Yes.

On that first to 10th, too, you see Pierre fighting through the hands. That's how you finish the play. I love that. Yes. Love that. Yes. We get back out there. second down

we get a PI which give us like 27 yards something like that thank you thank you I appreciate it then the next play we we get hit for a loss of what

two three yep two yards they met Warren in the back field and then it's a sack fumble because somebody decided to leave

the tight end one on one with the same dude that caused the sack before that he was playing against why are we let he's a tight end for a reason i don't give him damn if he 311 he let him don't mean nothing if he can't block why are we letting the tight end go one on

one on one against the same dude that beating on a sack the sack before sack fumble oh yep cover the ball yep defense comes out there and shits down her leg 20 yards on the first down on that damn play the play action play action deep sits these are only two receivers out there on the field deba so they keep running this they're running bang eight they're running bang eights right behind the linebackers or they're running deep assits you know what I'm saying so they're running play actions is ball they're running good plays but like I don't know what's going on they got us off they got us off rhythm they score again it's 31 21, we come back out there, we put together, 17 play dry.

It's cool. It's cool. We had one nice play of, I think it was like 20 yards. Yeah. Everything else was seven yards in under. But we scored. Yeah. 3128, took almost eight minutes off the clock.

It took a very long time. It took a very long time. Mm-hmm. And the defense comes out, it stands up. They did what they needed to do. We get back out there, bro. It's third and four. Mason scrambles for 22.

And we get it called back because we can't even line up. Right. And what do you say? Do the routine things, routine things? Huh? Stop! We can't even line up right. We end up having to punt the ball.

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We got a minute 20 something left, whatever it may be. It took us eight minutes to go anywhere the last time because we can't throw the ball down the field no more than five yards. Unless we're going to get a P.I. Unless we go get a P.I. We end up turning over on Downs the game over with. Yeah.

Right. Defense. Soft. Oh. I'm tired of seeing the offensive lineman pushing our D-line to three yards deep. we're undisciplined or poorly coached or both we have a horrible defensive scheme

it's trash it's garbage we can't adjust at halftime it's non-existent or we're just being outcoast or both they're adjusting better than us we're in cover two three four zone defenses man and we're not doing the basic things of rerouting the receiver Yep. How do you think you're going to stop anything?

He's going to hit the ball in the hose. You're stressing your safety. You're keeping the quarterback's timing, bro. If you reroute the receiver, you actually get a defense anywhere from like a half second to get to the quarterback. Because now their timing is off. Yep. If you jam him, he now can't throw the route on. time. And sometimes, most of the time, half the time, anytime, they'll run their route short

because they got a time in their head when they know they need to be at the point they need to get to. But if they can't get there, they want to be able to turn to make sure they can at least help the quarterback so that he can throw it. I'm not seeing enough people matching people in their zone. We just sit there and stare at the quarterback and let the dude that's five yards away from, but just sit there and do nothing. Yeah. Sudden change and turn over on downs, we can't put out of fire. We're situationally trash.

We gave up three touchdowns. Yeah. Interception, the fumble, and the turnover on downs. Hmm? Yeah. We can't do the routine, routine things routinely. The offense is trash. Yes.

Okay. I'm seeing Mason Rudolph getting the same numbers as Aaron Rogers. So you're telling me that these two quarterbacks have the same talent? Hell no. No, no. So that means the offensive scheme is trash. The coordinator is trash. It looks, it looks.

The starting linebackers for them had a total of 60 snaps under their belt. None of they started linebackers was there. They had five tackles, Joe. I believe one was a rookie they just brought up from the practice squad. You telling me, we got to run misdirection, a bunch of motion plays to try and confuse them because they're new into it because we can't just run the ball down they felt. Yeah, Debo, this is what I'm going to tell you. I wouldn't go with our defense being trash. our defense is

opportunistic we get turnovers they're doing that like when you say what rank are we we're not even in the top half in turnovers we're number one in paying though I'm not expecting our office to do no

we spent all the money on defense we knew our office was what it was damn well okay if you putting it this so the defense this is what I'm going to say the run game you're saying exactly right we can't be getting pushed back the past game i see our defense playing better when

they're playing man to man the zone stuff though debo the things where people are running where you're not how are we playing better in past defensive we're not doing the things that are routine that is a automatic you put your hands on receivers jam them you disrupt their routes their timing yes yes yes so who is telling them or who is not correcting them or not doing this i would never I never say that they never, that's what, that's what, I know that's being taught. It has to be being taught, though, Debo. But yeah, they're not doing it. Why are they consistently not doing it then?

I don't. If you're not doing it, you either can't do it or won't do it. Either way it go, I need to get you out of there. You need to get out of there. Because it's not being done. I feel you. I wouldn't say, I would say with, yeah, just the normal things like you said, Debo, they need to do that better. They need to, there's no reason why we shouldn't be rerouting the receivers.

But on offense, like I say, too. like you said, you don't put them any credence because you know they was supposed to not be good. But I'm just saying like scheme-wise, all we're running is jet sweeps. All we're running is quick screen passes. We knew the offense was what it was, bro. Yes, Mason Rudolph went, what, 2431?

Oh, that's great. Six passes was behind the line of scrimmage, bro. Seven of them, I don't even think, went beyond. on five yards, or was it 11? I don't know. I could have probably did that. We had five passes that went beyond 10 yards of airtime. One of them got picked and one was complete.

That's it. You telling me that this ain't got nothing to do with coaching? This ain't got nothing to do with none of that. Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. And no, we are not firing Mike Tomlin. So give that up. The man has not had a losing season in the history of his head coaching career.

This is what I'm sure people to understand. So y'all can stop saying this is why it's not going to happen. There has not been a coach in the history that has done that and been fired, not even just been fired, not been renewed, okay? But it's getting damn close to looking like we might be doing that. You understand? Yeah. And I, bro, and I tell you this.

I tell you this, though, if that happens, it's going to be some furniture moving. It's going to be some furniture moving in the off season. if we mess around to have a losing season. I guarantee you it might be a whole new offenses and defensive staff. The only person that's going to be there is Mike Tomlin. I guarantee you that. Mike Tomlin going to be there, though.

Yeah. He going to be there. That's no question. Stilis don't just out and go. They don't just out and go. They're not going to let him go. Grass ain't always green on the other side, but you mess around to have a losing season,

they don't see what the grass look like. Somebody doesn't open the door so they can walk in there. Now, they may sit back and wait. It may not be a renewing of the contract. I don't know how many years it got. We've got a year two left, whatever it may be. Oh, they may then sit back and wait. We on year eight without a playoff win.

Chuck, no, 23 years. Only went four years without a playoff win. Bill Cowher, 15 years, only went three years without a payoff win. We're the Pittsburgh Steelers. week damn show ain't looking like it She Well I Debo I hear you I hear you

And you know what I respect it Because you you know what it is You're trying to get them boys back to what it was And defense isn't showing What y'all was doing back in the day I mean This is the problem bro But everybody thinks

Go ahead That when they put on that uniform They now They just instantly turn nice No It's work that come with that You got to put the work in It's just not

It's not like an Iron Man costume You just don't put it on the type of button It's not giving to you You got to earn it You got to earn it You got to get it out the mud Everybody think they put the uniform I'm a stiller, nope

Nope That ain't it Ryan Clark To tell you When he was playing When he was playing Ryan Clark went on here Put somebody

Did this thing on the field and that's when I ran over to R.C. said, hey, you are still a now. R.C. said that was something he didn't even know he needed to hear. But you know what? R.C. was putting in that work. I'm like, yo, that's a stiller. You know what the greatest compliment you can get?

It's from one of them old school guys. Mel Blunt. Yeah. Joe Green. You could have played with us. I don't think it's too many people they can say that to now. No, I feel that. I feel that.

I feel it, Debo. You're right. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a standard, like you said, but in the, when you, you, you just can't be thrown around. The standard is five hundred right now. No, no, no, I'm saying, when I'm saying the standard is when you, why, why you get so mad is because you're talking about when you hear standard is championships. It's when you were there with the boys, when you were there with Troy and Wood and y'all

really developed some stuff. You had Dick the Bow that really was teaching the schemes and y'all was, No, this is what it is. You just aren't a stealer. You got to work. You got to grind. You got to earn it. So you being this mad and just, just passionate, it's just because you know what it really

means when they say that stuff. You feel like they're just throwing shit around, but like that y'all took to the heart. And then you all meant, like, this is what it really means to be, you know what I'm saying, where we're at. So I can understand and respect a thousand percent where you're coming from. Putting that uniform on, don't make you a stealer. Don't make you iron. Not even, not even, not even Miss Rooney signing your check. It's the work you put in

That just means you were employed Period A lot of people played Not all of them We're stillers Let's go to the Browns man Come on man Let's go

Let's go over to these good old browns Shed Durr Shedir Shidir I'm gonna let you go on here And take off on this show I know you want to gloat Because I see you with all your

Cleveland gear on I just got the Cleveland And I got the The champ, the calves, I got the good old Browns. I got the good old Guardians now. All I can say is, Debo, that game that we went and played. So you're going to do a breakdown of the whole game?

Go ahead. We can go through it. We can go through it. We can go through it. We can go ahead, pop off. Pop off here, now. You know what I'm saying. Because Willing came down to it.

This is what happened. The defense sacked the hell out of Gino all night. Oh my goodness. It got comical, Debo. bruh, out of control. Ten times. Ten. What is he supposed to do?

Brough. I don't know, bro. They're sacrificing him. He's getting sacrificed, man. I understand he missed a lot of throws. I understand that. They drop some, too. Yes.

But your offensive line is, they, they, they, booboo. that was the offensive line was embarrassing they was sacking that dude left and right getting hit upside the head they were dropping the ball gino missed a couple of passes that were the first joint of the game that they had that could have easily been you know 50 60 yard completion you know what I'm saying so started them off the wrong way I was really really really happy that your door was able to go out there get a dub you know what I'm saying hey He made history. He made history, bro. It's been since 1995, we're my 117 when the quarterbacks go out there and start. So he didn't play a perfect game. But when we try to see progress and playing better from 4 to 16, you know what I'm saying, with a pick, and then just being able to develop, be a little bit more comfortable,

see some passes, being able to throw that ball, that 52-yard pass, bro, on 30-9. On the run. On the run. On the money. Show me. Show me where Gabriel. has done that. Never.

Matter of fact, on the 66-yard touchdown pass that was a swing, that same pass, they have identical setup where he just threw it over to the same. That wouldn't even have been a touchdown. Debo.

Thank you. Thank you. But you can't decide. Right now, you want to just work with this, you know, on who, you know, who you go start. You can't get no decisions. Do you really think that

that team at the locker room is going to let you go back. Like, matter of fact, we had a sound, dude, of what he said in the locker room. What's the fans he said in the locker room? Uh-huh. Run that for us, please. Let me get that.

Stayed resilient together. Like I told you, we needed to, right? Stay resilient together, and we fought together. How about Gage's big punt return on special team? How about Corey, every single time they're out there, pinning those guys doing your job. Okay. Offense wasn't perfect, wasn't perfect. How about that big play by Sam at the end?

All right, me, huge play, huge play. Harold making a big play, and then another rookie making his first start. Nice job, Shador. Well done. There's that old saying, save the best for last. How about that fucking defense? Holy f*** is what I have to say about that. Ten sacks by our defense.

Okay? I got one ball on my hand. Okay, I got a guy. He's got to get a cold every week. Okay? He had a cold this week. Wasn't feeling himself. Three sacks, which gives him 18 on the season through 11 games,

through 11 games, which breaks his own Brown's record, Miles Garrett. So I'll see you guys in tomorrow. Hey, I'll see you Wednesday! Hey, I'll see you Wednesday! Oh, victory, victory, victory, one of her victory Mondays. Victory, victory, Wednesday. Hey, hey, Shador, good job. Yeah, I know you was out there, good job.

Damn. How you feel about that? You think he should put a little more. You think he should put a little more emphasis? I mean, I just, I feel like I felt energy all through that until he got this door. That's just me. Debo, am I tripping or did he change his tone even a little bit? Like he took a little, yeah, like a little side, man.

Hey, hey, hey, you don't got to ask him, man, if I ask you, if I ask you, Debo, hey, man, just, just a random. Hey, how you, you like, you like, Jake, I can tell if you like, yeah, I like Jake, or like, yeah, Jake, cool. Or, you can tell from a demeanor of a delivery of how you really feel about a person. So what I'm saying is it just chose me so much more like, Miles Garrett, you should get Mount Gary 40 game balls. He should get it, but you should give him more than anything. Miles Garrett don't need or want, he wants you to, actually, I could tell the team was looking like, damn, do he's really giving it to Miles Garrett?

And he glazed over. After he really just glazed over him, he brought up the punter that punted it from the corner yard line and good, all right, good job, kid. I mean, that's nice. Okay, Shador Sanders was the first rookie quarterback to start. We went 0 for 17 and he went out there. And you know so much about the stats. How long ago was that?

1995. Yes. So we got Miles Garrett. And just even when we had Safansky's press conference or after the game thing right there, then when you have Miles Garrett, did you see when he threw the past and how happy and how hype he was to be like, like, I've never seen the past this good in my life. He said, I didn't even know where he was throwing it to. Having your best player that hype and knowing like his offense can really have a quarterback that can really throw the ball down field. We can actually score points on offense by the ball going like past five yards.

The excitement in Miles. I think, dude, I think Stavansky is one of those coaches that want to win his way, period. At whatever cost it may be, at whatever expense he wants to win it his way. so he can make himself right. But I'm going to tell you this, Debo, isn't it a point that where you start making yourself look silly?

Like, to your team, you can't walk into that locker room now and after that game, Dylan get back right, Shador's still starting. I don't give a damn. Just because, like, now he has another week of practice. He's getting his feet under the ground.

We saw he threw another, he threw a pick, but he threw 11 for 20. I like what he did with a lot more good than bad. Same thing we were doing with Dylan, like, okay, it's Shador's time. So what we're going to do is embrace this man, help him out, not saying like everything was good, but you know what, Miles Garrett sees the same thing I see.

If you're coming there and you got your best players on your team, it's like, man, we got a dude that can really throw like, okay, offense, we haven't been doing good this whole damn year. What's the point of, are we really trying to win? I'm Miles Garrett, I'm here. I'm obviously trying to win. When we don't do good on, oh, I'm still going out there fighting. The defense is fighting, scratching, trying not to give up nothing.

And now we really got a chance on this side, and you're going to sit here and play in my face. Oh, you got me messed up, coach? Like, I really can't rock with you. You're doing it for selfish purposes instead of the team. We're trying to win. That has nothing to do with you. Zero to do.

He's sitting on the side like, yo, we can actually get 50 yards in one play. Oh, my God. He's so happy. He's so hype. Not to mention he snapped something that was history for us. On top of that, bro, they also snapped a 13-game road losing streak. But he ain't saying nothing about that. All that.

All that. All that. All that. All that. And my man, and you know all these stats. You know Miles Garrett's stats. You know that he's going for the 18 and the broke discipline. You know exactly how you're all the OS 17.

You know exactly just a person. You know only five sacks away from breaking the record. Do you think he gets it? You know what? I'm going to answer it for you. Hell yeah, he gets it. Hell yeah. Playing San Francisco, I think they got like 19.

Tennessee, they don't allow 45 Chicago. It's 17. Shit, Buffalo got 26 right now. And then they play us. We don't gave up 34. Come on. And then finish with Cincinnati at 24th. He only need five sacks and what the next six games?

He ain't even one sack of game, bro. He got 14 in the last four. Bro, he can mess around and destroy that record and make it to where ain't nobody going to be able to touch that thing for until they add two, three more games. They're right. 18 through 11 games is crazy. Bro.

Brow. that unheard of unheard of so yep and it's a little but how you think though for real for real do you think Safansky like you said you say he's doing it the selfish way he wants to win

his way and that's basically what it is 100% dude 100% he's going to fight this until he can't fight it no more I mean right now the pain and I think he's going to fight it to his own detriment to his own detriment fire

and his whole staff fire because his ego is more important than anything else. I would just tell Shador, ball out, keep doing what you got to do. And just as if you, when you win, say it's the team. If you lose, blame it on you. Because people are going to always, we're going to give you praise on the outside. Just keep on.

Just keep getting it, brother. Keep, keep getting it. And you know how, oh, man, anyway. Let's go on over here, man. The Cowboys beat the Eagles. Them boys came back from being down. 21. 21 egg, no.

Wanky won, bro, and did what they had to do. Yo, I think Philly scored on like their first three possessions. That's it. That's it. Keep game on this, though, bro. The first half, I think that was only like 13 of 17 for 159. The second half, he only completed 10 passes. So he went 23 for 36, right?

Yeah. Finish with 354. That's 10. completions that's one okay for almost 200 yards yes and you know how that happened bombs and gp that man pickings came out in the second half only four catches a hundred yards bro he's a he's a he's a beast listen hey hey whoever does listen George, whoever, yo, Dallas Cowboys, we them boys, y'all are out of your mind if you think you're going to keep George Pickens and he's not going to be paid more than C.D. Lamb, you are out of your mind. It is not happening.

Debo, this man has paid himself into the biggest bag. Biggest bag ever. Biggest bag ever. Like, he went nine to nine, bro. He threw it at him nine times. He caught all nine. He wants all the smoke. He wants all the fade balls.

He wants the slants. He wants the digs. He wants the comebacks. He's doing work. Catching the ball. And, like, he's trying to score every time he gets. Trying to score. Trying to score.

Get off of me, little boys. And that's what they're saying. Like, you can't guard him one-on-one. I'm like this. Honestly, you can't. Honestly, you can't. Dude. And then Jerry's little pickups in the, you know, his pickups in the,

before the trade deadline worked out. Hey, only 63 yards rushing. They was averaging damn there a buck 30 giving up. That man Williamson, bro, he's a dog. He really is. His energy, he just be, yeah, he's getting, and a couple of plays that the center within one second, he just beat him off the line.

You keep couldn't block him. Listen, you got to have that. You got to have that. You got to have, when you had that, that deal lineman where you know they need to, that frees up, that frees up other people. It does. Especially your linebackers. Like, what you, it gives, it gives your DBs more time, or I should say less time to have to cover. Yes.

Ain't nothing like it. Like, if we jammed up the receivers, same thing. More time to get there. Same thing. Rush and coverage work together. We reroute. Time is all. We got a rush and curve.

Cover worked the same way. Yep. My braces. What you think about the Eagles, though, Debo? I mean, they go up. They start out, baby. They, dude, they've been doing this for a minute. Like, the second half, they don't really do much, bro.

They've been doing this for a minute. Like, I just, they have the weapons there. They have so much skills. choosing it, dude. And I don't, like I said, hey, I ain't that invested in the Eagles. I can kill us. Yeah. Hey. Me either. It's your problem and I'm glad you got it. Okay. Yeah. You feel me? They got to figure something out. Yeah. Speaking of that, bro, Giants let the lions beat them in overtime, bro. It is the fourth quarter. order. You're up by three. Okay. Now, after avoiding a sack, on third and long, you get a huge game, bro. And then you get to, what was it, first and goal? At the three? Yes.

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available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. on fourth down instead of kicking a field goal to put you up six they make them have to score and on top of that they only had one time out you decide to go for it don't make it and then lose the game you have to be dumb as a boxer rocks and that that is why you were relieved of your duty neighbors had this to say when uh he uh recently deleted post do we have that can we put that up yes put that up right there hey look he says sometimes i think they'd be making us lose on purpose because there's no way bro you throw the ball

instead of running it to make them burn two timeouts then you don't kick you the field goal, then they have to go down and score football common sense. Am I missing something? Listen, bro, you're not missing nothing. You're not missing nothing at all. You're not missing nothing. And that's exactly why they fired him, right? And they fired the defensive coordinator.

Wasn't he to stand in or something? Was he the standing head? Because they had just fired your boy, what's his name? Oh, Debo, they just fired. Debo, yeah. Yeah, I think he was the standing. Was he the interim? I think so.

All I know is I'm not mad at what he's saying right here, Debo? If he ain't the interim, you don't have fired the wrong person. You need to fire. You need to fire whoever made that decision. Whoever made that decision need to be fired. They lost you the game. Why? Why would you do that?

And they only have one time out, bro. One. I don't know, man. I mean, and that's what you mean you don't know. No, that's what I'm saying. I don't know why they did that. They're tripping. They shouldn't have done that.

And I say, I don't blame when neighbors write some stuff like that, that's, I mean, you on the team, you're looking at the game. And when things like that blatantly happened, I'm like, why did not we not kick the field? Are we trying to lose this game? Like, are we trying to get a higher draft bit? Like, what are we doing here? Kick the food on. Man, I understand you deleted it.

But, man, you know, them boys fast with them fingers, you might as well go on head and put it back up because they go ask you about it. You might as well, yeah, you got to, you got to down the sword now. You got to stand on it. You got to stand on it now. For sure. That's football. Like you said, that's football common sense.

It is. Because he's not lying. I mean, you know how they never want you talking bad about your own team or putting stuff out there, but it's like, man. They see it too. That was kind of dumb. You know, you know how it be when you're sitting there like, hey, man, what? Sitting on the playing, you're like, man, what the hell is they?

What? Looking at each other, like, man, we lost. Like, these nigs got ulterior motives? What's going on? What's going on in here? Oh, everybody know that feeling, brother. Yeah. Everybody had that one situation where you're like, eh.

Boy, I don't know. I know my one. When we was in Cleveland and we drafted my good friend Leon McFadden right before the Honey Badger, we needed a corner, and Honey Badger was right on the board, and we drafted Leon McFadden. I said, oh, no, we don't want to. win. Oh, we're tripping out. We have Honey Badger right here. I didn't tweet it. I didn't say anything about it. I just left that in my mind until right now. I just had to get that on my chest.

You had to get it off your chest. You know what? I've been thinking about this for 30s and I've been thinking about this for a long time. God damn. Bro, look here, bro. Yes, sir. It's our time for a play or fade presented by prize picks. So here's how it works, all right? I made a lineup of my picks for Monday night football. Okay. Okay. And you'll enter play my lineup.

Okay. Fade it and tell me why you don't want to go with it and what you go do. Okay. Right here, listen, bro, I got McCaffrey. Okay. Easily going over. I like McCaffrey, Longest Rush, 15 and a half, easy. I like that, for sure.

Stand on it. Okay. Now, I also got Bryce. Five over. I got him over. I got him more. I like Bryce also. Okay.

Okay. Okay, I'm doing good. You're doing good. Right now, you're doing good. You're doing good. I'm doing good. I'm doing good, baby. Now, the whole reason I got Bryce over is the defense is, you know, it's decimated.

Yeah. I believe he can easily, you know, scramble. He's going to have the thousand percent, bro. It's five and a half, yes. I like him to scramble for eight and a eight yard. He might get nine. Yo, and they get McCaffrey the ball too much for him not to break one. He's the only source.

At least twanky. Come on what I'm saying? Debo, I'm with you on these top two for sure. You're with me on the top too, okay? Well, look here, man. I also got McCaffrey, you know what I'm saying for? I got a, he goes all the screens, he gets all the dump-offs, he gets all the checkdowns. It's going to be more.

Yes, I'm with that. I'm with that. I'm with that. You with that? Okay, okay. Now, I got Kiddo, too, now. Fade me. This is all the guys they throw the ball, too.

Only one. Like, the one, this is the only one. You got to get it to Kiddo and McCaffrey if you are going to win this game. Period. This is the only one that I don't know. What? It's the only one. You're going to fade on me?

On your boy? I don't. I almost... Why? Why, Joe? You know why? Because, I mean, I just think... I just think Christian McCaffrey going to get down,

probably had like 80 receiving. I don't know if Kittles going to even need to be doing too much. I think it's going to be mainly just Christian McCaffrey. You really believe that they ain't going to try and key in on him at some point and Kitto ain't going to get that... No, fuck. You're right. No, you're right. Let's play it. Play it.

I'm going to say, man, what is you doing? I'm playing this one. We're playing this one. And the only thing we're going to watch when we're just watching Kittle, I hope he gets off early. You're saying he got to get off early. I hope he gets off early. Just for my, just for my mental. Just for your mental. Just for my mental.

Listen, bro. But, Debo, I ain't going to lie. For the first one, this is this is my next lineup. Dude, that's only, that's barely 100, 100 yards between the two of them. No, you're right. I got to do my math right. Yep. Like, come on.

I think you're telling me. That's for sure. All right, Debo, I'm telling you, the only one I'm watching is George. I'm being honest. I love the pics. You hating, bro. Never, Debo. I never thought I see the day.

No, no. Joe. No, man, never. Go to fade on this boy like that. Never been a hater. Never been a hater. Never been a hater. Oh, to fade on this boy like that.

No, no, no, man. We gonna play. I'm gonna play. Look here, man. I'm gonna play this life. You're gonna play it? You'll play it all. We good did.

I will play it all. I would play it all. I would play it all. Good then, brother. Look here, man. Listen, download the app today and use code. Debo Joe. to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup, okay?

Yes. That's Debo Joe, okay? D-E-E-O-J-O-E. One, all together. D-E-E-B-O-J-O-E. And you get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. Come on, man. Have your mama get it.

How your papa get it. How your cousin, get it, everybody, everybody here. We're going to hit this late tonight. No question. No question. When Aaron Rogers coming back, man? Man, soon. I don't even think it's going to matter to me.

I'm looking at the same numbers. This is what I'm trying to figure out, too, Debo, like you said, we got to change the route running. The routes, my dudes are just running slants. And we got the bills coming up, bro. Yeah. The bills. I like it

It can happen Well you know Anything can happen We know we just need to stop the run We need to prepare for the bills Like we stopped the run We let Caleb do what he did Yeah he did he did for three tuddies

Caleb Because we ain't jamming people We can't let We got to put We got to push in widen We got to punch it widen P-dub and Apple. Coming to the game, Joe?

Yes, sir. I am coming to the game. I get out there Saturday. Okay. Yes. You be out here Saturday where you're going to be. Come on through. Come on through the crib.

I'm going to pull up on you, Dibbo. No, for show. For sure. I get out there Saturday and I'm a chill and I probably leave on Monday. Dude. If we'll talk about the rest of that stuff later in the week. But that's going to be, that's going to be, it's going to be. Dude, look at the lineup, bro.

Who we all got left? Now, don't forget, the office is playing how the offense is playing. The defense is playing, how the defense is playing. And I am not counting on the offense to do much. That's just what it is. I know. And now, I have no clue when I'm getting from my decent. We

Yeah Yeah it's yeah You like and you both don't Are the laws Listen Bravens Bravens Ravens getting Ravens getting better right now

Yes That's what lions The lions who just They helped Dumb coaching over there But still it's the lions They got a two-headed monster over there, bro Yes they do

Oh my The Gibbs is ridiculous And the way we're getting pushed I don't, You don't want to see that But we can do what we did against Jonathan Taylor We still have it in them They still have it in them

How many turnovers was it, bro? A lot But that's what they do We got it, we got it We could be living on the town We got turnovers this time And a touchdown we still couldn't win Ah

Yeah Because that's thought Because that's the offense, too. We just, hopefully, you know what? Put Washington back in the game more often. Get it to him, you know? And then at the same time, all these, damn, I just don't know what, because there's too many screens, Debo.

It's too many screens and there's too many jet sweeps. What is this, bro? Apparently, Ocho got another message for me, Joe. Let's see what he has to say. Listen to this bull spit, please. Hey, hey, show, oh, show, uh, show, uh, show, uh, show, uh, show, uh, let me show you how you're supposed to look. Hey, look at this, look at this, look at this.

It's how I'm supposed to look. And look how, look how smooth. Yo, I don't play, Joe. Okay. Nice and tight. Everything. Hey, my hand, hand, oh, up top. Just real sharp.

What'd you look at that, Joe, uh-oh, Joe. I was looking at the chat. I was hoping Debo was in the chat. I just know I'm going to beat his ass. I'm going to rearrange his face. I'm going to rearrange his furnishing. He thinks, oh, hey, all that muscle, Joe, I'm going to have him looking so silly out there, Joe, with the footwork.

Man, I'm going to give him a three piece of the biscuit. Move around. Hey, move around, Joe, not run away, Joe, move around. I get you. I got you. Joe don't believe his ass even. Hey, man, listen. I love the confidence, bro, I really do.

Hey, this ain't boxing. Y'all say, you know. I really do. But it don't matter if you throwing popcorn. I'm going to eat that. We have to movies. I eat that. And I can grab you and put my hands on you.

That's what I'm saying. Y'all aren't boxing. Chad, this is MMA. This is MMA. I believe a guy just lost his life. I mean, I would, horrible. horrible thing happened I believe it was yesterday

and I don't I don't want to have to be responsible for what could possibly happen to you so neither do I this

this is what I'm going to do for you chat if you really want this we can meet up wherever and we can handle it. But I know you don't want this, Chad. You don't want to do that? I know you don't want to do that,

Chad. No, no, no, no, no. Listen here, no. Listen here, man. Listen here. Listen here. This is entertainment purposes only. I'm going to give you what you want.

If you're looking for it. It's entertainment, but, hey, listen, I don't know if I can control my anger. No. If you, you know, if you actually get a good one on me because then I might just flip.

Old games might come out. You know what I'm saying? He's asking for it, though, Debo. You can get one. what you, you can give him what he wants. Dude, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't have a man life on my hand. My mama told me I couldn't do it. I ain't going to lie to you.

That's real talk. Yeah, that's my talk. She said, you really, you really go fight that boy. You know you go hurt him. He's too little. He, and he don't mean what he say. They say, they say he'd be playing all the time. He just be playing a lot.

I said, look here now. And the man really won't. I'm going to have to give him what it won't. You got to get the people what they want. You got to, Debo. You got to get the people what they want. I'm here for it, though. I swear I'll be your first person in attendance.

Yo, Joe, do we got a super chat over there, Joe? Do we got a super chat? I don't got it on mine. I think we got a super chat. We got Secure 85, donate $5 an ass. Hey, thank you. What up, Debo and Joe? Which DC in the game today would you like to play for

and distillers should blow it up and rebuild a lot of money, little results. Which de-coordinator, would you like to play for today? I'm only playing for one person. That's Digler-Bow. If I'm going with somebody in a league right now, though, Debo, if you just want us to have a coordinator, I'll probably go with Detroit. If Digler-Bow come back, I'll come back. I'm dead serious, Brian.

Digli-L-Bow come back. I'll coach it. Dicklebone come back. I'll be his lineback coach. See? Digler Boe cold. How many, how many decordinators you know? Stand on the sideline without a call sheet in their hand and tell you exactly what the play that he's going to put out next depending on what goes on the field. It ain't nobody you got out there. Dick LeBoe didn't even use a call sheet. Dick LaBoe don't even have a written whole scheme of his defense on paper because it's awe here in his memory.

When he would give us the stuff, that would be the, when he wrote it down, that he would give us our sheets that we would, he don't have a master sheet like all these other coaches. They got a master sheet of how they do. No. Dick LeBow got it all in the dome. He got all in his dome, dude. Genius. James, bro.

Genius. Shout out Dick Lebo. Oh, no question. 100%, dude. If it wasn't a Dick LeBoe, there would be no James Harrison. Without Dick LeBoe, there. There's no James Harrison. Without Keith Butler, without Keith Butler, there is no James Harrison.

Keith Butler is the coldest linebacker coach I ever had. He developed, but he made me into what I am. I tell everybody that to the day I die. And without Dick LeBow's defense, I wouldn't be here right now where I'm at. Because the defense that I thought was so hard for me to earn to learn, rather, was tailor made for me once I actually sat down and became a true professional and learned it. This is what it got me.

See them right there? Mm-hmm. You see that? That VP right here? Yep. All this. Good old trophies. No question.

That's what it's about. It's about championships. Every year, only one team succeeds. Period. Everybody else fails. Everybody else loses. Look here, baby. Come on.

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