Club Shay Shay - Lamar Odom

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

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Kanye and Kim, Khloe and Lamar, Kim and Kanye. my life been grinding all my life sacrifice hustle paid the price want a slice got the rolling dice that's why all my life i've been grinding all my life hello welcome to another edition of club shea shea i am your host also the proprietor of club shea shea and the guy that's stopping by for a drink and conversation today is a two-time nba champ nba sixth man of the year olympic medalist one of the best basketball players to come out of the state of New York New York Times best-selling author and reality TV star Lamar Odom Lamar how you doing bro I'm good bro never been better good to see you you look good I'm healthy you help

sir let's talk about you had a big new purchase that was trending and everybody was talking about it the grill the grill the grill talk tell us about the grill nah i don't know um just moved back to california right so got um you moved back from cali from where um from atlanta how was atlanta and what was it like it was cool it was cool out I like Atlanta you like it yeah I mean I went to the strip club last night I was there magic I don't know which one was it stroker it was one room and the whole no half of the strip club half the of these dudes have their pistols on their head. Oh yeah, Georgia, the state of Georgia, yeah, this is an open carrier, so everybody can carry a piece.

Absolutely. Where I come from, I'm uncomfortable when I see a pistol. Yeah, you go to my grandfather used to say, boy, if you got to take a gun to go somewhere, you don't need to be in that place. Yeah. So yeah, oh yeah, everybody, everybody straddles, everybody, you know, this ain't the place for me. Now half these young dudes is on drugs, you know what I'm saying? Right. Like, it's probably time to get out of here. So tell us about the teeth.

You decided to get, you decided to get... Oh, my manager, my manager wanted me to get new teeth. Shout out to Gina Rodriguez. Right, she wanted you to get the new teeth. She said, why not? I mean, I was smiling. A new Lamar. Yeah.

I would owe her. The rebirth. The rebirth of Lamar. Yeah. NBA legend, let's go back to the beginning, New York City. What was it like growing up in South Jamaica, Queens? What do Lamar Odom always aspire to be? The next Magic Johnson, I think that's what kind of stirred me in the right path. Because that's what everybody was saying.

A 6'10 guy, a lefty, but can handle the ball. He wasn't a center. He wasn't a four. He's a point. I was a guard. A point guard. I wish I would have got drafted as a... I wish I would have... In college, I wish I would have made my position point guard. Right. Because that's what I would have got drafted as. Right.

And that's what everybody would have played me as that's my career but because well i mean i think the thing because you were so versatile yes you could handle the ball but you skilled you could play with your back to the basket yeah because playing a point guard is different yeah yeah you know what i'm saying and being a player on the court that can handle the ball. Right. You know, in a totally different position. So, but… And I always played the game from a point guard's point of view. Right. No matter what position I was.

So in other words, you wanted the ball to be more in your hand because you felt you got, yeah, you are a guy that just could… Well, I understand the tempo. Right. On how to, you know, speed, if we should push it or slow it down. Right. I think that's why I was always one of the two guards of the triangle offense. Right. On how to, you know, speed, if we should push it or slow it down. Right. I think that's why I was always one of the two guards of the triangle offense. Right.

Either me or Kobe or me and Fish. So as highly recruited as you were coming out of the state of New York, why did you choose Rhode Island? Oh, that's a long story. Well, I was supposed to go to UNLV. Okay. But they said I had cheated on my SAT test. Okay. Did you? no V okay but they said I had cheated on my SAT test okay did you how's my 610

black man gonna cheat on the SAT says the same well five three Chinese first dude I do do score too much so what you score to way too high hello that's your question would you score it's like almost like an 1800 or something. Hold on, you got 1800. So what were your grades like in high school? It was like damn near 70. So it didn't match up. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Come on, Lamolo. You would be an average student if you damn near Einstein of SAT. He scored too much. You don't blame him, not me. You know what I'm saying? You gotta blame him, Shani, not me. He was supposed to miss saying? You got to blame him, not me. He was supposed to miss a few more equations, huh?

Yeah. So you go to Rhode Island, you make the most of a situation that you didn't think you were going to be in. So I had to sit out one year at URI. I played next year. I hit a big-time shot, beat Temple. Right. And decided to go to the NBA. Okay.

You go to the NBA. You hire an agent. So what are you hearing? When you go to the draft camp and when you go visit these teams, what are they telling Lamar Odom? I could have been a number one pick. No doubt in my mind. If you had gone back another year in college or?

That year I could have been a number one pick, but I had an interview with the Chicago Bulls okay and they didn't really go to well how you have up a job interview now I'm gonna interview a mom I know no no no it was something like a really really personal arm Jerry Krause, God bless him. Yeah. I was having dinner with him. Right. And he asked me, did I have problems on the court concentrating because my father was HIV positive?

My father never had a discussion with me before. Right. And so I didn't know whether to be offended or, like, give him the question he wanted. So I kind of, like, just brushed it. It was like a dickhead to him. Okay. And I feel like blew it. Okay.

You lose your mom at a very young age from colon cancer. Your dad, I think he's addicted to heroin. heroin yeah so he ended up contracting HIV HIV yeah you never you and your dad never had that discussion no did you feel were you ashamed because because do you think I was able was he ashamed because I don't I don't know I don't know because I don't I don't think he I don't know. Because I don't think he... I don't know if he knew me and my father never had that conversation. I don't know if...

What type of relationship did you have with your father? At that time, it was... It was getting better. I would say by that time, it was getting better. Did you feel that once your mother had passed away, did you think your father probably should have like, dad, you need to clean up your act.

You need to, I don't know if you had siblings, that you had siblings. No, I'm the only child. So did you feel some type of way towards your dad? No, I never really blamed him at that point in time. At that point in time, I didn't really understand addiction but i kind of like really didn't blame him for his addiction okay right i'm saying almost like felt pitiful did you wish you had had that discussion to have a better understanding of addiction hell yeah

you say you was kind of a uh rest his soul jerry cross you said you was kind of a lack of a better word a dickhead to him. So what did you say? So when he asked you, he asked you, how did you feel about your dad being HIV positive? Yeah. Remember now, you're on a job interview. You're trying to get this job. That's what you're trying to do.

You're trying to get this job. I don't even remember if I answered the question. Right. Did you feel it was too personal of a question? Yeah, at that time I had no idea that the NBA was that. They'd ask questions like that? You know what I mean? It was like that involved.

You thought it was going to be all basketball-related questions, huh? Yeah. How old were you when you started playing basketball? Who was your favorite basketball player? I didn't really think they was going to be asking me questions about this neighborhood drug dealer or this guy from my neighborhood rush Did you get so like in the NFL to give you what they call the Wonderlic test It was just standardized test to see your cognizant. See how well you function if they ask questions

Do they give you a test like that in the NBA? No Not that no not that I can remember. I don't like that. I think they more feel like they just know you from recruiting you. Right. Watching you. When you're not watching. How well were you prepared to do those interviews? Because like you said, you're going to be a very high draft pick. And so obviously you're going to go around to four or five different teams. Yeah. Were you prepared for some of the questions that they potentially could ask?

No, because I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know it was. Did you take the process? Did you take it serious? Did you take this process? Oh,

hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You do realize the interview was going to be more than on court. Yeah. Or did you think it was just gonna be, okay, they're gonna bring me in, I'm gonna do- None of this was gonna be a workout. Right. It was gonna be some questions.

Right. They're gonna try to figure your personality out. Right. You played against Ron Artest, Elton Brand in high school. Yeah. I think you ended up playing T-Mac. Mm-hm. What was that like? Did you, I mean, prior to, obviously you were like a 6'10 lefty that could

handle the ball, point guard, that's an anomaly. Yeah. There have been a lot of 6'10 guys, power forward, 6'10 center, things like that, but not a 6'10 point guard. Yeah. What's going through your mind? Well, at that time in my my life I was just hyped just to play against the best you're competing against the best right just wanna go against the best were you destroying everybody in New York so you

wanted I mean a wrong wrong was the only competition for me and then outside in New York Tracy McGrady right but like for me Ron Ron was my toughest competition since like 12 years old but you you you you you trained and you played against Colby in high school what was what was Colby like at the high school player same as he was in the NBA so he's always had that dog he's all head he's always had I got to get you. Always tunnel vision. Basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball. Basketball, basketball. In all your years, high school, the year in college, the NBA,

have you ever seen a player more focused or or as focused as Colby was to his craft the only man did I look up to is Jesus mm-hmm but get comfortable I want to show you something okay that's cool on the neck, right here? Yeah. Is that Kobe? Yes, sir. Man, that's... Look.

He is like... To get another man tattooed on you that's not a relative, not a brother, not a son, not a dad. That's a heck of an honor to bestow a man. I mean every day I live I try to

my mentality try to be the best why did Kobe have such a big impact on LeVar because Kobe rolled people if Kobe didn't feel you doing your thing because he knew he knew in his heart Because Kobe rode people. If you didn't, if Kobe didn't feel you doing your thing, Kobe rode. No, because he knew in his heart that I wanted to leave. You two wanted the same thing.

Yes. But you just kind of going about it a different way. Yes. Yes, because growing up in Miami, stuff like that, our personalities wasn't the same, but we had one thing in mind. I bleed purple and gold. You do?

Mm-hmm. Okay, so you get drafted. What's your favorite? And I'm drafted by the Clippers. Clippers? I still get a lot of Clipper love, too. The Clippers, Lakers, Heat. Yeah.

But you bleed purple and gold. I mean, you cool with the Clippers. They in the basement. They in the basement. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we might let them out this year. We might not. They got a good team this year.

To be determined. They got a good team this year. They had a good team last year. They did. Oh, you don't. Is Kawhi and PG going to stay healthy? I don't know. Or they going to be dressed like me and you?

I know LeBron and AD is. If LeBron and AD healthy, we all right. Yeah, yeah. Or LeBron. We got to get the triangle offense back, though. I mean, Darvin, you got to have somebody that can coach it. There's enough Lakers out there. Yeah, I don't see that.

Like, let's preserve LeBron's career. Yeah. Let me ask you this. You were so talented coming out of high school. Why didn't you go straight to the NBA like T-Mac,

like Kobe, like Garnett? Because I told my grandma I would go to college. But you went for one year, Lamar. I can see if you told your grandma you would get a degree.

I told her I would give it a shot. I said, Grandma, I'm going to give it a shot. I know it wasn't going to stay long. Right. She knew I wasn't going to stay long. Right. But she said, baby, just go for it. So I went.

You went. Yeah. Because she went back to school at 50 years old and graduated. So her love of education was, she was born in Georgia in 1923. Okay. You know what I'm saying in 1923 okay run late time my grandmother let me ask you this oh you know what it's very interesting that you said that

because your grandmother raised you after your mother and my grandmother raised me so there's something about hearing things from your grandmother and when you promise granny something it's something that resonates like okay I gotta go through with this I gotta make this happen

it's a huge advantage too being raised by someone that's so much older than you. Yeah. Get that wisdom passed down to you. I don't know what it is, but sometimes I feel like grandparents love grandkids more than they love their own kids. You know, for me. I'm not a grandfather, so. No, but I'm just saying. Yeah.

Do you think your grant your grandmother loved it well I think in our community and the black community grandmothers you know something this sacred the mothers yeah so so you could tell them the story earlier that you spoke you were supposed to go to UNLV yeah but the grades did you did you apply yourself in high school or did you know what my mother my mother passed away lucky I was a good kid I never really offended anybody right and I had a this huge a massive talent right or that people like he fell for classes pass them all I don't play one more month let him finish the year I let him finish the season out but I never

really applied myself in school right my mother passed away like folks right yes do you feel that that they haunts me now, right? That's why when I did this some last reality show College Hill mm-hmm. We went back to a HBCU. Yes. I'm back to Texas Southern. Okay strays, oh, I'm a model. Oh Michael Strahan's am about yes, that's right. Yes. I'm here Wow, I know that because I was a peewee football legend to you know You know about me either. Hey, first of all, I don't know.

I'm trying to tell you, man. Lamar, you always been tall. I had quarterback. I was a problem, man. Lamar, you probably was 6'5 and 11". In my last football game, I threw the game winning touchdown pass, man. This is not, no bullshit. Did you ever want to play football? I did. I went to football practice. One football practice. Next day in high school, coach, Coach Oliva calls Lamar Odom down to his office. So I go down to his office. He's like, Lamar, we ain't bringing you here to play football.

That was the end of that. That was it. Because when I was going to school, it was a Catholic school, so it was tuition. Right. So if your tuition is paid for, the coach gonna have to bring you. Yeah, right.

So that was it for that. Obviously, as great a high school player as you were, you were on the AAU circuit. What's your thoughts on AAU basketball and where it's headed now? Do you think it's a help? Do you think it's a detriment to some of these kids? I think it's a help because, you know, look at what they do in Europe. A lot of those kids are turning pro at 14 15 16 I love a

basketball right it's where I hone my skills and where I was able to play against all the best players in the country right I think it's necessity I like a you basketball I like any you sports as long as the parents don't get involved we see in Paris they go into parents are doing too much now. They fighting they fighting other parents. They fighting officials We just saw the we saw your referee just get shot and killed in Texas They get the parent in the parents be doing too much the box. There's a lot of little falls out there The bar was good the body fight nobody now. He was good, but you know I mean as far as Pushing his product. Right.

Or thinking, hey, my boy's the best. My boy's the best. Right. But sometimes that's what it take. So kudos to LeVar. He got two of them to the league. I respect that. What did you mean when you said AAU coaches in New York are inappropriately

messing with some of these players? Oh, man. Um... Oh, until I got to college... Mm-hmm. ...my grandmother always asked me, Ma, that coach ever try to touch you? He try to ever put his hand to you? Because, you know, in the AAU world we know that happens

a lot. Especially in New York. I'm not going to call out the names or put him on front street. I really never knew that. I mean you hear stories of like swimming and tennis and gymnastics. You hear a lot with sports like that. I can't recall off the top of my head hearing anything with basketball this is news to me yeah my coach who I played for Christ the King had a case like he was touching

kids that played right and I yeah I seen some he did some I seen some crazy shit you didn't think to tell anybody or what? You just like... You know what? When you so young... Right. It goes over your head. It's when you become much older you realize, like...

Why would a man sit his seat down when we taking showers at? Right. Right. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Weed College. right you know what i mean uh weed college when did you first start smoking weed was it college was it high school were you you deal with no i was situation with your mom i i started smoking weed like 15 years old just because or was it a coping mechanism or you 15 years old, we were just hanging out.

Smoking weed. We were smoking weed together. We would smoke weed. If you're smoking weed, I'm going to smoke weed. I don't even think it was for a reason. At that time, maybe subconsciously. What about drinking? I don't drink a lot.

When did smoking weed graduate to something more? When ambience changes, you know what I'm saying? Having different friends in different places. It changed. Did you think like, I mean did it ever cross your mind like that? I never think I was gonna have no drug problem cuz I from shit that I seen right You know, I've seen you know, that's the mothers of all most people say that ain't gonna happen to me I've seen mothers aunts and fathers come to the park One day and then the next month you see him

Tore down, you know, I'm saying it. Yeah, I mean you're in New York City so you know what the crack epidemic is. Exactly. And I'm an athlete. Right. So I thought I could probably overcome anything but I never think one hit of cocaine was going to do that to me. Right. And what got you hooked?

It was like, that time it was the best old guys I've ever had. Wow. Did the drug addiction lead to other addictions like sex or gambling? I've always liked women. You know, it's so funny when you say that because I didn't really realize I could have a sex addiction until I was in touch with me having a drug addiction. Right. You know what I'm saying?

And you submit to your drug addiction. So you can realize, damn, I think I might be addicted to this or I might be addicted to that. When you hear sex addiction. Because coke and sex came hand in hand with me. Really? If I wasn't having sex with somebody else, coke and sex came hand in hand with me. Really? If I wasn't having sex with somebody else, I was having sex with myself the whole night.

The whole night. Right. You know. So it was, be it women, be it watching porn, be it pleasuring yourself, it had to be something damn near daily. Yeah. 100%. And you didn't think,

so you doing this daily, you don't think you got an addiction, you think that's normal? But you ain't, when you recording it, you ain't really. You don't really look at it like that. You can't see the,

you can't see outside from inside. It's like somebody that smoke a lot of weed, right? If you smoke a lot of weed, if somebody smoke a lot of weed, and they come in here, you're like, damn, you smell like weed. Somebody that smoke weed, be like, they ain't gonna even smell it.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So when you're on the inside, you can't see outside. You can't. Especially with addiction. So when did you realize, so you go, okay, which did you have, which do you think you had first? The drug addiction or the sex addiction? Or they happened simultaneous?

That was the drug addiction or the sex addiction? Or they happen simultaneously? There was the drug addiction first. Okay. But me realizing I had a drug addiction, like, damn, you were addicted to sex too. Right. Because they was together. In college, obviously, if you're an athlete, the women going to come. It's easy. And you're like, okay, this is cool.

But then you become a professional athlete. It's a whole different ballgame. And a whole different type of woman is in play for a Lamar Odom or any professional athlete. And you're like, hey. But when you're on top, you want a woman at the top. Right. But here's the thing. Athlete, me being an ex-professional

athlete, but damn, yeah, you right. And you, I wish I had met my woman on the way up. So when I get there, I don't have to worry about, damn, I don't know. Does she worry about being at the top? But you can't really. If you meet a woman now,

hopefully she's driven just as much as you. And she ain't it for all the right reasons. That's just like any other friend or anybody. You know what I'm saying? Right. It's hard for me to meet new friends because if you weren't here like when I was coming up. Forget it then.

Because I ought to make what you want. What you want. And sometimes I think that about what you want. But sometimes you got to just say, maybe you can give them what they want. you want and and sometimes i think that about what you want i mean but sometimes you gotta just maybe you can give them what they want maybe you can't because no is a probably the best word and strongest word it is and it's gotten and when the more you say the more you say to somebody it easier it gets though but here's the thing lamar when you're at the level that you ascend to as a professional athlete, being vulnerable and love and weak are two different things.

I think sometimes we look at vulnerability and weakness as together. Man, I can't be henpecked. Man, I can't let her just be whatever. But being vulnerable and love, I i mean you have to submit vulnerability means you'll fall and you don't have to you believe that she'll catch you everybody want a woman like that is like yeah i want a friend like do you believe that that's the question of being vulnerable do you believe that i believe you had you had a woman that would do that i believe chloe was that for. You didn't realize it at the time. Yeah, I didn't.

Because after what you was going through, let's talk about what you went through and the situation in Vegas. The Bunny Ranch. Yeah. You know about that situation that makes me so upset about that? What? Tell me about it. I didn't even do drugs that night.

What? So here I'm going to have a conversation with you and write a book about my ups and downs with drugs and all that shit. I didn't do drugs that night. Because I was mad that night. I didn't have no cocaine to take to the fucking Brompton. Okay. So, how did y'all be, your heart basically damn near exploded, Lamar.

What happened? Whatever they slipped me or gave me, the comedian says, and the drug addict in me says tell me what it was because that must have been some good shit to have me down for three days right ha ha ha ha ha well I didn't do drugs that day when did you did you when did you realize you were in trouble when did you realize that man I feel different this whatever I was there was none of that it was none of that it was no oh oh oh oh wait I went there then we haven't doing right have a drink girls around me woke up three days later and you woke up there three days later in the hospital? 10 tubes out my neck. Look, I got the scars on. Yeah, I saw them.

10 tubes. For real. That's real, real rad. I don't got no reason to lie to you, Shay. You go to the ranch. You wake up three days later in a hospital. You have no recollect, all you know is you went there, you know, you looking around, you chose X, Y, Z, and you're in the hospital.

When you open your eyes, who's around you? Who are some of the first people you see besides the doctors? Obviously, the doctors are there. Chloe. Chloe's there. Now, at the time, you and Chloe are not together. Am I correct? No, we...

I went to... Well, y'all can't be together you had to write I went to the problem because I started the voice papers that's what took me to the brothel that's to let you know what place I was right minutes so you were so why have you if why did you why did you sign the divorce paper did you not try to make it work did you not go to couples therapy we did all that but she wanted okay she gave her what she wanted okay she wanted the divorce but she showed up for you lamar she did not a whole lamar not a whole

lot of women would have done that bro she did she did she did she did do you believe you could have survived it without her survive whatived what? Your situation. What? That's a lonely place. What do you mean, the situation? I think the thing is where you were. If you had to go through that, what you went through alone. Just you and the doctors.

I don't want to take anything from her, but it was God's plan. Her support, of course, helped me. God put her there. So there you go. Right? Because it all comes back to him. Right. So Chloe shows up.

Yeah. Kobe shows up. When you're able to talk and Kobe's there and you're talking, it took months. When I first woke up, I couldn't walk or talk. You had to relearn all that again. So as you're laying in your bed, you can't walk, you can't talk. What's going through your mind? You're like, God, what?

To me, why, what, how, when? The reason why I healed, I think, so fast and so quickly. We can go to see the sign now right now, and they'll treat me like Jesus himself just walked in. Because I never asked the question why. Honestly. And I knew I didn't do drugs or I just like... I don't believe it's part of the book.

Right. It wasn't. I'm here. Right. So, what's there, it gotta be something for me to do now so you so now just asking what is it give you guidance give you strength give you clarity god okay you got me here the strength is there i already now you want the clarity i had 12 heart 12 strokes and six heart attacks what so you're talking about how you feel like yeah i wake up every day like i'm in california and six heart attacks. What?

So you're talking about how you feel, right? I wake up every day, I'm in California, I got a little money in my pocket, I feel good. So when the doctors tell you you had 12 strokes and six heart attacks, they said, Mr. I'm on walking miracles is what they say. I was gonna say, what's the probability? What's the likelihood? Slim or none.

I was pronounced dead, I think, twice. Two times I told my family, say your final goodbyes. I don't think you're gonna make it tonight. Wow. But just to fight a spirit. That shit is in me. You know what I mean?

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Oh, I'm probably like don't never do that shit again. Know how much I mean to people outside from the Lakers and stuff like that. Just like a lot of personal, big brother shit. He came to me, he come to me in dreams too. When I was on the Big Brother house, I was there for 26 days, he came to me in like four dreams. And the last dream, it was really, it was real vivid. And it was it was really um it was real vivid and it was really um he said something to me I'm not gonna ever ever forget and we're having a shooting contest and Kobe was so good at shooting the ball because he can step into the ball with

either foot left or right and then we um we get to the top of the key, and my feet are not right, and it's a little deeper. And we get to the three-point line. Right wing. And he looked back at me. He said, hello. The afterlife ain't what people make it up to be. I was like, oh shit. I woke up.

I didn't know like, I didn't know how to take that. Like, what do you mean? He missed the girls. His mission is not done yet. Get it all in now. Right. Because you don't know what to expect. That shit stuck with me.

So right now, I'm in full throttle, 100 miles an an hour you show me where the work is at show me where I need to put my focus that's how I'm on you're approaching you and I was talking off camera but how do you say you want to get into coaching is your focus like Kobe was, singular in nature, basketball, basketball, basketball, is Lamar's focus coaching, coaching, coaching? If it was coaching, coaching, coaching, then it would be basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball.

Got to have a switch. You said you want to coach in the NBA. Are you willing to maybe do a stint in college or you just figured like just I mean I would I'm gonna be honest I don't know if like I have a you get a high man as a coach you're gonna a lot of basketball experience. You a basketball rain man, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

But like lived it, though. Yeah. You know what I mean? But here's the thing. Let me ask you this. There's a saying that doctors and lawyers say. Those that can't teach, those that can do. Everybody that played the game can't coach the game.

And a lot of the great coaches never played the game. Can you parlay Lamar Odom playing the two-time champion, sixth man of the year, winning a medal? Because a lot of times, the greater the player, the harder it is for him to coach. But if you go to Kobe's book, I wish I would have had the book. Yeah. Because there's a segment where he talk about me being the glue to the team. There's a team with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Right.

He calls Lamar Odom the glue. Right. It had nothing to do with basketball. Right. He was the man. We know he was taking the lastol. Right. He calls Lamar Odom the glue. Right. It had nothing to do with basketball. Right. He was the man. We know he was taking the last shot. Right.

The boy was going to Pau and to post to Pau first. Right. But he called Lamar Odom the glue. Because I understand personality. Right. I can get up with you. We can talk. Play the game.

Shoot around. We can shoot the shit. That's what Phil had. Let me ask you this. That's what what Pat Riley had a lot of times people think if you just put the five best players out there you gonna win but what we've seen it's more than that it's a it's the camaraderie chemistry chemistry gotta have guys I want to go out to eat that way not they're not playing, they're calling on each other, checking on you. Yo, what's up? Good? I'm good. See you tomorrow. A lot of... some people say chemistry is just a class that you take in high school.

So there's more to it than that. It's important. Of course, you play sports. Of course, I understand that. You know that. Hell yeah it is. Is it more? I mean, I just played football and I understand chemistry. You got 53 guys. You got 11 on offense, 11 on defense, and then you got special teams. You got five. There's only like 15 guys. Yeah. You around each other all the time. You on the plane together, you're in meetings, you're in walkthroughs, you're at the game. So basically, I mean,

meetings, you ain't walk through, you at the game. So basically, I mean, you wake up, you walk past each other. I'm going to see you more than my kids. Yes. More than my family. Yes. Throughout the season. Yeah. 100%. That's how the bond's supposed to be. Right. That's why I love the Miami Heat.

And the Lakers. Everything is... You were very upset when they traded you for Miami. You didn't want to leave after a year. No, I didn't want to leave, but I was coming back to L.A. I was a clipper, so I knew how it looked on the other side. I got $7 million to come back home. Right. Not bad? No.

But you have some bad memories because you believe that part of your addiction started in Miami, dealing with the drugs and the sex. Yeah, that was my first time ever having cocaine. But I don't really, I'm true to myself. It could have been anywhere. It just happened to be in Miami. It could have been L.A. It could have been, you know, Oklahoma.

It could have been wherever it was. It could have been. It could have been anywhere. So no hard feelings. Hell no. What is it about Pat Riley? We hear heat culture. What is heat culture?

What is Pat Riley? Pat Riley Discipline. Everything is about what's best for the team. That's it. Discipline. Discipline. Discipline. When I first moved down there, he was like, Ella, I'm going to give you this money, but

you know, you're going to have to move your kids and their mother down there. I'm not going to just give you this money and have you in the streets I was when I first Started to play for Pat Riley. He was the coach still I thought my name was motherfucker I thought my name was motherfucker Motherfucker get your ass on the line. Huh? Huh? Wait, it's like you like a pit bull you on a leash just like huh

second I Read a story. I don't want you. I want you to confirm That for the oh for Olympics. Yeah, I always want to put Olympics you want to play an Olympics But you needed to do something first. You used the fake dick. The fake dick. You used the prosthetic? Yeah.

I hope I ain't blowing it. The Wills of NATO? Yeah, that got a peak soon. I always wanted to play in the Olympics. That was like my big... How did they not know? For me it was like, it was David Stern called my name. Yeah.

Olympics, NBA Championship. Right. Olympics NBA championship Right So how did Did nobody know? Nah Man how you Man how you Lamar

You taking a piss? They ain't gonna Like this That's how they do it In the NFL They be looking They make you drop your droid So you can't be 6'10".

Nah, they ain't going to drop your droid. I'm like this. Big old black dude with a pink wood. Come on, bro. You out there 6'10 with a pink old pink stick. That's all the old love. I wanted to always play in the Olympics. So you did what you had to do to make sure you passed?

That's what I had to do. Have you ever had somebody take a drug test for you? Nah. So that was the only time that you used a prosthetic? Only time. Only time. I see it, he's like looking, he's checking through the glasses. But I'm saying, because, I mean, you can understand how people are going to find that hard to believe.

Because in 2004, you was like, the first thing you go to, okay, I'm going to do the prosthetic. So did somebody tell you about that? I'm like, I'm going to pass the drug test, man, because I knew I was dirty. Right. So if I know I'm dirty, I'm not going to give them this piss. No way. No way. That would have been crazy embarrassing.

Right. You win the bronze. LeBron, I was a gateway dog. That was more embarrassing. What happened? I don't question coaching. But I don't understand how you don't use young Wade, young LeBron, and young Carmelo to your advantage. To switch the pace maybe? Right. Sub five at a time?

Yeah, I don't know. Sub five at a time? It was like ego, first young ego. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. It was disastrous. When you first, you get traded, you get traded as a part of the deal. Shaq goes to Miami, you come to L.A. And the first couple years, it wasn't glamorous. Yeah.

It was tough. It was tough. And you know what the expectation is in Laker Nation. What was that like? It was I mean it was tough on uh On the other players being around eight He wasn't 24 yet but being around eight Because eight was still like stubborn, selfishly stubborn.

Right. He didn't give a fuck. And he would tell you he didn't give a fuck. 24 knew how to... He knew how to talk to people a little bit. Rub the back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What should I do? You know what I'm saying?

How should I approach this dude? You know what I mean? But Aiden, he didn't give a fuck. If he wasn't on his page, then get the fuck out. For real. You, Shaq wins the title for Kobe,

makes a little track. That could have been our title too because they beat Dallas that year, right? Yeah. That year we had Dallas, I mean, the Suns down 3-1. Yeah.

So we beat the Suns 3-1. We speaking through. We probably played play this. What happened in that Sun series? It was almost like people was criticizing Kobe, and it was almost like he said, well, I'm going to show you. Y'all don't want me to shoot. Y'all talking about I'm shooting too much.

It was almost like he went and everything that we thought about Kobe, he went away from that. It's like damn if you do, damn if you don't. Right. Really. Well, I'm damn doing what I do. Yeah. I ain do, damn if you don't. Right. Really. Well, I'm damn doing what I do.

Yeah. I ain't damn doing what I don't. Yeah, he just, I don't know. I don't know what was in his mind. Because that's the game he wouldn't shoot the ball. People say he wouldn't shoot the ball in that game, right? Yeah. Who the fuck knows?

What do you think is going through his mind when Shaq wins that title? I'm going to get me one. I know that was his mind. Right. It's just when I'm gonna get me one 2009 you guys break through well first you lose to the Celtics. Yeah How painful was that because they wanted the game that I think it was with a game for That you guys had the big lead and they come, they come all the way back and they track you down. You win game five and then you go back and you have that historic defeat in a game six. Do you feel,

do you feel that's one of the ones that got away because you had the game? Well, that was, that could have been a three peak. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no disrespect. Yeah. Yeah. No disrespect, but that's when my dislike for Boston Celtics fans grew.

Right. I mean, y'all beat us by like 30. Almost 40. Right? Yeah. In the finals. Yeah. They might have been better than you guys, Lamar.

I don't think they were 40 points better than you. But it just snowballed on you. And then the fans surrounded our bus and continuously shipped our bus. I'm saying, y'all won the game. Now go leave me alone. Give me what's up. Y'all got to bring what happened at Breeder 1. You're right.

We had to shoot our way out of this motherfucker. You win. So 2008, you lose. 2009, you come back. You guys on a mission. It's supposed to be because they're running the commercial of the Muppets. LeBron and Kobe. It's supposed to be LeBron and Kobe. Cavs

Lakers. Oh yeah. They lost to Orlando. Adidas fucked that old Nike skim up. Dwight Howard was a monster in that series against the Cavs. But you get Orlando. And you guys have to go to overtime if if I'm not mistaken, in the first game.

Well, I knew they wasn't going to. I knew they wasn't going to. They couldn't keep playing at that level. Yeah. And here's why I tell you why. No disrespect. No disrespect. But Andrew Bynum probably could contest this.

Him and Dwight Howard is like, they lallygagging and shit at half court. Right. So now you figure if you just beat them up and down the court, you're going to be straight. How are you the only chance of them having a fucking shot in the finals to beat Kobe Bryant and his Lakers and you joking around at half court. Well I was saying who wants to go at you matter of fact you gotta go against him and pal.'re right now you win that title you come back because I believe in order in any sport to be especially especially football the basketball if you want to be remembered as his story how to win it again you got

to do it back to back there been a lot of teams that won one in a row and they forget yeah you won. Congratulations. But to repeat, when you're not – because the first one, you were hunting. Yeah. Now you're being hunted. You get Boston again. They just thumped you by almost 40 in the game six. We're licking our chops.

Now you're getting them back. Now. And you know Boston, LA go way back to 60 all the way and they bet they owned imagine got him a couple let me say something how I knew he was gonna win game seven to how could we won we had home court right so I'm gonna be enough in the locker room I I'm like, y'all motherfuckers gonna let poor Pierce, a LA native, walk out of here, the Staples Center, with our shit? Y'all bugger, let's go.

But that was a game, when you say the chemistry. Because Kobe might have had one of his worst shooting finals games. Because he had pins and needles. That's a football game. Yeah. That's football mentality. Powell, I think. Third and goal.

Every play is third and goal. Powell had a double-double. Ron Artes hit the shot. Just gutting it out. He never hit a shot before. Gutting it out. Every play. Defense. Defense. It was a score like Just gutting it out. He never hit a shot before. Gutting it out. Every play. Defense.

Defense. It was a score like 79-80? Yeah, it was a very, very low-scoring game. You get into the fourth quarter, you know, hey, it's now or never now. And I think you guys are behind. But it's a very, very tight ball game. What's the arena like? What's the mood in the huddle when Phil calls timeout and you know you look up there, start the quarter, it's 12 minutes. All of a sudden

timeout is nine minutes. You look up, it's five minutes. And all of a sudden, it's two minutes left. It's really, really, it's hard to explain because it's hard is really what you all You hold air to hold life yet To feel that moment, right? I Wish I could feel that moment right now, right? You know, I'm sorry I Guess intense joy

I never want to cry. When Meta lines that three up. It's funny because I thought he was going to swing it to the corner. I was ready to jack it up. I was shooting that bitch already. And Kobe. If I'm not mistaken, I think Kobe hit the top of the key. He hit the top of the key.

And Kobe. He swing it, Meta, and Kobe like used his body language just to like will it in. Why you – or first we probably think it. Met it, what the – Fuck it, shoot it. If you don't know what to do with it, you got to pass it, shoot it, or dribble it. But don't hold it. Don't hold it. That's the wrong basketball.

That's the wrong basketball play. Let me ask you a few questions about, you mentioned Dwight Howard earlier. Y'all beat the Magic with Dwight in the NBA Finals. I personally believe Dwight Howard should have been on the 75th anniversary team. 100%. I'm not talking, okay, you want to say Houston

or you want to say LA and he bounced around to Atlanta but if you look at those 8 years that he had in Orlando he was a top 5 player he finished 2nd in the MVP 3 time defensive player of the year he was like 3 or 4 time 1st team all NBA and a lot of these guys that got on there

had never been the de facto leader in taking a team to the finals he was the best player on a team and took to the finals he should have definitely been there why do you why don't you think he was on it do you think like what you're saying he was left off yes because what you said the man jogging he's laughing and joking at half court yeah when only only way I could say, because they compare him to Shaq. No, he can't spread nobody. But he ain't play with the same tenacity.

Right. As Shaq. Right. He wasn't nasty. He's a hell of a player. But Shaq was like. But Shaq is Shaq. You know what I'm saying?

And I think that's the only because it's only person you can compare Do I have his game too? I think there's a secure on him his style, right? Back down back down back down. Don't right Do you? Do you believe the white worked on his game? Because athletic nobody I mean you look at what we were but even if he worked on his game or not That shouldn't have anything to do with it. Because he did what he did without working on his game.

If you say he didn't work on his game, he got those three defensive players of the year. He got those all NBA. He has 13,000, 14,000 rebounds. He did all of that. So no matter what you think of him and how serious he took the game, he did that. There are a lot of guys that made it to the right.

There are a lot of guys that took the game, he did that. There are a lot of guys that made it to the game. There are a lot of guys that took the game more serious than Dwight. Doesn't have the resume as Dwight that made that team. And so that's my problem. I got a problem. Well, why are you putting people on a team then? What's your reasons for having somebody

on the team? It's for what they didn't lead. Not for their habits. Right. And whether you like or dislike's for what they didn't lead. Right, right. Not for their habits. Right, and whether you like or dislike, well he didn't take the game serious enough. Well he took it serious enough to get those awards. That's stupid. Whoever makes that decision is. You played for Pat Riley and you played for Phil Jackson.

Give me some similarities and some craft, some stark contrast to the coaching style. It's just like, oil and vinegar. You know how on a sandwich you get oil and vinegar? Make it taste good, but you put them together, are they supposed to go together? Nah. One is going to guide you to the water. Right. The other one is going to tell you how the fuck to get there.

You know what I'm saying? Field guide. Field guide. Pat is going to tell you how to get there. Just different styles. Right. Different, man. But how the NBA is vastly different today that it

was when you first came to league and you had how would Pat Riley coaching style be received today with today's NBA player Come on, Lamar. What? They wouldn't be able to take that shit. Because they would probably feel like this motherfucker making me feel like I'm six years old. Right. But it's just to break you down and build you back up.

Right. You know what I mean? They wouldn't be able to take that. They wouldn't be able to take that. They wouldn't be able to take that. You had a reality. You were on a reality show with the Kardashians. What was that like? That was the best time of my adult life.

Besides beating those strokes and those heart attacks. Right. Because I'm already a king in LA. I'm at the prime of my career and I married into TV royalty. Right. It was like red carpet everywhere. Red carpet. I mean mean you were probably more well-known for being married to one of the Kardashians yeah it's funny because

I could tell when people come up to me I could tell if they come up to me because Odom or Lammy Lammy was like my name on the right dash right I could tell the difference so what they know me from I mean I like I so extreme that's a big crossover yes of course I won the six minute a year award when I was filming Chloe and Lamar Wow can I get my number battalion genie bus I mean, I don't know what's more Laker than that. Getting married on TV. Yeah, you did that.

Matt from his craft on the court. And I don't know if it's reality TV we consider that acting or. I mean, you was being Lamar. I was being Lamar. But I mean, that's like, come on. That's like, if that don't get you some retire as a Laker come on would you do another reality show if somebody says okay let's just say you get married again or you start dating and they say Lamar we want you we want we want to put this on you down

with that a reality show yeah yeah because I know how to you know maximize it does Did that did the reality show did it hurt your marriage to Chloe? Oh They made us at the time when I was no wasn't wrong Losing to my addiction right It made us closer. Did she did she did she know you she know you had a... No, not until I let her know. So you hid it? Hell yeah. But that's when you were an addict, you were going...

You were hiding things. You were a liar. Right. Because you lie to yourself. Did she ask you about it? Asked me like what? Lamar, are you doing drugs? Lamar, are you...

No, no, no. I had to bring it to her. Like, fuck it, because you're going to find out. And you'd rather for her to hear it from you than someone else? Yeah, to see it, you know I had to bring it to her like fuck it cuz you don't find out and you rather you rather for her to hear from you than someone else or to see it right because you know I understand it was standards so contradiction my thoughts sometimes but I understood with some things like I can't bring it to her because I'm bringing it to the whole family right yes yes how does being married doing a reality show and then being on social media how does one navigate that you give you submit I never even really fucked with the social

media I still don't know how to post on instagram right you know what i'm saying i still i'm honestly i still don't know how to post but i just i never really that's y'all i don't i know how crazy social media is i don't want to deal with it do you think it's impossible for someone to be as active on social media as they are, being a relationship. Because I think when you become on social media, you just open up your life, especially when you like all the time and you talk. It's so funny because I don't,

it's so funny because you, so everything I say is like, I'm contradicting myself because you asked me would I do reality TV again? I'm like, of course I would. But I don't really mess with my social media a lot. Like I'm not on there. Like, let me see who my DMs are. Let me see what these people talking about. I'm not, I don't really. You don't rock with it like that.

Don't move me. You know what I mean? I'm still Lamar. No matter how close I am to my star on the walk of fame. Right. I'm still the more older from my 31st year. Right. So do you feel like... There's some things I still want to simplify. Right. As much as I can. Right.

Without people being... Because you know when you're on social media, when you do a reality show, you're opening... And I'm 6'10". Right. You're opening... You're opening your life to be critiqued yeah but that's some things that you just you

submit to you know that's like so I'm not alone with if I do that I'm not gonna be checking for the comments bro you dated hello how do you get mad 30 days that was the reality show in and of itself get married 30 days get married 30 days after dating yes it's so crazy it's like you smitten like that i don't know but it's like me i i always you know talking to my assistant or that's this is my gut like with my gut right to me that's like god talking to me so my gut says something I just go with it and that was like I said it was the most it was the best but that time of my adult life so I did something right yeah I enjoyed it right I remember it you

dating Taraji P Henson before Chloe that's what I put yeah Tar, she's a real one. She took me to go see Prince perform in his crib. One night we were having dinner with Angela Jolie and Brad Pitt and Forrest Whitaker was sitting right next to me. I was like, damn this Laker shit is crazy. Yeah! Woo!

Nah, that ain't no Laker. No, that's that Taraji shit. No, that Laker shit. I mean, but to me, yeah. But even in that company., that's Lakers. Yeah good I've been boy to meet yes But even in that you think that you'd like to Laker you think Lamar Odom pull out over the lake of poor that up both Both because the lake of me being a Laker put me in to a contact. Yeah So you go so you go see Prince just

Jigging in this crib and then what crazy about it is that it was real dark room. But whenever you got up on somebody, it was like somebody that you know by name or face. I was like, oh, shit. I'm here. You miss, do you miss that? What? Going to Prince' crib, obviously he's probably...

Nah, I can get it, I can get it.'m going to be honest, that's why I love LA. Because you still Lamar, you still one of them champions. Yeah, I went out yesterday and I was like, man I could easily coach or have something to do with this leg that's in this place. Because I went to Mr. Child yesterday. Yeah. It was like, I felt like it was 2010. Wow. Like damn it felt good to be out here. The wedding was on the show. It was 2010. Wow. Like, damn, it felt good to be out here.

The wedding was on the show. It was on TV. So, what was... Normal, obviously, you have jitters. I don't have no... But that's why I knew it was right. And at that point in my life, I knew it was right. Because I had women. Bad ones.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I had women, bad ones. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I gave all of it up. That's huge. You have to submit, bro. You gave it up. Faith is like that too, right? Yeah, I have faith.

But that's what I was telling you about me surviving and being able to walk and talk and all that. My faith is strong. That's what made me not question the drug. Question whether I was going to walk or talk. I was just like,

well, you know. But let me ask you this. It felt right. You believed Chloe was right. Then how could you do what you did? I was doing drugs. So you believe if you were sober, you would never,

you'd never? Oh, hell yeah. I'd still be married now. That'd be 2007 is 222. Yeah, 15 years. 15 years. Easy. That one of your- Because you guys, when you're dealing with somebody that's got the same temperament too.

Right. Is that, is that one of your biggest regrets of your career? Your life? As a man. I gave a vow in front of God. Right. Is that one of your biggest regrets of your career? Your life? As a man. I gave a vow in front of God. Right. I would have rather just...

Not said anything and just... Yeah, just hung out. And see if we can get to 15 years or something like that. Didn't do it like that. Didn't lie right in God's face. Why do you think the show was canceled after two seasons? Because I wasn't prepared. I wasn't married no more.

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42. Go back, 42-year-old How old are you now, Lamar? 42. 42. Go back, 42-year-old Lamar, go back and talk to 27, 28, 29, 30-year-old Lamar. What would you tell him? Take your time. Think. Say no. Especially to the flesh.

You know what I'm saying? That five minutes of feeling good or whatever. Not one you can have a lifetime of happiness. Right. Sometimes you just throw it all away. Risk and reward. Let me ask you a question. There was a... Chloe wanted another baby.

And I'm assuming that why she did it this way is that she wanted her kids to have the same father. True, and I don't know what this new baby's name is. I don't know if it's been released yet. But you said, should have hit your boy up in the morning. Yeah, because I'm trying to think of it, right? Why did y'all have kids while y'all was getting high? My sperm was probably way off track.

I was definitely, I was in there. This is the fuck. I was, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, my whole thing with that was like. Were you being serious with me or you just throwing it out there? You were just like, kicking your ass, calling your boy,

if your boy could. No, no, I'm not being serious. Cause I'm trying to find the psychology about it. Like, okay, you want to have the same baby with the same father, but he don't want to have the same baby with the same father but he won't be with you right because because you look at kim kim kim has all her kids are from kanye or kylie all her kids are from travis scott yeah kendall the baby girl doesn't have any kids chloe she's like hey i gotta keep the train going yeah i get it but bitch you ain't you ain't all the same

like you better get rid of that but I guess he don't wanna be if he I can get it if that man's saying I'm here I wanna raise my children

with you then have his surrogate yeah I get it but if he ain't checking in on you that don't make sense to me like sister yeah

I bro and I that's his brother i'm not her lover no more i'm saying as your friend yeah if he's saying that he don't want to be with you i'm going to you you know them better than i will ever know them so i'm just taking it hey take it from me you're a big bro yeah so that's that's your relationship now you're more like a big brother you like that's so yeah i can't really you know that's what i could, you're more like a big brother. Yeah, I can't really, that's where I could be. At this point in time, I don't expect to be none of those.

Would you take, he's like, you know what, Lamar, let's try to work this thing out. Who? Chloe. If you say Lamar, let's try to work it out. We did have, you were on drugs. We did have a great time. It was a great little run that we had. Let's give it, let's let's let's give it let's go let's try it again

sound is pretty nothing right here now I got all that bread she got bread now you know but sometimes you know when you do it like you do damage to a woman and all that so yeah I might just have to let it go yeah cuz she's gonna be looking at you at the corner I right You feel every woman that walk by or every woman that give you a compliment and all that, it'd be too much, too much of a mountain to climb.

Too high of a mountain to climb. Right. I think at that point. Okay, last one. Who gets back first? Kanye and Kim, Khloe and Lamar? That's it,

because Kendall and Travis are together and B-Hook and Kendall are together. Who gives back? That's a reality show. That's some bread. I'd be working on that behind the scenes if I was you. Kim and Kanye. Well I mean that'd be a good reality show too right for Chloe and Lamar reality show. Yeah, or even if they do a reality show like It wouldn't you have to be us like being lovers. Let's just put them in a in a house together. See if they could be friends Who Kim and Kanye are you and Chloe? Could you and Chloe you and Chloe got a good relationship, right? Me and Chloe I mean, yeah, I would think it was good Well, yeah, I mean you ain't talked to it a minute. Well, you hadn't talked to him in a minute.

Yeah, I actually talked to him in a minute. How you won sixth man of the year. Let's talk about this because I don't think this team gets enough credit. The 2011 Mavericks. They swept you, the defending two-time champs. They blew the doors off the OKC Thunder. They beat Miami. We just got tired.

Man, y'all don't get it. Man, they beat the brakes off you, Lamar. Listen. But like you said, 08, we should have won a championship. Yeah. Right?

Finals. We get it done in 09. Yeah. We get it done in 10. Right. 11. But, I think they were really good that year too, though.

No, they had to be really good. Yeah. Because it's not, okay, let's just say you guys got tired. Okay, see, wasn't tired because they young. That's young Kevin Durant. That's young Serge. That's young Russ. No, them beating us probably gave them that, oh, we just beat the defending champ.

You know what I'm saying? Because what place were they in that day in Dallas? They were they have the first seed. Mm-hmm. They had the what like six or they were they were they were seated low I think we should know right here cuz they played us. Yeah, so we had the second seed as they had to be seven, right? And they did it We all the second seed then? What, fourth maybe? Yeah, I think it's fourth. Maybe. The mental state we were in, that shit just propelled them.

Like, we ain't going to lose. We'll just beat the Lakers. Because even though we probably weren't the best team in the regular season, we were the favorites to come out the West that yeah I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Dallas one of the favorites that is yeah cuz they beat swept you guys they beat rust they beat rust in a 4-1 and beat the 4-3 4-2 that's pretty good team I understand look I understand Jason kid was not the Jason kid of eight years earlier but dirt was at the apex of his power playing extremely well.

Sean Marion. They had Stevenson. Man, get that team credit. I'm giving them credit. I'm giving them credit because they beat us. Beat the brakes off you. They beat us. We didn't get a dub.

And we lost game one. We had game one won in L.A. And they just rolled down momentum momentum took it to the house I was a peewee legend though Shannon oh I'm gonna get you that tape let me ask you this news break the Lakers are trying to trade for CP3 and they're gonna include Lamar Odom. When you know trades are part of the game, why did that upset you so much? That was 2000 and... Probably 11, 12? 12.

12. I don't know. 12. 12. I don't know, it's just like, when your girlfriend tell you she don't like you no more. When she don't like you no more. You know that's part of the game, but I think, damn, I done did so much for you. But you know I be, I done took, I done sacrificed for y'all.

Right. I could've left, or I could've left. Right. A year or two ago, when y'all asked me to come off the bench my free agent year. Right. And you said, okay, chill, cool. No, I didn't say that first.

You know what I'm saying? You was like getting upset. Yeah, I said, somebody got to talk me into that shit. Phil, Kobe, I better sit me down or something. Have a one-on-one with me and tell me why I need to give up this $30 million or 20 million to come off y'all bench. So what did Kobe tell you?

Cause that's what they sent. They sent the clothes in, they're the closest deal. What Kobe tell you? L-O. We can't do it without you brother I know we know we're gonna do it out just like that that's all you needed to hear so you got me you got me? All right. You got me on the back end. All right. But that's 20 million, man. Yeah. I could still be spending some of that money.

For real. When you went to the Lakers, did you lose your love for basketball? Back to the Lakers? No, when you went to the Mavs. When you went to the Mavs. What happened? It just seemed like it. I didn't want to be there. And then this man, one of the most powerful men in basketball,

I told him what I went through that summer. My cousin got killed. I was in a real fucked up spot. So I told him I'll keep my citizenship. I had a real good situation in LA I don't really want to come to your team this is what I'm going through mentally closest cousin just got killed right first game I'm playing bad what the fuck you doing the owner is yelling at me from the sideline from the side from the bench. Yeah

Cuz he said next to he said next to the team So I'm like I start comparing the situation I'm like George worse wouldn't be doing this shit the fuck the work the worst thing you can do is compare you feel what I'm Saying in any relationship you got to leave the bags whatever whatever whatever whatever's sue or quita Lead that lead out of the door. They come in as a totally new a new a new bag I start calling my agent. You know this nigga miss motherfucker is Screaming at me for playing bad After everything I told him I've been through this summer knowing my head not in the game. Yeah, mr. Jumpshot. I missed the layer

There did too I'm not heading out of the game. Yeah, Mr. Jumpshot and Mr. Lair. Mm-hmm. Dirk did too, motherfucker. It's a fuck. It was just a bad fit. And then he... Man, we playing in Memphis. Whatever. I'm shitting all over the court playing bad he tries to get me in the game right mark Cuban yeah it's white man. Yeah. He goes, in the game. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

That man kicked you? Did in the game. It was, hold on, what did you do? I was about to fuck him up, but Vince Carter was sitting right here, like sitting, and Vince see me, and Vince just got up and said the more chill out Cuz he put his feet on me I was gonna fuck him up. Yeah, you supposed to but I wouldn't even feel bad

I Wouldn't I wouldn't even feel bad. I ain't a lot You only kick a dog. I haven't let no man put no feet on me That was I would have grabbed him, if he would have smacked me, if he would have said, get your ass out of me, I would have been like, okay, oh. Yeah, I would have got him with that one too.

You gotta wear ass weapon either way. But you definitely not finna put your feet on me. Your feet made for walking. Clearly you don't like walking. Cause you put your feet on me, you not walking. So that was the end of it. Once he did that so that was the end of it once he did that that was it did you have a converse did you have a conversation with it after that yeah no you gotta talk to the

man you gotta take mark bro you can't put your feet on i mean it's oh i almost feel bad telling that story publicly i've said it before publicly must understand power he got that much power and I understand how powerful he is in the world that's okay you know I'm saying but um yeah that's when I was just like it would be best if you just yeah just Oakley tells a story about at the Clippers I believe you were at the Clippers and he came into your shoot around and punched Jeff McGinnis punched Jeff McGinnis he fucked him up is that true yeah he did that y'all ain't do nothing let me tell you something man you know what they said with Debo they said we're riding the corner with Debo when they were rolling dice

and Debo jumped on him but they ain't help him yall supposed to have to help them like no i was i was with the i was talking and Charles Ogilvy with his big ass chest he was like hello i told that i had punishment waiting for him he said i told him i have punishment waiting for him i'm like doing the purpose punishment yeah i'm gonna back up yeah i'm gonna chill out all night I'm a backer, yeah, I'm gonna chill out on that one. I seen what he just did to my man, I'm gonna chill out. He's a big dude. He's a big dude. He's okay.

Bear, fast forward. All Star Games in DC, if I'm not mistaken. You guys at the hotel. I heard about this one, he's lying. He lied? That never happened. That didn't happen. No. But he said, he said that he walked in the elevator.

Yeah. And I was on there with my boys. Yeah. And they walked off. Y'all got off. I mean, it's in his book. No, no. It's in his book.

I'm going to take that as you ain't want no confrontation you like you know what hey but that ain't happen though okay I believe hey that ain't happen I believe you that ain't happen

because I'm gonna keep I probably would have had to have them to stop them from them from whipping Oak's ass if they feel like somebody's threatening me

right Lamar Odom I don't give a fuck who you are NBA player if you feeling that you threatening Lamar Odom, I don't give a fuck who you are, NBA player. If you feeling that you threatening Lamar, Odom, Mercer. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody gonna, nah. I don't remember that. But he did walk into a shoot around and punch Jeff Lee. He did that. Walked right up to him.

That happened. Y'all, ain't nobody jump on him? Y'all should've, y'all had, that shit happened so fast. And he, what what? And it was like a cartoon owner and cartoons like it spin around here like spun around. Oh, I looked at his face

I'm Jeff you right You know, I had a dentist face So that was Jefferson is a real thorough dude, though. But did nobody see him coming? Did nobody see him coming? How the man walk from one end, y'all at the other end, and nobody see nothing? Oak didn't want none of that smoke from Jeff and the people, though. They had some people on his ass.

He know that. He know that. He know that. How close do you follow the current NBA? Watch as many games as the rec TV allows me to. Obviously, you're a Laker. But Luka, Luka. How Luka do that? Luka probably can't bench that glass.

Luka probably going to run like a 10 flat 40. He's probably the antithesis of everything a great basketball player should look like. But he's busting people, you know what. And that's why I love him so much. Because he shows his game. And why I really like watching him is because A might be like so hyped to play him like this and he just. They be trying to speed him up and he be going, nah I don't want to go that fast.

I don't want to go that fast. I'm going to stay right here in first gear and you can't get me to go to second or third. I'm just going to stay in first. Because speed is deceptive. And then when he do like put on a gear, you way off the card. I'd like Luka, Braun, of course, Greek Freak. James Harden, I like the way they play the game. Right.

Especially players that see the game or step ahead, CP3. You feel me? Make players better. Right. You came off the bench one-sixth man of the year. Do you think that would be a role Rush should or could embrace or does. I don't think Russell Westbrook should come off the bench. For who and for what?

I don't know why people, like, why he getting a bad because the Lakers didn't do well this year. He didn't do well either. AD played, AD Hawley played. Yeah. LeBron missed. LeBron played 54, 55 games, so he missed. The offense is terrible.

You don't have no, there's nothing fluid about your offense. You're giving the ball to LeBron. And let me tell you, let me tell you how stupid NBA teams are. Right. Ready? Ready for this. I'm going to hear this. They give the ball to their best NBA teams are. Right. Ready? Ready for this. I'm going to hear this. They give the ball to their best player.

Right. Right. They put that player in a pick and roll. That player, most of the time, he handles the ball almost to the shot clock is at the end. Right. Then he's passing it to a player that's not as good as him and has to make or take a shot in less time than he had the ball. So you're giving the ball to your best player, he's dribbling the ball in the pick and roll,

he's handling it to half the end of the clock and he's giving it to a player of less caliber to make the play at the end of the shot clock. Right. That's how most of NBA officers are like that. Yeah, I don't mind that. But you know what? I want to put it in a shooter's hand that's not as good as me, but that can shoot.

But even if it's just a shooter, the shooter's not as good as the player that was handling the ball. That's an astronaut. But I just don't... Look, I think Russ is a phenomenal player. I just think he'll be a better player at the league somewhere. As a spot plug?

No. As a starter somewhere else? You think Russ can ever be Russ as the third option? Because that's what he is on the lake. How? Yes. Because he's had the ball his whole career. If that's what you have to be, good players adjust to their situations.

When do you know? Well, if you don't adjust, then he has to leave you. If you're not going to adjust to being the third best player on your team, then you have to leave because you're the third best player on the team. Right. And that's my only point. I'm not saying that he's not a good player, but I'm saying what he's always been at OKC,

what he was at Washington, what he was at Houston. Yeah, because they gave him the ball and just said, no, he has to play off the ball now. If you want to win, he's another one in championship. Right. And so how do you, after 15 years of playing it this way? Well, I guess Russ and AD should just sit his ass down and say. Braun and AD.

Braun and AD should say. I think that's what they thought when they signed off, when they were talking in the beginning about him coming. I'm sure everybody had a clear idea of what the situation was going to be. Did you watch the Lakers a lot last year? I did. Every single freaking game. What did you think their problem was?

Because their problem was definitely defense. What defense? Because you had guys that had never played defense at any point in time in their career. And the guys that had played defense were old. Trevor Reza is old. Defense is a team game. But they had old guys. A.D. is the best defensive player.

But A.D. was in street clothes, dressed like you and I right now. So he can't help you defensively. And you don't have anybody that can really stay in front of anybody. So now it's a layup line to the basket. LeBron can give you spurts of defense but I'm not expecting LeBron to play defense like he did in Cleveland and in Miami in year 19, year 18, definitely not in year 20. I stopped watching them when I realized that I didn't give up but I gave up. Yeah. I think that's because i thought it started to frustrate me when

it frustrated me and i realized that was pushing lebron isn't pushing the rest of their players right and like when people compare lebron and kobe i would say the only difference is what kobe had inside of him rubbed off on all of us. So LeBron should grab people by the throat? Whatever you got to do. Like that will to make them. That's not. It's not him.

It's not him. So I don't fault him for that. But I thought that would happen I saw you said Kareem is to go If LeBron now, I don't know if you said that cuz you believe it or you said that cuz he a New York native I mean y'all guys stick together all New York stick together But you know, I love basketball. Yeah, that's why I said that from from the eighth grade to From the eighth grade to, let's say age 35,

I don't know why he was better than Kareem. He went to college, and you know about the story, beat the U.S.A. as a team. Yeah, his freshman couldn't play back then, but his freshman team beat the defending national champions. Other players can dunk. I don't know no other player that can take that 17-foot. Scott Hook?

No. Do you think Kareem get the credit that he deserves? Because he's never thought of it. No, no, no, no, he don't. He changed his name to a Muslim name in the 60s in America. Because he has the most MVPs. Everything. He won six titles. He has the third most. He had the most points. I think he has the most MVPs. Everything. He won six titles. He had the most points, I think he has the third most rebounds.

Milwaukee, Kareem, Alou Alcindor, he was putting it on the floor. Yeah. Boom, boom, boom, stuff. That's what they call it, stuff. Yeah. You know what I mean? He has the most unstoppable shot ever created. Exactly. I mean, you could talk about Jordan and Kobe's fadeaway.

You could talk about Kevin Durant. You know, how hard. You said Jordan or Kobe's fadeaway. Yeah. You don't say Kareem or Scott Hook. No, no, no, no. It doesn't matter. Scott Hook is the most unstoppable shot ever created.

Shot ever created. It's not even close. It's so funny. I don't even remember me taking some of those when I was little. Like being just like practicing. Yeah. I mean, can you think about it? I mean, normally when you shoot the ball, you're looking at the rim. He's throwing the sky hook. The ball's over. Hey, he's looking at the rim, but the ball's over here. That take an enormous amount of like touch skill. Yeah. Look, it's crazy cuz Kareem was damn near 60 years old we playing we here we uh he was coaching with us on the Clippers

yeah well Mike all the candy and he like he tried he working out all the candy all the candy like was kind of like and Kareem was like, oh, hold up. Bring that shit down here. Bring that ball down here. What? Bust his ass. What? For real, like two possessions in a row.

What? Bust his ass. Like, yeah, young fella, take some of this. I was like, yeah, cat. Bust his ass then. That's a true story, too. Kareem at 60 years old gave Michael O'Lantern candy to business. Giving it to him. Gave the candy man to business.

Giving it to him. How's your sobriety going? Well, I do smoke a little weed. I don't even drink nothing. We're right. You good. Facts. a rat. You good. Facts. Everyday.

Facts. But you, Lamar, you know the hardest thing to do. You gotta walk by a bar. You gotta walk by a package store. You go to a restaurant and people are ordering drinks. Everyday you gotta... But this shit right here, this one don't get me to do no cocaine. Oh that one?

Nah. You want that one? No. You want a bottle? Yeah, hell yeah. And I'll get it just to stunt. And I'll share it. But I don't really drink a lot like that. Yeah. I don't drink a lot. Shay.

Shay, Shay. That's what they call you probably. Shay, Shay, right? They do too. That's what they call me. Man, I'm proud of you I'm happy of you appreciate for sharing your story thanks for sharing a lot of some of the NBA stories and it's not but your life what you've been able to

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