Club Shay Shay - Listen Again: Katt Williams

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

The legendary Katt Williams, hailed by many as the greatest comedian alive, joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an explosively candid conversation. Renowned as one of America's most exceptional entertainers, Katt fearlessly takes shots at fellow comedians like Rickey Smiley, Cedric the Entertainer, Steve Harvey and Kevin Hart. He opens up about his turbulent life, revealing his homelessness experience after moving out at 13 and shares the financial challenges he faced in kickstarting his comedy career. Also, Katt recalls what lead to his famous outburst on Wanda Smith's radio show and how he found himself staring down the barrel of a gun afterwards. Amidst laughter and revelations, Katt Williams pays homage to Ice Cube, giving him the flowers Katt feels he's deserved for a long time. The conversation turns philanthropic as Kat discusses giving back and helping up-and-coming comedians financially after successful shows. Katt delves into personal aspects, explaining why he's never been married and addressing the situations involving Taraji P. Henson, Nick Cannon, Jonathan Majors, and Kanye West. Katt reflects on the comedy landscape of a bygone era, shedding light on the dynamics within the Kings of Comedy and their negative sentiments toward Bernie Mac. This episode is a rollercoaster of humor and unfiltered truths showcasing Katt Williams in a light that goes beyond the stage.   #volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The guy that's stopping by for conversation and a drink today. Ladies and gentlemen, you're gonna love him. Some call him the greatest, the greatest, one of the greatest comedians dead or alive. One of America's greatest entertainers. One of the funniest men on the planet. World renowned, multi-talented, a comedy legend. He's the top touring comedian selling out arenas. He's a hilarious storyteller, Emmy award-winning actor, voice actor, rapper, writer, producer, director, icon, genius, a national treasure, philanthropist, humanitarian, social activist,

a father, one of the great funny men of our generation and any generation, Mr. Cat Williams. Thank you, sir. That was magnificent. You are magnificent at intros and you did not skimp on mine. I appreciate it. Appreciate that. You know, anytime you come to club, Shay-Shay, we have to toast.

Bro, you've been doing it. I mean, you're one one of the top two, you're one of the top touring comedians of all time. You already got started before we started taping. I did. Appreciate that. Tell the people at home. I thought they was lying.

Yeah, this particular alcohol is stronger than you think it would be, probably by about two. And unbelievably smoother and milder by the same, maybe 30%, than you could possibly expect. And unlike cognacs the's The World Over, this one doesn't taste like wood at the end, and it doesn't taste like it's got artificial colors, and it doesn't taste like it's got artificial flavors. It's a fine product.

He's a connoisseur, you can tell. He's a Cognac connoisseur. He understands the method that goes into making cognac. Right, well as a comedian, you get free drinks at the club. So all comedians either turn out to be connoisseurs like myself or straight up and down alcoholics like 60% of Hollywood. Well thanks for stopping by the club.

I understand that you're very, very busy and for you to take time out of your busy schedule and stop in today. We really, really appreciate it here at Club Cheche. So thanks for stopping by. And I needed you to know why I came by. I need you to tell us why. People know I don't go everywhere. I'm not interested in talking to people unless it's like a Larry King or somebody of an amazing

ilk that I would actually want to go talk to in real life. I don't do it so I can sell product and I got things to sell, so let me come talk. You have a great product here and as a fan base, we love the attention that you spend on the guests. We love how much work you've done, how well you know them, how prepared you are. The same things that we liked about you in football.

You brought that on over to here, and that's why it resonates. And the reason I had to come is because you've made a safe place for the truth to be told. You know what I mean? Thank you. I appreciate that. And I have watched all of these lowbrow comedians come here and disrespect you in your face

and tell you straight up lies. I'm talking about things that have never been heard in all of Black Hollywood. They feel comfortable sitting here lying to you about it. You gonna sit there and record straight? Are you kidding me? You let Ricky Smiley sit here and you said out that mouth, you stole Friday after next, the one I was in? I wish all of America fumbled a bit when that happened.

And then he said some stuff that we haven't heard in 100 years in Hollywood. You ain't say nothing. This man told you he had Cat Williams' role. He was gonna be Money Mike. And Cat Williams was gonna be the Santa Claus. Now let's, three quick points. You mean in Hollywood they cast a five foot five

black Santa Claus that weigh 145 pounds? That's your story. Your story is the Ricky Smiley that couldn't even do curse words because he had a Christian fan base. He was gonna play the pimp. Why you didn't ask him why has he played a woman in more movies than he's played a man? Well I didn't know he was.

He shouldn't be able, you wouldn't let an athlete that been on steroids talk about one of the greats? Ricky Smiley can't act, cause Ricky Smiley can't act. He told you the story about when the movie came out, where did he say he watched it? At home, he wasn't even at the premiere. You telling this man, you stole that. Oh, so he could get his name in the same sentence

with a great one. It is sad. He was just that bitter when we were shooting it. He told everybody, this should have been my role. Everybody on the scene. Why do you think no cast member has ever said anything? He couldn't have played that role like you. I thought he was-

Sir, no one, why no, he was with KD? He beat up Terry Crews? Why nobody know this story? You talking about in Hollywood, they switched off roles. You take this and he, what? So Ricky Smiley knows this, and I don't know why he would lose a child and come on the air and start lying.

That's why people believe in rituals right there, is because, well, why would he lie? I don't know why liars lie, but I can tell you this. We auditioned in Los Angeles. Yes. I was audition number 201. 200 black comedians auditioned for the role of Money Mike with me. You're saying all 201 of us was auditioning and you had already had the role and had already shot the role in four days?

The truth of the matter is, the Money Mike in the original script got raped in the bathroom and that's what Ricky Smiley was okay with. Cat Williams had to take the risk in front of the studios and the cast and our powers that be in his very first movie and say respectfully, humbly, guys, if we're talking about anything else, I have no credibility and I have no pull. But we're talking about comedy, where I have all the credibility and all the pull.

The problem with Friday After Next is, we're trying to make a classic comedy. And this comedy involves a rape. And rape is never funny, no matter who it happens to, or what the circumstances are. If you would allow me to allow us to do this movie without a black man getting raped in it, I promise you that it will be twice as funny

as it would be with him getting raped. So considering that's the real story, why would you bring up that story? 35 members of the cast and crew have never brought up that Ricky Smiley was gonna play Money Mike. No one ever saw me put on a Santa Claus suit. We got a wardrobe department. They made a Santa Claus suit for me. Why that wasn't in the bloopers? And here's the other thing. everything that Money Mike said, Cat Williams wrote. So what Ricky Smiley say on his? You can't say my lines, I wrote them. That's how

I already know that I'm going to be funnier than you. What he told everybody was, Cat Williams, don't nobody know who he is? I'm on the radio. I'm with Steven said everybody know me That's what he told everybody that would listen to on the set. That's the truth of the matter He was so egregious not now then he was so egregious that and Hollywood has never heard this in a hundred years He was so egregious. I put in my contract that I won't work with Ricky smiley again unless he's in a dress Now what was Ricky smileiley's next movie? Was it First Sunday? Did he wear a dress in it?

You bet he did. It's in my contract. Why would you put that in your contract, Cat? That's where he's the unbelievable actor. Him and Tyler Perry can't play a man to say they life. They play good women and I believe that the best actor should be in the best role. So that's why because when we released that clip and he said that you responded because he said he was supposed to play Moneymine and you were supposed to play Santa Claus. An outright lie. That he knows is a lie.

So why would he say it? Because he's a liar. Nobody knows why liars lie. And that's why I had to come on the program. Cedric did the same thing. Cedric told you when you asked him, did you steal Kat Williams' joke? He said, it don't line up.

How it don't line up that I did it on TV in 2018. You came to see me at the Comedy Store, do it in 2019, and then did it on TV in 2018 you came to see me at the comedy store do it in 2019 and then did it on the Kings of Comedy like what doesn't line up I this is a televised joke that Mark Curry helped me punch up and get to the level that it was the same Steve that went to go watch Mark Curry do his whole sitcom and then stole everything Mark Curry had. Now Steve got a sitcom where he the principal and he wear a suit and he and then he gets

this high top fade making all black men think he got the best lineup in the business and it's a man unit. Then you ask it why you not a movie star? I didn't want to be a movie star. Just the same Negro that hated on Bernie with this same thing. I didn't want to be a movie star. No, you couldn't be a movie star.

There are 30,000 new scripts in Hollywood every year. Not one of them asked for a country bumpkin' black dude that can't talk good, Oba Kabe, and look like Mr. Potato Head. There ain't none. You would have to have a range. I Played a lot of characters 60 movie roles. I'm not playing cat Williams in there. I Don't know. I don't know cat. We might not let you drink anymore the way you you I mean we even got I'm not fueled by alcohol

I've had a sip less than you The truth don't need motivation. I'm just saying I can't let these dudes lie. Cedric sitting here telling you why he ain't a movie star. He over here look like a walrus. You didn't say nothing. He can't even get his arms off his stomach sitting over here. Why I'm not a movie star. What? We never wrote anything. Remember when Cedric the entertainer starts he's supposed to be singing, dancing, and telling jokes. That's why Cedric the Entertainer starts, he's supposed to be singing, dancing, and telling jokes. That's why he's called the entertainer.

We found out he can't sing, can't dance, and doesn't write jokes. He did four comedy specials. They're so bad, Shannon. They're not available on Netflix or Tubi. Can I say that again for the audience? They're so bad that they're not available on Netflix or Tubi.

You don't think Sam's a good comedian? The world doesn't think that, sir. I have 12 comedy specials. He has four specials that are not available on Netflix or Tubi. It seems to me, Kat, that you have a lot to get off your chest. No, no. You wanted to say the record straight. Winners are not allowed to allow losers to rewrite history.

I don't say any of these things if my name is not breached by these people on your platform. If you give a liar a platform to lie, then I'm not being messy by saying, hold on, that never happened, it's untrue, and there are hundreds of witnesses for each thing I'm saying. So let me ask you this. What is your relationship with Steve Harvey,

Ricky Smiley, and Sedgwick Diddy, as you sit here currently? They, for 30 years, they're a group. These aren't three random guys. The way that Ricky Smiley kept appearing at all of my auditions is because of Steven said he would tell anybody that, listen, they got a gang on that side. They know what it is. They know who the gang is.

Why Earthquake not in movies? Because he's illiterate. He can't read. And they found that out when they gave him a show and put the cards in front of him. Like all of these dudes are co-entwined and they share secrets and this is the age of truth and the truth doesn't need to be scared of the fact that people tell lies. Cats on drugs. where are the stories? Why is there no story of anybody

who ever sold a drug to me, did a drug with me, was around me when I was inebriated? I got five daughters, I got five sons. Why would we tell these ridiculous stories? Because it's competition. You feel like, well, why comedy guys can't just get along? Yes. Why didn't you get along with the other teams

you were competing against? If you were at Denver Bronco, why you don't get along with the Cowboys? Something wrong with you? But I don't disagree. I don't disagree. All the Cowboys, cat, damn, you like this? No.

What comedians do you like? Did you play against the team? Yes. I've taken 46 comedians do you like? Did you play against the team? Yes! I've taken 46 comedians with me on the road, 46. Okay. I'm not the comedian you can give that to. I only put on comedians that are funnier than me. Anybody that ever told you differently

was a fat Faison liar. There's nobody like me in the business because... Faison just got a straight. Faison said that getting a Netflix special is easy. I have 12 specials. Guess how many Faison got? Zero. Why is he allowed to have conversations

about real stand-up people? We do not let people who are on the juice discuss real athletes. That's all. As a journalist, that's all. That's all I'm saying. I don't harbor any resentment to any of these entities because I can't be jealous.

I've never seen them have anything that I ever wanted. If you sign up for they program, you get a light skin, weird face wife that never do an interview. Listen, in 20 years, won't do an interview, nobody's ever talked to her, and she's never been interviewed anywhere. And now, understand, I'm not talking about one person.

What I just told you applies to seven people. How they all end up with that. That's part of what you get. I came in this business saying I was going to expose. When I talked about Michael Jackson, when I talked about R. Kelly, they canceled me for these things because why would you talk about another black dude? Race is not where the line is drawn.

It's God's side and the other side. And we don't care nothing about the other side. Period. Period. All of these big deviants is all catching hell in 2024. It's up for all of them. It don't matter if you did it or whoever you is. TGJ, any of them, all lies will be exposed. That's all.

And anyone who takes that the wrong way know why they take it the wrong way. The truth is the light. And you have no one of these. Amen, amen. Gee. Hmm. I kind of am getting Amen, amen. Cheers. Mm. I kind of, I'm getting on there.

All right. After that, I don't really kind of know where to go. Let me, one more time. Mm. Right. We good now? Because the people want to know, why would he get black balls?

Yeah, I was gonna ask that. Because in 30 years years I've done nothing but collect information, knowledge, and your secrets. So if you and a man was in a corner doing something you wasn't supposed to be doing. You will tell it. No, somebody come to tell me. Okay.

I gather that, I value that. I'll pay for that. Come, tell me. I know so many things I shouldn't know, and they all know it. They all know it. Why? Because you don't make me the villain. Not the guy that raises black children

and they never done a hard drug in his life and don't have no stories of doing nobody dirty. And they'll just go out and they'll lie. The industry doesn't mess with Kat because he didn't show up for the studio. are doing nobody dirty and they'll just go out and they'll lie. The the industry doesn't mess with cat because he didn't show up for the studio. No studios have ever said that. Look at my IMDB. It will show you that no studio has ever lost money with me on the script. How? That's why I'm saying that's why I can't let Ricky Smiley say he was supposed to play Money Mike because I wrote the words

for Money Mike. I designed the words for Money Mike. I designed the hair for Money Mike. I collaborated with the wardrobe department and made outfits to make sure that no one in America would be wearing what Money Mike was wearing. I told them to go get the Prowler. I then told them to paint it purple. I told them don't have an actor at playing a pimp, we could get an actual pimp, Archbishop Magic Don Juan to play, like I did far too much work

for somebody to come years later and try to tag along just for their own self-angrandizement. Why didn't Cube set the record straight? Terry Crews could have set the record straight, Mike Epps could have set the record straight. Why none of them set the record straight? That's what you were supposed to ask him when he told you those lies that no one's ever heard.

But I didn't even want to lie. Right, but he's telling you something no one's ever heard of. Nobody has ever heard, oh, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon was in a movie, and somebody said, y'all should switch roles. Like, this is a business. But that's the thing, Cap.

Normally when people will give you information, I'm thinking I'm hearing it for the first time and they're giving information no one else knows or has ever heard. So I'm taking them at face value. These are like, this is like Steve Harvey telling people he used to be homeless. That's my story.

That's not his story. Steve Harvey was never homeless. When he, Mark Currie was touring with him 25 years ago, he was making $3,000 a show in cash and doing five shows a week. They just tell the stories. Thanks to my wife, I'm where I am. You said that about the first wife.

You forget that? You told us it was her. Then you went and married somebody else that think like a man. Like, what are you talking about? They just, they think they can rewrite history. Guy Torrey did a beautiful special about the Comedy Store in Fat Tuesday where he said that Steve and Cedric

and Kevin Hart and Tiffany Haddish came through there and made all lies. Steve and Cedric never performed at the Comedy Store at all. Tiffany was only seen at the Lab Factory in 15 years in Hollywood. No one in Hollywood has a memory of going to a sold-out Kevin Hart show. They're being a line for him ever getting a standing ovation

at any Comedy Club. He already had his deals when he got here. Have we heard of a comedian that came to L.A.? And in his first year in LA he had his own sitcom on network television and had his own movie called Soul Plane that he was leading? No, we've never heard of that before that person or since that person. What do you think a plant is? Maybe people don't understand the definitions of these words. He just did his documentary with Chris Rock,

where he shows you that his whole upbringing in comedy was on the East Coast. Yeah, it was. So how simultaneously was he here in Los Angeles doing the same thing? It didn't happen. It didn't happen. And I hate to seem like a petty individual for picking apart lies, but Jussie Smollett

going to keep lying until you say, we don't believe you. Like it's important in the checks and balances of the universe that liars not get to make complete narratives for themselves. Are you not afraid about being blackballed again? These are some powerful people. What do you mean again? These people are not powerful. Satan can't create anything.

That includes blessings for his people. That's why, you know what the number one job of somebody that sold their soul in Hollywood is? What? Is to act like it didn't happen. They all do the same job. Why do you think Gary Owen can't cross over and he already white and been in comedy for 25 years, if what I say ain't the case? It's a cabal. It's a consortium. They rock with who they rock

with and they don't with who they don't. But I'm not scared of being in the competition anymore than you were when you lined up across from a superior team. Yeah, on paper they're a better team. They have all the assets and resources and we don't. But let us get on the line, boy, boy, and see if that factors in. I guarantee you it won't. Wow. Because Shannon Sharp gotta be a different person than that other person.

Absolutely. And he always was. That doesn't change when I change teams. That remains the same. That's how a legacy is built. So all of these shortcut takers, they'd cancel me for talking about Harvey Weinstein before the thing came out

But he offered to suck my penis in front of all my people at my agency What am I supposed to do? He did all of that. I'm thinking I'm the only black person on the script. I get there It's three other black guys on there. Whoo Huh, so you wonder what they did? I told him no what y'all do And this is why when I walk in a room, heads go down. Behind my back, I'm nothing. I'm just a regular old comedian that's bitter and jealous.

But in my face, no, no, no. The king has walked in, and they have to respect it, only because I've not taken the shortcuts. I've not been funded. They pay you to not talk about things they don't want you to talk about. They tell you that themselves. I can't do that because Steve told you that he stopped doing stand up because he has seven TV shows.

The only problem is when he stopped stand up, he didn't have those seven TV shows. He stopped stand-up because he got in a comedy battle called the Championship of Stand-Up Comedy with one Cat Williams in Detroit in front of 10,000 people and lost because Cat Williams said he was actually bald and that was a wig. And I went in and that's why he couldn't do stand-up anymore. Imagine him coming to tell you another story where he got so big and it was Bernie and them's fault because they wanted to be movie stars. What? You called Ocean 11 to get that niggas part? What do you mean you didn't want to be a movie star? So on

the behalf of Bernie I would have to say what I have to say. Have you ever been on tour with any of these guys? Every guy I mention to you is not funny out there in real life. So no. Faison's never done his own tour in 30 years. Steve Harvey don't do stand-up no more. Cedric doesn't write. I'm sorry, he doesn't write.

Ricky Smiley has been playing the same old black woman forever. Like you can't get a young fan base with that. Like you got to be doing karaoke around the country to make that work. Right. And it is. But I'm a stand-up comedian. This is my 19th 100 City Tour. I'm not gonna have a conversation with these lazy bums that'll take a shortcut at any

point. Yes, it's easier for you to juice than to get in the gym. But you don't get to bring that body in here Talking crazy talk about how good you look What? No, no, there's too many comics out there that are putting their life on the line to tell these jokes, man Okay, let's get to your upbringing. We're gonna circle back and we'll get It was in 2018 2019, but did you mean 1999?

Because it came out in 2000, so I just wanna make sure. The Kings of Comedy. No, no, no. So what I meant to say was, remember, he said, I couldn't do standup anymore, I had seven TV shows. I said he didn't have any of those TV shows at the time. I know, you talking about Cedric.

Joke stealer from Cedric. Oh, okay, so. You have said that 2018, 2019, but it came out in 2000, so I just want to make sure you... Okay, no, no, no, no. No. What comes out in 2000? The original Kings of Comedy.

Right. My... I'm on BET's Comic View, and they're using this as the commercial in 1998. Okay. That's why I'm saying... Yeah, so if I're using this as the commercial in 1998. That's why I'm saying, yeah. So if I said the date's wrong, yeah. So.

Let's go ahead and clear that up. You said I had Cedric on here and I asked him about the jokes deal and he said the timeline doesn't add up. Correct. To that point you say. Right. timeline doesn't add up. To that point you say. Right, so he thought that I was just a no name comedian and that he could take this joke and nobody would know. The issue was that I had already done this particular joke

on BET's Comic View twice. It had done so well on BET's Comic View that they had made it part of the commercial So part of the commercial of make sure you tune in to BET Was you seeing me doing this joke? Right and this joke is one of those jokes in comedy where you set it up and it takes a little longer to set it Up takes about three minutes, but then you're just hitting them with jokes after that because you don't have to set it up, right? Mark Curry had already helped me work on this joke

because I thought it was good because I was getting a standing ovation on it. He had me go back in the lab and help me craft it to be an even more powerful joke. So this is not just a random joke. This is my very best joke, and it's my last joke, and it's my closing joke.

Okay. 1998, I'm doing this joke. it's on Comic View. Cedric comes to the comedy store, he watches me in the audience, he comes backstage, he tells me what a great job I did and how much he loves the joke. Two years later, he's doing that as his last joke on the Kings of Comedy and he's doing it verbatim.

He's just changed my car into a spaceship. Him and Steve had already apologized for me so I gave him a pass for a decade. Why would you sit here and be like, I talked to, I saw Kat 30 times. And Kat didn't do. As I stand before you, Shannon, I would have bust Cedric's stomach. There was nothing that would have kept me from one of these in that patch right there. Like, are you kidding me? Why would you downplay me like that?

Why did I give you a pass if you were just gonna lie? And so that's what I'm saying. Like, they're all a group. Cedric, Steve, Ricky, they've been a group. Everybody knows that. They've been aligned. And there are these alliances in comedy. And if you stand against them,

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com slash basketball terms. Let's get to your upbringing. Born in Cincinnati, Ohio, raised in Dayton, Ohio. What was Kent Williams upbringing like? Your parents were Jehovah Witness. You were a prodigy.

You were brilliant. You talked to me that you got accepted to college at seven years of age. You could read fluently at three years of age. So having that kind of knowledge, having that kind of prodigy. So what was, so I mean, what was your upbringing? How was it? How was life as Cat Williams coming up?

I was often confused because I knew things and I wasn't sure how I knew them. I knew things that I felt like I don't have a reason that I know this, but I loved to read. I was voracious because they told me when I was young that knowledge was powerful. That knowledge was power and I had studied powerful people and I really believed that. I immediately, my next project was to read the whole encyclopedia set. So when you're like six, seven years old, you read the whole encyclopedia set, you think you're one of the smartest people in the world. Only to get out in the world and find out you don't know anything.

So it was a confusing time, but yeah. I had a childhood. I was grown, but at five years old, I was in front of five, 10,000 people giving a performance with a full suit and tie on, you know what I mean? So it came full circle for my life. I knew that the applause and the giving of information

and laughs and truth to people somehow benefited them and also benefited you. So when they would ask me what I wanted to be, everything that I would say that I wanted to be was something that didn't exist, and they would never give me credit for it because I needed to say a doctor or a lawyer, but that's not what I wanted to be. So your parents weren't as supportive as you would have

hoped because you were wanting to be things when you got older that they had no knowledge of, or it didn't exist at the time? No, it wasn't that. It was, I'm saying I'm almost 100 years old right now, but if we go outside right now, I could run a 4-3-40 or a sub. I can do a 4-1-6 if I'm sure.

Oh, that's Jimmy John's across the street. We can order a sub. Oh, you've been on the submarine. That what you sub? So back then, it was even greater. So you got this guy that all the coaches want to play. Hey, Cass, don't do that. Hold on, because I'm five foot five in the fifth grade.

I've been this high my whole life. Like, there was a portion of school where I was one of the big dudes. Like, as soon as everybody caught they growth spurt, I was out of there. But I'm saying I was a competitive individual, my father was an athlete. Like, no, I've been 145 pounds my whole career.

That's why I never bothered when they said, you're cats on drugs. I knew, how you gonna prove that? I'm, my'm, I'm, my body is a temple. I've been the same size since I was 10. Like what do you, yeah, like I haven't, I haven't changed off this pivot foot.

This has always been who I was before standup or anything. But it was a, it was an interesting childhood. I, I appreciate my parents, even though I couldn't live within the religious frameworks of what they had set up. But that was more not wanting to live a double life and not want to embarrass my family. You know what I mean? Because I read where a form of punishment for you is that they would take books because

you mentioned you were such a voracious reader. And a form of punishment is when they would take the books for them because you could read fluently. You told me how at like three or four years old you could read, read, read, not just a little child's book, but you could read, read. Well I'm saying when we go to Haiti to do missionary work, understand that my mother and my father, nobody that's there with us speaks French. I mean, it speaks there with us speaks French.

It speaks Creole and reads French. So I'm in charge of everything, from the housing to the cars to the gardener. I'm not just reading, I'm reading in multiple languages. I'm probably reading 3,000 books a year from the time that I'm eight years old to the time that I'm 12. No fiction books at all. I'm only reading nonfiction. You could drive at 12, you received a full scholarship

to the National Science Academy in Dayton, Ohio, but you failed so you would become ineligible, why didn't you want to take that opportunity? I didn't see it as an opportunity. When I got in there, all the students were wearing lab coats and it seemed very confined and restricted and nobody seemed like they were having fun. It just seemed like everybody was smart. I didn't want that.

That wasn't what I was signing up for at all. And plus, I thought that I was... Jesus was my big homie. So you know how you get a story about a dude joined the gang and you get a big homie. Like, at this particular point in my life, my thought is that the Bible is the greatest book that's ever been written. That it houses the truth, and that it gives you this story of Jesus, and that I'm supposed to be like him. So it's already in my head that as soon as I get 13,

I'm leaving. You let, you let, at 13, you not only like, okay, mama, I'm moving out. You moved from Ohio to Florida on your own. You weren't afraid, I mean, you like, okay, mama, I'm moving out. You moved from Ohio to Florida on your own. You weren't afraid, I mean, you like, did you? Did you not have a, so what were you gonna do when you got to Florida? Don't say I wasn't afraid.

There's no such thing as a human being of not being afraid. There are certain human beings that understand that being afraid in no way stops you from doing what you gotta do. Okay. So I was afraid, but I couldn't be that afraid because I knew what had happened with Jesus. I knew how it worked out.

I knew that I wasn't in the wrong with how I was feeling and I knew that I didn't have any bad intentions in it. Right. So I trusted God that it will work out. Why Florida? Because if you're raised in Ohio, the one thing on your list is I'm gonna get away from snow. And I'm gonna get as far, I wanna, tell me the place. I literally went to a truck stop and I asked all the truck drivers where they was going.

And there was one guy going to California And it was one guy going to california and it was one guy going to florida And they told me how long it was going to take and so that's why I ended up in miami because How'd you get there? You caught a bus? No, I just told you I was at the truck stop I he let I got in I didn't hitchhike. I got in the back of the dude dudes 18 wheeler me and my rottweiler puppy and my suitcase Yeah, because I was I probably had $2,500 on me like I like I was shoveling snow and Cutting grass like I always have pockets full of money. When did you make the decision that you were gonna leave Ohio? And go somewhere and it ended up being Florida so but when did

you know that you were leaving Dayton, Ohio going to Florida? And my father and I's last interaction somebody could have not made it and we both understood that was all bad. What was the disagreement about? If you say that my family is very religious, let's just say I'm not. So anything that I'm going to do is gonna fall out of the guidelines.

But I'm not gonna let you tell me what I'm going to be. Even, especially if what you're saying is wrong. I can't condone wrong. And if I find out that something's wrong and I tell you it's wrong and you don't back me, that's what it is. Even as a young child, you were willing to tell your parents that some of the things that you're saying doesn't coincide with what I've been reading in the Bible.

No, no, very simply. Don't try to disfellowship me for sexual acts and I'm a virgin. Sorry, God, don't make mistakes. You don't get two times to fuck me over. What do you mean you went to God and he told you I was guilty? Just lied on God so long. That's it. There's no conversation deuces So that was that's when you made the decision after that conversation right there you say not can't I can't live under this room It wasn't a conversation. It was altercation in the altercation. I love my father. My father loved me

But we are two men at it that It'll never be the same again. You can't sleep comfortably around me And I can't sleep comfortably around you. How similar are you to your father? No, I don't know. He's a great man. I'm saying, mama. Because even if your butt hit your butted heads. Right, but I'm saying that generally happens with a father-son dynamic.

It was just that religious relationships are always difficult in families. They always are. Before it got to the point, because the dynamic, he's father, you're son. Before that dynamic and you step up on his level and you challenge him, you felt it was best for you to leave. No, no, no. I'm not being challenged, I'm being beat to death.

Oh, he was abusive. I didn't say that. I said we were in an altercation That's what you did I thought you did I thought you did that cat I thought you did you was an altercation you didn't say you lost you say you did altercation And in no way gave you the impression that I won anything I'm the one leaving I'm out of bounds. This is house, right? Yeah So as long as I'm gonna be under his roof You say there are certain things that I'm gonna have to do right and the only way that's gonna change

Is either this more than and I I'm saying I had two younger brothers like I'm not I'm not an unreasonable person like I don't have any mental issues whatsoever despite what they lead people to believe you know I make good pretty good decisions. Were you not so how was their relationship with your father were you not afraid to leave them? Well I asked asked because it went all the way to the actual department.

So it was actually going to be something and when I asked them if they could just make sure that my brothers didn't get separated and what have you, they said they couldn't make those type of guarantees that they weren't really sure what would happen if this went down. And so part of leaving was the hope that it would be okay for them.

Because none of them experienced what I experienced. I'm saying I'm the oldest, it's a lot riding on me. I'm supposed to at least religiously hold down the family's name at this household, you know what I mean? How much older are you than the baby and the knee baby? Like a lot older, like if I'm... 12, 13. Yeah, they're five.

And... In Pampers. Wow. You go to Florida, you tell the story, I've heard you were homeless, and somebody else told the story, said they were homeless, and you said they hijacked your story.

Now I don't, hey, I don't. At 13, I shouldn't have to tell you I'm homeless. I'm in Miami, Florida. I have no family members in Florida. I couldn't buy a house if I wanted to. I couldn't get an apartment if I wanted to. I don't have a credit history. Like, this is not a stretch for me to say that I'm homeless.

I'm living in a park in Coconut Grove. The park still exists to this day. For eight hours a day, I would get up and go to the library and study for eight hours a day to increase my education. And then I would leave out of there and go to the marina and steal car radios and make $2,000 almost daily. Like I had a routine. So you really could have played that Santa old Thief in Santa Claus, you could have played it. No, the Santa Claus wasn't a thief.

The Santa Claus, you can't tell me, I read the script. Ricky Smiley told you he didn't read the script. The Santa Claus was a crackhead. He just had that outfit on. That's what I couldn't have played. Okay. Like I couldn't have played a black guy that got raped in the bathroom.

Right. So at any point in time, you're like, man, I made a mistake, man, I should have stayed my butt in Ohio, man, cause this is, man, this ain't what I signed up for. I didn't experience anything once I left home that I hadn't signed up for. If anything, it saved my life.

Me being homeless for that small period of time allowed me to see all of the people that were in that situation and to see that these were lawyers and doctors and teachers and that these people were white and black and Asian and Indian. And the only thing that all of these homeless people had in common was they made a bad decision and aligned themselves with drugs. And I interviewed them all. What drug? And guess what, Shannon?

Nobody had a great story. Nobody had a great story of what meth had done for them, what crack had done for them, what cocaine had done for them, what heroin had done for them, what speed had done for them. Nobody had them stories. Everybody's story was I had my life together

and then I decided to do this dumb thing. And I lost my wife, I lost my house And I lost my wife, I lost my house, I lost my cars, I lost my reputation, and I'm now out here sucking penis in the woods. What? Talk about scared straight. You ain't got to worry about me. If it ain't weed or nicotine, you won't see me touching it. I don't want no parts. I done seen what these things can do to people.

Anything that take over your free will is the devil itself. Have you ever thought about what your life would have been had you stayed in Dayton, Ohio? No. That's like asking somebody that's in the NBA for 14 years, like, what would have happened if you didn't come to the NBA? Well, I shudder to think. I thought it was what I was made for.

I thought it was what I was built for. Anybody that knows me will tell you that when they first met Cat Williams, when I was cat in the hat, and they tell these stories about how he changed his name. Look, the truth of the matter is Disney sued me. Yeah, I was Cat in the Hat. They sent me a cease and desist letter, and I'm not even making $25,000 a year. And the mega company Disney has sent me a cease and desist

telling me I can't use any variations of that name. Fine. I'm Cat Williams. That's all that happens. I have been this same product the entire time. They will tell you when they first saw me doing stand up, I was just like this. This is what I bring. This is my style. When did you know you was going, were you always funny? Did you always want to be a comedian? Did you stumble on a comedianship?

No, I loved what they did. And so I studied them, all of them. I studied all of the white comedians because I wanted to know why is Monty Python funny? Why is Don not so talented? I wanted to know what is George Carlin's thing? So I studied all of the comedy masters regardless of the field because I loved to laugh.

I didn't know that these people were making a great living at doing this. I thought this is just what they did. They tell jokes. They're funny people. But I loved the craft. And that's why when I got into the craft, I thought it was my obligation to make sure that I kept writing new material so much that it forced these comedians to stop doing the

set they've been doing for 10 years and keep writing some new stuff. And I knew that if I could get that to take on, that most of these bums would have to just quit comedy because they can't keep up. They're not gonna keep writing an hour worth of material. I've written an hour worth of material 19 times. They're not gonna do it, why?

Because they're not creative writers. They want to get somebody else to have them write it and put it together. So if I'm listening to you correct, correct me if I'm wrong, I think the best thing that ever happened was the internet. Because now they have to. Because normally, like you said, you could do a set, and you do that set in Kansas City, people ain't heard it in San Francisco, people ain't heard it in Miami,

they ain't heard it in Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta, so forth and so on. Now you do a set, it's on the internet. Somebody heard it. So you can't do a set and make it last three months, four months. Well, it doesn't allow the regular comic the ability to grow is the real problem. Like the part of comedy is me taking these jokes in January and by March I've begun

to craft this joke. It's not as simple as it was. When I wrote it, it was just da da da da da But now it has the complexities of the fact that I'm having to deliver this to an East Coast audience a down-south audience a Midwest audience a Utah audience a Colorado audience and so it begins to take on a different Complexion because you're having to deliver it to different people. And so this is what sharpens your joke. You then take those sharpened jokes that make us special.

Not you just randomly take some. So it's a process. You don't allow them the process if the first time the guy did the joke, now that's his joke and the joke is everywhere. That just sets it up for people to steal. So how many times must you tell a joke before you master it? How many times have you had to sleep with a woman

before you're done with her? That's not fair. If it's great, never. That's not fair. If it's great, never. If it ceases to have usefulness, so it has been spoken. Right. I read that you was raised in Florida. You had some help, some ladies of the night. No, no, no. That's not true. No, that whole story doesn't take place in Florida. That story takes place in Oklahoma City. Okay, so after I'm in Florida, I then join. I tried to join the Marine Corps and it won't accept me

because I'm too young and I've lied and told him I'm 16 and my family's moving down and I don't have my ID, but it's coming. And so they let me go to the boot camp. That's not gonna work now. Okay, so I've learned that lesson. So then I get this job selling stuff door to door across the country. And so I've been to all 50 states.

Again, I'm 13, 14 years old. So I did that. While I'm doing that, one of the places I'm at, I'm in Oklahoma, and I've decided I'm going to stay here because of meeting these ladies that you're talking about and that situation. I don't know at the time why that's important in my life or why it's something I should be doing or any of that.

But now later on, it certainly helps me in formulating Money Mike for Friday After Next and Pimp Named Slickback for the Boondocks. San Francisco, Oklahoma, Sacramento. From Florida you moved to the West Coast. So you're traveling. When did you set up shop on the West Coast? How old were you then? So I guess I'm 18 or younger. And once I have a child, I realize that I can't, it's a lot of things that I could use to make money that now is a no-go.

So anything with street aspirations that I might have thought about pursuing or been good at, I now am a single parent and I gotta redo this thing. So I need comedy to really work out for me and me and God go into extreme conversation where I'm explaining to him that I'm a crash out dummy if he don't send me a lifeline, like I need something I can hold on to.

Before I left Florida, I did stand up one time, because we was trying to get in the club, I didn't have ID, so I said I was a comedian, they ended up having me do five minutes. I kept that in my head that I had done that. When we get to Oklahoma, they're having a competition for stand-up. And if you win, you get to go out on the road with Jeff Foxworthy and Dan Whitney, who was Larry the Cable Guy, and Richard Jeni, and these great comics,

you get to open for them. And once I did that, I realized, okay, as a comedian, I'm like way behind schedule. I done started this too late. All the funny guys are already funny and known names. Like, how am I gonna progress? So I realized that I do better with a white audience than I do with a black audience,

and I'm not sure why that's occurring, but the white audience likes me more. That's interesting. So when I moved to Sacramento, it's because Sacramento has a white and a black audience almost 50-50, that's almost the makeup of Sacramento. So I live in Sacramento for two years until I get to the point where I am equally as funny

if the room is black as I am if the room is white. That's not enough. Now I need to be one of the good ones when it comes to black comics. So now I have to move to Oakland, and that's what lands me in Oakland for three years. Once I have dominated male black comedy in Oakland, to my liking, now I'm prepared to go to Los Angeles now.

Now I know you can't throw me any curveballs if it's a white audience if it's a black audience No matter what they are. I'm prepared to deal with all of the audiences Do you write jokes according to the audience that you're gonna be in front of or your joke universal? Well in the beginning I Part of my framework is that I'm tailoring every show to this audience. And that's how I was able to show my range and show that I was better than my competitors, is that I'm Cat Williams, but I was still doing clean comedy. So I was still going to churches and doing 45 minutes of stand up at the church with no

curse words, no sex drug material, no none of that, just straight stand up. And then I was doing everything else. And I- And the regular club. Yeah, that was the range is that when in Rome, do as the Romans do. So that's how I started. But as you begin to get better, you begin to be able to speak to your entire fan base. And that's really what's been helpful is that I've been having the same conversation with my fan base. What's going on everybody? This is Justin Penick from

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Is that what set Cap Williams apart? Is your range? Is that you can do a comedy, do 45 minutes in the church? I can go to a comedy club in front of 250 or I can go into a arena with 15,000. That's range, because everybody can't do that, Cap. Well, if that's what range is called, then yeah, it's range, but I like the people I'm talking to. You see what I'm saying? So it's not like, it can't be condescending

because I'm talking to my white male friend when I'm telling that white joke. When I'm talking about this joke about this black lady, I know that black lady, that's who I'm talking to. I'm speaking to this fan base that I've been speaking to from the beginning. I already told them what I was on when I first came in. I told them they was gonna come after me. They was gonna cast me.

They was gonna say terrible things about me and try to mess my life up. I said that coming in to stand up. I'm saying it in my life. So you knew what it was gonna be? It has to be. I know I'm going into the belly of the beast. How could I be naive?

I know that I'm going into Satan's playground, but I'm trying to be so good that you gotta bring me in so close that I can see who's doing what and what's going on in there. In San Francisco, you joined the nation. I was ever in San Francisco. I was in Oakland. You was in Oakland.

Did you join the nation? Is that? Yeah, minister, honorable minister Farrakhan and I have an extremely close relationship. He refers to me as one of his sons. So yeah, I spent a particular period of time. Let me explain. Yes.

Because my particular background was already religious and super strict, right? I didn't find out about other religions by reading about them. I went to their religion. I don't want to learn from Jewish people from outside. I want to be in the synagogue. I don't want to learn about Muslim people from... I want to be in the synagogue. I don't want to learn about Muslim people from, I want to be in the mosque. I don't want to hear about the Baptist or the Pentecostal.

I want to go to their church and see. And so that was the religious discovery that I was on through that period in my life. When did you know you were funny? Probably about 10 years ago. 10 years ago? Yeah, about 10 years ago. So you didn't think as a child, because obviously you said the very structured background, your family was very religious, so obviously you didn't get an opportunity.

And I mean what? Yeah, like I never did a talent show. I was never in any extra curricular activities. I was never in drama. I was never in band camp. I was never a boy scout. And you didn't stay in school long enough to get funny because you dropped.

You understand. You understand. So there was no, like I don't, I don't tolerate high school games. I didn't go to high school. I don't know how most of the games they think I play. I'm not even aware of them. But, Cab, for you to get on stage,

and like I said, a lot of people, like a lot of comedians that I had, a few here, they're like, okay, you know, I told Joe to get girls. I told Joe to get people to laugh at someone else. But you, it's like, you say you did comedy one time in Florida. And you had this other opportunity in Oklahoma that they were gonna take you out of you,

won the talent show, you was gonna go on the road with these well-known comedians. And I did. But I'm just saying how in Florida, at 13, 14 years of age, you're like, 16, I can do that. Well, because I knew that there were a lot of other things I could do. Like when I looked at drug dealers,

I thought I could do that. Yeah. But that's easy. So, right, and who doesn't like that? Right. Huh? I'm trying to figure out how I'ma make it. But now that I gotta do it on this side,

but no, your question was when did I think I was funny? I never was my biggest fan. To this day, I'm not the biggest fan. I'm a fan of comedy. I like great comedians. Like, I like Chappelle. I like Patrice O'Neal. Like, I like the greats of comedy because I do.

Like, I like Ron White. I like Bill Inbaugh. I know comics. People that did the craft, they raised me. I was touring with Steve Marmel and Richard Jenney and real journeymen. So my comedy upbringing was standard. I thought you had to work all night every night all around the country and you had to write jokes and that you were trying to write jokes that other people weren't

writing and that your job was to be funnier. People that know me will tell you I've been on this. I had a list of all the black comedians that were more famous than me. There was 300 of them on the list and I had to be able to cross them all out before I could make it to the next level, before I felt like I was funny enough to do that. And so I appreciate what competition does for sports, and for my particular sport, and comedy is a sport. What gave you the comedies that you could get on stage?

You remember, I was five years old on stage. Okay. So performing in front of people was no problem. But I was reiterating God's word at that point. Now, I just have to make sure that the content is good. If the content is good, what part can I not do? I'm a vessel. He's given me these gifts to be able to do certain things.

So I just want to utilize them in my craft. That's all. Do you remember your first set? Mm-hmm. How long, five, 10 minutes? No, no. I think three minutes. Three minutes. Yeah.

Standing ovation, booze, some applause, some jeers. No, none of that. They applauded like I was a professional at it. But now looking back, I understand. Because you gotta understand, they were all thinking, he don't even look old enough to be in here. And we don't have any black guys that live in this town. Right.

Where did he come from? And then he gets up there, and for three minutes, he talks about the fact that he is the entire black community. Right. He is as disappointed in them. It looked like they looking for where the rest of them is. And so is he. And that was his set.

But I understood from that point that the truth is really the commodity and the fact that we are all individuals and all separate and all our own islands but not in real life. In real life it's only five or six different types of people and you're gonna see them everywhere that you go. And all, like all my enemies all look the same in the eyes whether it's Faison, Wanda, Aries, Spir, they all look like-

Man, what did you gotta give Wanda Sykes? You think I don't remember that- Sir, Wanda Sykes and Wanda Smith are two separate people. I mean Wanda Smith, Wanda Smith. And I had only said one name, sir. Wanda Sykes is amazing. I love Wanda. And I agree.

I love Wanda, that's my girl. But I I remember on the radio you went on a radio interview if I'm not mistaken that's in Atlanta, right? And you came on there with seemingly good intentions and she attacked you It wasn't just that part. It was the fact that before I go in there she has a conversation about okay now I Just want to talk to you because you just wanted Emmy for the city of Atlanta, and this is in Atlanta, and they just want to hear about the Emmy and hear from you, and to thank you for what you did,

putting the city on. And we won't talk about your kids, we won't talk about jail, no cases, we ain't gonna talk about none of that. And immediately gets in there and goes the opposite way. You can't flip up on me because you're an inferior comedian. I'm going to destroy you and I'm never gonna call you out of your name.

I'm never gonna say anything disrespectful to people that look like you. It's a very thin line, I got a call, but this lady is trying to embarrass me in front of a largely homosexual fan base. That's why she got canceled. Gay people don't take it kindly that you, as a derogatory, call me gay. Gay people don't feel like it's derogatory.

So why are you trying to shame me with something in a community I don't even belong in? There's no gay people saying I belong over there or been over there. But I have no hatred of over there and how dare you? You did a number on her though. Hey. You did a number on her, that's legendary. No, you either believe in karma or you don't.

Because I didn't even know any of the stuff that she had done to my fellow comedians until afterwards. I just know she, that it was a setup. And remember, they tried to kill me this same weekend, not in jokes, with a real gun in my real face, on real camera, understand I'm losing my life for participating in something that goes along with my job.

Like, this two comedians, what do you mean? And the world was okay with it because it was me. Had that happened to anyone else, the world went crazy when Will smacked Chris. This is a person pulling a whole gun on a comedian in the Confines of their job. It's really a weird situation When they hate you that bad. Yeah. Yeah You felt she hated you at that moment because you mentioned that she said it was gonna be very professional Oh, you want to end me? Congratulations. You put the city on you own for the city Yada yada yada and I would? Congratulations. You put the city on. You own for the city.

Yada, yada, yada. And did she mention anything about the Emmy on camera? I believe you saw the video, and you know that none of that took place. See, the issue is that all the comedians have to come do these radio stations because you have to sell your tickets. And so that means you have to go to the radio station. Yes.

I don't go to the radio station. I don't make posts to sell tickets. I just don't. So you've not seen me. I'm not here in some subservient position where somebody sent me over. You here out of the kindness of your heart, you are. No, no, I'm saying in the interview situation. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, and this person knew I wasn't there for that. But why hard? Because you have to understand, she is a female, and so you have to be careful. You have to have her with kid gloves. Sir, sir. You wanna go ahead and take that out? You don't wanna be against equality, do you?

No, no. What you just said was very unequal, sir. I think maybe you've had enough of this. Because I think I just heard you say you tell women are not equal and should be treated unequally I they want to be treated as a comedian. No, no, they want listen you understand and I understand Yeah in certain situations, they want to be treated equal not all situations and And what part of what you saw her get?

Oh, she deserved everything you gave her. No, no, no. What part would have been different if she was a man? It would have just been more vicious. Yeah, that's my point. That's my point. I took all the vicious and minimal way because I didn't have any. Plus, I understood I'm not trying to offend black women with short hair. I'm not trying to offend heavyset women.

I'm not trying to upset fellow comedians. I'm not trying to do any of that and I can't, I am qualified to be able to do none of that and still eviscerate you because I'm smart enough to know that I need to say that you have gnarled fingers because I know your limited education means you don't know what the word means. So you can't possibly respond to it.

You're not sure of the meaning. And I'm going to continue hitting you because this is what comedians do. You've been masquerading that you're a comedian too. And that's the fallacy. So nobody in boxing fights out of their weight class. If you're a 130 pounder, you don't just show up with the 160 pounders. You stay in your weight class.

Is that what you wanted to do? No. That she was out of her league when it came to because I didn't want to do any of it. I know you didn't want to do any of it I know you didn't know what she took it there. You did you feel that you had to go there? Oh You know where you could say Wanda I didn't come here for that. I just want to do the interview I just want to talk about what happened. Oh, you misunderstand my job. My job is to be funny My job is to be funny first My first job is to be funny. My second job is to be funny first. My first job is to be funny.

My second job is to be respectful. My third job is to be immaculate and Gaza strip it. That's non-political. I'm saying, if you do it, you let a terrorist accidentally touch over here and I won't stop burning you down until there ain't nothing left. It'll literally be rubble on top of rubble and I'll still be bombing. Why?

Because that's why you should mind your business. This is what F around and find out is about. Right. Have you ever been booed, Kat? Um, yes. Yeah, I have. What was that feeling like? Did it like, wanna give up?

Cause we don't, I mean, because when you have, I mean, I don't know how early it was in Your career obviously hadn't been in the I don't think it's in the last decade because you've been immaculate Have you ever dropped a pass I have I've been booed to you know the little segment between Everything is fine, and I got it, and then you noticing where it is now? Yeah, it's that.

The thing about as a comedian, the audience's opinion is the only opinion that matters, not you the writer, not none of that and so I don't think any comedian has ever been booed unnecessarily either oh yeah I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying what what do they say when a guy shoots the airball in the NBA they say airball to make sure everybody knows. But again, he still gotta get back on D. Like the game didn't end, he don't get to throw his hands up and sulk. That's supposed to be used as a learning experience.

Most comedians don't get booed enough. I mean, this is how you end up with a Michael Blackson who's a real African doing a fake African accent. Okay, move don't This guy's mad at me. All I did was give him the best advice of his life Remember he was wearing dirty this sheet and I told him he needed to dress To be in the position that he's trying to say that he's in and if you're the African king of comedy, sir There's actually comedians in Africa doing comedy If you gonna say that, you gotta go to Africa

and get a school, dude. Everybody got, you gotta put in some work. And these guys, they take my advice, they change their whole persona, and then they hate me for it. And generally, I'm just too big to comment or make a statement about it or do a live or any of that. But when it gets to be a whole grouping of these guys, I got to come and talk to Shannon.

I got to lay it down at the altar. You know every comedian. This is the other side of Kirk Franklin print. This is the reckoning. 2024. The reckoning. You know every comedian that's been on my show, you know, you watched every episode. That's not what you said. You said I know every comedian. You know every comedian. You're limiting me. Oh, you watch every episode because you know things. You know things. That's always where I'm trying to come from,

whether it's comedic or otherwise. That's why even if you see me get arrested 10 times in a row on TV, as a fan of mine, you can be like, he's going to be right out. Yeah, but they just said, he didn't do it. He couldn't have, it's stupid. Why would he do something stupid knowing he got to come back and talk to us? Nah, they respect that every time it happens,

I'm gonna be free as a bird, sitting out here talking to you about it, that it really was what I said it was that's all You end up you come down you're in LA. Yeah now I'm reading Cat Williams won Cedric the entertainers and has a bush best best Los Angeles comic award Did you win that award won cat Williams? Angeles comic award

Did you win that award won cat Williams? Is a simple yes or no, it's not a rhetorical question It's a question that probably should have been asked to said your day entertainer. I'm asking you I got you here though I know I can't believe center didn't get asked that question You still a dude's joking to give her no award and then take your way on another body Tell a dude's joker to give him an award and then take him and lay you on another body. Hey, but I promise you this. What? If he sees me again before he sees you, he'll be talking different when you see it. That's for certain.

That's the difference. That's what these comics understand is that I'm not doing nothing for clout. I don't even recognize clout. But eventually the Lord is going to let me and you be in one hallway. A lot of these dudes go, Kevin Hart done went 25 years without ever being in the same building with me at the same time. If I go in the building, he walk out. You've never seen us in the same building with me at the same time. If I go in the building, he walk out, you've never seen us in the same building ever in 25 years.

Like, it's like that. Why? Why? Because I'm really the product. It's not what you think. I am never under the influence of anything. I'm always in my right mind. I'm always a physical specimen. And when you see me, I'm much,

much bigger than you had thought. I have far less play in me than you would like. And I'm relentless. I'm out there. I'm still to this day, I play 11 games of basketball with a 20 year old. The record is 92 and six. This is just in the yard, just to the rack, just cause. You work out here, I mean, you work out here? Not to the gym. You don't work out in the gym? You push ups, sit ups? My whole life it was just push ups and sit ups only.

I would do like 100 push-ups a day. I thought you were going to say 1,000. No, no, no. Because this is literally every day. This is not for the gram. You know what I mean? Literally 100 a day. And I would do push-ups.

And then I tore both my rotator cuffs. And so it was only thanks to golf that I was even able to get my golf in that I've been a golfer for quite some time my short game is impeccable I I can't get you but but to and some change off of the tee off the tee but I'm still I'm still coming in for par guarantee you playing for the tips? No, I've found that you don't get anything for that. It seems like, it seems very egomaniacal. They go, hey, Kat, for free you can go further back. Hey, what? Wait a minute, does it still count the same? Hey, I'm up at the ladies' tee. Don't tell me my pronouns. On the golf course, I'm she, her, him, them, and they.

Whoever, whoever the front tee. I know we're joking. We're having a great conversation. But you did win the award. How did the award help your career? It had to help something, Kat. Nope. No.

Come on, Kat. I didn't remember it. It happened to help something, cat. Nope. No. Come on, cat. I didn't remember it had happened to you, just said it. How can Cedric give you an award that was worth something? Everything Cedric and Ricky Smiley ever been in got canceled for not being funny. Ricky sat here and told you that. They cut him out of every movie he did. They always had a reason.

Like. cut him out of every movie he did, they always had a reason. Like, That's why I'm funny, because I'm a happy person. I laugh all day long. I can't even imagine the misery of these bumps. Doesn't that mean you did what you do, not work hard at what you do, but have to act like you the best at what you do not work hard at what you do But have that like you the best that what you do. It is crazy It's great, but they be touring they they be doing like a hundred shows a year. That's me

I'll run into none of them That's what I'm saying if you a phase I love fan you mean you've been a fan of him for 32 years You still waiting on him to do his first special? You mean to tell me if Steve Harvey, your favorite comedian, you mean you've been waiting for him to do stand-up for 15 years now? I mean Steve got a lot of other... DL's still out there. None of those irons matter to stand up. Who cares that they wrote a placard for you to do Family Feud on? Like, you're successful because we're surprised you can talk for a living and it's entertaining

that you're gonna say some funny country things. But not a writer. Right. Not a writer. How did you develop Money Mike and get it, I mean, everybody talks about Money Mike. How? How did you come up Money might and get it. I mean that I mean everybody money might is how how do you come up with that and says? You know what? This is how you should dress. This is how you should talk. This is how you should look This is the kind of whip you should ride. This is how we should talk

So if you'll remember that that was my first movie, just understand that what I did then, I've done with every single role, whether it was an Emmy winning role or whether it wasn't, whether I was playing somebody homeless, whether I was playing a dirty vagabond on Atlanta, whether it was an eccentric guy on First Sunday, regardless of what the role is, the first thing I do is erase me from it.

So anything that I would naturally do, that's what I'm not gonna do, because I'm playing a different character. You're playing a different character. Right. So I then create this person based upon real life circumstances. So I don't have to wonder what a pimp thinks,

because I've been in that position for a little while. I also worked manual labor for some time in my life, so I don't have a problem paying somebody that works. I don't have a problem being a go-getter, because I'm a go-getter. So I bring whatever I can to these characters. able to, the first week that I got the script there was a pimp guy that used to be a pimp but he wasn't anymore, he was a rapper now and his name was Mac Minister and he had been a pimp and was going to be a rapper and I had never done a movie before. I was a standup and I'm getting ready to do the movie.

And so I was able to craft what a real pimp was like, what was too much. I didn't want to be stereotypical. I did the research, I saw how many times people played pimp and they were always, it was always something weird about them, I guess, because it's a weird job. You know what I mean? And I wanted somebody that didn't seem like none of that,

that he really thought it was a business and treated it like that. And so, you know, adding those levels to acting is what all actors do if they're not Steve or Cedric or Ricky. Like, you're trying to create a character you don't you can't just be faze on in every movie like you're just gonna take your shirt off on every movie like why does it say that in your script? Man let big worm live let him

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No, I ain't got no allegiance to the man, but you gotta admit the role that he played, big one, I mean big perm in Friday night, you gotta give him credit for the role now, come on now. Let me ask you a question. Yes. If what you're saying is correct, why wasn't he in next Friday or Friday after next? I mean his role, I mean. It wasn't good.

Sorry. There was a lot of people that didn't, that appeared in the first one that weren't in the second one. Kat? I'm just telling you why. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that it's a, that it's a newsflash that there are reasons for things in a business. Yes.

Oh, okay. Well, would you, why would you, why did you bench D-Lo? He had two points. What are you talking about? Shut up. But I like him. Nobody cares about that. That's. What are you talking about? Shut up. But I like him.

Nobody cares about that. That's not what we're talking about. These are business conversations that deal with businessmen. Right. Right. When you're good at something, you should progress. The guys that are not as good,

they should fall down by the wayside. That's natural. There were the, so you believe if your talent doesn't support it, you should fall by the wayside, that's natural. There were the, so you believe if your talent doesn't support it, you should fall by the wayside and the guys that have the talent and they get elevated, they should move. No, that's what water says.

That's what the universe say, the universe say the levels. No, not I say, who am I? I'm nobody. But I'm working every day as if I think that's what should happen, is how it should be. And I'm choosing comedians that also write and work hard and don't steal other people's material and I'm making sure that they all make $300,000 a season and I'm making sure that they're not ever signed to me or my conglomerate and that's why they're successful No, you can work with me and still be an independent business man boss owner like you came in

But I don't need you to be subservient to me. That's those other guys that make you pay dues You said earlier that you rewrote a lot of what Money Mike was to say and how he behaved. So they allowed you the freedom, the liberty to ad lib. How much would they allow you to just make an interception if they don't like talk about it? As a football player, if the ball come your way, can you just grab it? Can you make an interception anytime? Are you allowed to pick up any fumble?

You can do any hustling, right? Oh, okay, same here. Same here. But here's the thing though. Even as an offensive player, they might let me ad-lib once I get a couple of years into my breath. They wouldn't let me ad-lib as a rookie.

That was your first movie. I told you the conversation in my first movie just because I am committed to laughs. The only way I made it past those 300 comedians, I didn't tell you this. What it required is I had to watch all 300 comedians 10 times a piece. I watched your set 10 times of you performing

whoever you were, and then I counted how many laughs you got every time you were, and then I counted how many laughs you got every time you did these amount of minutes. So if you told me this comedian and told me he did 30 minutes, I could tell you that he got 26 laughs in that 30 minutes because I had done the numbers on everybody. So I didn't just say I was funnier,

I knew I was funnier than the comic you liked, and I could tell you how many jokes funnier I was, because that's how we judge stand-up. You do 15 minutes, I do 15 minutes. How do I know I'm funnier than you? Because you got six laughs, and I got 16. I'm almost three times better than you,-key boy boy but I'm never gonna tell you the formula so you gonna keep just going out there telling jokes not

understand it that I psychologically the audience by 10 years is convinced that I'm funnier than you they just don't know why. Cause I'm putting out more content, better. I had Terry Crews on here. He said at the time that you did the movie, you were homeless. Is that true? This was my situation. I,

This was my situation. I... Five months prior to me getting this first audition for Friday After Next, I got this baby son. I'm holding him up above me. He grabs my little chain. He's playing with it, and he accidentally drops it. It breaks out my front two teeth. I'm in a situation now where when I go to the dentist,

they telling me this gonna cost thousands and thousands of dollars to fix this right. They not telling me what it's gonna look like. I go get an estimate with no money involved, find out what I need to do. They find out you got a tumor in your upper jaw, so we gonna have to do a whole surgery for you. It's gonna be a hundred bands. I don to have to do a whole surgery for you.

It's going to be a hundred bands. I don't have it. I don't have it. And I'm only going to have this check from this movie. So while I'm doing this movie, we live in this trailer. This is where we live. So when they come to work at five in the morning, we are ready to hear. When they leave at night, we're still there. We just double back because we

understood that this is our one opportunity and we have this opportunity to change our lives just like a young man going for the draft. We can actually get in the league with this. There are 30 comedians on this cast. They're all magnificent. This is the holy grail of the situation. So yeah, I was able to make sure that, because it wasn't just my first movie, it was K.D. Aubert's first movie. It was Terry Crew's first movie.

I was the leader of this group, which meant that we didn't do their rehearsals, they did rehearsal. We did our own rehearsals daily to make sure that we were at the level of professional actors, which is what made us so egregious, that guy. Say, I was supposed to, you was supposed to what? Can't he did have a good part in the movie man? Santa Claus was funny man.

The dude said the entire time we were filming I can't play this role. They got a bandana over my nose and my mouth. My family not even gonna know who this is. So yeah, tell your story. Terry Crews also said that you guys had a lot of conversation that this was your opportunity and you needed to seize this moment. Terry had the benefit of having been in some very high profile situations already and took

L's. Like he had been in the league, you know what I mean? He had done pro wrestling, he had done a lot of things, he had been televised and some things that hadn't worked. And this was just fortuitous for him. And now you know what nobody has ever said in the whole industry in 20 years about the whole money might not getting raped in the bathroom.

So I understood going in that there's no reason. I lost every, for a five year period, every single movie that Kevin Hart did was a movie that had been on my desk, that all I had said was, just, can we take some of this step and fetch this shit out, and then I can do it? Like, it don't need to be overtly homosexual, because I'm not homosexual, right? It doesn't need that to be funny, right? And me saying that, and them going, oh yeah, no problem.

And then going to give it to this other guy and having him do it just like it was and acting like I'm a bad person because I keep standing on my standard. But yeah, it's interesting, but I wouldn't change it for the world. Like, again, I'm on the winning side of these decisions. You know, look, I've had Cube, I've talked to Cube,

and a lot of people say Cube doesn't pay. What's your relationship with Cube and what did that opportunity mean for you? Well, the ungrateful bastards that would say anything about Cube's payment, you shouldn't even talk to them anymore. Like you don't go to Goodwill, you don't go to a Goodwill thrift store and go, look at all this cheap ass shit.

Why don't you shut up? Why don't you shut up? You could have went to Hermes, why you didn't go to Balenciaga? Why you didn't get a vote of the ball main you want to have that conversation? What you mean the independent black dude who's filming it partly out of his fucking pocket? What you mean he didn't pay you enough?

Hey, weirdos. Weirdos. That felt like they earned the opportunity because they were big. No, no, I understood. That ain't no $200 million movie. How much did you expect you was gonna make? Well, I made enough to get them teeth fixed

just like you did. Yeah. So I, it was no harm, no foul. I knew that I was gonna go from there and there was no. You were gonna turn it back for Cat Williams. Well, here's the thing. I wrote it. What I'm saying, I'm saying, if I did it

and I did a good job at it, you can thank me. I was involved. I'm not gonna come later on and tell you, I never even read the whole script. So how you know where all this, what? What do you mean you You never read the whole book. Like, these guys' whole job is to present something, unfortunately. And I'm just not a presenter. If you ask me a question, I'm just going to tell you the truth of how I went.

Would you be willing to do another Friday? Cube already asked me to write it. I was supposed to have been writing it. This is what these guys are mad about. We lost some great people before this movie could come out regardless. So yes, there desperately needs to be one. desperately needs to be one. But we miss John Witherspoon in a way that can't really be quantified,

if I'm being honest with you. And the Chris Tucker that we got now is Epstein Island Chris Tucker, not Smokey. Oh, Lord. Island Chris Tucker not smoky If I didn't know no better I'd tell you he's the greatest I don't care what you say To be confident and not delusional is a real skill Most of these confident people we see is really diluted well You don't think you don't think they asked Chris Tucker to come back in the second Friday?

Smokey, Smokey was all in for Smokey. There ain't no Friday without Smokey. We all agree to that and there's no next Friday without Friday and there's no Friday after next without Friday. Nah, we talking about the road because you said that they don't have a- Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Chris was allowed to make the decision.

At the time that this is happening, Cat Williams is known for smoking weed, Willie Nelson is known for smoking weed, Snoop's known for smoking weed, but none of us is really known except Willie and I'm saying Chris Tucker didn't want to be the poster child for smoking weed. He don't smoke weed like that. He in the church He Michael Jackson's best friend Christmas Michael Jackson call him Christmas. You ever met a man that gave you a little nickname like that? No. Me neither. Must be the greatest Man, I ain't gonna be able to get nobody back. I ain't gonna be able to get no more comedians. They all coming. No they ain't. Are you kidding? Nah. Hey, I promise you. Good thing I got all the rest of them. I would have gotten the ones.

I promise you everybody trying to double back. You rest of them. I would have gotten the ones. I promise you, everybody trying to double back. You're going to be having to beat them all with a stick. You won't let him. They're coming. Much as... You're on Def Comedy Jam, Comic View. What were those experiences like?

What do you remember most about deaf comedy jam and comic view? Comic view was everything. Comic view was really the break and not Friday after next, just because comic view was just 3,000 of your stand up peers and we'd just throw sets of all of them up there and we see who the audience likes. Who do they like? And it was a great wild, wild west time to be involved in comedy and the same is true for Def Jam because hip-hop was a fad at one time. Hip-hop

ain't gonna last and why you doing that? And that's how it was for blue comedy If you were a comedian that cussed you were ridiculed by the mainstream Comedy guys that would be like me being on Joe Rogan. Joe don't want me on there I need to be on Shannon Joe Joe got six comedians that never been funny. He want to push out. Really? But that's really how it is. I'm so sorry I'm competitive.

You an athlete, right? Yeah, yeah, I can tell. You understand. Will there ever be another comic new, deaf comedy jam? Could that be today, 24, 25, 26? Could we see that again? They've already announced it, it's already going.

You didn't know? Mm-mm. Yeah, Kevin Hart purchased it, so he's now doing Comedy View. That happened at the same time that they gave DC Young Fly Hollywood Squares. Where? Yeah, because they tell you that there's no gatekeepers,

but we keep seeing the same people open the gate. Didn't Kevin open the gate and let Tiffany in? Ain't he now opening it up for, don't such a such open the gate, what you mean ain't no gatekeepers? There's a hundred gates out here. I, I, everyone I've seen got a keeper. Would you have wanted to do Comic View,

a deaf comedy jam, would you have wanted to be? I think we just mentioned I did them both. No, I'm saying, purchase the rights and refranchise it. Nope, they didn't offer it to me anyway. Like, Comic View did a couple disservices to comedy as well. So there were people like me that were out there getting two and three standing ovations

in one set. And that wasn't good for television. So what they did was they started making everybody get a standing ovation. So they would tell the audience, when they get off stage, everybody get up and cheer. And so now the fact that I'm the only one out there going to get standing ovations is now making people think everybody get a standing ovation. And that's not how comedy is.

So I understood why that couldn't go anymore. Because remember, Ricky Smiley sat right here and told you a story about how he performed with Mike Epps and Cat Williams when he did Comic View and to let him tell it, he was funnier than both. My name Lil Dow. You're talking about the special needs. Ooh, that's good.

That's a different time. That's some clever mature. That was a different time, Cat. No, it wasn't. It was the time I was there. But I'm saying. That time, this time. That's some clever material. That was a different time, Cap. No, it wasn't. It was the time I was there. But I'm saying. That time, this time, same times. No, but I'm saying.

Just like people that tell you the Egyptians, they're not black. Egypt is in Africa, folks. As long as Egypt is in Africa, then Egyptians are African. Do you believe you could tell the same jokes today as when you started out? I mean, Eddie Murphy's not telling those jokes. Richard Pryor's not being able to tell those jokes in 2024 that they told in the 70s and the 80s.

So they wouldn't have told them. But that's my point. They're not inferior people. No! If they were in this time, they would be going according to our time. Just like then, we were going according to that like That's how it is in the world There are words that we can use for a while and when we use them for a while until somebody says that ain't a good word

We should stop saying correct doesn't don't make people feel good And we stop saying the word and we move on to another word. You can't say to our word You can certainly say special needs. word, you can certainly say special needs. You can certainly say spectrum. You get, there are things that you can say to get your point that don't have to hurt people. But you would know that if what you did was construct the English language for a living,

then you would understand that part. You financed your first standup, you had 20, it cost you 22,000. You had 25 to your name. Why did you decide to do that? You believe that much in cat? I believe that much in business. In business, the goal is for you to become independent

and be the boss, take the responsibility and also get the profit. Okay. That's all. How can I be looking for you to put me on if I wouldn't? And if I can't show you what you missed out on, why would you believe me? Now, the fact that I was able to do it 12 times, that's the real thing. The part that I'm able to do it 12 times. That's the real thing.

The part that I'm able to do it all across the country. The fact that every time I do a tour or a special, you think, that's sponsored by somebody. Somebody did a good job. No, no, just, just the guy they're kicking around. Just the one that might mentally not be all there. He's the one picking the outfits, writing this guy's material, booking the shows, making sure he gets there.

He's the one hiring the other comedians. He's... But hey, I knew that that's the end goal. So if that's the end goal and I'm there when I start, why would I deviate from that? Right. Remember, my goal was to get this far in Hollywood and still have a virgin asshole and never have sucked a penis.

That was my only goal. I didn't want to get with a white woman because I was scared she might have me running down the street like Jonathan Did you go speak up? Oh, yeah Not because I didn't like white women. I think white women are as great as any other women But I'm not gonna act like I'm not scared of them I have a reason to be scared you could be Kang the Conqueror and they could take your Rabbit ass down in two weekends and that's the truth for the matter

So I stayed away from that and remember I told you the drug story from when I'm in the park. So these are just the things, I had all of those when I came in, I already was ready for that. That's what they don't like. I did not know, you're telling me and showing me a side of the business that I didn't know. That you guys are, man, the competition,

the competitiveness. That's all business. I don't care if they're selling Coke. You wouldn't believe the things that Coca-Cola says about Pepsi. You wouldn't believe the water conversations between Dasani and Liquid Def. Like in all business, in all sport,

competition is a driving force. I don't require anybody to be better, who am I? I just require if you're a loser and you've taken shortcuts at every chance and you've made sure that you didn't put anybody on that really had a work ethic and was a God-fearing person and you helped that. If that was never you, then don't act like that's you. Don't get out here now that you don't do stand-up and start acting like, oh, you're not sure

why you don't do stand-up no more. I heard you got run off. You better be careful the nigga that run you off gonna show up and he gonna tell everybody. Man, what you gonna be able to say? Nothing. Why you think I speak with such clarity? I'm actually involved in each one of these stories

I told you about. Right, right. The one comedian that we've been sitting here during this interview that you hold in very high regard is Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle walked away from 50 million. You said it was more, tell the story. That's right. I want you to tell it.

No, you're the best. No, I want you to tell it. You really are the best. You've proven it here today. As much as I'm proving it, you've proven it. You've proven it. Yeah, that wasn't the thing. It wasn't, people say that, he lost $50 million.

No, no, that's not even close to what happened to this dude. And until you understand what happened to the dude, you don't understand what happened. Like, no, not they offered him 50 million and he turned it down. Who gonna turn down 50 million? Now I've had to turn down $ million dollars four times four times just to protect my integrity and that virgin hole I was telling you about right cuz P. Diddy be wanting to party and you gotta tell him no

you gotta tell him no I did I did see I got the receipts for everything I'm telling you that's why I can say I got the receipts for everything. I'm telling you. That's why I Need no you here get you know, thank you sir. Thank you. Come on cuz early on you was accusing me then Okay, man It's crazy. I mean, but you know, some of these people Martin tried to put me in my first dress When he had to go on his hiatus, he tell me cat when Kat, when I come back, I need you. You my young partner. You my brother in comedy. When I come back, just promise me that my next movie,

it'll be me and you. We gonna do it together. We gonna do some buddy cop shit. I said, Martin, you got my motherfucking word, my nigga. Go do what you gotta do. When you come back, I'm in your movie. Don't trip. I don't need to see the script or nothing.

You know we get in that office and this fool pull out Big Mama's House 2? I almost died. And I gotta read this script from all these good white people. Where this nigga want me to get an address with him. And I'm literally saying to everybody, why is he in a dress again?

You already played the old lady as FBI agent. We can play anything now. We can be playing a dog catcher this time. Why do we need to be in a dress? And I get so mad I say you don't want me. You want Brandon T. Jackson and that's who they went and got. Twice I said it they went and got him. Just like I'm telling you I had the other dudes work. I had all of it. All I did was say I want to punch it up

so it's not offensive to real niggas and That's how I got in this position I sure hope I have a club shay shay after this year It's gonna be in a dimension. It's never been. Yeah, it's going to be. The greatest thing floating in 2020. I might be out of business. No way. In a whole different realm of business.

Oprah coming next. Oprah coming next. Once I established this as a place of truth. Yeah. Oh yeah. Watch. Watch. Watch. God's people ain't that few.

Yeah. Prince, you met Prince? Prince was a friend of mine. He was a friend of mine. What was those conversations? Because he's, look, I mean, sometimes we don't really understand or appreciate someone until they're gone. I did. was a big prince man all this stuff

Yeah, because he could play all the instruments he could say he could that he was an entertainer Yeah, that could say and what he wrote. I mean who thinks the cherry moves who thinks it snows in April who? Raspberry beret or a pink cashmere the thing the purple rain the things that he wrote about Well, like bro,, who mine goes there? Yeah, he was, he was unlike anybody in the world. He was, he was just an amazing individual.

I was able to meet him when I was 12, and I knew him my entire life through all of his changes. I was able to assist him many times. If you go look at Prince's car collection, you'll see that Prince don't have not one car Cat Williams ain't got. He got the Prowler from Friday after next to now. He got the same Bentley as me, like, because we share certain things.

Our connection was lyrics, musical lyrics, women and cars. And those are the areas where he trusted my opinion on things. And that's where I got to be helpful in his life. And he was helpful in mine in really all different types of ways, especially about the business as far as being a black man that was rich in this business at 18 years old, had already did his first million dollar contract, had already broken records, was determined that he didn't want to be like anybody else was so

great of a guitar player that black people just stop caring about guitar and he got left out on a limb and somehow still had to create his way out of that. He was just really a one in a billion type person. I was lucky to know him. What's going on everybody? This is Justin Pennick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out?

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but how much do you focus on, okay, I'm gonna tour, say 100 days or 150 days, but I'm gonna do a special? Well, now that our relationship with Netflix is at the eight figure mark. Eight? How often you wanna make them? You said eight, I mean, like, like. figure mark. Um. Eight? How? You said eight? How often you want to make them?

You said eight? I mean like five, six, seven, eight? Gotta be ten million to qualify yeah. So what I'm saying is once you're at that level, I mean what you do? I I'd be willing to bet you say shh. Every time you turn

around I'm going to be doing another one. I think that's what you would say if you was any good. And like I said, like I said, with 12 comedy specials, why do I need to be in these conversations with these specialist people? Sid ain't got no specials you remember, Steve ain't got no specials you remember,

Ricky ain't got no specials you remember, Faison ain't got no, what, so why do y'all get some? Quake didn't special. Yeah, it was 20 minutes long. It was good too though. It was, he's good. Not it was good, he's good. Yeah, see, Quake my guy.

Don't think because I said something derogatory that I don't know how to hate. Earthquake has consistently, I don't think anybody's ever said Quake wasn't funny. He probably never been booed, I don't think. I don't think he's ever given a bad performance in his life. Nathaniel, my dog. But, but, um,

but his just do was overdue. He was in a whole different situation. Yeah. Because he wasn't able to translate the stand-up to the movie thing He took a hit most people don't take a hit. They're just judged on their stand-up. Right. So yeah, no, I Even though it sounds like there's a lot of people I don't that's not the case. I am It sounds like there's a lot of people I don't, that's not the case. I am a proponent of all of us who are in this business working hard trying to make it.

When you got in the standup, was crossing over, was doing TV, was doing movie, was that a part of it? You're like, okay, I'm doing standup, okay. The next progression is TV movies. Throughout the history of stand-up, sir, that's the goal for all of us. That's how it goes. That's why when you hear these dudes talking about,

oh, I didn't want to be a movie star. You just know it's disingenuous. Like, what are you talking about, dude? Yeah, oh, no, no, I just wanted to do a game show. Right. What? You sure? Are you sure? Cause I thought you did Mark Curry's show

over after he had just done hanging with Mr. Cooper. Why would you do all of that man's stuff that he did on his show on yours and then do the dude stand up? You go on the road and then you never put Mark Curry on your show or nothing Like if you don't say anything these dudes will run over you I don't know if you know how bullies operate. I don't if you don't stand up for yourself There really is nothing they won't do right You're very generous man cat you you're the sole sponsor of Melba Moore Getting a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

You did all that on your own, why? Do you have a personal relationship with Melba? No, no. I understood that she was a black woman in a time where it mattered what you look like, and they had a certain thing that they needed you to look like and act like in order to be successful. Right.

And she just never did that. She wasn't tall enough. She wasn't fine. They didn't like her looks. They didn't like that her hair was natural. They talked crazy about her. And yet she still made all of these achievements. And I'm like, understand, I'm already in the Comedy Hall of Fame.

I'm already going to heaven, no matter what happens, if it ends in a second, I'm up there. So it gives me the leeway to do some things that are simply because it's the right thing to do. So the truth of the matter is, they wanted to give me a star, but, please don't consider me and this person been sitting on this list this whole time, and just because they ain't got enough money, they can't get they just do?

That's crazy, when do you start, that's hurtful. What if somebody can't afford their flowers? You mean they don't get them? No, God don't operate like that. He was sending a dummy like me to come and take care of that. Just so that the right thing happens. That's how the universe work. Because remember, what am I spending my money on?

I'm not spending my money on strippers. I ain't spending them on drugs. Why not? Like, what? Stripper club. Because if I go in a strip club, I'm only trying to get her out of there. Yeah.

I have no intention of her or any other people being in this position. If I see a girl I like at the strip club, I'm telling her, you know you don't have to strip no more after this. This could be your last day. Ta-da! How about that?

What would it be like just to leave it all? You ain't gotta be old no more. I don't even want you to go get your purse. Just leave it. We get new IDs, we get new IDs and credit cards and social security cards. We don't need none of that. That's all that. This life don't need none of that.

Yeah, none of that. None of that. This life don't look good on you. Yeah, shit. You don't even look like a drug addict. You got me thinking. You got me thinking, cat. You hear these athletes talking about, yeah, we was out there tricking. What? Why? You're part of the problem. You're part of the problem.

Stop paying people that you don't have no respect for. It sets it up bad for us. We got women out here can't find a man because they acting like him. You a alpha. Now the alphas all want these subservient husbands. You can't have one. No.

They ain't gonna happen. It ain't gonna happen. Sorry about that. Okay, go ahead. Boy, you done got me canceled. How many times in this program? Where's the camera? I didn't write nothing.

I said tonight, it's all been on these cue cards and I'm just gonna keep reading them. Ask your next question. The Migos. Do you help them get out of financial situation? I don't think we ever as a nation can remember a time that the Migos were financially unsuccessful. So for the record, I would assume that they've never needed Cat Williams financial assistance for anything. I'm sure that between QC, the label and other things they were taken care of. On the other hand, if I was given the opportunity to help them, would I?

Of course I would. that's what I do. I'm a pro-black non-racist. Like, I really, really love black people, but I don't love them more than other people. I love everybody. I just, I'm a black guy, and I try to stick with that, but yeah, I'm not one of those pillow talkers either. Like when I do something good,

I'm really not doing it for the gram. It's not for any of that. I'm just doing it because it's good to do. I appreciate that. I read, I don't know if this is true, but I did read that comedians on your show say that women sometimes would bring them money and not say where it came from.

Say that again? Comedians would say women would bring them money and not say where it came from. Right. So I'm not a feminist like a feminist would be, but I do believe that there are no, that in my camp, like if I had 35 people in my camp, I believe that other than four jobs, I believe that a woman is better at any of them jobs than any man could be.

So 10 of these jobs, no man can work, because I'd rather a female be there. If I gotta smell anybody's breath, I want it to be hers. I don't want none of you crusty. So, what I'm saying is, in a staffing issue, I'm gonna have 75% women, just because I prefer them. I don't prefer to hear two guys talking in the corner.

I prefer to hear two ladies talking in the corner. I don't care what they're talking about. I just prefer them. I don't prefer to hear two guys talking in the corner. I prefer to hear two ladies talking in the corner. I don't care what they're talking about. I just prefer that. So a lot of times I will utilize ladies to convey a message. If a comedian is doing a great job somewhere in the country, he just did a masterful set and nobody's gonna pay him.

They just clapping and I know he's broke as shit back there. Wouldn't it be nice if somebody just showed up and gave him a little blessing and he didn't have to suck me off for it and thanks cat and boy I really needed it. Why would you do that? If you was actually just trying to help people, you would. People know that's how I pay my tithes.

If I got paid $100,000 to be at your city, I'm gonna take 10,000 of that and put it in your homeless area. Not because I got to, because you gave me a hunny racks to come to your little rinky dink town. Who would I be to not pay my tubs back to your town? That's how I got in this position.

Wow. You adopted seven kids. Why? That's a lot of kids for a man that's as busy as you are, travels as much as you do, on the road as much as you are, spend a lot of time, because you have to spend a lot of time. I mean, it's not easy. I mean, maybe it comes just so natural to you to put pen to paper and to write things

down and be able to go out there and perform a set, but that's a lot of responsibility, Kat. Right. Right. But that's a lot of responsibility cat Right Right, but if there was a God What would he think about you if you did that? I'm saying let's just let's say for example, okay that God is real. Yeah, okay, and let's say he'd be looking at what you do Yes What would he say if you did that? He said that cat that's that's a very that's a very kind gesture

That's very jealous of you My whole life since I was telling you when I was young and they was asking what I wanted to be and nothing I wanted to be with what I wanted to be God's friend. That's a weird thing if you ate this If you ate, I didn't even say nothing. But if you believe in God and I tell you that I wanted to be God's friend and I wanted to even go to Hollywood and still be God's friend. If I told you that that was my aim, you could understand where I'm at. I promise you, no jealousy, no bitterness, none of that. I got exactly what I was trying to get

I haven't been shorted in any way. I Mean seven eight kids single You'll get married you remember the conversation where I was where it was me Yes, and I didn't know what was gonna happen to my two little brothers. And it was just going to be out there. Yes. So when it gone full circle and I'm one of the I'm one of the richest men that ever lived. And I don't I don't I don't mean please don't look at my net worth.

I saw my net worth. I I had that on me. I swear to God. What I'm saying is like, I'm saying my net worth is less than my last Netflix deal. You understand what I'm telling you? I think it makes sense. But I'm fine. Jesus was poor. Jesus didn't have nothing. So why I don't be mad you say I don't have nothing.

They had amenities they had back then, okay. Say it again? We got different amenities now. Not more than gold. Gold was the amenity of that time. We still got gold. Gold still runnin'. They have no Rolls Royce. They got a, you can buy an ass, that's what they call it in the Bible,

they were cheap. I'm saying if you really want to say, I'm saying a Cullinan is cheap. So back in the day I would get my girl a donkey, today I'm saying a Cullinan is cheap. So back in the day, I would get my girl a donkey. Today, we get her a Cullinan. But I'm saying whoever and whatever it is, I'm saying we. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what you going to do? I'm saying because what we going to do? I done already told you, I'm one of the richest people

that ever lived. Yes. Only in the fact that when I wake up in the morning, no matter where I am, I don't need nothing. Whatever I need is right around me and whatever I don't have is only just because I don't have it. It's not because I can't get it.

All I gotta do is want it and it belongs to me. So because of that, because I'm favored by God, like when I see people's wives and stuff, I don't even look at them. You know what I mean? Like I don't want to look at nothing I don't want to have because I know how blessed I am. If I look at it, I got it. Yeah!

That's how did he be feeling. Come on, baby, come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. So you're not supposed to look at anything that you don't want. Not me personally, just because God has given me literally everything I ever even pump faked

like I want. And that's the whole thing. That's the whole thing is I don't have a type of woman. Every woman that I ever had as a type, I ended up getting her. Now she's not the type anymore. Now I understand that every woman is a one of one. Like you can't really have types. What?

Cause see how you tried to ask me something about marriage. I ain't said nothing about no marriage, kid. Yeah, you did. When you rewind the tape, you let it out. You was like, so you ever gonna get married? And then you took it back. It's okay, it's okay. I was known as the photographic memory.

Are you? I'm not against it. Like most people that are not married is because they're afraid of commitment. It's not like that for me. It's just the whole time I wanted to be married, I had kids, so I had to try to fill my wife's place before she got there. So I already got kids without a mother, but so now I got to be doing laundry, I'm washing

dishes, I'm reading stories, I'm having a nurture, I'm having to do all of this. And I got to the point where I didn't need a wife, I'm doing it and we're doing it and I'm not replacing a woman in their lives. I'm letting them see that that's just the only thing that we don't have and it was easier for me to do that because you have to understand that all of the kids I'm raising at this point, they have fathers. You see, they have a mother. You see? They have a mother. You see?

I'm a different person. I'm raising you. And so that needs to be done with the other respect for the others that put work in as well. So yeah. Um, I never had a problem getting married. I... What's one of the one things you try to teach your kids? I don't teach anybody anything that's over 18. I've done the work I was going to do.

But as kids, I really just tried to teach the things that can't be bought. Your integrity. Trying to live your life in a way that you yourself could be proud of if you had to look back on it. And I didn't do very good at leading by example, but behind the scenes, that's never what I was pushing. They understood that because of my stance, there was a certain thing that would come my way. And so accountability and responsibility is part of what you're teaching is that, you know, even if you're doing the greatest thing in the world, there's this thing called no

good deed goes unpunished. Like there's a real Murphy's law like Basically in raising kids you're just trying to give them a better manual and an outline of how life works Then your parents gave you you know and so That's how I did it How do you avoid toxic women? Give me a, give me, give me, I mean, I mean, because obviously, you know, you like women. I do. And I probably like toxic ones more than anybody.

God damn it. Just because- I'll ask you this. No, hold on. Because toxic women are exciting. And that's just a fact. Part of toxicity is exciting. I'd rather skydive with her. But if you have toxic women, just understand that all monsters are feeding off of something. And if you find out what this toxic woman is feeding off of, you can just begin to turn off her feeding points and it drives a toxic person crazy and they'll get away from you.

So whatever, if she's truly toxic, there are certain things that she's doing that help fuel her toxicity. You're not noticing it, but it's what it is. Why do you think she watches Murder Mysteries before she goes to sleep? Why is it always the crime drama playing? Turn it off, turn it to cartoons. Make her... Look.

No, you don't get to... What's she listening to? You didn't be listening to Sexy Red, you broke. Ah! What's he listening to? You didn't be listening to sexy red, you broke. Ah! Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe as soon as you find that out You'll be able to cut off what they get and they will leave Yeah You were married once

Never you weren't married never in life. So would you have a cohabitation agreement never? How I'm gonna be a single parent and be married you could to them You know, there are people that like were married and then they get divorced and then they become single parents. That's how that works. Yeah, but a person who's never been married means he's never been married. Okay, I'm gonna take your word for it. Why would you need to take my word for it?

Hold on, hold on. If I had been married, wouldn't it somebody had said who she was? No. It might have been a long time ago. No, I've never not been famous, sir. I've just, I just, I just worked the story out to you. I don't have no hidden mysteries in my life. That was Jesus. I don't have no periods in my life

where it's unaccounted for. No, no, no. That person that said that was a liar. I got a case right now in L.A. This lady said she was my assistant for 14 years, and I heard her or something like that. Never worked for me not a day in my life. Liars lie because they want to.

But people always say, why would they lie? No, there are several women have said they was married to me. It's just when they went to court, they had to say, I was married to him spiritually. You shut up. Are you going to be married to me? My kids don't know you. Answer me that. So do you have a problem?

Do you have a problem bringing women around your kids? No, not then or now. I've always lived with several women. Like I'm known for that. Several? Yeah. Like more than one? I've already told you that I prefer the company of women

to the company of men. So have I told you that me and a couple dudes on my staff sometimes have to cohabitate, nobody finds a problem with that. Yeah, so it's me and three ladies cohabitating because that's how the business gets done. Like I don't want a chef that scratches his nuts before he cooks.

I don't. I, no disrespect to these guys that go around with these large male only groupings, but that's not my episode of Entourage. You were approached by seven government. You were robbed, shot in the thigh. Say it again? You were robbed once, correct?

No, I never remember. You didn't get robbed. You didn't get robbed. You didn't get approached by government trying to get robbed? They didn't take anything. I wasn't even the... I wasn't even... The target? I wasn't even who they were talking to.

And not because I say that. Because if you look at what time period it is, I'm not even making $5,000 a year, so Rob and me wouldn't answer that. This is before Oklahoma. You're talking about a terrible condition. They'd have been disappointed thinking they'd get something off Leela. If they had to rob you- If they'd have robbed you. Look, in three cities, it's legendary that Cat Williams would walk down our streets with his baby in a baby stroller with a diaper bag with a gun in a diaper bag. The only thing I need is a pass. Don't mess with me and just let me go about my business.

I'm living in Inglewood, Compton. I'm living in Englewood, Compton, I'm living in Manchester and Western, I'm in LA, the gang capital of the world, but never robbed, because why? I'm not pretending to be something I'm not. You think I'm a blood, you think I'm a Crip. I'm from Ohio, I'm a comedian, I'm a father. I'm trying to do something out here, and not only do I not judge what you doing

I'm not trying to be involved right that's the difference. That's where the respect comes from To you touring right now dark matters the dark matter tour. Yeah filming next Netflix special in May may yep next And oh you to see anything or what I I'm gonna catch that. Mm-hmm I thought you might say that I will catch that one right because there's a homecoming for me because I lived on I lived on Hazel So, you know, I gotta keep them know I lived in the heart of Englewood they saw me walk down Market Street with the babies I'm raising like they understood that no, no. I was really not pretending.

Oh, you want to be from the hood? No, I'm living there on the street. What's your favorite city to tour in? Uh, the next one, sir. Yeah, that's the real beauty of travel. Right. That's why most people don't have the empathy and the sympathy that they need to have for other people, is because they haven't seen other people.

Like, if you went to Ireland and you saw what them people was like, and you went to Sweden and saw what them people was like, if you really went to Africa and you really saw what the people was like, you went to Haiti, you went to Puerto Rico, if you really traveled across the country, you would see that all people is the same. Way more people that's good than the fucked up individuals you're seeing. And if you understood that, it would change everything. So I don't have any favorites in the world just because every place is dealing with their own issues, their own troubles, all places look better

than they actually are for the people that live there. And it's always a difference between what it seems like and what it is like. People will tell you, I went to Paris. I was there at the Eiffel Tower. Bitch, you had bed bugs. And there were rats everywhere. The food was terrible.

Tell the rest of it. Don't tell some. Let me ask you a question. When you go to these cities to tour, do you make it a habit of getting out? That's how I built my reputation. That's also how I ended up in jail 19 times. Because when I come to do a show, I'm really in your city. So whatever the strip club is, I'm there.

Whatever the top bar is, I was there drinking. Whatever the, I was, you had a casino, I was at it. Like, what was it? Huh, cause I'm in your city. This is how I'm learning your city so that when I do my show, I can be talking about what I know, not what I think, right? And so that was what I did in every city that I went to.

The first 15 minutes of my show is what it's like to be here. You see what I'm saying? And so that was always a part of what kept my legend going to the point where I can still be in these arenas without you ever seeing a poster with my picture on it, without you ever seeing a flyer, without you ever seeing a post that goes, Hey, it's Kat, could y'all make sure y'all come out and come see me? Cause I'ma be in, would you please come on out guys?

And I really am. Because we have a different respect. I know I'm coming. They know I'm coming. I know they gonna be there. And they know I'm gonna do the best job I can possibly do. And they know beyond a shadow of a doubt, whatever hour he was doing when we last saw him,

he won't be doing that hour when we see him this time. It's a whole new conversation. And because I've never strayed from that, they've never strayed from their part. I'm looking at some of the actors that you've been on screen with. Cube, Tracy Morgan, Regina Hall, Terrence Howard. They's all good.

Nick Cannon, I mean Tiffany. I mean, bro, who brings out the best in Kat Williams? How does someone get the best out of Kat Williams? Do you need a comedian? Do you need a serious actor? How do we get the absolute best out of Kat Williams on screen? Well, I would be disingenuous if I didn't remind us that that's never anybody's goal.

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Hope you could join us for the postseason run. It's never anybody's goal to create a great situation for me to do a good job. Why? In a script. The way it works is the script is already there. This is a character in the script. If they give me the job, I make it my job that this character here, this character here

has to be as big as this whole project. So if you don't even see the movie School Dance, I want you to remember, whose goddamn white baby is this? And the only way that I can guarantee that you will remember my scene if you didn't remember a whole movie is if I make sure that my scenes are that good.

Because that's what I watched. I watched great actors. You never saw De Niro, you never saw Pesci, you never saw any of these dudes and something. You was like, nah, I don't really believe it. You sure you're the great Gatsby? Like, no, like you believe that this dude, Daniel, is a hobbit.

That's part of the Lord of the Rings. Right. You see what I'm saying? And so I, it's having a respect for the craft that I'm doing that means I'm trying to do the best job possible. What was it like working with Spike Lee doing Priceless? Spike Lee is everything that you said I was in my intro. He's just really an innovator

and a groundbreaking one of a kind dynamo. And I knew that they were, like they tried to sabotage me even then. Like as soon as I said I wanted to get Spike Lee to direct it cause that was the biggest thing I could do. They immediately gave Spike to Gerard Carmichael and had him do his special too at the Comedy Store and just to undermine.

If there's one thing you can take away from me as a person, whether you like me or you don't, if you take this from me, you will be a better person. If you decide today that you're gonna live every day like it's your last for real, which means have a conversation with yourself every night that, okay, that was it. May not be no more after that.

And really count yourself every day like this could have been it, all right? Before I go to bed, this could be it. All right, how's that looking? If you can do that, it'll change your life. You'll really start making decisions and living your life like this all you got, just this one day.

But you could be a winner. You could be a winner on this day. It's just work ethic. And not the work ethic they talk about. They tell you work ethic where they do all these movies. I'm the hardest working man. No, everybody goes to work every day. Right.

Yeah. I'm saying, I go to work all the time. Everybody who works goes to work every day. Shut up. Shut up. You get, what? You think I respect you more than my gardener? I don't.

I don't. I don't. He work every day. Rain or shine. I don't know if you saw this, but Taraji P. Henson got extremely emotional the other day. She was given an interview. Yes. And saying that they're vastly underpaid.

They say the math is not math. They get X amount of dollars by the time Uncle Sam get his cut, by the time the agency get their cut, by the time the agency get their cut, and what you see they were supposed to get is a fraction of that. Where do you come down on that, Kat? It was the saddest thing ever because imagine, imagine being in your genre and your sub-niche, whatever it is, imagine being in your lane. Imagine being one of the very top of your lane, that to the point where if they don't take you for the role,

there's not three black actresses that they can say are bigger than you that we're gonna give this to. Imagine you being at that point and have to humble yourself and say, they're not paying me, y'all. And they not making my pay go up because I'm doing better or nothing. It don't matter to them that I'm famous and people know me or nothing. They want to pay me exactly what they pay on the new girl.

And I've been suffering under it for a decade now and just taking it. I've just been getting whooped. But I just got to come say this is wrong. We should be ashamed. But this is a country where we don't pay the teachers and then we say the kids is the most important thing. You can't have both of them. If you do that, we're gonna end up with a generation that can't read.

Guess what? Generation Z and A can't read. Why? Because who was giving them a book? We got an iPad or a phone, and now the letters don't mean the, there's no cursive writing. Sorry about that. So yeah, this is what period of time it's in.

It's the period where the victims get to say, they've been hurting me for a long time. And I just ain't said nothing, because I was trying to be strong, and I didn't want to shame anybody. When our people call out for help, we got to understand. You know what I mean?

Like, we put too much pressure on Tyler Perry. You know what I mean? He ain't put nobody on. The people that been in his productions, they not famous. All of them can walk through the mall without security. Be what you're going to be, but put your people on. If you a gay person and you in there, put some other gay people on. Put somebody on. Or don't be wondering why people keep saying gatekeepers, because clearly, y'all

are keeping these gates. Clearly. Wilding out, how difficult was it for Nick Cannon to get you on and what was that experience like? I've known Nick Cannon since he was a teenager. He had to have his, in the comedy club, if you're underage, you can't be in the regular club, you had to be in the kitchen.

So I was the master of the kitchen every comedy place because I got a child and my child is back here in this place while I go on stage. So I've known Nick Cannon since he was 14. Nick Cannon has never called and asked me to do one single thing and and I turned him down. Because I've known him since he was a young black child in Hollywood.

Wow. So, what I did in Wild N Out was to be his protector and to be his voice with hip hop. So the whole thing was, the thing that he was trying to do had never been done before. You can't bring six comics in and let six comics talk shit about six rappers because the six rappers will beat the six Comics ass right you have to have a comic that could actually stand in between and go look We comics we gonna say what we gonna say,

y'all gonna take it and understand it's a joke. If you wanna fight, we fight before the show. So you can go out there with your black eye. We not gonna do it comedically. This is what needed to take place in order for it to be successful, which is why it had already aired and didn't work. And then suddenly when it comes back with me,

it suddenly works because respect has to be in there as well. Or if you're trying to do it with Kevin Hart, you and him gonna get run over. You a teenager, he fine too. Like, what's gonna happen? Who are some of your favorite young comedians? He's a teenager, he fine too. What's gonna happen? Who are some of your favorite young comedians? I haven't seen a young comedian I don't like. If you name any of the young comedians,

I'm aware of all of them and they're all doing a great job. It doesn't matter if it's Country Wayne or Desi Banks, it doesn't matter if it's Carlos or Chico, it doesn't matter if it's DC or Jess Hilarious. It really doesn't matter once we go to the young part. The young comedians are dealing with things that we never dealt with. And so that gives them more benefits but it also gives them more chances of failure so it's not easier for them so yeah I'm a big supporter of Young Comics we have Miss Pretty Ricky and T'Kara Williams. I've taken 25 black women on the road in these tours. It's important to me that the young comic

gets the benefits and the advantages of the big comics platform. Matt Reif, Wild N Out, recently got canceled. You see Jonathan Majors, what he went through, Marble dropped him as soon as they're guilty. The conviction came out, and you were telling- Hey, you saw that black woman come get his charge cut in half?

Thank you, Megan, good God bless you, coming to save that slave. If he'd had to be there by himself, he was getting all full. Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. She came in there, it was just so beautiful, they had to knock there by himself, he was getting all full. Gu-tu, gu-tu, gu-tu, gu-tu. She came in there, it was just so beautiful, they had to knock half of it off. Bless his heart.

So Matt Wright, you know him from Wild N Out, he gets canceled for a time, trying to tell a- I never knew him from Wild N Out, to be honest. Okay. I came across him as a new comic. Okay. And yeah, I'm really just trying to see the comics, judge where they are, see it, yeah.

Right. Go ahead. So the counseling, what do you think about this council culture, you see the situation with Jonathan Major, I mean for all sense and purposes, I don't know if maybe he can bounce back in a couple years, but man, he was hot. He was hot, he was cooking.

I mean, you see him in Creed, he's in the Marvel movies, and then just like that. Maybe I'm a conspiracy theory, but I thought Kat Williams said, any time they make you into that position, part of that contract is, you do understand whenever we wanna take you down, we can, right? Part of giving you the world.

First of all, they went around the world for two years straight telling any women that would listen that this was a good-looking Negro. Says when? When did y'all start liking a big nose? When did y'all like a little head and a big jaw? When? Says when? That look like my daddy. When you start liking my daddy? You like black people's features like that?

If this ugly nigga is good looking, then all niggas is good looking. Anytime you see them telling you something you can't believe, just understand it's a play. And it don't matter. You're going to know it's a play as soon as they get in that position and think they're going to tell somebody something. No, you're not. No you're not. No, you're not

Marvel will cancel you so you won't be allowed to read a comic book Yeah, they love fooling the people what's your relationship like with she'll not you still close with you Have you spoken to him? Have you talked to him recently? Yeah, he's doing good. Yeah, he's a... Man, when you a friend, you a friend for life with Cat Williams.

Yeah, because the people that come to me are trying to better their life. They're not trying to continue doing what they have been doing. Okay. So when somebody comes to continue doing what they have been doing. Okay. So when somebody comes to me, male or female, it is in the auspices that this is what I did, this is what I used to do, this ain't what I want to do no more and I want to do something else and I'd like it to go a different way.

Okay. That's what I offer. Yeah. So if you come to me under those auspices, then my loyalty is lifelong. Why would it not be? Torre Layne the Mag, what would you take on that? Cause I know you got to take on everything.

It's a difficult position because somebody's not gonna tell the truth. And the truth has got to be told. In all circumstances, the truth has got to be told. In all circumstances, the truth has got to be told. So if you don't wanna say she shot her, then you shot her and that's the end of that. You said, have you ever spent time in jail? 30 times.

When you was in there, what was going through your mind can what did what did I mean some people like man I have an opportunity to reflect nothing like man. This ain't the place for me. I ain't coming back here when you did So what I've never I've never been in jail and it was my decision to be there If if it's dangerous to be in the hood and you have to have a gun on you for protection and it's either dangerous to be in the hood and you have to have a gun on you for protection and it's either be judged by six or I mean judged by twelve or carried by six, I'm always going to have my heater on me. So if you want to tell me that you're going to pull me over fifteen times looking for it, I'm going to tell you fifteen times you're going to find it. Unfortunately, I smoke cigarettes and weed. If you catch me 15 times, 15 times I'm gonna have it on me.

What do you think I'm in jail thinking? Oh, I done fuck up. Damn these decisions. I'm not gonna protect my life at all when I get out of here. Fuck it, let them do what they want to do to me. No, no, when I'm in there, I'm fine fine and I'm understanding that I'm put here for a reason and the people that get joy off me being in here are really going to look stupid because I'm finna be free because you gotta be setting this up.

I'm never anywhere to get anything. You don't know I just made $300,000 in your city. That's why you think I might be out here as a ne'er-do-well You think I'm he's smoking weed. Yeah, he's got a medical license for it. He needs it It's his only medication. Do you mind if he takes it? It helps him eat Cuz he does 19 100 City tours flying across the line. And so he doesn't get hungry on the regular.

He doesn't get sleepy at night. He's got to literally put himself to sleep. He's literally got to make himself eat. So this marijuana helps him do both of those things. Marijuana helps you sleep? Oh, yeah. Because remember, as a comedian, what you're doing is against your natural timeline.

Your natural timeline wouldn't be that you would start your work day at eight o'clock p.m. And then your work day is over at 2.30 a.m. Like that's a weird, right? So to tell your body now that we're pumped up on endorphins, now let's go to sleep at three. It don't work like that. Your body has to try to get a whole new schedule. So, you know, it suffered, but that's what worked for me. I consistently used it. I told people all across

the country, don't worry, this will be legal in our country. As soon as they find out how to charge taxes for it, we will be legal in this country. Do they view me as some sort of visionary for my forward link? No. You on drugs. That's what I heard. Yeah, but how you been, I mean, bro, every time they try to put you down, they try to put you to the back, you bounce up, you move right back to the front. Damn, you, I mean, you like a Super Bowl. You just keep bouncing and then you bounce up you move right back to the front am you I mean you like a Super Bowl

You just keep bouncing in the you bounce higher Trampoline skin is something that you ask God for when I watch you play football you had it There's some people that There's really no such thing as hitting Shannon Sharp so hard that he don't want to run the ball the next play. Right, absolutely. And if that's your only goal is to hit him so hard that he don't want to be him no more, you just have a look. Yeah, you wasting your time. There's no, your coach can't help you. There ain't no pep talk gonna help you. Don't matter about the uniform, you're chillin'.

None of that matters. If it ever gets to mano y mano, may the best man win. And if you've been living your entire life trying to be the best man that you can for yourself, then you should feel great about those odds. What do you think about Kanye, Rantz? What's going on with Kanye? From a distance obviously I don't know how well you know Kanye I don't know if you've

been around Kanye but from a distance what what what do you suspect's going on? I suspect that we're pretty awful people if we say that somebody got a mental illness, and then we watch what they do. If you say somebody got special needs, then why would you be watching them and holding them accountable like everybody else? Wouldn't you grade them on a curve? Wouldn't you go, woo, this guy. Because I mean, what are we reacting to?

What are we reacting to? You're the one that put him in a position where he thought he was God and could call himself Yeezus. And you're the one told a guy that writes musical lyrics that he was a genius. You're the one that's like so What do you expect the guy married a whore like? I Didn't mean it like that. I mean married her because she was one not he didn't know he understood that he wanted that

He courted that that's what he wanted to base his family on good heart though. I Know what you go say don't you say it can't don't you say it? I'm gonna move the car. It's what I'm saying is not correct. Then. How does she end up with Pete Davidson? I Mean it happens all the time and what if you weren't even good enough for Pete and he leaves you what do that mean? the product was? No, I don't support or villainize Kanye because I don't understand what it is we want from him. I don't know why we look at a basketball player and say, he didn't score no hockey goals this whole season.

He don't play hockey. He don't play hockey. He don't play hockey. Kanye don't say nothing I can agree with. OK. He was the weird guy in the beginning with the pink sweaters when we met him. What do you think, moving to a beat of your own drop?

This dude started a church and kept cussing. Nobody in black church said nothing. You would've thought all the pastors would've came up, you can't be no gospel artist. You just said fuck that bitch. Nobody said nothing, because TD Jakes over there with Pete Hinnit. Oh, come on, cat.

Only the guy you had here has been upfront and honest and a man of God and humble and took the L's he had to take and didn't... I did see it was trending though, but I ain't know. I don't, I ain't know why, Cat. I don't. Let me go to this question right here. All people that love the truth gotta be happy

if the truth coming out and lies is getting exposed, that's just what time it is. 2024 folks. Are you related to Luda? No. So there was a crossroads where we were both invited to an Illuminati thing and it had to be one or the other of us and decisions had to be made. So it was both of us, we were equal. One of us had to cut off all their hair and couldn't do the sideburn thing no more

with the points. And the next person they said was going to get $200 million because they were going to pay him 10 million a movie to do 20 movies. And that's how the conversation happened. One of those persons turned out to be ludicrous and the other person turned out to be 20 movies. And that's how the conversation happened. One of those persons turned out to be Ludacris, and the other person turned out to be Cat Williams. Now, one person ended up with a light-skinned, ugly-faced wife that's never done a... Remember I told you that if I say that, it applied to seven people?

Yes. It's part of what they give you. OK? I didn't get it. I'm not mad about it. How much money did they give you. Okay, I didn't get it. I'm not mad about it. How much money did they give you? Two hundred? Sir, Fast and Furious is on what number right now?

Ten. Ten million? Two hundred million, I mightn't get me one of them old women looking the same. That's what they all end up saying at the end of the day. Kevin told you he won't go wear no dress until they offered him the dress and then he put it on. And what did he say after he wore it? I made my own decision. Duh.

But you didn't make it before they brought it up, did you? It's okay. It's alright. You have a lot of politics. Never talk about it. I'm not that controversial. Eeeeee! Where are we headed, Cap? This is sad. We've never been here before. We've never been at the point where neither option is good for us in real life.

No. This is a different conversation. This is would you rather go back with your ex or would you rather go back with the person before them? Both bad both bad options like one guy one guy can barely Put his sentences together and the other guy Will put sentences together from whatever he's read or whoever told it. Like, but how do we get here? How do we get here? All division divides. There's no way around that. All division divides politics.

Even in the beginning when our Constitution was drawn up, the two parties was not what they had in mind. They always thought that it would be two main and another independent party. They always assumed the independent party would be just as strong as the others. A lot of that just didn't happen. That's what I've learned more from comedy is that Republicans laugh at the exact same thing that Democrats laugh at. As long as I'm talking to Democrats I can make them laugh for one hour straight about what Republicans do. By the same token I can go talk to Republicans for one whole hour and have them dying about the stuff that Democrats do. But at the end of the day, who

does that? Yeah, your team got an offense and a defense. They're not supposed to be enemies. The enemy is the other side. Wow. You can't do politics like that. Nope. That's not good for the country. Man, you see this Mark Zuckerberg building this 270 million dollar bunker if You have a billion dollars We have learned that you can do whatever you want to do when Eli must was to send space Things in space, you know, I'd ask nobody's permission

Congress don't meet Senate don't meet no police department got to be warned He don't need a permit None of that if you got a billion dollars you do what you want to do and then you tell them what you did. And that's how it goes. What he building a $200 million bunker? What do you know that we don't know, Kat? Kim Jong-un?

I don't know what you don't know. Do you understand that people that are not very bright are in charge of nuclear bombs all across the country? That's what he knows. He knows that 30% of all weapons systems are running off regular Wi-Fi. So what does that mean? That means if a solar flare or a meteor hits either one of those, literally a bomb can go off just because the system accidentally got turned off.

Yeah, that's what he knows. The people that are in power know that the people that are running the most complicated and deadliest things on the planet are just an average idiot. And you know lots of idiots. I do. Yep, and these people are not special. Back in the day they were. Yeah.

Not today. Not today. You say you smoke a little weed, you don't smoke with Snoop. Yeah. I'm actually a bigger smoker than Snoop. He'll tell you that. But I don't, like I don't mix anything with my weed.

I just do weed, right? So yeah, nobody has- That's minimal, I mean you got to- Nobody has, nobody does 20 blunts a day like me for 30 years. Like I was the first person to have a weed roller, like somebody whose job it was. Like I haven't rolled a blunt in 20 years. Like if you go, I'm saying I prefer the saliva of ladies.

No, no, understand what I'm saying. For a blunt, it's necessary for it to get lit, right? And so if you had spent 20 years smoking with dudes, that's a lot of male saliva that you would have just accidentally ingested. But the fire done killed him. I can't beat this specimen on that. It takes the saliva of nice ladies on that.

But yeah, that's all I do. Do you consider yourself a king of comedy? Where the can we? No, they consider that. Like, after Bernie left, them same three guys, I'm telling you about, the Kings. Because DL is the greatest. No DL slander gets tolerated.

But they came to me. I was supposed to be the fourth king. I got the offer. Then what happened? But I turned it down. Why? Because you shit on Bernie. And I know the truth.

You think I'm going to let you shit on Bernie and then come get me? I'm the next king? Fuck you. Why? Because the whole time Bernie was here you was acting like you was funnier than him. The reason you was supposed to go last is because it was your tour. Tell the truth. It was Steve's tour. Not that it was gonna be called the Kings of Comedy, it was Steve's tour. These are the guys opening for him. Of course you gotta close if it's your tour. That's why it was such a big deal. But you couldn't do it,

because you can't beat the best. And until you humble yourself, you will forever be kinged by the king. And because you finally did it, because you had no other choice, and now that he gone, you gonna act like he wanted to be a movie star. You stop it.

You stop it. That man was funnier than all of y'all and y'all thought y'all had one over on him. You thought he was black and ugly and you were good looking and he couldn't make it cause you did. And that ain't the way comedy works. The king is the funniest. Period. Every time. And that's why no audience member was ever swayed. It didn't matter where Bernie went. You think if Bernie went first he wasn't

the king? Get out of here. Get out of here. Get your ego out of this. You let the best be the best. Right? Kat Wave, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for coming on, bro. I really appreciate that. Thanks for sharing the stories. Setting the record straight. Now you know they're going to double back. Impossible. Impossible. Only because if once you play this back, you'll realize I didn't say anything that made me look in a good light. I wasn't tearing down others to boost myself up, but I do have to acknowledge things that did not take place.

Like, we're very ingenuous if we say this is not a game and we don't play it and people ain't in positions and people don't have their favorites and they group and they click. But that happens in all businesses. No, no. Say what side you on. Say why you don't like the other side.

Then you get to the game. But in the game, I'm wiping the field with them to the point where they don't even compete anymore. So how you gonna let a dude that been on the bench for 15 years, ugh, I would have beat Jordan's ass. Shut up, Jordan is still alive. We'll call Jordan right now.

You can't beat him now. Ah, not then, you can't beat him now. Right. Cat Williams. Shannon Sharp. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you. All my life, been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle pay the price.

Want a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why all my life I been grinding all my life. All my life, been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle pay the price. Want a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why all my life've been grinding all my life. week on Mondays on Wednesdays on Fridays breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL we're gearing up for the NFL playoffs I hope you can join us join in with us three times a week listen to football today on the iHeart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad

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