Club Shay Shay - Listen Again: 21 Savage

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

The one and only 21 Savage sits down with Shannon Sharpe in this episode of Club Shay Shay, and it's a rollercoaster of realness with the Atlanta rapper. 21 goes into what it was like being born in London and growing up in Atlanta, exposing the trials and tribulations that eventually led to him becoming a global music superstar. Then, 21 Savage spares no details as he shares the chilling story of surviving six gunshot wounds and witnessing his friend's murder. The harsh realities of the rap game aren’t exclusive to 21’s experiences as he delves into the death of Memphis’ Yo Gotti’s brother. Then, The Saint Laurent Don delves into the financial side of the industry, comparing rap money to NFL earnings and shedding light on the frugality of T.I., who almost gave 21 a million dollars but didn’t, which turned out to be a blessing in the long run. But the buck doesn’t stop there, as 21 responds to Snoop Dogg's streaming insights and shares that there is good money to be made from streaming, which has compelled him to consider selling his catalog as Future did. 21 Savage covers it all; from claiming the title of the best rapper in his XXL Freshman Class, to giving his picks for the Mt. Rushmore of R&B artists and the best rappers from Atlanta, and expressing his willingness to drop a collab album with J. Cole. It's a candid, no-filter conversation that gives fans an unfiltered glimpse into the life and opinions of the Atlanta rap legend.     #volume  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's up everyone? It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. I hear Snoop Dogg say, man look here man, them streaming, you stream a billion and man you ain't really making no money. What's your thoughts on streaming? They gotta be making money, cause they giving me money. There's some money in that shit, some real money. I've been grinding all my life Hello, welcome to another special edition of On The Road with Club Cheche. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Cheche.

The guy that's stopping by for conversation and a drink today is one of the most influential and well-respected artists of his generation. He's loved by millions worldwide. Your favorite rappers, favorite rapper. He's a hip hop A-lister, a Grammy Award winner, gold and multi-platinum songwriter, record producer, businessman, humanitarian, father, UK born, ATL raised,

a bona fide superstar, 21 Savage. How was that intro? You like that intro? Did I leave out anything? I mean, I got a little bit of time. I could have had some more. I ain't never heard no intro like that. I like that.

I appreciate that. Appreciate that. You know, anytime you stop by, have a conversation with a club, Shasha, I got you a little drink. This is me right here. And cause I want to toast the album, bro. That's you right there.

American dreams. Yeah. It's good, but I don't drink. You don't drink? At all. You just did that for me? I appreciate that, bro. Good looking. DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL playoffs, is bringing you an offer that will help make the playoffs electrifying.

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I remember like small things, but not like a lot. Like a little small, like going to my grandma's house. Right. Being with my mama I remember like going to the stoves like across the street and then like on my mama's side of town it's like this shit called a high street okay and it's like a street just full of stoves I remember like walking over there but I remember more like from when we went back and visited. OK. Because we went back once to go visit when I was a little older.

So I remember that more than I remember like stuff while I was there, like when I was younger. When you did you have very many friends? Do you remember friends when you were growing up? You say you left at six or seven. So did you have very many friends? I just had family like cousins a lot of cousins yeah so I really need no friends so your family your mom move you here of all the

places in the u.s. why ATL you think I don't know I ain't never asked you never you never asked you like mom not asked me like, mom, not New York, not Chicago, not LA, not Detroit, Atlanta. I ain't never asked that. Do you think about how different your life might have been had you gone to one of those places, or Chicago, or New York, or Detroit, or someplace other than the east side of Atlanta?

Damn. Nah, I ain't never thought about that. Oh, God. So you were just happy, like, okay, so you get here, you get settled in, so obviously you're in a new London is very, so I'm assuming London is very

different than Atlanta. It is, but it ain't though. Really? To me. Because it's like, it looked different. Okay. It's the same shit. Okay. You see what I'm saying?

It's like, like when I came over here, like I have family too. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So you just around family. Oh, so your mom, so you had relatives in Atlanta. Like my mama friends, they moved with us. Okay.

So all the people that I grew up with. Oh, okay Okay, okay. So it wasn't like you were just like moving to a by yourself like just you and your mom Now you have a large contingent with you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so did that make the transition a lot easier? I Ain't know about no transit I'm just a child, I'm just with my momma. So how soon did you get acclimated and how soon did you make friends once you got to Atlanta? Like quick, like it was this boy named Skinny, he had got killed though like a couple years ago.

Wow. But that was like the first person I met that ended up being like my best friend. OK. Like growing up, they used to stay like we stayed in the upstairs apartment. He stayed directly under us. OK. And his mama like we was bad as hell because it was six of us. Well, back then it was like four of us.

OK. So we used to be jumping up and down, running around. And he was the youngest, but his siblings was like way older than him okay and like so they house was quiet they got plastic on their couch all that so like when we used to make noise his mama would grab a broom and hit them hit the room so we ended up getting cool hunts his mama and my mama ended up being real cool okay and I used to like stay at his house, used to stay at my house. I still talk to his mama all the time.

Wow. Yeah. Your family, your background, y'all thinking really your mom is from the Dominican or your father is from the same- No, no, no, no. Dominica. Dominica? Yeah. Oh, okay.

It ain't not Dominican Republic. Dominica. Yeah. And so how much of the traditions from when you came from London, did you guys bring with you? So did you matriculate into East Atlanta rather seamlessly? Like it's-

Because you say you got a big, you got like four boys and- No, it's three boys and three girls. Three girls, three boys, okay, and your mom. Yeah. And then my little sister, them daddy, he Jamaican. Okay. And what you mean like, food-wise?

Yeah, as far as, yeah. My mama cooked, for sure, yeah. So how soon did you start eating some of, you know, cause they got the mottles tail, they got some other pork chops, some other chicken. How soon when you start eating some of the, because they got the mottles tail, they got some other pork chops, some other chicken. How soon would you start eating that opposed to what you were accustomed to eating? I think that came with making friends.

When I used to go spend the night at my friend's house, growing up I ain't never, I wasn't allowed to eat pork. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Other stuff, when I go to my friend's house, spend a night as a, like when I was younger, I eat whatever they cook. But I ain't started really like just

picking what I wanna eat, because I was a little older, you feel what I'm saying? So when you went back home, you like, mom, my friends, they cook this, their mom cook this, you think you might be able to cook that? Did you tell your mom that? Nah, hell nah. I can't tell them I'm going on shit like that.

Hell nah. She wasn't trying to hear that, huh? I know she wasn't trying to hear that. I ain't even a try. Right. Did your mom share with you that you guys were leaving London coming to the US, or did you guys just up and leave? Did you know you were leaving?

I don't really remember. Like, I just remember it's like so long ago. So I'd be trying to really think about the story but I'm sure my mama told me where we was going for sure because I was sick. But I just don't remember

that conversation but I know it had to happen. So do you remember, you just remember getting on a plane, didn't have no idea I remember like that conversation, but I know it had to happen. Right. So do you remember, you just remember getting on a plane, didn't have no idea where you was going, you just know you were leaving London? Yeah. Right.

Cause I think at first it wasn't a stay thing. Oh, okay. She was just coming to visit? Right. Okay. I think we was coming to visit. But I don't wanna fuck the story up neither because my mama know the story. You know what I'm saying?

I think it was like, let's see. We wanna move here, but we finna go see. If we don't like it, we gonna go back. That type of shit. Okay. And then we just stayed. Right. So clearly she liked it.

Yeah. What about you? Did you like it? Or you was just going along with the flow? You really didn't have a choice in the matter because you five, six years of age. So if you didn't like it, you was stuck anyway. You gonna flow. You really didn't have a choice in the matter because you five or six years a baby. So if you didn't like it, you was stuck anyway. You gonna just adapt.

I liked it though. Okay. I liked it. Like it's hot. It ain't cold all the time. Right. I remember like playing outside, like doing the same shit that I used to do.

Like when I used to go like to my grandma's house on my daddy's side. Like we were playing in neighborhood, go like, it was the same shit. Right. So what was it like? I mean, cause all of a sudden they got these, these new, this new family comes in and I'm pretty sure

you probably had an accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, okay. So now you on the East side of Atlanta. Yeah. You got an accent. How, how receptive were the kids to you? They used to teach, I got in a fight on the first day of school.

Oh God. From the jump? Yeah, they used to tease me. Okay. Like I went to Dunnett Elementary. That was the first elementary school I went to. Okay. So we get to the, I get on the bus or whatever, they start talking to me. So they making fun of me on the way to school.

Okay. So we get on the bus to go home. they making fun of me on the way home. Okay. So we get off the bus, like one of the older dudes, like his little brother was the main one. So the older brother was like, said something like, basically like, shit, fightin'. So we get off the bus, I beat him up. So the girls, all the girls, they run and tell my mama.

Okay. At the door, so I- Your sisters? No, no, no. Oh, kids in the neighborhood? Kids in the neighborhood. Okay. So they run, they tell my mama.

Cause they start, I really was kicking a lot. They started calling me Tae Kwon Do kid. On my mama. It's a true story, on my mama. Okay. So, so they, they run and tell my mama, so I'm trying to drag my feet to get home now. So I walked to the door, she grabbed me by my ear,

pulled me in the house, because the girls were still there telling her the story when I got there. So I just remember her grabbing me by my ear and then like throwing me in the house, like type shit. And then that was it. I ain't get no punishment. I ain't get no punishment.

You ain't get no punishment? No. She didn't ask you what started it? Uh-uh. Not from my memory. Right. You feel what I'm saying? She probably did though.

But from what I can remember, I just remember getting pulled. You know you only remember the parts you remember. Right. I just remember the air like. So what do you think was the biggest, obviously you're very young, so you haven't experienced a whole lot. It's not obviously you're very young so you haven't experienced

a whole lot. It's not like you're coming here, you're 13 or 14, so you haven't had a whole lot of, you're five or six years, I think you're seven at this time. So is there a big culture shock? Do you notice anything different about being in London as opposed to being in East Atlanta? The most shit that I used to I used to like What I remember Changing was the size of everything. Okay, like I remember like in London Like our bathrooms would be like this big right right you feel what I'm saying?

Then I remember like we were still it we was in the hood in On the east side too, right? But it was just like a size different like like at my grandma house in London I could touch both sides of her house like this. Wow. You feel what I'm saying? But over here it's like more space. Right. I remember that and I remember getting in a car to go everywhere. Right. In London we used to take the bus and the train like everywhere. I remember like we always was in the car when we got here. So you had an accent I'm assuming. Where did you fall in the ranking

as far as your siblings? I'm the oldest. You're the oldest? Yeah. Okay, so I'm assuming, so man, so if you're seven, that means you got three brothers and three sisters, that means, man, you got some babies, you got some-

Yeah, they was three, like, cause it's a three year age gap between me and my little sister. Okay. So if I was seven, she was probably like three turning four. Right. And then my little brother was still a baby baby.

Right. And then the other three was born in America. Okay. Feel what I'm saying? Right, right. So did you still feel a sense of responsibility because you are the oldest. I mean, even though you a child,

you're like, you're the oldest male. And so do you feel some type of responsibility that you needed to like okay I need to be the man of the house even though I'm only seven years old at the time I think so yeah for sure yeah like I was naturally like a protector type shit yeah for sure so what did your mom what did your mom think about that so the type of relationship because like you said you're the oldest your mom, what did your mom think about that? So the type of relationship, because like you said, you're the oldest, your mom is in a new place and granted, there are a community that came with you,

but you the protector because you like, okay, I gotta look after my mom, I gotta look after my brother, my sister. Did your mom tell you anything about that or you just instinctively took that on? I think it was just like instinct for the most part. I feel like it's just in my personality too, just like take care of everything.

I don't know why I'm like that, but I think just naturally I developed that because my whole life I've been like that. Since I was old enough to get out and do what I need to do, I always took care of my mama and my siblings and shit. Right. Do you feel that's...

So when you were in London, do you remember much about your dad being around? Yeah, I remember my daddy used to come get me every weekend. I used to be over there. Cause that's where a majority like my cousins was at. On my mama's side, I only got like three, four cousins. But on my daddy's side, it's like 30 of them.

So that's like my oldest cousin, Taran, he in the wheelchair. I remember like following behind him a lot, right? Feel what I'm saying? So that's my daddy's side, right? So you so in other words you really love spending time with your dad side of the family because that's where all the cousins were That's what you got an opportunity to run and play and just have a good time It was just deeper deep but my mama side too cuz like my cousins on my mama side was bad as hell too. Oh You see what I'm saying, But it just wasn't a lot of us. Like it was just me, Kairon and Jerome.

We was the only boys on my mama's side. On my daddy's side it was more, but it's just different side. Well see if it's only three of y'all, the trouble is only going three places. So it's you, you or you. When your dad's side It's about 30 of y'all so you can play with a whole bunch of people. Oh god

So brought up in the east side on that side of town rap was Gucci Mane future Oh J the juice man, Rich army Kwan childish Gambino Did you did you know any of those guys when you were growing up? You had no idea about these I Seen Gucci before okay I have no idea about these. I've seen Gucci before. Okay. Yeah, I've seen Gucci before for sure. Right.

I've seen him at Church's Chicken before, like when I was real young. Right, right. No, Miss Windlass, I've seen him at Miss Windlass. Miss Windlass, okay. Yeah, yeah. What's going on everybody? This is Justin Pennick from John Boy Media,

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or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run. Zone, I mean the East side, that's zone six. There's a lot going on. Yeah. East side of Atlanta. There's drugs. There's a lot of killings.

Did you, so what did your mom, did your mom try and shield you like, son, you can't be out this time of night. So what, what did she tell you about the area that you, that you guys were going to call home now? I used to be outside. I don't remember hers is like, the only time it'll be a problem is if I got in trouble in school. But other than that, I went like one of them when the street light come on kids. My mama used to let me figure it out

because in London, it's the same shit. It's damn near worse. Because it's like concrete everywhere. You see what I'm saying? It's alleys, it's the inner city. So in London, I used to be outside from what I, well, that was when we went back though. From before then, I don't remember being outside that much.

But so like, nah, she just used to let me like, let you figure it out. Figure it out. Then I used to be with Skinny. Okay. Well his real name Aaron. Okay. I used to be with him and he was older than me.

So he was like my big brother. Right. And like, so as long as I was with him, she would give me a little more freedom to do shit. Like as long as he watching over you, you good. Did you always gravitate towards older guys? guys yeah I always hung with like people older than me for sure because you felt you was more mature than guys than young guys your age yeah for sure cuz I was older I had to be I'm the oldest right so you

naturally like a little more mature then mm-hmm you have to be because if you're not you gonna get in trouble, right? So how was the struggle when your mom moving here obviously in a different in a different country? Obviously times were different difficult for you guys. Did you realize how difficult times were for your mom and your family? Yeah Yeah, like I remember when we first moved You be smoking cigars on here don't you? You go, hey take off. Alright. This your joint, let's go ahead.

But I remember like when we first moved over here, like before we moved to the neighborhood where I went to elementary school from, we moved to another neighborhood on the east side. And I remember like my mama and her nigga well her man right time okay they used to sleep on the bottom bunk and all us used to sleep on the top bunk okay we used to share like we shared a apartment with one of their friends so it was a two bedroom okay I mean we didn't got evicted before I remember coming home and our stuff was outside in

front of the house right like growing up like I ain't never had my own bedroom till I was probably like 15 years old or something. Like we all shared a room. Like for probably from like first grade till like sixth grade. It was they had a room. My mom and her man had a room, and me and all my siblings had one room, in a two-bedroom apartment. Then, I don't know what happened, they got a little motion, and then we moved in the same apartments, but we used to call it Cross the Bridge.

It's like the other side of the neighborhood. And we had got a three bedroom. Okay, okay. The boys had their own room and the girls had their own room. And then I met my other big brother when I moved over there, Tavars. Right. They stayed under us. They mama used to do the same thing.

Oh man. Home God. Get the broom and bang the roof on God. Right. Yeah. But for sure it was a struggle because like, my mama couldn't get no job or no driver's license. She couldn't get food stamps.

She couldn't do none of that shit. So you know it's a struggle. Right. So she's basically working any job that she can get, maybe cleaning floors, maybe in the kitchen or doing things of that nature, trying to make ends meet, to put food on the table and a roof over the head for the kids. The one job I remember her having

She, I don't think she never like did like no cleaning floors type shit, but The one job I remember her having was like a daycare and they used to pay them under the table. I remember hearing them conversations though like being nosy because I ain't even supposed to know that as a child but I remember hearing them talk about it like right and she She used to work at all them used to work at a daycare her her man And then the other families that I told you move with us they used to work that too And I they used to pay them under the table like cash and shit That's the only job that I remember though when you came home from school one day and you saw

Your family belongings outside, did the kids, how did that make you feel? Did the kids make fun of you? Did you realize what was going on when you saw all of your belongings on the outside? Yeah, cause I didn't seen it happen before and I remember like we used to steal people's shit. Like, cause I didn't seen other people evicted. Right.

Seeing they stuff outside and like all the kids the badass kids will be in the neighborhood walking around see some shit start going through that shit okay so I just remember instantly thinking like nobody better not touch my shit that's like the first thought I remember standing but I remember like I didn't really care about it that much because they put our shit out But they we instantly moved to a bigger apartment, right? So it kind of was like it wasn't like we just our shit was just out there and we were trying to figure it out Right feel what I'm saying. Mm-hmm. Like I remember us moving to a bigger Apartment like instantly. Okay type shit. So what was what was a typical meal in the household? Oh

So what was what was a typical meal in the household? Oh We had food yeah good for you not like steak and shit though ramen hot dogs Yeah, yeah like that. Okay, like we had the regular, you know, but not like I don't remember no time like Well, just one nothing to eat in the house, right? It's gonna be some bread right We used to make like condensed milk sandwiches. Like them was like ice-cracker milk. Like you take the, you get the bread in the condensed milk and then you put it in like the little toaster type shit and you put it together. That shit be good as fuck. You eat one of them now? Hell yeah I will.

But like you know hot dogs and noodles. My mom used to make noodles stir fry, with ramen noodles. Right. Curry chicken, jerk chicken, all that type of shit. Did you, you being the oldest, did you learn how to cook? Could you cook? For sure.

Because I'm assuming like a lot of times your mom probably was working and you had to take care of your brothers and sisters. So it was left up to you to probably cook the ramen or warm the food up so they could eat when you got home from school. Not cook though, like the most my mama would make me do is like unpowder food the meat.

Like take the meat out, I used to get my ass wet if I forget to take the meat out. Right. Cause she don't play about the lemon. Like don't just sit it in the water, put lemon juice in the water when you sit it in the water. So sometimes I take the meat out and just sit in the water without no limit right in trouble Okay, but she never just made me cook

But we used to make our own little food that we want like so if my little brother was hungry and they wanted like a pack Of noodles, I make them some noodles. Okay shit, right? Yeah Obviously we talked a lot about your mom. What's the relationship like with your dad? Me and my dad ain't like a weird place because he got his side of how he look at it. I got my side of how I look at it. Like, I kind of understand like, okay, if your child moved to another country,

it's kind of hard type shit. But from a child point of understand, like, okay, if your child moved to another country, it's kind of hard type shit. But from a child point of view, all I can do is go off the emotion that I felt as a child. Like, I can't tell you how I would feel about it as an adult because the hurt come from when I was a child. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like it's like me me whooping you as a child and then expecting you to receive the pain as a adult I have now I know how I felt when it happened, right? I know I felt abandoned

That's how I felt I felt like I used to see like other kids in the neighborhood Well, not in the neighborhood, but remember the family that I told you that move. Yes. I Had a friend. Well, he liked my cousin, basically, Raqem. He was in the same predicament. He was in another country with his mama was with another man now, a stepdaddy, and his daddy used to come visit him all the time, buy him shit. So I used to be kind of jealous of what he had going on. And so that's where a lot of the disappointment came from with my daddy. But my daddy was a good daddy to my siblings over there. Like my little brother who died, my little brother got killed on my daddy's side.

They was best friends. You feel what I'm saying? I got twin little sisters and I got another little brother. They all love my daddy You see what I mean? So I can't just say, you know bad daddy, right? With me, I feel like you didn't do what you're supposed to do The relationship that they have with him is not the relationship you have with him facts Right because you saw you said the family that moved with you you saw

his mom Even though she was in a foreign country and she ended up having another man, his dad still came over and would see him and buy him things. Did you explain that to your father, saying, look, Rakim, dad, his mom is with someone else and he found it time to come over here and see him

and buy him things and spend time with him? Did you convey that to him? Not as a child. Not as a child, okay Okay. But like my little brother died in 2020. Okay. And like, that was me and my daddy first time talking in like 15, 20 years type shit. Savage. I mean, you, you didn't, you didn't reach out when like at any point, time before that 15 years was up Did you not reach out and try to have a conversation with your father? Cuz like when I turned 21 I got shot, okay and

My mama came in the house and they're like while I was in the ICU she brought the phone Well, I don't know if I was in ICU. I don't know where I was at, but it was like fresh. It was right after I got to the hospital. Okay. And my best friend had just died, like in the incident. So like, I just remember being like mad. I was more mad than sad. So she tried to hand me the phone.

But I remember telling my daddy, like, But I remember telling my daddy like, because my mama and her, my like, my four of my siblings got the same daddy. I got my own daddy and then my youngest sister got her own daddy. So my mama was moved out here when she came out here. The father of my four younger siblings, he came like a little later and we all was together. So when they had broke up, how I took it was, like you ain't my daddy,

I gotta figure my own life out. Like I can't be up under your roof no more cause my mama left. So I left. So I remember communicating like to my daddy like... Your biological father? Yeah. Like I'm in the street at this time, but I'm telling him like, I figure it out.

I don't expect you to just be able to just put me up in an apartment and just pay my rent every month. But I'm like, can you contribute like a hundred or $200? And I'm going to figure the rest out. I'm probably like 16 17 at this time this like years before I got shot. Okay, I remember communicating I'm like, can you help a little bit like my mama ain't got you on child support You don't really send no money like that and it ain't no disrespect like Cuz I see he went in like he'd be taking shit like me telling my

story is like trying to down him but this is my truth this is what I remember you know what I'm saying right like from what I remember he wasn't really sending no money to my mama okay and my mama wasn't just pressing him for no money because she had a man right you see what I'm saying so I remember communicating that and I remember like it not coming through So now I gotta go extra harder in the lane that I'm in right as a 16 17 yo you feel what I'm saying cuz I got a Fan for myself down there. I got a feed myself Like I'm staying with friend a friend a friend you feel what I'm saying, right?

So I remember feeling let down by that On top of all the other times that I was let down when I was young and I wanted I was let down by that on top of all the other times that I was let down when I was young and I wanted shoes or a phone or this or that, a new video game, you feel what I'm saying? So at a certain point, I remember like, I got old enough to where it was like, I don't even care to talk.

So that's how that buildup came of me not talking to him about him years, you feel what I'm saying? Right. So in 2020, your brother gets, lose his life, right? Yeah. At that point in time,

did you think about putting everything else aside and try to reestablish a relationship with the father? I did. And we got on the phone and he started doing some things that were running me the wrong way. Like? Like just asking me for shit, like too early.

And like. So at this point in time, you had already become what you've become. Yeah. In 2020, I'm 21 seconds. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Yes.

Yeah. But I kind of like fell back and then like, you know, like when I do interviews, these questions come up and I just, I'm truthful. So I think that might have rubbed him the wrong way. You know what I'm saying? Type shit. Oh, okay. So you went back, your parents come, you come over here and you go back.

So how long were you over here before you went back for a month, two months, three months? We came out here, I was seven, six. I was six, turning seven. We went back the summer of sixth grade going into seventh grade. So however old you is. Okay. So probably 11, 12. Yeah, so probably like what, five years? We was over there five years.

Cause I know whatever it was, it was right before the visa expired. We went back and then renewed it. Okay. Type shit. You go over there with it. Did you remember anything about London? Because now you had spent just as much time in America

as you had London. Because remember you were five or six when you left. You stayed five, six, seven years here and you go back. Did it seem like home or did it seem unfamiliar to you? It seemed like home. Like even like, even when I just went back for the first time in what? I don't know how many years that is. If I, the last time I went when I was 12 and I just went last year when I was 30, that's what 18 years. Yes. I still remember how to get to my grandma's

house. Okay. Like because like it's a parking lot and you got to walk through to get to her house. Like I still remember how to walk to her house. I still remember how to walk to the store. Right. So it's like, I remember, I don't remember everything, but I remember like key, like major parks type shit. Once you get over there, did you yearn to come back? Like, yeah, I like London, but the US is my home now.

When I was young, when we went back to visit, yeah, I think I was ready to go home. Not like just in a rush, but it was like, all right, now I miss my other friends. Right. I miss y'all. We done kicked it now. Right.

Ready to go back. So school, how were you in school? What type of student were you in school? I was an excellent student, until the 7th grade. Okay. Like I feel like, like we were just talking about this last night we was playing the game and they was like um spell supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. And it was crazy because I won the spelling bee in 5th grade spelling that same word.

Wow. And I won the math competition that same year. Okay. So I used to get all A's, but like up until a certain point, I feel like when I found out, like really just realized like I, no matter how good I do in school, I can't go to college because I'm an immigrant. I can't get a job.

I can't get no driver's license. I feel like once that started to kick in, I kind of just gave up and just stopped caring. I used to go to school, fall asleep in class, just do all types of shit. So once you realize like, man, as smart as I am, won the math competition, won the spelling B, I can only advance so far in school. I won the math competition, won the spelling bee. I can only advance so far in school. Now I might need to try a different path. Yeah. So you go on this.

So in school, so how were the other kids towards you? Because you're smart. Normally kids, they pick on kids that are smart. But I was the cool kids. Oh, you were the cool smart kid. Yeah. Okay. Cause I used to do bad stuff, too.

I just had good grades. But I still used to skill, fight, do all the mischievous things kids do in school. But I was just smart. I'm still smart. Did you get bullied in school? No, I didn't really get bullied. I had issues with people. Right.

Not just like, you ain't finna just put my head in the toilet or take my lunch money. All right. So that's what it was. I mean, the older kids trying to take advantage of you. Yeah. And you like, nobody never tried to do that to me. I'm just saying like, I'm not one of them kids.

I was never one of them kids. Right. You ain't letting nothing slide. No. My mama ain't even finna go for that. Right. I remember like, getting tried in the neighborhood. Right.

My mama them coming outside to fight with us. What? Where your mama at? Facts. Mom put it down like that? I remember one time, like it was this lady, and my little sister used to be real cool with this lady daughter.

Right. But I was just known as the bad kid in the neighborhood. Right. So somebody spray painted, spray painted fuck fuck you, all over her car. She had a Lexus, the little... Oh man. The little bubble Lexus. Right.

But it wasn't like the suit, it was just like a regular little Lexus. Okay. So she come straight to my door. My mama ain't home though. Banging on the door. Where your bad ass at? Woo woo woo. I know you did this shit.

Woo woo woo. So she come to the door. So my auntie was down the street. I guess my little sister ran and told my auntie. So my auntie come down. My auntie come down. By this time they done called my mama. I remember my mama just smashing through the neighborhood

in her minivan. I remember I had some scissors. I had them broke the scissors. So it was just one side of the scissors like this. So my mama pull up swerving. she parked right in front of the lady building. So the lady out there, the lady standing on the car with her back on the car, my mama jump out the truck, bitch, she the muster lady. What?

Oh my God. But the lady didn't want to fight, so my mama didn't really just mash the gas on her type shit. Oh my God. And me and my little brothers You know, we deep it's all of us then we got friends, right? Like and I friends damn they're like our family like we like this the hood right now. They're like this outside, right? So they all out there like ready like they was gonna beat her up

But she she she bit her tongue and on my mama really didn't do the shit, right? It really wasn't me who spray painted her car. Right. That's how you know reputation is. Your reputation preceded you. Oh, God. Because you used to get in stuff and they just automatically assume that if some issue went down, Savage did it.

Oh, God. That shit was crazy. And I was innocent as a motherfucker. So you go to school. You end up getting kicked out of school because you bought a firearm at school. Yeah. What made you feel like you needed to bring that firearm?

I think I was just bad. Like, it was like some issues where a group of people from like another neighborhood that we didn't really get along with was saying like, they was supposed to be trying to fight us and they was deep, it wasn't number like five, six of us because all my friends are older, so they in high school. You see what I'm saying?

Like the people that I hang with, that's like, I feel like is like me, it's only a few. It was like three of us. And then like, I was just being bad really. I didn't really need to bring no gun, right? What's going on everybody? This is Justin Pinnock from John Boy Media the host of the football today podcast Alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays on Wednesdays on Fridays breaking down everything You need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh

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Like this dude in my neighborhood had did something and he hid it somewhere, and I knew where he hid it at. So I sleep stole it. Right. Yeah. And so someone tell how did they find out that you had the piece on you in school? Because when I got to school it was an ISS day so I started thinking like I don't want to just be had this motherfucker on me. In school suspension? Yeah I ain't want to just have it on me all day. Right. So I'm like, let me hide it.

And it was this little bitch ass little, like he ain't even really, I don't even really fuck with him. He just happened to be there while I'm hiding this shit. Oh, man. I ain't even thinking about this shit at the time. I didn't put this shit up under some leaves and some bushes and shit. So I guess they see us on the camera.

But on the camera, but on the camera they can't really tell who doing what. They can see me and him right there doing something. I don't know how it happened though, but they found it. They ended up finding it. So they come get me out of ISS. It was the school officer,

his name was Valentino Valencia or some shit. But he was a police officer, but school police. They come get me out of ISS. They walk me into the assistant principal office, but they know me. Because you know, and kids, this ain't for me. I'm not bragging about this, but when you bad as hell in school, you have a assigned counselor type shit, and normally your counselor is one of the assistant principals Right type shit. So I didn't have been counseled by all of them type shit So they come get me out of ISS they bring me in

in the office The nigga who was there while I was hiding and shit. He right there in the office. I'm like, ah shit He didn't dive you out. I know what this about so they bring me in the office They're like, yo, what what was in the bomb? I'm like, I don't know what y'all talking about. I don't know nothing I don't know I wasn't doing shit So I just sit there then I just Every time I used to get in trouble I just get an attitude and get mad and so I don't got an answer to shit. I just like man, bro

and so I don't got an answer to shit. I was just like, man, bro. You stop talking. So I stopped talking. So they like, alright, come on. They bring me back to ISS. So I'm like, oh, I'm straight. So I'm sitting at ISS. They start calling like, you know, they be like

buses, walkers, riders, ooh. So everybody start going. So I get up off the rip. I ride the bus right But they let I think either walkers or riders out first right I get up as soon as the first one Get up, so I'm walking out I said I'm walking out. You know I said in the trailers mm-hmm So I'm walking down the hill. I see the school police. He walking towards me come get me cuffed me I'm like shit, but all I was worried about was my mom

It's like when you young and you get in trouble, you don't give a damn about nothing else, but what your mama say? I don't know what I'm gonna say. Oh God, they cuffed me up, took me to, they tried to do some fake, scared, straight shit. They took me to the big jail, the Cal County. Right.

But like, they used to like, I don't know how they do it now, but back in the day they used to book you in the big jail Mm-hmm, not like put you in the big jail, but they're like the juvenile facility was right there But they'll take your pictures and shit at the big jail, right? So when they bring us in I guess they told one of the inmates like start banging on the the window or some shit That scares. I'm like, bro That didn't work.

No. Now- Big ass dough. What, you gonna bust through the dough and do something to me? You're banging on the dough. You're banging on the dough. Yeah.

So now they banned you, you cannot go to school in DeKalb County, correct? No, that ain't, that would, I got on probation for that. You got on probation for that one, okay? Right. Next year, no, this, yeah, this, this eighth grade, No, that ain't that with that I got on probation for that got on probation for that one. Okay, right the next year No, this yeah this this eighth grade I'm doing good. I'm still on probation. Mm-hmm playing football or whatever

So I'm at the back of the bus with with all the cool kids. Okay, we on the way to school These niggas it was this song when we was young called T bag down Man these niggas in the back. They start being on the window T bad. Oh T bad. Oh Bang on the window. So people start throwing shit cuz we had a substitute bus driver. Oh man They start throwing paper at the bus driver. I'm just back there I ain't really doing shit cuz I'm on probation. So I'm chilling but I'm laughing and shit. Right. I think I was singing the song a little bit.

Right. Man, they come get us. They treat us like we got down. There's some some serious shit. They come get everybody. Everybody who's in the back of the bus. They put us in the library. They had a like the it was some girls who was like telling about what happened. They got down. I think some of the boys were like grabbing the girls type shit, bringing the girls back down and shit. Girls were sitting on people laps and just bad shit.

So they had some girls who started telling, like they got in trouble. Like if you don't tell who was doing it, we're going to tell your parents that you've been being fast back there. So got down. I just remember they had, we're gonna tell your parents that you've been being fast back there. Right. So, god damn. I just remember they had, we had like a, they used to call that shit like a hearing, a hearing. Yeah. In the library. They bringing all of us to the window.

They got girls lined up. We gotta put our face at the window like, the hell they like. Yeah. Yup, they said him. They put my face. I ain't even did shit. They like, yup, him. So when that face. I ain't even did shit. They like, Yup, him.

So when that happened by me being on probation already, that's when they kicked me out of school for that incident. So they lied on you? Hell yeah, they lied on me man. You sure, I mean you sure you had no involvement? I should have never been back there. Once they started doing all that extra shit. You should have gotten up and went to the front. I should have got up and went to the front. So they didn't really lie, I was back there. I just wasn't doing all the shit that they was doing. I was in the mix type shit.

Did you have to go to juvenile detention for that? That was just like some school shit. Cause they like, nigga you on probation. You still don't know how to act. So they informed your mom, that's when they kick you out of the cab category. So they tell your mom, what'd your mom say?

I think that's the first time I really just got grounded. Well, you can't even leave the house, but I still was leaving the house. My mama know that shit, though. She know that shit. Because yeah, I got grounded. Because matter of fact, on God. So boom, my mama, she ain't whooping me.

By then I'm too grown. Right. Ain't no whooping. So she, I get home and shit. She like, you ain't leaving. You can't go nowhere. Sit inside the house. Watch your little brothers and sisters type shit.

Because at this time, my little brother Ruru, he was probably like Two or some shit. Mm-hmm. So I used to have the babysit, but my little sister old enough to watch him too, right? So There was this little boy in the neighborhood. I ain't gonna say I don't even remember his name anyway, but he was like younger than me So I'm outside we we at the park, the park like right behind our building. So I'm at the parking shit. He walk up like, I got some keys. I found some keys to this lady car

that live in the next building. So I grabbed the keys, I take the keys. I'm like, what car is it? He show me the car. I'm like, all right, all right. So I don't supposed to be outside. No. So got down, I go get all right. So I'm not supposed to be outside. No. So goddamn, I go get the car.

I crank it up. I'm like, oh shit. Have you ever driven a car before? Yeah, my mama. My mama shit. Mini van. Yeah, oh God. So I'm like, oh shit, this the real keys.

So I jump out. I jump out. I walk out. I walk back to the park. So you know how when you're young and you're doing something bad, you always need somebody with you to do it too. Like you ain't gonna just do it by yourself.

So I forgot who it was. It was somebody, oh it was my partner, I forget his name, Terry. He used to live across the bridge though. He was spoiled though, he was the only child. They lived in the townhouse. So I used to kind of be jealous of him, but I used to fuck with him too.

He used to have all the games, unlimited snacks. So I went and got Terry. I got a hotbox, that's what we call a stolen car. I got a box, I got a box. So I go get him, we go get in the car. So we driving around the neighborhood spinning like Like doing burn not burning out but just like drifting right?

So I go part the car we jump out we go back to the park again. We chillin Probably like 30 minutes go pass. I'm like shit. Let's go ride. Let's go ride So goddamn now I feel like I'd have mastered the car. So now I'm trying to do extra shit. So I get in the car, I reverse, but the car is parked directly in front of the people like building, they apartment building. So when we pull them out, we like trying to ease off and then hurry up and smash off.

So I put the car in reverse and I back out the parking spot. So, but he working the gear. I'm just hoping. You're just driving, okay. So I'm thinking this nigga put the car in drive, this nigga still got in reverse. I done smashed on the gas. Boom, boom, hit a tree.

Man, I'm like, oh shit, shit, shit. I hurry up and park the car. Get out the car. We take our rent in the back because I ain't want to rent this way because my building right here. Right. So we run behind they building and I went through the back way of my building and go change my clothes. Type shit. So I come back out the cab, countin' the police out there. So I walk up. So they like, uh, who seen where they went? Who seen where they went? I'm like, I seen them, they had on white, they ran that way. My bitch ass little cousin had told his mama it was me. So the police don't know, but my mama know. So now goddamn, they heathen told, but I think I can't remember. I got to call my mama and ask her like, did she whoop me about that?

Because I think she just like, she punched me about that, like, ooh, or something. I remember I got in big trouble for that. And I just remember that being like a couple days after the school bus incident, because that was like fresh. Like, I really wasn't supposed to be outside. Right, you supposed to be inside. Not only are you outside, you doing some hooch. That's how I got to go outside, on God. I told my mama I was taking my little brother to the park. So my little brother was at the park with my little sister.

That's how I got outside. So you were supposed to be outside, you just wasn't supposed to be in no hood shit. Oh God. Yeah. That. And your brother right there dived you out. My little cousin. Your little cousin there.

Yeah, he told his mama that it was me. And his mama told my mama type shit. But did the police ever find out it was you? No. Well you straight there. Statue of limitations up. Oh God. Yeah.

Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Sports. Do do you play sports I play football My I was too small But I tried you tried but really I had to for probation. Okay, like they was like you gotta be in as many Extracurricular activities as possible to keep you from doing shit just being at home doing nothing, right? So I had to but then like I only played one season because at the end of the season my mama didn't have enough money to pay the dues. Right. So I only played one season. I probably got on the field three times. What position did you

play? Where I receive in the cornerback. Okay. Had you stuck with it you think you'd have been pretty good? Yeah because I ended up getting taller like as I cornerback. Okay. Had you stuck with it, you think you'd have been pretty good? Yeah, because I ended up getting taller as I got older. Right. So probably, yeah. For sure. But I stopped going to school in ninth grade. You might have been an NFL player.

Facts. But I don't think the average, how much money do the average NFL player make? Do they make more than a rapper? No. I think I went the right route. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, unless you're playing quarterback. Now, quarterback, they make some bread. They make 40, 50 mill a year.

But you're doing better than that too, so. You did the right thing. Yeah, facts. Yeah, you ain't take, you don't gotta take no hits. Yeah, nah. Y'all be bruised up. Ain't and I'm nigga from to be pushing me to the ground and all that So you go so the ninth grade was it well, that's the farthest you went in school, right? Yeah, you dropped out So I got kicked out eighth grade. Oh, you got kicked out of eighth grade for the second semester of eighth grade

What'd you do to get kicked out the bus shit? Oh, so yeah, but you, but I thought you could go, if you went to another county outside of the cab, you was straight. I still, that's what we thought. So we moved up the street to Gwinnett County, and I had to go to alternative school in Gwinnett County. Right.

And they make you well, like, that shit was just different, bro. Because when I went to alternative school in the cab county, you know, it's black kids you know it's black kids it's still like it's still like regular right I got out there was just nothing but Mexicans but it was some black people too but this one I first learned about gangs right okay type shit so I went there for a semester then I went to South Gwinnett High School for like probably like a semester.

Then they was trying to kick me out because I was smelling like weed in school, falling asleep in class. But this is about around the time when I'm telling you like I ain't really feel like shit was going to get me nowhere because I'm an immigrant. So I just stopped caring. So my mama just withdrew me type shit. was gonna get me nowhere because I'm an immigrant. Right. So I just stopped caring. Right. So my mama just whipped Drew me. Type shit.

And she started like trying to homeschool me and shit. And then that shit, I don't know, it just eventually I just, I don't know what the hell happened. But it just stopped. You just kind of realized that, man, school ain't for me. Yeah, home God. Right. Yeah.

And so what, so once you realize like school ain't for me, what do you say? Like what are you gonna do? You got to do something She hustle Yeah, that's how you that's all I could do did you ever get your D GD no, I'm finna get it though So when you when you're okay, your mom takes you out of school No, I don't think I do. No, your mom takes you out of school. She's gonna try G? No, I don't think I do. Your mom takes you out of school, she's gonna try to homeschool you. You like, F it, this ain't for me. What do you tell your mom? Mom, school ain't for me, I'm not going,

this homeschooling ain't working, I'm gonna get on this grind. Or did you just like, I just gotta do what I gotta do? Honestly, my mama, I always just knew, like, cause I used to be getting trouble for like having cars lined up outside the house and shit. I just gotta do what I gotta do. Honestly, my mama, I always just knew, because I used to be getting in trouble for having cars lined up outside the house and shit. Cars lined up outside the house? Yeah, type shit.

You a general manager of the car dealership or something? That's the only way that's supposed to happen? People outside waiting in the car and shit. Okay, yeah. So, I feel like she had an idea. But I think I was just too grown. Even though I was young, I was just like grown. Like, I can't explain it.

It was like, you can't tell me nothing. You was much older than your age. Yeah, like you can't tell me nothing because I already be gone for goddamn two, three weeks at a time, type shit. So it's like, if you tell me something, I'ma just get the hell on. Right.

And go do it somewhere else. So when did the affiliation with the gangs, when did that come about? Like, I don't know, I feel like when you from the hood, they just automatically like, affiliate you with a gang. Right. Just growing up in the area.

Did you feel you need? I ain't never been initiated into no gang and no shit. Right. Yeah. So that's, you're not a part of a gang. No. If people just assumed. Yeah.

Because you was doing devious, you know, stuff. Right. Stealing the cars and whatever else was going on. They just automatically assumed you were part of a gang. Right. Just from being from a certain side of town and shit. Right. Yeah.

So did they say anything? Did your mom ever say anything to you? Like, bro, what you going to do with your life? I think my mama used to beg my daddy to step up type shit, more than to me. Cause I feel like she probably felt like shit, what else can he do for real type shit. And it wasn't like I was just stupid. I kinda knew what I was doing type shit.

So I think she more used to say that shit to my daddy, come get him or come be with him or but then again it's like she probably was saying that but I wouldn't have went for that though. Yeah I was about to say even if he had come to the states and tried to take you back were you gonna go? I younger, yeah, I probably would have like 16, 17. Right. But by the time I was 20. But you grown ass man, I mean, he can't get you to go nowhere.

Right. I had my son though. Right. So it wasn't that one option no more. Right. Type shit. I had my son the same year I got shot. So that was 2013. Right. I got shot. So that was 2013.

I was 20. So you was 20. Yeah. Take us back to that day. Do you remember anything about that day? About? The day you got shot and your friend got killed. Do you remember anything about that day?

Was it a normal day? Did you wake up like, ah, this is a Tuesday, this is a Wednesday, I'm gonna start my day, I'm gonna carry on. What was it was about that day did anything feel different? Yeah, it kind of some it I really feel different but when I look you know How you in the moment you you don't it don't feel different, right? But you look back on it and it's like damn cuz that day was my birthday. Okay, so Like he's turning 21, correct? Yeah. Okay. It was my birthday. Okay. So, like... You was turning 21, correct?

Yeah. It was my birthday, his mama birthday, and his nephew birthday. Y'all got the same birthday. So I was trying to book a hotel room so we could have a kickback and shit. Okay. Like, for that weekend.

And he called me because I had like a couple cars and shit. But they were not stolen cars, like cars I paid for. Okay. And one of my cars, I had speakers in the trunk. You know how people put speakers in the trunk. And one of his speakers went out in one of his cars. So he needed one of mine and he was like, shit, I'm going to just give you one of mine. Whenever I go by a new one, I don't feel like going up there now.

So and he was like, I want to see Kamar too, my son. So I wasn't at the house. I was with my other partner. He ended up getting killed too, his name, Wanwan. I was with him. He was like, running with me and shit. He was going to get the hotel room and his name because I ain't got no ID, I ain't got no license. So I needed somebody to get the room in their name

So I was running with him and shit and Johnny is my friend who was with me that got killed Okay, he had went to my mama house cuz me and my mama me and my mama last baby daddy like my little sister daddy We had all went in like, we was paying rent on the house. Okay. They was paying more than me, but I was paying, I was probably paying like $500,

they was probably paying like $600. Okay. That's some shit. So we was all staying together. So he had, because remember I told you, like my mama and her other baby daddy broke up.

Right. And she ain't had nowhere to go type shit. So we finally back together in the house. So Johnny had went to my mama house and he had went to see my mama, went to see my son and he had got to speak out the car and shit. Okay. But I remember like that whole day. Now that you said it, like I remember that whole day I kept telling myself like, I gotta pull up on Johnny.

I gotta pull up on Johnny type shit. Cause he wanted something that I had and I wanted something that he had. Right. So, um, after he seen my son and shit, and that was his first time just going to see my son on his own, like he ain't never did that before right type shit. So after he went to go see my little boy and shit. I Had pulled up at his house

He was like, um He was like ride with me somewhere right quick. I got a Henderson shit He was like, I don't feel like going to my car though Let's let's just ride in your car because I was in one of my little plug plugs Like like a hoopie type shit. Like a low key car. So goddamn, the shit's so crazy because like, when we was in the car on the way to wherever he was trying to go to, his grandma called.

His grandma was on the exact same street, but where we was going was to the left and where his grandma was at was to the right, but on the same street but where we was going was to the left and where his grandma was at was to the right but on the same street okay and she called like right before we turn on the street like we was at the light waiting to go left type shit so when I used to think back on it I used to be like damn like you know how they be like in life you you got a choice like which way you can go type shit and I used to be like damn if he would have went right he would have Maybe like in life you got a choice, like which way you can go type shit. And I used to be like, damn, if he would have went right,

he would have still been alive type shit. So we ended up making a left or whatever. We ended up pulling up or whatever. And like a nigga just jumped in the back seat and just like get up type shit. Then a whole bunch of this shit start happening. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Do you think with the setup? Cause I mean, you say, this shit started happening. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Did you think it was a setup?

Because I mean, you say this is a bucket. This is the car that low key, don't nobody really know. Did people know you had this car? Mm-mm. Not people who knew me, because I was always like a super low key. Right. Like I had a flashy car too.

Right. But nah, didn't nobody know about this car for real. I be thinking back on like a lot of shit. Because even like after that shit I used to be like damn, I didn't did like a lot of shit to a lot of people type shit. So I used to be like this shit could have came from anywhere type shit. So that day used to cross my mind. But I don't really know.

Did you feel you let your guard down to allow somebody to get the jump on you like that? Not really, not really. Cause I was on point. I think that's how I made it type shit. Like I was already looking back type shit. Did you know the guy? Mm-mm.

I ain't know. So he says, give it up. Whatever you had on you like, okay, bro, hey, whatever I got here, take. Mm-mm. You didn't have it. You, you said I ain't got nothing, bro. I had some. But you told him you, you told him you didn't have anything.

No, I had something else for him. Oh, you had him. Not what he wanted. You're right, right, right, okay, okay. What's going on everybody? This is Justin Pennick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose.

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Shit. So he got the jump on you? Kinda. Not really though, cause they was really scared for real. It was one or two? It was two of them. It was two of them, okay. One of them jumped in the back seat.

Okay. One of them was standing up outside the car. Okay. Type shit. So the one who was standing outside the car, he shot me off the rip right here. Okay. Cause I'm turned like this. So he like, fuck, nigga. Type shit. OK.

Then he take off running. So now it's just me and Buddy in the backseat. OK. But my brother, he. Like, I remember screaming to him, type shit, cause me and Buddy started going back and forth. Like, his arm was like over the seat and my arm was like over the seat. Okay.

So I remember like, but I was shocked. So I remember saying like, like Johnny, shoot him, shoot him, shoot him. Type shit. And me and Buddy was just going back and forth. And then he started, Buddy in the back seat started screaming like, ah, ah, ah, ah. So you hit him?

Yeah. But I was hit up too. Right. So when, I remember like the gun jammed type shit. So I had copped it back again. And when I put my arm over the seat, he put his gun on my arm and shot me. So my gun fell out my hand. And I remember us fighting over my gun.

Then it went off one more time, boom. I got shot right here in my hand from holding the gun type shit. Then he got up and he tried to run and he collapsed type shit. And then I remember, that's when I had an iPhone then. This was probably like the iPhone 3 or some shit. Ugly ass iPhone. So god damn I remember like trying to unlock the phone to call 911 and like my blood kept drying up the screen type shit. So I

remember I got out the car but first that's how I knew Johnny was dead type shit. Because after Buddy got out the car and ran, I remember I told Johnny, pull off, pull off, pull off. And then the car wasn't moving, but his foot was on the gas, but it was in park. So the engine was just like, mm. Then it was like some movie shit. The windshield wipers was like, then it was like some movie shit, the windshield wipers

was like, but it wasn't raining. Right. And then you know the door like when you got the door open, ding ding ding, like the alarm that tell you close the door. Right. Type shit. So I jumped out the car, I went and knocked on somebody door. They ain't come to the door. So I went back to the car and god damn, I unlocked my phone. I finally like, I didn't even unlock it. Back then it was like slide for emergency call. So I ended up sliding the car 911 like, yeah, I'm shot. They get the ass in all tight, just dick that ass questions.

Like, what the fuck bro like I'm shy what shit what street man what the fuck you mean what street I don't know the street I'm just shot right type shit so they like um I remember telling them like my my brother there my brother there type shit and then I remember Landa and I guess the nigga who was driving them niggas, he came looking for the nigga who was in the backseat. I guess he couldn't find the nigga. So goddamn, they, he rolled back past and I remember being on the phone, because I thought

they was finna ride back past to handle the business. So I scoot back, type shit. I was on the phone with the lady like, they run back past, woo woo, type shit. Then I remember the police pulled up. I don't even think I told her. I think I just put the phone like down type shit and just did it like that.

Then the police pull up. So I get out the car, cause I'm a victim. I'm like, man, this nigga talking about put your hands up. He put your hands up. Let me see your hands I'm like, but I can only put I can only put this arm up cuz I told you he shot me in this one So I put the arm up. I'm like I'm shouting this one. I'm shouting this one He like, um, sit on the curb and put both of your hands behind your back. I'm like man I'm shouting this arm. I can't put it behind my back. He like put sit on the curb and put both of your hands behind your back. I'm like, man, I'm shottin' this arm. I can't put it behind my back. He like, put it behind your back.

So I think I just like, mean this shit like that, type shit. Then I sat right there for a minute, then the ambulance pulled up. And when the ambulance got there, I remember the lady, it was a white lady. I wanted to see her, like wonder how she doing type shit. But she was in the back of the ambulance, so they put me on the stretcher and shit. They cut my clothes open, put me on the stretcher, so she put me in the back.

And she was like, let's hurry up and get him to the hospital before the sergeant get here and he bleed to death type shit. Cause I guess like when you in critical condition or some shit like, well I don't even think I was in critical condition. I think I was just bleeding a lot.

Right. I guess like they objective is for the detective to hurry up and ask you questions just in case right type shit so she was like hurry up so they put me in an ambulance and we just went to the hospital how many times do you get hit six and then no vital organs though no no vital organs so what do you think happened to you he got friendly fire my brother yeah the one that was in the car with you. No, I think the dude in the backseat shot him in the head. Oh, okay.

Like when it first happened. Right. Cause he had his gun on him too. Right. But he never shot. Right. So that's why when you're saying Johnny shoot him, he couldn't because he had already got hit.

Yeah, I think he got hit like off the rail. Real. Type shit. Right. Yeah. So what happened to the guy that was in the back that ended up collapsing? Did he live? Yeah he lived. Okay. He was paralyzed. Right. I don't know about now. Well that's what I heard. You know how you hear shit in the street but you don't know. Right. Yeah he lived though from what I remember. Right. What I know. Yeah. The guy, did they ever find the guy that shot you that was outside the car

Yeah, they they they they I don't know about I know they found two people but I Didn't know what they looked it like right so I couldn't tell like the police shit really it was dark tight, right? So I think they ended up they got charged and then it got thrown out and type shit You think about that? Do you think about that day? What could have been, what, what could you have done differently? Yeah, hell yeah. But I didn't even want to really ride with them that day because I was really just trying to chill. It was my birthday. Right.

We had some shit, like some drinking shit, some looking some looking shit was when they get drunk so I Was really just going over that it kick it with right type shit So yeah, I'd be thinking about that but the main thing I think about is like Like I heard his grandma on the phone Telling him like I'm ready cuz he pick her up from work every day right and? And I just used to think like damn I wish he would have just went and got his grandma instead type shit Because he wouldn't got his grandma you wouldn't have been in the car. You wouldn't have been there He wouldn't have been there and that day would have never happened facts. Yeah

You've seen a lot of tragedy your uncle Ended up getting killed. That wasn't my real uncle though. But remember I told you how we made family over here. Yeah, he got killed when I was in third grade. I remember I think I was asleep. But I was so bad, I probably was up. But I remember it was a school night. And I remember just hearing like, boom, boom, boom,

boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I remember jumping up and looking at my window and then my mama came in the room and just started hugging me, type shit, started holding me. But I was so young, I knew it was gunshots but something was telling me it was firecrackers. So I go back to sleep. And I remember getting up the next, like a couple hours later, that was probably like two in the morning. I had to get up probably like seven for school.

And I remember like my mama, there was iron in my outfit for schooling and shit. And the news was on and they was like I think it was five of them they got killed that night like four or five it might have been six it was like the dudes came they killed big boy which was like my uncle they killed Swiss shot and like another one of they partners and two maintenance men. And then I remember my mama telling me, or it was either my mama or my stepdad, it was like, yeah, they killed big boy, woo, type shit. But then when I got older, you know how you replay shit back in your head?

I was like, he robbed the wrong person. Because I remember all that week, he had went and bought one of them new Tahoe's, the Z72 trucks. What? The Z71? Yeah, the two though. Yeah, I know exactly what you talking about.

Yeah, that's the high end. Yeah, he had bought one of them. He had, I remember walking down there, cause like when I was young, they used to like, give me me little dollars and shit, and I used to rap. I do a little freestyle. Three bars and some shit, and they'll give me some dollars.

So I remember one time, that week I went down there, and they was all outside by the Z71. They was chilling on the truck, smoking and shit. I remember I seen a big ass bag of weed, probably like five pounds or some shit. Just bags of weed on the like hood of the car. And I remember one of them, his name was Kevin, he used to have a box Chevy on 23s with the Jordan logo on. I remember him like, man, put that shit up, bro.

What the hell wrong with y'all? Put that shit up. But I remember like, I ain't never seen them have that much weed. I ain't seen them smoke weed a million times. They ain't never had that much weed. So I feel like that's what happened, but I don't know. I feel like that's what happened, though.

Hit somebody's stash house, huh? Yeah, the wrong nigga, and they came back. Because they chased him. He was in, like, it was some old apartments connected to apartments, and it was a cut. He got down, he got shot in the next apartments. So he was running, he saw him coming. In the head once, but he still was alive.

He ran all the way from them apartments, ran like through the cut, because the cut is like right next to my building. He came through the cut and ran all the way down to like, to the end like I street it was a dead end on our street and he ran all the way to like well um my cousin Rakim stayed and he ended up dying like collapsing on their front step type shit. Right but your 21st birthday that wasn't the first time you had gotten shot was it was that the first time you got shot

No, that was the second time the first time was like on some like bullshit though It was just like a grace for real and wanted just like no just you know I'm saying like I ain't even go to the hospital Right. Yeah, whether the accident or was someone intentionally trying to You know, I think it was an accident. Okay. Yeah 21st birthday you lose your partner You almost lose your life You watch you've gotten grades before your your uncle who's not your biological uncle But he was raised up with you. So he was considered my uncle at what point in time Savage. Do you say? Enough of this?

I think like, yeah, after I got shot. Cause you got a kid, you got to think it now. You got another life to be responsible for. It ain't just you now. For sure. I remember thinking about that too, like while I was sitting there. I was like, I remember I just kept mumbling, like, I just kept mumbling like, I can't go out like this,

can't go out like this, can't go out like this type shit. And I was just thinking about my little boy type shit. Do you ever lose consciousness? Mm-hm. Not from what I remember. Right. You've, you've lost siblings. Yeah.

You mentioned that, I think your father had a son that ended up getting stabbed to death, correct? Yeah, in London, in my grandma neighborhood. That's why I just shot my last video. How does one that have experienced death so much, how does one cope with it? There's one thing to know someone's going to die of old age, we got grandparents and we have someone over there with a terminal illness. Okay, that's one thing.

But to see someone lose their life so young to see a parent bury a child when no one, no parent should have to bury a child. It's supposed to be the other way. The child bury the parent. How does one begin to cope or wrap their minds around death in that capacity? I don't know. I don't know how I do it. Because I didn't have times like why I cry sometimes I do it. Because I done had times like, where I cry sometimes, type shit when I'm by myself and shit, but I don't know, I think you just got to be built for this shit. You got to just be built for it.

You learn how to just move forward in life and just accept certain shit. But it's like, it still hurt though. But I don't know like, what it, I don't know how I cope with it, honestly. I read what you said after your brother's death, I took my anger out on you, I wish I could take that ish back.

Yeah. What do you mean by that? Like, like growing up, like I ain't really, we ain't really talk like that neither cause I used to be like kind of jealous of like the relationship that him and my daddy had. I used to feel like my little brother was the son he wanted and I was the son that he didn't want type shit. So like when me and my daddy relationship faded, it's like me and my relationship with like that whole side

of the family faded type shit but like right before he died we had just started back talking okay so it was like me saying that was like damn i regretted all the other all the years that we wasn't talking because i felt like you was like spoiled by my, like you know what I'm saying? Like you was his favorite type shit. Like he ain't really fucked with me. He wasn't there for me how he was there for you type shit. Like I remember one time like my daddy had came to visit. This the only time he ever came to visit.

And he had a, you was use like my mama told him like No, my my mama baby. My stepdaddy told my mama like they ain't got to spend no money on no hotel Why they here they can come stay with us type shit. Yeah Y'all barely have enough room for you guys But shit West Indians just like that. Yeah, right. Okay, cram in this bitch Cram in this motherfucker. So, they came and stayed with us and shit and he had brought my little brother with him. And I remember one day, God damn,

he had then took the van, he had took us to City Trans and shit. And God damn, he only bought my little brother shit. He ain't buy me shit though, type shit. And then I remember, I think my mama and my step daddy got to arguing about that because he took too long with the car. And my step daddy had to go to work type shit. So I remember just being like, I remember like being in the store and like I was like picking

out shit and he wasn't grabbing my shit that I was picking up but he was grabbing my little brother shit type shit and I remember like being jealous, like being hurt by that type shit. And I remember like being jealous, like being hurt by that type shit. So goddamn, I ain't never say shit though. Like that, like when, cause I was too young. So it was kinda like a, you know when you young and you feel some type of way about something but you can't say nothing.

So it was just like, you just eat it. So I remember we got home, I remember them arguing and shit. And then I remember my stepdaddy telling my daddy like this ain't got nothing to do with you bro you good like like don't worry about nothing you didn't do nothing wrong she was supposed to tell y'all what time I had to go to work type shit right and goddamn I remember my daddy we go go home, we at home now. Well, we walk in the house, because I think my stepdaddy told my daddy that while we was like in the parking lot.

So we walk in the apartment, we go in the house, I remember my daddy and my mama talking and shit. And then I remember my daddy caught me in the room. And he was like, he was like, I ain't gon' lie, I'm homesick type shit. He was like, I think I'ma leave early. What? Type shit. And I remember being like, I remember being like, hurt by that too type shit.

And then he left type shit. And I remember that's when I first started like being like, man, fuck this nigga. That was my first feeling of like, and my brother. That's when I first started being jealous of my brother. Cause I was like, you ain't seen me in years. You done brought my brother out here and bought him all type shit. You ain't bought me in years. You done brought my brother out here and bought him all type shit.

You ain't buy me nothing type shit. So I think that's where that jealousy came from type shit. But I wish I never did that. With my brother. But I think I couldn't control. No, you're a child. That's like anything. I mean, if you got two kids and you buy one constantly,

the other child will become resentful of the child that you buy everything for. And the child that you don't get anything, he'll resent both, the child and the parent. So it's a natural reaction, Savage. I mean, that was not something that you could consciously like, you know what, it's okay, you know, blah. That's not how a child mind's function.

But it explains why you have the resentment towards your father and you ended up growing, even though it wasn't your brother's fault, but still he was getting gifts in things that you weren't. And so you resented him for getting things that you couldn't get, and you resented the father for giving it to him. And the opportunity, you know, you hear people say all the time,

Savage, that, you know, make sure you tell someone that you love them. You don't know when it's going to be the last time or you might not get an opportunity. And here you sit back and like, man, the feelings that I had towards him, what I would give to tell him I love you and I appreciate you and bro. Oh God. Yeah. The type of father that you are, I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong, is that you want to be everything

that your father wasn't to your son, that your father wasn't to you. Facts. Yeah. But I kind of understand, like with my daddy, like I don't your father wasn't to you. Facts. Yeah. But I kind of understand, like, with my daddy, like, I don't like, I have forgave him for all that shit when I was a child. Right. More so, like, the reason why we not talking now is because, like, the shit that he did, like, as an adult,

just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Right. But, like, I kind of understand like, your child in a whole nother country, you ain't rich, right? But it was just like- Time doesn't cost anything though. Right.

But it was like other little things, you see what I'm saying? So it was kind of like, but now like with my kids, I be feeling like I don't be doing all the way my job because of my job. Right. Type shit. So I be trying to like balance that out like, trying to like, it's like you work to receive

to gain all the success and all the good shit but it's like, I feel like the best parents, in my opinion, is parents that don't got it all. I feel like broke parents are better than rich parents, in my opinion, because when you broke, you got way more time type shit. Right. So you there for a lot of the shit. Like yeah, gifts and shit matter

but They don't matter at the same time. Sometimes all the kid needs is time. You're tired fast Something that a gift can't replace fast. We see uh, yo Gotti lost his brother Yeah, was coming from was at a funeral and ended up losing the end up the son. His brother ended up losing his life Savage how do we how do we stop that cycle? Because I heard Rick Ross call and say, bro, let's put the guns down, let's put the masks down, let's come together, let's build these communities, let's get this paper together,

let's stop this senseless violence, how? Oh no. Let's stop this senseless violence. How? I don't know. I don't think that shit ever would stop. It's just my opinion. Like, people been killing forever. That shit's just life. But what are they actually killing for? But what are they actually killing for? Nothing. But you can't, there's nothing that you can kill somebody for that validates killing.

You fight over territory that doesn't belong to you. That block doesn't belong to you. That belong to the man. Yeah. But I don't feel like people really fight over blocks no more. Like, I think it'd be like shit that people do to each other. Right. It's like you can look at it from two points of views.

When I was younger I used to look at it from my point of view. But now that I'm older it's like I look at it from like an older point of view. But when I was younger it from like an older point of view. Right. But when I was younger, it was like, if somebody killed your brother, like, what can stop you from wanting to kill their brother? Seeking revenge. Like, what can stop you from wanting to do that? You feel what I'm saying? Like, then I'd be like, damn, what gives, like, people the right to say when you can kill?

Because it's people who, damn, they got a license to kill. They can go kill somebody legally. What's the difference? What makes their reason more valid than this young boy who just lost his brother? What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennock from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything

you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. we break it down, stats, analytics, and of course Chris Rose

is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to football today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the post-season run. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, I don't feel like killing will ever stop.

Probably the amount and the, how it's happening and shit can slow down. But I feel like as long as you got life, you got killing. When did you decide that rap was gonna be your way out and you was gonna put that behind you? How old were you when you said, you know what, I can do this? I mean, I think 50 was a guy that was in the game,

ended up getting shot nine times, turned his life around. I don't know if 50 is the role model of yours. I think I read somewhere where you said Three 6 Mafia. Yeah, I liked that they music growing up, but I ain't really know much about Three 6 Mafia. Like I knew about Project Pat, like his story. I didn't really know about Three 6 Mafia, like as a whole story.

50 Cent was a thousand percent, like I looked it up to him growing up too for sure. Like, because he told his story more than like a lot of other artists. He had a movie and all this type of shit. So I knew his story a little more. Like I was inspired by his story and shit. So when did you decide to say I'm going to give this rap thing a try? Like after I got shot, yeah, that's when I really just started like trying to like rap

for real. Right. I had made songs playing around and shit with friends, but that's when I started like really like putting my money into it and shit like that. Right. Okay, you meet Metro Boomin. Yeah. And so that was, so how did you meet him and how did you guys become such good friends?

I met Metro Boomin through Key. It's a Atlanta rapper named Key. And I met Key through Man Man. He a rapper from Atlanta too. And Key used to bring me around Sonny Digital. Nobody has real names, huh? Everybody got Man Man and Key, it's Slim, Skinny, Pope. Oh got man, man, and Kee. Yeah, yeah. Slim, skinny, po. Oh, God.

Oh, God. Shae Shae. True. Touche, touche. Right. God damn. That used, Kee used to bring me around Sonny and Sonny was the man. Okay.

And then everybody used to be at Sonny House. Right. And then that's how I met Metro. So you met up, he gave you, so did he know, did he know you rapped at the time? I don't think so. He ain't know me. Right.

But I just walked up on him like, man, I'm savage, bro. I need some beats. I'm finna start rapping. And he fucked around and sent me a couple beats. And I had there like a couple songs on them and he fucked with them. And then we just grew a relationship. And it took off from there? Yeah.

Did you think or did you know? But really Sonny, Sonny, my songs with Sonny blew up before my songs with Metro. Okay. Type shit. Okay. So it was really me and Sonny was locked in. Like Metro was giving me beats too but I was doing like projects with Sonny and shit. Sonny was like showing me how to record. Okay. Like let me use his house to record and all type of shit and then me and Metro grew our relationship while all that was going on type shit. Did you think you could become this?

Cause I remember I used to like, when I had caught my first little song, I remember I used to be sitting at Sonny House like, man, when the hell you supposed to start getting show money bruh? Type shit. And he used to be like, bruh don't worry bruh, it's gonna come bruh, trust me bruh,

like it's gonna come type shit. I didn't think it would be like this, nah, hell nah. Because back then it was like, people was blowing up, but I don't know if people was blowing up that big. Right. I feel like all the people who, this big right now, like we all got there

around the same time type shit. Right. Like we ain't had nobody be like, well Future back then who was just big like that. Future says if Young Metro don't trust you, I'm gonna shoot you. I mean, but you look at your guy, I mean, what is it about Atlanta? You Future, Tip, Luda, I mean, Eastside, if you in the rap game, Lil Baby. Yeah, I think Atlanta's just like a player city,

like, it's just player, like we just, I don't know, we just know how to talk, we know how to walk, dress, talk to women, set trends. It's just something in the air, I don't know. I had T.I. on the podcast. T.I. said, you asking for a million dollars, and he said no, because he said that I would have to take more from you.

Yeah, he was still trying to sign me though. T.I. just cheap as hell. Ah, he gonna try to, he, he, he, he, he, he was still trying to sign me though. Tia's just cheap as hell AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH But I did, he sent me an offer and my counter offer was I want a million and he was like shit I'm gonna have to take so much from you in return Right that it ain't even worth it ain't even gonna be worth the million in the future type shit So we actually saved you from your sale. Facts. Yeah, I look up to TI,

cause TI one of them niggas, he rich as a motherfucker, but he tight as hell, boy. That's how he keep that money though. He's smart with his money. Had a platinum album before you signed your first deal. Yeah. So now you're in a very favorable situation because you got you I mean it's not necessarily you got to do a bad deal because you already got a platinum album. It's not like a situation you're looking to get signed so you can release

an album. You already got the album. Was it platinum or was it gold gold I had platinum singles yeah but I had a gold out right yeah but you straight yeah for sure so it kept so that kept you out of a bad deal yeah cuz I was like it was like all type of street niggas I was supposed to sign to who had like little labels and shit right but something just used to tell me like, man, hell no, I don't take no 30,000, I don't take no 50,000. Like, you worth more than that. Right, you ended up doing a 70-30 split, right?

Yeah, yeah, with Epic. Yeah, that was my first deal. It was like 70-30, but like they had like a 10% distribution fee or some shit. So what's your take on streaming? I hear Snoop Dogg say, man, look here, man. Them streaming, you stream a billion, and man, you ain't really making no money.

What's your thoughts on streaming? I think it all depends on how your deal's structured, because it's some money and screaming. What's money and streaming? It's just about like how your deal structure and how much you scream type shit. Well, it seemed to me that we got to be some money in it because my label be giving me some money.

Okay, I was about to say, because the way you talk, you talking like you got a structure deal that you be getting. They gotta be making money. Right. Because they're giving me money. Right. So it's some money in that shit, some real money in it.

Let me ask you about your catalog. Future sold his catalog, I think he sold it 65, 75 million. Is that something you'd be interested in at some point? Yeah, I'll probably lay it down the line for sure. I only got a couple albums right now though. But, it depends how much my much my hustle I apply my hustle, right? Because shit I might fuck around and invest in some and become a being and Be able to pass my catalog down to my kids. I'm not even had to sell my catalog, right?

I'm looking at the excel freshman class little easy bird Yachty Kodak Denzel current your Herbo David East little dicky Anderson pack designer and you Well, y'all hit a lick that year. Yeah for sure. Yeah Yeah for sure It was some stars on that cover Do you are do you do you ever sit back and like man? Considering what your story of how coming to to Atlanta from London or the East Side your upbringing there's a lot of things that could have happened

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First album in six years. How much have you grown since your first album? I think my sound just changed, like my beat selection, like just talking about deeper things and just like, I feel like I'm just growing up. Like I'm a grown up now. Right. I was like a young nigga when I first came out.

I was just saying anything type shit. Right. Samples on the album. How difficult was it to clear the samples for some of the music that you used? Jan do that, my A&R, she be handling, she be on top of all that shit, so. She ain't really come back to me like nothing was too hard

to clear this time, but it do get hard sometimes. It gets hard because they want to charge more than what you think it's worth, or they just don't want you to sample it? Some people just don't want you to sample that shit. Right. Like, um, one of my songs, like, they cleared it for the album, but then when it was time for me to do, like, commercials or, like, TV performances, they wouldn't clear it.

So it was like, damn, I should have just never cleared it for the album in the first place, because now they sound big and... And you can't sing it. I can't really do nothing. Do it, right. Everything that I wanna do with it. So why would they let you do it for the album, but not let you do it commercially?

I don't know. Man. Do you ever look and see like, okay, American Dream's supposed to drop, and somebody else like, you know what? Like three other artists might be dropping that week. Would you ever move yours up or push yours back? Or you like, hey, may the best man win.

It depend on who dropping. Keep it all the way real. If it's somebody too big, I'm gonna get up out of their way. Right. But I'm gonna normally know that before I even drop. Like I'm gonna know like, youa know how the labels have a calendar of what be coming out for the most part. But yeah, I get up out somebody way.

But people get up out my way too though. They should. I'm looking at, are you the best rapper in that 2016 class? I feel like I am. But I feel like everybody in that class should feel like they is too. Right. But hell yeah, I feel like I am for sure.

Dark Dave's song of the album, you would say your gun won't love you back and the block won't hug you back. That song? Yeah. I really was like in the booth, like talking like to like a younger me, a young man in that same situation type shit.

Like I was just like telling them like, yeah this shit might look cool but in reality like this the truth, like this what it really is, right? Like this the real type shit. I was just like talking to him in that way, like, yeah, you could say you love that block, but it don't love you, it ain't gonna hug you back. You can stay, like hug the block, that's like posting on the block all night. It ain't gonna hug you back.

You could love your gun, but your gun ain't never gonna love you back. Right. You're gonna lose your friends. After your candlelight, then ain't nobody gonna come check on your mama like that. They ain't gonna give her nothing. Wow.

Like you feel me? Like that's just how shit go for real. You told kids to stay in school, talked about seeing friends take their last breath, talked about crying at night and mama's crying. Talked about kids growing up without fathers. Said even though you even thought about suicide. Tell the story that don't want people to live.

So what is it about that lifestyle that people find so, not people, but young men, especially a lot of young men of color, find so fascinating? When you young, you damn they get rewarded for dumb shit. Right. Like when you young, but it ain't like a real reward. But it's like, you get more attention. I say that like, like when we be growing up, like we don't begin a lot of attention type shit. Right. Our daddy ain't around. Mama always busy type shit. So like when you do daddy ain't, you know, mama always busy type shit.

So like, when you do bad shit, remember I told you, like, you get a counselor. That was like some cool, in school, like, if you had a counselor, like, other kids looked at you like, like, you was something type shit. So it's like, it just build up and build up and build up type shit.

And you just used to getting rewarded for dumb shit or not dumb shit, but like bad shit that is just carry on. And then you just, before you know it, you a grown man and you just stuck in this shit type shit. But you're one of the ones that made it. You got an opportunity to be a grown man, got an opportunity to look back and say,

look, made some mistakes. Don't learn, don don't do make the mistakes that I made. Yeah. You wanted a few. Yeah. Bless. I know a lot of people that didn't. Um on this album Young Thug, Young Thug recorded or pre-recorded. Do you still talk to Thug? Yeah, not like that though. Right. We didn't talk. The 21 American Dream, you got a story, a movie coming out. Nah, that was a parody.

A parody, okay. Do you think your story is good enough to be a movie or documentary? You got a very interesting story, Savage. Do you think so? I do. Because it's the American dream. I mean, think about how many people,

you hear about this all the time, people migrating to America, and you're an American success story. Not a whole lot of money, very tough upbringing, single parent, I mean, you had love, and you could have gone down this path and you went down this path for a period of time but somehow you come back down the straight and narrow and here we are.

American love success stories. Why not? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it could be. One day. They got hate on it now though. Why they go hate on it?

Because they're going to be like what the fuck 21st average deserves a story for a movie by him for what he did. Right. You know how they do. You know what they hate on? Your relationship with Drake. Why people got beef with Drake? What Drake do to anybody? I don't know. So cause you know you gonna get blow back. If you cool with Drake they hate on him they gonna hate on you too. Yeah. I don't know.

I fuck with Drake though, Drake my boy. Yeah, you sure? I mean, what's not to like about the man? I mean, hell everything he touch turn to platinum. Damn gold, platinum. Oh God. Oh God, yeah. Do you think people are envious of your relationship?

Because obviously, it's not like he, I wouldn't say that he doesn't mess with a whole lot of people, but he seems to have a very, you and he seem to have a very special relationship. And sometimes people get envious of that. They want what you have. What you feel like a man is if he jealous of how cool two other men are.

What do you, what you think, what you think that is? What you would look at like that? Like if somebody said, I don't like how Steven A. fucked with Shannon Short. Like how that'll make you feel? What you would look at that like? That's some hating ass, you know what? Right.

Because it is, but what you have to understand, and I'm learning this Savage, is that as you rise, the applause is gonna come, but so is the hate and the criticism. So if you're not willing to accept the applause and the adulation that comes along with the rise, you might as well get off, because the hate and the criticism coming.

Yeah, yeah. And that's a part of it. And you just have to accept that. And that can't, the hate and the criticism, it can't drown out the applause and the adulation. Right. What adulation mean? Applause, the praise, the Grammys, the,

man Savage, you hear Savage album? Man, F Savage, man, I don't fuck, F with that dude like that, man, he ain't like that. Yeah. You know that's coming. Yeah. But see, everybody, see, as long as you like here and everybody's here with you, we cool savage.

But now, now, hold on now, don't you go here. Because if I can't go here with you, I'm gonna start hating on you. Yeah. Now, if you get here, now I gotta say some stuff that might not even be true. Right. Because I don't want people to like you

more than they like me. I ain't never been like that though I know you not but there are a lot of people that are yeah I wonder why though like what make you be like that night. I always look at it like shit That's just like me hang on Drake Yeah, I'm trying to get there right. I look at it like inspiration like shit. I'm working. That's see, that's how I look at it. I look at anybody that's done something. What has been done was hell, it can be done again. Right. So a drape there. Hell, why can't I get there? Right.

See, that's how I looked at it when I saw Steven and I see guys that Charles Barkley and things like that. I was like, I'm not hating on them. I was like, I can do that. Let me see. Let me get on my grind. Yeah. But that's not how we are. We're not we're not wired like that. Right. And it's sad, the touring aspect.

What do you like most about touring? And touring with Drake? The money. Ha ha ha. Lots of it come with Drake, huh? That shit just come period. Right. You reach a certain level.

Cause shit, Drake ain't finna pay you nothing that you ain't worth. Right. He ain't like he just paying you cause you his friend. Hell nah. They paying you your fee. Man, it made me get thuggin'. I should've started rapping instead of playing football.

Might as well. Then I got you a what the hell, what a 55 year old gonna rap about? Shit, rap about God damn everything. Everything you're going through. It's some 55 year olds that God damn can relate. It's a lot. Google how many 55 year old men there is in the world.

As a bunch of them. All right then. Nah, you ain't finna get me out there, have me out there. Jump out there and make a song. Get some screaming money and then tell me if screaming pay or not. Jump back down and make a song. Get some screaming money and then tell me if screaming pay or not. What's it like touring outside the country?

It's different. Because they got, it's like they love, they love hard. They might not even speak English, but they can sing every word that you be singing. Yeah. That's shit crazy. I ain't never got love like that before. Really?

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Yeah. So you love going, you love, I mean, it's not like you don't love touring the states, but you love going out of the country because they give you love like. But I think it might be different for me because remember I couldn't travel for so long. Like my first time ever performing out of the country was a couple months ago. Right. Because you couldn't leave because of the situation.

So I think it was like Anticipated for me a lot, but shit every soul showed out They were showing love like a motherfucker like screaming every song like songs that I wouldn't even expect them to know they know every word Every word yeah, that shit was crazy. Let me ask you this would you ever experiment with your sound like Drake did? Yeah, why not? Once I get to Drake level, you got you got to be big as hell to experiment. Yeah, you could experiment and that shit in your career. Right. But so you got to have like the leverage to do that. Right. Type shit. But right now you love the Savvy sound right now. That's working right now.

It's booming, you sold out, your album's number one, you go platinum. I'm just slowly evolving type shit piece by piece. I ain't finna just jump out the window and just make no whole different shit. But I give you little bits and pieces of it as I go type shit. You like R&B. Would you ever do an R&B album? With me singing?

Yeah. Hell nah man. I had to go get a vocal coach. I love R&B though. I listen to that shit more than anything. I don't even listen to rap like that. Okay. You like R&B. Give me your Mount Rushmore R&B artist. If you, you got, you got, give me your top five R&B artists. Can they just artist or group? Can it be either or? It can be either or. It's your list. Alright. Mount Rushmore ain't in order, neither.

No, no, no, no. Now, Mount Rushmore is only four, but I'ma make it easy on you. I'ma let you get five. I'ma let you get five. All right. Usher. OK. I love SWUV. OK. Beyoncé.

OK. The Boy Who In Jail. R. Kelly. Hehehe. And um, 5Tough, number fire tough bro. I ain't gonna lie, I love Monica. Monica. Okay.

But then like you got Mary J. Blige. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got god damn, cause the Isley Brothers got some shit. For sure. There's so many other ones, but them probably who I listen to the most. Right. What's your man's worst Marby? R&B?

Well, Usher, that definitely gotta be on there. Usher. For me, I would say Usher, Mary J. Man. James Brown. I would probably know Marvin Gaye. James Brown, soul right?

I wouldn't put him in R&B. No, I wouldn't either, no. Probably Marvin Gaye. I guess, for me, I love Luther. But you can't go wrong with Kenny Latimore either. I don't know Kenny Latimore. Yeah, he a little bit before your time.

Yeah. Yeah, but you know Luther, right? Yeah, Luther Van Drop. Yeah, yeah. For sure. So would you like, let's just say you wanna do an R&B album. Who, and you can't pick Beyonce. Why I can't pick Beyonce?

Nah, hell nah, cause I know you gon't pick Beyonce. Why I can't pick Beyonce? No, hell no, because I know you gonna pick Beyonce. You can't pick Beyonce. Who jumping on the track with you? Is one person? Yeah. For the whole album? You have, nah, you know what? I'm gonna let you do features you can have

as many as you want. I'm gonna let you have, I'll let you have Beyonce. Beyonce. Us she go do a track Beyonce go do a track Beyonce gonna do another track that's true I'm gonna get you right from Beyonce um Okay. That girl um she hard as a motherfucker. Coco Jones. Okay. Um her. Okay I like her. I'm gonna go get a front wherever he at. You right. We're gonna go get a front. We're gonna get the boy Joe. Yeah okay. We're gonna see what Joe

at. Well you might wanna put if you go get you, you wonder about KC and JoJo, you gonna put them on your R&B? They be singing still? They still sing? Yeah, KC and JoJo. I'm gonna go get Jagged Edge. Man, you going wave, aw man. I'm gonna bring them back together.

I'm gonna go get SWV. Okay. Y'all have to come back out. I love Cut Close. If they still somewhere singing, I get Cut Close. I get Sammo 2 to come back. Okay. Yeah, see I'm gonna have our type of shit on my shit. Right. I'd probably make the hardest collaboration R&B album of all time. If I could just get all them artists. Right. Oh my God.

Yeah, it's gonna cost you a lot though. She's all right. We're gonna scream How did it feel to help J. Cole win this with Grammys I Think we helped each other. I don't think I just helped him. I think we helped each other. It felt good shit That was my first Grammy to break ain't like I just had 10 Grammys and I just gave him a Grammy. We won that motherfucker at the same time. I wouldn't have got it without him. So what was that feeling like? You're sitting in there, you okay, you get nominated.

Obviously it's a huge accomplishment just to get nominated. Everybody say, oh, you know, I don't even care if I win as long as I'm nominated bulljive. You nominated, you wanna win. Okay, so you sit there and the Grammy for goes to and they call J. Cole 21 Savage. What goes through your mind? I was sad that day,

cause that was the day Kobe died. Oh, right. So I was kinda sad that day. And then like, my award wasn't announced in the Grammys. I knew I won it before we got there. Oh, that's anticlim there. It was like- That's anticlimactic. It was like one of them like pre-announced.

Yeah. Yeah. You wanna hear, you wanna hear, hey, I wanna hear my- Wanna get up and walk up there like- Yeah, yeah, you might walk on stage, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't got it. But yeah, that was the day Kobe died.

So I kinda like did a sweep. So when you do a collab with J. Cole? Yeah, for sure. It seems like you like look, you're one of these you one of these artists that, hey, you collab offset, J. Cole, Drake. You don't seem to have no beef with none of the artists. Because I feel like I feel like life is bigger than like that type shit. I feel like we are blessed to be in these predicaments and positions and right because I feel like life is bigger than like that type shit. I feel like we are blessed to be in these predicaments and positions and shit because I feel like we'll be doing the people injustice by not giving them that type shit.

Like back in the day, you don't remember, like everybody used to be in everybody video. It was more like unity, like because we was all coming from, we, we, we spoil now. Artists today is spoiled because of how far music has went. Back in the day, it was like, it was harder to get on. So they was more appreciative by the time they got, they start getting their shit together. You know what I'm saying? So they all stuck together a little more.

Yeah, we had, that's why I feel like beef was so big back then. Right. Cause it was like more rare. Now like everybody beefing. Everybody beefing. So type shit. But are they really beefing or they trying to

get some publicity? It'd be half and half. Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna put you on, I got a tough one for you right now. Give me your top five Atlanta rappers. Without me. Without you. I'm gonna put you on I got a tough one for you right now. Give me your top five Atlanta rappers Without me without you. I'm gonna go future, okay

Tia, okay Gucci Outcast And young thug, okay, I'm sorry, Luda. Jeezy. Y'all made my top five, but that's... Damn. Migos, thugs, yada yada. Yeah, baby, I'm sorry.

See, you can't do no Atlanta top five. You can! You gotta do Atlanta top 20. No, no. We got too many greats. Nah, cuz I have to let you put everybody up in there. So when they see this, they like it. I like my fire. Them niggas ain't gonna put me in they top fire anyway. They might? Hell nah. They gonna say current, current or all time. So what what what type of influence did Gucci have on you? You say you saw Gucci at Miss Weiner's very, very early on. I'ma keep it real, like, growing up on the East side, bro,

Gucci made me hate young Jeezy as a child. Right. You know what I'm saying? Gonna beat the head go with the head. Yeah, like, I used to really be like, man, fuck Jeezy. Right. I'm from the East side, nigga, Gucci. Type shit. Oh God, Gucci East side, Gucci type shit.

Oh God, Gucci had a big impact. Gucci was the one, and he was like, he put that shit on the map, let it be known, the East side type shit. Are you big into gifts? Do you buy other, I saw Drake, Bob Thug, or Ferrari, are you big into buying other artists' gifts that jump on your album

and blow it up? Yeah, we be buying, I done bought Drake some shit, he done bought me some shit. I done bought Thug shit, he bought me shit. Like people that I fuck with in Metro, I just don't do shit for the internet. You do stuff and don't nobody know about it. But a nigga might have a chain on that I bought him,

but you would never know, cause I ain't finna about it. Yeah, but a nigga might have a chain on that I bought him. Right. But you would never know. Right. Cause I ain't finna like, be like, huh, huh bruh. Yeah. Type shit. Were you old enough to remember Freak Nick? Yeah. Freak Nick would like that, wasn't it?

I don't remember being there, I just remember traffic. Like, can't go nowhere. Nope. Type shit. It was real nice though. But you got kind of my free, you know I been throwing free in it too. But you threw, hold on, what time?

What really going on? On my birthday. When is this? October. We had like, how many people was out there? Like 7,000 people? Yeah. All downtown at the underground.

We had Uncle Luke perform. What? Yeah. I remember them days. You see what I told you, see? After you get 55, you just get on up out of the way. You know, I had my time in my early 20s, in my late 20s, early 30s.

I had my time, I had my time with Freaknate. You miss, miss you real nice that. For real? Man let me stop let me stop. It was alright it was alright. Now everybody be talking about you know teeth what's going on me you spend a lot you put spin good I mean now, I mean, now you savage. You can be in front of the camera, you rapping, you gotta have your grill right. Yeah, for sure.

How many bands you put in there? Like 85. See? I had to go get them right. You get it right, yeah. You supposed to though. Yeah, not the composite shit. Nah, nah, that's that D-Dawg dude,

that I know. Yeah. You got that porcelain. Yeah. You got to though. Yeah, not the composite shit. Nah, nah, that's that, hey, I know. Yeah. You got that porcelain. Yeah. You got it too. You got it too. Grills, no grills. Oh god.

I want to get to this, dating publicly. Would you ever date publicly again? Yeah, probably. You would? Would you ever date publicly again? Yeah, probably. You what? Would you? No. Why? Because I believe if you date publicly, you have to break up

publicly and you have to deal with your issue publicly. If you date privately, you can break up privately and deal with any issues you may have privately. Damn, I never thought about it. You just taught me something. That's just me. I mean, to each his own. I mean, some people like that.

My relationship is not for public consumption. Because sometimes I think people start to try to live and try to play out their relationship for the public and do things. Oh, you see what they did? They on this vacation. If I go on vacation, it's just me and you. I ain't trying to do anything

For the gram of the net right? Yeah, I mean if I if I don't all that like when you go out to eat and you women got to take pictures Oh, let me take a picture of the come on man. Stop it Yeah, I'm good. So that's that's why I'm at with that but that's the each is on Yeah, but you could but you could be I mean if your lady says, okay, you know, savage, I'm like, hey. You might just change my mind. No. Oh, God.

You might just change my mind, because you got to break up publicly. But what if you never break up? Have you ever been in a relationship that you felt like, I don't think we ever gonna break up? Hell, all the relationships that you been, you be thinking that at the time. I don't think

anybody get no relationship they like our business this is going to in the mall you think you think it's gonna last forever oh god but I just think the thing is that sometimes you know man that internet man yeah then people start then people start surmising what's going on oh he ain't he don't love her like that she don't love him she for. She don't love him. She for the street, he for the street. And it started to play on me. You get inundated with that Savage man. You hear that enough, and it just.

Yeah, it'll take a toll on you. It does, it does. Your tattoos. How old when you got your first tattoo? 13, 14? I had got my mama's name though. All right. So she couldn't. So you were cool with that.

So how old were you when you first got your face tapped? Your first face tap, how old were you? 16. She didn't like that. 17, yeah she didn't like it. 17, 17. So was it the crawls? It was 21.

And then that next year, my big brother Larry, that was like Johnny's best friend. He had got killed, him and his mama got killed together. Wow. And I had got RIP Larry, cause me and Larry went and got 21 together. Right. So I had one that got RIP Larry around.

That was my second face tattoo. Right. What does being a father mean to you? Everything. It's just like I feel like that's where your legacy count the most. Mm-hmm. Because when you think of like all the legends you be like damn I wonder what they son doing. What their kids look like. That's who carry on everything. That's your lineage. Yeah, I feel like it mean everything. And you're trying to be everything that your father was to you.

Yeah, facts. Do you make a, is it just second nature or you make a conch or you like, yeah, my dad wouldn't do this, so I'm gonna do that. Nah, hell nah, I don't do that. It's just second nature. It's just second nature. I don't even think it's like,

I don't even think of me and my daddy relationship when I think of like my kids. Really? Which is what come natural to me. Did you always wanna be a parent? Did you always wanna be a father? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always wanted to have kids.

I feel like, what did you really do it for if you don't have no kids? Right. Like, what was all of this for? You just gonna die and then what? That's the end of you. Ain't nothing else to go on like, type shit. Like how I look at like, Briony and shit.

Or like, Kenyaman Jr. or like, Carmelo's like Carmelo son is like that's what it's about right shit like You want to what if your son would say dad, you know, I want to be a rapper too I'm gonna try and find something else. But if that's his passion, right shit, we're gonna do it the right way, right? When people say rap is declining, your answer is? My show probably is going up. So it ain't declining. It can't be declining. Shit, my shit going up.

Right. I just did the most streams in the day for, of my career, the biggest solo streams of my career wow so it can't be declining but i don't know though right what's 21 savage's goal for 24 we early in 24 we we january so what what can we expect what's your goals for 24? I just wanna like level up with everything that I'm doing, like better show. I feel like everybody loved the album already.

Spend more time with my kids and my people. Like I wanna go back to London more often and shit, and just like. Now that you can travel, that's something that you wanna do. Yeah, like traveling and just starting new ventures and shit and business and shit. Just growing up. Right.

Doing grown stuff. 21 Savvy, ladies and gentlemen. All my life, been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle paid the price Want a slice, got to roll a dice That's why, all my life, I been grinding all my life All my life, been grinding all my life Sacrifice, hustle paid the price

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