Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Texans UPSET Bills + Steelers-Bears predictions, Shedeur expectations

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Davis Mills and the Houston Texans upset Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Later, they preview Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers matchup vs. Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears, preview Shedeur Sanders and the Cleveland Browns matchup vs. the Las Vegas Raiders , and much more news from Week 11 of the 2025 NFL season!  Timeline:00:00 - Texans upset Bills32:00 - Steelers-Bears Preview40:17 - Expectations for Shedeur's 1st start46:40 - CeeDee & Pickens miss team curfew49:50 - Jameis Winston on money problems55:40 - Tipping culture out of control? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How you doing today, Joe? Doing good, brother Debo. Doing good, doing good, man. Great game of football. Oh, oh, extremely, extremely great game of football. Your type of ball? Oh, my type of ball all day in America, baby. The Texans beat the bills 23 to 19, man.

We got to go through this one right here, man. Because I just didn't see what happened happening. You feel me right there, baby? Neither did I. You just didn't get out there, buddy. And I got to break this down for you because this is played. that was just going and going. Houston get out there the first play,

they go on ahead and do a pass. You know what I'm saying? I think it was stover. He drops the pass. The next play, they give it to marks. He gets seven. And then on third down, they proceed to go empty

and throw the ball. For what? For what? For what? I don't get it. I don't get it. They don't get it either. They end up hunting.

Early. Early, baby. Three it out on the first. first one. Buffalo get out there, man, and they do what Buffalo has been known for doing, you know what I'm saying? They're going to head heading that ball to cooks, cooks get that foe. What they say, that's a successful thing. You're supposed to get 40% on the first and then you get 60% on the second. Staying ahead of the sticks. Staying ahead of the sticks, man. Alan, he's going on head on the second down. He gets pressured,

though, you know. He's going on ahead, get it to the tight end and he got that thing. It looked like he had stepped out of bounds to me, even if he had caught it. I don't think it would have counted. Third down, I think they get, what was it, five or the six yards they needed. And they took away what was supposed to be an illegal man down field. Are you allowed to do that? Like, go down and then come back. Like, that must be a thing, long as he don't release the ball before, you know.

Yeah, as long as he don't let the ball go. So, obviously, fourth and one, they do what they do. Quarterback gone ahead, Allen, big body. Over the top. Dude, he jumped over and got almost three yards. That was crazy. Yes. That was crazy.

I like that. That was crazy. First down, they stopped Cooks, though. They stuffed him up. He didn't hit nothing. And then I think that was the second down. What, Cook's it looked like, it should have been, what, like a two-yard, two-yard loss, something like that. And then they went on head.

and blitzed Allen and he reads that thing out throws it right into the blitz with a swing past the Johnson they go ahead get 13 for the first time like the next one the boy Knox

just stiffed arm what's zero's number man he just stiffed arm him did the ground that was a linebacker wasn't it yes it was nine yards just stiffed arm him something stupid third and one they get to that third and one that man cooks dude they had like nine people within

five yards of the line dude i think the other two might have been within another five yards he broke through that thing dude and next thing you know house call 35 yards house call i i was like oh this supposed to be the number one defense mm-hmm no they they They had, like you said, they got stiff arm. That was probably their worst drive. Oh, no. By far, though. They had to tighten up.

Kicker helped him, though. He went on head and missed the extra point. You know what I'm saying? And then Houston, they get a good return on the kickoff. I think they ended up starting at like the 41. First played, Chubb went for about seven. Second one, I think he went for about five. And then finally,

Mills connects for a nice 10 yard that he just threaded that in there. Like, I thought he was going to the one dude, and he threaded it to the, to Higgins on the back. Yeah, that was a good ball. Br, yeah, I ain't going to lie. That was, that was a good ball. And then the next play, he just misses a dude. Like, how you just totally missed that one?

Mm-hmm. But second down, he comes, Marks. Marks did his thing now. Yeah, Marks was totaling the ball, too. And he went, he went 12 on that one. immediately another first down later I think he went for like 19 did it again

two explosive runs dude that DB didn't want none of 77 pulling up out of there though like that's when y'all ain't allowed to cut this decision can't cut can't cut get down there it's first and go dude I think it was on the 6

they run it on the first down and then your boy Mills proceeds to miss on the second down like that that was something. They could have got a little closer. And then on the third down, he makes a great throw, but the receiver can't hold on to it. He was worried. My man Kirk was worried about getting the feet in instead of you got to grab, you catch the ball first, and then you're going to drag your feet going to dead that second

leg. You put the first one in, catch the bowl. Yes. Yes, dude. Now you got to settle for three. It's three to six. And then Buffalo, like, they start, what was it, like at their 12? Because they, They got a holding penalty on the kickoff return. Mm-hmm. And, again, they stand ahead of the sticks. The first down, I think, Cook's got, what, maybe five. But if he hadn't tripped, bro.

It was going to be six. Yeah, that might have been another one. They was sitting there on. Mm-hmm. Then that second down, I think it was, what's dude's name? Secure. Yes. Secure, dude.

He lost two. like them boys were flying to the wall. That's what I'm saying. After that first drive, they was making a lot of plays, you know what I'm saying, Houston's defense. That second, that the D-line attacking in the secondary,

catching tackles. Yeah. And third down, Allen, well, it would have been a sack if he hadn't pushed him forward, but he hits him,

and I see Alan doing the kick, fumble, everything on the ground. I'm thinking he might be up out of the game, right? Yeah, yeah. I know what it's a lot of the game. It was his wrist, something.

He got sad. Yeah. Yeah, he pops up, though. They end up having to punt it. They give it back to Houston. Chubb, I think he ends up getting the ball on the first down. He didn't get too much. But again, on the second down, dude,

me, it was like he's missing wide open receivers, dude. Yeah. He left a lot of points on the field that, well, the touchdown wasn't his fault, but then this one on the third down, on the third and six, he's wide open. he's wide open you just got to get get get that ball get that ball in his hands yeah that third down is what you're talking about where the receiver couldn't get his feet down yeah he just he just couldn't like you got it you got to make that a little easier for him dude yes he's wide

open so they punt the ball but hey man they punt the ball and the punter man he dropped that thing like like tiger woods used to man i don't know how he got that ball to turn like it did uh-huh bro they drop they drop it down i think it was what inside the inside the five or at the man Buffalo get the ball and um yeah I think it was

Alan on that second down hit Davis for like 22 next cooks went on ahead stayed ahead of the sticks he was cooks had some yards too dude no yeah for sure yeah he did

he did that the run they they were they were do he was running the ball really well oh yeah for sure and then second down Alan booted out for the tight end for eight and then um i think it was cooks again like vision crazy like cut it all the way back against the grain he got he got 13 on that one and they end up getting them down to like a fourth and one or two something like that yep and allan hits johnson

for 23 23 boy mm-hmm first down though they went on dude who was the den 98, the detackle, bro, he smacked, he smacked old boy, got through there, smacked old boy, it was, what, a loss of two on that one? On first down. Dude, the next play, they go to that man, Anderson. Will Anderson. They lose 10 on that one. They was able to go ahead on third down, forced him into a, you know, a bad play.

They was able to hold him to a field goal. So now it's six to, no, sorry, it's three to nine now. Nine and three. Yep. Yeah. And then Mills comes out on the first down and finally connects on there. I think it was Collins for, yeah, it was Collins for, yeah, 24, 25, something like that, brother. And dude, he was finishing on them runs, though.

He was trying to destroy them DBs, dude. No, he was. Dude, he was trying to destroy them DBs. Next play, Mills goes and scrambles for, I think it was only like four or five, but they get his face, man. face mask, add another, what was it, 15 on top of it? Mm-hmm. And then they go and do a receiver, like reverse around. He went to go get it.

Don't. Listen, he got fired on, though. He did. He got eight. He did get fired on. Hey. He did get fired on. Hey, too sweet fired on Jesse right there.

Houston's out there, but this is what I love. Houston's out there smacking. They're trying to fire on everybody. They're hunting. You know what I'm saying? They said they was out there hunting and they look like it. Dude, that's number one. No, dude, they, they big game hunting.

They big game hunting. Number one, number two, offense in the league, they big game hunting. And then immediately, on the second down, your boy, he throws it short. Like, I'm like, yo, it's no way he can, like, this go get seriously uncomfortable because you go out of defense, like, out there all day, every day with what he's doing over here. They already plan. They get to that fourth and one. One, and that boy Marks takes lemons, dude, and makes lemonade, dude.

Dropping it on him, bro. Dragging old boy, like, dragging, what, he ended up picking up, like, six, which should have been a loss of at least one or two. That's the effort. Dude, and then the next play, Mills again, short, like, hit the defender in his back. Dudea turned around, he had one. All he had to do was, look. He was true.

But look, you know, when you're not, he's not in position yet. So he would still felt like he was in trail, because if you were to through a good ball, it would have been a tug. So DB is playing. That's why he didn't look back. If you're not in a position to look back, then the ball would land it right over his head if it was a good-thorn ball. He's playing like he's going to drop a dime,

not expecting the ball going to hit him, be underthone, hit him in the back of the head. So good job by the DB, not to start looking back early because if you were to dime, they'd be like, play through his hands. You know what I'm saying? You're not in position. Right. Right. Right.

Yeah, for sure, for sure. Second down, they get an incomplete, but they get an illegal contact that gives them the first down would have turned into, what, a third and ten right there? Yep. And then, yo, why is you trying a receiver pass, bro? Y'all are running the ball, effectively. You're doing well. You're trying to be too smart for your own good.

Like, you're trying to trick yourself. Like, no, make them stop it first before you start trying to trick him. Mm-hmm. I don't know how he was able to scramble for that for nine, but he did it, dude. He did it, dude. He did what he had. He finagled. He made, he made lemonade.

Yeah, and then I believe it was like third and one. I'm thinking, you know, they're about to settle for three again. They, what is it, 30th ranked in the red zone? Mm-hmm. But Mark said, nah, let me go ahead. Let me go ahead and do this, man. And then they get stopped on that first down immediately line back up. Look like they're about to run the same play.

Then boy suck into that play action. Ah, bad eyes. Dude, and Kurt is wide open for the touchdown. bro. Yep. Why over for the touchdown? Now they're up. They up, 10 to what, 10 to 9?

Yes, sir. But I think it was the Miss Field go that made it 10 to 9. Yes. It would have been 10, 10. It would have been 10. Yeah. Buffalo. It was the first, first play.

It wasn't it, the linebacker ended up dropping back. Getting that good little, well, he should have picked that, dude. No, it was a little high. That was a good tip. Bro, he should, he had that in his hand. He cliff pawed it to his man. If he couldn't catch it, that was kind of, it was kind of high. Tid drill.

Tip drill. Tiff drill. They don't hit, as long as it don't hit the ground. We good. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. For sure. He tips it to the D.B. Go ahead, pick it up to the house, dude, for a touchdown.

Went stupid with it. I love that. He had, he had vision to score. Yeah. But they block in the back, get the sent back, Buffalo, got lucky on that one. Houston come out there and they don't do nothing with it. They're able to hold them and they have to settle for a field. That's a switch right there.

That's the moralized. You got great field position. You actually scored. No question. No question, dude. It's 13 to 9. You're still up. And, you know, you're still up.

You still feeling good. You still feeling good until you can't. the damn ball. You ain't lying. But Debo, Debo, how about that return, though? Did you see that spin? That spin. Because, but he was about, he was about

to run into getting smacked. And, you know, right before collision, but he probably closed his eyes. Close his eyes. Close his eyes. 100%. 100%. Right before impact. He's ready. He's like, boom. He hits Buddy and spins. And he wasn't even ready to spend. I think the return was

embracing for impact. Momentum. It was like momentum over just, yep. Momentum kept them going. So that was just like unfortunate for them dudes. And then into the natural dead leg of the one-on-one on the kicker, he had no chance. No. And he just took it to the crib. Man, he ain't have a chance, man.

You go, you go from what, up by four to now you down by three. Yes. And you didn't even get to touch the field as the defense, dude. That hurts. That sucked. That hurts. I'm like, yo, this is going to be one of them games. where you play your butt off and you don't come away with it, dude.

Literally, your defense is bawling. They scored one touchdown on you guys, and they missed the extra point. You know what I'm saying? Now you're going down because special teams, right? I'm not going to be sick. Dude, Houston came out there and took a surprise, buddy. Come on. It was only a minute 39 left, buddy.

And they answered right before half. six plays, 75 yards for a touchdown. And on top of that, that man Mills, he makes up for missing the throws for the previous. Oh, 1,000 percent. For the previous half, dude. He goes 5 for 6, 75. All past plays.

All class plays, dude. They didn't. They didn't run the ball not one time. Mm-hmm. 2016 a half. Yes. I'm like, okay. all the defense got to do is what they've been doing, buddy.

Buffalo come out there. I think they're able to convert like maybe it was one third down. Well, sorry, one first down. One first down. And then Houston locked in. I think the next first day pressured Allen. He ended up for like scrambling for two yards. They go on head and sit cooks down on the next play.

he only get two. And then, dude, I ain't never seen nobody lose that many yards on the sack. 18, my brother. Bird down, bro. This man was 18. Scrambling. My man fell down on the ground.

Brother, then got to get up, run back. He's trying to reverse. Did you see how many times 76 was trying to get a back block so he didn't get, you know what I said? Because, you know, you can't crack back. Yes, yes. You know what I'm saying?

He kept on trying to shield him off. He was playing, like boxing him out. Bro, man. And then, you know, they end up having to punt or whatever. So Houston gets the ball. And they proceed to go penalty, penalty, penalty. They get illegal man downfield. Next, they get a hold on.

And then the third down, like, they declined, I think, what was it, a holding penalty? Or was it an illegal, another illegal man downfield, Buffalo ended up declining because they didn't make the first anyway. Yeah. It was just bad. It was real bad ball. You couldn't even get the plays. You didn't know, I was like, this is, I could, they didn't run a play. Every play was a flag.

Right. They punt the ball back to Buffalo. And I don't know what, uh, secure. I don't know what he was thinking, dude. Like, he was backing up, like, running backwards. Running back. And getting on top of that, they got a home penalty. Did.

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That boy, Hunter, put the old lineman in the spin machine. In the Matrix. he gets sacked they got to punt the rock back over there to Houston and I'm thinking Houston go do something with that thing baby they go three and out I don't know when you're on that fourth down buddy and you're about to go for that punt fake what made them think they can move the whole offensive line I don't know like you can't do that that's why they got the flag because the offensive line yeah they called them for false starts You exploded the whole He ran up behind him And then everybody moved Right The whole line just shifted

Like you can't do that Y'all said already Like you're sitting here I don't know They ain't no way they practice They had to practice that in practice They had to say Hey that might not be illegal

I don't think that's going to work Coach Like I don't know like Yeah that was That was not good That turned in the fourth and seven No question, dude.

They got to punt the rock. Buffalo get the rock back. And third down. But then even though when they get the ball back, my man fair catches the ball on the six-yard line again. Hey. I'm just looking like, just let it, make them have to catch the ball there.

It's going to be bumped in the end zone. Keep your heels on the 10. Or like do something. You're just fielding yourself in bad position like this. Boop. Like, you're taking here. Like, you got to take the chance. And how much more you're going to lose?

Got it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got... You man, you lost eight last time. You might get a safety. You know what I'm saying? Like, let it go. See what happened.

Yes, let it go. Well, third down, secure. That's it? Yeah, I think it's secure. Fumbles. He fumbles. Houston recovers. Now, great play.

Great play. Great play. Another great play. Houston gets the ball back. I think they're like at the, what, 20, almost inside the 20, somewhere around there. Mm-hmm. And I believe they end up giving. getting, you know, 11 maybe or something like that on a first and 10 or something like that.

So now they have whatever it is they have, but again, they have to settle for a field goal. They get a delay a game penalty. Like how you let that happen and you write there, somebody got to call it time, even the sideline. I know. I know. I know. Like, it's not. The defense is putting you in so many favorable positions. You should be blowing the bills out. Right.

They shouldn't even be this close right now, bro. I'm with you. Like, there's no way they should be as close as they are right now. Like, anyway, brother. They go ahead, and now it's, what is it? What's the score in? 2316. They get a 26-yard field goal.

Right, right, right. It's 2316 now. Buffalo come back out there and the defense jump on his neck immediately they sack him on first down this yo and then my guy

now we going into the Anderson on the third quarter on the third down in third and 13 he go on head and get rid of only time he messes up he let he let Josh scramble out of that thing for 14 because he lost contain

you got to tell the D.N if you're going to go in you got to stay out. You know what I'm saying? They were doing a great job the whole time. Contain the Allen. Because you got to keep your lanes. He can't escape if he can't get through the middle. And on the outside, y'all dudes Hunter and Junior, y'all are right there.

He's, there's nowhere to go. But as soon as you get the, ah, your first time, and that's the only thing. And I'm never bashing will, but just letting it know, it was 3013. And the only reason why he got away was because I was like just, no, don't go in there. Yes, don't go in there. Don't go in there. No. Don't go in there.

You come up out of that thing. I think at preceding second down, Cooks went for like 20. And then finally, Houston locks it down. I think they ran like four plays in a row on that one. And on that's one. Cooks run.

Cooks gets three on first down. Cooks gets five on second down. And then on third down, he gets one. So we get a fourth and one. Dude, fourth and one. They went on ahead. they pushed the whole line back.

He lost two yards. They turned it over on downs right there in the red zone. Did you see how hype the defense was? Did you see how the corner? Everything is something dirty to your job. You're not going to make the play, but he ran there and smacked the fullback, like just met him so there's no bouncing.

There's nowhere you can go. That's how defense is, every play is not for you, but something's going to be dirty to your job. And he was hyped. Like, when he smacked him, he knew he didn't make the play, but it set up everybody else to fill up their gaps

and send them back and make the two y'all lost. And he was turned like every man do your job. Every man do your job and you're going to win. It's going to turn out how it needs to turn out. That play with the coach is hype. That joint just cites me. That play made me hype. Oh, no question.

You got a young coach too, not. Come on, man. Hey, Houston, get out there and you know what they do. Three and out. Not a damn thing. Not a damn thing. Mm-hmm. Not a damn thing, dude.

that boy Alan though he get back out there on that second down Buffalo get back out there hey no sit your ass down sacks sack the next play though

Will almost stripped him hey after that sack though they got that boy Sharif I think went for like 44 yeah this is there Alan again

sack again hey every man whoop a man that's what they was doing Every man Whoop a man Dude on the third down

They almost sacked him in He just was able to thaw it away Into the back of the office line It almost looked like grounding to me But he had a dude in front of you He didn't do running on a crag, bro okay I feel you Yeah

I see him at the late I'll see them late Yeah they end Yeah I was with you too I'm like where are you doing? What are you doing? He showed me to show the other view And I'm like oh he was right there

Yeah yeah So they ended up selling for a field goal Is 19 to Twanky-three, dude. Yes, sir. Hey, man, Houston, get out there, first down. Bam. Mills hits Higgins for, what, is the 16?

16-year-old completion. That's it, though. To-tap on the sideline, just sweet. That's it. That's it. Buffalo stiffened up, made him punt. And now, Buffalo get the ball back with two, with 48 left, bro. Yes, sir.

17-yard-old. It is, it is no way I'm happy in this situation. even though we have sacked the draws off this boy, I am not happening this situation. They go out there, bro, on that second and 10, at the 47, bro, they sack him for 10, okay? Mm-hmm. The next play on the third down,

they sacking for seven. That's eight sacks, dear. Yes, yes, yes, yes. He could have been nine with the one that they, you know, he pushed him forward. He hit him forward in the back, and he got a gained a yard, they said, for sure. It is fourth and twenty-seven. It ain't no way.

I'm like, this is over with, bro. This is over with. And dude, here's the crazy thing. When I saw dude catch the ball and I seen old dude coming towards, I'm like, dude, it's hook and ladder, it's coming. It's hook and ladder. It's coming. You can see it, like, from a mile away.

Bro, and they pick up the whole first plus more. Plus more. That hook and ladder was ran clean as hell, though, D-Bow. And then the next play, he throws, Allen throws the ball down there. They lucky dude didn't have a little bit more room because he caught that, but he couldn't get both of them feet down. Yeah, but that was a fade. That would have been at the two.

That was good defense too. That was good defense. It was a good position, good catch. One foot in, one foot out. Yeah, dude, that would have been at the two if they was able to do that, dude. Man, I'd have been ready to lose my mind, bro. And then they get to the fourth and one, and they get them. The false start, brother.

Like, you get four-for-one, you get a false start. Now they kick y'all back five. I think they, by now, they had the, what, they had the Houston, like 20, 25, somewhere around there. It was at the 17-5, y'all said it 22-yard line. Okay. And then they pressure Allen again. He can't step through on that thing. He throws it short, and he gets picked off game over.

Yeah, yep, yep, yep. And on top of it, they got an OPI anyway. Right. Right. And everybody was, they talking about, you know, defense. No, they like, no, that's offense. No, that's offense. Buddy ran over there, smack him.

But he ran over there and cleaned him off so he can run free. Dude, you know how bad that would have hurt them if they actually caught that pass? And then they had that happened. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. But then I still would have been nervous because, like, they go drop them back. I mean, I just said this man to play the fourth. 27. For sure, for sure. You know what I'm saying? Yes. With Josh Allen, you never know. Man. Houston, yo, at one point, Cleveland was the number one defense. Okay. Houston is currently the number one defense, Joe. Now, see, Joe, that's what a number one defense looks like, and that's how you operate. You make the plays when it counts, Joe. Oh, Debo. Ah, yeah. That was the deep.

Allen was sacked eight times, bro, more than he's ever been sacked in one game in his career. It could have been nine. Like I said, it could have been nine. The four-man rush was terrorizing them. They got hit when they blitzed. That was the crazy thing, dude. They got hit when they blitzed. Anderson and Hunter just terrorized Allen all night, dude.

Yep. Which helped to the, what, two interceptions and a fumble that they recovered. Mm-hmm. Right. Turnover on downs and the rest. red zone the red zone turnover they ain't get nothing from that like that was an opportunity where they could have had another three or six or seven whatever it may be Houston made plays when it counted in situational football that is what number one defenses do buffalo had nothing to do

they could not protect that man last night to save anything like yeah debo What you're saying is absolutely correct. The defensive line was just on them every time. It only took four. Right. Hunter. And the thing was with Stingley and the secondary, they're real sticky. Everybody, there was nobody really running Scott Free.

The biggest plays they had was Will Anderson, if he went to lost contain on that third down. And then when Shakir caught that swing pass that he made two people miss in the open field, If they just eliminate those plays, there's, like, nothing really there. Because the D-Lines are able to get there. The secondary is sticky. They make plays. They own people. So, like, the main thing is with them is Houston on offense.

Are they going to be able to score those touchdowns? I think with C.J. Stroud gets back. It's going to be really, really big for him because you got a great defense like this. We got, you got Nico Collins. You have some good pieces on offense. You have Christian Kirk. Somebody who's plays, like, I think in the Red Zone, just a Red Zone. zone efficiency. Don't turn the ball over, be able to score touchdowns instead of field

goals. The future looks bright because that defense, they're out there. They're hunting. They look hungry. They look happy to be able to hit people. You know what I'm saying? Like when Hunter and them are talking about rushing the passer, that just looks like, that doesn't look like it travels. That defense travels. It's number one for a reason in yards. Yes. And points allow. You know what they're number one in total defense. They number one in points. They second the takeaways. They second to turnover margin. They third. And third down percentage, a third and past defense and fourth and rust defense, dude. It ain't nothing that they don't do well.

Mm-hmm. Like, when you have all that, all I need my offense to do is give me 17 points, control the ball, and don't turn it over. Mm-hmm. Dude, it's easy from there. They res it, that, that, it looked good. It looked good. It was with the backup quarterback. He missed a couple of passes.

But then at the same time, he was able to get him down there when they needed to score. Right. He answered, they answered. They answered when they counted. Like, they answered. They went on head. No, we ain't going to go down here or down. Minut, minute 38, he went on out there and took him on the touchdown drive.

That was huge. All on his arm. All on his. All on him. He did the run a rock. Well, not one time, Debo. That's what you need. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, that was, that was nice. That was nice. That's what you need. Offense, answering when you need them. Defense, going down there and punishing. dude putting pressure on the quarterback is exactly what we go need when the stillers face the bears this week dude all right and i'm talking to the defense too i you know i put everything on the defense you do you do you do because i'm a defensive guy joe i know i know because i'm a

defensive guy our job is to stop you from scoring if we do our job then we win period yes you are correct you have to continue what they've been doing and build and get better than they were the previous week, the next week, and so on and so on week after week. We have to stop the run and make Chicago one-dimensional, make them have to pass the ball. We do that. We can get them into third and long situations, dude, and get after Caleb. Like, if we're able to do that, you know, and we create these opportunities. then we now create opportunities to get turnovers because we need

turnovers. We have to give our offense more opportunities on the field because we don't execute well on a continuous basis. On an offensive side. Right. On the offensive side. And when you look at it, you know, Chicago's offense, dude, like they're number four to the offense in the NFL.

They're number two in Russian. Like, dude, they have Swift and the other dude, both of them dudes almost averaging like four, eight, a rush. And then you add, you know, Caleb in there with his scrambling, I think just from, you know, his scrambling, it's not designed total runs for him. Like, he's fifth, I think, rushing quarterback in the NFL, and that's only behind Lamar, Allen, Hertz, and Daniels. Dang. So, yes, dude, if we do not stop the run, we're going to be in for a long role. And the offense, dude, they have to take advantage of Chicago's defense. They're a 27th ranked defense and they're 25th in the rush, dude.

Now, here's an issue, though. Well, what's the, yes, what's the issue? The issue is they're number one. interception rating. That's why we have to run the ball effectively because we can't get into situations where we're behind the chains and we have to pass the ball. On top of that, they're number two and third down percentage. So they know what to do on third downs when they money downs. We can't be behind the chains as an offense, not doing things effectively and having to rely on the past game. Therefore, that's why he's critical.

important that our defense shut them down so that they cannot score points like the offense we cannot turn the ball over we need to stay uphead of the chain so we have favorable down the distance situations that second and six or that third and three and four whatever that is we have to have that effectiveness or a success rate as they say it when we get out there as an offense yep i'm with you i think For show, for show, we need to have Mount Washington playing out in the game big time. I think his being able to help in the run game, run blocking, and then being able to in the past game also, you don't know if you're going to run or pass me he's there because

we could run behind him because he's 300 and he's going to block and we can play action and be able to pass. So I think being able to use Washington, being able to stay ahead of the sticks like you're saying, using game well, if we could just get the ball into their hands early, but by staying ahead, I know we need to run for sure, but we have to run. We have to run. But I'm just saying making sure we stay ahead of the sticks and not turning the ball over. On defense, like you said, Debo, we cannot let Swift start toting the ball on us.

They can't get ahead of the sticks. And we need to be opportunistic because when we get in those third down and long situations where T.J. Watt can get to strip sacks, where High Smith, where Nick Berwick, where they can just come strip the quarterback, be able to get after. contain lanes, too. We don't need to be able to, like, just trying to beat your, not individual. We need to rush as a team. Defense line, the front line, de-tackles.

Y'all stay in y'all's lanes, D-Ns, be able to come and flush him forward so he's not being able to escape. Not only stay in your lane, dude, don't get pushed off the ball. No, no, for sure. You cannot get pushed off the ball, dude. I don't care if you double-team. Grab grass, drop down. If you don't do, just fall to the ground, make a pile if you can't do nothing else.

You can't get pushed back three, three, four yards. this vertical hole. No, no, no, a thousand percent, a thousand percent. We can't do that. And it looks like we may not even, you know, have Aaron. He looks like he broke or fractured some type of bone in his wrist. And, you know, he's saying, you know, if he's able to protect himself, he's going to play. He was out of practice.

He was wearing a wrist stabilizer. And he took, you know, some snaps, some reps from gun. Oh. But you think you think he'll play Sunday? If he's able to play, do you think he'll play even if he's not able to play? Or would you just prefer to see, you know, Rudolph, you know, get out there? Who would you want to see? I want to, I don't want A-Rod to get, I want him to be able to protect himself

because it is on his non-doing hand. And if you do, well, I know about having the broken fingers, you can't protect your head from going down to the ground. You're afraid, so you can. And it ain't about you not being able to. You're going to go throw that wrist out, dude. to protect yourself from hitting the ground. And now it may not be,

no longer be a fracture. It may be a total break. So I don't think it's smart for him to actually play. I believe that we can beat this team as long as Mason can go out there and be effective. And we can actually run the ball and get them to where they are now, you know, biting up on some of the play action things so we can get deep balls. and be efficient in hitting the, you know, the short routes, getting and then creating, you know, yeah,

we got to get yards after the catch. Like you said, Darnel, Washington, that boy, 3-11, you're trying to tackle offensive linemen. A thousand percent that are throwing out stiff arms and trying to hurdle you. Doing all that. All that. As the size of a right tackle.

Yes. So I think it's going to be big for Mason Rudolph. I think Mason Rudolph can do it. You know what I'm saying? He showed us. A lot of times he's been a starting quarterback. And I think he just knows what he has to come in there and do his job. He knows this.

I like Mason's deep ball. I like when he could throw the bang eights. If we can get the run game going, you know what I'm saying? He can be able to hit DK on some of those passes. And I like, I like the way he throws the ball. So just being able to go protect it, knowing what he's got to go do. He's not trying to go out there. No, they're not putting the team on him.

You don't got to go win it. We're not putting the whole thing on your back. We're just ask you to go down there and maintain the ship. Just keep us afloat. Keep it going. Don't do nothing crazy. But just play to play to play to play winning. If it ain't there, man. Don't get down. Throw it away. Throw it away. If it ain't. If the, you know, if the drop, if the, if the dump is there, dump it. If it's not and you can't go ahead, you got to take a sack. Like, don't do anything that's going to give them the ability to get extra possessions and we're giving away possessions. We can't, especially when it's going to give them short feels or takes away our. where we could have scored points. He had three drives last week, and we scored two touchdowns and got a field goal on another one. We could have scored three touchdowns on all three of them. So just do what you're doing.

Just, you know what I've seen last week? If I'm going from previous, just do that. You know what I'm saying? You got a week of practice. I know he's preparing like he's going to be able to be out there. So even next. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health.

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like this could be literally on me you know what i'm saying i have them feeling better too yeah let's speaking of speaking of confidence the boy is your door say the guy the guy the browns the browns go up against the raiders but um i want to let you in on a little secret back i'm quarterbacks are old and 17 in their first career starts since the team's joint NFL What do you What do you expect to see

and what do you say they need or Sador needs to do to make sure that the Browns come away with a victory because for me

you know I don't know well it's reports out there that Joe Flackle before he left said you know he was upset that they wasn't opening up the playbook they wasn't throwing the ball down

the field, you know, because, you know, the offensive coordinator didn't, you know, that's not what he wanted to do. So now this kind of puts me in a situation of if that's something that wasn't part of the plan, then what we're dealing with, with Gabriel, we may end up dealing with Shador, or is it going to be a situation where we see Shador actually, you know, taking the shots down the field or, you know, I'm just kind of thinking like we might have might have jumped the gun on, you know, Gabriel being a dump down passer. You tell me. I would say, hold up.

And something else, brother. You're playing the Raiders. Yes. If your defense does what your defense is supposed to do, it's no way Shador can lose this game unless he loses this game. Debo. you are saying what I was about to say best case scenario

we're going against the Vegas Raiders okay Shador I'm not asking you nobody's asking you to go out there and be a world beater you know what I'm saying we're just asking you to go in there and the simple throws we need we're not asking you to go we need to run the ball our offensive line needs to make sure

Juckins gets going we need to stay ahead of the sticks just the same things that we're saying for like the Mason Rudolph, the teams that have great defenses, you don't lose the games for those guys. You know what I'm saying? You don't put them in bad positions. They're going to go out there and ball out. You know what you do is stay ahead of the sticks, hold the ball, convert on third down. You know what I'm saying? Don't turn the ball over.

So with me and Shador, they need to go in, run the ball really well. Junkins, they need the offensive line, needs to protect them. Know that he's a young quarterback coming in. This is his first start. And not all, it's already pressure. It's a lot going on. But just like when we had Dylan Gabriel in there and some third. downs I would see that he would throw the ball into the ground, even if it's not to open the

playbook. On third and six, when you have an out route, hit that out route, you know what I'm saying, to move the chains. If nothing's there, you know what I'm saying? Throw it out, throw it away. You know what I'm saying? Just smart decisions, not being out there trying to do too much, throwing interceptions, turning the ball over, hurting your team, because you got a great, we have a great defense.

Defense needs to go out there and perform, try to create turnovers, get you the ball back and on their side of the field. you know what I'm saying like where you have short short fields when you get in the red zone try to get touchdowns instead of interceptions but if you don't don't turn it over still be able to get three you know what I'm saying like just do the simple things do the simple things right and we're going to be able to see progress and not you're not losing the game and on third and six is when you're able to hit hit that hit that five and out you know what I'm saying scramble maybe for a couple of first downs extend a couple of drives you know what I'm saying and then hit a couple of big passes if you hit a 15 yard dig you know some outroutes on time 16 for 22 you know what I'm saying 160 170 yards two touchdowns and we win the game or one touchdown no turnovers you know what I'm saying you scrambled a couple of times so nobody's looking for you to be 30 for 35 30 yards three touchdowns no one exceptions that's not what we're asking from you that's not that would be amazing you know what I'm saying but right for you to go out there and just

be a consistent quarterback could be able to just not turn the ball over hit simple passes that we need and not just be airmailing stuff throwing stuff into traffic. You know what I'm saying? Like those turnovers that you had, don't turn the ball over because we have a great defense. Eat that. You know what I'm saying? Ooh, something just jumped in my head, Joe.

But you know what I'm saying? Listen, man. Listen, something just jumped in my head, man. Listen, man. It's disgusting, man. Miles of Garrett is about to play the Raiders, bro. Yeah, he's going for the record. He might get it.

Is that what she was thinking about? Oh, my God. Oh, my God, bro. Lord, Lord. And on top of that, Miles could get the record and Sado could break the record. He can be the first quarterback that gets a win his first career start since the Browns rejoined the NFL. Yeah. Who.

Hey, Joe, I'm going to have to watch this one, Joe. You got to, Debo. You got to be dialed in. Man, and Viva. What? In Viva, Las Vegas. I got to watch it. I think Shadoo are going to be able to do it.

I hope, because the Browns defense is going to come along, and then we just had that offense, do what I said. What the odds is? I'm dropping 50,000 on Shadot. Oh, man. And get his first career start winning and break the record, the curse of the Cleveland Browns since they rejoined the NFL.

That would be sad. First time starting quarter. I got to put 50,000 on it. Are you a lot? You a lie. I'm a thank you at advance, okay? Stiller's got the one o'clock. Y'all got the four.

I'm going to thank you in advance. Hey, bro. I appreciate that, Debo. I like that energy. Hey, Shadot, if you don't do it, brother, I'm going to see you, though. I'm going to have to con see you if you don't do that. I need half that day.

Devo's a chimney. That's that pressure. That's their risk. Real pressure. That Tipo pressure. Speaking of, you know, speaking a little bit of pressure, man. So C. Lee Lamb confirmed the rumors that, you know, he and George Piggins had been out past

curfew after having dinner and drinks at the Red Rock Casino in Vegas. Okay. Okay. Now, they were benched for the first couple series. I thought, me personally, I think it was supposed to be for the whole game, but things started get stied. I think the boys was benched for the first series, bro. It was just one.

It was the first two. It was the first two. Are you sure? I'm positive, bro. I'm positive because I think that was when they ended up getting the field goal. Okay. And then they brought back in. I think they were trying to sit them down for the whole game, but things got hectic.

You know, but they said, hey, I'm shooting down any claims that, you know, I had been seeing throwing up at 7.30 a.m. He said, you know, such claims were offensive. to him because he can hold down his liquor. Dude, which should have been offensive that you was actually out drinking before the game. Like, and Ms. past curfew. That's crazy. You know, yeah, I know.

It's Vegas, bro. It's, yeah. You could go back in, you know, you can go back in the off-season if you really want to get some Vegas in, brother. No, for sure, for sure. And, I mean, yeah. You ever had any.

Anybody that, you know, went on ahead and got it, got it in. Man, look. Game. Debo, Debo. Debo. Debo. Debo, Debo. You are, I mean, you are hilarious because, yes, I had plenty teammates.

I was teammates with a good man, young Johnny that had a game and he flew to Vegas before game. You know what I said? I had a little, so, yeah, I got plenty teammates that did some wild things, you know. That's it? You got any more? What you mean? I'm just asking.

I don't know. I'm just asking. Yeah, yeah, I got some more, but I'm going to hear the dry snitch. Johnny already told on himself, so I feel comfortable. Me and that's my little. So their story's already out there. Anybody else? I was just saying, you know, because we run an honest podcast, you know what I'm saying?

Oh, no, for sure, for sure. Transparency. I don't want to be, I don't want to be too transparent, though, you know what I'm saying. Before game day, game day was never, no. I'm never missing nothing. I'm not doing nothing before game day. Chilling. Oh, yeah.

Chilling. During the week, sometimes when I was on a younger side, like you said, I was. might have stepped out, you know, might have been a little bit to work. Oh, gang wrestling in, woke up. I ain't go lie, but I'm a little late. I was too scared. I was too scared to do anything. Because, you know, you came in drafted, bro.

I came in. I came in as a package deal because they needed an extra body, you know what I'm saying? You came in, buy one, get one. That's crazy. You guys used to cut me like they cut checks. You know what I'm saying? Debo, you ain't line. I did have a little extra wiggle room because I was like, yeah, Joe, you're going to be here for a while.

Wow, dude, money. Speaking of money, man, James Winston says he regrets letting his family and friends spend 400 a month. Four hundred a month. Joe, have you ever heard of anybody spending that, letting anybody spend that much money on their family or friends? 48, 12, 16. Oh, my. One point six, one point six every four.

How long? But how many months was it? bro listen that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy you

400 a month you don't know what you don't know but yeah just telling them like no you can't what people don't realize

is this NFL thing and like this money it is not going to last NFL stands for not for long if James Wilson had 5 million

James Wilson touched $2.5 million so that five isn't two and a half and then you have to live for the rest of your life and everything costs everything window like this but you're trying to spread it to this and here's the thing

to young guys do you got to young guys that don't see the end prepare as if every day could be the end dude because the average NFL career is what three and a half years i think three years like it is it's not going to be long if you're average some people are fortunate enough such as you and i to get longer careers going but

you cannot let that money just run through your fingers dude because you have it and the biggest issue with guys is they don't see it coming to an end and they don't see it coming to an end until it's already there. And now they're like, oh, man, I got to do this. I got to do that. I got to take care of my body. I got to do whatever I need to do to get back healthy. And nine times out of 10, they hurt something and they can't get back to where they were. And now is somebody else in there that's younger, that's faster, that's stronger, that's cheaper. And they're running off with what it was that you had, but didn't take advantage of it because you were too busy. living the high life, spending, flashing, and all that.

It's so, for kids, I mean, finally being able to make your dream, never having the money before, you got to realize, though, it's like this thing that you believe in now, it's your job, it's what you do. And this, you're hitting the lottery every single year. It could be gone before you, before you know it. But telling the player that while you're in it, you think you're about to get your next deal. This contract is what it is. like, no, I'm about to get the bag.

That's how always everybody thinks. But you got to always think, like, no matter what, if you're done, if you play a 10-year career, you get in when you're 21, 22 years old, you're 32, done out. And then you got to- If you get 10 now. This is long. This is even if you play on the long end, like me and you, if you only think, if you only do four or three or two, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just, you know what I'm saying?

Like, that's something that people don't really think about. You think your career is going to last a long time and now the next year. I'm going to be able to stack it the next year. Right. Now, I'm going to get a deal with this one. So I'm going to be able to do this stuff now. No. Once you get out after two years, after five years, after 10 years,

when you can finally sit down and have all of that stacked sitting in the bank. And with whatever, whatever you were able to play with, you know what I'm saying, being able to have that nugget or being able to set budgets for yourself, goals of knowing. At the end of the year, I need to have this much in my account. Because at the end of, once it's all done, what can I have for me? What can I be able to walk away with? Because there's been dudes that always planning on now.

the next year was I'm going to be able to start stacking my and then it's it's gone so just planning like this could be gone tomorrow every every year so every dude has to make sure that they're stacking it matter of fact this is what I'll say when you're playing everybody wants to be around you so all those business connections that you can make instead of making the connections with Joe Blow that does this or that, like make the connections with people who do investments, make the connection with people who own, you know, those multi-million dollar companies, corporations, billion-dollar corporations, like make those connections. They want to be around you.

Yes. Now, take advantage of these opportunities. They want to talk to you now. You are right then and there because when you're done, they don't care about it. They don't want to see you. They can't flaunt you in front of whoever or whatever or take pictures with you or sales with so and so. Like, when you're in there, dude, use that. I think we're too busy trying to, you know, do whatever it is that we're trying to do when we're young. I was one of those

guys, be honest, I didn't even save money, dude. I didn't save money until I had my son do. And then I was like, oh, snap, I got to worry about somebody else other than myself. And that's really what started me to save and invest in and, you know, building the actual, you know, a life for after football. I was, I think it was, I got drafted and I heard so many of the, you know, the horror stories because I was a highly drafted player, Debo, you know what I'm saying? So coming into a lot of money, you know what I'm saying, there was just something that wasn't, I wasn't normal used to.

So at the beginning, I could say I definitely did a lot of the wrong things, but you got to go through trial and error, you know what I'm saying, you have family, you got friends, you got things that you got to be able to set boundaries, you know what I'm saying, you have, getting married. having a family knowing like this could all be gone you know what i'm saying you want to take care of people but end of the day once it's all done you'll be looking at you crazy if you don't have anything left you know what i'm saying so being able to save and stack so when you do retire you can be able to live fruitfully and be able to take care of people and move how you want to and be and keep your sanity

yeah yeah for sure hey look here they say uh la angelo ball revealed that he only tips was it 1020 on a 400 million he said that's how i rocked We got the video. I think we got the video on that. No, we don't. Okay, cool. Anyway, that boy said that's how he rock. How you tip, bro?

$10, $20, $400 meal? Never, Dibro. I'm a gracious tipper. And I learn my parents, we always, my parents are 20% and that's basically how I do all the time. I'm a 20% tipper. And that's just, that's for bad.

If it's a good service, I might go 25, 3%. You know what I'm saying? But, like, I really, I, I think that if somebody doing a good service and I'm getting really good, really good help, I love, I'm a good tipper. I learn from my parents, though. They always did that. So, I'll tell you this. So I'm like a, I'm like a 15 to 20 tipper.

Okay. And the reason I, my big pet peeve is if I have water and my water go empty. my water ain't full that's a problem for me so you only go get 15 to 20% now if I had somebody that's really tentative and really takes care of me

I'm going to take care of them depending on what the bill is I may tip 100% of the bill and depending on where I'm at so yeah I don't know especially if you get a good server that's just what they is

you know you look around it's not them just treating you that way you see this table and that table and they're doing the same thing. I'm like, yo, that's a good server. So I want to make sure when I come in here, they see that reservation for James here. Hey, make sure you give me that server if they,

if they don't. Because I'm, you know, I'm a, and then on top of that, if they're not there, the server's going to be like, yo, so-and-so tips well, but you got to make sure you take care of them. You know what I'm sure. So you have to, you have to tip well, dude.

It's not, it's not a, you know, an option. You're going out. No matter what happens, you have to tip well. it's nothing worse than you know you as a server going and serving somebody and then i don't care if the service is average like you still have to tip well like no no nowhere did anybody get less than 18 to 20 if they did their job effectively now they did they go above and beyond and being disrespected hey and above and they just they i ain't going to lie dude i think i said that one time and i don't know if the server at

heard it somewhere. But, dude, I couldn't get a sip of water out of my glass, bro, without him coming back and filling that thing. Making sure who's on top. Yes. So you took care of him? Dude, no question, bro. I'm like, I had to do this one. No, I'm good. I don't need no more water, man. I ain't going to. I'm good. No, for sure. I'm with you a thousand percent, Debo. Good tip. No matter what, Like you said, 18 to 20, they're doing their job. They got a job to do, but I'm a thousand percent. Because I go by this. I normally divide it by four or I divided by five.

Whatever the bill is, how much it costs, I divided by four or five. So I know I'm going to get either 25 percent or 20 percent. For sure, for sure. Look here, man, Joe, we hit 50,000 subscribers here on YouTube, bro. Let's go. All you guys. for subscribing to us, watching us, man. We appreciate you, man.

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