Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Steelers KO Ravens, Shedeur SPECTACULAR vs. Titans, Chiefs fall to Texans

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Sunday Night Football, where Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs were defeated by CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans. Later, Deebo & Joe react to Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers' timely win vs. Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens, Kevin Stefanski's odd decision to pull Shedeur Sanders on the final 2-point conversion in a loss to Cam Ward and the Tennessee Titans, and much more action from Week 14 of the 2025 NFL season! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE  Timeline:00:00 - Steelers beat Ravens 38:00 - Browns lose to Titans52:55 - Bills beat Bengals54:00 - Chiefs lose to Texans57:20 - Play or Fade presented by PrizePicks (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Joe, how you doing today, Joe? Yeah, yeah, I'm good and I'm bad. It was up and down, up and down weekend, Debo. You know, obviously, because we had a lot of good on our black and yellow side, and I had a lot of bad on my brown side. Listen, man. Listen, listen, I don't, listen, I don't even know what to say. I just, you know, I don't know on this beautiful victory Monday, you know.

Hey, let's just get into it, man, you know. Let's get into it, man. You know, and up out there, man, and we let him go on here, get out there, get the ball first. You know, we go ahead. We deferred. And then he is likely on the first down for seven. And then Henry gets seven. After that, he gets six.

And, hey, T.J. said, hey, I got to meet you here. I got to come see about me. Two y'all lost. Two y'all lost. We get the third down. and, uh, bombs and over flowers on that dude. Listen, they reviewed it and they upheld it. I don't think it should account it either.

But that's just me, but they, they later on, they gave us the same thing on D.K. On which, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, they kept it, they kept it fair. They did, they, you know what I'm saying? They made sure. They did it both ways. Right. They went on here, got to get back on it. Yeah, yeah.

They got to get back on that. Yep. And then, you know, T.J. Chase that man down on the first down on the backside again. No game. Second down 10. I think Mitchell might have ran for like six or something like that. We ain't tripping. Because third down, what is that? That goes. And I look, I'm going to talk to him bad when he do bad, but I'm going to talk to him good when he do good. My man was in that good man to man gets his head back. So it's no PI makes a great point. Play.

Man and man, Slop Faye versus A, big time play. Come on. Shut it down, man. We hold him two or three. Still has come back out there, man. No, that first play. What they say?

They said it's still a K throw the ball down the field. What Rogers do you want to play man-to-man-man on D-K all night? You don't lost your mind. You see everybody been doubly. But, hey, y'all think y'all got something. Bombed it, bond them up, Debo. First play of the game. That was beautiful, brother.

52, y'all. That was beautiful. 52 y'all. You know what they did on the next play? Get him another. Let's speed out for a hot set. For a hot set. And then, I wish he had held onto that on third down.

That would have been like the trifector. That was great defense by Humphrey. I know. I got to give him to him. He played right through the hands. I was like just, oh, my goodness. He caught it, and then he broke it up. like this. Oh, my goodness. Great ball placement.

Great job out of receiver, but you got a hold... You know what that would have did to his confidence if he could have held him to me? He would have walked the whole thing down the whole field. Bomb, out route, tutty. D.K. He would have ran... I ain't tripping, though. I ain't tripped. We get to the fourth and one. We do a proper push.

A proper push. We do a proper push push. And you know what? They said that somebody couldn't move no more like, oh, I think his name. They call him Rodgers on that third down. He did not look unathletic. He didn't look like a track star, but he didn't look, you know what I'm saying? It's 50. Give me that discount, double check on it.

That was good vibes. I remember you doing that on this in the Super Bowl, too. I still ain't, you know it, but you're still now. Yeah, I can see. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, that's my guy, man. Seventy-three, we up. Ravins get back out there.

I think Lamar ended up scrambling for a hot four on that first down. Second down, Henry come through. I think it was only a one. Yeah. And then my man, Eccles, Sack. Come on. What a name is. You know exactly who it is.

What a name is? The Boy 26, Echols, I think he listened to the pod. He listened to the pod. Because I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you when you do good. And I'm going to watch. When you do good? I want you to succeed, my brother Echols. Hey, man.

Come on. Good sax. I love it. Three and out, baby. We force a punt. Hey, hey, hey, that's a good, get the ball. Stillers get the ball back. I think Rogers went to Warren for a little three.

Little swing. And then it was Warren again. He ran for five. Get to the third and one. He snapped one to Austin for three. But they should have sped that up. They said when he was out of bounds. They said he was out of bounds.

They said he was. He didn't control it. He didn't control it. They see it, get the review. We got a punt to rock. That's, yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes it happens. It happens.

I ain't tripping. We get back out there. I think this one, that boy, Mitchell, he. Oh, yeah. He went on head. Yeah, I think he got like maybe three on the first and then another three on the second. And then Lamar, listen, I don't, I know he ain't 100%, but he enough to get loose

for nine on us. Quick. Quick. He was using his legs a little bit on us. That was, we, our lanes weren't that bad, but he found it. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't too bad. Like, dudes was trying to stay rushing lanes, but he, he keep hopping around.

He's going to find something. Yeah, we get a, we get a PI on the first down, but it ain't really that big a deal. I think it was. was it, three yards and ended up being all together. And then the first down, he got that incompletion to flowers because he couldn't get that other foot down. That, that helps a lot. He was, that's just bad.

That's just bad recognition. That's wide out. You got to put your feet in there. You got to tap that. I'm not mad at it. He ain't played for us. He don't play for us, yo. I'm not true.

I'm just coaching up good players. Yeah, you got to recognize that. You got to recognize that. Next time. No. Don't recognize. nights and next time we'll play y'all again. Keep doing what you're doing.

I think Mitchell got a good run for about six on that second down, third down. You know why? Great communication, man-in-man-man, Zay Flowers comes in on the motion and echoes and Pierre. Oh, and come, combo, combo. Hey, let it go. I got it, I got it. I got it.

You can't catch him from all the way over there, Pierre. You're going to be in trail. I'm already inside. Great communication. Echoes again. And Pierre, like, that was. Great communication by the DB is able to get off of there and punt. Yeah, they punt the ball.

I think we get about five on the first down. Second down, if he hadn't got that little pressure, D.K. would have had him a nice, another little catch there, but it was a little off his fingertips. He tried to go on it to the window. Third down and five. Third down five. Hey, Gainwell, what did he do?

He gets Sam. He gets Sam. We get a fall start on second and ten. and the next play Now pick up 12 But we lose Washington on that same play He'd get concussed

Head hit the ground Bond Star And third and three What they say we don't do What they say we don't do They say we don't throw the ball down Man DK again

Quick Fade dropped it in the bucket That was a dot and they better hurry if we get on the ball What are you? They went on here and did that one. That was that little, you know what I'm saying?

Da-da-da-da. We get to the second down to 10 where the name is. Game well. They had to pull his face mask to try and stop me. He still got nine. Half the distance with the face mask. And I don't know how they did this.

But Baltimore's defense, dude, they be putting on fire. It was the third and five. Gainwell had it, and he was getting ready to dead leg and rolled his ankle. And then, you know what I'm saying? So I thought, he got, he had. I don't know.

It was still a lot of bodies there. He had my open grass. He got two y'all. We need a five. Yeah, I feel you. It would still been tough. It would still been tough. Yeah.

Yeah. They hold us to a field goal. Bank roll. But, you know, he ain't tripping. Ain't tripping. Ten to three. We're doing what we do, man. First play.

I think it was only what? Then they did like a low... One yard. Something like that. And they had an eligible man downfield. We declined that because it really didn't matter. You know what I'm saying? Hey, something happened around like third down, third and four.

I think somebody else... Yeah, the other... My other good man's that we was talking about that was communicating earlier, James Pierre. Come on, man. What a name is, yo! That's how you play flat. That's how you play hot or low.

You know what I'm saying? He's like, oh, no, I might come up. No, I might come back. Yeah. Bro, perfect. Bated Lamar thinking it was sweet. Great pick. Great pick.

Yes, sir. We get back out there, man. And they said Rogers couldn't move, man. Second and nine, I've seen this man extending the plate. He went on hit Ben for, for what was it, 13? Hey, hey, first and now. Hey, D.K. Hey.

Corner. He tried to run buddy, smack over. I mean, you know, it is what it is. Hey, second down, Rogers get a little pressure. But he's still able to, he's still able to hit at him, you know? Third one. That was defense. That was just, that was the D.

Fayeball, like. I got, oh, man, I just, I don't want to give him credit. You got to, Debo. That was just good. Situation that was doing what they needed. That was Humphrey. That was one-on-one D-K. Like, you're going to.

Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I want you. I feel like he kind of, you know, I don't know. You know, I'm behaving. You know, I'm leaning towards the black and gold. No, for show. What?

But, hey, I ain't tripping. We go, we kick the field goal. We make the field goal. That was, I ain't going to lie to. Debo, that was bogus. That wasn't, I ain't gonna lie. That wasn't, that wasn't what it was. Yeah, that was bogus.

I ain't tripping, though. I ain't tripping either. I promise. I take it. If it was the other way, I am losing my mind right now. If it's the other way, they're going to have to see about us, Debo. Because they stole a game from us then. If we'd have lost that, that's foggy.

They're like, what do you mean? Nobody, he, you're supposed to not hit him on the head. They didn't touch him on the head. They might have hit his, they might have touched his shoulder pad. And that's my good. They touched his shoulder. That was, hey, I. I take it, though.

That get us the ball back, man. The next play game, well, going to have sex, and get a sap. 17 to 3. Oh. Debo, I ain't going to lie to you right there. I'm like, oh, my goodness. There, that hurt them. That hurt them bad.

Oh, that hurt them bad. It hurt them real bad. I think it was like Ravens get back out there. I think second and nine is when. Second and eight, Henry got nine. Yeah, he put, he put my guy, Harrison's sleep, sleep. I don't, I'm not, this is why you do not hit Derek Henry in his thighs. That man went to sleep, sleep night night.

No, you go hit Derek Henry. You better either try and bombing or just above me. You can't hit the thighs on, what are the man? He's like $250, bro. $250. And you're putting all that down low on $250? It's going to be, yeah, you're going to see some little dude. You're going to see some little things floating across your head.

No, he ain't seen nothing. It just saw black. First down, Lamar, the Flowers, for about nine. I think Henry converted on the next play. And then later on, we get to the third and two. And Highsmith gets a neutral zone. infraction. Yes, he does.

We helping them. We give them a first down. We get to, what was it, a third and eight. Oh, man. Ramsey made the great delay. And we get illegal contacts. Get another one. We don't, we don't gave them two first downs in the stride.

I think they end up getting five on the next two plays, which made another first down. And then third down, Lamar scrambles in. for the six yard touchdown and they end up missing the extra point. So it's now 9 to 17. Going in the halftime, I ain't tripping, but I'm tripping.

I'm kind of tripping, but I ain't tripping because they ain't really do it. We helped them and we got over. So I was like this. Okay, boom. We're feeling pretty good. No question. Hey, who get the ball at the start of the

Shuck and Harry. Stillers. I think some old man they called Uncky extended a play again. Moving, moving, moving, waiting, waiting, waiting, finding, D.K., Mr. Strongman. For 42. Yes, sir, yes. Ball down to the 19-yard line, bro,

after the first play. No question. Easy money, easy money. we conferred one more first down and we get to the Baltimore 8 and we stall out Yep We gotta kick a field goal

20 to 9 I'm tripping But I ain't tripping Yep Same we want to us We want to us But end of the day We get points

We didn't turn it over So we're tripping but we're not I know what you're saying Nah all right All right All right get out there first play, Henry go for six, and then they take him out the game. I'm like, oh, good.

31, this dude, Mitchell, this dude, go 55 to our seven-yard line. What? Brody, they had them tight, they had the two tight ends over there. They just blocked us down, Queen trying to go under. Pierre, that just, yeah, they blocked us up real. They just blocked everybody up, bro. I've seen it. I try to look at the play like a thousand times.

times. We got people in the wrong saying gaps. We got the tight end just literally blocking down high Smith and they're just making gaps. They, they, they, we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not in the problem. That one we got blocked up crazy. We can't, we can't, we got to, we got to not get debowed. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, you can't just accept that block. You got to push him into some, into some stuff. And then on third down, Lamar hits likely for the touchdown. We in a fight. 20 to 16 I think we get back out there

and on second down I think we got a holding penalty that bumped us back. Second to 17. Rod. Yeah, then Rogers hit DK for about 12. And then on 30, my God.

Dropped in the bucket, quick fade. And guess what? I'm not going to lie, I haven't been too high on Austin, but he quick released that man and hit him with that quick fade, right on time. Listen, baby. Hey, listen, timing is everything. You're right.

Timing is everything. And then you know what them boys did on that next third down. You know what them Ravens did on that next third down? They said, we go blitz. We go blitz. You go blitz, and then you ain't go covering nobody? Who you think? Warren was wide open.

Fire move was wide open. We could have picked our poison on that one for the tutty. 38. Touchdown. Twank is seven to 16. We run the north. I hear you. I hear you, people.

I'm here. I'm here. I'm with it. The still is right there. Hey. Getting the Ravens' ass out the way. I'm here for. Get him out the way, man.

Baltimore get out there. I don't know how he scrambled off. Because he's Lamar Jackson. He's talented. We got to get you. I don't want to see this dude 100%. He looked like he gets better. He looked like he's getting more and more.

I know. And then we got a plan again. We got to lock in. We're going to lock in. We're going to lock in. Henry go for six on the next play. And then again, third down, Lamar keeps it because we have been crashing down. He's smart.

We done. We're done crash down now. Because now we know he can still run it again. Yes. We did it a lot because that's when T.J. was getting Derek Henry in the backfield going smack at him. I'm like, I don't care. I'm coming for you. Then he hits, I think it was Bateman for 18. That deep curl.

And then he run for another, what, five or six, followed by Henry, who hit us for about eight. Ravens, they had like our 16. And, hey, hey, defense, hey, hey, hey. You know what time? Because I ain't going to lie. I thought we was in trouble. I thought they was going to get now. Yeah, yeah.

I was nervous. Ben, but don't break. Bend the don't break. You know, when you keep bending something a lot, it's easier to break. Yeah, no, for sure. And Bateman dropped the ball, too, on the drag. On the drag. Yes.

They helped us a little bit better now. We're going to take that. It happens. We're going to take that. What is it? 2719. 2719 now? 2719.

And we go three and out. And out. Added with a delay of game on a manageable, what, third and six. Now we end up punting the rock in the first play. Lamar, he hit flowers for what, 95? And then they just went. Henry crazy. I think it was Henry for five, three, one,

and then on the fourth, for four. But. But don't break. Don't break. Don't break. Don't break. Twank it to 27. We.

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the 4th. Hey, I ain't going to lie to you, man. That, on that second down, that passed, they got, when they get back out there, they got battering it to Aaron's hands. And he catches it. And he hits his knee. For me, if it's the other way, I don't see a clear possession of that for him to, I see it touching his hands. I don't see, like, clear possession, especially when you say that likely wasn't clearly possessed on that one. That's, I don't know. But, hey, I take it again.

But if it's the other way around, I'm going bananas. Honestly, those are two calls that we got that if it was the other way around, we'll be feeling a different type of way. We got three. We ain't even got to the last one. We ended up having the punt because I think, well, we lost nine on that play. Ravens get back out there. And this man, Henry, 19, then five.

I think they get to like a fourth and five. and he hits flowers for just enough six. Ramsey was right on the line. Right there. He just can't, yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't get upset with him. But, Lebo, he's getting that, goddamn. No question, it's bang, bang, man. Like, come on.

Like, he coming down from safety, too, now. They're disguising because dude came off on the blitz. So, I mean, you know, it is what it is. He did a good job disguising. He wasn't trying to just uncover him and be standing over top of him. So he tried to stay away. Yeah, it's four from five. That third and eight, where Flowers took that thing, 33 to the, what, 13-yard line?

Oh, see, that one, that was the false communication. That's, we got three people in a bunch, and we just let him run underneath. Like, that was not. Nobody even went inside. Like, somebody's supposed to be sitting inside for the route inside, right? It's three people there. So there's three-d-b. Everybody outside.

So somebody has the point, man, and that position, it was the, It was the two corners and the safety. I'm putting the safety on the point. You take the tight end, and me and my man were in and outing the two wide receivers, the two corners. We had Pierre up on the ball and the safety, man and his dude, it was just not good communication, Devo. I watched that one a couple of times. What are we doing? It's three of us, three of them.

We had the safety in two corners. They have a tight end and two receivers. The two receivers are handled by the corners. The tight end is handled by the safety. There's nothing else to talk about. let's get to it. You know what I'm saying? Right.

We just, we, we, we, we bomb it. And then the first down is when Lamar hits likely for what

is a touchdown, but under review, they say it don't come. And they take it away. Again, I am going living, if this is us. And we're the ones

that they don't took a touchdown away. This dude got two, almost three steps down. And you can see, where, you know, like, it's not a football move. Like, I don't understand. So somebody that reaches the ball across the goal line, do they need to do a football move before it breaks it?

No, I know. I don't, hey, like I said, I ain't tripping. I'm glad you're not. You, you, you, they're saying, if it was the other way around, and that was us, and then that was Washington that caught it, you're like, that's a touchdown after the second step. Easy, I hate you. he was like he was relaxing and that's why that ball he was he was relaxing i mean hey but

hey that ain't a touchdown man that's y'all problem and i'm glad you got it but uh they end up going forward on what was it fourth and five they gets nathan queen stop andrews turn them on down let's go no question no question and then we get out there and we go three and uh yeah but They helped us a little bit. When we punted through rock, they had to move them back over. They got a hold. They got a hold on 26, y'all.

A hole. And then the first down, and then the first down, first play they got, they got another hole in the penalty. So now it's second, it's first and 20. Dude, they get six on the first time. They get four on the second down. Eight on the third down and pick up another eight on fourth down.

we are supposed to hold that right now for sure first in twanky would like we are supposed to hold that right there second down he hit tool was a cooler color for 19 yep and it's only nine seconds left the needle on that joint that was a tight ball yeah oh yeah there's only nine seconds left on that third down and a we close it out Alex High Smith Alist High Smith Ran him down Finish the game Yes sir Yes sir

Look here, buddy Hey Who Who top in the Who top in the You already know Debo Distillers

The Steelers That's actually crazy Hey look here now Look here the O.C, he must have said, hey, I don't know what happened, but he did something right. Aaron Rogers, D.K., they put him at work. Aaron Rogers, hey, hey, hey, that's what I was expecting to see when he first came here. That's what I was expecting to see.

The throws that he had been missing earlier in the year, he made it all now. Like, that's what I was expecting to see. I mean. And Baltimore made the biggest mistake ever. You don't cover D.K. One-on-one. You've seen what everybody's been doing. That's how they've been stopping, doubling.

Y'all thought you was going near and cover D.K., just one-on-one. We got chunk play after chunk play, dude. We converted in down-and-distance situations. We scored in the red zone for the most part. Touchdowns. Not just kicking field goals. The offensive line did a good job. And now we see what the offense can do.

We see what it's capable of. Let's do this. Week in and week out. There's no excuses. We're in the position right now to control our destiny. All we got to do is go out here and ball out. Aaron, 23 for 34, for 284, DK, 7. for 148

hell even Warren got him three for 49 with a touchdown Austin had the one for 31 quick failure like this is what I thought we were going to see from our offense

now the defense played well enough to win they did better in the red zone and that was a major major outcome and then we got turnover we got sacks we closed the game out when it was necessary we made the plays that we needed to play to make when we needed to make them complimentary football what is so

dibo how do you feel what does this make you feel about uh coach t about his job do you think it was a better they do do a better job today in your opinion i think he did a better job today in your opinion? I think he did a better job because we won. Now, if I'm going to

say that he should keep his job, this is my thing. Yeah, go ahead. Let me know. What's up? So, for me, the only thing for me that would 100% keep him with me, if I'm in the owner's hat,

is I need a chip thing. That's just me because I look at this game and I see that we still gave up 217 yards rushing. You know, I see that we gave up, was it, 420 yards rushing? Now, if I'm going to sit here and be like, well, he changed from, point A to point B. Okay, I could go from point A to point B. But to do that and not strictly base it on wins, like if you win it all, I don't care what your numbers are because you found a way to win the chip. I don't care what your numbers are. But if you don't, then now I have to look at it in terms of what it is. And that's numbers. Right now, we're the 28th, 20th ranked

defense, right? Okay, so we averaged about 370 yards we gave up. Yesterday, we gave up 420. That puts us dead last behind Cincinnati, who gives up an average of 14. Our rushing is 125 that we average as a 28th rank defense. We gave up to 17 yesterday, which puts us again dead last by Cincinnati who I believe gives up 155 yards a game now the passing game we did better so we average giving up about 244 we gave up what 219 20 that still puts us middle with you both I got a question with you is it more like you said winning is the first thing but at the same time it's the statistical the statistical part too so right you have to have the numbers that will

here's the problem. We didn't want to playoff that's what I'm saying. You said shit. You're telling the ship that I'm like damn that's kind of like I don't know if he's going to be able to go do that. If we can go like we're going to make what about make the playoffs I understand but if I'm not seeing these if I'm seeing these

numbers and we're winning and we don't get the chip then these numbers don't work because they're still dead last even if you look at the offense. Yeah. Aaron Rogers threw for what? What was it? Like 280 some?

285. Okay. He threw for 285 or something like that. Like, or was it one something? 284? He threw for 284. Okay. So with that being the case, that's far above our average. Are we going to be able to sustain that? Probably not.

Because Dallas is number one. And they only do 275. now again our average rushing is around 90 we only got 34 yesterday that puts us again dead last yards we were like 318 our average was a little above our average but again that still puts us metal to pack 17 18 and we're a 27th rank offense so if i'm sitting there where my owners had on and i want to be like okay i can measure significant changes from this point to that point this is not the changes that I'm going to go with and be like, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and keep moving from here.

Because even if we go and we get to, say, a FC championship game and we lose it, are you telling me we get there, we lost it, and now does that give me another eight years of not winning one? No. Like, it's either going to be a chip, the Super Bowl, win it, or I need to. to see drastic changes from point A and winning to point B of wherever that is. And if those numbers aren't, that's why you have goal sheets, that you have a measurable thing to say, oh, man, I know we lost, but dude, we did this, that, and this and that, and everything else.

We met all our goals. I'm with you. I feel like with this team and this defense and this. offense is so wishy-washy, and this is the main example of complementary football. Offense may not be the best run game or the best past game, but they need to be able to play consistently good. You know what I'm saying? Like nothing too crazy, but maybe D.K. Metcalf is going to be on.

You know what I'm saying? Maybe game well or Warren to be able to get off in the run game in a certain game, but maybe we'll have a lot more run yards in the game or past yards, but just sufficiency, making sure the offense runs sufficient on defense. this game we didn't give up a lot of pass yards but we gave up 200 some run yards but like we didn't bend but don't break they didn't score in the red zone

we just need to be a little more consistent of not giving up big swings of 200 rushing yards and 115 passing just trying to keep all that stuff consistently low right and that's what I'm saying if I'm looking at it and I'm going and I'm gonna say I'm keeping this coach

because from point A to point B I know we were a 28th ranked defense but from these last five or six games, we played as a number three, four. You need to see significant improvement. Like, I need to see significant improvement. Otherwise, we're sitting here and we waiting,

and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting the different result. And we're not, we're doing the same thing, and we're getting the same results. Respect. Respect. But you know what? It's easy coming off a win sometimes.

Like you said, when it's, hey, it's easier to hide. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's easier to hide, dude. You know, winning hides a lot of things. Thousand percent. Losing shows everything, too. It shows the minute things that don't even matter that people start talking about,

this, that, no, that really don't matter. It may matter to y'all. Y'all may think it matter, but to us as players, it don't. And that's what it's coming down to. We won. Well, if we sit back and look at it. that, yeah, we won, but would we have won if, you know, situation A, B, C didn't happen? Hell, we got, we just talk right now.

We got three plays in there that we thought if it went all the way, you know, we would have lost our mind. You know, so, you know, that's, like I said, for me, it would come down to what those numbers look like at the end. And if they aren't drastically different, I got, I got it, I got a new one. Unless, again, you get a chip. If you get a chip, I don't care what your numbers are. You found a way. Well, so let's go over here and see what the Browns done dead. Oh, my goodness.

It says the Browns last, 31. You ain't. What? Did you see the game, Deepo? I didn't, I didn't, I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I didn't watch it. I ain't go lie to you.

I don't know how a quarterback. back, you know, goes and makes history and, you know, throws for 300 plus, you know, three touchdowns, a rushing touchdown. And no one's done that since, you know, 1950 in the history of the Browns. But I think, I think y'all ended up, well, I know, yeah, y'all ended up losing that game, I see. Let's go ahead, run through it, Debo. Oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Let's just run through it.

I'm, like I said, you tell me about it. I ain't really pay no much attention to it. Yes, you did. I think on the kickoff somebody. Yeah, he did. Start it all great. Go ahead, Debo. You do it.

Please. Go ahead. I want to give my side remarks. Because we ran it off the kickoff. They got the ball already. I think it was our special teams. That came from the universe told me it was 41-yard kickoff. Yeah, he did.

41-yard kickoff and turn, Debo. And I think the first thing that kind of messed me up a little bit, that Brown's defense, we just kind of, we gave him a head start when we showed. shit enough. You know, they got a, they ended up scoring a touchdown on the first drive of the game. They did. They marched the ball down there. That's crazy. That was very, very unexpected. I don't know how. Was, was Ward like throwing the ball on yours? Ward was throwing a little bit. Um, yeah. Hmm. Hmm. They scored a touchdown though. They scored a touchdown. They They scored a touchdown.

How did they score the touchdown? Our play action, it was a man-to-man. My man, Denzel wore great eyes, but it was an over-rout war-created time in the pocket and threw it to him. So I'm not really as mad at Ward. It was just tough that they was able to march the ball all the way down the field on us. When they did catch the long third down, they completed on this, we had a man-to-man coverage, and they called a great play, great screen call from the safety.

He was too far away. They put two blockers on himself. they was able to get down their score seven all right you're trying to soften the blow of the loss i know but this one that's was just yeah that was a good play called they got down there it's nothing right hey what the brown's doing they got the ball huh i heard it was like a three and out i don't know i could be wrong so yeah we end up and then the titans got the titans got the ball back and i heard of some powell powell power power Pollard.

Yeah, Pollard started running on this very, very crazy. But the Steeler slash Brown, my man, young Devin Bush, does exactly what he needs to do on third down, falls underneath the slant, gets a pick, runs it back all the way to the 40-yard line. So that's where the defense, you know what I'm saying, does what they needed to do. Get right back in it. Don't act crazy, guys. Do what you need.

We need you guys here. You know what I'm saying? What the Browns do with that? So we get the ball, and we only end up getting a field goal. Okay, so at least you got points. But this is what we got it from the 40-yard line. Somehow, I'm respecting. I'm loving it, but we got to end up trying to get touchdowns right there.

I understand. I feel it. I hear you. I hear the Titans get the ball back. And that man, Pollard went. That man, 2006, USC, Reggie Bush on our ass and took the jury 65 yards on the first play. He got the cutting back on my men.

And the receivers, though, with blocking down fields. But, yeah, that was, it was like a, like a flashing line. I couldn't believe it. 14. The defense is so good. But, like, right there, we gave him a 14-point head start. I'm not expecting them to go down and score on us like this. So it's 14-3, Debo.

Before- 14, 3, and I am perplexed because I'm not expecting to be like this. Like, not 14 off the rip, but he did it. So now this is when I'm like, all right, guys, offense, Shador. All right, we played at the beginning, we got the little field goal, all right, all right. I'm ready. Debo's ready. It's time.

So my man gets to join, screamed into Juckins. Uh-huh. Juckins gets missing up the sideline, tip-toe, tip-toe up the sideline, almost scores. Blade of grass. Lay the grass. Blade of grass. Get up to the sideline, great, great move by him. So then we get it to third down.

And Chador puts the ball in a bucket, in a bucket to Joku. Like, great defense, great everything, but you can't beat a perfect ball. Good defense, better ball, better pass, better throw, better catch. Okay, 14.10. Dot. T.D. Mr. Shador. Thank you. We needed that. Yeah. Brown. Step back out there. Defense. All right, guys. We already gave a 14. Don't trip. Relax. Relax. We are who we are. Three and out. But that's when I say, Ward missed that third down. He had a wide open receiver on the over. I'm not going to say, look, long foul ball, Debo.

That's what we call it. You know what I'm saying? If you didn't watch the game. Hey, no harm, no five. So, yeah, punt that. I thought you was going to say three and out. I was going to tell you the universe was talking to me about something. But anyway, go ahead.

Okay. Browns get back out there. What did they do? You get back out there. My man tries to muff the, he muffs to punt a little bit. I don't know why he did that. Okay. We get it first in 10.

He hits Judy on the overrout, 13 yards, smooth. Then we get Juck. Okay, what we got. What did you end up doing, man? Y'all, did y'all get any points out that? No, we didn't. No, we didn't. No, we didn't.

We got it to fourth and two, and we got it to fourth and two. The boys ain't getting no points out. We had that fourth and two, and we ran a hard count, and we punted the ball, all right? And then, that's what we did. Y'all thought they was go jump. Y'all thought they was go jump. We knew they wasn't going to jump. I don't know what we was doing.

I thought we was going to go for because we had a little energy going. But, you know, should do it. Wow, scramble, the intentional grounding joint. That was crazy. Yeah, he wild out. So Longsworth's going to end up punting that. Defense gets back out there. Right.

What do we do again? Three and out, okay? Punt. Swessinger in the passing lanes. You know what I'm saying? Do it what we're supposed to do. Then, Browns get the ball back. Okay?

First and ten, Shador scrambles A little incomplete to Judy But the next, then, second to 10 Shadur Hits Judy on the money He gets that nice inside release Kind of runs like a little slant, dig-ish You know what I'm saying?

Hit them right on the money Takes it 40 yards for a touchdown. We go up, Debo. I think that one might have been closer to 60. Might have been closer to 60 yards? 60 yards. It was a big one. That's all I know.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Chedur had a scramble before that, too, though, but I ain't watching. I ain't tripping. I'm just trying to get the one man through that TD pass to take us to the lead. 14 to 7. Y'all up. What the defense do when they come out, Joe?

You know exactly what we did. Miles Gary gets his 20th sack, okay? And they punt the rock. And they punt the rock again. So then we get the ball, check down. He only got one? He only got one? He only got one.

You got 20 sacks, Debo. I'm just saying he only got one of the stage. So Browns get the ball back, check down half time. At halftime, brown's up, 17 to 14. And we get the ball first, okay? I mean, y'all got like a nice couple plays, you know. But then you had the punt. Yeah, we got a couple first down.

And then y'all trade three in outs. Yes, a bunch of three and outs. I do y'all trade three in outs with the Titans. It's the titans. You're supposed to be the Browns. Okay? And then you get out there on second to 20 and Shadot, do some Shado, that ain't Shadur.

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Hey, Tennessee got the ball. Hey, what happened? Who that man name is? Y'all put some respect on his name. Hollard. Two plays later, he just gets missing again. He's missing again, Debo. Takes the lead.

They up 2117. And that's points. Points all turnovers. All right. What we do? What y'all do? We punt it. Jeffrey Simmons, blowing up the whole line.

Y'all went out there and made them punt. And then y'all got the ball back in with you. We coughed it. up. We coughed it up. Where was it at? On the 7-yard line, they ran it back to the 7-yard line. All right. They get the ball. Hey, what Tennessee do with the ball, Joe? A touchdown, man-man. The man-de-man beat it.

Hey, man, keep your hat on, man. Is it getting hot over that? You're stressing me out. So we're down 20-28-17. Hey, y'all get back out there. Y'all go to punt the ball. What happened, Joe? I ain't watching. We get it blocked. Oh, Lord. Joe, what Tennessee do with that? Oh, God. got a field goal they got a field goal they got a field goal we stopped me we tried to put out

the fire so that was 31 to 17 it started getting bad fast all right then we get the ball back we get down there we go down to school should do you don't get down there to school okay should dirt we did 31 23 why do we go for the two point conversion right then hey i don't know right then right then we need to kick the field goal right there we just we're going to get back and we're going to kick the field goal what are you doing kick the field goal because we're going to be down by 7th so we're not chasing point no question why we have to be chasing no all right boom defense gets back we get another we get around okay browns get the ball back yes we get let's go all the way down there a dot yes to fanning let's go touchdowns your door rises all right down there we get it up

we get down yes and we go for the two and I'm not mad at Juckins He faked, he faked a little play. Shador and his press conference after the game said, they said, did play work? Obviously, when they ran the play and practice, it probably worked. It worked. Judkins, I love him. He just had a brain malfunction.

He got the toe, and he was running over there to, like, act like he was really going to run, but you act like you had it for too long and ran right by the man you was supposed to do. So that's on him. I'm not knocking Jenkins, but just for the play call situation. My thing is this. All your two-point conversion plays are some type of trickery. So people are waiting for it. All I know is, there's a lot of trickery.

They've done it before they started doing it with Dylan Gabriel when they were in London. So I've seen them run the Wildcat before. But nobody threw for 365 yards and led two drives down there, like really passing the ball. I want it in his hand to finish the game. Yeah, I'm giving them my opportunity. You know what I'm saying? You got to. It just.

the y'all hey what y'all lose by we lost by we lost by two points we lost my two points that's just the first

one kick the field goal kick the field goal I don't know why like that that one almost pisses me off more because I've seen him do the dumb stuff before when he took out this is what I'm talking about Joe I love I don't love but I love

of it. I don't feel this passion, this anger, when it's the other way. We, let me tell you why, Debo, because we won the game. Right now, my boys are mathematically eliminated. So, it's just a little different vibe.

Right now, on this side, still as me and my dog, we're worried about trying to win a division still. On this side, I'm trying to figure out why things keep malfunctioning the way that they do. I don't know. So, it's the Browns, man. Come on. Stop it.

Listen. The Browns got issues, man. The defense went out there and sold. The defense sold, the special team sold. I also said himself that they sold out for the past and didn't respect the run. That came out of his mouth himself. Who said that? Pollard went on head and got 161 on you. Two tutties. Y'all gave up 184 Russian. Turned the ball over. Y'all didn't hold them to field goals. They scored touchdowns. can't stop the run. The only thing they did good was actually run the ball. And you don't put all your emphasis into doing that.

So you can then pin your ears back and be able to pass Rustin once your offense gets up and they have to pass the ball. So they allowed them to do the one thing they could actually do decent and didn't that. Dude, Coach LaBow would be like, yo, they can run the ball. Listen, we know that he can't pass or he has issues with passing. We're going to make them beat us passing the ball. You're not going to be able to piss a drop. dude, you know.

Shador played well, minus the interception. Play very good, dude. 365 yards, three tudies, one rushing. Phenoid got 114. Judy actually got him three for 76. Like, but they had no run game. They had no run game. Special teams always selling.

They're giving up big returns left and right. You know, like that's just, that's just what it is. I don't even know. Y'all might want to get rid of your coordinator or something. Hell, with Steelers, that's the only thing I would keep right now is the special teams coach. Like, I'm keeping Danny Smith ain't going nowhere. No question.

But for me, Debo, it was really, like you said, too, like defense, they, I'm not knocking them, but you have to say what happened in the game. Our defense right there sold. Our run defense. We couldn't have, we shouldn't, Tony Powell should not be running for 165 yards on us. Those big plays when he scores, touchdown,

that's not okay. On the offensive side, Shador, though, you played a great game. The little things I would say is the pick and just the retreating, you know what I'm saying, spinning out of the pocket. You're a little slow. When it comes to your spin out,

they're going to hit you when you do that. You know what I'm saying? That slow is a little, I can see it coming from a mile away. So just your little slow on the rolling out of the pocket and the interception. Besides that, my brother, I love the way you keep your eyes downfield.

I love the way you're throwing the ball to the receivers. You're hitting. We do for 365, three touchdown. You're really out there doing your thing. Hey, 1950. This is his third start overall. So when I see all of this. Hey, Dylan, I ain't going to lie to you, man.

Sit back and. When I tell you this, too, Chador de Jure, his first star, he threw 20 passes, second star, he threw for 25, and this one he threw for 42 passes. He threw for 42 passes and 364 yards. My man, Dylan Gabriel, and his second star versus Stillers,

do for 52 times for 221 yards. You know what I'm saying? I'm loving just the thing that we know, there's chances down the field. He's throwing some checkdowns. A lot of his incompletions were him throwing the ball away. I'll take that any day. You know what I'm saying?

I'd have more throwing the ball away instead of just waiting back there trying to create more and throw a pick when we're doing good. Just don't turn the ball over the offense Samson when he fumbled it. You know what I'm saying? Those two things are just keep those away and we could still mess around.

And we could with our defense giving up that type of, with that type of performance. So I'm, it's positive for me looking at the offensive side of the ball. We've been always fighting for the Browns to score 17 damn points. You know what I'm saying? That was 29 on some chill. Like, and nobody's acting like just three touchdowns passing,

one touchdown running, 365 yards. I was entertained. You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't throw the ball. Oh, I understand, Ben. So I understand. That's how I feel about it. Yeah.

And, you know, it was all the good news. was in the north. Cincinnati went on out there and blew a 10-point lead in the fourth quarter. They are up, what was it, 28 to 18 with just under nine minutes left in the fourth quarter. They let Josh Allen go 40 yards for the TD. And then that dude was in Bedford, 47. That man been balling. He makes a great play.

I didn't like him last week. Yeah, we love him now. He makes a great play, dude, and goes 63, dude, for the return for the touchdown. And then the very next drive, Burrell, is intercepted again. They get another touchdown from that. They up 11, 21 unanswered out of nowhere. They end up scoring a touchdown later, but it was just too late. Like I said, things are going real good for us over here.

You know, in the, we go on, things ain't going too good, though, for Kansas City when we get down. The Kansas City end up losing to the Texans, man. They got, I guess they got decisions to make, you know, when it's coming around, when it come down to it. I think they just don't got to a point to where it's too many, for me, it's too many mistakes. Like, if it drops, you know, you can't overcome, you know, the things that they had to overcome before. like especially when your receivers dropping the ball tip picks all that other stuff um i'm not getting rid of my homes that's what i'm just going to have to get me there players around it and plus you're playing against the texans you know that's man that's a good defense you know what i'm saying

but at the same time i'm my homes is that's going to nowhere reading where you got it you got you got to get you got to get some people around them that's that's going to be able to secure a lot of these things. And then, again, like, I think the defense has to, you know, be able to do more. What do you think? Are you talking about with the Bengals? No, I'm talking about Kansas. Oh, yeah.

My bad. Patrick Mahomes, he ain't going nowhere, coach. Like you said, he's going to, he signed a 10-year deal probably five years ago. They're just going to keep reining up Patrick Mahomes. Long as he's healthy, he's not going nowhere. I think it's like you said, too, they're dropping the ball. it looks like a lot of like not discipline because you were able to get away with stuff

by out-talented people just having better players but if you're dropping the ball just not making your assignments tip picks you know what I'm saying like that's not a way that you're going to be able to succeed to succeed so I don't think it's fault

I just think that they need to kind of just sharpen it down everybody has to pay attention to the little details because you're just you're not able you're not just better just than everybody else like you were just with Tyree Kill a couple years ago Travis Kelsey.

You know what I'm saying? Just dudes out. I can just beat you one-on-one. Now it's more you got to catch the ball. You got to be in your assignment. You got to be running things on time. Like, you need to be there and catch the ball. And there's, you know what I'm saying?

So just not doing the simple things routinely. They were just so used to patching my home is going to get us out of the situation where he still can sometimes. He still can. They just got to hold on to it. If they had a rock, you know what I'm saying? They had all year, I think, in that a bunch of different situation. And you can't do that against a defense like, you know,

a defense like use. that's not that's not that's not that's not going to happen i say this though like you said my homes ain't going nowhere my homie no no no you're going to fix something that's everybody something else going to have to change speaking of quarterbacks we lost one uh the coach daniel jones looks like he suffered an achilles injury in the loss to uh jackson to uh the jaguars that was non-contact too all that girl was sad yeah non-contact you saw how pissed he was man i felt Oh, no question. I felt that.

Yeah, I feel all that. Be praying for him, you know, hopefully fast recovery, but he's going to be done for this year. Now, Joe, you know what time it is, baby. KFA, presented by Pride. All right, Joe. All right, Joe. Here's how it works.

I made my line up for my picks for the nice Monday in the game, brother. You either play my lineup or you faded and you tell me why. Now look here. I got Sequine. I got him moe on receiving yards.

This is why I got him mo. Now, L.A. defense, they three over all. So they're going to actually put a lot of pressure on this man because they're number four in actual sacks per pass. So I think he's going to have to dump off himself to say Quine so he can go ahead and extend drives and get first sounds.

I also think that with that same thing, Jalen is going to have to run and use his legs to create eight more first times. The flip side, Vidal, he's going to get more. they're only 24th in Russian, I believe. And that's not about the yards. You know? And, hey, I'm going to just go on head and get McCunky because I just like saying McConkey's name. And, yo, he got to be able to get more than 52.

I just feel like they're going to be able to scheme ways to get him open. He's actually been doing a lot. He actually did too much against us. But anyway, you know. This whole, I'm playing this whole sheet, Debo. I don't even have zero weights. Hey, man, he's going to play your voice whole sheet, man. Tell everybody about it.

Play Debo whole sheet, man. Look at this, man. He knows. Download the app today. He knows something. Debo knows something. He called Debo Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. Look here, baby.

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She says, Joe, my guy really, but okay, I get it. I love everything. I love everything did Sanders. I love everything Sanders did. Basically is what she's saying yesterday, except that short bus coach. Hey, hey, she's talking about, she's talking about you. talking about your guy, Stefansky, man. She's like everything he did, but except for

Stefansky. She said she loved everything that she do or did yesterday, except that short bus coach. She's saying that your coach, he'd be on the short bus. Man, see, I'm not going to say the man's on the short bus. Covenant, we got to be nicer, okay? Not the short bus, but you know what?

He does maybe need to be fired. You know, I think Shador is going to be the quarterback for the future. I don't know if he really believes in Shador. He said that he gave up play calling, but then at the same time, he says, I call, I know where I call everything and do everything. So I don't know. Yeah, I'm glad we're with Shador there too. I just want him to move a little bit quicker now and not do that spin out, that slow spin out. You know what I'm saying?

Kind of step up, throw the ball away a little bit more. And that's, that's it. I mean, 365. Five, three touchdowns, one rushing. I love it. Mm-hmm. Hey, Covenant Light donated 50 and said, Baby Jesus' cousin, A.A. Ron through two.

Joey Porter, please stop giving the other team's free yards. That's all I'm going to say about it. That's because Senior will come for me with the little, white stuff in the corner of his mouth. You're trying to say, my guy. My God. He's going to be mad. He's going to be fuming coming out.

She said, remember Jesse James. Jesse James called it. And Peasy, little Peasy, man. He's bawling out there, Joey Porter. He just had the little. Just a little crazy. Just a little bit. And he just had a little grab low.

But now in the league, they don't let you. They used to let us. they used to teach us when they're coming down. You could go low. Just get a little. It just depends. It's really dependent, especially if you're somebody,

like he's somebody that's getting looked at it. So it's not like he's going to get the liberties of being able to get away with that and them not see it. They're looking. Like, you know, that's like when I was getting fine for hitting. Oh, they're looking for sure. If any part of my helmet, touch any part of their helmet.

The receiver coaches, the receiver coaches are talking to the ref and receivers before the game, man. Watch 24, man. He'd be grabbing. That's what they're trying to say. They're trying to just put eyes on you. So I'm like, don't leave me, let that be a thing. You got good feet, JP.

You got great feet, Joey. You know what I'm saying? Just keep using them. We got another one from Iraq, Afghanistan vet, donated $20 and said, Debo, I got to say, my bad for parking, that white car like that when you were getting your boy's hair. I feel like a POS for that. My bad. Hey, man, I really appreciate that, man.

so here this is what happened man i was going to get i was i was i was in uh i was in newcastle i was going to get my boy's haircut and it was a guy he's a vet and he was parked in um like halfway in between like the handicapped spot and the actual walkway so when i come in i'm like hey who the asshole that parked at the uh what's the name right and he go me why i go i said i said know, me personally, I wanted to, like, pop, and I'm like, nope, I'm not going to pop because I'm not. I said, well, I see you got a handicap, like, sticker on the back of your car or was on this tag.

I said, and you go and you actually block the handicap ramp access, I said, that's a real piece of shit right there, if you ask me, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I'm saying? But that's what ended up happening. So that's what this is from. I'm like, yeah, you seem like a real good guy, you know what I'm saying? You go and block. You got, you handicapped, you know, you got handicapped access on yourself on your place.

You lock in the handicapped ramp to access it because you want to park your car right there so you could walk in as close as possible. I'm like, yeah, that's real thought for you. Get his head, Debo. Get them. No, hey, man, I appreciate that, though, man. You know, it ain't no big to do. I'm glad you, I'm glad you saw that you could have did something a little better. Hey, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.

Please hit the like and subscribe button. We'll see you back here tomorrow. Joe. Thank you guys for joining them in and Tebow and Joe, man. It's been a great time. That's what I said. You sound like I said Tebow. I said Tebow.

You said Tebow, boy. I said Debo. Debo. Debo. It ain't Tebow. I like Tebow. Shout out Debo, man. See us tomorrow, man.

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