Club Shay Shay - Marlon Wayans Part 2

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

In Part 2, Marlon Wayans gives credit to his brother Keenen's talent-spotting abilities, noting how Keenen discovered major stars like Tommy Davidson, Jim Carrey, and Jennifer Lopez, and he reminisces about the legendary four-year run of In Living Color. Marlon shares stories about his experiences in Hollywood, like working with Eddie Murphy on Norbit, his close friendship with Tupac Shakur during the filming of Above the Rim, and how the tragic deaths of Tupac and Biggie impacted him. He discusses the origins of The Wayans Bros show and remembers some of their best guests, including Bernie Mac, whom they helped elevate to stardom. He gets into the complexities of Hollywood, discussing his family's challenges with the Weinstein brothers and how they were cheated out of a fair deal for the Scary Movie franchise. He reflects on the impact of being a visionary Black entertainer and the importance of coming together to create rather than tear each other down. Marlon talks about some of the iconic moments in his career, such as the making of White Chicks, which he describes as the hardest movie he's ever done. He responds to claims from Mo'Nique that White Chicks stole her baby powder joke, and addresses criticism about Black actors wearing dresses in Hollywood. He also shares his unique approach to comedy, stating that he doesn't write his jokes but performs spontaneously, "like Jay-Z in the booth." In a more personal segment, Marlon opens up about his relationship with his daughter and the difficulties of accepting her transition. He discusses his desire to have another child in his 50s, his reluctance to get married, and how he plans to be a different father this time around. Tune in to this episode of Club Shay Shay for a raw and insightful conversation with Marlon Wayans, filled with laughter, love, and some unexpected revelations. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think the greatest compliment that anybody can pay. He said, I wouldn't be successful without your brother. Yeah. I wouldn't be successful without my brother either. I think a lot of us wouldn't be successful without your brother. Yeah. I wouldn't be successful without my brother either. I think a lot of us wouldn't be successful without my brother. I think my brother, well, it's different for me.

I was nurtured. So I still think because I had their guidance and their nurturing, I was gonna make it regardless. Believe me. You had been around them enough, he and Damon and been in that family enough, you was gonna go out there, you was gonna make it regardless. Right. Believe me. You had been around them enough, he and Damon, and been in that family enough, you was gonna go out there, you was gonna carve your own way.

Yeah. But. Jim needed this opportunity in Living Color. When you're watching him. Well, and you credit not just Kenan, you gotta credit Damon. Damon, okay. Because Damon did Earth Girls Are Easy with Jim Carrey, and they were friends.

Okay. And Damon was like, yo, Kenan. Damon was Kenan's right-hand man. Okay. That's his lieutenant on Kenan. Damon was Kenan's right-hand man. That's his lieutenant. Let me call her. That was his right-hand man. Damon and then Kim. Kim was a soldier in that room, always writing her sketches.

Everything Kim did, for the most part, she wrote and created. So Kenan was like, he's like, you got to trust me. This white boy is funny. He's like, Silly Put me, this white boy is funny. He's like, silly putty. He twists himself up. He could suck his own dick if he tried. It's like, boy, crazy. And Kenan was like, OK, let me see him.

And then Jim went, and he had just Hollywood didn't want him no more because he did this thing called Duck Soup, that bomb, or Duck something, Duck Factory, and it bombed. And so they were cold on him. So the network didn't want him. And then Kenan saw Jim and the audition that Damon bought him to and Damon was bigging them up.

Kenan was like, he's hilarious. And then from there he put them on and he let Jim buck wild and living color was a playground. Yeah, Kenan always said don't just do what's on the script. He made us all writers. Have something in your back pocket. Because when we do second take and third take, don't do the same thing.

The audience can only hear the joke one time. It's going to diminish in return. So they want to hear something different. And so that's what we did. Being a writer. Kenan was a star maker, is what I'm saying. Did you know Jim could be what he became? Yeah I knew. I knew Jim could be what he became. I knew Jamie could be what he became. I

knew Damon. I knew everybody on that set could become anything they wanted to be. Rosie Perez was the choreographer. Yes. You understand? Yes. In Living Color. In Living Color was filled with great people, hand-picked people with good vibes and good energy and love. My family, we come to set, we hug each other. You see the love my family has.

We have love. That's why I oftentimes, when it comes to people, they talking they nonsense and they talking they shit. Listen, I don't I try not to engage Right because I know I'm not about the goons and this and that I got love I got people that are dying for me lots of them like so and I don't want to engage in that people that are dying for me, lots of them. Like, so, and I don't wanna engage in that. Cause I'm loved. So I'm loved enough to step back from it,

cause I know if I go, if I'm in a fight, there gonna be a lot of hands in there. You got the nephews, you got the cousins, there's a lot of wayanses. And I just go, you know what, I'm loved. So when you get to a wayan set, you feel love. Yeah, you see we love each other. Tommy said that Tommy said every time you guys come on set, you hug each other, you kiss each other. He's like, damn, I wish I could have

had that in any day. He did in my family. Yeah, from your Yeah, my family, Tommy comes on to this day, Tommy had a birthday party, I pulled up. I love them. I love all my all my all my tribe. I love them for I love all my all my all my tribe. I love them for life though and all my all them will tell you I show up. I show up and we when you come in our world we love you. David Angra will tell you we love period nobody ain't gotten only people that don't know us got something to say anybody experienced us like they love. I had Tommy on Tommy said that like he damn Tommy talk a lot he does he did. Tommy said like he had

a great relationship with JLo. They would speak when they were on the show. You know, they went to dinner, they did things. And then when she kind of blew up, she kind of like brushed him off. I know you can only speak to his personal experience what you've what you've experienced. Have you experienced something like that? What's your relationship with JLo? Or have you experienced something like that where someone started out and they were kind of small, they got big, and then all of a sudden,

they really didn't know who Marlon was? I don't know, maybe they had something personal going on, you know, Jamie and JLo. I can't speak on it because I don't know. Not Jamie. I mean, Tommy and JLo, you know, maybe he had a JLo joke somewhere, I don't know. And you know, you never know what could start that type of thing.

But from my experience, JLo blew up. And when I saw, it's always love. Always, hey, how you doing? How's Kenan? Right? Always been love. She's never been like, oh, I'm above you now. She's never been like that. In fact, my role and air

You know, she told Ben Affleck He was like I need a good actor to do this role and I want somebody good-looking to play George Rablings She's like I need I need this and right she said what about Marlon? He's a great dramatic actor and so Ben called me and was like we do this role in my movie And it was a great role and I was like bet and JLo was the me and was like, will you do this role in my movie? And it was a great role. And I was like bet. And JLo was the one that was like, yo, you should hit Marlon. So I went on press tours and I saw her and her and Ben. We sat at the same table at the Golden Globes and love, all love, you know what I mean?

I don't, there's no like, you know, but look, it's hard for everybody to always give you attention, especially when you're her. You're being her you being pulled this way being pulled that way everybody when you want the cameras here and this and that and so I don't take it personal I just go maybe she busy I'll hit her another time and but I don't know what her and Tommy went through I love J-Lo you know it's there going to live in color set see everybody credits like puffy with finding that J. Lo was fine, right? He's Christopher Columbus. I'm Magellan.

I knew that. You already been there. You already knew that. I knew that ass was round, boy. Watch me on the set of Living Color. In fact, me doing all the beats, and I'm just looking at her butt like, man, that's a lot of bunkie right there.

But she was beautiful little Puerto Rican girl to me when she was just, I'm just looking at her butt like man, that's a lot of boonky right there But she was beautiful little Puerto Rican girl to me when she was just JLo's always been Beautiful right and to see her and see her and see her talent and see her blow up and see her become a brand Y'all from my alma mater. Hey, man Love and one day, you know, I sit down go one day, you know, we'll work together. I love that. I love the fact that I go, oh, there's something for me to work toward. Right. Because everything is full circle.

You know, it's like everything is full circle. In fact, I remember I got the role in Nutty Professor as Dave Chappelle's role. And my character's name, I came, his name was Sweet. This is during the Def Jam era. I said, his name is Sweet Booger. And he had a saying. Every time he crack a joke, he'll go, you know how Sweet Booger say, you better get out of here.

And so I had this character, and they thought it was hilarious. And then at the same time, we had the screening of Don't Be a Menace, and it didn't do well. And then we had to write that movie. And Keenan was like, well. I said, Keenan, we had the screening of Don't Be a Menace and it didn't do well. And then we had to write that movie. And Kenan was like, well. I said, Kenan, I got the role. He goes, okay, you can do that role.

And you can make Eddie's movie funny. Or you can do the work, and work on Don't Be a Menace and do your movie and make your movie funny. But you can't do both. Wow. I cried. I cried.

He always had these heartbreaking things like these things that he would show you and it was like God talking, right? And it's like this purgatory I'm in and I'm just like, I wanna do this, but I have to do this. And I chose to do Don't Be A Menace. Yeah, you should've.

I know, you understand. To work with my idol, Eddie Murphy. Yes. You understand what that meant for me. I love me some Eddie Murphy. There's Richard Pryor, Damon Wayans, Eddie Murphy. Those are my three goats right there. And you can mix them up and pick one.

I wanna do that movie so bad. And then, years later, I get the opportunity to do Norbit. And it just said, Bust the Taps. And that's all I had written. And once again, going back, remember Mo Money? I wrote all these jokes down. Remember, Don't Be a Menace? We wrote the whole thing in a week.

I'm a writer. Sat there. Bust the Taps. I watched Jane Fonda. I watched Billy Blanks. I said, what would a great tap dance class be? And I wrote a whole routine of a tap dance, power tap dance class. And I get to set, and Brian Robbins,

who now runs Paramount, he directed DORBIT, he was like, I think he's gonna be in makeup for five hours. We're gonna shoot something, so what do you, what do you have? It says Busta Taps. What do you have? You have a root, I said, um, I got this little thing that I worked out. Can I try it? He said, okay. I got the class. I said, y'all just do everything I do. Ready? And one, two, three, four, I stepped the poof, gotta wipe it off. Power tap, tap, tap, tap, power tap, tap, tap. Here come the cops. They're taking me to jail.

And I did the class. I did a 20 minute class. They were sweating. Brian Roberts was like, hold on, this is hilarious. We're filming all this. Five hours. Brian filmed the whole class. Eddie comes out, a trailer, dressed in his makeup, and he gets to the screen. And he goes, Eddie, we got something

we want to show you. And so he shows me the scene. And I left the room. My idol's in there. You know, the dude I knew since I was eight years old. Yeah. Marlon B. Free, I left the room, nervous. They start the thing, and all I hear is, oh!

Oh! Oh! Oh! When Eddie laughs, he roars. Right. Oh! I look in the room, and he's smacking the chair at what I'm doing.

I stepped outside the room. I don't know where the East was, but I looked to the East and I just prayed and I just thank God that I got to make my hero laugh. And being that I didn't have that opportunity before, but now given the journey that it all comes full circle that I get to make Eddie Murphy laugh. I made him laugh, we did a scene together,

and I said something like that, you know, look at your big old orange ass, look like the great pumpkin, make a nigga go turn a nigga into a werewolf, woo! Something, and Eddie were, and I made him break. I was like, that's how I knew. I was like, I'm on to something.

So everything is full circle. Everything happens for a reason. Everything is divinity and everything is God. Let's go to this. You were in Above the Rim with Tupac. Yeah, that's my guy. You had a very, very close relationship with Pac. That's my man, that's my guy.

What happened was, I knew Pac for a while You had a very, very close relationship with Pop. That's my man, that's my guy. That was me. He was a... What happened was, I knew Pop for a while because, like, okay... Omar was my best friend, is my best friend, Omar Epps. And him and my other best friend, Mitchell, were doing Juice with Tupac. So I was coming up from Howard to come to the set to hang out with them.

So I met Pac that way. Then when I moved to LA, me and Jada Pinkett became great friends. Jada Pinkett and Tupac went to the same school together. Right, so we had like this clique of performing arts high school ghetto kids. And then I got the role of a boogaloo above the rim. And I got to work with Pop.

And we hung out like on set, we cracked up, we laughed the whole time. This man would go work all day, smoke his weed. He always high. That trailer, we shared a trailer together. I swear, I got a, whew, I had a contact the whole time. It felt like I was living in a blunt. That's how much smoke it was.

And so we used to hang out, and then we laughed a lot together. We used to walk around the streets of New York. We laughed a lot because Pac was silly. Pac was just like a, he was a performing arts high school kid of the ghetto. I'm the same way.

I grew up in the projects. I'm a project Negro. All this Hollywood stuff, that's not what I know. Right. You didn't come from there. 16 years of my life raised in the institution, pretty much. So we all got along. Me, him, Omar, and it was like when we all got together, we can all laugh like kids. All the pressure, all the gangster, all the, no, We just all laugh, we hang out.

You know, and Pac, he always gonna be his thug self. He always had a bishop in him, but he was such a multifaceted dude. And if you watch our interviews, we have old interviews, I used to make him laugh all the time. He'd be silly with me, and you know, and it's crazy. I remember I saw Pac was performing, he invited me down to Glam Slam.

Okay. And he was performing, he invited me down to Glam Slam. And he was performing with Biggie. There's a picture with Tupac and Biggie, the only picture I think of them two together. And if you look in the corner, I'm sitting in the background twisting my hair. Now the irony is, I saw Tupac in Vegas at the Luxor 20 minutes before he got shot.

We saw him. I seen Shug and all these cars and thugs and reds. And I was like, I turned white. I was like, we shouldn't go over there. We can just wait for me. Hi, Tupac. Omar was like, nah, we got to go say what's up, pay our respects.

And Tupac was a huge star at this time. And I was like, you sure? You sure? Looks like a lot of trouble over there. And so I go over there, up, pay our respects. And Pac was a huge star at this time. And I was like, you sure? It looks like a lot of trouble over there. So I go over there, give him a hug, we all talk. Kick it for five minutes, and the BMW pulls up. And me, Omar, Mitchell, we get in the cab. And we pull off. And I never forget the look on Tupac's face

as we pulled off. He's kinda just like looking at us like. Maybe I should get in the car with you. It just, he looked like, man, I missed that freedom. I missed that fun. And he was just in this chaos. There was something a part of him that's wished that

it was like the innocence. He could just go with the innocence and go with the, and so we left. And then 20 minutes later we heard he got shot. And then I saw Biggie. 20 minutes before he got shot. We're leaving the party, we're going down the escalator. Or we're going up the escalator. And he was like, or down, he was like,

yo, I love your family, I love y'all. Y'all make me laugh, bro, all the stuff you do, more money. He was just bigging us up, and he had a, I forgot what he had on, maybe a coochie sweater or whatever. And he was, you know, we was talking, he was like, I love you, dab me up, good seeing you, continue success, blah, blah, blah. And I know Puff since college, I know these brothers,

I grew up in Hollywood, so, we're leaving the party, I see him again Dapham up my brother Kenan's in the party with me he gets in his car He has a drop top 500 Mercedes SL. I'm in my Range Rover, and we hear pop pop pop Kenan's like yeah, go His head as he went over the speed bump. And he pulled off, and he pulled off. I went to go eat at Jerry's Deli. I'm friends with Tracy Lee, who was a rapper.

And we was all eating over there, and we found out Big got shot. Went to the hospital, saw Puff and all them outside, Mark Pitts, all those guys I knew crying. And I saw Biggie 20 before he got shot so 20 minutes after this interview nigga you may get shot. I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere they got no guns. You 55 cent. The way of brother show yeah How do you guys get that picked up? hmm, well what Sean had a Sean did a showcase for

Warner Brothers and all these different plays he had a showcase at the lab factory and Warner Brothers want to sign him to a deal. Okay So he goes out the meeting and I just had Mo Money come out. He said, they said, what do you want to do? He goes, I always want to do a show with my brother Marlon. And me and him was already working on the Wayans brothers. And he was like, oh, Marlon from Mo Money and Lemme Cut? The two of you?

Great. And so we started developing the show. We got David Lee and Leslie Simon. And we sat there and we created the show together. And then we got to NBC. We got to the table read. And they didn't want John Witherspoon. They didn't want him.

They thought he was too ghetto. They thought that John was too country, that he was too Detroit, you know, that George Detroit playa, brother. You know, John has a very distinct personality. Exactly. He was very, John the ghetto. They didn't want him as our father. Me and Sean was like, we don't want no other father.

And they was like, either you replace the father or you don't get on our air. And we said, we're not replacing the father. And so NBC didn't pick us up so then we're nowhere and then WB is being created and they needed a flagship show and we did this pilot called Wayne's Brothers and they was like we'll take it. So me and Sean with John, we said you got to take John Witherspoon bet and from there, the Wayne's Brothers. You do realize to be on network television and the only thing that you had to do in order to get on

network television was to change a character. You know how many people would have changed that one character? Yeah, But not. We have loyalty and we have instincts and you got to trust your instincts without John Witherspoon, Wayne's brothers, me and Sean is always gonna be funny, but you need a triangle. You need that day. You need that triangle offense that every time we threw John the ball, we knew we knew that was we that was. He's still Curry. We knew it. He's Step or Clay. We knew it.

Every time John and we had the time of our lives. We laughed so much. We used to go to lunch together and John, he's so country. John would order two chickens and we was like, oh cool. So you gonna split this one up? No, nigga, get your own. This is all mine.

No vegetables, this chicken. Me and Sean was calling him Chicken Man. But man, we had so much fun. And he was like always telling me, Marlon, you need to get more keys, see? You need to have more keys. Don't just, you got this actor key, you got the producer key, see?

Now, you wanna be like a janitor, where you can open up any door you want. You gotta get you them keys. You need to get this stand-up key and for years. I never did stand-up. I think because of fear I Think because I grew up in this household with all these comedians and I always felt intimidated I always felt like Damon I'm never gonna match what Damon's doing

Damon, I'm never gonna match what Damon's doing. I'm never gonna do what Kenan's been able to do. I can't do it with Sean and Kim. When you do comedy, everybody, you tell stories from your life. I got four niggas already telling the stories of my life. So what do I have to say by the time I come along? They're gonna beat you to the punch. Exactly. But then you realize, oh, no.

That's their stories from their point of view. And as a comedian, as an individual, oh, I've got my own stories. I've got my own point of view. I've got my own journey with my parents. And my relationship is different. I've got each one of these brothers I could talk about and pull from.

I went to performing arts high school. I didn't do stand-up till later. I have a different journey. And so that now gives me complete confidence. But John used to always say, Marlon, you got the gifts. You need to go get them keys. And now that he's gone,

I'm hitting them stages so hard, because I'm like John, I'm going to get them keys. I'm going to stages so hard, because I'm like John, I'm getting keys. I'm gonna get these keys. I'm gonna go down as one of the greats, because that inspiration, he's one of the people up there with my parents that I wanna make proud, and God. I'm looking at some of the guests that you've had on.

You had Bernie Mac, Missy Elliott, Jerry Springer, Gary Coleman, Pam Greer, Monica, Kenny Lofton, Camacho, Buster Rhymes, Keith Sweatt, Envo, Paul Abdul. Who are some of your favorite guests that you had on the Williams Brothers? Well, damn, you didn't mention them so fast. I don't, I don't, who's the- Wake up with football every morning

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Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Bernie Mac. Okay, so Bernie Mac, if you don't notice, Bernie Mac's first movie, Wayans, we put on a lot of people. We put on a lot of people because if you funny, we want to give you opportunity. The first thing Bernie Mac did mo money he played a bouncer and mo money second thing he did we put him in a movie don't be a menace he played officer self hatred wow then we put him on way his brothers then me and Bernie did above the rim together like I love Bernie Mac being Bernie was very tight you know I love a lot of man but I always knew once again I always knew he was gonna be funny together. Like I love Bernie Mac. Me and Bernie was very tight. You know, I love that man.

But I always knew, once again, I always knew he was going to be funny. I always knew. So he was one of my favorites. I remember we would improvise something. And we'd have some kind of black joke or black in the hat. And then he'd walk out of the room and go, shut up, bitch. And it would just kill. And he was one of my favorites, Busta Rhymes. We put on everybody that we are fans of. Right. In Vogue, we are fans of In Vogue, fans of Missy Elliott. It was good to act with them and work with them.

And we always thought of it like I Love Lucy, where she would have guest stars on, you know, that she was fans of or friends with. And, you know, I remember Buster came on and, you know, we was backstage and after the show we gambled. We was playing craps. And I think I beat Buster for like seven G. I think to this day he's still pissed off at me.

He killed them that night. This is what I really want to know, because you were a part of it. Do you think we'll ever see an era of black sitcoms like we saw in the 90s? You had The Fresh Prince, you had your show, you had Martin, you had Jamie Foxx, you had Living Single, you had Martin, you had Jamie Foxx, you had

Living Single, you had the Cosmo, you had so many. Will we ever, ever see that again? I believe we can surpass that. I'm hopeful. You talk to a dreamer. You talk to somebody that understands positive affirmations. That you put that power in the universe. We ain't peaked.

Black people, we just beginning. We just beginning. Now we're going to have some work to do because as long as we're not owning the networks and owning the airwaves and having the executives that get our humor, then we're going to be minimalized and marginalized. So I'm hopeful that there's going to be a new way of doing things. And I think we'll be able to do even more than what we did

in the past, because I think the talent nowadays, there's some special people out there. And not just actors. Before we, Hollywood was raising actors. Since me and my brothers came along and Robert Townsend and Eddie Murphy and all these people like now, you got visionaries coming along.

You got, you know, Issa Rae's, you got Jordan Peele's, you got visionaries. That's not just people that's just like, oh, I'm gonna act in something. You got me, you got people that's like, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna craft something and produce something and create something that is of us. The Kenya Barraces.

Yes, the Kenya Barraces, you know what I'm saying? We are visionaries, so we just gotta do more, we have to collectivize, we have to do more stuff together and empower each other. Stop breaking each other down, right? Sometimes they don't know. Coming from a legacy, I understand how important it is to build each other, not break each other, right?

We ain't crabs in a barrel, right? How can I help your platform? How can I help you out? One day if I have a show, hey, can you come? I'd love to have Goat talk with you and talk to you about your legendary career and all you've done and how you've grown as an industry and how you've grown from,

I remember when you first came on the air. When you first came on, you could barely, boy, you were southern, southern as hell. Who put this man, there, but the back of my eye, and then, I said, you was, and now you doing this you know vocal exercise i said look at this man he taking this crowd serious i said gosh i was watching you yeah but

i'm proud to see the evolution right i'm proud to drink this i'm proud to come on this platform i think we need to do more of this. I don't believe I need to break you down to build me up because that's insecurity. I believe in love. And I'm going to have a great journey. I'm going to work with wonderful people and do wonderful things.

Explain to me and my audience, how does syndication work? Because you say it's like living still. Don't. They stop that shit. Damn it. After Seinfeld they said Nice after Congress and no more niggas gonna get that much money ever Syndication was you had to do what a hundred shows shows a hundred episodes. I'm just I personally I think if I do TV again

Now I want to go back to that model for me. That's that I want to do sitcom. I want to go back to that model for me. I want to do sitcom. I want to do TV. I want to do- But they won't syndicate you anymore? I want to do it. I think it's still a model that is necessary. I think the brands need a place to go. I think the networks have given up and they've allowed the streamers to kill their business. See, we live in a greedy business and they try to compete with each other

I just feel like sometimes yo let Netflix be Netflix, right? Everybody ain't got to create that you don't kill your business to go try and do their business and spend all this money chasing their business When let them have a business I want to I like the syndication thing I could I want to do it I could do a Netflix or a stream I've been very successful on all those but I truly believe in The syndication thing you do a hundred episodes Maybe two hundred episodes and then you sell it market by market and then you sell it to the streamers There's a big business in it

I paid three million dollars an episode. If I get three million dollars back on the first run, then I'm recouping everything that I've made. And then the second run, if I'm getting a million dollars an episode for those 200 episodes, that's $400 million. Right. Right, you gotta think about the business of the business.

And now, I just feel like our business is gobbling itself up and we need to break out of it, you know, and and and and and get back to to Not everything being on the one roof. When did you realize that you could write that you could really like that I can write, but I can write stuff that could become a movie I could write things that could become a movie. I could write things that can become a sitcom. When did you realize that you had that gift that you could really, really do this, Marlon? I think when I wrote my first sketch, first sketch I ever wrote on my own was Chabarang's Mr. Ugly Man.

Okay. It was funny, because I did it, Mr. Ugly Man. Okay. It was funny cuz I did it. Mr. Ugly Man. Ka-Baa! And people get mad. Listen, man Y'all can't get mad over jokes. They I'm like if you're gonna be mad about a joke, you better get in line. There's gonna be a lot of angry niggas out there. I remember I had to run I was on the set of Living Color and I was dodging Shabal rank because he was always yes. You ever run into shop. Yeah, he was a guest on this show Because when you do it today face, you know, it's mockery is the greatest form of flatter right but

Doing my first sketch was like Okay, I can do this and then we went through those 26 jazz when we did don't be a minister. I Could do this then we did scary movie And we had to go do those 19 drafts now for me for me, I'm, when I, my specials now, my stand-up, I don't even write it down no more. Really? I'm like Jay-Z in the booth. I remember everything, I write it in front of the audience.

Right. So I don't sit at home and go, this is what's funny. I go up with a concept and I go, all right, I'm gonna work this out right here in front of the audience and see where it takes me. There's gonna be some quiet moments, but I'm gonna do that. And I started doing that when I did God Loves Me, which was all about the Will Smith, Chris Rock slap.

And I wrote the whole thing in my head in three months, and I didn't tour it for long. I toured it maybe three, four months, and then I filmed a special. And then after that, I was like, oh, wow. I'm in the Matrix. I just ate the red pill. I'm in the Matrix.

Things are moving slowly. Like, I see all these numbers. And I can put all these numbers together and create these formulas. And now, good grief, same thing. I don't write it down. This new one that I'm working on, I'm on tour. Make sure you catch my tour the wild child tour coming to a city near you this fall

You're gonna see I got I'm not just up there telling jokes I'm up there telling great stories and It's like watching a movie because you got all these different characters and this hero that's going through this thing to get an elixir And all along the way it's just joke joke joke joke ba ba ba ba relentless and then there's a little bit of heart and then there's some spirit I want you to come down and check me out I'm I'm I'm I wouldn't say I'm in a special place since I've really felt that I've always been a humble man right I've always been humble because I've been raised humble man. Right. I've always been humble. Mm-hmm. Because I've been raised, I know what greatness is. Yes.

I'm starting to see mine. Wow. You get to a point in your excellence through your work ethic, and you go, oh no, I know what I'm doing. Scary movie. Miramax. Miramax.

Yeah. That's Harvey, people don't know that's Harvey, that was Harvey Weinstein's company. Harvey Weinstein and his evil ugly brother Bob. I'm going to have to drink on this man. Talk about it. Now see you waited for four shots in before you start getting juicy. And then this thing got real hot all of a sudden. Did you turn this up? This, this is the hot seat. We can turn it down. We will turn it down. So I read that

Scary movie that you guys got a really really crappy deal out of that I think in Hollywood you always get crappy deals. That's not just your seventh or eighth deal. Maybe your first one. I think the first one we got a crappy deal, definitely. But the second one, this first one was so big, we opened to $42 million. Yes. Which was unheard of.

Yes. And they tried to say for a black director that was a record breaker, no. That was a record for just a comedy director, period. That's what I love about Keenan. Keenan was like, no, no, no, don't you put the black label on me. Don't you minimalize or marginalize my success

by you trying to label it. Let's let that bleed so that other black people can know that there's not such a thing as just black success. Cause black success has a ceiling. No, just success. And I just so happen to be black Mm-hmm, and that's what how he wrote and you know it was huge So they was trying to make a deal for the second one

The week enough because they seen the track and they know it was gonna be huge So we got a good deal on the second one. You know we got 20 against 20 deal And then Miramax did what they did you know know, they was they I always say, you know They didn't just rape and molest women They raped niggas, too Molested us in them deals. They they were terrible people the terrible people. Did you know? That that was going on behind the scenes Had you heard whispers of things that he was doing to women or people that were trying to get in position,

did you hear anything about that? Did you know anything like this was going on? I hear things, but you know, he never tweeted my... Nigga never asked me for a foot massage. I would've been like, man, if you don't get the fuck outta here. But if I had heard, like if I'd have known somebody, if somebody came to me, I would've pulled up on him. Hey man, don't get the fuck out of here. But if I had heard, like if I'd have known somebody, if somebody came to me, I would have pulled up on them. Hey man, don't do that.

I'm not gonna tell you how to do your business, but you ain't gonna do that business to my people. Don't do that. That's just not how you conduct your business. If you want people to be successful, you don't use your weight to try and get something from somebody. You should want people to be successful for themselves

and the feeling that you get is the fact that you help nurture them and make them successful. This other thing, that's toxic. But God comes for you. All the toxic things that you did to me and my family, we took the franchise from us, took it from us. That was a franchise that because, and then they stole the idea for the third one.

Right. We as gentlemen, we walked away from the third one because it was like, well first of all, they took it from us. Put it in and gave it to somebody else because we couldn't make a deal. So they gave it to somebody else, and they didn't even tell us.

They read about it in the papers. We was like, okay, cool. So then that crapped out, because I'm gonna tell you something. You can try. in the papers. And he's like, okay, cool. So then that crapped out, because I'm gonna tell you something. You can try. You can try. You can't do wayans shit without the wayans.

Yeah. You can try, but eventually you're gonna lose a lot of money. Because what we do is special. We have 200 years of comedy between me, Sean, and Kenan. Damon, Kim, we have a lot of years of excellence at what we do. You can't just put anybody on to, oh, they're going to just do it. You can't do what we do.

You can do a version. And so they did the third one, took the idea, we pitched them. Because we came to the table, we said, all right, if you want to do this, we're going to get a 30 against $30 million deal. Because you made this much money on the first one, you made that much money on the second one, we're going to get 30 against 30.

All right? Okay, bet. We come in, Kenan has the meeting, pitches his idea. They go, we love it. We're going to make an offer. They make an offer for what we made on the first one. But hold on, you just said we gonna, okay,

you got us on the first one. We did okay 20 for 20 on the second one. We gonna do 30 for 30. Ain't no offer to be made. You already told us what we gonna get on the third one. How you gonna make an offer? Yeah, you feel that outrageous feeling that you feel? Yeah! That's what we felt. Times three. Make an offer. Yeah, you feel that outrageous feeling that you feel? Yeah.

That's what we felt. Times three. So we was like, you know what? No. We told you what it was. You're not playing gentlemanly. So we went and pitched that movie, and we pitched White Chicks to, it was that movie

and another movie. I think it was White Chicks. Yeah. To five other places, everybody bid. So then they come and go, okay, we're gonna come over the top and we're gonna pay you, I think it was like a 20 against 20 deal, whatever. But you got that on the second one.

22 against 22. No. We was like, no, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go do this movie with Joe Roth and Revolution. And they took the idea and I was like, oh, fuck you. So they took the idea, they hired the Zucker brothers, and they brought them on to do Scary Movie 3

based on the idea that we told them. Now, you got that one off. Part four didn't do as well. Because now- You ain't got the Marlowe's idea. You ain't got the one off. Part four. Didn't do as well. Cause now. You ain't got the Marlins out, you ain't got the Williams ideas. Yeah, but first one, you could fool the audience. They see Anna, they see Regina, they're like, oh, okay. Then they get the leg, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.

This, this, this though, I like Regina. And I love Kevin, I love Anthony, I love... But this don't taste like Wands. Then you do the fourth one, Diminishing Returns. Then you do the fifth one. And the fifth one, I was doing Haunted House at the time. I showed Haunted House to them because I was looking for distribution.

They were trying to buy it and shelve it, but they tried to take the ideas that I had in Haunted House and apply it to Scary Movie 5. But you don't know the formula. So they offered. We said, no. I took it to, uh, uh, what was it named? Open Road. Mm-hmm. And we got, uh, what was it named?

Another company to give us marketing budget. Mm-hmm. Endgame. And I made that movie for a million and a half dollars it opened to 19 million dollars Which is huge. Yeah went on to make 70 million dollars worldwide scary movie Five or six whatever was it died and they spent a lot of money to make that movie now that money that you spent making that movie You could have saved you some money and made some and you could recoup the money that you spent making that movie, you could have saved you some money and made some money. And you could have recouped the money

that you spent making the movie. All you gotta do is pay the professionals that do it. And I'm not asking you for anything that's crazy. I'm just asking for you to respect what the craft is and what we know how to do. I wanna all make money together. And then, but God is everywhere, right? So we didn't retaliate, we did nothing with it like this.

You didn't file no lawsuit like he did. We should've, we should've. We didn't. Go like this, all good. We go on, made our money, white chicks, made another classic, this little man made another classic. We do our thing. Right.

Fast forward to, you know, sometimes you ain't gotta do nothing, cuz God's gonna do it all. God's revenge, when God come for you, you gotta trust God. You don't retaliate, vengeance is mine. They took Miramax, this company Miramax, Disney took it. Then they had the Weinstein Co. And then all this stuff started going down with the rape allegations and they took that company too.

And now, your brother's in jail and you ain't in the business. I didn't have to do nothing. All you had to do was be good businessmen. We asked for nothing, we did nothing wrong. We didn't ask for anything that we didn't earn. But sometimes they get mad that a black man has a nerve to ask for what his money's supposed to be.

Don't you tell me what I'm supposed to make. This is what my value is. And if you want that, then you're gonna have to pay me what I'm worth. And this is what my value is and if you want that then you're going to pay me what I'm worth and if not amen I'm moving I ain't got no beef and we just didn't make a deal saw love I'm gonna take these great ideas and go somewhere else but don't be mad that you had to pay me for what I feel my worth is can ask you about this because there people be asking me about it these for what I feel my worth is. Can I ask you about this? Because people be asking me about it.

These Hollywood parties, Marlon, you been to the Hollywood parties, what's going on in these Hollywood parties? I left early. Ha ha to you. I've never seen The stuff that they they claim to be going on. I never seen I never never those aren't the type of parties that I I go to I don't frequent those type of parties and even if I go like I said, I've never seen any of this I'm like when I hear about it, what did that happen? At what time did this go down? Because I was there till 3.30.

You mean at 3.32? So they waited for me to leave, like, all right, good. That Wayans niggas gone. He talked too much. I've never seen it. Never seen nothing. You know, I see drugs, you know. I don't be seeing like, I'm not a man

that's about the gang bangs into this and that Yeah, if I buy a party, I like my own party. Yeah, you know me even if I'm me and you know Back in the day would be me and some chicks. It'd be me and some chicks I don't need me some chicks and some dicks. No, this is my party is my swell It's all love there's a love session here like go But I don't I you know amtrax cuz that'll get you in trouble. Yeah, I seen I see the forest through the trees Cuz I got God in my life, right? I got my daddy in my life. My I got my mama. I don't do that Yeah, now, you know better. Yeah, everything that you do

One day can come back to haunt you. So you got to be careful how you show up. I One day can come back to haunt you, so you gotta be careful how you show up. I don't have no blemishes on my NASCAR. I am brand clean. I don't go to jail. I don't do DUIs because I don't drink and drive. If I'm gonna have me a drink, I don't care where I'm at. I'm gonna call me an Uber. Right.

I don't drink and drive. I don't get into silly, like, things. Yeah. Yeah, I don't do that. I don't carry jewelry or nothing of value because I don't want to give you a reason to want to rob me. I got nothing.

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dollars on it 1994 range over and I have a Tesla that I'm about to drive over a cliff I don't like what he be saying about his trans child and maybe man you don't treat them babies like that you don't disown your babies yeah that was your your sperm weird ain't they fault. Yeah, Elon your sperm weird. It's okay that weird sperm I got it too, man shit Love your child. So my point is I don't I watch how I conduct myself because I'm not just doing this for me. I Have to answer to God I got an answer to my brothers. I have to answer to my legacy I can't act a certain way. I have to answer to my legacy. I can't act a certain way I have to answer to black people I have to answer the kids that want to be like me

There's a lot for me to answer to There's a bunch of people that want to come laugh and feel good and I owe it to my fans To walk through this life and be an example as best as I can now I will you know, I will go on my runs. I will curse out United Airlines. Yeah. You know, when I'm mistreated, I'ma talk bad about you. But if I don't have to, I'ma refrain. But I watch my conduct.

You have to watch your conduct. So I don't go to those parties like that. I've been to parties, but like I said, I never saw nothing. I'd be so surprised when I hear certain things. Like, that happened? Yeah. Where was I when that happened? Exactly.

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Did you think white chicks was gonna, when you're making white chicks, obviously you and Sean, I think you Sean and you say Keenan and a couple of other people was writing this movie and you're like, okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So when you're shooting this movie, obviously you're getting laughs. Did you think it was gonna do this?

Yeah. We was like, it's special. Nobody's done it. Obviously you getting laugh Did you think it was gonna do this? Yeah We was like a special nobody's done it. I mean you have to say that was the hardest movie Sean and I ever did yeah To act in with two black men. Mm-hmm playing two white girls, right? It's supposed to be summertime in the Hamptons Yes, we're filming wintertime in Vancouver. We're doing seven hours of makeup We got these big-ass feet and these little fucking heels, right? I mean, winter time in Vancouver, we're doing seven hours of makeup, we got these big ass feet and these little fucking heels, bunions was popping, thongs, like, you understand?

Then when they put these contacts in, that was the worst hair going in your mouth. Seven hours of makeup, and then after that, in order to get the movie done, me and Sean pushed our call time. We did something called forced call. So you're normally supposed to work a complete 12 hour day and then you got to send the actors home to make a sleep and that's called getting your turnaround.

We pushed our turnaround. So we would do seven hours of makeup and then from the time we got out of makeup, say we went and make up at three in the morning and we finished makeup by ten o'clock ten o'clock We start filming and we film till twelve o'clock At night go home get three hours sleep come back do it again This movie was so hard But we knew We had something special we knew the set pieces. We know this that way and shit We know man 200 years of comedy.

We going, this is going to be, and I thought, once again, my brother Sean is underrated. He came up with the idea for White Chicks. This man called me up, two o'clock in the morning. I think this nigga was high off green tea. He said, Marlon, we should play two white girls. I said, Sean, you need to live with the green team. I'm taking my black ass to sleep.

Next day he comes in the house, he's like, no, we got to do it. And I think it was Rick bought over FHM magazine, or Sean bought over FHM magazine. And on the cover was Nikki and Paris Hilton. And he was like, these are the girls that we gotta play and he said I was watching this movie something like it hot boom so we watched something like it hot like the Matrix is like that's it I see it instead of criminals we're gonna play cops instead of two white guys playing

two white girls we're gonna play two Two black men playing white girls instead of the little guy in the movie that's chasing around Jack Lemons character we're gonna make him one of them big-ass Basketball football niggas that love white girls who in their whole terminology Man, it's snowing in here who says it snows in April, man? You know, look at that big white one over there. That's the abominable snowman. There was a character me and my brother used to do all the time, so that's who we had Terry Crews as. And then all the girls, the dance numbers, we knew.

We knew, and so much so, I had such a good time. I still found time to hang out with the cast because I loved all those girls. We had such a good time. To the point to where I had a, me and my brother were staying loved all those girls. We had such a good time. To the point to where I had a... Me and my brother were staying in Yaletown. We had this dope townhouse. Right.

We moved. We shut that townhouse down, and we moved to the crappy-ass Sutton Hotel just so we could be around the cast, so we could party with them on. And we knew that was gonna be a special movie. And, you know, to this day, people are like, the stigma of you wearing a dress and the white man got you wearing a dress and nothing.

You got it twisted. The white man got me wearing a dress. I didn't do this to try and get in Hollywood. This was something that we created because we said this would be funny. Right. Black people, black artists, stop minimalizing your creativity.

We should do it all, physical comedy. We should do drama. We should do, you know, romantic comedy. You gotta do slapstick. You gotta, we should be able to cover all forms of our expression of comedy because white people don't do that. White people don't sit there and go, man,

look at Dustin Hoffman wearing that dress. Robin Williams. Look at Robin Williams wearing the dress. There you go, Robin Williams wearing a dress again It doesn't have a good top. He won. Did he want black people get screwed skewered and scrutinized white people win statues Robin Williams won a Golden Globe for Mrs. Duffer

Dustin Hoffman won an Oscar for tootsie. And do you see any white people? I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. way we can uphold ourselves is to support each other. Don't be crabs in a barrel trying to break each other down. They do that. It's been in our psyche for years. When does it stop? When does it stop? This is what we do? We gonna use our airwaves to break each other down and to build each other up? Nah, man, no. That's not why we wear dresses. Ain't a gay bone in my body. Gayest thing about me is my daughter.

You know what I'm saying? But honestly, and not to say it, but I'm not a whole month full of bother. I got gay friends. I'm comfortable enough as a man that I can wear a dress and still feel like a man. I'm doing comedy, so I'm gonna continue to do comedy. And when you do it right, you know when you do it right.

You know how black people ain't mad at Robert Downey Jr. for doing the character in Tropic Thunder? Because he was funny. It was funny, he didn't downplay black people, he just did the black guy. He felt like he was in character. And it was funny and it came from a good place. So black people ain't mad at that.

It wasn't like he was making fun and mockery of us. When we did white chicks, right? Mockery is a great form of flattery. You want to tell a good joke? The person that you make in fun of, they should laugh the loudest. You know who loved the white chicks the most? White chicks.

Black people loved it too. But that was why the movie's a classic movie. And you know it's sad that we haven't done a sequel. But see, there's a difference between when we do sequels and when they do sequels. And I'm not that guy to be like, man this and you know, I don't complain I just do my work man, right? I do I I'm too busy creating and being a force to sit there and lick my wounds and look at doors and beg them

To throw out a bone. Would you be willing to do a sequel? Yeah, but You'll be able to go over time crews do a sequel to a hit movie. They go here's 50 million dollars with 50% of back in When Tom Cruise do a sequel to a hit movie, they go, here's $50 million with 50% of the back end. Niggas do a sequel to a movie like, can you do the same movie for half the budget and you make a quarter of what you made the first time? What kind of math is this? Didn't you?

If we're doing a sequel, wasn't it successful? I got to make a bigger, better movie, and I'm not going to cheat the audience. I'd rather not do it and let the classic just be a classic. Let it marinate. Right. And in the meantime, I'll create something new and create a new classic and we'll form a different business based on that.

But if you want to bring somebody back to a classic thing and a classic franchise and you gotta make it bigger and better, then I can't creatively marginalize myself by the financials not adding up. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it.

I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it.

I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not going to get it. I'm not get your money sis. Right. If you feel that your value was that.

Get it. I hope you get every last single dollar and I hope they put another million on top of it. Right. Magical performance in Precious. Only super talented man. And, but when it comes to like stealing her joke, no. I don't need to steal joke.

That's an old joke. That's like a knock knock joke. You know what I mean? It's like, that's not a specific joke. That joke been around for years. I never even saw it. It was just something where he was like on set and was like, oh, you know what would be funny?

If we did the babe powder. But I'm not, I would never steal. I wouldn't steal anybody's joke. I think it's a crime to steal jokes. I don't steal them. That diminishes my returns as a writer. I'd rather punch your joke and gift you that. I go watch comedians sometimes.

If I'm watching your set and you about to go, I go, hey, you know what? You should try this right here, but, but all right, good. I don't go, I don't, I ain't gonna steal my joke. That's why for me now, if it ain't personal, I don't go I don't I ain't that stole my joke. That's why for me now If it ain't personal I ain't doing it, right? I do sets that's about my pain and I go what's funny about my pain because it's part therapy and it's part That's where the best humor comes from and so you can't steal my pain. You can't steal my life

I have a personal journey if you hear somebody go man I'm the youngest of ten kids nigga issue So no, I would never steal joke I love Monique respects to Monique I love you sis, but no that that's not how it went down You mentioned earlier your daughter. Yeah. Hold on, let me get a drink. But this is a drink of celebration, homeboy. How about that? My child. Your child. I saw on social media where you like, and people, I think, I need you to get drunk with me here.

I want you to start slurring. I want the old Shannon Sharp back before you became Artina. That there that dumb there's a mother daughter. I like how you put it right back in the place where it's brand new. Get your mark on. When your child was growing up, did you notice anything that wasn't normal

or that was specific to that child's gender? Did you notice anything? No. Well, they were always different. I noticed that there was always a girl that was a kid when she was coming up, Geraldine, Geraldine, and she was just like, yo, she did it again, what'd you do? I said hi and she didn't say hi. And she had this thing with this Geraldine girl,

and it wasn't until earlier, I mean, until later, that she explained to me that she had a crush on Geraldine. And that's why she would say, I was saying hi to her. I was just trying to express that I liked her. And this was when my child became an adult. And I was like, oh, so all these people that you had these beeps and these vibes with was girls that you actually had crushes on.

So my mind was always a little different. You look at little pictures of her when she little, we Google and she's like, the nigga always had a secret. Like. And so there was signs, I think her mother saw it more than I did. And so I think that's why the transition was harder on me,

cause I was the last to know. But as hard as it was, I think that it's not important, it's important what you went through, the five steps of grief, but I think it's important that you get to acceptance. And I'm proud to say it took me a week. A week.

A week. And it felt like forever. It felt like five years. One very hard week. A week a week. And it felt like forever. It felt like five years. One very hard week. And this was happening at a time when my mother was dying. My mother died. My father was sick. A couple of my friends, people I love had brain aneurysm. John Witherspoon died. 57 people I love died, I was broken. And then it was the other weight on top of me, like what do you mean, you're transitioning to what? And for one week I was resistant. And I'm proud to say, I'm not proud of the things

that I went through, but I'm proud that I got there in a week. And I'm even, I got there in a week. And I'm even, I'm sad to say some parents and some family members and some people, it'll take them a lifetime. And they'll never get to that magical place that I'm at, which is just acceptance. Still my child, man, that's my baby.

Cause I think sometimes, Marlon, the hardest thing as a parent, you have an expectation, you have an expectation of what you think your child should or shouldn't be. Yeah but see what's beautiful is God will break you. You we all got to answer to God and so this wasn't for them this was for me. You are not me young man I am God you are not me I designed this where I want to the only thing you can do is get this lesson. Unconditional love. Now apply that to your life.

Feel your freedom, feel your lightness. That's for you. I feel great. Golden, God is, I say God all the time. Because I know he real. You just welcome the child. Yeah. 50 plus, single. 50 plus single.

Hey nigga. I made it, hold on. I made my own grandbaby. Leave me alone. You think this little trans child's gonna give me a baby? I don't know what's going on with they organs, what's popping. You'll birth me a baby out of her dick.

I don't know what. Correct me if I'm wrong. I read, I think I read it, that you said you're not gonna get married now because you compare all women to your mom and that's an unfair comparison. Maybe I'm paraphrasing. No, I said that I didn't get married while my mother was alive because I always wanted my mother to be my number one girl. I knew my mama would cause havoc.

I'm a mama's baby. Okay. And so I don't want my wife beefing my mother like that. No, I know my son. I don't want that. And so I know my mother was on borrowed time. So let me love my mama. That's just one reason.

Other reason was, nigga, I'm in Hollywood. I got all this money all his dick I can't woman with all this dick that's crazy no I wasn't ready to be faithful I had to get some gray hair my day I had the skunk had to happen I want to show it everybody I had I had to grow up happen. I want to show it everybody I had I had to grow up man I never wanted to get divorced right and so I needed to become a man and it took my parents to go for me to finally be like I Could see myself getting married. Oh wow I could

Pull his old old-ass Man, anybody gonna marry your old father? A little easier, right? Less expectations. They gonna be what they gonna be. You know, my other kids, you know, they go to fall, they climb, but they gonna, this one I'm like, all right, she gonna learn when she fall down. She bust her ass, get that knot on her head. She gonna learn not to climb on hot things. She gonna touch that hot stove, little nigga burn her hands,

she gonna be like, ah, no, hot. We're gonna do that again. So you become a little bit, and you leave space for error. I always, one of my kids said, yo, you studying, you're doing this, you're doing that, you're being great, and this one, I'm like, have fun. Have fun in life. Here, you wanna play piano?

You wanna play instruments? You want to play instruments? You want to play? You want to sing? Whatever you want to do, let's go do the things that you're interested in. I don't care if you give me all A's. I care that you give most effort in the things you love to do most, because that's what you're

going to do for your lifetime. So if you get A's in that, man, just give me a C. And the other thing C- I'm good because the thing you excellent at you gonna be excellent at Let's pressure man. I'm I know life the most important thing about life is to be happy I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be in the way of your smile Right daddy supports you and loves you with anything that you want to do Kai broke me Kai broke me Kai broke my ego Kai broke the thing where I was like you got to be this and you you with anything that you want to do. Kai broke me. Kai broke me. Kai broke my ego. Kai broke the thing where I was like, you

gotta be this and you gotta be that. Hey man, I ain't gotta be nothing. Whatever y'all want, I just gotta be a father and I gotta love you. And I hope I'm an example and I hope you feel love. But I want you to be happy. Catch Marlon on his Wild Child Tour right now. Tickets are on sale at MarlonWayne'sOfficial.com. Watch his fourth stand-up special, Good Grief, on Prime Video. Marlon Wayans. My man. Legendary talk. I just want to say I'm glad I came to this fine establishment with you brother to have this conversation with a real set with fire plays. You know, from one legend to a wonder bit, one day legend, it's good to sit down

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