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You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?
Brother Debo, I'm doing great, my good brother, my brother in Christ.
I had a great, great night watching some football, you know, so yeah, the game,
unbelievable game.
Oh, no question.
You know, like, this is a high scoring game, so I know you kind of, you know, may not like a two.
It was high scoring, but I was still able to stick in there because it wasn't like
just the straight out blowout.
It was interesting all the way to the end.
Yes, yes, yes, sure.
You know, Dallas went on out there and they tried their best, but they,
They just didn't have enough to finish it off.
Lions beat them, what was it, 44 to 30?
Yes.
Yeah, so Detroit get out there and, like, that whole first series,
they was just, like, play action in them.
You know, the first play, except for the first play,
they went on head just straight through it to St. Brown.
So he was good.
That was seven.
They get to, I think it was like third and three.
And Gibbs gives the linebacker, this shaky, shaky spin cycle.
Yes.
Breaks off his ankles, you know, for a hot 19.
And then again, I think it was the next.
The next one was the first one was the swing pass to him where he got crazy,
spin cycle, everything.
And then the very next one, the checkdown to him.
He's behind him.
Duky step turns around, like just back-to-back plays, getting the ball into his hands,
bro.
Gibbs went crazy.
I think the first one was the checkdown.
I think the second one was the out.
Was the swing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But look, back-to-back.
He went to both plays.
Yeah, and they, I think it was second and four.
they ended up dropping him for two.
It was a loss of two.
And then on that third down,
they was able to make it to golf.
They ended up settling for a field goal.
Yeah, Mohammed, that's when he started it.
Mahomet's first sack of the day.
Mm-hmm.
It was three nothing.
Dallas get out there.
And then on the second and six,
Pickens takes one for a nice little 11-yard game.
Mm-hmm.
I think it was the first down.
They ended up losing five.
they did a little throwback
that drum was looking a little crazy
he threw the ball behind the line
of scrimmage trying to jump past
that yeah that was a not a good play
the second to 15 though
he is he is Ferguson for
19 yards
like I was thinking they was going to be able to hold
up they didn't
the next one they really didn't
didn't get too much
it was like a run I know an incompletion on the first one
the second down was just one
And then third down, dude made it a nice break on that.
He did, he did.
But this is one where it got, it was a little bit noisy in there, Debo.
Did you see my man, George?
It's a little noisy in there.
He was going for the pick.
Both of them, I saw a little alligator, came off the joint, kind of chilling.
But, like, that was the first one.
It was definitely noisy.
I could see my man, pick is kind of making a little bit of a business decision on that dig.
A little bit.
It was a little noisy in there, but, you know what I don't think that was a dig.
I think that was the out.
No, no, no, that was the dig.
Okay.
That was the dig.
All right.
Yeah, they go, yeah, 57-yard field goal on that.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
A 57-yard field goal, like nothing.
Like nothing.
That wasn't even the longer.
It wasn't even the long.
No, no, no, for sure.
He's just warming up.
Yeah, man.
And, you know, Dallas going ahead kick it off to Detroit.
Man, Dallas Special Teams was selling all night, dude.
They let, they let dude return to, what was it?
40 yards to almost midfield.
He was doing it all night.
All night, dude.
All night.
Like, all night.
And the kicker, Aubrey smacked him, though, on that return.
I ain't going to lie to you, the kicker win and got him some.
Yeah, Dallas defense was able to stand up a little bit.
They pressured him into throwing the ball into the ground on the second down.
And then the third down, I think St. Brown, he ended up tripping on that one.
They almost had a pick.
Yeah, that was good defense.
Yeah.
Good defense.
That was good defense.
Could have been a pick for show, but had to punt.
Yeah, they end up punting the ball.
I think Dallas, they fake the fair catch, that put them back.
And then they had a holding that pushed them back even further.
They had the double penalty.
Yes, they had a double penalty.
And then they get to third and four from, I think it was like the 10 or 11.
And that gets sacked for a safety.
That's a safety, deep, bro.
A review, they overturned it.
He said the ball was clearly all the, no, it was.
No, no, the ball is clearly, like, soon as he's,
he starts crumpling.
I'm like, that's a safety for show.
Dude, yes.
And before the dude hits him,
he actually steps himself back further.
Yes, to protect itself to cradle the ball,
which puts his whole body in the end zone.
Dude, the ball was sitting half and half then.
He said clearly all the way out.
There's no way you can say clearly.
They need to,
ref need to get their vision check.
They got to be 2020.
That was 2020.
That was terrible.
Yeah, that was bad, man.
They ended up putting the ball over to Detroit.
And I think they ended up getting the ball close to midfield again, like 40.
42.
Yeah, something like that.
First down, a little short thing to give.
Second down, it was another seven.
That got them the first.
And then on the first down, they get that illegal shift where they tried to pass to the offensive lineman.
Yeah, sometimes they try to do a little bit too cute when everything's working.
It was getting cute right there.
It was getting super cute right there.
Second and 13, you're coming that boy, St. Brown again.
26 to the Dallas 8, brother.
Great play called way to, he widened the man up, you know what I'm saying?
Stacked him up, widen him up, made some space on the inside.
Great, though, great route.
Next play, they do the reverse to Williams.
He ends up stepping out at the one.
Next play, Gibbs finishes it off.
It's three to, it's three to ten to...
So Dallas comes back up out there, and first down, Williams, get him a nice run.
Second down, he ends up, no, he only got two on second down.
So they ended up going to like third and one.
And that completes like that one for the first.
I believe the next third down is when CD, he just breaks the tackle.
He took it, what was it, 16.
Yep.
They went four for five.
They went four for four on those third downs on this drive.
Yeah.
Like, they kept converting.
Right after that, they converted two more, two more.
you know, two more first downs, just basically
staying ahead of the change. That's a sex rate
thing. They get
to the first and 10, I think, on the
Dallas, what, no, sorry,
on the 15-yard line. Yep.
And finally, you know,
the defense decides they go
stand up a little bit.
They get to the third and 10,
and they sack him. Yep,
Muhammad, second sack of today.
Yeah, dude. Like, they were
pressure him all night, dude.
They ended up having to settle four
field goal again is six to ten and Detroit gets back out there and on the second down they
false start yep the next play Gibbs gets I think it was like 13 yeah they put that man out
right out yeah hey he was doing we was doing work bro wide out he was lining up in the slot
saucing people up yeah they get the incompletion on the third down they they're going uh that's the
But on that third down, Debo, they thought it was, he thought he had a false start.
He thought he had a free play.
No question.
I think he was in the neutral zone, but, yeah, there's neither here nor day.
Hey, I told you, they visually got to get checked.
Them boys ain't seeing twanky, twanky, baby.
That was foggy.
They ain't seeing twanky, twanky, that was foggy.
The de tackle was in a neutral zone, in my opinion.
Yeah, I would, yeah, I would, I would have to agree with you.
Like, especially if you're saying just any part, like, that's amazing.
For sure.
And then the first play, Dollars get up out there.
And that, like, his CD, I think, with, like, 97.
Yep, 37, 38.
And then the next play, he throws a backwards pass.
You know, they actually gave a sack on that, dude.
That was like a sack.
Like, they gave a sack on that.
Like, with a backwards pass.
And then I think, what they lose on that, like 15 or something?
Yeah, I think they all 16.
They all 16 yards.
16?
Okay.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Third and 21, he gets it to Ferguson, and he fumbles to rock.
They punched that ball out.
No.
Yeah, turnovers hurt.
Turnover.
Yeah, I think Dallas get it at, like, with the 50 somewhere close around there.
Mm-hmm.
And then they go to first play, and they get a hold of them.
Yep.
Then they get a false start.
Back up with a false start.
I think it's like second in, like 17, second in 19.
something like that.
And guess who golf goes to?
James.
And this is one of the plays I'm talking about, too.
Did you see the route?
He took off on the ball like it's a fly, like it's a go.
When you're a receiver, you got to threaten the DBD.
You got to threaten them because James Williams, he's fast.
He's faster than these DBs.
So you better get on your horse and start hauling.
And then once he sits it down, we're all delivering right on time.
You can't stop because you're nervous to get.
taking up top, you'd rather him catch the ball coming back to the quarterback, but that's a 20
yard stop, you know what I'm saying? By that time, if he's not, if he's not selling it,
DB's chilling waiting on him to stop like, man, you're not going to where.
But he's selling that phase, as soon as he press him hard enough, he's going to turn that hip,
soon as he turned that hip, that's his break in.
Yep, hit that for 24 yards because he dropped it. He's throwing a 20-yard curl, and you're
not expecting. Once you pass 15, 16, I'm thinking you're going to overall, you're going
deep, you're trying to take me up top. That was beautiful. And that's some things that I said
win pickings just even if you're not getting the boat you got to sell fade for everything take
off last night yeah you got to yeah i think it was that next uh second down montgomery
blams that thing 35 straight to the middle i'm trying to tell you dude like points off turnovers
points off turnovers that's a touch yes easy easy money quick tutty this 60 17
Dallas actually goes and gets a nice return
but they get a holding call
like that
ended up kicking it back
and then I think it was like
second and five
DAC hit CD again for like 20
21 something like that
I think they ended up converting
maybe like one more first down after that
and then that next first down
is when you know
they got the PI
when they did the PI to the end
they got the hands
to the face call no i'm talking about the next first down when cd he uh he threw the
incompletion the cd and he was supposed to be out oh yes yes yes yes he got to keep that in
bounds no no what you think i think that was when he actually hit his head and was supposed to be
out of the game yes yes okay okay okay yeah he's supposed to be out of the game so keep that in mind
Because he went to the tent, all that, right?
Mm-hmm.
He went to the tent, he did all that, and you know how to tent go.
You ain't coming about the tent.
You was laying down there asleep.
You, your fingers was doing the, yeah, so, you know, you're out.
You got to be.
That was the obvious concussion.
Okay.
So second to ten, I think they ended up hitting pickings for nine, which would have put them out
a second in one, but this is where they got the face mask, which kicked them back to a second
in 25 they can't overcome that and you know they end up again with another field goal yeah it's
nine to 17 now and Detroit gets the ball back with 50 seconds bro second down golf the Gibbs is 18 yep
first down they hit st brown for nine and then on third down and one they get a PI that pushes
them for it. I think another 13, 14 yards. They're able to kick a field goal. They're lucky
it wasn't more time on the clock. Man, on the next play with my man, the rookie, the same one
that got the PI, he'd lose his feet. He was out there. And sometimes, you know, in the deep
as a DB, I could see he was just a little, he was a rookie, he was nervous. He was getting
cooked out there. They had him in a lot of man to man. When he was trying to move your feet so
fast, you didn't let you hit the ground before you press off. Your adrenaline is catching yourself so
fast, you can't even get your feet up under
yourself. So when he ran the go
ball, my man's feet just clipped
and he just like exploded in the air and fell.
I was like, oh my goodness, he got to breathe.
His feet is moving too
much. His legs are heavy right now.
Yeah. They end up scoring
before the half. It's 9 to 20.
Dallas comes back out there
in the very first
play, Dak is picked off.
That pick, deflection,
And, dude, that's, on this one, he returns it to the 14.
Can I tell you one thing about that play?
I am going to run him over.
I'm dropping my head on him.
The linebacker.
Yes, I'm going to, I'm going to put that boom on him.
I'm going to make him tackle me.
You got to.
You got to.
That's what is that.
No, run into him.
Run through him.
This is your time.
This is your time.
This is your time.
Yes.
This is your time.
Debo, I feel you.
1,000%.
Can I speak on the play?
Go ahead, brother.
This is cornerback one-on-one.
If you're a DB, you want the situation so bad.
It's two-by-two.
The running back is offset to the right of the running back.
I'm the quarterback.
Once he sends it in motion, it goes to a three-by-one.
We call this full-flow.
Three-by-one, full-flow, backside slant.
Every DB knows this.
I love the way Robinson stepped off, gets a little bit inside,
acts like he doesn't know of the slant coming.
And this is when you know you have a safety over the top.
You play, you play that press side.
You back up because that's the route he runs.
And then you got George Pickens over there,
wide split on the backside of a 4x1,
there's a 1,000% slant.
So him reading tape, him being ready to film study.
And then I'm looking at Dallas like, look,
if dudes know what's coming in, if I know, I'm looking like,
oh my God, it's 4 by 1.
It's a slant coming.
It's a slant coming.
And I just was watching, okay, get off.
Don't let Dak know that you know it's the slant.
That was just great plays by the defense and just sprout recognition.
Yeah, they returned it to the Dallas 14.
I think it was only two plays later.
What's the dude?
Tastling, Tessling.
Yeah, I kept calling my man Tesla, but it's Tessala, Tesla, Tesla.
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To Sly, to Sly, 12-yard touchdown from golf.
Another rough day for the, for the, for the,
rookie corner, second man through your zone.
He's just looking. That's the weird. You got to take that.
That's your man. He was having a difficult day.
His legs was a little heavy out there.
Oh, yeah. I mean, you got to realize.
It be like that. I've been telling you that DB is not as tricky.
I mean, when you're playing a lot of man-to-man, you're exposed.
You're not a defense alignment just getting hit out of their hole.
That got every single play and nobody had no.
DB, you're going to see that. You're going to see your exposure.
Yeah, well, you can see it if they run on that rock, too, now.
You're right.
You're right.
27 to 9 now, I think Dallas gets back out there and it was second to seven.
And how does C.D. Lamb get a ball for 32 when he wasn't supposed to be in the game?
You think he's already a little, he's already, yeah?
They ruled him out after that for a concussion.
But he had already, he was concussed a series or two before that.
That's when they ended up, they ended up ruling him out.
But anyway, that first down, I think Williams gets a nice game for 11.
Next play, it was a holding.
They got a holding penalty, and they get to it.
I think it was fourth and five.
They end up going for it from the seven.
Yes.
From the eight, or it was the nine.
It was fourth and five.
They ended up getting nine.
Four and five, they got it because George, George, big hands catch started getting
trying to catch, trying to fight for extra yards.
he fumbles the rock he got lucky they recovered it thank the Lord because I think if they
recovered that by it's ugly in the end zone it's over with right they get the rock it's a touchback
right uh yeah yeah for sure for sure but they ended up getting that thing yeah they got the first down
they were able to that was huge it was necessary I think they ran it in on the second down
it's back to a game 27 16 27 16 I think Detroit
gets back out there and again
on the third and eight
Gibbs give somebody to shake them
brother
my man bland
it was just
you got to use the sideline as your friend
you know what I'm saying he's running four speed
back hip him he's running like he had more
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Like 10 more yards of sideline over there.
He was running like they were in the middle of the field.
Like he had a two-way go.
Man, he's about to hit them breaks so hard.
And you couldn't bring.
He just went straight, full plank mode, Dibo, flew by and just stayed there, too.
I'm like, is he hurt?
Right.
Yeah.
Soul, feelings, pride, that was hurt.
The only thing that was hurt with the pride, go ahead.
Get on up, man.
Second down, golf hits Williams for 16.
After that, the defense is able to hold up.
They attempt to field goal and get it.
It's locked.
I was like, whoa.
Now we got the game.
Hey, super.
Now we got a real game.
Super game.
They end up, I think it was like second down, they pick up 18 with Fanoi.
Mm-hmm.
And then second down, they put, they got a holding then.
They got a holding penalty on second and nine.
They got a hold on the line.
They got a second and nine.
Knocked it back to second and 19.
Yeah.
And then they got the third nine.
That was the offensive PI.
That was the illegal pick by a legal pick.
Illegal pick, yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
They end up having to settle for a field goal after.
On that 3rd and 19, they threw it to pickings.
He kind of jogged off.
He didn't really know was he running a go.
Was he running a fake DJ and then?
You see it.
You see it.
I mean, it's multiple times where you see him not really getting off the line.
And like the one time, Dak is like, yo, press him.
That's the one right now.
Get off the line and press him and turn off, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Make him, make him fear fade.
You got to make the DB fear fade.
Yeah.
And I think that's when your man hit the 63 yarder.
Yeah, now they're going, hey, I'm like 63.
Yes.
Yeah, easy money.
Aubrey, I'll be the best kick in the lead, bro.
Oh, easily.
19 to 27.
Well, he got, well, still, he's still, he's doing the indoor and outdoor,
but it benefits when you're on your home field.
No, it do.
I'm not going to punish him for that.
No, no, you can't because a lot of them missing them indoors too.
Yeah, come on, man.
But he's kicking in the turf.
Yeah, Detroit come out there, Montgomery.
He'd take it the first two-downs.
I think the first was a nine, the second was four.
Nine, second, straight downhill.
Yeah, and then they get an illegal formation.
And I think it was, what was it, golf?
He got, uh, Williams again, wasn't it, like 13?
Yeah, 14-yard joint.
Yeah, I think Montgomery, he ran for like maybe two on the second.
Yeah, no, he got a false start.
Coming out to the fourth quarter, now we got the start of the fourth.
They get a far start there.
I think Montgomery goes maybe, what was it, 13?
Mm-hmm.
And they decline the off-sides.
Yep.
And then second down, I think he hits another one for about eight or nine.
Yep.
And then it's a holding.
Another holding.
Like, they are trying to set their selves back.
They're giving them a chance to self-inflicted wounds.
Yeah.
Yeah, they can't recover from it.
They end up settling for the field goal.
It's 30 to 19 now.
Yep.
Yeah.
Dallas comes out, brother.
What was it?
Three, four, four plays, bro.
Yep.
Four plays and scores a touchdown.
The first down, Dax scrambles on him for 12.
He didn't even look like he was trying.
No, he was chilling.
He just ain't got the speed or the wheels.
No, no, no.
No, no.
That's not trying.
Dak is smart.
Jackson Dart needs to watch that
Hey, he needed to watch that
I was going to say, I was like...
He's chilling.
I got 60 million to make sure I'm good.
I got a long career.
Yeah, Williams, he runs for, I think it was
11 yard, 12, something like that, okay?
And I think it was second and five, bro.
Phenoi, Detroit bust coverage.
I don't know what was going on there.
They let his name wide open.
He go 42 y'all.
I lied to you now.
I think it was just man-to-man.
I think he was just guessing, honestly.
I'm not thinking that's supposed to be safety help
because once he saw and he looked back,
that was like a damn, I'll guess wrong.
You know what I'm saying?
So he had to just get back on his horse.
You know what I was just a thought of a way.
He didn't get back on his horse.
He, no, bro, you're beat.
You're just looking back at that play hoping it's a sack.
He dropped the ball.
Listen, you look back hoping he dropped the ball.
Dropped it, quarterback got hit or sack?
Because by this point, yes, for sure.
I'm bombed.
I'm bombed.
I think that was a man-to-man, like, honestly.
Dallas ends up going for a two-point conversion.
They converted it.
Now it is a game-game, three-point game, 27 to 30.
Drive-of-the-game right here, in my opinion.
Now, look at the game and the help of the game by, like, Detroit did their thing, but Dallas helped them.
Like, you get that third and six, he hits Williams for what was like 29 plus.
Also, it starts with the kickoff for Turner.
Yes, true statement.
True statement.
True statement.
Like I said, they were selling all night.
Mm-hmm.
They were selling all night.
You get that third down and he completes it for the 29 plus the rough and the passer.
Yep.
Yeah.
So I think it was a, they was close.
So I only gave him half the dent.
What, 13 yards?
I got 13 yard line.
Yeah.
And then I believe it was Gibbs on that second down.
The right dude, to play before, they were like, yeah, they've been bottling Gibbs up for
the most part of the night.
Dada-da-da-da.
In the very next play.
Yeah, in the very next play, right through the middle of your defense.
He struck out on him for a hot, for a hot 10 for a touchdown.
It's 27 to 37 now, right?
Yep, yep.
Man, Dallas get back out there in the first play, they sacked this man again.
They was hitting him all night, dude.
They was pushing him all night.
Like, for him to get as many yards as he did, man, he did a good job.
The very next down, though,
He hits your boy, Phenoid, for 20 again.
For Noid, man, he stepped up.
When CD went down, he was out there hooping.
I did not know who buddy was, but he was snagging the rock every time.
Oh, no question, bro.
He was doing a real good job.
Like you said, I was with you.
I didn't really know who he was either.
I didn't know.
Yeah.
I know his name now.
I think they converted maybe like three more first downs after that,
you know, really staying ahead of the change, doing what they had to do.
And then on, I think it was third and three.
is when it was
with the OPI.
The OPI, they declined it.
It could have went the other way.
I mean, I seen where he's talking about
because he got the little hook on the little arm thing.
He hooked the little thing and did a little twist.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, if it's me, I'm glad.
I want that call.
You want that call.
Yes.
You want that call.
But normally you ain't getting that call.
You're normally not getting it because he had a little bit,
but like, you know, just swing bys, blow by us.
swing-throughs over the shoulder
if you had him rocking too much,
you as a DB, as a linebacker,
you got to say a little bit more inside leverage.
He had you rocking,
so then, like, it's kind of more of a swing-through
so I could see, I don't,
I think it's a bang-man.
You let that play.
If you let him do that,
you know what I think?
You let the offensive player do that
and then you let the DB,
he didn't really even hook him.
He kind of, like, touched him,
then didn't really change his momentum.
That's just a no call for me.
Like, I don't think you call for me, yeah?
Dude, he went to the ground,
dude.
He was about to go to the ground.
That's why he had to hook him.
That was enough to throw him off, brother.
I got to go with it, man.
Listen, they got to settle for the field goal.
That's the right call, baby.
You're okay, okay.
I'm okay with that on the defensive side.
No, I'm not okay with that on the offensive side.
He grabbed him.
He grabbed him, he grabbed him, Debo.
Look at me, I'm changing.
I'm a corner.
I feel you.
I need to be alone.
I'm with you, Debo.
Right.
It was a, it was an OPI.
OPI all day.
Detroit got, do I think they had to Detroit Levin,
so they settled for a field goal.
32, 37, still a one, still a one-score game.
And again, return game.
They sell.
Kennedy goes.
Returned to 42 yards.
This thing to the 49-yard line, brother.
Then in midfield.
Second and nine, golf hits St. Brown, and this man goes 37.
Yep.
The very good display.
The man, they've been keeping bottled up supposedly, strike.
out again for 13 for a touchdown.
Boy, I thought that was almost a submission defense.
I thought they almost like let them score.
That's what it looked like, how easy it was.
I'm not about to let you score up.
Me either.
I'm just saying.
We're going to be down 14 now.
It's 30 to 44.
He almost walked in the end zone.
I'm just saying it looked.
They might not have been trying to let him score, but it looked rather easy.
Yeah.
I mean, hell, Dallas only got the ball with like, what, 210 love?
And then they go to the fourth, they get to the fourth down to 10.
They say they didn't get it.
They reversed that rule.
They got it.
Yeah, he was on it.
Yeah, that's no question.
That's no question.
I think first down, Doc hits Turpin for 21.
Mm-hmm.
And then Ferguson, again, I think it was 15.
Back.
Back to that third time by Muhammad.
Come on, man.
You know?
And then second down, yeah.
How did Rick?
get that. That's the craziest. I don't know what.
My man, DJV. I love DJV. We worked out
together out in L.A. Great, great dude. He hits me up.
You know what I'm saying? And like, that's my, one of my young bulls.
Love the death. He had a tough day out there and he deserved that pick.
He needed that pick. He needed that.
He was out there and a lot of man-in-man. Hey, you playing out there.
And they was going at him too now.
They was going to smack at my boy. But, you know, they putting him in man-in-man's
he was vers CD. It could be tough out there. A lot of single high.
So, yes, I was so happy he got that pick, was able to close that thing out.
Rough day with a pick, ends it up, y'all win, you know what I'm saying, ends up with a good day, DJ.
Yeah.
Dallas, well, Detroit, they nil it out, it's over with.
Yeah.
So Detroit, they did a good job.
But I'm going to say this, dude, Dallas special teams was selling big time.
Like, they helped them tremendously.
And then you add on top of it, you know, the three terms.
turnovers and not being able to convert in the red zone.
I don't think they were only one of three.
They ended up losing CD.
And on top of that, the offensive line couldn't protect that.
You know, obviously, Detroit gets credit for that because the defense stepped up.
I think they had five sacks.
Five sacks.
11 times, you know, Detroit's offense did a good job mixing it up, like the timing, their flow, the rhythm.
They were, you know, they were able to do what they needed.
Duke Gibbs was only 12 or 43, but that was three touchdowns.
He also had another seven receptions for 77.
Then Montgomery was six of 60.
Ten a hit, ten a hit.
He got a touchdown.
For the most part, the offensive line kept golf clean.
That allowed him to go, what, 25 or 34 for 308 for 308 in the touchdown, 309.
Yep.
And Williams, seven for 96, St.
Brown, six for 92.
Like, it's going to be very difficult for people to cover both of these guys and have them
on the field together with the, you know, the double running back combination.
When these guys are healthy, dude, like, facing this team is, it's going to be hard.
And Detroit didn't even go for it on one fourth down.
No, they did not.
Thank you.
They did not.
they did a great job of making sure.
Hey, maybe they didn't learn.
Let's punt the rock.
Yes, ain't wrong with a point.
It was not like a, let's not turn over the ball and put on.
And look what your special teams did for you.
Special teams.
That was a overall team performance.
I wouldn't say, I would say their defense still didn't play as great.
They put them in a lot of tough positions.
There's a lot of man to man to be played out there.
So you're depending on your D line.
You need Muhammad.
You need Hutchinson to be able to get after that quarterback.
So I think with Branch getting hurt, you know what I'm saying?
That's going to be a little tough.
They need everybody they have.
DJ Reed, he could play a little bit.
He had a tough game, you know what I'm saying?
But that's a lot.
That's man on CD.
They're asking a lot of you.
So being able to stand up, my man, Robertson, he's a great, I love the way he played,
being able to be smart, being able to make those plays, being able to understand
situational football, or what's four by one.
It's flow.
I'm going to line off.
I'm going to be able to act like I don't know what's going on and be able to make a play here.
Punching the ball out, Campbell, you know what I'm
saying so yeah don't let them read your mail like don't let me read your mail yes i think a lot of the
time guys don't you know get into that that that focus and sometimes like you said as a as a
corner you could do it by yourself a lot of the times out there by disguising but when you're
trying to disguise and you're a linebacker or you're someone that's in coordination with someone
that's going to be taking your coverage you got to make sure they're on the same page as you so that
when you're out there, you know, like I said, sitting on two,
making like you covering him, make sure you're safety deep.
And when he sees you take off, let him roll up.
You know, that way the quarterback has less time,
and now he got to read it on the run.
Yep.
The Lions, man, it just, the Lions offense,
they had a little bit of everything, too, like you said.
You have both running backs that can run the ball so well,
they can catch it out of the backfield.
Then you have Jameson, Williams.
You have Amrasee Brown.
You have always.
He was supposed to be out.
He's supposed to be out.
He's not.
He's catching bang eights, you know what I'm saying, right on time.
And when you run those play actions, they mean something.
Because St. Brown could, I mean, because Gibbs could be getting a handoff.
Montgomery could be getting that handoff.
So when you play action is that linebackers coming up, it's open down the middle of the field.
And these receivers, Jameson Williams, running good routes, taking off like it's a go route.
I didn't see him really lolly gagging, you know what I'm saying?
So, like, these dudes are running.
Every play, you got to give it 100, especially, you know, when you were talking about
every person, no matter what your job is, your job is built off of somebody else being able to do their job correctly.
And if you're coming out here and you laxed days ago in your approach because you don't think something that's going to go your way and you don't get an effort that you need to, now when it actually ends up going to your way, you're not even ready to make the play or able to.
You got to every play, man. You got to get it.
And then, like, with them, too, the special teams, Debo, my man, Tom Kennedy, if you don't have to go 80 yards, it makes it a lot easier to make it drive a lot quicker, you know what I'm saying?
A couple of runs, couple first downs.
We're already in field goal range, you know what I'm saying?
So that whole team being able to put themselves in good positions, the special teams, like we said, the Cowboys sold.
But that dude, Tom Kennedy, he was hitting those joints every time they was at the 50-yard line.
You starting from the 50, you damn, you got points, especially when you got the weapons that he got.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think we go, we're going to get to my Steelers.
But before that, we said, Ben, on his podcast, he said, it's time for a foster.
I think we got it.
Can we got the video?
Maybe a fresh start for him is what's best.
Whether that's in the pros, maybe go be Penn State's head coach.
You know what he would do in Penn State?
He'd probably go win national championships.
Legit.
Because he's a great recruiter.
That's what I said. Was I having a conference? We probably had to say.
Probably.
Or I was having this conversation the other day.
I'm like, Coach T in college would be one of the greatest college football coaches.
What do you think? You agree with that?
I believe Coach T can coach wherever he wants.
He's a great in my mind. I think he could. I think he would be a great recruiter.
But at the end of the day, I don't think Coach T is wanting to deal with kids and go and to people.
Yeah, you're doing a lot of.
And do all of that stuff.
I think Coach T's been dealing with grown men, you know what I'm saying,
being able to, you know what I'm saying, you control what you can control.
That's the one thing I do love about Coach T.
He does treat you like an adult, you know what I'm saying?
And you think he can win a championship at Penn State?
I don't put it past him.
With his coaching ability, if he wants to do it, I think he could definitely do it.
I just think personally for Coach T, I think he could be able to still go to another NFL team
in a great situation like Andy Reid.
He left the Eagles.
Oh, no question.
If they were to let him go today, he'd have a, he, he'd have a job before the son was down.
Yeah, but a thousand percent.
But I think, I think you could do it.
I just don't know if he would want to and just all the other nuances that come with recruiting kids and like having to do the main thing and keep continuing to recruit him.
I think he's more.
N I L all that.
Yeah.
It's a different, it's a different background here right now, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you think?
You think a different animal?
I don't, I don't be honest with you.
I think he could be successful, for sure.
But how successful that could be, the background that changed.
Like, you know, you get a player and he doesn't, you know, he doesn't like what's going on in year one, year two.
He can be gone.
He can go transfer, you know what I'm saying?
And be out of there.
And so, I mean, it's just, it's a different, you know, it's a different landscape.
And, you know, I would definitely not.
want to be in college football, especially at the, like, big levels, even the small
levels, because you're going to lose, like, if you're at a smaller D1 and you get a guy,
you know, and you build him up, you're going to lose him.
You're molding them for the Texas, for the Alabama.
I mean, that's just, you know, that's just what it is now in this, you know, in this landscape.
So, but, um, distillers are playing the Ravens.
Now, listen, yes, I know I said, I know I said I lost hope, but I can't help but hope.
I don't know why.
I do know.
Because you love it.
Historically, we do play the Ravens well, okay?
Like, minus the last, the playoff game.
And, you know, maybe the last game we played them in 2024, you know, if you look back, I think go to maybe 21.
I think we're like six and two, regular season.
Okay.
Okay. That's six and two rudder season.
Like, we play well against Lamar for the most part.
So that's one of the things that gives me hope.
And then the way the Ravens offense has been playing the last few weeks,
I feel like we can win this game.
But the defense has to stop the run.
We have to stop Derek Henry and Lamar.
And I just feel like right now, you know, they're not playing too well.
So I think we've got an opportunity.
But we also better be prepared to face the formation that the bills ran on us in
and do the exact same personnel because this is a copycat league.
And if that is not fixed, I promise you, they're going to run that at least a half a dozen times.
before they go away from it
because this is going to be a lot harder
to tackle Derek Henry
coming off like that
than it is with cooks.
And you got a DB trying to tackle Derek.
It ain't about getting the tab.
We might lose the DB to.
And if they don't do it,
if the Ravens don't even try it or do it,
that got to be like neglect by the coaches.
If they don't at least try it
because you just seen them do it 20 plus,
if not 30 times.
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And have success.
And again, the offense can't turn the ball over.
And we have to have some sort of success on the offensive side.
Rather, it's running, passing.
We have to find a way to win time.
We've got to find a way to win time of possession, bro.
We got to.
We got to at least try and get a defense sometime to rest.
Debo, you're acknowledging the offense exists.
I have to.
I appreciate this.
We have to, though.
We have to.
You know, we have to.
Because I'm hoping the same thing.
I'm hoping the same thing.
I'm thinking with the defense, understanding,
Lamar Jackson is not 100% right now.
You know what I'm saying?
He isn't being able to.
Even if he doesn't choose to,
he's not running the ball the way that he was running the ball normally,
like taking off being able to get it.
I'm not saying that he can't,
but we need to make sure that we.
But we got to make sure we don't have that same game plan
that we had in the playoffs.
where we got our outside linebackers crashing down
and trying to get to a dive
and you leaving Lamar and one-on-one with the sake,
that's not going to happen every, that's not, that's not, that's not, I understand.
We need to, I understand what the,
with the schematics that you're talking about,
we can change, we can switch that up,
but I'm just saying we need to still go eight in the box.
There's not, I'm not liking them,
make them have to beat us with the past game through the air.
Yes.
Cover three, sing.
Make Lamar beat us through his own.
In the air, defense, contain, rushing lanes.
Don't let him get in and out.
They're not really going to be out there beating us man-to-man one-on-one.
Or if they do, I like, I like it.
Let's do it.
I'm taking that.
I'm taking that.
I'm taking that all that.
I'm putting an eight in the box all day.
We don't want to see Derek Henry and then.
When we get down, we want to win first down, win second down.
They're third and longs.
I like to see them pass the ball and we contain Lamar in there and make it fold in the pocket.
Let's do that.
If that's the case, I like us to go out there and win.
Then you said offense, too.
Don't turn the ball over.
Be able to get some run game going.
You know what I'm saying?
Get the ball to Washington.
Get the ball to D.K.
Once you get that run game going, those play actions will work.
Bang, hit it in the middle.
We have Washington.
We have D.K.
Let's use them.
Let's get the ball to Gainwell's hands.
Like, offense, like you said, matriculate.
Don't turn it over.
Don't hurt us.
You know what I'm saying?
Just make sure, you know what I'm saying?
Keep it tight.
It's going to be cold.
It's going to be wet.
It's going to be sloppy.
So time of possession, being able to just have the ball,
keeping it out of their hands.
You know what I'm saying?
It's going to be good.
So ugly win, just go out there and win.
Nobody's looking for a pretty win, but we just know we don't want the ball to be getting
ran down on our throats where they're just walking it down and there's nothing we can do.
It's first and ten.
Now it's second and three.
Now it's another first down.
Now it's like you can't get your feet under you.
You know what I'm saying?
So with them, like us two, Debo, if they're coming out and 11 personnel, bump it.
We're still going base because.
Hey, we got that third receiver they got.
Our, we'll take a safety going to cover him something,
but we're not going to print another little guy.
We want to stop the run and then we're going to be able to cover them
with our 3dbs that's out here or our other strong safety that's in the box.
We're not just going to have so many little bodies and another nickel.
Nah, nah, because he's going to get thrown out the club and we wonder why it's so many gaps.
No, you got to be able to maintain.
They're not used to having to coming down and fill into the line.
Like, that's not what they do.
Yes, they can do it on occasion.
But if it's talking, they ran the same play, what, 30 times?
30 times.
You're going to have to get a stop.
Like, come on.
We're going to have to get that stop, man.
And like you said, the offense has to do something.
But I guess Pat Friermude said that everyone shows up for a film session.
What do you think of him saying that?
So now my thing is this, if he's saying that, that everyone shows up, then in essence, he's calling Aaron a liar.
And how do you think that is going to, how you think Aaron is going to take that, you know, when it really comes down to it?
Like, so when the media goes to Aaron, he's like, well, you know, Pat said that everyone shows up.
So you're either wrong or you're lying.
I know Aaron Rogers ain't going to be talking about like I'm I'm lying or I ain't going like I don't know why Aaron would say it if it wasn't true and I don't understand why Pat would come out and say that what Aaron said wasn't true like right now you you could have an issue in a locker room dude I like this is not again when I said early in the season dude I was like as long as they're winning the relationship with the Steelers.
Mike Town and Aaron Rogers, it's going to go, it's going to go good.
The relationship with Aaron Rogers and Mike Tom and the Stills, it'll go good.
Right now, we're at a point where this could start going bad.
And now we got some deception right here.
We got one person saying one thing, another person saying something else.
You know, I think it could start to get ugly.
You know, you drop this game, who knows what, you know, the presser looks like.
What do you, how do you feel about, about Firemooth coming out and saying that?
And what's your thought?
What do you think?
I don't think Aaron Rogers is lying about people missing the meetings.
I think the FireMoof is saying that.
I mean, I think if A-R-R-R-I would respond, it would be, I ain't say you.
It wasn't you, FireMove.
You were in the meetings.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't think he's just directly talking to him.
He didn't say, he said, everyone shows up for film sessions.
That is his.
He said, everyone shows up.
well like he was directly talking to the media when they at everyone shows up for film sessions
unless everyone shows up what he's saying maybe I don't know I would hope I don't know I think he was
saying like everyone shows up now I don't think I just don't think Aaron Rogers would lie about
people missing the meetings and I would just think fire moof is trying to okay and what were
talking about early in the season where the dolphins were talking about they were having meetings
look where we at now and then someone says there
not having the meetings.
Now you got people pointing the fingers.
Yeah.
You pointing at me.
You pointing at me.
Who?
Yeah.
It's not good, obviously.
But, yeah, I mean, it's just messy.
It's messy because it makes an air of answer about who are you talking about.
Then he says everyone's showing up.
I don't know.
It just for me, you know what I'm saying?
What was the question asked the fire move?
If he's like bringing up, they was like, hey, who's is, is everyone not showing up the film sessions?
And if I was like, no, everybody's showing up to film sessions.
It's like, then it's the next question.
What A-Rod said, people aren't shown up the film sessions.
Like, it just makes more and more questions.
Like, it's going to, yes, it's going to get messy.
It's going to get messy, you know.
Like, we're not doing well on the offense.
And that's a combination of, I think, more old coordinator than anything else.
And then players not making plays when the opportunities hit, you know,
present you know you go and you look at russell wilson and erin rogers and their stats are similar
do we got the stats for them to from like their their stats are similar brother and then even if
you jump back dude and you look at you look at justin's fields i think Justin fields had only started
maybe like six games or something but again quarterback rating was like a 93 94 something like that
11,200, 1,200 yards.
Off his quarter, I got to go.
What you running ain't working.
Everybody looking the same.
We got three quarterbacks.
Everybody looking the same in the same time frame with the same amount of games.
Mm-hmm.
And then look, 11 games is not a small.
It's right.
It's not like a little bit of games.
And like I said, the same thing.
You look at, you look at Justin Fields.
He had six.
11, 1,200 yards, 93, 94 quarterback rating.
We're looking at the same thing.
Yeah.
They got to, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the same.
That's the same, that they're not the same man.
That's the play call.
And we got to open up the playbook.
We got to have people, like, when you, when I was watching the game the other day,
like when we were watching the lions and you're watching the,
and you're watching the Cowboys, just the playbooks.
Do you see them going down field, that still through for, even though we threw one picking,
it was 370 something.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm chill.
And, my man, um, golf.
dude for 309.
Like, very, very efficient.
25 completion, 3.09.
It's not like, and that's just another day of the office.
Dude, you know what I'm saying?
They're throwing the ball down the field.
We're, I don't, bro.
And every quarterback is doing the same thing.
Three different levels of quarterbacks now.
There's no way you're going to tell me we just got bad players, black quarterback,
played bad offense, and all that.
And everybody's looking the same, under the same.
come on it's a lot of it's a lot of route tree because you look at them too you see james and
these dudes running different routes you see ammaras st brown
we're we're running on the outside of the field we i think we are allergic to the middle
of the field is something in there that i don't know somebody go catch the cooties or something
i don't know what's going on brother and i think they may not be respecting our play action
because you got to think that they're going to run it first you can't respect the play action
if you're not running the ball successfully that's a person that's a percent that's
That's why the back's not open.
So you gotta, yeah.
We just gotta, yeah.
Dude, that's not gonna happen.
Let's get over here to Cleveland, man.
We got, we got, we got some sound on what, what Jerry Judy said.
You got that, play that video for us, please.
Probably taught them off camera, you know?
That's probably I would have done different.
You know, of course, I'm gonna speak with mine and tell me what,
and say what I need, what I see out there.
But, you know, you know, here what it is football, man.
Me and Shaddaq, you know, it's stuff like that happens, you know.
Y'all going to make it bigger than what it is, you know, because the media, you know,
and that's what you feed off of negativity, you know, but it is what it is.
This is the life you live, so, you know, we move on for it.
And I live in real life, you know, so what happened around in this locker room, you know,
this is real, not what's going on on that social media and everything.
So me and Shaddoer good, everything good, man, we're great real build.
How you like that response?
Joe, Joe.
I hear you.
I'm thinking.
You're thinking.
How you like that response, Thibault?
I like the response.
I ain't gonna lie to you.
Like, I ain't got no problem with it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, he's just saying he would have approached it differently.
I mean, he's not really thinking that the cameras is looking.
Ain't nobody thinking the camera's looking at you when you talk to somebody on the sideline.
Y'all going over what's, you know, what's going on?
And the big issue that we had was just if you go get that energy to do or give it to everybody else.
He just said, yo, I should have did it differently.
Cool.
But again, I understand.
Yes, the media over there.
Their media, yes, they're trying to make a big deal of everything.
Yes.
Them dudes just looking for it, click bait, and everything else.
Yeah.
The, him saying it, yeah, you might, you ain't have to say it.
You could have just left it going and just been like, yo, yeah, I'll handle it different next time or blah, blah, blah, and left the media out of it.
And don't even give them any, give them any attention.
Yeah.
I'm not mad at all that.
the way that he handled it.
It's just, I think that he realized, too, at the end of the day, like, you're losing games.
People are always going to try to pick the negativity from us outside perspective.
I like to start doing this because I really want to give just an honest opinion.
Like, I don't give it to them what, like, the bad, the good.
I just want to be able to speak.
Well, you're giving honest opinions, though.
Give me your honest opinion on this Tennessee Titans Browns game.
What's you, what's the preview?
Tell me.
I like the Browns.
1,000%.
1,000%.
I think that this is going to be a big game for the Browns.
Tennessee's offense isn't doing too well.
Ward is not out there with the most weapons with a lot of help.
I think our defense is going to be out there smothering Ward.
He's not going to have too much of a chance.
Like, Miles might go get him three.
You know what I'm saying?
Denzel Ward might get him a pick.
It's just going to be a lot of...
Miles at 19, right?
Miles at 19.
miles a 19 he'd get 25 he could be a 25 you're saying you're trying to get you want
miles to go get six in this game I'm gonna go get six I'm gonna go get six I know he's
gonna at least get three if he miles you don't get six I ain't you ain't to do it I thought you
would you're see that's that uh you're trying to get them going thank you Debo I like
them some uh I like see I like see I like seeing Saps I like yeah Tennessee defense is
not good dude I think they're like 25th wow the offense makes them look way better
They're dead last.
All the defense need to do is keep doing what they're doing.
And the offense needs to just have success.
Like this right here is the team that you need to actually help you improve.
Like, they're not dead last.
Hey, listen, I'm trying to tell you, I think this is the game.
Where's your door goes head and has him a nice game.
Of course, you do Junkins, Jenkins, Jenkins, whatever.
He's going to get him 100 plus.
Got to.
Like, it's set up.
It's perfect.
Like, it's going to be probably, this could be the best game the Browns have had in the last,
I don't know how many years, man.
It's set up for it.
It's set up for success.
It's set up for us to really go out there and ball out.
I'm just hoping, too, like, the offensive, like, it starts with the offensive line.
It starts the offensive line on the, offensive line.
I know our defense going to hoop, but on the offensive.
offensive side, if our offensive line can get Juckins going, protect your door a little bit,
and that's the door, we got to make, dude, the defense is not, they should be able to,
that's what I'm trying to tell you, it's set up.
The defense going to do it.
I'm just saying for the offense.
I'm talking about the offense, their defense is, what, 24, 25, dude, it's set up for
them to have a successful game, like, this is go, go.
This time, I believe, this game, yeah, I think this game going to be a good one, bro.
It's going to be a real good game.
Dude, it's going, it's going to be a good one.
I'm trying to tell.
Go on, Dee, boy.
Look that set up, brother.
You know what time it is.
It is play or fade presented by power picks, baby.
Prize picks, sorry.
Cut.
Yes, sir.
I made my line-ups for more picks for Sundays, for Sundays games.
Now, you either play or you fade, you tell me why.
You go like what I didn't do here.
I promise you, you're like what I did.
100%.
Now, I got Josh Allen, I got him more, okay?
The reason I got Josh Allen more, he's going against Cincinnati.
That's easy.
That's easy.
Now, hey, here you go.
Here you go.
I got Junkins for Mo.
I got Shadot for Mo.
I think this is going to be the game
that Shaddo will go on here and get him 200.
He'll get him 200 passing, okay?
He'll get into it.
Listen, Junkins going for a buck and some chains.
I got them two for Mo.
That's going to be easy.
And I ain't going to lie to you.
Wow.
I'm hoping I lose this.
I got Derek Henry for Mo, for Mo, 82.
I got him for Mo.
D, I got him for Mo.
I'm saying he going to run for a buck and some chains.
What you go do?
Stand up, drop your nuts.
Hey, man, that's crazy word.
You're going to fade this, Joe.
Man, Debo, am I, am I messed up if I, if I, like, it's just the bottom one.
You really feel, you really feel like that's going to happen, or is this you playing mind game?
I feel like it's going to happen.
Okay.
How many times Andy got 100 against us that he played?
I think it's only once.
Should I play?
Should I fade?
I love everything about this except for the last one.
Why you go fade me then, Joe?
Tell me why, Joe.
Because I believe that they know
that's the only way we're going to stop the run the only way we're going to beat the ravens
because we're going to stop the run you go fade your boy you fade me your boy
just say it joe i'm a fade you dbo i'm a fade you bro wow joe go fade me look here man make sure
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Joe then faded me.
Who you're going to go with?
Me or Joe?
Joe or Debo?
Joe.
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Let's get it.
Hey, man, look, we're in the Super Chapman.
Hey, Covenant Life back.
Covenant Life back.
Oh, Lord.
I don't even know one really with Covene like the City.
Cove's Life, too.
$50, a, hey, we appreciate you now.
We appreciate you.
okay it says debo you are a lion when i was fighting triple when i was fighting stage triple
when i was fighting stage three breast cancer your workouts help no i didn't do them but in my
mind i knew i had to push and fight and use you and just as you were doing lifting all those
weights joe you are just a person of great class you're just a person of great class joe thank you
Thank you. Hey, we really appreciate you. I hope, you know, I hope everything turns out
right. I'll be praying for you. Prayers first and foremost. Joe and myself will be praying
for you. For sure. Yes. Yeah. Hopefully everything will turn out right and, you know, just put it all
in God's hands and you can't go wrong there. Yeah, for sure. Appreciate you coming in life
always. Yes, definitely. Keep doing my prayers. Stay prayed up. And yeah, appreciate you for watching the show,
though, real talk, man.
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Come on, man.
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