Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Steelers Playoff Worries? Will Browns Draft Another QB? + Harbaugh's future uncertain

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as react to the biggest football news ahead of the 2025 NFL playoffs where they discuss the Pittsburgh Steelers matchup vs. the Houston Texans, the Cleveland Browns QB situation with rookie Shedeur Sanders, John Harbaugh's future in Baltimore, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Deebo Respond to Butta09:45 - Exec throws shade to Steelers25:15 - Browns GM not committed to QB31:00 - Texas Tech QB NIL Deal36:48 - Will John Harbaugh Return to Ravens?38:35 - Tua wants out of Miami?43:17 - Russell Wilson Undisclosed Injury49:14 - Play or Fade presented by PrizePicks (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Debo, another great day, another beautiful day to be on the pod talking to my good man. Yes, sir, yes, sir, Joe. I'm feeling real good, man. You know, I still got me a little cigar, you know, I'm still walking around, still talking with my hands, you know what I'm saying? We don't play till Monday, so we get an extra day. This is what I'm doing on my extra day, you know what I'm saying? I'm taking this celebrating a little bit longer, you know, enjoying myself, you know? So that's what you do.

That's what you do when you get hats and T-shirts. Victory Tuesday now, baby, you know what I'm saying? Had some T-shirts. That's what I got a bubble. I have my hat for you. I have my hat for you next time we get back on here. Okay, okay. I have my hat for y'all next time I get back on here.

But I'm coming to the game, too. I'm going to be there Monday. Okay. Okay. Let's go. I'm in a bit of a bit of a bit. In matter of fact, why you go be there? You know what else?

We're going to have two sets of two tickets. to the playoff games as we go and slap around the Houston, Texans. But this is what I want you to understand is that, you know, when you're in a position that we're in, you get a lot of hate. And, you know, when you're kings of the north, you don't listen to the peasants, you know. When you are, your majesty, Joseph Walter Hayden III. Yes, full government. And I am, Your Majesty James Henry Harrison, Jr. Come on.

That sounds like, that sounds like you need a crowd. You don't listen to the opinions of peasants such as this gentleman, butter. Butter has something to say, man. Butter has something to say, man. Look at that. We got the clip. Look at it. Look at it.

When that boy named me is over there, he always running the. My butter, butter, hey, butter, where you're at, butter? Look here, man, if you ain't come here to talk stiller football, you come here to complain and do all that. Look here, baby. It's a thin line between love and baby. I mean, I really believe that I think that Ravens is one of the few birds that you can shoot all year ago.

I could be wrong, but when you are stiller, that's all we do. We hungry. I watched brothers this morning. I know he was sick. His reaction, he didn't even say anything. He said nothing. Everybody, you don't need to say nothing, baby. Okay.

Get it. Listen, listen, listen. Go ahead. Listen. Listen, listen. Listen, listen, me. Get it out why you can. Listen, I don't care.

You got one more week. Y'all got one more week, bro. I'm not even, we're not even about to go over from vacation yet. We're going to wait for y'all. We're going to wait for y'all to lose and then we're going to gas up the pace and come pick y'all up. Texas. Let's get the state. Let's not even play with you.

with them. You see, because I can't, I can't, I ain't got time to hear this all, you what I'm saying, all the playoffs in, in the season. I ain't got trying to hear all this. So let's see, T. Strong is lock it in. Somebody get me, somebody get me sketch. So I got to talk the sketch so he can ride the troops. I got the game plan. I never did go do. They go hand the ball off. They go through a screen. They go throw that join up to see to the tiny end. They go, they, they can come back. They ain't gonna use DK, right? They ain't gonna use DK as a decoy

throw that middle of the Austin for the deep ball. I tell you. Oh, he's taking no phone. I can't, listen, I ain't got the capacity to deal with this right here. For my goodness. Yeah. Y'all need to put it out there to close or something.

I know them like the back of my hand, bro. I'll lock for you up before I lot to you. Debo and Joe, y'all, y'all should not be in that playoff spot. Y'all do that. Wow. Okay. All right. Wait till next year.

Wait till next year. Make sure y'all here next year. Grow on cooking. Because the things that we got to do when are awesome about to be astronomical. Yep. In Cancun. Yo.

Yo, I ain't go, listen, listen, I ain't go lie to you, Joe. I was actually kind of, I was actually kind of worried about it because I, like you, I had, I saw the video and I didn't see no reaction, you know. And I ain't want him, you know, to go and do nothing foolish in the time that, you know, he was, he was grieving and mourning, you know, over the loss of his football team, you know, for a game that he already knew the ratbirds was go lose.

He knew the result, but I love his passion. Hey, look here, man. I just got tired of hearing and seeing, you know, he had all this little disciples, little ratbird fans running over to my page, you know, putting things on there, running their mouth being disrespectful. And when you're disrespectful, this is what you get. You get taught respect. You get dealt with.

Joe, Joe, Joe, what is Lamar's record now against the Pittsburgh Steelers? I mean, it's not too successful. What is it? Three in Shabbin now? Three and Nate, something like that. That's the regular season. Who? He got an X-1. Listen, that's last year.

We're talking about right now. You understand? But here to go to a crazy thing, man. What's a crazy thing? How of a sudden he doesn't turn it to like he's sounding like he a Houston, Texan fan right now? Let me tell you. Look, Debo, he's a legitimate, that's the thing. He's a legit Ravens fan, and that's why I rock with him.

He ain't a Ravens fan. still a hater and it's a bunch of them out here. The enemy and my enemy is my friend. Yes. Yes. Yes. We lose. Joe, we lose. I'm hoping don't nobody win the show. Don't nobody else win. I'm hoping they have a tie for the next

nine months straight. We've had a season rolling around and they've got to stop and start over. But, yeah, yes, yes. But if, so if the, if the rat birds was in it, you wouldn't want them to lose? It ain't about wanting them to lose I know they go lose They is what they is

They always have been And they always will be The big games come And they drop a knee They cop a squat Lay an egg It's been years and years He know this

Why is he sitting here doing this And then you got some unknown random NFL Exactly talking about TJ, Cam and Rogers they just about shot anonymous exec told the athletic he said rogers at 42 cam hayward at 36 and t j harley making plays except when the ball lands in his belly like he did sunday these three guys are just about shot i think houston chokes them out that's a hater that's a hater put your name

on it NFL exact anonymous bro anonymous that's what anonymous people do they're just going to say you can say whatever, because then you could hide behind Anonymous. I just threw it out there. You're going to tell me, Cam Hayward at 36, I don't care what you're talking about. He looked like the best de-tackle in the league. He looked like he was 26 years old. Prime Cam. What are we talking about?

You know what I'm saying? TJ came back, pick. You know what I'm saying? He's got sex. He's got a punctured lung still out there hooping. Running plays down. That's a hater in my eyes. A-Rod throwing them dots.

That's a hater in my eyes, Debo. It's true. Dude, it's a 100% hater. That's all it is. That's all it's ever go be. Now, look here, I played the game. You played the game. We know.

Father time catches up to all of us. Nobody can be undeniable. Aaron and Cam, of course, they're getting close to the end. And yes, they're getting older. But as you get older, you get wiser into the season. You realize what you need to do. to make sure that that end of the season, you're feeling as fresh as you do at the beginning of the season.

So that your body is right. You reload each week, and that's what you're seeing right now with Aaron Rogers and Cam. The more time Aaron Rogers gets to teach and build rapport with that offense and his receivers, the better they are getting. They spend time at this man's house doing film study on the off day, That's the most time I've ever seen.

Okay? And a couple of other times during the week that they are there after practice getting it together. Mm-hmm. You think Cam is not reloading. You know Cam's reloading. That dude takes everything. Every week trying to make sure and making sure he's doing it.

You see it with the performance. He's reloading. You see that? Ravens. Down goes, down goes Ravens. Dude, when I play, when I play, bro, I did my recovery for my body, especially like I, it doubled, triple. Like, hell, on a normal week, when the season would first start, dude, I see my chiropractor maybe once or twice a week. You know, I'm a doctor twice.

Oh. Get a massage twice. Acupuncture. Once a week. And then, you know, dry needle and whatever I need. it. When I got into the later seasons, that would increase, especially as I got older. My last year, 2017, well, 2016, that's the last year I really played, and I didn't really play in 17, but dude, I was seeing my chiropractor three times a week. I was seeing my doctor four times a week.

Then I had massage four days a week, acupuncture twice a week, and dry needling every week. I was getting treatment five out of six days sometimes during the week. And some days I was getting treatment as I was leading the hotel to go to the game. Yeah. So whoever you have to. So whoever this is like that's saying this, yo, old and slow all that other stuff, yo, you're tripping, bro. That's hate.

That's hate. And you know what's so crazy is would let me know it was hate. he talking about the choke you out that's hate choke you out and y'all want to talk about t j uh t j ain't got nothing left dude that's crazy again people he don't have the numbers i see that but what you don't realize is that he is impacting the game just by being on the field when you go back dude and you look at his numbers like he he was hurting what 22 he got hurting 22, 23, he came back and did it. 24, he was still doing it.

Now, in 24, he was getting double-team. I think pro football focus had it at like 14%, right? Yeah. But they added a new stat that was there, and it was called a chip rate or something like that. He was being chipped at the third highest percentage in the NFL. And with that happening, he still came away with 11.5. Now, you forward to this year, earlier in the year, they had him at a 66% double-team rate.

Okay? And when you do that, it allows your other rushers one-on-one opportunities to go in there and make the plays. Yes. You can say all that you want to say, all you got to do is look and see how much more effort they've done put into trying to stop one man. Mm-hmm. The tape don't lie. Coach, I'm hating. See, that's all it is, Debo.

And I just am not a fan of the, when NFL execs, they hide behind. If you're an NFL exec and you're going to put something out there, this is like, right. I want to be anonymous. I want to put it out there. I want to put my name on it. Put your name on it. Say something. That's probably why you shouldn't even be an exec.

There, because you weak. You don't, yeah, I don't get it. I don't like that. Weirdos. NFL exec. If that's the case, you want to put your name on it, don't say nothing. Mm-hmm. I understand.

Hell, Butter put his name on. That's what I love, and that's why he's getting all the smoke. He'll get all the smoke. All the smoke. Joe, I ain't going to like it, though. I guess, I feel, I feel so good, you know. It's just, man, come on, whoa, you know what it is. It's that playoff vibes.

Is that what it is, right? That's exactly what it is. And we're going to go. Yes, brother. Yes. We'll be in the building. I'm going to do the same. Debo, I ain't going to lie to you.

I'm getting tired of you. You keep on giving stuff away, and I'm normally the one of them to get stuff. I'm going to give away two tickets to the game, to the playoff game. Okay, so we got three sets of two tickets. We got three sets of two tickets that's going to the game. So it's going to be jumping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to go ahead and get involved.

I need to go ahead and get involved. Listen, you all know what y'all, y'all know what you got to do, man. you know what you got to do follow joe myself debo and joe debo and joe we will put that up probably tomorrow friday and let you or sometime later during the show and let y'all know exactly where to go i believe you go to the debo and joe instagram you can sign up there make sure you get all the information in there you need so you can be one of the lucky three to go see us get our first playoff win Come on, man. 2016.

On top of that, they are like, yo, let's put this on Monday night. You know why they put this on Monday night, Joe. Because you know, because that's we, we don't, we don't, we do very well on Monday nights. We do very well on Monday night. And now for me to sit here and I'm like, yo, the NFL, this is, they want to see us win. They want us to succeed, huh? night football at home, at home, where we are 23 game winning streak strong, Joe. Uh-huh.

Joe, like I told you before, Joe, the last time we lost the game on Monday night at home, Joe, you was, you were sitting down shitting in your diapers, man. You know? How long ago was it? 1991 oh my goodness I was putting on myself yes you was Joe listen

oh Joe that's wicked oh yeah I was I was almost a grown man in 901 I always had I was all I had three kids I had no you did not have three kids in 91 Debo

I was I'm just trying to get you to understand I had a lot of, I had a lot more responsibilities than you. No, for sure. I was too. I was trying to get, I was just on both feet. I was trying to figure it out.

And, you know, it's okay. Let's get it, though. That's all. You know, when Coach T on the Monday night, when are we going to be in the building? It got to get turned. Yeah.

Listen, man. It's the reason they called me Mr. Monday night, man. That was, that was my tag. That's why they called me Mr. Monday night, because they know at home, When the lights is on, it's Monday night. They ain't even called me, Debo. They said, that's, they said, it's Mr. Monday night.

That's all they said. No, you got a hoot. The best nicknames you get is the ones you get from everybody else. I ain't never have one nickname that I made up, you feel? You ain't, you ain't give yourself that nickname. You know? You earned that. I earned it, man.

And this, you know what, man, it's really surprising to see that this is what the NFL wants. man, they want us to go out here and win this. I can see because they put this there. You know, they putting us there. 23 straight, baby. They want to see 24. We're going to keep. Hold up.

I'm tripping. I'm tripping. They could be hating. They could be hoping that this is the downfall. Debo, don't do that. Don't do that. This is what they hope. I want to let them know that they ain't putting us on there

because they like us. I already know Roger hate to steal us. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's time. And maybe, nope. This is an opportunity they think

that they have to go ahead and be like, well, we're going to go and put them on the time. No, no, no. They're praying for our downfall so they can see the record broken so that they can see

that the NFL player. We'll show where we got to see... No, you go get to see history made again. We need to use the reverse psychology, Debo. If that's the case, they tried to put us on the last game, last night to not make the playoffs. Got them out the way. Get out of our business. They thought, oh, they got them all, Derek Henry.

They're going to run over you the whole game. Y'all are going to lose. Got two for a loop. Okay? And now, Houston, Texas, they got the craziest defense. Now, no disrespect. That's what I'm not going to do on this cast. It's respect that D-Line.

So what we need to do is head swivel. You know what I'm saying? We're going to come in there with respect. We're going to get to that, man. But this is disrespectful right here, man. You know what they're doing? They're trying to play the ears against the middle. You're going to do them again.

We're going to show them again. We're going to show them again in front of everybody. And you know what, when I think about it, so you don't know. Go back. I'm going to go back. I'm going to tell a little story. So when I was getting fine, when we was all getting fined over there in 2019. 2009, when they started that player initiative thing, that safety thing, they said it was the safety thing.

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It starts with giving your mind and your spirit the same attention you give your goals. Hey, everybody, it's Michelle Williams, host of checking in on the Black Effect Podcast Network. And on my podcast, we talk mental health, healing, growth, and everything you need to step into your next season, whole and in podcast. Howard. New year, real you. Listen to checking in with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We were playing the game, and early in the game, dude, we had got like files called that wasn't files, like hits that wasn't, you know, wasn't illegal hits.

Okay. So it was like right after like a commercial break or something, I don't remember what it was going on but one of the players that was playing for us i'm not going to say who it is okay he's on the sideline and you know how the ref stand on the sideline over there so the ref is standing there so he called a ref or he was like yo man come on man that wasn't a foul the ref turns and says we're told to call everything that's even questionable on the stillers and he realized he said the quiet part out loud and just walked away, dude.

It was crazy. And he was like, whoa, whoa, hey, what, what? And he just walked away. Yes, you know, they're humans. I hope that's not the case. We haven't been doing anything crazy on defense this year. So they don't know. No, no, I'm just saying.

I'm just trying to get you to understand the same man in the position that was starting at a NIST trying to make an example, trying to make me to post a, board for a little hits and everything else you are the same person in position right now that made this game where it's at you all right okay all right you all right okay we're gonna keep an eye out definitely got to keep an eye out we make sure that houston don't try to you know what I'm saying that I ain't worried about Houston man I ain't where we we get to that man that that'll

be what it's gonna be man okay okay you know we do we do it's go paying itself out I ain't worried about it, man. We, we're where we need to be. We at where we need to be. And all these other people that are sitting on the sideline, wishing and hoping and praying on the downfall and want us to go to Cancun with them and all that. Y'all going to have to wait. Y'all go have to wait. Season ain't over with. We get done in San Francisco. See, look, whole time, we got people. We look, buddy, he worried about us. He's delaying his flight. Go to Cancun. What's you sitting at the crib? Yeah. What's you waiting for? You're off. If you can go chill? you could be watching and sad every time we win from some good weather, you know, you know.

Not a bad place to watch playoff games in Cancun, not going on. And now you think about, they're talking about they going to do something astronomical in the offseason and all this. Is your coach still going to even want to coach there after what y'all done did, is only, is you go even have Lamar. Lamar is a hard, hard cap hit come next year. Oh, but see, deep, I hate what you. So that's your astronomical may be that you lose. When we start talking about Devo, don't... You funny.

Don't say cap hit when we talk about Lamar Jackson. 75%, that's all irrelevant. We could change that number, make it guarantee, make it a sign of bonus. Get that man his money now. They're still going to hit the cap. What they go do? What they go do? The defense, they need help over there.

Them boys can't sack nobody to say their life. Brother said himself. He can drop down there and go out there and get warm. No, for sure. But the offensive players, they're not bad. They got, they, I'm not rude to him. I hope, Debo, I hope they don't figure it out. I hope they get rid of John Harbow and give them to,

and give them to the land. I'd be happy. I'd be geeked. Set him free. Set him free. Let him fly. Let him have his way. Then y'all will, then they will be, then they'll be really bad.

You know what I'm saying? That won't be good. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of setting free, the Brown's GM, Andrew Barry, I guess y'all boys, after y'all fired Stefanski, let old Stefanski go, Barry said, when I asked about who is starting quarterback would be, he said, we're going to do, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market. It is too important a position, and it's something that has to be solidified.

I can't sit here and tell you today, rather the starter in 2026, is internal or external, something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks. Quite honestly, the new coach will also have a lot of input into that as well. How do you feel about him not saying Shador is the starter? I respect it. As a GM, he came out and said something. The one thing I do like is my man, Andrew Barry, he likes Shador Sanders. He really wanted him to be there.

You can see, like, even in the preseason when he talks to him, He wants Shador to be successful, and I think that he knows Shador can be successful. So I'm excited about that. Having the new coach that comes in, I want him to also be in on, in on Shador and on when you're looking for, we don't know that he's the main thing. So you always have your eyes open. You're always trying to figure out if you can get the franchise. If Joe Burroughs looking crazy over there, we can get a franchise quarterback in Cleveland, that would be great. But having Deshaun Watson in the locker room that he's guaranteed, he's making $46 million a year next year, fully guaranteed this is going to be his last year on this guaranteed money.

Have him, you have Shador, you have Dillon Gabriel. You have two quarterbacks that are making peanuts that are on their rookie contracts that are going to be there. I think Shadoor is going to be the backup or the starter, but having Watkins there that you're paying $46 million regardless. You're not going to get rid of him. You can't trade him. He's been injured. now he's had a whole offseason to get healthy. This is going to be his last year there.

You have Shador. So now the quarterback position, I think, is more filled. When you're looking at him always trying to figure out the next, what's the best thing, it's not answered yet. So him saying this is a thousand percent. I love it. But I do like that. I know that he likes Shador, and the next quarterback, I mean, the next coach that comes in

needs to be a Shador fan and kind of believe in him and want to be able to work with him and not be like, no, I'm, I'm out. I'm out. So I think that him saying that is good. With Andrew Barry, I like him as a GM because I think his last draft class was good. The Brown's team isn't a bad team overall. Defense, solid. We have some players like Devin Bush.

You know what I'm saying? We need to re-sign him. Us getting Tyson Campbell in the trade for Newsom. I love Newsom. That's my man. Tyson Gamble is a baller. That was a great pick. We have Denzel Ward.

We have Everson Griffin coming back. He got hurt early on in the season before the year started. So we got a lot of great defensive players. We need to re-sign some offense alignment. We need to figure out what's going on with my good man, Hall of Famer, Joe Pentonio, and then Wyatt Teller, we need to figure out with him. So offensive line, receivers, bond is good. You know what I'm saying?

So we need that. And then looking into create our draft picks. We have 10 draft picks, two in the first round. We need to get offensive line and wide receiver. You know what I'm saying? If it doesn't work out, we can go get quarterback later on, figure something next year. Because I think this year with those three that we have, we look solid. So I like Andrew Barry.

I think we have a lot of picks. We got a lot of stuff that we can work on. And I think with him going into the draft and being able to finagle the salary cap, he's a good way in of giving dudes guaranteed money, a lot of restructures are going to need to be done to the people that are going to be able to stay there so we can get somebody else. But I think he's a good GM. I think he's going to be able to get talent there. And I think that's going to help us out, bro.

Yeah, yeah. I don't disagree with it, you know, what he said, you know, especially because I don't, I don't think he did, you know, anything that would have solidified his position as being the starting quarterback, especially when you look at it comparatively to, you know, what the quarterbacks, you know, did that he took over for. So I'm not upset with it. I'm cool with it. He's not making a predetermined decision.

And like you said, they got a lot of money over there in the quarterback room. And it's on a person that only got a one deal, one year deal left. So my thing is, though, what if they go, they give him the chance he win it? And now he go out there, watch he go out there and he actually ball out. Now, do you pay him again? No. Okay. I mean

I I I thought 4,000 he got he got he got he got he got he got he got 35 he got 35 40 touchdown if he goes out there five picks six picks this one telling you it's still it's not

it's not going to be another 230 you know what I'm saying like we're going to have to definitely give me something because we I don't know it's going to be it's not going to be another crazy astronomical deal like that if he goes and balls out knowing you're saying you owe back pay oh for show

For show, if I'm the Browns, I gave you $2.30 to the good. And I didn't get, I didn't, the ROI is not looking like what it's supposed to be. No question. You know what I'm saying? So, that's a heck no. Yeah, speaking of that, I guess the quarterback over there at Texas Tech's, I guess he signed reportedly a $5 million deal with the Red Raiders in the transfer portal. They said, watch the door is set to make 4.7.

six million across his rookie deal you find a problem with that i don't find a problem with it um i think if you go if they can pay him that money i can't be mad at the at the young boy being able to make that money you know what i'm saying like the NFL they started to change like the the rookie the rookie scales if you was a first round pick the firm won overall my man ward is making four years, 48 million, fully guaranteed. You know what I'm saying? Twelve million dollars a year coming out of college. So the number one, if you're that guy and your thing is you want to get to the league, Ward is making $12 million a year, four years fully guaranteed. And if you want to be that real guy, your job is to get that second contract. Like all that, like, you're going

be in college making that, it's great, three for 15 at the most. Not saying that's not no money, but when we're saying if you want to be a professional and this is what you're going to do for your livelihood. We got Tua made a five-year, $230 million contract. You know what I'm saying? So he got 167 guarantee. So when we're talking about making it to the league switching, if you can make that in college, make it. I'm not, I can't be mad at you at all. Do it. But long term, if you want to be great, like, don't just like, if you're in a comfortable position where they're giving you $4 million a year, I don't know if you want to switch your whole team and do that stuff because when you get to the league, you get comfortable,

you start. You want to be the best you can be. Obviously. optimize making your money but getting come being in this position where you're making a good amount of money comfortable balling and then like hopping around is it really worth it so making the money i'm never against them making as much money as they can but just my picture is when you're doing it in college hopping around i understand this bread when you get to the league you're going to get your rookie deal you're trying to are you trying to be the best you can be like it's i don't even know how to really explain like what is enough like you're going to be good regardless, but...

I ain't tripping, bro. Being in the situation. The door was in a position that he was in last year or whatever it was in Colorado, okay? I ain't mad and nobody making money. I ain't mad. I ain't tripping on the quarterback, having more money. I'm not tripping on none of that. I would do the same thing.

Oh. Cedora got to do the same thing when he was in Colorado. If you want to look at something, look at the NFL and the collecting bargaining agreement that the NFLPA puts in place and see why they allow what they allow. Like, you a guy like this right here and you're getting that money, like, what's going to motivate me to go to the next level if I know I ain't going to be the first pick on the first day. Like, yeah, I'm going to stay in college a little longer. I could get this bread. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you may, or we may miss out on an opportunity as the NFL on a player that could have came and did something great, but say they end up staying too long, get hurt, whatever it may be, and, you know, not get that opportunity to come in at full speed because they're like, yo, I'm going to be able to make more sitting right here than I am going and signing a, you know, a rookie deal as a third, you know, third, fourth round pick. Uh-huh. No, I hear you, a thousand percent. It's just to, like, are they, I mean, if you, if your NFL is making so much paper right now, Drew, you've got to buy up almost $1,000 in subscriptions to see every NFL game this year. For sure, for sure. They stream in, they got every service, like, thought of that it's a game here, a game there, and they're selling out to the highest bidder. Whoever get the highest, you get this. If you want the whole lump sum, it's $50 billion.

Ain't nobody got it. So they keep taking a B from here. or a couple Bs from there, some Bs from here, some Bs from there. Next thing you know, they probably got 15, 20 Bs sitting there every year, you know? So, it's the same, like, when you look at it, too, when you look at college football, when you look at these players, like, how many dudes on that team are making this much money? You got probably two, like, a quarterback is making $5 million, but, like, that's on the NFL team. You got one dude making, quarterbacks making $50 million.

Right, but they also have to stay under a cap. that the NFL bargains with the collective bargaining agreement with the CBA with the NFLPA like the NFLPA need to fight for more like baseball has I don't know 50 billion games dude and the end up they're on cap like still make yes they're on cap and the NFL like still like they got 100 games basketball got 90 80 something games like dude and we the NFL supposedly still makes more than any two of those combined like Like, you're telling me you ain't got no money to spread? No, no, for sure.

But then that goes to the only two. The NFLPA is failing the players. They have been, especially for the last 10, 12 years, whatever that 15-year time frame is, since D. Smith got in place and was out. Like, they need to get this together before this next CBA, or else it's not going to look good as far as the potential of getting, you know, players to come out at the opportune time. because it ain't no rules over there right now in college football, man. You got some roster's got 20, 25 million on the board.

And this is for a university that, what, ain't they tax free or certain tax exempt or something? Like, I don't know what's going on. Oh, no, man. The NFL got a whole bunch of money. They sit in there holding on to that they could spread a lot more out and be able to give these guys better pay, especially like they make it money hand over fist. No, for sure, for show. Now, let's hit over there with the Ravens, man. You think John Harbaugh, he'd come back?

Because this is going to be his opportunity. This is going to be his choice. I don't think they fire him. I don't see them ever firing him, especially. No. What do you think? I think he got two years left on his deal, and I don't think they should fire him. I think that would be a bad idea.

Just his long, him not being able. able to win the big game at the end, you know what I'm saying? Like, obviously, you want to win the Super Bowl. Every year teams come into the lead, they want to win the Super Bowl. But who you're going to get for him? Like, I like his, what he's been doing there. And I don't think that they have really, I mean, him and Lamar Jackson, I think Lamar Jackson, if he still wants him there too, I don't see them being LaVreal, like, not, I don't see

them not getting along. So I think that they'll be cool. Yeah, I don't think he's going to where. I don't think they should move anywhere either. I mean, you was right there. You just had to face us at the end. I mean, that's the donny task for anybody to have to deal with, you know, especially the ratbirds, you know.

And end of the day, bro, we laughing at them so much, but they were a missed 44-yard field-goat attempt from being in the joint. So it's like, Joe, I don't care about that. I told you already. I told you, you see, God is a still a fan, man. And I told you that you seen the water spread off. Did you see the John 316 in the end zone? Went off.

You understand? Y'all believe that. Listen, I'm just telling you, that's what I'm feeling in my heart. That's what I'm feeling in my heart, man. Now, that boy, too, over there, he said he opened to a fresh start. He said, it would be dope. He said, I would be good with it. That would be dope.

I would be good with it, he said. I said, yo. Yes. He said that to the people. Like, that would be dope. That would be, that would be, that would be, that would be, that would be, yes, of course he was going to say that, Debo, what you think? Yes, it would be dope.

You just got benched from your squad, you know what I'm saying? They're still owing money, though. You know wherever you go, whatever what happens, you're going to get guaranteed. You got bread owed to you, no matter what, 67. So you got like 50 this year and 17 next, no matter what. fresh start going somewhere wherever I go. I'm going to get this dough so yes, I'm saying

the same exact thing and I was benched here. But who's going to take it? I don't know, but if I'm Tua, I'm saying the same damn thing. Fresh start, yep. Wherever y'all want, whatever, wherever. And I'm going wherever. He wants to be a starter, whatever.

But if he goes to a team that already has a quarterback, you're on a bench making your bread until they figure it out. So if I'm Tua, I'm saying exactly what he said. Yep, I'm down for a fresh start. Y'all keep me here. What are you going to do? My stuff is guaranteed.

I got 67 coming to me. They must have mismanaged him. For sure. Like, you got to, like, right now, he has all the cards. Two are sitting there, like, who's going to take him? I don't know. That's on the Dolphins to find out. They got to figure out somebody to take me for this brand.

You really believe they mismanaging? No, mismanaged him? No, I think they, I think if you're going to have... Think he could have been better than what he was, is what you're saying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, I'm just checking them. No, no, no, no. I'm saying putting him in the position to where he's sitting there with $67 million

and he can do whatever he wants, that's where I'm saying, that that's mismanaged. They mismanaged. Yeah, I got you. I got you now. Okay. On that part, that's what I'm saying. I see what we're at. Yeah, yeah, boom.

Two is up. So that's mismanaged, however you want to look at it. He did good for them. They got the best out of him. But now he's sitting there 067 million. mismanaged. Ain't nobody picking that up. Come on, brother.

Ain't nobody picking that up. Y'all might as well go on head and get, get ready to add that to the cap. The dead money. Y'all, y'all stuck, man. This, this worst in marriage. You know what I'm saying? All stuck.

Hey, ain't there's no worse than that, baby. Look, yeah. Come on. Y'all go on here. You got to have to hold on to that boy. I don't know if it's the starter or not, but he's going to have to be there because I just can't let you go away

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what he's got to do. But like Deshaun Watson, he's there. He's not being a problem. He's trying to get better. He hurt itself. You know what I'm saying? Oh, the bread. He's not a lot of Yeah, but why would you say that would be dope if they let me go. A fresh start would be great. Like you're saying, oh, I don't want to be here. Like, because they benched you, that's what they come down to. They sat in the last three games. Because they benched them. And then the first start, because obviously right now, I was a starter. I guess, you know what? I wasn't thinking about the guarantee. Yeah, I'm going to say what I want to. I need a fresh start for sure

Devo No matter what So now it's No matter what And I could double up If I get you to hold on See I'm gonna get you to hold on To me to the season start

Then I'm gonna try and double up after I'm gonna have to happen You know And then your boy over there I don't know why to hear it co still there I mean I listen to this press conference dude and I just get confused Yeah I think he's

Maybe that's the first start of neat Because I'm listening to him I don't know what he'd be talking Like Huh? He goes from one subject to the next, and I don't know what he'd be talking about. Like, it don't be a break. It's like I was brushing my teeth ate salad last night to the store.

What? It's real, it's a little jumpy, man. It's a little jumpy. A little jumpy. A little all over the place. Yo. Do you coach like that? No, that's, I would, he never coached me.

He was the offense. He was on all, he was the wide receiver coach when I was in Cleveland. So I ain't never. Y'all receivers, how was they performing? Was they confused? Man, we had, that was when John Johnny was out there, the quarterback, we had Miles Austin.

It was a little, I mean, yeah, it was a little confusing. Okay. Yeah. Now, look, look. That's my man, Miles. It might have been, yeah. Come on.

Come on. You got Russ and though. Russ got something out there. Pop that up. Can y'all throw that up there? Let's see what Russ said, man. Russ got something on his heart. Russ got, well, he ended up,

I guess, saying, um, he said the giants he said not the giants fought they didn't know because i didn't tell him i didn't tell anyone because of the circumstances i just had to play through it and try and go out there and ball thought thought we were going to win that wild crazy game i guess he's referring to a game that he went out there and played with a great too and didn't and didn't tell anybody how you how you feel about that joe about him saying that or or how do you feel about a guy doing that. How do you feel, Debo?

So for me, I... I... So the big thing they're trying to get into, though, is they're talking about, you know, the Giants did something wrong. He's like, no, they didn't do nothing wrong because I didn't tell them about it, okay? And I think that's cool because the Giants didn't know, and he just said they didn't know, so it's no rules or anything broke there. And I don't think with the, with the NFL understands.

is that depending on your circumstance, as he said, you may or may not, you know, try and battle through it and not tell no one. As sometimes in the situations where you have the option to not play and not playing is better for you because right now the position you're in versus you plain hurt and not telling anyone you know it could cause your situation to change because they're thinking you're 100 but you're not so they're judging you without a curve

and now like maybe that puts you in jeopardy later you know what I'm saying but if you're in a position that you can still tell them I'm hurt and go play like, yeah, go ahead and do it because you're secure at whatever position that is. I know when I played, I tried to keep any injury, nagging little injury thing that would, anything that would cause me to be on the injury report, like, I don't care what it is. I'm not missing practice because I don't want the opposite opponent knowing, like, I got this issue and them trying to go after it.

So for any reason, like, I don't care what it is. I'm trying to practice. I don't want to go on the report as did not practice, blah, blah, blah, because of this injury and that injury. So my injury that I have does not totally stop me from being able to practice, I'm not telling you, yeah, I'm going to take care of it, I'm going to get it treated, I'm going to do all that, but I ain't letting you, what are you icing for, recovery? Yeah.

you know? No, no, for sure. I feel this one. I think something, when I was looking at it, was he, you think he's trying to protect, is he trying to just not let the team know that he has an injury because he's just going to handle it and he's going to still go out there and perform?

I think what this ended up having to come out because the Giants, I guess, somehow the NFL found out that this has happened. So he had to publicly basically come out and be like, no, they didn't do anything illegal. they didn't know. Okay, okay. I didn't tell them.

Okay. So that's how all this ended up, you know, coming out. Okay. Yeah. I think so, like you said, it's different situations. I know some players, like, depending on their contract status. Like, they made to be like, man, look, if I let them know that I'm hurt, they might not play me. They try to think I'm hurting.

I might get waived. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, I'm going to hand with myself. I'm going to go out there. I'm perfectly fine. And chance it to be out there, like, no, I'm going to go out to join. And if they know, if they know, that you hurt a little bit. Sometimes, like, if you're a player, I mean, get out there on the

injury, and it's not great on the curve because when you're out there, they're expecting you to play. Right. They're expecting you to play. But at the same time, if you don't play to that level that you know, and they're used to seeing you play, they're like, okay, he played good, but he ain't played like he played. Well, they know this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I said, depending on your situation, whether that is, I got somebody behind me, I ain't playing well. I'm on the last year. I'm on year two. I'm on year one. one, whatever that is, you're going to take the chance of either not telling or you're going to tell and play.

That was the same thing. Like old school, back in the day, dudes would get to get them concussions. And just get back up, like, no, I'm good. I didn't feel nothing because they're like, no, I don't want to lose my spot. Somebody else would come in there. I'm straight. But when you could still be out there legitimately loopy. Right.

Right. But even back then, though, they weren't really looking for that, dude. No, no, for sure. For sure. I went to sleep in my rookie year. your boy, on a, I smacked me a tight end on the crosser. I thought I laid him down. They come out there like, hey, you good with something?

Like, what's y'all doing out here? I'm good. Why? Lay yourself down. Yeah. Man, listen. Back in the game, the next, the next, like, it was, what, three or four plays later? Hey, what's the day?

Sunday. You know what it is. Like, I'm a win. If I say Sunday, I got a good chance. Now you, now you're tossing up in the air. Now you talk about Sunday. They got a Thursday or Saturday or a month. You know, like, hell.

Yeah, it could be any day right now the way they're looking at it, bro. Back in the day, anytime you woke up, Sunday. Sunday, yes, good. Good, good, good, real good, real good. Joe. You know what time it is? Yes, sir.

It's time for play or fade, presented by prize picks. All right, Joe. So we're going to do our player fad a little different today. All right. I don't watch much college football because, you know, Kent State. It's not like I had a lot to. Yeah, yeah.

Y'all ain't in the playoffs. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, my bad. That's aggressive. That was aggressive. Oh, that's real aggressive, bruh. Gator is not in the playoffs season. Gate is not in the playoffs season.

Yeah. I mean, we was, like, we won, what, six games over the last three seasons, bro, and five of those games was last year, bro. I mean, you know, at least we headed in the right direction, though, you know what I'm saying? Okay, I know, I can respect it. And on top of that, we beat, we beat Akron. Now, you know, that's our rival. So we took the wagon wheel back.

They know what it is. Okay, okay. So this is what we got, man. The staff, dude, they made a lineup for both of us to either play or fail. okay okay all right you know better than i do but let's see let's see what they uh what they pick man so right here they got your boy my aunt running back like him to school yes you like i like i like him yes yes yes yes yes yes flesh you got mark fletcher yes i got fletcher okay you got trinidad what is it chamblis yes man you got trinidad hey bro he came from the dirt too

Yes, he's going to get it too. He came from the dirt. He's going to get it too. Okay. But I see, okay. Now, we got, we got Charlie Becker. I'm not too hip to Charlie Becker. Hey, man, Indiana been doing real big things.

The quarterback is the one that's supposed to be going number one, the Hizman trophy, buddy. Who you think throwing to him? It got to be, got, it got to him. Charlie, who you think he's throwing to? He's throwing it to Charlottie. It's got to be more. This college ball. They're going up against Oregon, too, man.

Okay. I know. Okay, okay, okay. Oregon quarterback. See, that's what I'm saying. I need to. What about, what about Dante? What you got on more?

That's what I'm trying to see. More or less. You got more or less on more. I'm thinking, I'm thinking more. That's Oregon. That's what I was thinking. That's Oregon. I don't know.

That's organ. I'm thinking he's going more than pet it. Hey. And they're moving fast. It's a lot of plays. Hey, hey, look, this is a staff pick, but I, I don't, I don't know. Right now, right now I'm feeling fatable a little bit. That's what I'm saying.

It's college. I'm feeling real fatable. I'm feeling real fatable. Yeah, I don't, you know what, man. Because I want to start getting my wins all the way up. I'm going to have to fade this one, man. I don't know, man. Indiana, they broke something off.

Wasn't that old state? They broke off like that? For show, 38 to 3. This one I'm telling you. I'm not mad at none of this. I'm going down. You're going to play? I got to play that one.

Okay. That made me nervous. I just thought about that. Just what I'm saying. If you're going to play it, I'm not going to let you play it by yourself and you be hitting me talking about something. Look, Joe, I don't told you and that you won. So I'm going to play it too.

what is that Elijah Surret Elijah Surret Yep Serrette something like that I believe in anybody on this thing that has an over on Indiana Okay if it says up and it says Indiana I'm more more more more

More you more on that I'm more I'm more More on Indiana So all you got to do is score one touch I don't even know what a half of a touchdown is That means he has to score one Because if you score a gun What if he's running and he do a lateral

to somebody, do they get a half? Nope. They get three quarter. Nope. Nope. Nope. No. Yeah, man. Anything on them boys over there in Indiana's school, I got to go, Mo.

I got to go Mo. I got to go Mo. Like. So let's just. And listen, I ain't going to lie to you. What's up? On the Dante Moore, I'm kind of going with it just because. Indiana defense, they strap O State crazy.

When I think about the Ohio State only had three. points so that I'm over here talking like they could know something yeah yeah turned to that he got he got to get him one it's all making sense it's all making sense got to get him one we got running the rock over there in Miami so let's he got to get him one yes in the old miss quarter listen here man we go play what's all got right here man please like we ain't you know we ain't tripping Because after we sit back and we really think about it, hey, we play all that. Look here, man. Make sure y'all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get $50 in lineups

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We ain't got no. We ain't got no snaps. We ain't got nobody to talk to over there. They got no super. Man, we ain't got no super chat. They ain't even help your boy out on here. That's all right, though. They're in the chat.

I can see them in the chat. Where they at? Where they at? We got one. We got McHale Randall, $10. Mm-hmm. What's good? McCall.

He says, Debo, can you keep it real? What do you think about these disrespectful Raven fans? That is a good question. Do you know what I think? What do you think, Debo? Keep it real. I think jealousy and if it run deep. Run deep.

When they want what they can't have, when they want what you got, they do anything to steal it and steal your joy over it. They ain't nothing. They ain't never go be nothing. They rat bird. They vermin. You can go ahead and hunt them

because they boosts to the environment 24-7, 365. That's about the rat birds. That's honesty. That's your honest opinion. That's how you really feel, Debo. I'm still smoking on a cigar on a Tuesday. God.

When rings? Two. Oh, Lord. See those behind me. Them boy, love that rat, rat, rat birds. Rat, rat, rat, rat, rat. It's so savage. Rat, spell it straight out, rat birds.

I see you right there coming to life. I see them rat birds. Look here now, we want to thank y'all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Oh, my God. Hold up. What is that right there? I see somebody. Depot, you are her land.

That's McCall again. He donated another $2. He's from Baltimore. I'm from Baltimore. I love him. That's crazy. Be more. Be more.

Be more. Be more. You can be more. Yeah. Or PG. Yeah. That's crazy. Get out of here.

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