Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Lamar & Ravens DOMINATE Dolphins, Colts-Steelers PREVIEW, Shedeur UPDATE

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football where Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens defeated Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins. Later, discuss the rumors surround the Philadelphia Eagles interest in trading for Myles Garrett, Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders cryptic comments, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones attention being pulled away from team, and breakdown the biggest matchups heading into Week 9 of the 2025 NFL season! 00:00 - Intro03:30 - Ravens beat Dolphins21:00 - Shedeur sends cryptic message22:27 - Good idea to trade Myles Garrett?31:20 - Steelers vs Colts preview39:25 - Travis Hunter placed on IR41:00 - Jerry Jones not focused on Cowboys50:00 - Deebo's Halloween fears (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? Doing good, Debo. Doing good. Good Friday. I saw some good football yesterday. Oh, yeah. And then I went.

This morning, my kids had a little play at school. So both of my boys, man, was so good. So I'm feeling good this morning. Not going to lie. No question. I want to get off the top of the morning. I want to tell my son, Henry, he is a Halloween, baby. I want to tell you happy 16th birthday.

Happy birthday, Henry. Love you. Wouldn't be who I am without you. You saved my life, you and you, brother. I appreciate everything that y'all do for me. And everything that I do for y'all is just what's supposed to be done, baby. Come on, man. I love that, Deepo.

Let's get into this, let's get into this Ravens' Dolphins game. Ravens went out there, man, and they put a little something on them. I ain't go lie, man. The first quarter, I was thinking, like, you know, maybe, maybe the, you know, maybe the Dolphins got a chance, you know. They started off. They had a little short field. They got the ball in midfield with the kickoff.

and then he hit Waddle 20 yards on the first play. You know what's so crazy, man. You get the ball midfield now and you get a good chunk play. You're in field goal range already. Oh, once you cross the 50 range, as soon as you cross the 50 field goal range, when I was playing with the 35, you were trying to protect the 35.

Now, soon as you cross half, then they got three. Yeah, for sure. Baltimore, you know, they're able to hold up after that and they hold them to three. They kick a field goal. They get three points. and then, you know, Baltimore comes out there. And Lamar, he had like a little bad throw.

I think that's the only bad throw you had on that third down, the low and outside. So they got to do doing a basically, you know, a three and out. And, you know, after you have a few weeks off, you know, that's what happens. You know what I'm saying? They punt the ball. Miami gets it back. And, dude, they started.

This when they started, this is like when bad teams do. You know? I don't, I don't. Yes, it is. But they still, this, you know, the second play, they got, they got the fumble force, you know, they're ripping at the ball, all that. And understandable, but you still got to be able to hold on to that. They give up the ball right there. And I believe it was in their own territory. What was it? Inside the 20. Oh, yeah, for sure. Inside the 20, Baltimore gets the ball. Of course, they go for it on fourth down. And he throws a touchdown to Mark Andrews. And now, you know, it doesn't, it them flipped upside down. That was a good deal to play. No, I wasn't, I wasn't saying that was what bad teams doing that play. That was a good defense effort. That dude, he ripped the ball out.

They were forced tackling, so that was a good play by the Ravens defense. They played a lot better in that game for show. You know what I noticed, though, like, as soon as Miami got the ball, the first play, O'Doo hit 19, it was like they first played. It was like moving it, you know what I'm saying? It was like the first. And then I think later on in that same drive, they got a, you know, they got one for like about 22 or something. That was the two big plays

in that dry. And they go for it on fourth down, fourth and one. And again, like you were saying, this is when I was saying what bad teams do. You get the false start and you're getting a little momentum. You're making plays like you're thinking that we can get another store. Let's get some points

on the board. And you get a false start which throws you all the way off. And then even to make even more worse, you missed the you missed the field goal. No, they made that one. Oh, made that one? I think that was the one they made. No, they made the first one.

They made the first one. He missed this one. So I'm saying like, yeah, because it could have been. You know, it could have been six, seven, you know. It could have been. And then they missed the field goal. So that's where I, Coach had every right there. McDaniels was pissed.

Oh, yeah. It's the first time I've seen something out of him. You know what I'm saying? That was real. I was like, okay. And the other thing was the play calling, too, was looking pretty good. I was loving how they were doing the run passes. The tour was doing that like fake handoff.

There was a lot of bang eights. There was a lot of, like, posts right behind people's heads. Like, soon as you fake something, he's throwing all the time. So they were doing, they were hitting plays, but they weren't able to capitalize and get any points. Yeah, and Baltimore get back out there. And we hadn't heard from likely, but on that third down, dude, he went on ahead. End of the first quarter hitting for what was, about 35? Mm-hmm.

Something like that. Yep, up the sideline. No question. A few plays later, Mark Andrews, that man show up again. 20 yard touchdown how do you run into it that play how do you run into each other as deep ease and you're not you're not looking ahead of you like ain't nobody's so it's that's what I'm saying we used to call the joint it's saying no no it's called tailpipe you got to get directly behind your behind the tight end because if you're directly behind the tight end

if he don't hit it you won't hit it if you're on top of him at all they're they're trying to make you collide into each other and if you don't get directly behind the dude we do drills like deep but you got to like on the drag routes on those crosses if you don't get directly behind your uh guy you're going to run smack into somebody because that's what that's how that's how to play is set up to do it's so difficult you know what I'm saying so if you don't get directly behind them you're going to run bam just like they did right into each other so it's a technique that the dbs we always get taught that because rub routes all that if you don't get directly behind you guy and then come up then pop up on the other side you got to do that no question now

it was 143 Miami gets the ball back I think Tua, he ended up hitting Waddle, I think it was. It was for like 35, 40, something like that. But they called a tripping that wasn't a tripping, dude. Was not a tripping. He slipped. Did you see how pissed he was? Yes.

He has every right to be pissed because the coach is yelling at him. He's like, I didn't do that. I'm like, as a coach, how you don't look and see, he's telling you he didn't do that? How you don't look and look at the top of the thing and say, hey, like, hey, okay, I see it. he just takes off. You know why? Because everybody is under fire over there right now. You know what I'm saying? For sure. That's a huge momentum shift where they don't get that points. Now you add on top of it, you missed three the first time. So it could be six, seven. Now you can't get back ahead of the chains. You know what I'm saying? And that could have been a

potential touchdown. You know what I'm saying? No, for sure. Potential 10 points where it might have been 13, 14 after this, but they end up punting. Yeah, that's that right there is unfortunate because it's not the fault of the player. Like the Dolphins, they did what they had to do. That's just a terrible call. But he slipped. He wasn't trying to trip. He didn't even swing his feet to even try to.

He didn't even kick his leg up. You could tell when dudes are falling, they get that extra kick up. He's falling. He's just falling. And that's all it was. That's like a cup block, if anything. Like, I don't understand. Yeah, Baltimore get back out there.

The Dolphins stand up. They sack him on the first play. You know what I'm saying? And then I believe on the third down where dude wanted a flag, he gets an unsportsman-like kind of. The spazzle on the rough. That puts them back, you know, a little further. So they end up punting the ball. Miami comes and they get a good return, dude, to the 29.

Add on top of it, they had a holding penalty. Baltimore did. That's rare, which gave him an extra 10 yards, putting it. them at the 29, like, dude, and they cannot convert and get a touchdown. They go for a field goal, and it's 6 to 14. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Those, they're not being able to get any, like, real, you're in great field position.

And then missing field goals, getting out of field goal range, and then just not getting in touch. You're playing against Lamar Jackson. They're scoring points on the other side. You're not going to beat them with field goals. Yeah, and then the defense, they get, you know, well, Miami's defense get right back out there. They force the three and out. Miami get the ball back.

They started driving down the field. I think Tua hits Waddle for a nice third down complete. I think it was like for maybe 15 on the third down. Then it was another one later on a long way for about 25, 24, something like that. The runner back, he got something for about 15, 20 like that. They go for it on the fourth and two. They don't make it because it just. just looked like they had some type of miscommunication going on.

I don't, I don't know. And right then and there, I don't even know if I go for that on fourth and two. Like, you kick it. It's 9 to 14. You already, I mean, I understand he missed one, but you already had a missed opportunity here and there. You don't want to keep leaving potential, you know, points out there. Keep leaving with nothing.

Yeah. You got to leave here with something. Like, I got, yeah, like you said, I'm leaving here with something. Like, at some point, you got to leave there with something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then Baltimore, again, they go out there, and Miami's defense, they're able to hold up. Like, they're doing what they need to do, get you the opportunities to get the ball back.

And I believe that was when Tua got sacked to end the half. But at the same time, you know, when you look at it, the missed opportunity, the messed up call with the missed opportunity, the missed field goal, like, they could have. Like, they could actually mess around and had been up going into the halftime, dude. Like, when you really look at it, halftime, it could have been something totally different. I mean, Washington was only one of, what, six on third down, only had about 100 yards, 110 yards, something like that. But the big thing is, they was one-on-one in the red zone. You know what I'm saying? Dead.

Miami had double yards, like 225. the running back was doing them 12 for 67 another 5 for 35 receiving but they owe and two in the red zone bro yeah you know how that is the execution knows that red zone efficiency once you get down there getting points seven if you leave with nothing leave with zero you know what I'm saying like not getting three points and then you're playing against the ravens where they they're scoring touchdowns they're getting down there with Andrews they're marching the ball and they're getting points off of it. And, you know, and they're taking time off the clock. You're not going to have that many possessions in general. So you better use them wisely because they're scoring on

their possessions. They're taking clock off, they're taking time off the clock. And then when you get the rock back, you're looking nuts when you can't score. Yeah. And then the second half, Baltimore gets the ball back. They come out and, you know, they basically work their way down the field. Third down, Lamar scramble on them because they're playing, man, ain't nobody paying no attention. They can't see it. He gets 13. Like, when you look at that drive, I think he was, like, six, no, seven for seven. Like, ended it with a three-yard touchdown. It's 20, it's 20.

He didn't even miss, like, it's 21 to six now, off-rip. Miami gets back out there, and now the defense starting to show. The deep, deep, the, the, the, the, uh, the Ravens defense, kind of used to hearing about and seeing. So first play, they get a sack. Second, second play is, I think it was a negative run. And then, my man, Kyle Hamilton, all them boys, they was getting up in the line. Yeah. They punt the ball right, you know, right back off.

And I'm like, whoa, this is like, this is like Ravens defense that you've been, you know, you've become accustomed to seeing. Like, it's looking like that. Baltimore get the ball back. Four plays, bro. They go, they go, full play 60 yards. Just, oh, no, just under, just over two minutes. The Marlbussing, again, a hot two for two, 48, with one of them being the nine-yard touchdown, it's 28 to 6, and, you know, it's not, it's not looking good.

Yeah, it's ugly from there. It's ugly from there. Yeah, Miami, they come back out. Again, the first play, I don't know why, but they get like a nice game on the very first play. And then after that, Baltimore stood up, basically three and out, they end up, well, except for the little first, first time. They end up punting the ball And Baltimore get the rockback

You let Derek Henry peel one off For what? About 3540 Yeah, that's when they started Just giving it to him He was 3540 for show But they still stiffened up Like Miami's defense still stiffened up You know, they made them

They forced them to punt You know, so I believe Miami gets the ballback Into that third quarter They had that They had like a 28, 30-yard gain On that one And then they

get the um the completion by the running back that got reversed that's what it was he catched the ball for 22 he reviewed it said it wasn't said it wasn't a catch they end up going i think a couple downs of fourth downs they go for a fourth and one a fourth and eleven Miami actually converts which was like that was that was wild like and then they fumbled the right, dude. Baltimore recovers the thing, dude. And I think it's just over, what, 10, 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter. You're down, you know, 20, 28, 6, you know.

And from there, the defense, Miami's defense, they go out, they hold up. But, I mean, I'm really thinking it's too late. And Dan Tua lets me know that it's too late because he goes immediately, I think, on the second play second down and throws a pick. Yep. And from there, once Baltimore gets the ball back, they just, six minutes and some change, just hold the ball, run the clock out. Mm-hmm.

Like, ball game. Ball game, dude. Like, you don't want to know what happened? Like, what happened, Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson happened. Yes. That's what happened. Lamar Jackson happened. Yeah, yeah.

Lamar went, what, 18 to 23, 200, four-yard. both of these no quicks no question and then the defense stood up too yes Baltimore Ravens defense

finally second half dude was crazy like Baltimore just came out second half they went back to back tutties then the defense started playing more

like the defense that we used to see from Baltimore even if it was the first half bro like they gave up 225 and the game

only ended with Miami having I think 330 332 talking about about two quarters, they barely gave up just over 100 yards and some change. Yep. And even when we said, too, the bimba don't break.

Like, even when they did make plays, like, H.N. did get off. He would, Tua was hitting a lot of those bang posts, like for those big plays, the Waddle, 24-yard games, 17, 18-yard games. But they weren't getting any points. When they got down to the nitty gritty in the rare zone, either Miami messed it up or the Ravens did something where they got to stop and got the off the field. They covered it better. They covered it better in the second half.

have, they put more pressure on tour, you know, I think, I think that was the big, excuse me, that was, that was the big, uh, the big difference, but like Miami, you, you can't go 0 for 3 in the red zone, brother. No. You can't, like, just have missed opportunities like that, you know. You're able to gain a whole bunch of yards, but it don't matter if you can't put no points on the board. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, penalties, you know, well, with the one that wasn't a penalty. Well, that shouldn't have been a penalty. Like I said, that's a, you know, that's a big momentum, you know, turn.

No, for sure. And then, like I said, this was the first time that I've seen McDaniels show any kind of flare, anger of any sort, McDaniels, of any sort, like, yo, they got a lot of jobs on the line over there. What'd you think? No, for sure. Them dudes is definitely, they're fighting for their lives. And I'd really like to see at least McDaniels showing that he cares, you know what I'm saying, being genuine. And that's the time that the coach is supposed to spas. You know what I'm saying?

Pre-snap penalties, those are on us. Those are just straight discipline. You just didn't hear what was going on. And we're trying to make these plays. It's four-for-one. We're going for it. We need you to stay on size. So I was glad to see that that coach has some,

coach showing some passion and some emotion that it was trying to, like, that it meant something to him. Brother, breaking news from out of Shepner right now. Right now. Right now. ESPN sources. Miami Dolphins and General Manager. Chris, what's that name, Greer met this morning and mutually agreed to part ways.

Greer has been with the Miami Dolphs since 2000 and has served as the general manager since 2016. Well, that's why everybody was a little hot under the collar. It looks like we're about to go ahead and clean out, clean out everything over there. Yep. That's what it's looking like to me. Well, that's what it is. It ain't even another, it ain't even another look. It's happening in real time, Debo.

No question. For real, real time. Like, yeah, as we speak, brother, dude, hold on. Here come another one, man. No. Dauphin's senior personnel executive, executive, champ Kelly now will head the Dauphin's decision leading up to and past Tuesday's NFL trade deadline per sources.

Kelly is the new interim GM. They're about to make some moves, they're saying. I guess that's what it sounds like. Hey, that's why they was all going boo-cool on that sideline, baby. We got to win. Hey, we got to win or everybody going. Everybody's going. We all out of here.

Yep. Hey, man, speaking of winning, man, let's head on here to Cleveland. It's the door. Come on, what we're talking about? Hey, man, they said, they said he let out something a little cryptic. He said, I got to get ready, big ready. What you think that means, Joe? See, so it's by week, and he's not staying, and he's staying in Cleveland.

So I think it's not, it's just he got to get ready, big ready. He's the second string quarterback. He's making sure that he's getting his back right. He's locked in. He wants to get all the film study all of the time in there that he can get because if and, not if but when, but Dylan Gabriel is still a starting quarterback. He knows that, but it's not looking too good. and he knows from the out

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two weeks to get good film good price and if you don't ball out chador knows like your leash from the coach he can't say you no much longer you can't he can't show you too much long then it's going to be my time to get out there and i love the way he's just locked in he's not going nowhere for the by week he's trying to show the coaches and he knows that he knows that his time is coming up and he's not trying to do anything to interfere with the process. So I'm not seeing it being any bad way. He's saying he's just got to stay big ready. I 100% agree with you.

He's not saying that they don't told him something in the background that he's going to be this. No, he's like, yo, I can see the writing on the wall like everybody else can see. Like, why would I do anything that would give them or him, Stavansky, the opportunity to say, well, you didn't come here for this. No, uh-uh, uh-uh. And now you've got the Eagles showing interest in Miles Garrett, like, Joe, would that be a smart move for them to trade Miles Garrett? No, and especially to the Eagles, because end of the day, the Eagles, those first round picks that they talk about giving us, they're going to be within the end of the first round where you're not going to get a Miles Garrett. And at the end of the day, when you do have Miles, four years, 160, and he's giving you everything he's got to give you, he's not just, knowing that he wants to.

win but he's still performing at a high level every week five sacks last week you're going to get miles garrett's leadership you're going to get his production he's going to work like he's broke we see contracts coming out now where you know micha parsons making 46 million dollars a year we got other defensive ends making 45 million dollars a year it's not like that that 40 million a year is market you you're getting a steal as market value now you set the standard now that's what it is for what you got miles so it's not going down it's only going up so for us to be able to keep him at that number for the next three years and be able to be able to to have him, we can't, we're not going to get another miles with, uh, the 28th pick

in the first round of the next three drafts coming up. I don't think so. So just keep a miles there at this price point. And you got to figure some other ways to go build the team in roster. Because if you want to get a nice team, you don't get rid of your best player. I don't think it's a smart move for Cleveland to do that. But it is Cleveland. So I want to say this to you guys. Go ahead. Do not give them Miles Garrett, okay? If you do, I'm going to start a petition against you to try and get every last one of you guys fired. I don't give a damn if they give you 10 first round picks because you ain't go get nothing

for those first round picks for the next five, six, seven, eight years anyway, because you're going to put something over there in Philly that can't nobody do nothing with on a consistent basis, okay? Like, do not do that. And yes, this is selfish. This is very selfish of me. Because I do not want you to do anything, although it would help us in the division, and ain't going to help us in the long run.

Like, don't do it. I don't give a damn what you get. Don't do it. But it's Cleveland, so they might do it. I don't, I hope, I hope they don't do it. I don't think they're going to do it. But that's what good teams do. They're always trying to get better.

Like, the Eagles, all I'm saying is this just more, like, kudos to you. Like, I understand. You know, like, what kind of player he is. If he's flustered trying to get out of there, I would do the same thing they're doing. Like, just ask, see what's up over there. It sounds crazy. You can't even knock on my door. I got something called no trespassing.

If you step, I'm treating you like Texas. you step on my land, you will be shot. Don't come over here talking no, Miles Garrett, nothing like that, dude. Like, you got your money. Look, Detroit just gave Hutchinson, what, four-year, 80 million? Yes. What are you talking about? That's money, money.

That's what you're getting at that end, dude. They gave four-year. They're doing the right thing. They're getting these nice short contracts, you know what I'm saying? They're making sure that I'm giving you that money right there in your prime. You know what I'm saying? like so I can I can get the most out of it yes I mean you may end up you know when the time come if the coaches is smart or or whatever that may be or depending on how he moves you may end up

having to lose that guy a year or two before you know he's he's done being able to give you what you need like look at Tom Brady like it was a couple years before he go to you know he go over there to Tampa and he went another one but I think that was a move they were trying to make before the time you know got to a point to where where they thought they wouldn't be able to, you know, get anything for him. I don't know. So, and you know what, though? You know what?

It's something else that I like in Detroit. The old coordinator, what's his name, John, John Morton, said he's failed the receiver, Williams, you know? And I like it. This is the reason I like it, dude. Very few coaches will admit when they haven't done. done something supremely, or not even supremely, they haven't done something to the best of their abilities, a player that is still currently with them. Some people can look back on it and say, oh, yeah, you know, I could have did, da-da-da-da-da. But being near and actually having a

coach that's willing to do that, like, that's unreal. That's huge. That's huge. It's for a player, like, to, for them to stand up for you, you know what I'm saying? And especially to the media, for him his numbers not being what they are and it's not to his fault like an AJ Brown type like knowing that his receivers like his numbers aren't what they are but you got your coaches coming out there

speaking on your behalf saying man I got to do a better job of getting this ball it's not on him at all you know what I'm saying that's someone to plays like there's no reason why we can't get the ball to James Williams so having a coach like that

make you feel good for sure and then something else do that Detroit does I won't even say it's Detroit I'll say it's Dan Campbell. I think he does the right thing by putting people in the right position. And when I say that, I say hiring players that are actually players that played that position. When you look at a whole roster dude, like coaches, you hiring coaches that played the game,

that played the position that they're going to coach. Scotty Montgomery is the wide receivers coach. He was a right receiver. DeShay Townsend, my dude. He's the DB coach. He was a DB. You got Farley, O-Line. You have Shepard.

He's the D.C. He was a lineback. Hell, Mark Brunel, dude, is the quarterback coach, a quarterback. Like, even, you know, go to the running back coach choice. He was a running back. Like, they do that, and you can keep going and going and going. I mean, even with their, I believe, offensive and defensive assistants, dude, Brad Gorkowski is one of the offense assistants.

And you got Caleb Collins, he's one of the defense assistants, dude. Like, you do this. This is what a lot of people don't understand is you get automatic buy-in. You know what you got automatic buy-in for me is that Coach Bucz was my linebacker coach. Coach Butz played 10 years in the league. He played the position I'm playing. And when you get that, the buy-in is real because you played the position. You went through what I'm going through.

You understand the new. of it. And the things that you have to do that are, as they say, quote, not in my range of my position. You know what I'm saying? Like when I'm saying, I don't tackle. I don't know. That's part of what you have to do. So it doesn't matter because now I know he's done what I've done. He can tell me the things. You know what I'm saying? That I can I can I can I can get from him and then nuggets and know that you know what? He's not just feeding this to me because he said that this is what I got to do. No, for sure.

And you build coaches like that and you get coaches like that. Yes, give me, you're going to lose some of those guys. Like, that's, that's just, that's just what it happens. You know what I'm saying? And I understand, I understand it very well. And that's why Dan Campbell has such a fruitful coaching tree, dude, because that's part of his responsibility. Bring guys in and, and, and make more, you know.

Hell, go to the Bible, bro. Just as the, you know, people who have accepted their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, though, is supposed to spread the good news and bring more people. Jesus himself said, dude, what was it? Matthew 28, 19 through 20, go, therefore, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that have

all that have all that I have command you dude you got to be able and ready to make disciples like and he's doing that dude he he won what he's three seven years in

he already got a coaching tree like that is what three four head coach or something like that not to mention guys that have left and moved up from positional coach to coordinators like it's like that is that is that is what has to be, you know, that is what has to be done. That's just how it's done, dude.

Nope, for sure. And that's when you said, the coaching tree, but still is playing the coach, I'm on Sunday. Oh, yeah, dude. Like, it's... What's you thinking? What I'm thinking. What's you thinking, Debo? I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking we in hell of trouble. That's what I'm thinking. because, like I said, we have played trash. We are trash. We're, well, 30th ranked defense. We're trash, bro.

Right now, right, right now. And we're going to go up against somebody, like you said, been toting that rock like crazy, run it. Dude, it upsets me to even think about it. I don't want to, I'm just hoping, I'm hoping we just don't get embarrassed, bro. I believe this is the 20th reunion for the 2005 Super Bowl

Okay This is when everybody coming back Everybody coming back It's in Pittsburgh Everybody comes back Bro Please And you

Hey the one that we won in Detroit Up there in Detroit where Your boy He over there He built and he built in a legacy over there dude He's building a legacy over there. Yeah.

What? I'm not, I'm not optimistic about this game. I'll be 100% honest with you. I'm not. I don't see how we, I don't see how we can win given how we've played the whole season. I don't be there watching it, though. I feel like you being, you're speaking realistically right now. I think...

My heart will not let me say something foolish right now. Like, we're going to go and win and dog walk and da-da, no. No. I'm just hoping we don't get embarrassed. That's a damn shame. Yeah. As a stiller, as a organization, as a person that's played there for 14, 15 years, I'm hoping that we don't get embarrassed when it used to be,

hey, I'm waiting for us to go and get one of those AFC championship hats. Mm-hmm. Getting to the playoffs and be sitting there ready to play at home in the AFC championship game. Yeah, it's tough. It's a little... I'm hoping we don't get embarrassed and we actually...

I don't even know. You know why you say that, Debo? You know why I'm thinking about why you feel like this too? Because the embarrassing part is it's not like, you know, we can't, we're not worried about us being able to kind of, figure away to score points. We know we got A-Rod. We know offense is getting right.

We're getting other pieces. But it's just that we have all the players on defense and we're still right now ranked the worst. So just statistically speaking, like knowing like if we go out there and they're bringing in Jonathan Taylor, they're bringing in, they're averaging 33.8 points a game right now.

You know what I'm saying? And that's the number one scoring offense in the league and that's coming in to the crib. So we're- And we're giving 30-something up to Cincinnati. Come on! Yeah, yeah, I feel, I hear you. That's your fault, please.

Because you gave them, Joe, you probably go get an Eagles. See, see, you don't, see, you don't, if you're going over there, don't worry, that's not, that's not here nor there. It's doing good, man. That's not here nor there. You were doing real good, Evo. I'm drinking tea, too. You see, y'all get my voice going to go in. So, but with me, the one, the, the hope that I have, and the reason why I do have hope is because the names on the back of their jerseys.

I do believe that the people that we do have on the team are good enough to get the job done. That's not the question. They just need to do it themselves. You made me, you made me, you made me call you son. You got to call me son. Potential and what you were don't add up to shit if you don't go out there and play.

I know. That's what I feel you. I feel you. But I believe that they can do it. So I hope that now everybody. My son James Harrison out there, same name, all that on the back of the jersey. No, no, no.

go get the results that you got for me. No, no, I'm saying they got to go do it for themselves. We're saying the same thing, Debo. I'm just trying to figure out a way that they're going to be able to do it. Like, they know. Joe, you tell me how they're going to be able to do. You tell me, you give me a realistic approach how they're going to be able to do it, knowing how they're them played all year.

All right. Literally, everybody do they won 11th. Everybody do their job. It's not too hard. I'm thinking that people are doing, trying to do other. other people's stuff. Like, just win your one-on-one. If you can't win your one-

Are they trying to do other people's stuff or are they just being told different things? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think, or is it, like, are we, like, is, is it, are you being told different things? Because, like, I don't know, I can't tell if it's, like you said, the defense, where it's the player. When I see, I see certain stuff like this. I know when you get blew off the ball and you back there with the line back to test,

that's a problem. Yes. And then also when you see people, you know, Debo, when you run the plate and you freeze it and you see somebody man running Scott free, like you can want and kind of see, I just don't need to see eye errors, eye disciplines, people running

don't get beat to the plate. Well, sometimes you only got 10 on the field too, so. See, okay, see, that's, that's a, that's not, that's not acceptable. That's junior varsity. That's Coach T would say. That's JV. We can't have JV things going on out there.

Like, how you don't call a timeout? That's JV? That's JV. that's jv even if the players don't see it like i mean even the coach don't see it the player's sitting right there you should know who's standing next to you who should be next to you know you down one huh no question you're supposed to be running a combo yeah do the do the do the routine things routinely dbo that's what they got to do do the routine things routinely man i ain't even lie to you man that's a lot of lip service right now man is the standard is the standard the standard it's a

It's, I don't, what's the standard? Five hundred? Oh, no. We didn't want a playoff game since 2016, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I was playing then. I feel you.

I've been done for what, seven, eight years? Yeah, man. I feel, debo. I feel you. What's the standard now? Because we don't lost. It ain't the same one that I. I knew.

I know for sure. I'm telling the deep, I'm, there's nothing really to talk. There's nothing really to say, you know, it's bad. They got to do better. They have to play better. And there's more we keep talking about it, the more mad you're going to get. Brough. I want to.

Because I don't want you to be mad. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't see here and lie to myself. I can. No, for sure. That's what we, but you know what we. But you know what we, I need your honesty. I need you to be honest. Dude, as bad as I want them to win,

I wouldn't, I wouldn't bet a dollar on it. No, I mean. I can use that dollar for some penny candy or something. I get, I get at least whatever. I'll give me a hundred pieces of candy. You've been watching the games, Debo, you could tell, like, if you're being honest with yourself, you could be like, does Indianapolis cost,

have they been playing better than the Steelers? Well, how many times they don't punt it all year? Is it even 10? I don't know if they have a punter on the roster. Like, yeah, we're going to see. Oh, my God. Jonathan Taylor leads the league in rushing yards and touchdowns. We're going to see.

But there still is no doubt. It's depressing, man. Listen. We're going to move on. bro. Speaking of some depressing news. Oh, no. The Jaguars place Travis Hunter on the IR due to a knee injury.

Hunter now will miss a minimum of four games. I guess they placed them on injured reserve to come back. Yo, how hard do you think that's go hit down? Let's their next four games. I'm just sad for Travis Hunter. Super sad. did this happen? You know how it happened? I do not have no clue how it happened, brother.

Damn. He got four games. I hope they just don't rush it back. Don't rush them back. He gets 100%. He's way, way, way too young to be trying to force itself to rush back. Full recovery. You're going to be good.

100%, brother. 100% recovery. Make sure you come back. Because you know, you're having you adjusting on that ball a little bit when he thought. it. You know what I'm saying? So we don't want to, you know, we don't want to do nothing. I guess he was injured in practice on yesterday, brother. So this is. This is fresh. Yes, this is fresh.

Dang. I knew I didn't get nothing. They probably got him twisting the turner for balls in practice. Oh, for sure. He out there young buck going hard, trying to do both. Love him. But yeah, I think they just, long as they just take that time with him, don't rush him back. He got way, way, he has a long career. Oh, yeah, he's got a long career. As long as he could stay healthy, brother. As long as he could stay healthy.

Damn. That hurts, don't it? Hey, listen, man. Jerry Jones, he said he's shifting. He's shifting his priorities right now to something more lucrative. Jerry said there's a hundred billion present value with natural gas out there. That's why I'm talking to you on the telephone rather than trying to fix our defense with the Dallas Cowell. boys. Listen, people.

Oh my gosh. Hey, listen, listen. I'm trying to tell y'all, Jerry, Jerry has been letting y'all know from day one, okay? Even when, listen, even when he got the cowboys, it was an investment opportunity for him to make, to make money. He's letting you know that the... In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay beyond performance. with Intel Core Ultra processors for the next era of gaming.

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Only thing I care about is making money. As long as I'm making money and everything is going fine, you cowboy fans out there think he care about this thing, he don't care about this team he care about making that money

and right now Jerry said hey I got 13 billion over here sitting here and I got them boys and I got all these cowboy fans saying we're going back we're about to win it this year and y'all keep buying the tics and spending the money Jerry said I got that money coming but you know what I got right now

I got an opportunity for a more lucrative offer team might be worth 12, 13 billion but I got a chance to get 100 billion hey sit back we don't care about this right now listen I'm a businessman first okay and he got y'all so entangled as cowboy fans y'all think he really cares no he's the gym and does everything because he wants to be in control and make sure he can get as much money as he can listen you could go to the cowboys practice and watch them practice you could pay to get in there

to watch them practice dude like how many teams do that i do not know who does that because if i was i'm not but if i was in that position and i was playing the cowboys I might just send somebody that had no representation with my football team over there to go and sit and watch practice so I can know what to tell my players y'all go do when we play y'all. Joe, what, Joe, what do you think, Joe? I think you're on the money with it's all about the money. Jerry Jones is a smart businessman. He bought his team to make money for $150 million, whatever it is. Now they're worth $10, $13 billion.

So end of the day, he does want to have a good product on the field. Like, don't get me wrong. He wants, but the main thing is the main thing. And that's making money continuously, hand over fists. Like people said, having people come to practice, the jerseys, the stadium, the billion-dollar playpen. Like, he's making so much money. And then his main thing that he's going to show you is about making money because if there's a bigger money investment, we're going to keep this thing right here. You're still making me good money.

You know what I'm saying? But I'm about going to make this other $100 billion. over here that's like that's what it's about this is what it's both put this on pause for a second I'm gonna make 100 but y'all this jump change this this hey do not take my pocket money no do not do not do not take my pocket money but he don't that's pocket money to him debo he and this the thing too he owns the team yeah so like that's the thing people you know what hey man this my uh this is my entertainment source where all you foolish cowboy fans run over and give me all your money but I don't even really care about it because I'm making billions over here

but I had to go ahead and jump on this opportunity real hard because it's way more billions and I had to let y'all know that, hey, I'm Jerry Jones. I bought this for $1,50 million, and I made it into $13 billion, and now I got an opportunity to go and get $100 billion. Hey, listen. I'm going to get that.

I'm going to get that. That's why I'm talking to you on the phone right now. I ain't worried about that defense. Them cowboy fans go always stay there. We them boys. It's been 30 years. We ain't did nothing. But, hey, we than boys every year.

It's our year. Every year that year, and you keep dropping that money and buying them jerse. and doing all that. Debo, I would tell you this, if somebody were to buy and own investment

and they own something, and they're the full owner and everybody that works for them, they pay these people, they write the checks. Jerry Jones, in the NFL does not do that really act like that,

like the Robert Crafts and they're more in the background. They want to know what's going on. But into the day, if you own a team or that's your own, you could do whatever you want to do. Like, you're writing the checks.

You're cutting the checks to everybody. So if you're letting everybody know, like, a good way, but Jerry's letting people know he can do what he wants to do. Sell the team. Why would I sell the team? I'm up. Listen, why would he sell the team?

He automatically knows that he has Cowboys fans going back until the day before their eyes opened because their parents have indoctrinated them into being a Cowboys fan and they have never seen a championship game of any sort, but

You know what we're going to do? We go look at Troy Smith. We're going to look at- Emmett Smith, Emmett Smith, Michael Irvin, Michael Irving, Troy Eggman, Troy A-Din. When Dionne was dead. We're going to say, we them boys. We them-go-all-old them boys.

Huh? How are you them boys? Dak even got a problem with this. Like, come on. Yeah. Them boys, like, real for real. It's like them boys like that. He's like, oh, yeah, them boys over there, they play for me.

They make me some money, but here go to these men. They might get me that guat. I think I'm going to give me that guad. It's a business for Jerry, period. And as long as he making paper, he's going to continue to treat it as what it is. And it's nothing but a business. Like, you could come. Like, how do you come in there and be behind the glass and be able to watch somebody practice every day?

That's usually like a, you know, that's usually like a big opportunity for like somebody that, you know, you know, it's like a witch and all. all that other stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like training camp don't matter. You're just putting in the basics. Everybody know what your basics is. No, that's what I'm saying.

And sit there and watch what you about to do before you go play Blasey. No, you can't do that. You got to close that down. Like you can't, you can't have that. And like you said, in season, you get like, you know, you get to make a wish or something like, you know, once a week or something like that. That's a big opportunity. But they ain't coming there trying to, you're not selling it.

He's selling everything, dude. They're selling the gloves, the shoes, everything. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're selling everything. Don't leave nothing in the locker. I promise you, just go go to the gym shop before the end of the night. Damn. Okay.

Yeah, I feel that. Like, we them boys. All you're Cowboys fans, he like, yeah. All them suckers. I'm going to keep y'all, I'm going to keep y'all over here. Because y'all think I care about this. I really don't. I really don't.

I care about making money. The one thing I would say, though, Debo, is elite. it's not, it's not like they just been, they have good, they have formidable teams. Like, it's not like he's not just giving them like no, no roster. They have, they have been having some skills. You're talking about like Cleveland, like giving them no, nothing but one or two players here and there. No, no, no, no. I mean, I mean, I think, I think when he had the best, the best time, I'm not because I think the best time was when they had DAC, I mean, not with, but Des, with Des,

with Des Bryant on that catch. I think that was the one time they had the actual shot. So, like, in the last 30 years, it's one. But one? Yeah. You said one shot in the last 30 years.

I'll say one in the last 30 years. How are you going to call yourself them boys? Hold on, America's team. Well, I don't know if that's the reputation we want as America's team. You think they should switch America's team? No, they shouldn't switch America team. They're not America's team.

That was a title that was given to him. That was a title. I believe at one point. time it was a title they was trying to give to an old man uh old man runy he told him no they told him no i heard that i heard that you you were giving a title you didn't earn it we didn't boys yeah you was them boys in 90-something you just you just something you just something they living off the old old days they had they said they had their time and like come don't do yeah Don't. Don't. No. We can't, we can't, we can't, we can't allow it. Well, it ain't about we can't allow it.

The fans, they believe it so much. You know how you're getting ingrained to something that you, you just, you believe in it so much no matter what the, it's hitting you in your face. You know what I'm saying? Like, you still believe a lie. You know what I'm saying? Like they like, they like mellow. You die with the lies, son. They go die with the lie. You're going to have people that going to live their whole life as a, sorry, I almost say Cleveland, but yeah, you're going to have that too. But you're going to have fans that live their whole life as a Dallas Cowboy fan slash Cleveland Brown fan and never see anything come to fruition from the time they are born until the time they leave this earth. See, so what was that? What was like, Tony Romo? It was Tony Romo. And then that was that.

So that's been the last couple of years, the last 15. Listen, hey, Halloween is here. It is. What's the scariest thing that you think could happen today on Halloween? You want me to tell you what mine is? Yeah, you tell me first, Debo. I'm like, the dumb-ass browns and letting Miles Garrett go to Philly. That would be the scariest.

thing that could happen today. Don't do it. I second them. I don't even know why I'm telling them because they just... They're not going to do that, DeBowse. They're not going to do that. They're not going to do that. They tell them they give them 10 first round picks.

They go do it? 10 first round picks, Miles Garrett, first thing, he on the first thing smoking. That they said. They say 10, he on the first thing smoking. Listen, while I want to see you succeed, Miles, because I want to see all players succeed. Yes. I want to see you succeed with Cleveland while you don't win no games

that will affect the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's the selfish part of me. But I want the best of Miles Garrett, man, regardless. He's a baller. He's a good dude. I don't think the Browns are going to let him go. That would be ridiculous, especially for three first round picks. And we're not going to get another Miles Garrett in the draft.

He's the defensive cornerstone on him. Denzel, those pieces don't need to go. Hardest thing to find, an edge rusher, you got one. He's been there. You know what it is. And we got Denzel as a corner. So, like, those are my guys that we just don't need to get rid of. We know what we need on the offensive side.

We need to get a quarterback. And we need to get another receiver, you know what I'm saying? And always line never, offensive line never hurts. So with those spots, just getting rid of Miles in no place makes any sense to me. Because Miles is going to play at a high level. no matter where he's at because he's a baller. That's just what he does. He wants to perform at a high level because he just, I think he's,

when you're great players like you, it don't matter. When you're on the football field, you're going to work, you're going to do good because that's just what you do. That's just what we do when we're on the field. So I would want him to stay there and ball out. Yo, man, somebody asked AI to evaluate the Brown's historical struggle in the NFL. Dude, even Google couldn't make sense of it.

No. Dude, in confidence of the organization is one of the things. The Brown's post-1999 record is considered a significant outliner in a modern professional sports. The combination of losing seasons, a minimum number of winning records, multiple historical low points make the continuous struggles and almost statistically impossible outcome in a league

structured for parity. The Brown's struggles are frequently cited as a case study on organizational dysfunction that managed to defy the mathematical

and structural forces of the modern NFL. God. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up, damn. Hey, I can't see you, Joe.

Put your head up, babe. Hold up, man. What you doing? I didn't do this. That's Google. Hey, I didn't do this. I didn't do this, bro. I did not do this.

This is not. Google A. To chill out, man. Hey, this is my... That has nothing to do with me, Joe. Listen, what your kids? What your kids? Your kids trick-or-treating, Joe.

Let's go to something, man. Your kids treat and treating what they're going at. My young boys, my boy, I got my oldest son, Joey, he's going as a police officer. And then I got my son. youngest son, Jack, he's going as a ninja. Okay. Okay. Yes.

My son's birthday today, he would wear costumes, like, every day. I'm talking, as soon as he got home from school, he'd wear the costume. This dude had, like, I think it was like eight, eight or nine different Iron Man costumes. Yeah. Iron Man, soldier, this, woo, woo, this, all this other stuff, dude. Like, literally couldn't get this dude out of a costume. And, like, we was trying to. Well, we tried it too late, but we wanted to make him believe that everybody dressed up because it was his birthday, but we started too late.

He didn't. He didn't believe that. He wasn't going for that. No, he wasn't going. What he got going today for his birthday? Yo, I'm a little, I ain't going to lie to you. I'm a little upset. He got something going without you. He got something going without me. He's going to tell me. His mom asked him, like, what do he want to do, whatever, do, da, so. I'm like, well, you find out what, you know, what Henry want to do? Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, you know, he want to go eat. He want to go hit, you know, we got, we got, we got, we got Napa Prime right here and off the hook.

Yeah, you know, off the hook, bro, that was my spot when I was in the- question, bro. Napa Prime is even better. It's the steak spot. Napa Prime is, I've been to that prime two up the hill. Close the street from the dish, the other one is the seafood spot, right? Yeah, yeah. And he go talk about some, he want to go to his friend's house and sit around.

a fire or something, and, you know, he would catch up. He didn't catch up. I'm going to holl at you, Paul. I'm going to go get to the fire, and then I'm going to hit you up, Paul. You, you dirty, ruckling scoundrel. You're going to do that to me? After all I did for you, you go do that to me? Yeah.

On your 16th birthday? I know you a boy, but, like, you go do that to me? Dang, Debo. It'd be your own blood. Hey, it'd be your own blood. I'm going to give you something, dude. I'm going to give you something. So I don't know if your son stopped giving you a kiss yet,

but it's going to hurt your heart when they do. Oh, man. It's going to tear you apart, bro. So I'm sitting there and, dude, you know, he gives his mom a kiss, you know. You know, I'll get me a kiss. And I don't know when it was, but James was, I think he was around like, like maybe four or five. vibe, something like that.

And I see him, you know, they're talking whatever, da-da-da-da-da-da. Okay, mom, whatever, do-do-do. You know, he get the kiss, like, all right, man, what's up, man? And I go to get the kiss, and you know this nigga turned his cheek on me? Yeah. Hold down. Oh, close. Hold up.

Over here. Listen. Listen. I didn't know that your kid could hurt you. without saying a word. I had to talk to him about it after he got older. I couldn't let it. He didn't understand it, man.

Yeah. But I had to talk to him. I got over it, of course. He really hurt you. He hurt your feelings, though. He hurt my feelings. I can't get no kiss. No, no, Dad.

I can't. No, my, man. You're going to turn your cheek to me? Oh, yeah. You're going to still give her the lips? Mm-hmm. Young boy on the chief. Man, my old.

And now I can't even. even get a cheat kiss. No, for sure. Now you, yeah, now he's trying, yeah, dad, you better come over here, just give me a good old hug. That's, you better be happy on giving you a hug. Listen. All this, all this, all this, all this, all this close.

Wait, wait to that. Wait to that. So, it's also something else, it's a good thing, is that you all can't lose. The Browns can't lose this week. Oh, yeah. Dang. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You damn right. And all my boys getting their goal. Everybody's still in up. Y'all might be just around a game and not even have to do nothing. That's what I'm saying. That's the goal. I'm just, that's the goal.

We need distillers. You know what I'm saying? You need the stillers? What? What you mean? Who is we? Then you go with that bullshit, Joe. Me and you is the stillers.

We need distillers to win this week. Oh, I thought you're about to say something goofy. No, no, no, no. We need distillers to win this week, Dibbo. Why would I? I don't know. I'd be crashing out sometimes. No, no.

You know what? I'm down bad because I already know we're about to go out here in Lou. I'm depressed. That's what I'm saying. I just don't want to get embarrassed. I just don't want to get embarrassed. Don't embarrass us, please. No, look, look, it'd be, yes.

Let's just, I'm with, this game, let's just good vibes, Debo. We know what we got to do. We know what they got to do. Good vibes. The Brown's already won this week. So you're actually right. Hey, they might lose, though. They might go and give away everything they got.

They're stupid enough to. Nope, nope, nope. He's not, man, they ain't going to do that. They're not interested and get it rid of me. I hope they do. I just want something bad to happen. Only reason, they get rid of Miles for Patty, my homes. Okay?

Give us Pat and we'll give you Miles. Okay. Hell no. All right then. Well, he's going to sit down. That's what I'm saying. Pat ain't going to let that happen. He'll retire before he let him put him to the Brown.

Bro, I know Pat not going nowhere. Pat not going to. That's what I'm saying. If I'm the Browns, I'm acting for something outrageous. Give me Lamar. If you want, you want, you want the hold. They ain't give, listen, listen. Lamar will retire before he let you.

It's a lot of quarterbacks that you're saying right now that will retire before you let them get. Nope. They got to have some. No. I will retire on you before I let you trade me to the Cleveland Browns. See. I play, I play for every team. in the North.

I didn't play for the Browns, though. Shut up. I played for the Browns, Debo. Shut up. I'm just saying. Why are you being so disrespectful? I'm just, I was just, I was making a statement about who I didn't play for. That's it, Joe.

You know why? You're trying to make a statement like, oh, yeah. I'm not making a statement, Joe. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just telling the truth. I can't just think the truth. I don't know how much better the Bengals organization is than the, uh, 2013. We took the AFC North. Check it out.

Yeah, man. Where I go, AFC North. AFC Northgo. Man, all right. I just wanted to say that. Heavy dog finds this the wrong clock. Hey, I'm just saying, man. Listen, listen, man, listen.

A broke clock, right twice a day. We want to thank you guys, man. We got to get out of here because Joe is feeling some kind of way when I start talking about the clowns, I mean the Browns and stuff like that. Like, I just said I didn't play for him. Listen, we want to thank you guys for joining us for this episode. Adibo and Joe, please make sure you guys like and subscribe. We will be back at it. on Monday, and I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm praying that I have good

news. Even if we lose, I just don't, I just make it close. Don't let, please, I'm going to start spinning again, Joe. No, let's go. Come on, Stiller's defense. Stand up. Get Debo something to be happy about. Have us come with a good cigar on. Have me coming here with a good cigar. Good cigar. With my towels on. Come on. All that. I might even like. it up this time, I ain't going to lie. Come on, Debo. I mean, I might, depend on. I might, I might, I don't know.

So look here, give me some so I can put my stuff on so I could be back in my flow, all the gold, you know. Mm-hmm. Yes. Shine. Shine. So we can shine, Joe, because you ain't got nothing else to look forward to other than when the downfall coming their trade miles. So we can shine, Joe. Brown's already won this week.

Here we go. Stillers, let's go put our foot down, step on these boys next, at least stand your ground, please. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. Stand up. We're back here on Monday. We out. We out. at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming and performance that won't quit.

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