Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Sam Darnold & Seahawks TAKE DOWN Matthew Stafford & Rams in OT

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks defeated Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams in overtime. Later, Deebo & Joe discuss the biggest headlines heading into week 16 of the 2025 NFL season! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE  Timeline00:00 - Intro05:40 - Seahawks beat Rams in OT36:50 - Steelers-Lions preview43:10 - Browns-Bills preview47:15 - Anthony Joshua vs. Jake Paul predictions53:27 - Play or Fade presented by PrizePicks (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe. I just hope both teams have fun, Hayden. And I'll make sure your guys like and subscribe because you don't want to miss nothing. you're doing the day, Joe. Man, I'm doing great today, Debo. I'm doing solid. How you doing, brother? No, I'm always doing good, baby.

Yeah, you look, yeah, you look like you just had a little work. How old are you again, Debo? 47. 47? Okay, you look like you got a little. Today, honestly, you look like you got a little years on you. You look a little older than normal. What's that mean, bro?

I think your gray's is popping off in your beard a little more than they normal. Oh, my God. I mean, no, no, no, just. Oh, my God. I thought I just had to be blatantly honest with you. That's what I'm going to do. I'm here for you. Disrespectful.

I told you that in confidence that this was a no-dye December, and you had the nerve to actually pull it. Can't nobody see this from here? Yeah, it was just slide in a little bit, Debo. Slide in a little bit. I can see it. The light is bright. You got you nice and, you're nice and Santa looking.

You're nice and Santa looking. All right there. Yeah, welcome. Just accept it, Debo. Just go full-blown gray. I'm not even saying it's a bad. thing. Just accept it. Just go. Did you just die yours? No, man. I'm young Jody, man. You see me. You know, I'm good. Right there, you got a big long one right there I'm looking

at, Joe. Right there, it might be two. I, yeah. Man, Divo, chill out, man. We go, I'm going, I'm going. Yeah. I got two, I got two little grades. I'm taking it. You know what I'm saying? I take it. I got a full-blown center being. How old are you? 36. Just with two Man, listen, man, I'm almost, I'm almost 15 years older than you. And I'm just now, you know what I'm saying? I'm just now coming through. You're a young man to be getting some grades in there now, Joe. Hey, Joe.

I got kids. You know. I got, hey, I, hey, hold on. Let me put them kids for years on you. Let me tell you this story. Now, listen, this is a joke, people, okay? This is a joke, right? I do.

My son, we ride me and he playing around. He's like, Dad, I got a kid on the way. I'm like, I know you ain't got no kid in a way. I said, I'll castrate you. I said, I know you ain't got no kid in a way. He said, it's too late. Like, it's already done. Like, it's already done.

You can't cast it. I said, mm-mm. I said, it don't matter. I said, I ain't been in the granddad. I said, I'm already over here dying grace. No, for sure. That's not happening. That is not happening.

Not yet. That I would have been messing my life of. I said, no, it ain't got nothing to do with you. They're not about to be calling me granddad. Come on. Come on. You're not ready to. You know what?

I got to disown you. I got one son now. You're wild. You're not ready to be granddad yet. No, you look, band, take it, except it, Debo. That's your son, and you old enough now. You owe enough to the show, be Grandaddy. No, listen, bro, uh-uh, man, no, I can't, no, man.

I'm already here fighting father time. Then you're going to go ahead and just get me locked up. No, no, that's going to put years on you for show. That's going to put years on your boy for the show. Look here, man. We had a great game. Bro, one of the best. One of the best of the year.

Yes, definitely, man. Seattle, they pulled it out at the end, man. I think I would have did the same thing. I think I would have went for it. But anyway, let's jump it. Let's jump on into it. Gangsters, brother. Gangsters.

Real life. Rams get up out there, man. And I'm thinking, you know, they was go past the rock, bro. And they come out there like, they're trying to play a little bit of smash mouth, really. Yes. Trying to stack. Yeah, I think it was, what, five of the first six plays. They ran the rock.

Mm-hmm. I think Williams was eight on that first down. I think he got one on the second. they got a little something and then they go for it dude on fourth and one they went for it twice straight two and dude

three yards on that one they get to another first down he picks up on seven on that one and then I think it was second it was like a four yards another that was another first down that was two back to back carries that he got a first down on

and then I think Stafford ended up scrambling for four and then it was Williams for two and I think it was Stafford. He hit Ferguson for three. Dude, that was a solid tackle, man. Oh, yeah.

Solid tackle. That ended up putting them at the fourth and one. They go for it again. Yes. No. Super aggressive off the rip. Loved it. Went for fourth down two times.

Ten plays, 32 yards, five minutes. Nothing. Nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, great drive. Consistent you're on the field, but you don't get nothing out of it. Blank. Right.

Right. Seattle get up out there They go on head They tell them We're going to do the same thing But they play actioning They drop it to it was a barner He got eight on that one

I think Walker Picks up the first down On the next play And then it's a screen To Walker dude The throwback screen Beautiful set up Dude he goes 46

I think to LA 5 Yep And then I believe it was second down They end up scoring On the four yard run By the other run We got show beneath Yeah

Yeah, them two walking and show, and they was toting that pill. Yes, that's seven, that's seven and nothing right now. Seven zero. Seven, zero. First play, Rams get the rock back. Pooka, I think, got nine. He was shaking. He did.

Hey, I ain't a lot. He was fighting all night, though. Well, Puckooke was going hard. Pooka's not a small dude either, too, but he's 6'2, 216. Like, he bring, you got to bring your lunch pill. He's not no little receiver 511, 175, no. I'm catching this, and now you got to tackle me. Like, he gets active with it.

I respect him. Oh, no question. They had to watch that. That was nice. Second down, they ended up picking up another five for the first. Then Stafford, he hits Allen for 27 wide open. Busted coverage. Yeah, definitely busted coverage.

I think they ended up getting to where they went for that fourth and five. Did you see that hands? Hey, hook up. He shot through the man's hands to catch the wall on the other side of him. Brother, that's like the drill that you do with a whole shield in front of your face and you just throw you got to throw your hands around it. That's just hands. Dude, that was crazy.

That was this. That was nice, bro. Come on, man. Man, they get to, what was it, fourth and gold at the one, and they go for it. But. Illegal man down field. Yep, they scored a touchdown. They smack the, they kind of, he kind of pushed him forward a little bit because he was

engaged with Buddy, you know what I'm saying? So do you think it was, but whatever happens, they called the flag, but. I ain't a lie. It was a play later on where they did like another screen like that. And I thought the dudes was like three yards down field when they caught it. I'm like, I ain't called that one. I'm like, I don't know. Probably get back home.

Yeah, it might have been a make-up. It's three to seven. It's three to seven, man. Seattle will get out there. And the defense is able to hold after giving up nine on the first down because dude drops the pass on the second down. And then I think it was Forbes. He made a nice. My man, see, he's, man, that's what I'm talking about them DBs.

They know it's third. He's six. I'm off. He did not back pedal at all. Waited for that man to sit on the sticks, made a great play on J.S.N. So that was good, good defense by him. Yeah, they punt the rock off.

I think that's when the Rams got back out there. And Stafford, he hit that boy, Pooka. That man, who's that 54? Yes, brother. Yes. Staffer was throwing them balls, though, them dig routes, and going through the middle. He was hitting them right on stride,

right in this first window, second window. Didn't matter. He was looking people off. That dig was just on the money. That's why, like, Stafford, arm angles, being able to drop the ball. That shit was beautiful. Yeah, but then he missed him on that second down where he could have got that touchdown, dude. But look, when I'm saying, did that man threw for $500,000,

that would have been $6, $150. It would have been wild, right? But you needed it. Oh, yeah. You needed it now. You definitely missed it now. They get to third Nate, and I think Stafford hit, what is it, Winnington, 19. Yep, Jordan Winning.

Yeah, it took them to the Seattle, what, 13, 14 yard line? And they go for it again on fourth and two. I don't think they're going to go for it. They didn't really go. They were going to jump or not? They were going to jump. They're not going to jump. Okay, no, they ain't going to do it.

Let's go on here and get this delay a game. It's six to seven, six seven, you know. Six seven. All that, how that kids go crazy. We ain't about to go crazy on that. It's a baby. No, of course. Just a baby.

Just a baby jump. One jump. Yeah, Seattle would get out. out there first play, they false start. Behind the sticks. They were doing good if they didn't get behind the sticks. That was just, that was moving. Yep, that got them behind the sticks.

That helped the defense, forcing two and three and out, two back-to-back pressures. The first down should have been a sack, but he ended up getting a yard. Second down, he did get sacked. And then the Rams, they ended up having a nice return on the punt. Yes. I think they'd come out, and the Rams, they end up getting the rock. They start toting that ball, handing it off. They switched it up.

Yeah, they did. Hey, yeah, listen, we go go six or seven. We go around six plays out of the, we go around the ball six times out of the first seven plays. Mm-hmm. Where's this, Cormor? Yep. You went nine, four, three, four, nine, and then another three on the second and one that put them at the Seattle, 28. Mm-hmm.

First down, Stafford goes to Williams. I think that was six, and then he hit Mumpfield for 11. They first and goal at the 8, and then second down. Stafford connects again. Ferguson, he gets the three-yard touchdown. They up now, 13 to 7. Yep. Seattle gets out there, and they get sacked for an eight-yard loss on second down.

Turner was hooping the entire game. Yes. Listen, and then on third down, these boys is doing basically a give-up draw. And this man, Williams, pulled 17 on. Breaking tackles, spinning up out. Yes. The crowd's booing while my man is toting that. Right, while he's toting Nate Boone and then, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Man, Janky. Yeah. Yeah, they get to the third one. They sneak in Darnold. He get the first down. Uh-huh. Then second, it's a holding by the defense that gets.

is on the first. And then Darnold to Coop. Coop is taking off down the field, and he fumbles the right. That was a, he put his helmet right on that pill. Mm-hmm. Right on the pill. They did a little review trying to see if they could get it after one. They didn't allow it.

They ended up putting the ball on the 20. L.A. comes out. They just basically burn off the first half. It's a 13 to 7. At halftime. At halftime. And then Seattle comes out To start the second half

Four plays, bro Sixty-five yards For the second time They got a little first down A little touch push And they get that thing To Kenneth Walker Yes, 55

Galloping 55 to the house Galloping Now they up 13 to 14 Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Mm-hmm

L.A get back out there They get to a third and nine Stafford, it's who? Who that man? Zaire Smith? Smith for 48. Down to the 20-4.

Down to the Twinkie-Foe. But they get a holding on the next play. It's first and 20 now. Seattle is able to hold them to a field goal. That little flea-flicker screen they ran was nice to get it to manageable. So they did get it to manageable and still wasn't able to convert. Yeah, they end up going up. 16, 14, no big

to do. Seattle come out there. They return their favor. They give him a far start on second down. But then then his first catcher, his first catch of the game. Welcome to the game, J.S.N. This is what kind of

switched it up a little bit. He Donald started, but they moved them around. They put him in the backfield, him to get his first catch. He coming out of the backfield, running the 20 on that first one. That's 20 on the first catch. So I'm like this, okay, that's what good offenses do. Your man, they doubling them, move them around you got to get your best player the ball to get him involved get him feeling something so i like

that for seattle yeah that db had a nice play on that first down though that's what did yeah yeah for sure third down now though don't don't is picked off by wallace and he returns that thing to the one me i'm jumping in the air or diving when i get to that point and i see dude right there oh Hold on. Which one would we talk about? The one where Seattle ends up throwing the, he throws the pick. I think Donald threw the pick. I don't think he threw the pick yet. When was that one?

This one was when he almost threw the pick. They got the holding penalty incomplete. Yeah, they got to the next third down. They punted, though. They punted on that one? Yeah, they punted on that one. I might have it mixed up. Go ahead.

Take it off. Hold on, no, no, you're right, you're right, you're right, I fucked that up. Okay, I was saying, like, I'm, like, I'm pretty sure L.A. ended up scoring that next play. That's how, that's how they went 24 to. Tom, so that's when Turner did what you did, the little get in there and then get back out. No, you're thinking the other one. That was the second one. Okay, yeah, I'm fucked up then.

My bad, Dibow. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah. What's the school right now? What's the score right now? L.A. get back out there. The first play they score is 23 to 4. 14. All right. Seattle gets back out there. They get the rock. I think that's when Darno hit what's the dude named Barner for the first down. It was like 10 yards. The next play.

Yeah, the next play, I think he hits, no, he didn't. Dude missed the interception. That was the next play where dude dropped that pick. He got his arm hit when he was passing the rock. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yes. And then the second down. He hit J.S.N. for 12. Okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They get a holding call on first. L.A. is able to hold them from that. They punt the rock. L.A. get the rock back. I think it was like the first third and three that they had. They had two of them. Smith. Smith again. Smith again for nine. And then the second third and three, Puka. Again. He goes 58, bro. To the five. shaken and baking

Her puka, bro, was just If he ever had a one-on-one Out of control You had to double him And Bradford was putting the ball On the money Those dig routes Those slant

Those middle of the meals Dude all game But it had to Oh, what's name Devonthe Adams was gone Yeah I'm doubling that man I ain't letting him do that

What do you get like Two and some chains or something? Bro, 224 or something like that No, I'm not doing that I'm not letting you do that Beating you the whole game. He just was doing it the whole game. Yes.

Third and goal, he finished it off with a little one-yard dumped a pool. With a no look? No look. God. Through traffic. Through traffic. That's just, it's real noisy in there. Great ball, low and away.

He's safe. Catch touchdown. 30 to 14 now, bro. I'm thinking there's no way that they're about to be able to do anything with that. But Seattle gets to rock. They move it down to the LA 10-yard line on five plays. Like, Darnel hits Smith. Uh-huh.

That was 27. And then it was another nine later. Yes. And then he hits Walker for 13. The third, then third down, I think it was like from the six, he gets picked. This is when the- That's what he did. Your-drops in.

Yes. Yes. So the big lineman who's supposed to, yeah. Get a little bit of love from the linemen, then back out. No question. he picks the thing off and right there I think they start at the what

10 or 11 something like that he moved he returned like the 14 15 something like okay cool cool Seattle's defense comes out there stands up this is when they got to pick Debo now you're like game right

right I'm not I'm gonna stop watching but this is why you watch football though this is what makes this game so good all that stuff we talked about everything that was going on back and forth and back and forth, okay? You're still down by 16. You throw a pick.

Like, is the game over? No, your defense goes out there, gets a three and out, and now they punt. And when they punt, now, like, the three and out is already like, oh, we're geek. We're going to have a short field.

We're going to have a short field. Yeah, yeah, okay. But now we don't have a no. They punt in my man takes it to the crib. Like, like they said, that was the best acquisition of free agency because he started

of Rashid Taheed, that dude, he could, just get the ball in his hands. He's a playmaker. You see from this point when he ran back the punt, then he's going to get another play, you know what I'm saying?

Eventually, but just playmakers making plays, special teams letting you down. You're up 16. We just need, defense got to stop. Special teams runs the ball back. Your offense has been a little bit shaky

right here, but this is going to be able to get it going like a whole, I saw, like really in real time, saw momentum. Like, oh my goodness, like could they, really do this, and then they go for two.

Go for two. When they made the two, I'm like, yeah, it's game time. Come on, Debo. It's game time. L.A. get back out there, and the defense forces another three and out. They're geek out there. And special teams, what they do, bro? You cut out, you cut out. Oh, what do they do, Debo?

No, you're good. You good. I thought you were cut out. He punched the ball. He shanks. He shanked the dude. Seattle is starting at midfield. The first play, do give him the reverse. Shaheed goes. Come on, that's what I'm talking about. Give it to our playmakers.

Give him the ball. Yes. Dan Arnold, his Barnard, for 226, wide open. I'm over here. Ain't the boot reverse. Wide open. Touchdown. Again.

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Why you got that? He made, my man, go crazy. But he wouldn't have got that. He went and got it. It's 28 to 30. They have to go for two to tie it up. The play is, well, we're thinking this incomplete. Yeah.

Okay. They look at it. They go through it. They say it was a backwards pass. He picks the ball up. The conversion is good. I ain't going to lie. At first, I was like, that's BS.

But when they do that slow-mo thing, I do see the ball coming back towards the line, tighter and tighter. Yeah. Even if it's parallel, they say it's backwards. So, you know, that. Right. At the letter of the law. You catch it and you go, they're going to say it's still good because it wasn't going forward. Like, and that one was going back.

You can see it getting closer and closer to the line. You know, it is what it is. Game tied up. Grab the ball. The ball's on the ground. You know how they always say, though, Debo. Don't leave, like, even if you hear the whistle blow, pick it up. Just matter what, finish.

That was. Finish that. Just get the ball. That was crazy. And he just grabbed it off of. He just grabbed it off of chilling. Yeah, just chilling. If it wasn't in the end of it?

he wasn't going to move it over across the line. He didn't know where he was. He just saw the football. Like, oh, hey, let me go pick this joint up. I'm gladly I'm in the end. So he could have easily been on the one and just turned around. And we'd have been like, what are we going to get now? Like he walked out of bounds backwards.

Right, right. Seattle, I think it was L.A. went back out again. And, well, basically, they just trade three and outs until L.A. gets back out there. Third and three, Stafford, his Ferguson for 27 plus. Another 15 fun. But getting fumbed. Hey, I ain't a lie.

When you first hit him, I'm like, dude, that's a clean hit. And then, you know, that slow-mo thing. That's, that's a slow-mo is a talk, man. When it gave him some, though, God. Yeah, I just, like, I just look for football. He caught the feet, caught the fly ball. I'm the over-the-top safety. I got to give him some.

Fire. I got to fire on him. Debo, if you don't fire on him, I'm like this. What's up? See, and now that's a situation where he was probably like, I'm not going to go low because he can't see me well. Man, but not, but you got to. You got to.

You got to go. You got to go at that. You got to go at this. You got to hit him in the chest. You know what I'm saying? No, I wouldn't even go in his chest. Right there, I would have went low, dude. I got aim. I'm going to pull up a, pull up the photo.

Because you got to think about the last second, he's going to see you coming. If he just do this much, let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. Let me tell you, I know how I've been, Godwin, I could show you when. I played Tampa. We played Tampa in Tampa when I was with the Steelers. Godwin right had that little overrout, and they threw it to him. It was floating, and I saw him the whole way, and I went right.

You could have aim as a DB. You got time, and you can see it, especially, and just plant that young right in his chest or a little bit lower. Stomach, like, abs, abs area, and you're going to hit him in the chest. Do you see how big the dude was he was hitting? You hitting who? Man, good one. He said it went like six tooth, I would have hit him right in his chest too. bro

today's game you better lower that target area and I'm not trying to hit nobody it's part of their body you want to hit him in the legs

just so he can whip down I got to get him down I got to make sure I save my money wrist back respect that's that's just

what it's going to be that moved them to the 31 and then I think it was a holding on LA so the defense is able to hold them

oh huh still go to 10 48 yards and he misses it. Just a little bit. Just kept on going right. Just a little bit.

Just a little bit. Seattle get out there and do Nathan go three and out. He gets sacked on second down. Third down, they bat his pass down. My man, my dude doing the whole thing, he just took the whole drive. Yes. Yes. They give it back to L.A.

Second down, here come this man, poor again. Come on. 27. Fighting, bro. Second down. I think it's another first on a review. Great defense, great catch dig around. My man got hurting that.

His hand was in there. That was great, offense and defense. Right. Then they're able to hold them. They forced them to punt. I think Seattle got the ball back, ended up getting sacked on the second down into regulation. We are now in overtime.

We are now with over-endings. L.A. gets the ball first in overtime. They get a good return. They get a holding call. Put some back to the twanky. Here it goes. First down, Puka for nine. Then Corm for 13.

Mm-hmm. And then that second down, he missed him wide open because they got some pressure on him. That could have been a big one. But we got legal contact. We got legal contact on second down. They ended up getting them first. Wow. And then the next second down, dude, that could have been an interception.

Could have been. This tip. But that tip just fluttering right at it is. Tips, tips and overthrows cannot go unpunished. Yes. Then the following second down, second in nine, 41. Stafford hit that man again. Just second dig window.

Beautiful. Boom. Boom. He had the dagger. You had the tighten running through the middle, which took your middle read, man. And then he hit that dig right behind him. beautiful ball, beautiful timing, and puka, man. Just 225 yards.

You got to put, you got to have eyes on that, man. I'm not taking the tight end running down the middle of the field. I'm looking at that dagger. I'm thinking, oh, this is probably where they're going to go. I think that might be a good idea. Don't question. Dude that has 200 yards. 37 to 30.

But it's new overtime rule, baby. Y'all get a chance. We get a chance. Y'all get a chance, baby. And now when you get the chance, though, it's four down territory. It's four down. Everything is for them. They didn't use it, though.

They didn't need it. They didn't need it. They didn't need it. You're correct. Second down, Darno hits that man on the other side for 17. Good old toe tap. Yes. Then the next second down, I think they got a first down because of a defensive pass interference.

The following second down, Coup says, hey, I got to make up for that, man. That's how you drag. That's how you drag your legs. Toe tap swag. Mm-hmm. Got that thing down for 21, bro. Nice, nice catch, man. Nice catch.

They get to the only third down they had. I mean. So, hey, he said, I'm going to go ahead and get five. Yep. To the four-yard line. The big boy, Ron. Four yard line. And then, first down and go, Donald.

Who finished that thing off? That man, J.S.M., man. Dig route. Back line. Beautiful route. Beautiful place, both. Back line. It is now 36 to 37.

And they said, hey, we've been scoring two. We ain't got time. We got time for a time. We already hit. We then went two for two on the last two-point conversion. We're here. We hear. I'm going to go with something.

Wide open. Dude played that so smooth. He sat in there, like, you block and blocking and then zoomed up out real easy. I've been in that situation as that corner so bad for it was that's his man. He's lulling you to sleep. You almost thinking like, now you got a nub, you're ready to go steal something, go help. You still got your man.

So, like, end of the day, he's blocking, but like, you got to get closer. You're in the red zone. You're in the end zone. Any type of yards, he just started kind of like, just feeling like he was free and just started bouncing into the end zone. That sucks.

That's a great offensive play. They played that so perfectly because I've been in that situation where tight in, that's your man. You got to start kind of slimming up to him because in the day, if he does release, that's you. Nobody else.

but you. So you saw him kind of coming there like, no, but it's like, it's only two yards. They need this one play. You could have made it tap. Got to play it tighter, yeah, definitely. Come on, man. That's game. You know what I'm saying? So once it gets to that, I felt for him, I was looking at him like this, that's just great offense. Hold him off, holding him off. He's blocking, blocking. And I feel like Sam knew who he was going to go to the whole time. Like, he's just going to wait, wait, wait, if I just get a little bit, he's blocking. He's going to come right apart. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking. I see her. Everything's tight. Only thing the corner could have did. I'm just waiting on him to

shake loose. Only thing the corner could have did was come and soon as he's, number one, Forbes, he could as soon as they hiked it, come down and just get, like, get close to him to stand over top of him because once he goes, that's you. The only way you can be is be attached to him, you know what I'm saying? You can't add on, you can't try to go help somebody. That's your assignment. And I feel you because he's blocking.

So you're like, okay, you're on free up. That's what we talk about in a lot of those other things, still in daggers. We see people on the back side, being there with corners, go help the other side. But if he leaks out, that's still yours. You know what I'm saying? That's nobody's responsibility but you. So great play by them. And that's how you go win a game.

No question. They convert that right there. Game over. Game over. 38, 37. Seattle, dude. Seattle's, dude. Seattle's good, bro. Like, like, when we first lost to them, I was upset, I'm like, now looking back,

I'm like, yeah, they're actually, they're actually very, very good, dude. Those are two good football teams playing versus each other. Yes. I mean, I'm a solely, well, I ain't going to solely put the law. on the special teams but LA they they found the way as a whole team to lose this game but special teams and defense more than anybody else you up by 16 points still in the fourth quarter what was it 30 to 14 you have to close that out yeah special teams goes out there and gives up the touchdown and then the the kick the uh the field goal kicker so you to win it to go up he misses it

to go up which could have won in the game and then you know you add on top of that the defense lost, like, too many situational issues. I mean, the three two-point conversions that they allowed, along with, you know, a misspicked here or there, and, dude, they just, they let, they let Smith and Juku go get what he needed in the second half. In the second half, yes. Yeah. And you add, like I said, it's a whole, it's a whole defense.

And then the offense, three or six in the red zone, they had a couple times where they got no point. They had one time where they got no points, you tell them for threes. L.A., what, they had almost 600 yards of offense, but if you're looking at the sheet and you don't see a score, first thing you're thinking, it's like, oh, they beat them real bad. Like, they had six, no, the points didn't, you know,

it didn't go and dictate what the score should have been because the defense stood up and did what was necessary when they, you know, got them into those situations to give their offense a chance along with, you know, special teams, doing what they're supposed to do and chip in. Bro, you, the thing is, It's a team game, and we saw two really, really good football teams playing against each other. And then, especially like you said, too, the Seahawks.

The Rams lost the game, I say, special teams, they kind of sold when they ran it back, the field goal that they missed. And then Puka, early touchdown we said, they had opportunities. Matt Stafford missed Pooka on an easy touchdown early in the game. Then the wild two-bunk conversions, that ball that we never see, like, hits them upside the head. You know what I'm saying? Random plays, they didn't turn the ball over. he threw for 450-some yards. You know what I'm saying?

So they did. Right. And it's hard to say. They got two interceptions off old dude. They had two interceptions and they had a fumble. You know what I'm saying? So your defense, they bend but don't break. So it's hard to say, like, your offense, you got to sometimes at the end of the game

trying to, when you're up by 16 in the fourth quarter, just sustaining a little bit of drives, but that's Seahawks. You can't keep, like, every time they've been able to get those three and outs when they needed it, when it mattered most, being able to get those. going to being able for Sam Darnold to start hitting JSN, being able to get those two-point conversions when they needed them. However, if it was a flu play or however it was, the plays were made when they needed to be made. So that was just two teams battling the Rams.

I am still confident leaving that game. Like, I don't think the Rams. Like, those dudes are going to be fine. They didn't have Devonte Adams. And that's a red zone target. That's 14 tuddies. So I think their red zone laws at the beginning of the game, like not getting points. The fourth and two is going for it.

Like, that's a turnover. You know what I'm saying? Like, those things on that part, they, I still believe in the Rams. I love what they have. I love when they get Devonte, they can run the ball. Puka is unbelievable. But then with the Seahawks, I'm looking at them, like, they're a great team also to have to have those.

They are far better than what I thought they were, dude. These boys had three turnovers and still came back and won the game. And what I was, that's crazy. And getting none. So, like, being able to make plays when you need to, being able to stand up when you have to, you know what I'm saying, and being able to get the dub, going forward on fourth down, down by 16, twice, bum, bum, got both of those. And then going forward again for the win. Like, I love the play call. I love the way that they just believed in, like, no, we already lost it.

We want to, we're going out this game to win. If they were to lost it, it was, they could have been looking crazy. But, shit, if it was the fifth, we all be drunk. And they came out that during the morning, so they look like, jeez. That's why I'm drinking water. That's why I'm, yeah, I got a little coffee. I got a little coffee. That's why I'm not the fifth.

Listen, that man, that man pooking the court, I guess he doubled down on his criticism in the deleted post that he put out there. He said, he said, can I say, can you say I was wrong? Appreciate you stripes for your contributions. L.O.L. I guess, um, McVeigh, he had a, he had an issue with the overturn, the overturned call, too. Listen, you all just got to look at that, man. It is exactly what the call was supposed to be. Letter of the law. You can say what you want to.

It ain't like Gray. Like, he had to put down three steps or something. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was what it was. Everybody saw it as many times they were rewinding it and recording it. And we saw parallel is backwards. So he threw the ball. We saw it was going backwards.

the defense alignment hit it, it ricocheted off of them. And then when you get a clear cut recovery, we saw my man, walk in the end zone, pick up the ball, letter of the law, that's a touchdown. You know what I'm saying? So I know it sucks if it happens against you. You don't want it's like, it's just a random crazy play. Like when you see something and you break down, did he throw the ball backwards? Yes, he did.

Then the ball went into the end zone. Who recovered it? Okay, they got it. That's a touchdown. Boom. Like, you know what I'm saying? It sucks that it had to be you. Right.

Like, if it was on your side. That was correct. You would be like this. Well, law says ball went backwards, it's lateral. Like, you would take it if it was on your side. But when it's letter to law that hits, it just, it just, it doesn't, it doesn't feel good. So I know what they're saying because it sucks when it happens to you. But if it was for you, I think you would take it.

Well, you definitely got to take it. That one's just, that was clear. To me, that one is totally clear. Like, you know, the stuff we had in Baltimore, like, if that was us, I'm still talking about that today. Yeah, okay, yeah. For sure, for sure. Matter of fact, there's still. Distillers, we go against the lions. We go do some lion, you know, we go do some lion taming

over there. But we are going to possibly, I guess, be without Herbic and Watt. And Sawyer is preparing for his first start, dude. So distillers, as I always say, defense, we need to stop the run. We cannot let Gibbs or Montgomery get started with any level of success. If we do, we do, we need to stop the run, we cannot let Gibbs or Montgomery get started with any level of success. If we do that, they will be in favorable down the distance situations. So our front seven, we have to ball. Okay? They say is next man up, we are going to see if it's next man up. We keep them out of favorable down the distance situations. Then we're able to hopefully get pressure on. We have to get pressure on him. If we do not get pressure on golf, hit him, like, it's not going to be pretty.

Our DBs do. We have to jam, punch these receivers, go off timing, and play. The biggest thing, we need to play penalty-free. And when they catch the ball, tackle, short of tackles, no miss tackles, no yak. We have to eliminate chunk plays. We can't have them out there catching the ball and taking off on us or giving up huge plays. That's not going to be conducive. And we need offense, success, period.

I don't care what it is, whether it's running, whether it's quick passing, the rhythm passing that makes it to where it's like a run, whatever that may be, so that we can actually get in down the distance favorable situations. We have to, have to, have to, have to, have to, have to protect Rogers. Have to. Like, we have to give this man time to get the ball to our receivers. With that, we need to chip these pass. And when they go in situations where they play man on D.K., we got to take advantage to that.

Matter of fact, we need to be able to, like, they play a lot of man. We got a motion. We got a motion to see what they end. Let Rogers do what he do. So we can see what they're doing. That way we can create bunches and stacks when we see that they're in man situations. You know, so the D.Bs have a difficulty in trying to stick what they do than man and then start running some, you know, some man-beater routes from that on adjustments.

And when it's zone, allow Rogers to check out of whatever it may be so that he can, you know, we get into the line, we got double play called every time or at least most of the time so that we can put ourselves in, you know, good position to be able to have a successful play if their defense, you know, dictates that they're going to be able to have more success against us because of the zone or man that they're in versus the route that we'll be running. I'm with you, Debo. I think our defense definitely needs to step up. I know having my man 33 in there, it's going to be his first start. All I'm telling you is, don't just be letting the second man run through the zone. Just, if somebody's coming back, just be able to communicate. You

know what I'm saying? Be out there. Do your job. Do your job. Not asking you to do nothing crazy. Do your job first. You know what I'm saying? Like, just being able to make sure you know if you have the tight end, you had a tight end, stay on your man. If you had a second man, through the wheel to stay on your man. Just don't give up any explosive plays and, you know what I'm saying? Do what you got to do. I'm going to be watching the tape. Everybody doesn't have to do nobody else's job.

As long as you do, you're worth 11th. You don't have to be Herbic. You're not going to be what. You're going to be out there being a consistent pro that's out there doing this job. And that's good enough for me. You know what I'm saying? So for the defense, go out there, do that, make sure Gibbs, we got a rally to the ball. We have to tackle.

We have to make sure we don't leave people out to dry out in open space. leverage outside outside outside corners make sure you got to bring your back you got linebackers pursuing you got cam and them boys running so we got to make sure leverage like we said make sure you're forcing that thing inside to your help to your teammates so just no peekaboo no peekaboo stay where you're supposed to stay until the ball is declared as past you now you can move out of the way because these running backs will make you wrong they will make you look crazy you have this gap you do not have a pickaboo because if you do now you and queen are in the same gap that's not what we need You stay in this one, so Queen can have the other one.

So everybody has their gaps and not two people are, now I'm right here, now I'm pickable one in your gap. Now, me and you are over here, and Gibbs is gone through here. That's not what we need. So everybody just be gap controlled, do what you got to do, you know what I'm saying, and make our plays. Like you said, on offense, stay ahead of the sticks. You know what I'm saying?

We do need to make sure that we never, we don't have to be in those second and tens, third and tens. No, keep A-Rod in those favorable, you know what I'm saying, run situations. When they do have two-eye, let A-Rod check, to the run. Game well, Warren, hit them for four, hit them for five. Then when they go to that single high, oh yeah, we got DK. Okay, we could dump it now, you know what I'm saying? So being the more like in the control game, like last week, you just see ARO kind of flowing and we flow

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It's just a real ball control game. Everybody's doing their job, staying ahead of the sticks. It might not look as pretty, but those are pretty looking games. You know what I'm saying? We're holding the ball. We're getting down. We're making shots when we get single high, take one over the top of the decay. You know what I'm saying?

So just do the basic things. Be consistent. Don't have to do nothing crazy. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We've seen us play well, and we just need to go out there and just do it consistently. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I ain't going to lie.

I'm nervous about it, but, you know, we're lying tamers, you know. You're lying tamers, man. We're lying tamers, babe. Hey, hey, your boy is Chador. He said he excited, you know, to get a chance to prove himself against the top pass and defense in Buffalo. He said, well, I'm just excited that I'm able to get everybody's best. I'm just getting in the league and my feet settled and everything.

So I get excited knowing I'm able to face those challenges because you got to understand this. This is my, this year. right here, this is the worst I'm going to be. You know? You know what I'm saying? This is where I'm building from. This is where I'm understanding different things.

This is where everything's translating for me. Joe. Yes. What you think is success? Do you think he will have against the bills? Give me your preview of what needs to be done

for your with Browns to beat the bills. It sounds like the same thing I'm saying for the Browns, I mean, the same thing I said for the Steelers can be said for the Browns. I need them to keep Shador ahead of the sticks. I need them to have him in favorable

third down situations. I don't need them to be having third and longs. You know what I'm saying? I need them to be able to offensive line block for Juckins, have him being able to hand the ball off. You know what I'm saying? Being able to have that to lean on. We don't have the firepower.

receiver or tight end to just line up to have Shador stand back there and throw the ball. That's not what we need. Right now, we need to be able to ball control. The same type of thing I'm saying for the Steelers is what I need them to do for the Browns to try to just keep it good. We have a solid defense. Defense, you know what I'm saying? You know what you got to do. Perform, go ball out, miles.

Make sure that you go attack Josh Allen. Don't let him run around and they got cooked. You know what I'm saying? Stop to run. We have been getting toad on. Yes, you have been getting ran on. We can't have that happen or we're going to lose the game. You know what I'm saying?

So defense knows what they got to do. They got to go out there and perform. They got to stop, Alan. They got to stop that run game. Offense. You can't just ask Chirot to go out there and throw the ball because that, like they said, they're the number one defensive secondary out there. So you got to let him lean on the run.

You got to have some single highs where he can get some opportunities to our boy 44 and to and to Judy, hopefully. You know what I'm saying? So we just going to need to have that run game going and Shador just the same thing. Checkdowns, line, protect them. So I, the same thing I say for the Steelers is the same thing I say for the Browns because it's not like we're just going to go out out manned and we don't have Chase and we don't have Higgins on the outside.

We would just like, look, if it's single high, throw it up over there. No, we need to hand it off the juggins. Let's make sure we get these favorable positions where it's third and shorts. You know what I'm saying? Keep the ball, ball control. Keep the ball in our hands. You know what I'm saying. So that's basically what it is.

I'm going to be looking for him to try not to throw the picks, the turnover, do the same things. Like, get better from last because the last week, that just, that's not going to do good. That's not good enough. That's not good enough. So just watching them to improve, not turn the ball over, get people involved, you know what I'm saying? And let's see what it goes with. Yeah, the only thing that, well, just his comments makes me a little nervous for him because it's like, it sounds like they go have him out here slinging that rock against this top defense, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what it sounds like, yeah, I'm about to go out here and prove myself against the top pass and defense. Like, I don't know if y'all want

him's going that thing that many times against them. No, I mean, I think just proving itself by managing the game, not. Yes, right. That's what I'm saying. I hope so. I'm thinking, you know, he said he's going to prove itself against a top passing defense. Like, that's a difference, you know, passing. Let's go ahead.

Let's try and make it a little easier on you. Hopefully you can get some running in there, get them biting up on some. Yes, yes, yes. Get easier things. Hopefully he's doing, he pulling the people. the bait and switch. Oh, y'all want to be tossing the ball. Right.

Run game. Right. Right. Hopefully. Hopefully. Yo, yo, you, your boy, Jake Paul, man, he predict that he going to knock out. He did not say that. He says he's going to be a biblical.

He knock out in the biblical upset of Joshua Anthony. David and Goliath. Everybody go to David and Goliath. I don't know why. I don't know why. Everybody want to go to David and Goli. I guess that's, you know. I mean, it's a great one. It's a great one. No question. But your name, Jake, and that's Anthony. So, you know, what do you think? What do you think, Joe?

Respect of the game. First and foremost, back in when I was, Jake Paul is from Cleveland. I played for Cleveland. He played in my celebrity softball game back in the day. Good dude. Super cool. You know what I'm saying? Met Jake again last year. We kicked it out in Abu Dhabi. So, really good dude. Ran into him, so respect. Wow. You had to say you kicked it out in Abu Dhabi. Man, you know, just, you know, just a little soft flex, no dish you spread that we was out there. That's real, okay, softness. I ain't never been to Abu Dhabi. I don't remember what it's at. We're going to go. Yeah, we're going to talk about this offline.

So, but long story short, in my eyes, Anthony Joshua is like, what's my man's name? The Bronze Bomber. Like, is this like him? I just don't think that Jake Paul is ready for the real, real professional heavyweight champions. Anthony Joshua. I'm kind of scared for him because in the day, he's 216 pounds. Anthony Joshua is 243 pounds. If there's no clause in there, like he can't fight at 100%.

Hold up. You don't, hey, you don't, you don't, well, it shouldn't be a clause in there that he can't. That's the only way that I don't think in Anthony Joshua. I think what we found out with the last one where he fought Tyson is like he basically didn't get no money if he knocked him out. So is this another setup to where we'll find out at least, you know, that was a rumor. We'll find out that later on, he may have had something set in there where, you know what, the longer I last, if I ain't knocked out, the more you make, you know what I'm saying?

Like, when they go bound to it, am I go, am I going to go ahead and cut my money short because of pride or I'm just going to let them go ahead and believe whatever they want to believe and get that big chut? You know what I'm saying? Like, listen, Paul getting these people paid now. Jake getting these people paid. I hear you, bro. This one, I think, though, do you, I think Jake Paul did that for Mike Tyson, because I think Jake Paul might have hurt Mike Tyson in that fight, honestly, in my opinion.

Mike Tyson's 50-something years old, and Jake Paul is actually, no, yeah, you, yeah, you're looking crazy. Jake Paul was in that joint and Mike Tyson was looking crazy in there. You thought, you thought Jake Paul was pulling punches and Mike wouldn't? Yes. Stop it, bro. Yes. Mike was in that joint, tired, bro. Mike is tired, bro now.

Did you see how Mike train versus how much? Mike actually fought? Mike... Do you go out there and practice and let you practice and then go out there to do something

totally different in the game, bro? Deepo, I am going to blatantly disagree with you on this one for sure. Mike Tyson is not

the same Mike Tyson. I understand that the man had a hard thing in between it, of course. That's what I'm saying, bro.

So all that training, all that little stuff he was doing, he could do that 15 seconds. Let's say that. Let's say that.

Mike Tyson was damn there six year old. Yes, that's what I'm saying. You how old Paul, 20 what? He's like probably 29, 30 maybe. Okay,

and you could knock out a man that was W.A. He, listen, this is what I'm telling you, I think that he might have just been chilling. I don't know why he didn't do it. If you saying there's a, there's a clause in it for him not to knock on my Tyson, but in this fight it has to be a clause. It was a clause

for Mike not to knock him out. Hell no, man. Hell no. That was supposedly the rumor. I will know if Anthony Joshua it has to be in this fight. Well, I hear what you're saying. I don't believe that one.

I think Paul has something for Mike Tyson's old self in that fight. No. Yes, you did. Everybody said it was the other way around. Okay, you know what? I think that might be on the old people side saying that. But I'm telling you, Mike Tyson was not about to do nothing in there. And I'm telling you, in this fight, in this fight,

Anthony Joshua better have a, Jake, Paul has to have the clause to Anthony Joshua don't knock him out because there's no. Okay. That would have to be. And I would know after the fight. Where did you hear a clause where Jake Paul had one? He couldn't knock Mike out. Stop it.

I didn't hear a clause that he had to, that he couldn't knock Michael out. But I saw him chilling and could have pieced him up. I saw it with my, I was watching. Did you watch the fight too? Did you see, did you see Mike chilling where he could have pieced him up and didn't come back with combos? and didn't. He should have. He should.

I hope he wasn't tired of. He looked a little tired. Hey, listen, man, you're delusional. I'm a little, look. Are you going to watch the fight tonight? You are, you are a Browns fan, and you've been that for a long time. So you have to be delusional, you see? Which makes sense now.

I can't wait to put this one up, because I'm going to ask, do y'all think that Mike Tyson was taking it easy on Jake Paul or Jake Paul would take it easy on Mike Tyson? and also Anthony Joshua I'm sorry if he if he doesn't knock out Jake Paul I'm sorry to say then I'm okay we don't know if it's the clause in there that

he can't knock him out if he do knock him out he ain't going to get his pay this much paper who knows I would love to see the contract I would love to see the contract escalators in a boxing match bro I got to we got to see the contract that's what we need to do

you know what that's what I'm going to do so I'm going to have why don't you call your boy you yeah yes you guy right Should I call Jake? Call Jake and be like, hey, you got any escalators. Yeah, yeah. Is this right real or not?

Are you about to go out there for real? Listen, because I'm worried. Text your, text your Aby-Dobby home, boy, and see if he got any escalators, you know. Oh, Debo. You know what I'm saying? Don't be mad. I'm going to take it. Ain't nobody mad.

You know, I'm just saying like, hey, you know, you're the Lulu. No, bro. I promise you. I need to see this. I can't believe it. Man, look here, Joe. It's time for. play of fade presented by prize

Joe, you know how I worked over there just talking delusional, man. I made my line up for my picks for the Saturday Sunday games, okay? You either play, I think you go fade it or you fade it. And you tell me why. I think you might fade. I don't know. I just think you will.

I got A.J. Brown. I got him more. I just, it's, you know, they over there playing somebody that I feel like they go get more. I got, I got Sequine. I got him more. He go get more. Like, these boys is giving up everything over there in Washington. You know what I'm saying?

Like, they giving up passes. They're giving up runs. I'm feeling like it's going to be more. Okay. Now, Jordan, he'll go going out there and he'll go get him. get more over there love go get more man he'll get more more most most definitely go get more and you know who else go get more josh allen it's going to get more because it's only 210 it's only 210 it's not crazy if it was a higher number i wouldn't think he was going to get it but 210 is definitely

getable oh i thought you i thought i thought i thought i thought your i thought your stiller pride was going to i mean i thought your brown's pride was going to make you fade no no no no no no no no no i'm a I'm a realist. I'm a realist. How many sex your boy go get, then? Would you say? Huh? How many sex your boy go get?

Oh, Miles? Yeah. He's going to get two. Two. Okay. Let's get back to this, Dan. What are you going to do, like you? AJ, I'm going to go ahead and, uh, I'm going to play it because they play in the commanders.

And I like, I don't, the defense. I mean, they're going to get these numbers. They need to get right. They have to win. These dudes need to perform. They want to get them right. and no better game and team to get him right against.

Chicago, Jordan Love's going to be going against, you know what I'm saying? How good, Caleb Williams is playing? He's going to need every bit of it. So he's going to have to be, he's going to have to go over, and then 210 isn't a high number. So I'm going to go ahead and play this

because all the numbers are reasonable with the teams who are playing against the reasons are reasonable. So I'm going to go ahead and go with you, Devo. Yeah, baby. Look here, man. Joe is going to play with you. Boy, he ain't fade nothing.

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Berg ain't been the same since. Listen, man, Berg ain't been the same since, man. Listen, everything. Thank you. Yes, we really appreciate that. No question. For sure, man.

No question. I hate that. Diamond 4-1 donated $5 and said, this is off topic. But I'm curious if there was something you both would go back and do differently in your career, knowing what you know now.

Is there anything that you would go back and do differently in your career, Joe, knowing what you know now? I probably would have started getting like a PT and a physical therapist earlier. Like my rookie season, I would have started doing more

just like prep. You know what I'm saying? Like acupuncture, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. I started getting it a little bit later on in my career probably after I started getting hurt. You know what I'm saying? And that's when I started getting it.

So I think after like a year five or but I just would have did that earlier, invested in my body, took a little bit more care of the main thing, you know what I'm saying? Just because you never, because that's basically what, yeah, that's what I had to do. Okay. Carson, hasty, 762, he doubled back. He threw in another $2. He said, what's the worst injury you had, Debo or Joe?

What's the worst injury you had, Joe? The worst one in games-wise that I missed was a concussion. That's it? I had a double sports hernia surgery. in my groinings, that joint was serious. Yeah, yeah. The worst one for me is I had a microdicectomy on my back at level at S1, L5, and 4. And then nine days later, had it done again to clear it all the way up because I was still

filling stuff. So I had two back surgeries in nine days on S, from S1 to L3. in my lumbar. That was like 2010 after the Super Bowl that we ended up losing to Green Bay. So I played, dude, I played that whole season, well, not the whole season, about the last 14 weeks with my this in my back, like, balls and dude, I stepped to turn the corner, lay give out, just fall, boom. I had twice where I was getting, I was getting epidurals, dude, on a Saturday to play Sunday. Because I couldn't get out of bed. They had to come get me.

And numb it up. Yeah, there ain't no joke, Debo. Yeah. Yeah, for sure, dude. Like, that was definitely the worst for me. No, definitely the worst for me. We got Covenant Life back $20. No, Covenant.

Thank you. Thank you, Covenant. We'll cover it. Guys, she says, guys, get our fellas to 100K by Super Bowl. Yes, subscribers. Oh, yes. Please, let's get to subscribe. It's free.

Like and share. It's free. It's free to subscribe. to play golf today. Debo, can you tackle Washington? Yes, no question. Thousand percent.

You tackle Washington? No question. Yes. Yeah, that's not, that's not no problem. That's what I like, because I would love to have. Debo,

I think you can tackle, I mean, you would tackle anyone. I like, I like you to tackle anybody. And she also said, Joe, don't forget, I need you two to have,

to host a camp. Oh, yeah. Okay. We got, I know, for sure, for sure, for sure. At this season, then we're going to get to it. Hey, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

Monday, okay, it's, it's, okay, 169, let's go, go, happy early birthday, me give her a shout on, she's gonna be back on Monday. Hey, y'all heard what she said, hey, guys, listen, they got, y'all got to get us to 100,000 by Super Bowl. Come on. We're going to be there. Subscribe. We have 60K right now. Subscribe. It's free. Like, share. Like she said. Listen. She said her and the hubby dude, they're going to play some golf today.

Y'all must still be in St. Lucia. They're chilling. They're chilling. Man, I wish I had it like that, Joe. Man, you ain't lying. Me too. Listen, man, we go, hey, y'all need to listen to this. We need to go do a week of podcast from St. Hey, say, say, say, me, we need to do a week from St. Lucia, baby. Hey, look here now.

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