Club Shay Shay - Fat Joe Part 1

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Fat Joe kicks off his conversation with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay by joking that he wants to be like Snoop Dogg. He shares his upbringing, explaining that he just wanted to escape poverty. Joe tells pivotal stories from his upbringing like when his best friend abandoned him to side with attackers, being shot at by the same guy eight times in two days, how hip hop saved his life, and being framed for three murders by the cops. Joe also mentions how he constantly gets canceled by Gen Z every time he goes on Instagram Live. Joe reflects on the deaths of modern rappers like Nipsey Hussle, Pop Smoke, and PnB Rock, comparing them to Tupac and Biggie Smalls. He stresses that people need to come together, just like Jay-Z and DJ Khaled, and comments on Michael Rubin’s controversial remarks. He adds that he tries to inspire youth through his flexing rather than tear the community apart. The conversation then transitions to the Drake vs. Kendrick Lamar beef, to which Fat Joe jokes that he doesn’t want anyone to kill him after his interview with Shannon for his opinion on the matter. He says if he were Drake, he’d be confused. He highlights how the song is nominated for multiple Grammys and believes it will become an all-time classic. Joe likens the public’s fascination with the beef to watching football and believes Drake can make everyone forget about the feud depending on how he responds. Fat Joe recalls attempting to squash the beef between Ja Rule and 50 Cent, saying they should have ended it by now. He expresses hope that Young Thug will be released from jail so he can take care of his loved ones again. Joe recounts losing a $20 million Jordan Brand endorsement due to his feud with 50 Cent, revealing it wasn’t the only financial hit he took because of beefs—he also lost money beefing with Jay-Z. He warns young rappers that the Feds are watching rappers’ crews and pinning it back on the artist, referencing Bobby Shmurda’s situation.  Lastly, Joe praises Jay-Z for doing great work with the NFL but understands why Lil Wayne is upset about not performing at the Super Bowl Halftime Show in New Orleans.   #volume   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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chart-topping Grammy nominated for hits like Lean Back, Make It Rain, all the way up. He's a rapper, producer, executive, philanthropist, and a cultural icon. The one the only. Some call him Joe Crack but we we know him as Fat Joe. Joe, what'd he do? Oh man, I love you, thank you. What an introduction. Yes, I am Fat Joseph, and I'm proud of it. No you're not. Yeah, I'm proud, and I'm Don Carta Giana himself too, if you want it.

Where is Joe? Well, oh, you mean Fat Joe? He's, yeah, he's off playing Call of Duty Black of Six. So I'm his rapper replacement. You know what I'm saying, rapper replacement. Just lean back. Come on, Shannon, lean back. You look a little tensed.

I don't dance. I just pull up my pants and do the rock away. You gotta lean back, Shannon. CJ, is this some kind of joke? Where is Joe? Shannon, if you can't lean back, maybe we could throw one back? Well, I ain't gonna pass up an opportunity

to have a drink, though. Okay. Just you and me? Yeah. What is this? Petroleum? Yeah. Whoa!

I'm burning up, man! What's a terror squad? People think it's terror. Like terror? No, it's terror, it's Mother Earth. Easy, peasy. You know what I'm saying. Well since you're here, you're fat, Joe. Yeah.

Who's your favorite rapper you work with? Ice Cube. I adore Ice Cube in any way or shape or form. Even in white wine. When you were writing Lean Back, what, how did you come up with that? I just leaned back like this. It just came, you know,

tt-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t, just came. What about what's love? Hmm. Take my hand. Just feel. That's what love is all about. Interesting. Yeah. I'm not sure that's it, but okay.

I just want to become friends with you. That's why I'm here. That's not possible. Fat Joe. You're not Fat Joe though. I am Fat Joe. Yeah, that concludes this interview. Where you going now, huh?

I started liking this. I think, let's get the real Fat Joe here interviewing me. I think let's get the real Fat Joe here interviewing me. Mm. ["Fat Joe's Back From Playing Call of Duty Black Ops 6"] ["Fat Joe's Back From Playing Call of Duty Black Ops 6"] Okay, guys, let's try this again. I think Fat Joe is back from playing

Call of Duty Black Ops 6. So here we go. He's a multi-platinum selling rapper. He's had hits, records in three different decades. A New York legend, one of the kings of New York. A cultural icon, Grammy nominated mega rap star. He's behind two of the biggest, most respected anthems, Lean Back and All the Way Up. He's one of the rap industry's first Latino superstars.

He sold millions of records. A highly respected rapper, songwriter, producer, artist, host, actor, author, media personality, a successful executive, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. He's also a healthcare price transparency reform advocate. He's a larger-than-life persona, one of the rap music most influential artists, one of hip-hop's greatest storytellers. You know him as Joe Crack, but here he is ladies and gentlemen, Fat Joe. I've been grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want a slice, got the rolling dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life. Today we're at Alley Lounge on 66 at Resorts World Las Vegas.

Did I do that? Do you ready to go? I mean, damn, I just want to be like Snoop Dogg. You know what I'm saying? You know, every time I look at the bar, the TV commercials, I see Snoop Dogg, and he sketches out, he's the football guy, he's the voice, I'm like, that's all I'm trying to be is Snoop Dogg.

Bro, your career, I mean, when you growing up, when Fat Joe was growing up, I think you're from the Bronx, right? So you're from the Bronx. When you were growing up as a kid, what did Fat Joe want to be? I just wanted to be rich. No, I'm you from the Bronx. When you were growing up as a kid, what in fact you don't want to be? I just want to be rich. No, I'm telling you the truth.

I didn't want to be poor. And my whole family before me was poor. And our community, I like to tell the youth to Google this. It really looked like the Bronx was in war, like Ukraine or something like that. That's where we grew up at, and I remember telling my mans like, yo, this poor shit ain't for me. And they didn't understand it,

because all we was was poor. So I'm like 12 years old, talking about, yo, I gotta get to the bag, I gotta get it. And so that's, I think that's what Fat Joe was, even since a kid, he was just a hustler, always ready to go get the money. You tell the story I read where you were like bullied of a kid. And one time you were getting bullied

and you was getting jumped and your homeboy who was with you because he didn't want to get jumped, he jumped in with them and beat you down. Well, they told him, they say, yo, what you doing with this kid? So what happens is I grew up in a 90% black neighborhood. Okay. Right?

So my mother was there 40 years before me. So when I grew up, I never saw racism. I was just little Joey from the block. Right. Then I got thrown out of my junior high school, so they put me in my grandmother's neighborhood that was 99.9% black, but they'd never seen a Spanish guy like me. So I'm walking up in there, Joey, I'm the same guy.

They're like, oh, we're not trying to play this shit around. And we never seen one of these. And so every day I had to fight 20 guys. And then my best friend, he was black. His name was Lenny. My mom would cook for him every day, take care of him. And one day they came up to him and it was like, yo, why you be with the Puerto Rican dude? And he's like, that's my friend. And they said, well, if you don't beat him up today with us, we're going to beat your ass.

Like we beat him every day. And he jumped me. And that moment right there changed my whole life. That was the birth of Joey Crack. It was no longer fat Joey. It was like, all right, I don't care about nobody. Like I'm ready to go to war with. Every human being, my heart just turned black.

Like it was like, I'm giving it to everybody. And that's where the legend of Joey Crack began. Did you guys remain friends? Or did you understand the situation? Man, I cried for like 10 hours. I had a black hoodie on, black jeans, and black chukka Timbs, and I just kept tying this. And I was crying, like I don't give a fuck about nobody,

I'm gonna punish everybody, I'm thinking, it was over. Like from that point on, you know, I start robbing people, I start wilding, I create the terrorist squad, you know, that's where all that went into play. So that was the birth of Joe Crack, Joey Crack. That, it was that moment. That was the defining moment of my life. It was really sad.

You know, have your best friend beat you up with the guys that used to bully you. That was hard for me. You were shot, you were shot at. Do you remember those moments? Oh my God, I've been shot at like 30, I was a problem. Like I was like a giant problem. Like you know, it was like every day I came out my house to fight three different guys.

Every day it was just, we was wilding. And so guys, you know, they wanted to kill me. You know what I mean? So they shot at me maybe 30, 40 times. And one time I'm in a rental car. We about to go retaliate. And the guy comes. I had a guy shoot at me like eight times in two days.

He looked like the movie Mark for Death. Ecuadorian kid. He just was coming at me, kept going, kept going, kept going. So we in a rental car ready to go get him. They shoot up the whole rental car. Me and my guy told him, Duck, I heard the death of Fat Joe,

because the people in front of my building, all the old ladies was like, oh my God, my thought on why Joe, they killed Joe, yo, yo. Like, and we pick up like, oh my God, my daughter, why Joe? They killed Joe, yo, yo, like. Wow. And we pick up like. Just broken glass. So that's why God is so real, Shannon,

because so many times in my life, one time I robbed these Dominican dudes, and they came back the next day, I was walking with a girl with no gun. They jumped out, nine of them with guns, all kind of sizes. So they jumped on me, they're ready to kill me. I deserve it, I just stuck them up yesterday, right?

Then my guy, my brother, Opie, who was the biggest guy in the neighborhood, happened to stop in the motorcycle and they respected him. He was like, yo, that's my brother. They was like, yo, this guy. So Opie was like, yo, give him a pass. They gave him a pass. That's why I know about divine intervention.

That's why I know God spared my life so I could do the kind of things I do now when you say healthcare, price transparency, or philanthropy, or giving back to my community, or opening businesses in my community, single parent, mothers buying homes, because we give them the opportunity. So for me, I just give it all glory to God

for sparing my life to get to this point and work and spread his message through a real one. But that didn't stop you. Even though your boy intervened and said, hey, give him a pass, give him grace. That wasn't enough to stop you in that moment because Joe, you say you guys shot at 37 40 times You like that duck. They say a cat has nine lives. You like that orange cat

He the bully on the block and Kate nothing get rid of it Now you can't and we were really really strong too So I had a bunch of strong guys with me who just they held the fort down like something else, you know Yeah, you know hip-hop music saved my life pretty much. Diamond D, digging in the crates crew, they came out from my neighborhood and Lord Financio showed me it was possible, but Diamond said, Joe, they're gonna kill you out here.

And to this day, he's one of my best friends. So he was like, put your stuff through music, man. Let me take you to the studio. I know you got money. Let me pay for the studio. He paid for the studio. And had you got money. Let me pay for the studio. He paid for the studio. And had me record like two, three songs

and he was like, change your life, please. They're going to kill you. And his moms used to talk to me too. So she'd be like, Joey, they're going to kill you out here. Like chill. And then once I got a record deal, I went to the Apollo Theater. I won four weeks in a row.

But once Red Alert discovered me and they gave me a record deal, I changed my whole life like Cinderella. Like night and day. Like just, I'm gonna go and make my life this way, this is the only opportunity I got, and I'm not gonna stop. And I don't wanna know about drugs,

I don't wanna know about robbing people, I don't wanna know, yo, I don't wanna hear nothing. I changed my life, and it's almost like a Robin Hood Cinderella story, from that point on, I never focused on crime. But let me ask you a question, like when you were jacking people, were you rapping also then on the side,

or you were still just trying to come to the lid? No, I was just making music, but robbing people, hustling, all thatbing people, hustling. That was your thing. It was everything was my thing. My thing was the bullshit. Like I just, you know, because now, you know, I'm a fat guy like this, all of a sudden, the girls think I'm handsome.

All of a sudden, I got a crew. Everywhere I went, they like, yo, that's Joey Crack. Unfortunately, it was the clout on 10,000 at that time. So it was like going viral before viral. Like everybody knew who I was, wherever I was at, Harlem, the Bronx, and so I lived and I thrived off of that. But I knew I was gonna even go to jail for, you know, my best friend's in jail for 48 years,

he already did 33. So the guys I was with, they all did 30, 40 years. You know what I'm saying? So I got lucky that I changed my life and started rapping. You know, and so hip hop saved my life in many ways. But you didn't ever think, did you ever go to bed and think, man, damn, man, tomorrow I might get run down on, man.

God dang, I'd be better. No, I had the cops on me. I had, you know, the cops tried to frame me for like three times for murder. Like this is a true story. I don't really talk about it, but framed. Like shit I beat. You know, like they were trying to get me out of there.

The police was trying to get me out of there. The people was trying to get me out of there. It was like, it was like, what you call that? It was like public enemy number one. That's what it was. It was like, yo, but my community loved me. They loved Fat Joey. So they would protect me.

You know, when the cops came, the old ladies would let me in their house. They would save me all the time. But nah, you know, it was an adrenaline that I really, really loved. You know what I'm saying? And I started doing it through my music. Right now I got an album coming out next month. It's called The World Changed On Me.

And so I feel like I'm the last ungentrified rapper. You know, and I got the bodega on the block. Neighborhood's changing. You know what I'm saying? Because right now, sometimes, you know, I stopped going on my live, because I got a real TV show, but I stopped going. Because every time I go on my live,

I go viral six, seven times. And this was stuff that me and you, because we from another era might think is normal. You'd be like, yo, Joe talking that shit. But somebody else, 2024 vision, Gen Z or whatever, they looking like, yo, this guy bugging out. Like, what is he talking about? So what was normal to us is no longer normal

to everybody in 2024. And so you gotta be careful, especially when you're doing it live. Right. When you look at situations, you look at 2Pac, Biggie, Nipsey Hussle, Young Dolph, Pop Smoke, PNB Rock, Tay Kong, Triple Extension. I mean, you were living that life. You were very fortunate enough to get out of it, turn yourself around. When you see things that happened 20 to 30 years ago with Tupac and Biggie and you see it still happening today,

how do we transition and get past that? That's a big issue, man. What we call that, the systemic racism, you know, we come from slavery. That word's not lightly, you know, slavery. And so I love white people. And I don't judge nobody and I'm not racist. But you got to understand that we come from slavery. The man was so wicked that when they freed us 100 years ago, they created a system

that still fuck us in 2024. Do you think how diabolical you got to be to create laws 100 something years ago when you slaves that affects us right now in 2024. And so unfortunately Latinos, blacks, poor people, even white poor people have this crabs in the barrel mentality. And everybody wanna be like, I'm the one. Not knowing that you greater with a team of people winning.

I always loved that bar that Jay-Z said, if we fall, we be each other's crutches. Meaning people think they want to be the one instead of having all your friends win. And when we need something or somebody, they can actually help us. If you're the only guy winning, nobody can help you if you go through something. Right. And so it the same mentality from the hood trickles down into hip hop.

Know what a kid and then I don't know why we. We taught ourselves to hate each other and why we hate each other. Like why everybody, why we want to hate each other, why we want to be jealous of each other, why we want to, you know Michael Rubin went viral the other day for saying some things that were actually right, he just wasn't the right messenger. Right, the messenger was good, the messenger was good.

The messenger's wrong, he wasn't the right messenger. And so you know, you see, with no disrespect, you see a Jewish guy get in trouble. You don't see the whole entire Jewish community pulling them down. And oh, I want your mother to die. And I went and this... Bro, you just celebrated me two months ago. Like, what's up? And so we as a community, blacks and Latinos have to learn to embrace each other, you know,

and love each other more. And so, you know, that's where I'm at with it. That's where Khaled is at with it. That's where we all at with it, where we embrace each other, we love each other, we uplift everybody, and we try to help as much people as we can to get these young kids, they be hitting me up for advice and I give them the right advice.

I be like, yo, you bugging out. You know what I'm saying? Even if I see a sister bug out, like a girl rapper that's hot, oh, I hit her quick and be like, no, no, no, no, no. You playing. You making too much money, you doing good. Don't fall for that one.

I did that one. That don't work. Stay focused, get your bag. I do that all the time. Joe, it seems like sometimes that we want us to win until we win, it seems like they think we're winning too much and then that's enough winning for you, now let me try to take.

You know, smart guys, I know guys that have won, they understood that not showing, see we got two different ways of doing it, right? I believe in inspiration. I come up in here with the watch, I come up in here flashy, I drive the whips through the hood, I this, but I try to let all the little black and brown kids know, you can get this. Fat Joe kids know, you can get this.

Fat Joe got this, you can get this. I do it as a form of inspiration. And then some people take it as, you just bragging and showboat. Yeah, you trying to show off. So you see people like Chuck D, Lauren Hill, K.R.S. One, Common. You know how much money Common got?

Common. Common took you know how much money Common got? Common. Common took me to Chicago in 1993 and showed me a bunch of buildings he owned in 1993. He was like, yo, my grandfather taught me how to bop. God forbid what Common owns, and he don't brag, right? So then, you know, you got guys who knew the whole time it wasn't the thing to brag. And so those guys never get looked at as target.

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on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. It's all you showing off or whatever the case may be but they got a lot of money. Right. You know, we take a different approach. We take an approach of You only live life once you work for it. You ain't rob nobody for it. Enjoy yourself You know and make sure your family got whatever they want, you know, it's crazy, right? Oh Friend of mine she's Jewish. She went to a synagogue on a holiday and she said this rabbi told a story. He told a story of this rabbi in Brooklyn who gave everybody everything.

So people come to him every day and they'd be like, oh, I can't pay my rent. He paid a rent. He take care of everybody. And so he was the big man. Everybody he was rich, he looked out for everybody. So a guy comes up to him and says, I know this man, he's about to lose his house. He can't pay his mortgage.

He got eight kids and he's a good man. He needs a job. So immediately the rabbi says, I'm gonna help him. We'll pay his house for five years. We'll get him a job whatever he likes this this that He said you didn't ask me who the man is and the rabbi said who's the man? He said your brother So he said whoa he is the guy helping the whole community but forgot to check up on his own brother And so

To me that story hits because it goes we we got to check our family, make sure everything's straight. And then help everybody else as well, too. But I just feel like every day we walk in, you know, we live in testimonies. You know, our journeys are all different, and God gives us all different journeys. And it's all about influencing and motivating and inspiring the youth behind us to not do that. Fat Joe will tell you he did that, but he'll tell you don't do that.

That ain't it. Don't make the mistakes that I made. Don't make the mistakes. Joe, sometimes I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, that sometimes that once you become a person of affluence, you have to suppress things that you might want to do to keep people from thinking,

oh, he thinks he's better than me, or she thinks she's better than me. And I don't want people to think that because I've been able to make it, now I got to suppress what I want to do for myself or what I want to do for my family as to not tick off someone because I might have and they don't.

I don't do that. I don't do that. If you wanted you joking. No, I live a life. Okay. If I want that car, get it. I want that watch, I get it. My daughter, 18, she got a man truck.

My wife get whatever she want. My family get, anybody I love, get whatever they want. You see, I employed every single one of my friends that ever wanted to work. So if you go in my stores, you almost look like they trapping out the sneaker stores. They got Benz trucks, Rolexes, they live, all my friends that actually want to work,

you know you come from where I come from. You got some friends that don't want to work. Those guys we can't give free money to know that does not happen fat Joe is Unextortable meaning you cannot extort me. I'd rather die before you extort me But if you're a friend that wants to work All my friends are working, but they work They know they got to run the store this guy got to run the management this they got to run the store. This guy got to run the management. This guy got to run the management. So I'm a living testimony to, yeah,

we could help our friends. We could help our community, but you got to want to work for it. If you're going to come over there and not work, we can't do it. But me, I'm the opposite. I know that I worked hard for everything I got. I live every day like this is my last.

Every night we sit down, the whole crew, we eat steak and lobster. I know that I work hard for everything I got. I live every day like this is my last. Every night we sit down, the whole crew, we eat steak and lobster, the security eat steak and lobster. Everybody eat. The people that work for me in my house, take care of my mother, take care of me, they eat steak and lobster. That's us, we gonna go out like that.

You know what I mean? And if I pass, whatever I leave my family, they should be good. But while I'm here, while I bust my ass for this. Oh, no, I'm going to enjoy. You're going to live it up. Oh, to the highest level. Joe, let's talk about the beef that happened this summer, this past summer. Drake is he's the crescendo. And then it seems like people that and I think he thought that was cool with him,

all of a sudden came for it. Did you know that they felt like that about Drake? And what why did so many people seem like he was Thanos and everybody was trying to get him? I don't want nobody to kill me after this, not literally, but be upset with me. But Drake's a beautiful guy. He's always been nice to me. He's always been nice to everybody.

I'm from the old school. So I'm from the don't bite the hand that feeds you. I'm for the loyalty. So I could understand whatever, I don't know the dynamics of the beef between Kendrick and Drake. I don't know the dynamics of the beef between Kendrick and Drake. I don't know what that beef spewed from. It might just be good old hip hop.

I'm better than you, you better than me. You gotta come out to the yard. Prove it. You know, in jail, everybody's a gangster until somebody says, Shannon, come to the yard. Get your knife, let's go to the yard. So Kendrick Lamar told them, let's go to the yard. Bring your mic.

They came out, bring your mic, let's go. the yard. So Kendrick Lamar told them, let's go to the yard. Bring your mic. They came out, bring your mic, let's go. Now everybody yells, I don't know the story, but I was really shocked how everybody went against them. Really me, this is the first time I actually even talk about it. Like I was confused, because I thought everybody was family, I thought everybody was cool, everybody, you know,

I never did a song with Drake, I never got a dollar from him, I never benefited from him, but he's a great person. And just because I got a friend who got a bunch of money who was the biggest rapper in the world don't mean he got to make records with me. It don't mean I could just love them because I love them. And so in the hip hop sense, it was a great battle. But to answer your thing, if I was Drake, I'd be very confused on how they all collapsed on me. Because a lot of people, like you said, ate off the plate that Drake said.

And for you, okay, I get it, people are going at him. And it's easy when people are, it's easy to pile on once someone else has got you down. Man. And it seems like Kendrick was doing his thing. It was a nice, it was a nice record. It was played. They played, I mean, they played it like- Oh no, LA, forget it. Not played. Played.

You go to LA right now, they playing that thing every two seconds. Power 106 is that Kendrick Lamar station. Five times an hour. Or every 30 minutes. Oh no, it's crazy out there. It's crazy. But you know, hip hop battles have always happened since the beginning of time.

We encourage it if there's no violence involved. You got to come out to the yard. That's why I didn't understand why J. Cole ain't come out to the yard. He ain't come out to the yard. So I don't know. You know, I think J. Cole's one of the best. You understand? And maybe he started staying with his thing with head to that.

He's like, I don't even care. But you got to come to the yard with demand summons you. You got to come Joe. You got to come. You got, huh? You got to come to the yard with the man, Summich. You got to come, Joe. You got to come to the yard. You got to come. You got to come to the yard. And I love J. Cole, and I love his music, but he got to come to the yard.

Like, you got to, this is hip hop. That's how it started. From day one, Busy B, Kumo D, LL Cool J, Ice T, Kumo D. Like, this thing ain't new. Karras 1, MC Shan, Roxanne Shante, this is what it is. You know you gotta come to the yard. So what are your thoughts about Kendrick submitting the song for the Grammys?

And it's nominated like what, four or five times? Song of the year, record of the year? It's safe to say he got one. When I heard that, and then bam bam bam, must've done the beat, bam bam, I said oh he got one, he got one. Yeah. Even if it wasn't even a rap battle, it had nothing to do with a rap battle, he said they not like us, they not, it would have been a super smash. No matter what of course the energy He's he rode in on the energy

Everything you know America love a big fight. Yeah, that's why we watch football every Sunday. That's why we watch the boxing matches Yes, yes, what we love that shit. You know I'm saying we get and then we love a guy That's good that we want to see him lose. Mm- the Kobe's on, I used to die for Kobe to lose. I'd be like, no, I hate Kobe. He wins all the time, till he passed away. I cried like a baby and said, damn, bro, we need Kobe. You know what I'm saying? So that's what America's built on.

America's built on a big fight, the talk, the diss. That's never gonna change. 30 years from now, will we look back on not like us, like no Vaseline, hit them up, going between Nas? One billion percent, one billion percent. Ether, if we're gonna look. Some people say bigger. Some people say it's bigger.

Because you got Drake. Yeah. This man put out here, it, how many years, Rich? 15 years. We had never heard in our life Drake not on the radio with a hit. He looked like a god. And then he goes to war with this other little fella who going hard. And then the homeboy pulls out a

go shorty, it's your birthday, we going party, that's what they not like us is. They not like us is like a lean back. It's an anthem. You can find me in the club, yeah that's going forever. I think one time you compared, you said Drake is like Ja Rule and I guess Kendrick is like 50. No I never said that.

Okay, put it in the words how you framed it. I never said that. Okay, so if we're looking at this battle, Ja Rule, 50, Drake. I just think Drake. Because Drake is so big? No, no, no, I just think Drake, he might have lost the battle.

You know what I'm saying? But I think he lives on to make more hits. He still does his stadiums. I still think he's the biggest rap star in the world. Like, I don't I think he's the biggest rap star in the world. By losing this, does he lose? Does he does any luster, any shine come off his luster? Yeah, but we'll soon to see.

We'll soon to see because if Drake comes out with 10 hits in a row, 15 hits in a row, we forget that he lost the battle. See the problem with J.R.U.L. and 50 is that 50 slowed him up to where before that J.R.U that Jaru was the Drake of the term with all the hits. That's what you mean. So what I'm saying is I believe that Drake will drop 10, 15 hits in a row and it'll be

like, yo, you caught that L that time. Like some, you know, some people think Jay-Z lost to Nas, but Jay-Z is Jay-Z. Correct. You understand? So I think that'sZ's Jay-Z. Correct. You understand? So I think that's what's gonna happen with this. Can you explain the jaw rule in 50 Cent B to the best of your estimation?

What transpired and why did it become? They didn't just leave it on the wax. I mean, it seemed like it was really personal and they sincerely, genuinely dislike each other. Forever. And still. You know I had it. You know I was squashing the beef.

Right. Fat Joe was squashing the beef. I had it. And Irvin John was like, nah, we ain't squashing shit. Yeah, yeah, I swore I had it. Like I don't want to put it on 50, but I think 50 was almost like, yo, Joe, whatever you want to do.

So I had that. And then when I went to them, they was like, fuck that, this, this, that. Do I recommend for beef to be 20, 30 years? I think that's dumb. I think it should be over. I think it would be, show I think it would be show amazing growth for hip hop music if those two squashed. Yes. Yes.

And we move on. Right. Like, you know, like me, I moved on. Like, you know, you got to move on from these moments. They stuck in some shit. And every time you just move on. 50, it seems like when 50 get into it with somebody, 50 don't lose. He don't. And he don't care. He'll keep. He'll keep.

I had a show with 50 two nights ago. That's why I'm laughing. He was talking my ear off like the ear off. And you know, this guy, he's so smart And you in the club and he talking smart shit to you and you're like, yo, Fiv. Like, yo, we in the club. He's like, yo, because Evan Eshner, this, I'm like, yo, Fiv.

Like, you know, I'm proud of him because he come from the hood. He come from a tough background. They got all the people he fed with all his power and ghosts and his team. See, that's how I look at hip hop. When I see young Doug, yeah, I want him out of jail. I want him to employ the 100 people.

I want him to take care of his family. I want to make sure his kids go to private school. That's how I look at all artists as they get to feed so many people. Fat Joe, you see right here, I feed about 100 people. You know, families eat Thanksgiving because of Fat Joe. You know, I'm talking about people who personally work for me. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, I'm proud of him.

I'm proud of Ja Rule. I'm proud of all my brothers. I'm at the point where I'm about positivity over everything. I could see through the bullshit and be like, yo bro, you know, you got to get this money together. You get your brand, I'm gonna get my brand. We don't need to be beefing. What we beefing for?

Matter of fact, talking about bread, I brought you a gift. Okay. It's called Rewind to 10, and it says, why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Now, Shannon, I'm not putting you in the age group, but maybe you want your line sharper. Maybe you want your line sharper.

You see, we got that Tyson Beckford, we got that Tank, we got that Travis Kelce, Nicky Jam, Brody Jenner, Fat Joe, DJ Khaled. So that's a CVS, Sally's Beauties, we work it. So you want me to get rid of some of these grays on the side. Get the grays off, man. You know the girls, don't let them lie to you. If a woman tells you she wants you gray

and she likes you, she's trying to keep you out the game. Because why look 54 when you can be 44? Why look 43 when you can look 33? That's bullshit. I mean, our women, they go first thing. I don't know about you. My daughter's 18. Hey, everyone.

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You have to tune in to find out. So tap in to Off the Edge with Cam Jordan's podcast, your ultimate playbook for all things football and not football. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Right. Every week she gets 10 facials. I don't know how they find time for that shit. Right, they take care of themselves.

Or find the money for it. All that's, oh no, she got it. Oh, you got it. No, they got it. They got it. Y'all Shannon, they got it, man, they got it. And it's like, but they take care of themselves. Right.

I don't see no gray hair on my wife or none of her friends. Why we can't take care of ourselves? Rewind it. Is it true that you lost a $20-plus-million-dollar endorsement deal with Brandon Jordan because of your beef with 50? Yeah. I don't know if it was $20 million,

but I was designing it with Michael Jordan himself. So I had seven meetings with him before any, before they mess with any rapper ever created. So you about to be Travis Scott before Travis Scott? Yes, yes. So we were sitting down, we was designing the sneakers seven times, I came to Vegas, I came all over. And right before we was about to finalize the deal, we had that beef on the MTV Awards,

where me and 50 went at each other live on the MTV Awards. And then I got a phone call the next day, I'll never forget, I was in Jamaica, and it was like, yo, Big Joe, because you know, Michael Jordan called me Big Joe. He called me Big Joe. He said, Big Joe, you know I don't like controversy at this and maybe in the future this this that

And I was right there and that and you know rap beef fucked up a lot of my money You know what I'm saying? Because if you mess with 50 said if you mess with Jay-Z people don't know we asked some blem into rap beef with Jay-Z So if you mess with Jay-Z, you can't give me no money because you gotta be lawyer to Jay-Z. You gotta be lawyer to 50 Cent. You know? That's the Reebok deal.

That's the Reebok deal. That you had in place. Oh, they shut me down with that one. Wow. But you know, I understand in war that they didn't want me to get financially secured like that because they knew I was dangerous.

So I never cried about it, you know what I'm saying? I just took it like it is and just know that God loves me and I was eventually going to get my money anyway, you know. But you're currently, you're cool with, you're cool with Fitty. Oh no, I love him. He's my brother. 50 Cent's my brother too. I love them both and and I champion them, and I'm happy for them, and they happy for me. Right.

When they see me doing good, they happy for me. They give me the call, be like, yo, congrats on the TV show, yo, this, this, that. I'm cool with both of them. That's what I'm trying to tell you. This rap beef shit, it ain't about nothing. What it's about is you uniting and getting money and taking care of your people and your community

and inspiring the youth that's coming behind you. You know what I'm saying? That ain't, you know, rap beef ain't never make me a dollar. But that's grown man stuff. How do you get to the point? How do you get these young, younglings, these young men How do you get to the point, how do you get these young men and women to get to a point that they can have adult conversation?

Well, the problem is you gotta realize that we got into hip hop to get out of the bullshit. Don't bring it with you. You know, so we got out of, how many times we said, yo, we wanna get out the hood, we wanted this. Now you got it. Now you living in a nice house,

you taking care of your moms, your crew. You know, stay focused on making your music, being creative, being the best artist you can be, and stay away from all that other shit. Because that ain't about nothing. And the biggest rule you got to think about is when you an artist, when you got your crew or your entourage or your gang or whoever,

those other guys don't look at the world like you. And so you looking at it, you be like, yo, I could be the next Yo Gotti. I could be the next Master P. I could be the next this. If your crew ain't thinking the same thing, they'll fuck your whole shit up. Because they don't care.

Right. Because this is Johnny Two Toms. Who's Johnny Two Toms? Well, he killed the same guy two times. You think he give a fuck about what you thinking about business or what's your next creative sound or what movie you want to do? He don't care.

Right. His job is to kill somebody two times. He'll fuck the whole shit up for everybody. So you got to watch who you got and then let your crew know, yo, we going this way. You know, my brother's here with me now, Pistol Pete, Pistol Pete, the jail legend. Pistol Pete, one of the guys like Pistol Pete ain't in the street. Pistol Pete wanted to be, guys like Pistol Pete ain't in the street. They just ain't.

But I had to tame him. Yo bro, we living good, ain't you in Vegas and sweets? Ain't you like chill? And over the years, well he's way past that, he's a grown ass man, but I had to work with him and my crew, see, cause if you're a real leader, your people shouldn't be going to jail. Your guys can easily be manipulated by you

to do some shit and go to jail for 20 years. A true leader don't send them to jail. He keeps his crew with him. He keeps them right. So, you know, you sell them your pistol. When I win, you win. I don't want you in jail, brother. I don't want to go visit you in jail. You my

brother. And now he goes to Rikers Island and all places, mentoring the youth, talking to them how to change their life when they get out. And he has a podcast too called Dog in the Yard. But that's what I'm talking about. That's the true transformation. You got to watch the guys in your crew because the feds are. They watching your crew. The hip hop police, oh they watching your crew.

They're not even watching you. They watching your crew. Now who's that? Who's that? Who's that? Who's that? Now let's see what they doing. And then that all trickles back to you and jams you up.

Like they did Bobby Schmurda. Bobby Schmurda wasn't a bad guy. He was a good kid, he got jammed up. He was keeping it real with his crew from the hood and bringing them to the studio and somehow got caught up in some shit and went to jail for seven, eight years. That kid had such a promising career,

you know, they took it from him. You signed with Rock Nation. What made you sign? Because you couldn't sign with anybody. What made you sign with Rock Nation? There's a woman named Desiree Perez. So she called me into the office. I had already made peace with Jay-Z.

He was already on the All the Way Up remix. And she sat me down. And so this is OG Juan's wife. She sat me down and said, yo, you know, I think you should be a rock nation artist and we should manage it, you know? And to them, you know, in this game of chess, Fadjo was a real big piece to grab on the board.

So she said, I know you're doing a deal right now. And the deal was for a million dollars. I thought I negotiated a great deal. I was negotiating a deal with somebody. Let's just say one million dollars for this glass of water. She said, what if I told you I call that guy right now and they give you three and a half million for that same deal you negotiated for one million? I said, let me see.

She dialed the number, called the dude, said, yo, you doing a deal with Fat Joe? Yeah, yeah, you know this. She was like, yeah, it's for one million, right? Yeah, it's three and a half million now. We manage him. He said, sure, I'll send the check tomorrow, Des. Hung up the phone. Wow. That was it for me. He was like, said, sure, I'll send the check tomorrow, Des. Hung up the phone.

Wow. That was it for me. He's like, OK, yeah, yeah. No, no, that's it. That's it for me. I come from nothing. When I see that type of power, I was like, oh, no, I need that. Like, that's that.

You know, and we've been happily ever after. But Joe, how does one set aside his pride? Because like you said, you had a little subtle, not major, with holes. How did you set that aside and say, man, I'm gonna get at this money? That's BS. Later for that, set that to the side.

Let me go get this paper. You know what they did to me, Shannon, and I'm guilty of many, many, many, many crimes. Never rape, never murder. But I robbed people, I did everything you could do. Sold every drug you could do, whatever. So now I turn my life legit, and I trust these accountants,

and the accountant fucked me and didn't pay my taxes while I was sending them wire transfers. The feds come, my lawyer shows them that we was paying them the wire transfers and that he didn't pay my taxes. The feds came back and said, you as the leader of your household is responsible for whoever you hire. So I wound up going to jail and they took all my money,

millions of dollars from me and left me dead broke. And so I had to come, I never made an excuse. I never borrowed money from nobody. I have friends that were millionaires that offered me, yo Joe, take a million pit bull with a rapper. Yeah. He the only one. He offered me money.

But all my other friends that are rich, they were like, yo Joe, let me give you a million dollars. You pay me back. Yo this, my man E. Philly came crying to me with a duffel bag of cash. Like please, y'all, I can't take nobody's money. So I went and performed in Yugoslavia, Africa, China, Poland, wherever you named that had a dollar attached to the bottom of the table.

I was out there. I made no excuses. Thank God I came back. And so when God showed you that it could all be snatched away and then you got an opportunity to put things aside and work with the powerful people in the game and get money together. I would be a fool to turn that down. This Dame Dash is taking shots at you. He was one of the most powerful guys in position.

He was a whole Rockefeller. And he's take, I had him on my show and he didn't want to talk about anything, but occasionally he'll go on his IG live and say this, this, and this. What's the issue? What's going on with that? I don't have no issue with Dane Dash.

Actually, I went back to the video. That's why I stopped doing my lives. I went back to see, yo, did I diss him? I didn't diss him. And he took something I had said prior and just accepted that. And he said that I said he was delusional. I did not say he was delusional. I just said, I use an example

what Jay-Z said in the record, if you made hoes, go make another hoe. Right. And I ain't seen nobody make another hoe, right? Now, Dave Dash, you know, he has a, he's in the point of his life. It's very sad to see what's going on with Dave Dash, right? But sometimes, you're so smart

that you stand in the way of yourself and you block your own blessings. And you just going and going and he responded to me so, he know what time, Damon Dash, you know what time it is. Like don't, you know that, right? He could have just, he can. No, no, no, but he just know the difference between me and him. Right.

Let's be clear. Okay. Come on Joe. So, so the way he came at me was for me to respond and then I felt like this was all a clout clickbait and it wasn't that serious. I respect him as a brilliant mind. I respect, hear this too Dave. I respect him as a brilliant mind, I respect, hear this too, Dave.

I respect him as a brilliant mind, somebody who contributed to hip hop so much. And like I said, I'm in positivity. My immediately fat joke warrior was to snap back to start. And I realized, like, yo bro, like, this is the man, he did so much for hip hop culture. I can't, I can't drag him while he's down.

That's just not in me, you know what I mean? So I just stepped to the side. I let him go at me, take some shots. I was like, all right, damn cool. You know what I'm saying? But it's sad to see where he's at right now, to be honest with you. I don't know where he's at, but it's sad.

How do you think Jay-Z is doing in the role that he has with the NFL? Feel great. I mean, the last year was Usher. Usher broke a record. Yeah, I think it's what, didn't he have Rihanna? I think Rihanna. Rihanna before that, J-Lo with Shakira,

it's been incredible. Dre, Snoop, 50, M, Mary J. Now let's go, let's go. I did understand Lil Wayne's point of view. Okay. I did understand Cash Money's point of view. New Orleans is a small market, those are the kings in New Orleans.

Either way, I love Kendrick Performed, and Kendrick is the hottest guy in 2024. So I understood that, but I did, you know, usually when people do some shit, I'm really like, yeah, my man, come on, please. This was legit. This was legit that Lil Wayne could've performed and held down the halftime, could've brought Drake, he could've brought Nicki Minaj,

he could've brought the Hot Boys. I mean, Minaj, he could have brought the hot boys. I mean, you know, it was legit. It was legit. It was like, I understand, I don't want to take none from Kendrick Lamar because he earned it. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, I wouldn't have minded to cash money half time. Is it a situation because we saw what happened at the LA Super Bowl where they had

Dre, they had Snoop? Because prior to that we had never seen a situation where a hometown act got to perform because when it was in Atlanta they had Maroon 5. At last I checked Maroon 5 ain't from the 8. They bypassed Usher, they bypassed Outkast and TI and Luda and Whomever Future, all those. Well who did did that? That was before Jay-Z married. That was before who? Yeah, absolutely, you're absolutely right. But I'm saying, so I think that we thought that once Jay-Z got in there, and they saw Dr. Dre,

and they saw Snoop at L.A., they just automatically assume now, if the Super Bowl's in somebody's hometown, oh, they gonna get it, and it doesn't work like that. Does not, does not. It's a lot of politics that get involved. You know, just like you, you from LA, right? You live in LA. Yeah.

Every one second is Kendrick Lamar on that radio. Yeah. The people who make decisions on the NFL live in LA. And they're listening to that radio, and every one second is Kendrick Lamar. So they thinking that's all over America ringing off like that. And so they picked him. He's the biggest guy for 2024.

I love it either way. And who's to say that he doesn't bring out Lil Wayne? Who's to say they don't rock out like that? You know? And bring what? The cash money or bring out Master of No Limit soldiers or some, have some aspect of the New Orleans. Yeah, me and Axl, I'm a big fan of New Orleans hip hop from day one.

You know what I'm saying? They helped this hip hop evolve, the cash money, the no limit. You know, New Orleans has always been the shit in hip hop. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they could have, would you have felt better if they'd have brought out limit that, you know, New Orleans always been the shit in hip hop. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they could have, would you have felt better if they'd have brought out the Neville Brothers, if they'd have brought out Wynton and Brandon Marcellus? Not me.

I'm just saying. So, I mean, Harry Connors Jr., they're a native. God bless them. Maybe they could have played behind them. Now I would have respected it if Lil Wayne was performing and the Neville Brothers are playing the music behind them, that's inclusion. But to hear that, I'd rather hear Kendrick Lamar

or the Cash Money crew. Right. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shae Shae Profile and I'll see you there. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, 1974.

George Foreman was champion of the world. Ali was smart and he was handsome. Story behind the Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, B.B. King, Miriam Makeba. All the biggest black artists on the planet. Together in Africa James Brown, Bill Withers, BB King, Miriam Makeba, all the biggest

slack artists on the planet. Together in Africa. It was a big deal. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, y'all? It's Cam Jordan from the New Orleans Saints here to tell you it's going down. On season two of my podcast, Off the Edge with me, Cam Jordan. Catch new episodes every Wednesday and I'll have the biggest NFL stars join me to give a player's perspective of the biggest storylines, trends, and did that really just happen moment from around the league. So tap in to Off the Edge with Cam Jordan's podcast, your ultimate playbook for all things football and not football. Listen on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up everybody. It's Peter Schrager. We're back for the season with Peter Schrager. In each episode of the season, I'm going to empty my proverbial notebook and take you inside and behind the scenes on the conversations that happen at the highest levels of NFL franchises.

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