Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Patriots keep rolling vs. Jets + Eagles-AJ Brown drama continues

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Drake Maye and the New England Patriots defeated Justin Fields and the New York Jets. Later, they react to AJ Brown's ongoing frustration with the Philadelphia Eagles offense, Jacksonville Jaguars rookie Travis Hunter's season-ending knee injury, Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin on Aaron Rodgers durability, and much more NFL news heading into Week 11 of the 2025 NFL season!  Timeline:00:00 - Patriots beat Jets19:00 - Steelers-Bengals Preview24:30 - Bleacher Report names Lamar Jackson most overrated QB27:00 - NFL files grievance over NFLPA Report Cards38:00 - AJ Brown-Eagles drama continues40:26 - Travis Hunter season-ending surgery48:00 - Jahmyr Gibbs closing in on Barry Sanders Record (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Hey, please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? Bro, I'm doing good, brother, Debo.

Another day talking to my good man, chopping it up about this good football. How are you doing, brother? I'm doing extremely good, man, extremely good. Let's go ahead and jump on to this, man. The Patriots went on ahead and beat the Jets. Was that 27 to 14? I ain't lied to you, brother.

I didn't think it was going to be that close. Me either. I'm absolutely surprised 100%. Especially with, you know, how it started off. Like, they won the toss and actually was like, yo, we're taking a ball. We're about to go run this ball and do what we've got to do and score. Dude, they come out the gate.

First play, they go on ahead, hit the quick for six, second and three. They got third and one. You know, they really just staying ahead of the change the whole time. They get 11. I think Fields end up scrambling the next play. Yep. And I think he scrambled again for like 15 or something. Yes, bro.

He was using his legs. Him and Bryce hole. Yeah, yeah. The next third down, the thing was like third and five. Like I said, they kept everything close. They ended up picking up that hot little seven. Mm-hmm. You know, and then I don't know the, what was that?

The receiver pass, like, why would you break that up with trying to do that to Fields? Like, I don't understand. I thought they was going to kill them, you know, their momentum right there. Yeah. Yeah, but they ended up able to pick up, I think it was 10 on that third down. Mm-hmm. And then, I think, Fields ended up running it in. Yeah, like you, on that first drive.

they got end up getting the touchdown. That was impressive because they haven't been doing too much of nothing. I was happy with field, being able to create some stuff using his legs, Bryce Hall being able to use his arm. And then on the touchdown, you just saw his athleticism. He didn't make the right play with drawing that thing back. But he's just faster. He's just more athletic than the outside lineback.

He was in great position and just was able to beat him to the pylon. So like you said, I wasn't expecting too much from the Jets. Oh, but that was good to see for them. Oh, no question. Dude, they used up, what was it, a little over eight minutes on the 14 play drive, dude. Walked it down. That's the way you do it. Like you said, staying ahead of the sticks was the biggest thing.

They didn't really get too much behind. Yeah, yeah, no question. New England, they get back out there and they kind of did what I expected, you know. I think it was second and 10. You know, he ended up hitting digs for like eight. And then they get that unnecessary roughness on that same play for him. slamming, dude. That's why I was saying, dude, I ain't know how I do that penalty, man. Why they didn't hit Pierre?

Yeah, that wasn't even egregious on that one, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And they, you know, they do the same thing, you know, trying to stay ahead of the sticks. They get a seven-yard run and then end up getting a loss on that next play, I think, like two yards, sorry. And the fourth down, they go on head. And fourth and two, they put it in, they put it in old Drake hands. He connect for seven. I think he had a little scramble too on second down for what about four or five he looked poised bro he looked poised to me

the whole time he looked on the control unbelievable dude Henderson Henderson been doing good though yeah he ran completely over that safety on that first down right yes he did like completely over and then later you know went and scored the touchdown I think it was like seven yards or something like that.

I think they almost used up like seven and a half minutes on their drive. Bro, the first two drives took up the first, then in the first quarter. It was. It was the whole first quarter. The whole first quarter, they got drive, drive, touchdown, you know what I'm saying? So, offense is playing, offensive is playing well. Yeah, for sure. Just get back out there and Patriot's defense tightened up a little bit.

They don't let them get nothing on that first down. So they looked behind the change. I think that was when they went for the pass on the second downfields through like low and outside, so a dude really couldn't adjust to get. to it, that put them behind, they end up punting the ball, New England come back out. And then I think on that first play, he hit the tight-in Henry for like 20, 25, something like that. Dude, the play action ate them up right there, for real, for real. Yeah.

It was the first, like you said, they was able to get back out there and just drive it down again. They look smooth the whole time. They first tried, like, it looked easy. It looked real easy. You know what, man, it's something that kind of worried me. Like, that second down where May took off of that scramble, his slide game is trash, dude. He can learn how to get down.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he don't learn how to get down, man, somebody go catch him. No, no, for sure, for sure. Because he's not the most athletic guy. He looks like he's about to get smacked when he's running, so you want him to get down quicker. Dude, like his slide, even the first one where he scrambled, his slide game was bad.

Like, this one, like, dude could have, he could have shot him. him, but he didn't. Yeah, no, for sure. I think he hit Henry again on the third down for about 12. And then, what was it, the second down, I think it was. Dude, he worked the pocket, dude. He didn't panic. He didn't do nothing.

Who was the Hollis he hit for 19? Yep. Br, I'm like, this dude is really. And then again, the next play was 20 for Hollis. Yes, bro. He's poised in the pocket. He's poised. Henderson, he went on ahead, got him another, well,

It was a seven-yard touchdown for sure? Yeah, it was seven. Seven and seven. They go up 14-7 to just get up out of there. I think they ended up having a positive run on the first down. Like, they were staying ahead of the change. And then I think it was like a one-yard pass or something. And then the third down, the receiver, dude, he just dropped the ball.

Yes. Yeah, he just dropped the ball, man. Like, you know, you've got times where he's, you know, he's putting it into people's hands. They're not dropping it. And then times where guys are open and he's just not getting it there. Yeah. You know. That, Debo, that's the thing when you're not a good enough offensive team to waste those downs.

Like, if you're the Lions, you got, you're going to make it supposed to plays every down. There's a chance for you to score. When you're playing on this team, you got to stay ahead of the sticks. You don't have nobody that's going to take it to the house when they get it. You can't miss those passes. And then when people, when it hits you in the hands, it's like, God, damn, we can't win losing like if we do have it we got to catch it we can't waste that yeah for sure new england get back out there they do a little something but i want to talk about that third down he he almost

gave digs one of them what you called them blue tent balls yes you know what i'm saying and it wouldn't even matter if he had caught it because i think they got a uh a hold on that that the uh jet's decline he would he tried to give him a protocol ball oh man dude they end up punting the rock the Let's get back out there. I think that was when they did like a three and out. Yeah, it was three and out, something like that. The ball. But I think that was again where like a third down where Justin could have, yes, he threw it like off behind him.

He could have placed the ball better. Like if he had put it like on him, he wouldn't have to try and adjust. I think that was like he was doing that little trying to turn with that little circus catch. He couldn't adjust to that thing. He got to put that ball. He got to throw a better ball on that way. Oh, yeah. I want to do it 100%.

100%. New England to get back out there. I think the Jets ended up having 12 men on the field the first play. And then I think, what was it, a holding penalty they ended up getting later on. And they had a, no, jet sacked him. And then that's what happened. Jet sacked him. But it got took away because, hey, man, dude was having a rough night over there, man.

All the holding penalties and all the other stuff he had going on. Yes. dude was having a rough night man like this is just the first that just started off with that dude and then you know again man like may like the next play 27 I think that was it that's when uh nope that's when they attempted to field goal oh they missed it yeah they missed the field goal bro yeah that was it ended up what was it half time it was 14 14-7? Yep, something about right. Yeah, for sure. And then New England got the ball. They went back out there. And they, I don't think they did anything with it. Their first possession out. And then later on, Jets got back out. They really did. I think they had a unnecessary roughness on that third down that pushed them back a little bit. Yeah, because that was when the punter ended up doing a little short punt. And they got the ball back and, you know, May started doing doing some May things.

Like, I think he hit Hollis for 17 on the first one. A couple plays later, I think it was Diggs for like 20. Yep. Again, dude, he was working the pocket. Like, I don't know how he didn't panic. Like, he got good, he got good pocket presents, bro. He looks. Dude, year two, like that.

He advanced like that. Yeah, that's why. I think he had Diggs again. that was 18 right after that. My boy, Dez had a hundred ball. Yo, yeah. They end up finishing with a touchdown.

Henderson again. It's 21-7. I'm thinking things about to get a blue-woken right here. But just get back out there. And somehow, they go ahead and get them a touchdown. Again, I think they were staying, you know, that next thing they were staying ahead of the chains.

I think they had a big play on that one, too. I think third down, they ended up completing one for a little over 20. where the DB ended up falling. Yep. That got them 1421. And then New England came out. And I thought it was going to be like, okay, Jets go have a chance to come back.

Because the first play was a hole. So now you first and 20, I think it was you didn't gain nothing on the second play. So on that first down, actually, after that first down went to first and 20. So it was like second and 20. he made another play to the titanium was getting him some stuff dude he got 10 he got like half of it back on that point and then

the what was that? That was when dude ended up didn't tap yeah he didn't tap dude down yeah he didn't tap him down he got up and we were able to make the play when he caught it didn't matter it was still going to be your first down it was it was but then you just

like you got that's NFL you're a DB that's what you learn you know what I'm saying it's not college football just touch him Yeah, because y'all ended up getting a sack, and they went, they had to, you know, attempt to 40, what was it, 45, 46-yard field goal, something like that? Hit this one. Yeah, yeah, you get that one. It was, what, 14 to 24 then. I think the judges get back out there, basically do a little bit of nothing.

I mean, Fields made a great pay on that third down, you know, to get the first, but that was really it. They ended up throwing in, what was it, a negative two, three-yard street. screen and then in completion punt the ball back to to new england and i think the first play they had like 20 25 of digs that ended up helping him out the next play was like a negative what was it five-yard run was that a receiver run or something i think it was they ended up putting the ball back to the jets and the jets get the low snap instead of him just dropping down on the ball he tried to pick it up bumble it new england goes head recovers it from near i thought that was going to score a touchdown i don't know how do you what was

they had like the 10 11 12 something like that yes and they end up holding them they get a field go i mean it's still what like almost seven minutes left by then they they had a had opportunity I guess you could say and they come back out there and I think they sack fields on the first play second down I think he completed one for like maybe 10 or 11

or something like that and then third down you know I don't know how he avoided that sack that's the one where he avoided that sack bro like getting he scrambled for the first down

I thought so that was it. that was the one yes because it's the fourth now it's only what six seven minutes left something like that at the beginning of when they started to drive and then i think he ended up getting like one for 18 he scrambled for another one um and then what was it was it the you know it was a sack and then they ended up going ahead and had an incompletion turn over and down this is really over with after that, man. That game, Debo, once it got to the 2714, I ain't really even peep.

I ain't really, I ain't going to lie to you. I kind of cut that joke off, Devo. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, it's, you know, it's over with, man. It's a done, it's a done deal, man. Yeah, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't nothing else that they could do. They could do to help him, man. The Patriots, dude, like, Drake Mae, though, he has elevated his game. Like, yes.

Like, you look. at last year, his total numbers last year, I think he was just under 2,300 yards, 15 touchdowns with 10 picks, bro. Like, he had 10 picks. This year already he had a little over 2,800.

He got 20 touchdowns, only five interceptions, like almost a 6% increase in his completion ratio. Plus, like, two, almost two, two plus more yards per attempt. His passer rating is out of

control he's up over 25% from last year last year he was like 88 this year he won 13 his pocket awareness his intelligence like his consistency and being able to get like the ball to people especially under pressure like with people in his face it's dude it's unbelievable like it's no way he is not MVP if he continues this dude no for sure i mean he's been leading their team the nine and two and i love that the fact that i think also the coaching staff Mike Grable, and then Josh McDaniels. He might not have been the best head coach, but offensive coordinator-wise,

being able to talk to the quarterback, being able to have a relationship with May, because May looks comfortable back there. He looks like he's dropping back. When he hits that back foot, he knows where to go with it. He knows where he wants to go. He's looking like he's reading the defenses.

So it looks like a whole team game. He looks comfortable. So I'm loving the way that the Patriots are looking. And then at the same time, on the defensive side of the ball, that corner they got Gonzales, and just dudes running around making plays. You don't see people kind of running Scott Free.

Fields was able to run around because he's got speed. He was able to use his legs. But yards-wise, like, they didn't really do too much. You know what I'm saying? And then just the comfortability of when New England's out there on offense, just trying to get it done. May's not making mistakes. He's getting the ball where it needs to be done.

Getting the ball. Trey Henderson, rookie. Like, if you're getting that type of performance from your back, too. And then when I'm looking at the receivers, Digg had 100 yards. They got the receiver number 13. and doesn't really wear shoes, he's out there, he's out there bawling. So they're not like the best of the best.

Like you don't have, like, they don't have a Jamar Chase and the T. Higgins. He's throwing it to just some guys that are in good spots, running good routes. He's putting out. They got digs now. Stop playing. No, no, I'm not knocking diggs like digs is number one, but Diggs is like, what you say Diggs is like Jamar Chase right now in his career. You know what I'm saying?

Like he's a great, great receiver. He's going to be on point doing this thing like he's doing right now. But I'm just saying, like, they don't have crazy crazy. receivers out there, but Drake May is putting the ball on the point. The dudes are making plays. They're running the right routes. They're not dropping the ball when it hits them in the hands. You know what I'm saying?

So I just love the way the pictures are working and Josh McDaniels and the coach, Mike, was like Mike Grable. They've been doing a great job. Yeah, yeah. I think him coming back really helped improve that defense. They're giving up, I think, just under or over 300 yards a game where last year they were almost at like 420. So, yeah, that's a, that's a great.

great improvement. What you think about the Jets? Speaking of improvement. The Jets? Yeah. They're in trouble. Yeah. Jets in trouble. They need to figure out.

And then they just got rid of their best players on defense. They got rid of, you know what I'm saying? They got rid of my man Soss and Quinn Williams. And then on the receiver side, on offensive side of the ball, I mean, you got Justin Fields. He's thrown for, I love Fields, but sometimes you throw for 27 yards. 45 yards, 54 yards. You know what I'm saying?

That's just not what an NFL quarterback's yard is just supposed to look like. You know what I'm saying? And now it doesn't, what's my man named? The receiver number five, the best one, Wilson. He's out. He's on IR. So I don't know what's going on with it. It's looking kind of bad over there.

Yeah, they, they, the biggest thing I think for them is, especially right now, they got to stay ahead of the sticks. They don't stay ahead of the sticks. They don't have an ability to get charged. place. I think he's last in airtime yards. They're not really throwing a ball down the field and not protecting him well. You know, it's a lot of, you know, things that's going on there. Rather, it's him being able to get the ball there. And then when he gets the ball there, they drop the ball. They can't afford to miss the opportunities to catch those things and come back from it

because they're not built that. You're not good enough. You know, it's cool to be, you know, one in the rush and all that, but, you know, you're dead last in the past. You can't, you can't make that up. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's extremely hard to make up. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah.

So, speaking of, just right here, still. Yes, sir. We play. We play, we play, we play, we, I ain't gonna say, I ain't gonna say, I ain't gonna say bongas because I said, yeah, said that last time and they, they, they had to do. We played, we played the, uh, Strong Bengals. Cincinnati Bengals.

Cincinnati Bengals. What we're going to do is put some respect on their name. We're going to put some respect on their name, but what we really need to do to win this game? It's simple. It's simple what we need to do to win this game, man. We have to stop the run, period. We gave up 140 plus yards last time, and we have to sack Joe Flacko. Not pressure him, we have to sack him because Joe will start.

stand in the pocket and throw that thing. He's not going to be a dude that's going to shake out the pocket and get off on us. So, hey, listen, take some liberties in that past game. Because if we go and we sack Joe, then we don't let Jamar Chase get 160 plus on us. You know what I'm saying? Something else we need to do is don't be leaving our DBs out there one-on-one on this dude all the time. Like, we used to have a defense with Coastal Bowles there. It was called Double the Stars.

Yes, sir. I know about that. Two of them guys, okay? That means that you take away that. As long as your pass rush is there and getting there, it negates all of that. Like we have to play situationally better when it counts. And offensively, we need to run the ball. It opens up the run, gang.

The Bengals' defense are still dead last in the run. And second to last in the past. we have to take advantage of that. Debo, you're speaking facts, my brother. You're speaking straight facts right now because what we need to do is the defense, we got to be able to double the stars. Like you said, we have to be able to take away the past with,

we can't lie and just sit here and act like Jemar Chase and T. Higgins aren't amazing. They're going to make their plays. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. They're going to make their plays, but you can't let them take over the game. No, no, no, Debo, we're saying the same thing.

That's why I'm saying I'm acknowledging that you have to double the stars. I'm talking to them. So when I'm saying with our run game, we have to stop the run game with our linebackers and D-line. Knowing, at the end of the day, if you stop this shit on first down, we got to stay ahead of the six to know. We're doubling stars. They're not going to be able to just, Joe Flacco, he's throwing the ball to two people. Higgins and Jamar Chase. Those are the dudes averaging the touchdowns.

Jamar Chase has five touchdowns since Flacco's been out there and Higgins has six. He's thrown 12. He's throwing one touchdown to other people. So he's getting them dudes to the rock. Chase is averaging 90 yards a game. So our front seven needs to stop the run game. Stop Chase Brown. Be able to get us in second and long, third and longs to where now we know we're doubling these stars.

Get after them, T.J. Now, Hossman, if you have your opportunity, if you don't win first and second down, we can't really get you to go get them. now we put them in predictable knowing this passing situations we're going to double higgins we're going to double jemar chase other dudes y'all gotta get open we got to get up and tj high smith get after him you know what i'm saying so like you sack him hit him you know what i'm saying make him feel you you know what i'm saying strip sacks you know what i'm saying so i'm with you we definitely need to stop the run with just our front knowing like they can't run on us because

on the outside our corners and safety we're going to need to be able to double them dudes and take away their best players because a bomb. Our front seven got to stop the run. Our front seven got to stop the run and we're going to be able to have to, our DBs are going to have to double up and stand up versus these dudes. Not just saying single coverage, that's not realistic. If we let you double them a couple

of times, you know what I'm saying, play some zones underneath, like, like, situationally. Situationally, yes. So we speaking the same thing on offensive side of the ball. I run the ball. Be able to start ahead of the sticks. Be able to now a rock can do a play action. If we can run the rock and keep the deep.

defense on the field, we keep our defense off the field. We need to control the time of possession. I don't really care. The defense need to do what the defense is supposed to do. We ain't spent all this money for nothing. And you know what? Because I know they go do it. Joe, we're giving away four tickets.

Yes. Two sets of two to the game this Sunday. You know what you got to do. Follow Joe, myself. Like and subscribe to Debo and Joe. And we will pick the winner. on Saturday, because we want you there to see us go on here and get our get back. Okay?

Got to. Because we lost the first game, and we got to go get that get back. Got to get back. Got to. Got to get that get back. Matter of fact, matter of fact, no, I ain't going to say nothing. Not yet. Not yet.

Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Let's go on here and stay over here. Let's go on here and stay over here, you know, in the AOC right here on the north. They said Lamar Jackson overrated, bro.

They said he the most overrated quarterback. Who said, who said, who said, who said that stupid stuff? That's a garbous mouth lie. That's a garbous mouth lie. They may be talking about just sitting in the pocket not being able to use none of your other talents. I don't know. I wouldn't, he could still throw the rock, too. I mean, he's still throw the rock.

I don't, I don't know. So I believe, I believe your Browns are playing the, Ravens. So, Joe, what do your Browns need to do to beat the Ravens? I'm actually rooting for y'all this time. Well, first things first, we need to, it sounds like we need to do, we need to control, we need to run the ball first. Be able to run the ball. We need to get Juckins going. We need to be ahead of the sticks, all the same. It's like a, like when your office isn't good, what you need to do is stay ahead of the sticks. Make sure your run game is. solid. Make sure you don't put yourself in long, third down situations because Dylan Gabriel has

shown us he can't really throw the rock to well. So what we need to do is stay ahead of the sticks. Defense, you got a ball out. Obviously, we need to turnovers. We need to stop to run. We need to create turnovers. We need to put our offense in short fields to try to get them to be able to not have to go that far to get points. So it's going to be a game where a defense, you can't, you can't really give up anything because at the end of the day, I don't trust our offense too much. So offense, in the end of us, Braven's defense has been playing better. They've been standing up a little bit more. So, and Lamar's back, healthy, they're coming off of a, they're rolling.

They won. They last four. So, I mean, we, what we need to do, our defense has to play out of their minds. Offense got to run the ball. And basically, that's our only, that's our only hope. That's your only hope. So you ain't too happy. You need to encourage that.

they're going to be able to do this. This is what I'm saying. This would be a game that we mess around and win. We always find a way to do some wild stuff. That's something I'm not going to fly to you. You know, when you least expect that we come out there and get a dub. I'm not mad. I think the effort's going to be there.

I'm just worried about end of the day. When we do get that ball on offense, I don't, I just don't want, he's been throwing the ball into the dirt a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, we got to get, I mean, and they say, he had 167 yards and two touchdowns with no picks last week, and everybody was saying that was a good game. I don't want to talk crazy because he didn't have zero picks, but there's been, when you throw a screen pass, like a throwback over the man's head, out of bounds, and he could have just caught the joint, like, that's just a bad pass.

Nobody was on you. I just see too many just. You could have made that pass, huh? Easy, Debo. I would have hit him right. Just, you know what I'm saying? You see, you feel, you feel, you hear that, hear that anger that rise in your voice. Oh, my gosh.

That's what I'm saying. I don't. I was chilling, too, until. I don't get that in the other side. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'm the only person there when it's weed and when it's distillers. But when it's y'all, you know, it's driving. You know what?

Because I would say it because I really believe that distillers are about to go out there and they should spank flaco. And that's going to be a good time. And it's really exciting because I think this is really going to happen. With the Browns right now, I just, I'm kind of like I'm hurt a little bit more. I'm hurt. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking.

I know my boys are there. out there, they're trying to fight him, but I'm like, God, it just, it's bad over there right now, so I'm just a little sad. You're grieving. Speaking of grieving, the NFL filed a grievance against the NFLPA for the report cards. I think, did you read it? Yes, yes. I think for the most part, I think it's bull.

They say it violates the collective bargaining agreement that the union, I think they said, quote, it was using reasonable efforts to cartel public comments by clubs, personnel, or players, which express criticism of any club, its coach, or its operations and policies. Like, no. No. It's the NFLPA. That means players association. We are not for the NFL.

Like, we're trying to make things for the players better. The NFL just doesn't. doesn't want their dirty laundry air out yeah like like now you know I understand it's a couple of the points in there that I can understand not even I maybe maybe even agree with to a point like like like like need to make sure it's actually players that's doing it yeah yes yes no you don't get the names you can get just player XYZ yeah yeah You know, he's a legitimate player. Right, he's a legitimate player.

Like, okay, I'm cool with that. Like, I do agree that it should be specific, you know, feedback to what the teams, you know, need to do what they need to improve. But it's still going to be a to F grading scale because it's going to be based on a percentage. Yeah. 10, 100 to 90 is a 8. 89, 80 is a B and so on and so forth. Yes. So, like, that is just what it's going to be?

This is what I'm saying, Deva, I'm up. The NFL doesn't want the dirty laundry out there. And this is the other thing, too. Like, NFL, like, when you go to these facilities and you do things, like, we're not trying to be bougie. Certain teams, if you walk into the Browns facilities compared to walking into the distillers facilities, I'm not going to grade the stiller facilities. Like, oh, no, it's trash.

It's just not as nice as it's luxury as the other stuff would be. So they have all the accommodations, food. You're going to be honest and let them know what it is. But certain places have better things and take care of the players more. If everybody get up to the same level, then you don't have a discrepancy in your grading scale. Just get your stuff up to the level. This is why I need to be NFLPA executive director, like point blank period. And you know what?

My dude, Cam Hayward, is on the executive committee. And from what I understand, my name has to be. he put on the ballot by someone that is on the committee. And he said he would do that. Oh, I'm hoping that he did that. And I would, you know, I would be on the board. He definitely did it.

And I would love, like I said, I don't know. I'm just assuming that if my name was on it, I would have had some type of contact by now, but I haven't. Okay, okay. So, I'm, you know, I'm just, you know, I don't know. I'm not saying he has or he hasn't, but when you have, you know, Jalen Reeves Mabin as the current NFLPA president like nobody even knows so if my name doesn't make it on the final players you know vote ballot for executive

director I'm thinking it got to be something up you know yeah yeah because to be honest what you do here it goes the NFLPA a lot of them people over there that work for the NFLPA, want to work for the NFL. Okay. Prime example being, go back. Troy Vincent. Troy Vincent worked for the NFLPA and went to the NFL. Here's the crazy thing.

He blew his cover, though, when we were doing the collective bargaining agreement for the 2011. Charles Woodson and Ryan Clark, R.C., Woodson actually said, we thought he was for us. I knew he wasn't for us. R.C. said absolutely lost credibility. this is when they ended up getting to Marcus Smith

who by the way went and set rules in place that we have now that actually took the power away from the players to make the decisions of who they wanted to vote for and put it into basically

a committee or board that he picked that would actually pick who the person was he would run against in the re-elections when that time came. game. So that basically ensured that he would win while he lined his pockets with more and

more money going from a salary in 2010 of like $1.5, $1.6 million to ending in 20203 at $9.3 million. What place do you know that increases your salary in a 13-year span by five, X. Dirty, dirty, dirty politics. There's too many people over there that are trying to do what is necessary for them to get more. Dude, I could go into it even with when I went through that Al Jazeera where they were trying to say, oh, James Harrison is doing this, doing that, right? The lawyer they gave me, who was a personal close friend of D. Smith and he got her the job.

she's asking me questions, bro. And I'm telling her. I'm like, yeah, it's this, that, whatever, da, da, right? We get in there. The NFL lawyers is like, okay, we know you do this and that, da, da, da, da, da, but I'm like, what? Good thing I wasn't guilty, because if I had told her, she would already went and told them. So it's things like that, dude. You want somebody that's going to be there representing you?

Like, how does your salary go? four or five times X like it don't make no sense you're not there to take care of the players it ended up being there to line his pockets

taking the power away from the players to make the decision so as I understand it now if you're not put on by the executive committee who then makes a decision

on who gets put out to the public like I may not even I may be put on the ballot but they do that behind closed doors before they decide who gets put out to the public. So if Maven is your NFLPA president right now and I don't get put in front of the players, something's wrong. Yep, yeah, okay.

It's going on and it's still the NFLPA trying to make it to the NFL. Okay, no, D, but we're going to keep an eye out on that because if he put your name out on the ballot, there should be no reason. Then we know it's... It should be no reason. It should not make it to the players. for sure you know what i'm saying like weak representation is no representation no i'm with you on that and when we were saying too when we was going back to the just

the report cars too do you think that i think the report cars are a good thing yes as long as you have the honesty of it's a player playing and dudes are going to be tell you what it is how's the food how's the travel how are they treating this because you play some people play for other teams some dudes you just don't know what you don't know so if you play for another the team, you've been to a facility, you moved that way, you went to these facilities. Like, the one thing I say about the Steelers, too, and it's not a knock. When we're saying, like,

these facilities aren't as good as others, it's because pit, stillers are split with Pitt, Panthers. Like, it's just smaller. It's just you don't have a whole facility, you don't have enough as much space. So when you go to other joints, where it's just a whole big old, like a pre, like

a training facility just for you, in particular, with just so much stuff that you don't even really need. But, it's nice so I'm gonna rate that that's a 10 that looks like you like it's amazing like everything's just very very new it's very clean but at the same time you're gonna get the job done the weights still work

the same way the weights work you know what I'm saying the staff listen here they listen it's a salary cap right every team got to spend a certain amount of money or it is able to spend a certain amount of money if they don't it's certain things that happen or don't happen if they go over certain things that happen or don't happen it needs to be a standard for what

your facility should look like should have and be accessible to your players, period. That way, you ain't got to worry about it. That's the only thing y'all want to, you know, not have across the board. I'll recap, you want to make sure can nobody spend no more than nobody else. Like, make sure the facilities are to the standard at every facility, then it just being coaches or teams or owners that want to make sure that their facilities are grade A versus guys that are like, hey, it's doable, or it's,

efficient enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. We speak in the same, same language, buddy, because that's where it's who, the ownership, like, that's really kind of, I think that's mainly more on, like, the owners more, like, because they're building, they own the facilities that you're training in

and all that stuff. So, I mean, if they want to spend how they stuff looking sweet, like Dallas, you just, they look, it looks amazing. When you were in college, you're getting recruited to Florida, you go see their facilities, you go see Alabama's facilities.

Yes. You know, I'm like this. That's like, it's, people want to go. The stuff looks sweet. Let's go. Right. Makes people want to go work there. Yeah, yeah.

You got to realize in college, what's going to get you there? Well, back then, it was the facility. Now, it was recruiting to it. Yeah, it's the, you know. It's the bread. The NIA. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Plus the facility, because if you're looking at the same thing and the facility better here than it is there than you. I'm going to go where I'll get the facilities and the bread. Right. No question about it. No question about it. Do. AJ Brown said he ain't making new.

You know apologies for his Twitch stream, though. You see what he said? Yeah. He told them boys, he told them boys, man, you know what it is? And he's talking to his homeboy playing the game. And he's like, it is. I'm trying to laugh through it where he wants to rock. You know what I'm saying?

And he's saying no matter what, like winning the games, D. It is what it is. But if we're on the, we're on the offensive side of the ball. I can respect this as an offensive player. I would want my team to be able to, like, don't talk about the defense. Talk about how we can make the offense better. He's trying to provide from the office.

He feels like he can do. He can do some work. Hey, man. They said that man, AJ Brown, just changed his IG bio to unemployed an hour ago. No, he didn't. I don't know. He's trying to tell us something, or is he just gassing?

I think he must be, look, the checks. He basically saying, like, I ain't got no job because I ain't got no numbers. That's what he's saying. He's saying that. Because the checks, the checks, he's still getting a check. He's still getting the check. Now, the check goes to clear, baby.

But I'm, I'm getting paid. You with him or you're against him? What do you think of him not apologizing for or saying what he said? Me personally, I ain't got no problem with it. He's just keeping the 100. Hey, man, take me off. You all think I'm going to get you any fantasy points now. Y'all don't see what I'm going to get.

I'm going to get a catch here and there. That's it, now. You know what I got to go up against, I got to go up against Chase. I got to go up against Jeff. I got to go up against guys. just getting the ball, told it to him now. You know, we ain't going to throw the ball on no motor 16 times a game.

Diva, are you feeling that same way if you are on the Eagles? No, I lied, man. It was Tyreek that said unemployed. No, AJ Brown. Nope. It was Tyree. Oh, it was Tyreek Hill that said that.

No, okay, thank you, Jesus. I was about to say, oh, he's about to say. He's definitely, he's, that's not even a subpoena. He's still on the roster, though. Yeah. Why would he say that? You can't release him hurt itself.

Who, Tyree? Yeah. I don't know. Let me look at that again. You can't release this, man. They could if they was the pen. Ooh, that's a lot of money, though. They owe Tyree kill.

They owe Tyriegel guarantee. Oh, you cut a man why he hurt like that. You got to pay for whatever that whole thing would be plus recovery. Do he have another year on his contract? say that one time if you cut

cut somebody by why they hurt you get you got to pay them yeah I don't know I don't know we gonna see we gonna see hey man and speaking of that Travis he out for the year bro

god dang LCL I think it was yep what you think man the more and more than I'm watching it and the more than more that I see like Travis isn't really like the biggest, you know what I'm saying, body, got to go one way. Like, I would think you just got to go one way mainly.

Just for body-wise, you know, the NFL, not for long, you're going to get hurt. People are going to get hit. We're going to get injured regardless. So I'm just thinking longevity-wise. At first, I was thinking, if you're the Jaguars, you get a first-round pick, you got elite talent, your team isn't really as good. You can use them on both. You can get a top-flight corner and a top-flight receiver.

but now the more I'm looking at it like for the health of the kid and for Travis Hunter's like career-wise like do you want it to be cut short just because you're trying that at the end of the day it's the NFL you're playing for the best people in the world

over-reserting yourself where if you just locked in on one you know what I'm saying got your mind right was able to go pro bowl like really just focus in and be able to make that your thing like being able to try

because you still could get hurt you know what I'm saying playing once right you know what I mean you go I think you get a lot more protections playing receiver than you would, you know, at the, you know, at the, at the, at the corner position. Plus, people got to adjust to you. He's not adjusting to them.

You know, he's not trying to figure out if this dude will try and run past him and throwing, you know, and having to be able to step that foot into the ground. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would, and like you said, you know, he's not, he's not, he's not an extremely large dude. So I'm with you. I would, I would, I would, I would go to the, to the offensive. side, especially now that you can't even really, you can't really hit nobody.

Like coming across the middle, it's just something, you know, coming across the middle is a thing of the past. No, for sure. You're right. You're right about that. And I mean, if you want, I like him as DB. I like him. I like him at DB.

I think he would be. I like him at receiver, dude. I think he'd be a great receiver. Like, I just don't know how, like, I mean, he could be a great receiver too. But I just think his routes and stuff like that aren't as crisp as a, you know what I'm saying? like a chase like a Jefferson you know what I'm saying like I think those are the elite of the elites I think at DB hey he got he got you know one of those other quarterbacks on that overrated list was his quarterback Trevor Lawrence yes I don't think

he's that over I think Trevor Lawrence is not bad he's that overrated it depends on who you're talking to you think he's overrated it depends on who you're talking to if I if I'm talking to a fan of some sort for me I don't think he's overrated because I have a real have a realistic view of his skills. Like expectations, like, depending on what announcer you get announcing the game, you think he the next coming to Joe Montana. You ain't lying. Like, you ain't lying.

I don't think he's bad. I think he's a solid franchise quarterback, bro. And if he can, I think he can make the thos. He can make all of the thos. Consistently? Consistently? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stop, bro.

Consistently. I like Trevor. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm saying you can like it. I don't, I don't, I'm just saying I'm going by the skill. What do I see? What does, I, I don't, I don't know. I think he's going to be solid.

I think he's going to be solid. Okay. Do you think, you think Travis Hunt is going to be better though at receiver than at corner? Yeah. Debo? I just, I just, I just, I just, I just like him better at receiver, dude. Okay, no, no, and I've respected it too.

I like, I like his adjustments to be able to get to the ball, all that. Like, I don't like him having to come up with a, you know, a lineman coming out there to, you know, do the screen and you can't cut that lineman. That's, I don't like that, that, that, that, that, that, that's not something I want to see. I, I think he's going to be, yeah, either way, either way is going to work. like you said, his ball skills, you know what I'm saying, being at receiver, being able to adjust his body, just getting, right, his adjustments to balls. Like he did it. That's what he's done is, like, being able to do that, dude, that's a, that's a hard skill. You look and see, you know, in the, in New England game where dude couldn't adjust back to a couple passes because a couple catches.

That's Travis. He gets there. Yeah. Travis Honey is a ball. He could do, he could do either way. He could play either side of the ball. I just want him to pick one of them joints and get after it, because I don't. I think the more and what I think about it, though, just that the health, you know what I'm saying?

I don't want him to start off his career, just being able to get hurt, and then, you know what I'm saying, it continues. So I want him to just take one of them spots, corner or receiver, whichever one it is, and just hone his craft and become elite. Okay, I got, but I'm a receiver. I'm sorry. You receive it, though. I'm receiving. You DV. I think that's good to a DB.

No, yeah, because I know his ball skills and how elite he can. could be at DB? Like, that's the thing. He could be one of the best to do it at DB. You know what I'm saying? Because the ball skills, that being able to read stuff, like when he was in college at Colorado, breaking in zones and being able to play, man, because he could run, he could jump, he can come out of his brakes just as fast or faster than these receivers. And then he's going to turn into the receiver. When he turns around, he's playing the ball in the air. You know what I'm saying? Looking back, he sees that, he's like, oh, that's mine. He can go get it. So I just think with the athletic ability and ball skills, it'll make him one of the best

to do it at DB, but as a receiver, there's other guys that are receivers that I see that could just, that are better than him. Well, you know, also, like, you, you go, you're going to be playing against better caliber of quarterbacks and receivers at this level. Like, you know, Matthew Stafford ain't going to put that thing right there for you to be able to get it. He's going to put it where only his dude can get it in nobody else, you know what I'm saying? You know, in college, the placement is not like that.

The speed is not like that. Every, you know, every, every, every, you know, receiver you come up against and go, how that ability to be that, you know, that chase, treasuries, you know, things like that. So I think while he is a great talent, I think some of that added to helping him, you know, be as good as he was in college. No, for sure.

We on the same page. We just think that boy Travis Hunter is a dog. Wherever he's at, he's going to strive. I just want him to be healthy and be out there. Yeah, and he got hurt in practice. So, like, you know, like, that's tough. I ain't even get to go out there and get, you know, popped on the battlefield, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that hurts.

It hurts. They work on that turf. Yeah, let's go over here to Detroit, though. Gibbs, they say he closed it in on Barry Sanders record for the most touchdowns before the age of 24. They said, that dude got, what is it, 41 right now? And what we got? How many games we got that? Oh, you got eight?

Seven, eight? Seven, eight. He only need six more or seven more to beat it. I think that record is, what, 47? Record is 47 for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You think he going to be able to do it?

Like, he hitting two and three times. Well, he hitting two a game. Like, it's multiple games where he's going to hit two. Yeah. I think he can. And I think with the, um, their coaching staff, they could put it in a position where it gets down there instead of... Hey, they're going to make sure.

I don't even think about that, man. That's a staff that's going to be able to care about that. Come on, man. Your coach knows. If he gets you in that position to be able to do it, he's going to get it done. Let me distribute this little tidy to him, Montgomery, distribute the tub of you, Williams, St. Brown. Okay, you've been waiting on it. So I think once it gets down to the nitty gritty, their offense is so powerful.

And they coach and just filling their vibes, he's going to be able to get him as touchdowns if he gets close to it. Because like you say, he's going to two touchdowns a game. If he, the next two games, two a game, it's going to be easy for them to, I think, get it to him. Because if he, if he get two in the next, if he get two tugs in the next two or three games and one in any one of them, I'm definitely going to say he's going to get it.

So how many we say he needs six right now? He needs six right now to tie it. Oh, for sure. He needs seven to beat it. Yeah. One do it. I like him to get it. That's crazy.

How many years you've been in the league, bro? It's only what, four right now? Yeah, because he's, yes. Because he still ain't got no... Because he still don't have a bag. He's still in his rookie deal. Montgomery, Montgomery hit him for a little bag. Yeah, yeah, he got him.

Gibbs ready. Gibbs is he's ball and so, yeah, he's going to deserve it all. Young bull. This is probably year fourth. Right, 23 he was picked, bro. 23. Which round, yes. That's what he was.

So his rookie season, he was 26, and he just switched to zero. Wow. It ain't even three deep yet. God. Yeah. They got to go ahead and they need to keep performing while they got this duo because that's going to be a, that's going to be a brink truck. They're going to have to back up to my good man.

Oh, but that's going to be hard. There's a thing called the salary cap. No, but that's what I'm telling you. They got to do it now. And then, yeah, they might have to draft another little one. But look, that's the thing. When you got a team like that, they already signed a bunch of their players already. They already signed Williams.

They already signed golf. They already sign Amrase Brown. They've been giving out bags over there. They've been doing a good job. At some point, believe me, these contract. go get front or back heavy and it's going to be it's going to be decisions that got to be made man

Debo this is what I'm trying to tell you you know with Debo the more when people always say that to me this is what you got to win you got to win and with this the other thing too you got to be able to the thing that the teams realize you can guarantee money to your ballers if your ballers

are performing at a high level that's when you're that's when you can live if your ballers are performing and not and not performing that's when you can't be signing people in be making all of the bread. Because if the dudes are making money, guarantee your quarterback's salary.

Guarantee your quarterback salary. And I tell you, that opens up so much space. That's the one thing I always will look at like, just make the contract of your quarterback or your best players that are hoping. Fully guaranteed at year. And then that opens up so much money in the cap. Yeah, but, you know, did I just turn on?

Who? Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah, but you know. you got a, you know, it ain't a year-to-year contract, dude. It's a, you know, it's at least four-year contract. So you got to guarantee so much of that, if not all of it, you know what I'm saying,

depending on what type of deal that they're willing to take. Like, if I want to take a friendly deal, you got to guarantee me something. That's going to be conducive to where I feel like I'm going to be at the end of that contract, especially with it being so short. And you, you know, your game is going to get better, hopefully, and elevate. So instead of it being market value right now, you know, what is what is a top tier quarterback right going to cost you 50 million right now? In four years, like, what's that going to cost?

You got to think about it. What Patrick Mahomes deal was? That's what I'm saying. 40 something right now. Everybody else making 50 something. But Patch of Mahomes is smart. Patch of Mahomes knew he could have went in, when he did his deal, he could have stung him for $50 million a year.

He went and did a $45 million a year for 10 years just so they can move money around. Because, you know, when you got a quarterback like that, he's not going nowhere. So the 45 guaranteed for Trachman Homes, you don't have to guarantee it right now. But every year, he's not going nowhere. You can read. I understand what you're saying. But, like, right now, look at the window. It's closing.

You can't say it, ain't. I mean, you can't tell me that. I mean, no. As long as you got Patrick McHones, you got a chance. Long as you got back, you got a chance. And they got, and they got a defense. They still got Jones and now? Defense is sometimes there.

not like situationally like inconsistent for But you know what it is though people They're gonna be there So like you know what I'm saying They're gonna be there at the end So it's like you're gonna have You're gonna have you're gonna have Patrick Mahomes

with you're gonna have to see Can you beat them or can you not When you get to the playoffs I mean I don't disagree with you know I just like to you know I like You like to be the devil you like to You know devil's advocate I like to get stuff started you know what I'm saying

Don't get me wrong if I'm patting I'm in that same situation Yeah give me the 500 bag and guarantee every penny of I'm gonna give you deal. I'm chilling. And I think that's what the good

quarterbacks are starting to do. Like, you know, you ain't got to sting them all. Do a shorter term, you know what I'm saying? Josh Allen didn't even go get more than what Dak Prescott got. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, the next man up, something like Jaden Daniels.

So, hey, look, listen. You're going to get what you're going to get. All money ain't good money, okay? He know, like they say, the grass ain't always green on the other side. You might get that money and then be sitting there like your boy. what's name?

Your Miles Garrett upset. Yeah. Although you got the bag, now you can't win. No. And I'm, we're saying the same thing.

It's just the quarterback position is one where dues are making $60 million per year. It's coming. And if you have a good one, I just think that the captain can help you with being able to just guarantee money to your best,

players you know what man i say baseball they ain't got no cap right they don't got no cap listen go on cap we go see what man what what owners no cap we go see what owners really want to win you're going to then that's when you're going to find out who's the yankees you know what I'm saying

who's the dodger who's trying to drop that bag you know what I'm saying like uncapped this thing and we'll see who go be the Yankees is Jerry go throw extra money into his possessional toy to make sure he can beat him boys again or is he not the only thing uncapped

do you know no cap no cap we hey start no cap no cap if we did no cap though Debo no cap would make the NFL crazy it would be crazy because then that would be legitimate like I couldn't even imagine

you're right that's exactly we're going to see we're going to see who got them Them trash facilities. Yep. Who cares? Because right now you're only going to be able to spend. You can only spend the same thing. 50% of whatever they make and whatever.

So it's like 50-50 splits. We've got to spend 50% something like that. Each team has to spend the same. No, it's a number, point-blank period that each team has to spend at whatever it is. And if they don't spend up to a certain percentage of it, which is like almost 90-some percent, 80-something percent, whatever it may be, then it's a penalty or whatever. Okay, no, no, no, okay. They don't really care about that, dude.

Like, but that's the way that's- Because they do revenue sharing anyway, but that was- No, no, for sure, but I said that's the only reason, though, but that's why it keeps, the salary cap keeps going up because it has to go up. Because it's a certain amount. If they, if they're making more,

then they have to, you know what I'm saying? We're busting down to 50-50, they got to spend. Man, that ain't no 50-50 break, too. I have to, I, if it's 40-something. It's after they scrape a certain amount. It's after they scrape. scrape a certain of miles to top. Like I said, man, I could get deep into this thing, but I won't.

I understand what you're saying, Debo. But people getting paid $60 million a year when back in the day when I think when we first got in around 20, when I first got in, I think around 2010, I think the highest paid quarterback was probably making $16 million a year. Yep. And then that has to be because the TV deals and salary. And I made $60,000 in that same year. So now what? Dang. They tried to get you.

What are we talking about? You're making billions and billions of dollars. No, Debo, we're speaking the same, we're saying the same thing. Oh, we're saying the same thing. You were saying a little something different. I'm saying uncapped that day. I hope they uncap it. We're in the Wild Wild West.

Ain't no way in hell they uncapping it, though. The Yankees now, the Yankees out there doing that shit now. The Yankees is proving that, like you said, But if it goes on cap, that's going to show which owners are trying to win, for real. No question. No question. Some people aren't going to be able to compete. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I think they're trying to keep it competitive. That might be it. For sure. I don't know. Why does baseball not care, though? Dude, I don't know why baseball don't care. But the fact that the baseball don't care and the NFL still makes more money than any professional sport, it's crazy to me

even though they're uncapped over here brings in more money like even though like and they're they're uncapped and we're still bringing in more money than them like as a whole period I mean I understand some more players on the team

and all that other stuff but like man if you want to win man you spend the green to get that that's that baseball uncapped that's that overseas soccer

money on cap oh soccer ain't got no soccer ain't got no caps oh man that soccer boy that soccer talk that soccer got way more money than anybody they they got they paying the team 20 million and then taking over the buddy's same contract they give me you 20 million just for him just give me him for 20 and then i'm gonna pay his contract whatever he'll pay his contract whatever it is it don't yeah i'm gonna get my boy i'm gonna get my boy kicking a soccer ball that's what i need to do I don't know about that. You got to, you got to go over there, you know what I'm saying? Oh, we got to move over there.

You got to move over there, man. You got to move over there. Negative. Yeah. I don't think there's too many, there's too many from here that got that, you know, they got that money like that, you know what I'm saying? I feel like that. Listen here, man.

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