Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - 49ers Dominate, Bengals Bounce Back, Drake vs. Joe Budden

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson are back for another episode of Nightcap to discuss the 49ers dominating the Cowboys, Patrick Mahomes rising to the occasion, the Giants struggles, Steelers beating the Ravens, Drake vs. Joe Budden, and more.  #Volume #Herd #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us again on Nightcap. Ocho, this is a big night for us because we have our own channel now. We're no longer under the Club Che Che channel. We got our own channel, so we, like the Jeffersons, we are moving on up. Moving on up.

I'm your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite, number 85. He says he's the greatest route runner. We debate that again at another date and time. Ocho, let's get right into it. Yes, sir. The 49ers do a demolition job on your Cowboys. Dak, 14 of 24, 153 yards, one touchdown, three picks. The Cowboys finished with 218 yards of total offense.

Take it away. I have a question. Now I'm going to flip the question back on you. Is this a testament to how great the 49ers defense is or how bad the Cowboys played tonight? Which way is it for you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just curious.

Because I've been telling you all along. I said, Ocho, what happens to the Cowboys offense when their defense doesn't give them scooping scores and they don't give them pick sixes and the offense has to drive the ball? Then what happens? We've seen them play. Oh, that's a historic defense. We've seen them play three in-up offenses,

the Giants, the Patriots, and the Jets, and they look like the 85 Bears. We see them score, play two teams, and both teams got over 20 points, and they blew them out. The Cardinals blew them out. The Cardinals blew them out. The Cardinals blew them out. The Cardinals blew them out. The 49ers did a demolition job.

Did any... I've heard all week the Cowboys pass rush. They're number one in pass rush wins. The 49ers offensive line aren't that good. Oh, they love this matchup. Really? Did anybody touch Purdy other than the coin toss at the beginning of the game?

Did anybody touch him? Listen, this is not fair. Is it a true test to the Cowboys on how good the Cowboys offense can be when they're playing one of, if not the best defense in the NFL, in Fred Warner and boys? Just curious. Can you do that? Can you say that?

But if you are what you say you are what you want to do the best gotta beat the best right but i want to see how good i how great i am by going up against that 49ers the 49ers say we want to see how great we are by going up against that historically great cowboys offense they got cd they can run it with pollard ferguson and they got cooks and they got michael gallops and that great offensive line ooh they haven't played together since they drafted Tyler Smith in the first round they're gonna be playing together and what happened Ocho

again you know what I said the Cowboys have a problem once they get into the red zone scoring the 49ers say we ain't gonna even let their ass in the red zone how about that we ain't gonna even let your funky ass in the red zone. How about that? We ain't going to let your funky ass in the red zone. The 49ers defense is amazing.

It's phenomenal. From the interior to the linebackers to the secondary, they not allowing nothing, anything. You can't run the ball. You can't throw the ball. It's like it's – I was trying to tell you that. Yeah, well, I never said nothing was wrong with the 49ers defense.

I just felt that offensively that the Cowboys would be able to show up regards to who they were playing. Tonight, it wasn't the case. It definitely wasn't the case. Look at the Cowboys against the Jets, the Giants, and the Patriots. When they don't get 14, 21 points on pick six and scooping scores. When their special teams aren't giving them short fields. When they have to drive the ball.

And the Cardinals don't have great defense. But when you can force Dak to make every throw, every possession, every down matter. How did he look tonight? How did he look against the cards? Is this a deck problem or maybe a play calling problem? Because, hold on. How many play calls are you going to fire? You got rid of Jason Garrett.

You got rid of Kellen Moore. Now you're on your third one. So at what point in time does a common denominator? Yeah, but you know what I also saw tonight? I saw tonight we have one of the most prolific NFL receivers in C.D. Lamb. And I saw the 49ers be able to dictate. Nope,

no, not locked up. I saw... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not locked up. I saw the Cowboys allow the 49ers to dictate whether or not he can be productive tonight. You can't have that happen. You can't have things

like that happen when your best offensive playmaker is not getting the ball, not getting the touch that's necessary to give your offensive team a chance to win the game

or at least be in the game. Ward had him on house arrest. He couldn't come out of the house. You know good well when you're on house arrest you can't come out of the house after 6 o'clock. I mean, where they do that that let you out of the house. You know good well when you're on house arrest you can't come out of the house after 6 o'clock.

I mean, where they do that that let you out of the house after 6 o'clock on house arrest? They were bracketing him. You know, that's where the creativity comes in the player.

Understanding what they're going to do to your best player. That's what you saw? Yeah, that's what I saw. Because they didn't play man-to-man until third down. I saw Ward. I saw Ward. I saw Ward had it locked up.

You're talking about one play. You're talking about one play. I know what you're talking about. How many plays did he make? How many plays did he make? He made a few of them. I don't know. If you get beat 42-10, ain't nobody make nothing.

Ain't nobody make breakfast, lunch, brunch, dinner. Ain't nobody make nothing. They made a mess lunch brunch dinner ain't nobody make nothing they made a mess listen cowboy didn't play well they didn't play well across across the board offensively they didn't play well defensively so who do you think the problem is i i would love i would love to hear from you who do you think the problem was tonight i think the problem is it's not so much look i've been on record there's a large sample size of what dak is now if you think dak is anything more than that you're fooling yourself now because what have you seen what have you seen i mean what did your eyes see you don't see you're the type of guy that

don't want to believe what your eyes tell you right your eyes tell you that dak is an average quarterback that's what your eyes tell you but why won't you believe what your eyes tell you that Dak is an average quarterback. That's what your eyes tell you. But why won't you believe what your eyes tell you? Dak is an average quarterback. Yes. Average. Hold on. Average, yes. Wait a minute.

Cowboys in the playoffs last year? Yes. Were the Cowboys... And they lost to this... Wait a minute. Were the Cowboys in the playoffs the year before that? Yes. Were the Cowboys... And they lost to this... Wait a minute. Were the Cowboys in the playoffs a year before that? Yes. So an average quarterback

is getting his team and giving the chance, giving his team a chance at contention for a Lombardi trophy, and that's what you call an average? Yes. Because nobody has drafted more Pro Bowl players outside of Kansas City in the last decade. So they have immense talent.

They have two guys on the offensive line that's going to the Hall of Fame. Your right guard and your left tackle. They got Michael Parsons. They've done a tremendous job. CeeDee Lamb. Those are drafted players. Tony Pollard, a Pro Bowl player. But at the end of the day, you said he got them to the playoffs,

and then what happens come playoff time? They played this team last year. They played this team the year before. Now tell the people that didn't have television or they didn't watch the game, tell them what happened. Every year, what does Dak do in situations like this? What does Dak Prescott do? Interception.

Interception. Now, a guy lost his job. Kellen Moore lost his job. The offensive coordinator. If you look at Cowboys offense, since he took over the play calling, they were one or two in the entire league over the last three to four years. He lost his job because Dak kept turning the ball over in big games and in playoffs.

Now, here come a big game again. And what did Dak do? Well, I think this is a big game. It's a game that matters, but it's not. It's a small symbol size on what we need to do, what they need to do, going back to the drawing board so this doesn't happen later on in the season because they're going to be in contention.

They're going to be in the playoffs again. They're going to meet each other again. And when they to meet each other again and when they do meet each other again they don't want the same thing that happened tonight to happen again but okay you say the cowboys need to make the necessary corrections okay at that playoff time you've seen dac in the playoffs he's never gotten his team past the divisional round. He's never won more than one playoff game in the regular season. And normally when they lose the game, why do they lose the game, Ocho? Turnovers. How does Dak play?

Can you say Dak has played well with the exception, and even in the Green Bay game, his first one as a rookie, outside of that game, can you say, you know what, man? The Cowboys defense let him down. Or can you go back and say, man, Dak threw two picks. Or the offense didn't do this. Because remember last year, they held the 49ers to, what, 20 points. Yeah.

And the Cowboys scored 12. Last year, the year before that, they got 23. Right. And the Cowboys scored, what, 16. So we keep hearing about this. See, this is the way i measure greatness on an offense and the defense right can you go get done what you need to get done when you absolutely have to get it done right if you're a great defense on third down can you go get them off the field can you do

if it's third down can you go get a first down to make sure their offense don't get back on the field or you keep matriculating the ball down the field and getting field goal range or get a touchdown. That's the sign of greatness. See, you scoring 100 points don't tell me nothing because I need to see can you go get 25 when you have to and it's a nip-tuck ball game. Now, what have you seen through five games this year when the Cowboys need it?

Can they get it? You know, everything for the Cowboys this season has really been defense. It has been defense. It has been defense. And that is what has been bailing them out. Offensively, they haven't really been scoring the points that they need to. Now, listen to me.

I'm with you when you're right. That's one thing about it. I'm not going to argue or fight with you about what I can see because I've seen the eye test. I done the eye test. Oh, you got on your glasses. So you should be able to see real good now. I can see. But listen, it's early in the season.

We had the quarter poll. We got a long way to go. The regular season will always go well for the Cowboys. How do we fix the mistake? I keep saying we. How do they?

How do they fix the mistake so when you get to the postseason, you don't end up with the same results as always? The quarterback play. The quarterback play. The quarterback play from Dak has been phenomenal

from an interception standpoint. That perspective. He's fixed that issue. This year? Yeah, this year until tonight. Now, tonight it was very unfortunate. You're behind and you're putting yourself in a position where you have to throw the ball.

You have to throw the ball. Yes. Interception. What was the other game that he threw the interception in? It was only one. Arizona. It was only one. Arizona. Yeah. Arizona. And why did he throw that interception?

Because they were behind and the possessions matter. The downs matter. The throws matter. You know what you do? It's easier defensively when a team is behind and you know they have to hold the ball. All you have to do is play back. You just put that umbrella and keep everything in front of you.

That's what makes it so much easier when you have to play from behind for a defense. How much easier is it to play quarterback when your defense gives you 21 and our special teams give you short fields? How much easier is it to play quarterback then? I mean, once you got that short field, you would think it's much easier to score and put up points oh you think so so go back and look at what they did to get the cowboys defense to get against the giants go back and look at what they did against the patriots go back and look at what

they did against the jets now all of a sudden when they couldn't get pick sixes and they couldn't get scooping scores and the special teams didn't set up short fields, look at what they did against Arizona and look at what they did against the 49ers. They didn't put up points. Is Dak still pissed? Because you remember the guy asked him about the 49ers last year. And Dak said he was pissed.

I said, you trying to piss me off? Now, last season, they lost in the playoffs 19 to 12. The Cowboys defense gave up 19 points. In today's game, you hold a team under 20, you're supposed to win that game. The previous year, they lost 23-17. Tonight, it's 42-10. Now, I don't know about you, but it's going in the wrong direction. It's going in the wrong direction, but again, it's week five.

It's week five, Unc. You know that. You know that. And some of the score that you see in the games will be closer later on in the season. I mean, later on on the back end of the season. You know, especially postseason time, the games will be much closer. You're not blowing nobody out. No 40 to goddamn 10.

42 to 10 for that matter. Dak, last three games against the 49ers, he has three touchdowns and six INTs. Can I interest you in that? Can you win? Can you win with those stats? You can't win with those stats, but what we're doing is we're taking away

the greatness of what the 49ers defense is or team in general. But you've been telling me for the first four weeks the Cowboys are great. So it's two greats against one. It's two greats

going two behemoths. Boom. I don't recall ever saying the Cowboys are great. I said the Cowboys were a good team that would be in contention. Don't do that, Ocho. Listen, they're America's team. Their brand sells itself.

Jerry sells the brand of America's team and them being great itself. I don't have to do it. How about this? Let's talk about some of the 49ers. Because what they're able to do, Kyle Shanahan, he does so much with Debo. He does so much with IU. Kittle. And how many guys, how many fullbacks are they going to run a Texas route with?

He's throwing the ball to his fullback. He's putting McCaffrey. It's so hard because you've got to defend every blade of grass because Brock Purdy is not afraid. He's unafraid to throw the ball to anybody that has an eligible number. And when you got Big 71, they made a mistake. I would have never put Michael Parsons. I'm never putting my best pass rusher on Trent Williams

because you're neutralizing him. He's done. Because now I can slide. I'm going to go rip all day. I'm going to rip all day because Trent Williams is going to... It's over. It's over. It's over.

So you're wasting your best pass rusher trying to go against him. Look, I understand that you try to get Micah on his blind side, but you do understand that guy's a 10-time Pro Bowler that's protecting the blind side. So, I mean, that's not the blind side of the movie. That's a real protector back there.

So, see, he the real deal. But the 49ers are unbelievable because they can run it, they can throw it. Iyuk is great, run after the catch. Kittle had an outstanding game. Debo was sensational. McCaffrey, again, got the ball in the end zone. He coughed it up. He's going to

be kicking himself because that game was about to get out of hand. It was really about to get out of hand. It ended up getting out of hand, Ocho, but it was about to get out of hand a lot sooner than what it did. I think it's almost unfair. When I thought about it, watching the game, and I felt bad for the Cowboys offensively and defensively. Why? Because when I thought about it watching the game, and I felt bad for the Cowboys, offensively and defensively.

No, no, seriously. Because when I thought about it, it almost seemed unfair that the team that the 49ers have constructed, and all I could think about was, in basketball terms, the Warriors. When the Warriors had Kevin Durant, they had Steph, and they had Clay. It's like, it's shooters all over the place. And then you have someone like Shanahan with the creativity that he has and calling plays and being able to put the the ball in brock purdy's hands and understand i don't have to worry about him throwing interceptions he's always going to he's always going to get the ball the ball is coming out on all time and routes he's putting it right

in between the numbers and everything is working and the the funny thing about it is when McCaffrey is hitting and he's on fire, it makes the passing game that much easier. So it's like, how do you stop that? Who has the personnel in the NFL to stop that? That can stop the run, that can stop the screenplay, the smoke routes, and be able to defend the short, intermediate, and long balls. Yeah. You got to pressure Purdy.

You got to put him in a situation where he has to play. Because if you notice, they dictate everything. Yes. And as long as you're allowing Kyle to dictate, you got to uphill climb. Now, Kyle knows Dan Quinn. He was his offensive coordinator. So he knows what he likes to run.

Right. He knows what he likes to do. And he gots offensive coordinator. So he knows what he likes to run. He knows what he likes to do. And he gots the personnel. He has one offensive lineman that can neutralize. So now we can take our fullback and chip his way out. We can take our tight end, chip his way out. And that'll give the right guard a look. But they did an outstanding job with the pass rush of protecting Purdy.

But if you look at on his anticipatory skills, Ocho, the way he throws the ball, when that receiver outside foot hits, and he's going to run the dagger route, or he's going to run in it, that ball is gone. So by the time he gets to the middle, he hit, I think it was Ayuk. He hit Ayuk on the over route.

Yes, I know exactly which one you're talking about. It came right off the line back ahead. Yeah, I know which one you're talking about. It came right off the line back ahead. Yeah, I know which one you're talking about. There's nothing you can do about it. Beautiful. Nothing you can do. I mean, this was a clinic last night. I mean, tonight.

Brock Purdy, 17-24, 252, four touchdowns, nine touchdowns this season, zero picks, 9.3 yards attempt. For me, I know he doesn't have the gaudy numbers like a Tua, but he has entered the MVP discussion. You know what? He doesn't have the gaudy numbers like Tua because he doesn't have the type of personnel that Tua has to work with. They got a 4x1 team out there in Miami.

They have a 4x1 team out there in Miami. They have a 4x1 team out here in Miami. In the Bay Area, what they have is a bunch of dudes that put on their construction hat, and they come to work. And they're going to chip you to death all the way down the field. All the way down the field. They're going to keep on hammering

and keep on hammering to get the job done. Out there in Miami, listen, they're going to jump in the diggity. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah, they do. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah. That's going to get the job done. Out there in Miami, listen, they're going to jump in. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah, they do. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah. That's going to be a matchup.

A great matchup. That's going to be a matchup. A great matchup. It's going to be a matchup. Because the thing, because what we, Buffalo kind of gave you the blueprint of how to deal with the Dolphins. Yeah. Pressure to her.

Yeah. Yeah, get him off the spot. Get him off the spot. If you let him have time. He's going to kill you. But the problem that they have is that you got to off the spot. Get him off the spot. If you let him have time. He going to kill you. But the problem that they have is that you got to stop the run. Because A-Chain. I have a question. Is he the closest thing we've seen to Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles in a long time?

Or is that a fair assessment or am I tripping? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, he's a. There have been very few running backs that you can look back and say, you know what? He's a threat. Yeah. He's a, he's a, there've been very few running back that I can, that you can look back and say, you know what? He's a threat to hit his head on the goalpost every time he touched the ball.

He know he really is. I mean, Ocho, the dude got 130, 140 yards on 10 carries. That's, that's college. That's high school. You don't do that in the NFL. Remember he goes for 203 on like less than 20 carries against the Broncos. He has seven, eight carries against a buffalo 401 so he's put together the 100 yard games and he might have 40 carries and got damp got over 400 yards already that's crazy and then you got you got reek out there and you got waddle and you got barrios and you got the tight man i mean, they're loaded, but it's going to be a great matchup, but I was very impressed.

I think 49ers. I've had the 49ers number one on my power ranking. They did nothing to disappoint me to say I should move them down. Number one? Yes. And your power ranking for what? NFC teams, you mean? Total, overall overall they're

number one for me over the chiefs how you how did they leapfrog the chiefs like that just curious yeah see i i throw last year out the way that we starting this year okay we started this year all over all over you think right now you think right now the chiefs are better team than the niners right now okay and we sit here talk. If you want to go that route, if you think the Chiefs are not better than the 49ers right now, then how did you leapfrog the 49ers over the Eagles? Oh, I'm not leapfrogging them. I'm just saying my eye test.

I'm watching these teams. I'm watching everybody play. Now, you watched everybody. I understand the Eagles are 5-0. You got the Eagles at 5-0 and they're under 49ers. Yes, I do. Because what is the eye test? Because at the end of the day, until they play each other,

but right now, what does your eyes tell you? Okay, the eye test tells me that the 49ers are a great football team and there is no weakness. But then when you look at the Eagles, the Eagles are a great football team with no weakness. And if the Eagles and the 49ers are to play, the personnel

that the Eagles have I think will be better suited to play the 49ers than any other team in the NFL. Any other team because the personnel they have, especially that interior they had to work with. The D-line.

Oh, my goodness. Because both of them have great D-line and O-line. Because you go on D-line, you go Jalen Carter, and you go Fletcher Cox, and you go Sweat. You go those guys, Brandon Graham. So that would be a great matchup. Let's turn to the AFC. Chiefs, Dolphins, and Bengals, they win. Bills, Ravens lose. Let's turn to the afc chiefs dolphin bingles chiefs dolphins and bingles

they win bills raven lose let's start with the chiefs first uh look like travis kelsey aborted a major injury i thought it was something really really serious because he had the way he planted and he just gave himself up so i'm like oh please don't let it be. And, you know, he's like, damn it. But they win. Mahomes 31-41, 281, two touchdowns. What was the big takeaway for you in that game? Big takeaway for me in that game is when you have somebody like Patrick Mahomes, when you have arguably the best player,

one of the best players to ever play the position, it makes everyone else's job so much easier, regardless of the circumstance, regardless of what's going on, regardless of who goes out and who comes in. He reminds me of that piece that they had in New England at one point who played there for 20 years. Like no matter who comes in, there's one piece of that puzzle that will always remain the same and will always give you a chance no matter what's around him, And that was Patrick Mahomes.

And he showed that again today. Again today. When you have that guy, I played with a guy, John, with my John Elway, my quarterback. When you have that guy, even from a defensive standpoint, you know, even if we're down 10, we're down 14, we got a chance. All we got to do is get a stop. We score, we get another stop, give the ball back to seven.

That's what Brady built. Brady would play bad the entire game. Except when it counted most. But he needs two drives in order to give his team a win. Oh, you might as well book it. You book it. The funny thing about it is those are pressure situations and for some reason

certain quarterbacks like Mahomes, Brady, Elway, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, it's a small select few that always rise to the occasion

and what we would consider even as a former athlete, pressure situations. And I think that's a bad thing for other quarterbacks on other teams because you hold them to such a high standard that you expect that type of play consistently out of them like we

do the great ones and that that's really not that's really not the makeup and the landscape of everybody at the position in the nfl and i at times i think it's not for and not fair boy they better be glad uh my home didn't get de-hopped. Can you imagine if he had a true number one receiver? Yeah, that would have been nasty. That would have been nasty. That would have been nasty. The Dolphins hammered the Giants.

The Giants passed the 2,000 Rams as the most yards through five games. Devon A-Chan had 151 yards on 11 carries. The Dolphins had 222 rush yards on the day. Tua continues. He's still in the lead for my MVP. 22 of 30, 308, two touchdowns, two interceptions. Tyreek, nine for a buck, 81, another touchdown. What did you like about the Dolphins?

Being able to pick up where they left off, knowing that what happened against the Bills, that wasn't them. That wasn't them. Again, and I just talked to you, we were just talking about, we talked about how well the 49ers are playing. Yes. This is what I say with the Dolphins. When you play against a team that knows your tendencies, that has the personnel to stop you, you're not playing against the Bills every week, week in and week out.

I think what we saw from the Dolphins today, they will be able to execute in that manner against any and everybody else they play that is not part of their division. Yes. Any and everybody. Anybody outside of the, outside of the Bills. And no, I don't think the Jets have anything to stop them. Yeah, because I don't think the Jets can put enough fear in them offensively. No, no.

New England doesn't have enough to stop them. No. So that was beautiful from them, especially that the running game was going well. Tyreek Waddle catching passes. Barrios is catching passes on third downs, keeping the chains moving. Like, what do you do?

How do you stop that? Yeah. I mean, this game would have really got out of hand had Tua not thrown those two bad interceptions because the Giants scored their first. The Giants have yet to score through five weeks, an offensive touchdown in the first half. They got their own lone touchdown this year in the first half on 102-yard pick six. I saw something today.

And you can take this however you want to, people out there listening. I don't think Daniel Jones is a very good quarterback. And you can take this however you want to, people out there listening. I don't think Daniel Jones is a very good quarterback. But his offensive line is worse at blocking than he is at quarterback. And now you got a match made in hell. I'm paying him $40 million if he can finish the season upright. I mean, because I watched this game very closely today, Ocho. I was watching.

That man take three steps, his back foot hit, and the guy hitting him in the back is here. Yeah, every time. I tweeted it out. I tweeted it out at some point. I tweeted it out. Oh, my goodness. They going to get Daniel Jones hurt. And right after my tweet, everybody sent me, oh, Daniel Jones just went out. They were hitting him upside the head over and over.

You can only take so much punishment for so long. We only in week five, man. We only in week five. Hold on. Think about what you said. You're in week five, and the Giants have allowed 30 sacks. Already. So let's go.

Okay, you go to 10, that's 60. You go to 15 games, that's 90. So you tell me what quarterback. They're going to have to have an eight-man roster with just quarterbacks. Because there ain't no quarterback going to be able to... You think a quarterback can take that many hits? I'm saying sack. I'm not saying how many times

they've been hit. I'm saying the Giants have allowed 30 sacks. So how many hits have they allowed? I feel, you know what, bro, like I said, I feel bad for the man. Because that's what they're paying him for. So how about this?

How about maybe he's not that bad of a quarterback, but the fact that he continues to get hit so much, gets sacked so much, it takes away from his ability to actually play the position at his highest level because of that. I'm just asking. I'm just saying. I'm not taking up for him. I'm just asking. I'm just saying. I'm not taking up for him.

I'm just asking. No, that might be the case. But I think what he should do is find out what the Minnesota Vikings' favorite charity is and donate some money because they got him paid what he did in that playoff game. That got him paid. That's what got him paid. One game.

They disregarded everything that they had solved up until that point right and said you know what this is who we can be moving forward right so but you pay it's like it's like i'm worth i'm worth 40 million dollars but i live in a dilapidated building and i wonder why i got i i got i got breathing in mold and asbestos and rats are walking. Look at that offensive line. That offensive line is terrible. Terrible. Listen, it's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate, especially today. Today is showing, especially after Evan Neal came out and said what he said,

and to have a day like today, you know, where your quarterback goes out. I wouldn't even talk. Your quarterback goes out and he leaves the game with an injury. Like pride alone, pride in itself, should have you blocking anything trying to get to him. The Giants offensive linemen, they shouldn't even talk. They should hold up cue cards. Say, we're not going to talk until we win a game.

I mean, y'all getting that man hit. They hitting that man everywhere but the bottom of his feet. They hit him, like you said, they hit him inside his head. They hit him in his back. They hit him in his ass. They hit him in his thigh, ankles. The only thing he didn't get hit was his cleats. Bottom of his feet.

What do you do? What's the answer? Because Tyrod Taylor came and he tried to do what he could. He tried to move the ball, tried to move it efficiently. And they hammering him. He went get it. Tyrod was getting hit too. You know Tyrod come to the game all dressed up, man.

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Listen to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get to your team. The Bengals bounce back in a big way joe burrow 36 to 46 317 three touchdowns jamar chase three touchdowns coming in the week uh uh he has set a bingos record 15 catches a buck 92 three tub like you told him last week pardon my pardon my pardon don't pardon me go ahead and say i'm always open it. Go ahead and say it. But I'm always open. He said, what did he say, Ocho? I'm always open.

I'm always fucking open. And he meant every word of it. He meant every word of it. He meant it. And Joe was looking for him, and he did a great job of getting open and staying open. And the Bengals needed this. They needed a game to like, okay, this is us. This is

the way we're supposed to play. This is the way Joey B is supposed to do it. This is the way Jamar Chase, because here's the thing. Remember T. Higgins? I don't think T. Higgins played. Did T. Higgins play? I don't think T. Higgins played. T. Hurt. Irwin. Irwin played. Irwin had a big day,

but Boyd was huge for him in the slot. And so now Chase knows, bro, I got to stand tall. I got to be what my jersey number says, receiver number one. I got to be him for real. Because I ain't got my brother on the other side that's going to lift anything. Hey, anytime you see one, Joey, if you see one guy on me, throw it. If you see two guys on me, throw it.

If you see three guys on me and two of them back turn, throw it. What you saw today, I like the creativity, obviously, that they were doing offensively. I think the Cardinals, I'm not sure what the Cardinals were thinking. There were a few times they tried to bracket him, and it didn't work on that third touchdown in the back of the end zone. They tried to bracket him, but it was too late. Joey had to flush a little bit.

He was able to find him a little late. The other plays, I don't know. Was it Coy? No, it wasn't Coy. That touchdown over the top. Yeah, I'm like, bro, safety. You got to get on your horse. He was on his horse.

Chase is just that fast. The front side safety squatted for no reason. Bro, you got to keep sinking. You know what? The slot dude was... He was covered.

I'm not sure why he even dropped down to even try to cover that. Thank you. There was no point. He was already... Thank you. There was no point. But... That's called

overcoaching. They needed that game. Idiot. The Bills after a big game last week, Josh Allen, 27-40, 359, two touchdowns, one interception. The Buffalo Bills,

15 yards on 10 carries. They lose to the Jags. Was that bad Bills or good Jags? I think it's good Jag defense because that defense is very good. The Jag defense is very good. And obviously, they are potent on offense as well with Calvin Ridley, Travis Etienne, and we know what Trevor Lawrence can do. They got Christian Kurtz.

They got Jones. They got Zay Jones. They got Evan Ingram. They've done a great job. Dougie P has done a great job of surrounding Trevor with some nice pieces of Calvin Ridley on that big third down. He runs the goal route from the slot.

And my grandma used to always say, Ocho, boy, if you leave your door open, flies come in. If you impress coverage, you cannot open the door. Flies will come in your house. So if you're in a press position, either press. If you're not going to press, back your butt up. Because what did he do? He opened the door.

Flies came in his house. 39 yards later Calvary really had a first down listen I always say as a former DB myself if you're going to press you got to get your hands on him or at least try

do something don't get up there and be pretty because you're not going to be able to shadow nobody from up that close no and that's my thing guys get up there

do you realize what you've done is that if you get in a press position and you open the door he's already even with you at least if you were back he would have to run to catch up with your toes so just think about what you've done now you're in a you're in a he's going he's going that way you You're going to have to turn and open your hips. It's not Mary Benny DB in the history of the game. There have been a few. Maybe time and a Daryl Green that can turn, open the hips, and just be in your hip pocket.

Foot to foot. But most of the time, yes. Most of the time, you're not going to be able to do that. It ain't happening. So if you're going to get up there in that press position, you got to put hands on that man. Yeah. Yeah.

I think the outcome of the game, I'm not sure if it would have been different because the bills were able to throw the ball. They were able to throw the ball a little bit, but you got to establish a running game. You got to establish a running game to keep the defense honest. You got to establish a running game. If you can't establish a running game,

it makes everything that much easier from a defensive standpoint on what plays are called because, okay, we're not even blitzing like that and our front four is really stopping you. Ed, all of us had a fucking day. Oh, excuse me. My bad. Yeah. You know what? I think Matt Milano getting injured really hurt them because now you saw the Jags

because he's good at run stuffing and he can drop in pass coverage. So now you take the heartbeat of that defense out. Remember, just think, and I was saying the build is going to get even better because of the way Milano was playing, and they're about to get Von Miller back. So now you got a guy that can turn the lights out of the building and you don't have to do anything for him, and you got Milano playing at an all-pro level.

And now he goes down, he's lost from the season, broken, I think it said fibula or tibia, and possible ACL damage. We're hoping that's not the case, but it looks like he's done for the season. But you're right. Buffalo is going to have to find some resemblance of a run game. You just can't ask Josh to drop back and throw the ball 40, 50 times a game and expect to win. No, no.

I mean, it's possible. It's possible, especially with what they have offensively, but you can be playing. You can be playing a team that is really, really good on defense and really has a very, very good offense and expect to win by not running the ball.

That's not going to happen. Now you playing the Broncos, somebody like that. I understand. And no disrespect to them. I'm just saying playing the Broncos, somebody like that, I understand. No disrespect to them. I'm just saying, based on what they've showed this year, there are certain teams you can get away with that. You could not have a run game and just throw the ball up and down the field.

I think the problem that, the reason why I say Buffalo can't do that, because Josh is turnover prone. And the more time you ask him to put the ball in the air, the greater the chances are he's going to turn it over. So, I wouldn't ask him to put the ball in the air, the greater the chances are he's going to turn it over. So I wouldn't ask him to do that, but they've got to get some

resemblance of a running game. The Ravens and Lamar Jackson fall apart offensively and they lose to the Steelers. What happened to Baltimore? We'll touch on the Steelers in a minute. What happened to Baltimore? Again, like I told you, those divisional games.

Those divisional games, playing Steelers, Ravens, it's always like that. It's dirty. It's grimy. Nothing about it is pretty. And you get situations like that. In the fourth quarter, when you need it most, at times, it's very difficult. It's very difficult when you have someone that knows what you do. They at times is very difficult. It's very difficult when you have someone that knows what you do, they know what you do well,

they know how to counter everything that you are going to do, and they know how to stop it. Then you have the personnel in that AFC North. You have the personnel on how to deal with Lamar, how to deal with the runs, how to deal with the RPOs, the play actions. And that's just how those games go in that division. And it's always that way. The games are always close.

It's never pretty. It ain't never pretty in the scoring and it's never high. And Cleveland, the Browns, the Bengals, the Steelers, every game they play is always like that. Very seldom is it a high-scoring, a pretty game like we saw tonight with the Cowboys in the 90s. Yeah, never a blowout like that. Always close.

Close and ugly. But the Ravens had this game. They did, yeah. Right before the half. It's fourth down. They're 22nd on the clock, and the Ravens try to get cute. Kick the field goal.

Don't talk about, well, we didn't want to give them a chance. Bro, if they go down the field in 16 seconds, if Kenny Pickett can take them down the field and get in field goal range, that's your defense. That's on your defense. You got cute.

The center snapped the ball when he wasn't supposed to. And then you end up getting no points. They dropped five passes. Everybody knows Nelson Aguilar. His nickname is 50-50. There's a 50% chance he catch it. There's a 50% chance he drop

it. Okay? He had a goalball for a touchdown. He dropped it. That's him. Go back and look. Go back and look at it with the Raiders. Go back and look at That's him. Go back and look at it with the Raiders. Go back and look at the Patriots. Go back and look at it with the Eagles. I'm not making this stuff up. He has more retriever

than receiver. Retriever will pick up something that you throw out there and bring it back to you. A receiver will catch it. So he has more retriever in him. I'll bring it back to you after he's hit the ground as opposed to catching it on the fly. Don't talk about Madal like that. Don't do him like that.

Listen, we all drop balls. We all drop balls. But the one he dropped, it was magnified because it was a very important catch that would have given them six points. It would have given them six points. Rashad Bateman also had an important drop in the end zone as well. They had five drops. They had five drops.

But Lamar threw a horrible interception, Ocho. You can't throw the back shoulder and miss inside. The reason why you throw the back shoulder is because the guy is inside. Right. You cannot miss that bad, Lamar. You've got to. You've got. That's third down, Ocho. At worst case scenario, we've got to come away with points.

Forget, even if we don't score a touchdown, Ocho, we can't end the drive with a turnover. We just can't. Shit happens. You've been in that position before. Maybe not in the position of playing quarterback, but understanding the mistakes that happen in pressure situations like that when you want to win, when you want to be precise,

when you want to throw that ball on the back shoulder, on, on that, that upfield shoulder away from the DB, sometimes it doesn't come out right. And that was, that was the result. That was the results for the day.

Bro, he's lost his seventh fumble of the season. He's got to do a better job of taking care of the football. Ocho. We can't look, here's the thing. This is what, this is what the coaches always said.

Look, guys are going to get beat. They get paid, too. But let's not exacerbate a situation. If a guy gets beat, if a guy misses a play, don't exacerbate it by fumbling the football, by giving them the ball. Let's just make sure we hold on to the ball and either punt it away or get another crack at them. He's got to do a better job. And I'm going to say something that's very unpopular right now. Let me ask you a question. I'm going to take T.J. Watt and what he's

been doing the last five years, and I'm going to put him on the Cowboys. And I'm going to take Micah Parson with what he's been doing, and I'm going to put him on the Steelers. Right. What you think? You still getting the same production? I think

T.J. Watt is better. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I say you still getting the same production. Bro. You still getting the same. T.J. Watt had 22 and a half sacks. Go look at the numbers. Go look at the numbers. Go look at the numbers. You say I'm getting the same

production. Look at the sack numbers. I'm just, okay, how long has Michael been in the league? Three years? This is year three. It's only year three. It's only year three. Okay, let's look at, we're going to put up the sacks. We're going to put up the sack

totals. We're going to tackle for losses. We're going to put up four fumbles. Because all I know is T.J. Watt is kicking down the door every day. Every time. Every time, no matter who they playing. I mean, he and Minka Fitzpatrick are the Steelers' defense. They are the Steelers' defense. High Smith was outstanding today also.

High Smith had a big strip sack. today also. Highsmith had a big script set. But I believe if T.J. Watt was doing what he's doing in Pittsburgh, was doing it for the Cowboys, because you got to understand, the Cowboys are on TV every

effing Sunday because they draw. So everybody, Fox want them on, CBS want them on, NBC wants them on, ESPN wants them on. It was a time to stay over like that, though, now. It was the time. Yeah, there was. But the Cowboys have always been like that.

Even when the Cowboys was bad, the Cowboys was on TV. For real? Because of that fan base. Absolutely. Okay, okay, okay. Absolutely. Yeah, that was before me. Right now, my eyes, on a consistent basis it tells me

TJ Watt is better than Micah you know what everything and I love Micah everything is based off stats everything is based off stats and that's all we have to go off of that's all we have to go off of but I think if you were to ask defensive coordinators or ask other defensive

ends just off an eye test, they are both phenomenal. They're both good. So it's like it's a hard choice for me. We judging a beauty contest. We can't have two Miss Americas. We can't have two Miss Universes.

You got to pick one? You got to pick one. I like Michael Parsons. I mean, that's nothing against T.J. Watt. That's like saying Rihanna, Beyonce. Well, goddamn, either way you go, you can't go wrong. You got to take one. It's based on preference.

No preference. How about this? How about this? I got one better for you. Michael Jordan or LeBron? Y'all already know. Stop playing with me. You know,

go James. Where's that? See, but either way, either way, no matter which way you go, you still can't go wrong. You still right.

One of the few times where it's a win, it's a win, win. It's a win, win. Either way. Okay. So if you had to rank the AFC right now,

how would you rank them? Chiefs, obviously. I had to. Over your Dolphs, obviously. I had the... Over your Dolphins? Yeah. I thought you loved the Dolphins. I do.

I love the Dolphins, but I am also... I want to stay within reality, too, based on, you know, those who've had two Super Bowls in the last four years. Chiefs, my Dolphins. I like to say my Bengals are back on track.

I like to say my Bengals. So you got them in front of the Bills? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. And obviously I had the Bills right after that. I would go Dolphins, Chiefs, Bills.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. ITES. ITES? I'm just going ITES. I'm just going ITES. I'm just going ITES. I'll stay with that. I test. I test. I test. I'm just going to I test. Okay, okay. I'm just going to I test. I'm just going to I test.

I'll stay with that. I'll stay with that. I got Dolphins, Chiefs, Bills, Jags, Bengals. Come on. Come on. Come on now with the bullshit now. I don't even curse because I'm saved, on come on now with the bullshit now I don't even curse cause I'm saved

but here you go with the bullshit Jags bingos Jags bingos I thought you I thought you were doing the eye test I do the eye

so if you doing the eye test if you doing the eye test I was watching the bingos my eyes were crossed I've been watching the bingos they be going all over I be like well damn

what y'all doing this for so that's why that's why I had to put this fire. So, that's why I'm at with that one on y'all. Y'all be all over the place on y'all, so I don't know what y'all

want to give y'all. Come on, man. Man, you got me sweating up in here. Hey. Joy. Hey. Hey, don't do my boy. Oh, shit.

My stomach hurt. I mean, considering, Ocho, you know there was a point in time that you guys weren't in the top five. It took a performance like today just to get y'all to five for me. That's what I kept trying to tell you, though. I kept trying to get you to understand. I know what you're seeing right now is not really us, and I kept trying to tell you and explain that to you.

Don't worry about what's going on at the beginning of the season. We always start 0-2. You know y'all got the 49ers, right? Who? Y'all got the 49ers, right? Who? Y'all got the 49ers. We're going to win that game, too. Oh, let me get something on it right now. Let's do dinner right now. Let's bet.

I'm not even a gambling man, but I bet whatever. I bet whatever. I guarantee, and I'm standing on business. I'm standing on business. Like Druski say, I guarantee you, we beat the 49ers.

And we going, and we going to Levi's stadium. I don't even wear Levi's. I wear, I only wear 501s. Yeah, I do. They're going to beat,

they're going to beat the blue jeans off you. Well, it's one thing, it's one thing you, if you know about this NFL, week in and week out, ain't no telling the team that you expect to win each thing. It's one thing. If you know about this NFL, week in and week out, ain't no telling the team that you expect to win each week. It don't always go the way you think it's going to go.

And I'm telling you right now because I got the script. If you a betting man, listen to me. Don't listen to Shannon. I guarantee you, when they get done with y'all, I bet they beat the back pockets off y'all jeans. You'll see. See, when I was crumpled up, I know you didn't know anything about the most smooth booties the women had

jeans that didn't have back pockets on them we call them smooth booties nah so when they get done with y'all y'all don't have no back pockets on the back of y'all jeans you'll see what's the bet what's the bet make it light make it light on yourself now make it light on yourself I won't

uh we better band let's better band now. Make a light on yourself. I want a... We better ban. Let's better ban. Ban? You talking about March 100? You know, I tell you what I want. This is what I want. I want... I tell you what.

This is what we're going to do. I want to bet $100. And I want you to pay mine off in Buffalo nickels. Buffalo nickels? Yeah, because I want you to go to the bank and ask the cashier, can you get $100 of Buffalo nickels? And she's going to say,

Mr. Johnson, why do you need Buffalo nickels? And then you're going to say, because I lost a bet to Shannon Sharp. See, I don't want your money. I want your pride. See, damn your money. I got money. I want your pride. I want you to go explain to damn your money. I got money. I want your pride.

I want you to go explain to people why you need $100 worth of Buffalo Nichols. Listen, I'm never wrong when it comes to the game of football. You don't understand. I have the script. Say better. And the way the season is going,

you know next week, not this weekend, the weekend after, because we played the Seah season is going, you know, next week, not this weekend, the weekend after, because we played the Seahawks first, and then we got, wait, we want to see. No, y'all wait. It's like a month away before y'all play the big people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. When did they play?

I thought it was the 15th. No, the 15th we played the Seahawks. Then we played the 49ers. Then we got the bye week. Or I might be wrong. In two weeks. In two weeks. So I'm right.

Yes. Yeah, see, I told you. Yeah. Seahawks come to us, then we go to Levi's Stadium. And we finna win. Y'all got a bye. It's in three weeks. So y'all play Seattle, bye, then the 49ers. So I was right then.

I was right. You know what it is. You was right when y'all played, but you're going to be right that y'all going to weeks. Okay. So y'all play Seattle by then 49ers. Okay, so I was right then. I was right. You know what it is. You was right when y'all played, but you're going to be right that y'all going to win. Bet. Bet is on. Oh, we see. And bet that band, too. Go ahead.

Bet that band. Bet. Okay. Bet it. You feel like you said something. Yeah, bet. I just want Sherell to know that's $1,000 off that gift. Sherell, your gift just cost $1,000 less because he just lost some money.

I'm going to get the ban from her if I do lose. That ain't got nothing to do with me. It's going to spend the same. The Broncos lose again to the Jets. We all know what Sean Payton said earlier in the offseason. It was the worst coaching job about Nathaniel Hackett. He's now the offensive coordinator for the Jets. He was formerly the head coach of the Broncos.

And Sean Payton and Russ exchanged words on the sideline. Is this marriage going to end after this season? Or do they start like, you know what? We know we're going to end it after this season or do they do they start like you know what we know we're going to end it after this season and then we just go ahead and just start try to get caleb william wait they can't end it how they gonna end it they just paid him oh they get enough money he's gonna be he's not gonna be in denver after this year they just paid him how How are you going to go anywhere? I don't know how to cap stuff working and dead money and all that stuff.

The Packers are eating 50 million in dead money. Right. Or Aaron Rodgers. Did you see what they did with Nick Foles? All that dead money that the Eagles ate and Indy ate? They don't care nothing about that, man.

They eat that dead money. Caleb Williams to Denver, is that what we doing? Yep. Might as well. Wait, already? Yeah. Hey, y'all be throwing. I mean, y'all be throwing in the towel, we, y'all, we, well, we, we, y'all be throwing in the towel so early, man.

Man, you watching Russ. You watching, okay, what chance do the Broncos have? You watching Russ play. Russ can't move anymore. What made Russ unique was his ability to skate the rush. Russ, Russ can't outrun me. He can't get away from his kids. If his kids, his two and three-year-olds

start chasing him, they catch him. What are you watching the game? I'm not telling you anything, Ocho, that people don't see. People, I mean, sometimes they show you, but I'm just telling you, what do you see? Russ cannot get away from the rush anymore. It's hard for me to even say,

and I'm trying to conjure up something to defend Russ Witt, but it's hard. Well, go ahead. Try it. Because at first, it was Nathaniel Hackett. Remember, it was Nathaniel Hackett.

He should have been the coordinator. He should have been the head coach. He should have called plays. So now, I'm not saying that he's not, Sean Payton is not without blame here now because here's the problem that Russ has. Sean Payton coaches hard. Russ has never been coached like that.

You see, it's easier to be coached hard and go somewhere easy as opposed to being somewhere easy and then being coached hard. Well, I mean, he's been playing football all his life. And I'm sure at some point along that journey, he's had a coach that is a little hard on him. You can't be soft about it, especially at this level.

You just told me. Now, I remember you and I was having a conversation earlier when we first started Nightcap. You said they talk to the quarterbacks differently. They treat the quarterbacks differently. They treat the quarterback differently. Now you got to. You're not supposed to. I mean, as you know, you know, that's a rule.

Call the rule number one. You never chastise your quarterback in front of the team or other players. You just don't. That's the way. Publicly. Yeah, publicly. Yeah, you just don't. Right.

But Sean Payton coaches hard. Right, right, right, right. Bill Parcells is his mentor. Yeah, Tom Coughlin. Okay. Okay. He also, guess who else learned up on Parcells? Bill Belichick.

Yeah. Now, what did you say Bill Belichick did with Tom Brady the first time, that first meeting? Oh, man, he let him have it in front of the whole team. And listen, that moment, I understood that everybody in that room was expendable. Everybody in that room was expendable. It's the year they lost to the Jets

when Mark Sanchet was the quarterback in the playoffs. Mark Sanchet. Yeah, Rick Ryan was the D coordinator. Man, he said, the whole point of, the season hadn't even started yet. This is the first goddamn meeting. This is the bullshit we can't have

if we're thinking about getting to the Super Bowl. And he put on all the mistakes. Because Russ was careless with the football. Do you realize that Russ has 70 yards passing through three quarters? Yeah. Yeah. But is that not on Sean Payton? And DJ Reed was out of the game.

Look here. I don't care what type. I give you some terrible ingredients. I don't care what type of chef you are. You can't make it taste good. Okay. Boom. Bingo.

First year together. First year together. Getting to know each other. Are we throwing in the towel on that already? On that relationship? Ocho, let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you say, you know what, you and the wife say, you know what, we gonna splurge, you know what, we gonna

go get this pad down in Tampa. That thing 20 million. Are you expecting to do any upgrades or are you expecting to move in? For 20 million, I'm moving in. And everything better be ready. The Broncos ownership,

the Walton-Penner family, they paid a coach $18 million and they're paying a quarterback $47 million. And you talk about we're going to build? We got time to do what? Not if I got $65 million tied up and quarterback and a head coach. I ain't waiting on nothing. Sometimes you can't pay your way

to success. Sometimes you got to work on it. Sometimes you got to work your way through it. It's like when you get married. You have the ceremony. You have the reception. You have the honeymoon. You think things are going to go good. Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it comes down.

But you got to keep on working on it until you find that happy medium right in the goddamn middle, and that's where they at right now. Ocho, it takes a special type of coach to come in and coach. It's almost like dating someone with kids. It's easy.

Man, they made my damn kids. I ain't finna put up with that bull job. Hey, listen. That's something special now. When you date a woman with kids, you know what you don't have to worry about? She's going to always have snacks in the cupboard. She's going to always have some snacks. Okay, snacks in the cupboard. And Sean Payton, like, hold on.

I ain't trade for him. I ain't pay him. You know how coaches like to get their players. Just like a general manager likes to get his coach. New ownership like to get their players. Just like a general manager likes to get his coach. New ownership like to get their coach. I want mine. This is mine. But what is the best fit?

Where's another option outside of Russell Wilson after this season? Where are we going? What are we doing? Think about it. Let's think long-term. What's the long-term answer to the situation right now? I think Sean Payton wants his, he wants his, look. Who? Drew Brees?

Drew Brees ain't walking through that door. No, no, no. Drew was done. Drew had no more tread on the tire. But could I, let me ask you a question. Now, last year, they were two and three. They're one and four. And supposedly, allegedly, they got better coaching.

Allegedly better. Russell was supposed to be better. You tell me Russ looks better this year than he looked last year. And he looked like stir fry last year. Now, right now, he looking like Moo Moo Galpain. Who? Yeah. I ain't even say General Joe's chicken

he muumuu I tell you these Chinese fool nah I don't I don't yeah I don't I don't know them people yeah

he muumuu he ain't even stir fry so we only got the quarter pole of the season are you giving up on Russ are you giving up on the Broncos in general

just asking cause well look the Broncos we look. I understand that we got Sean Payton, but look, they saw Russ. Right.

It's like a fighter. You remember what he once was, but what do you see now? What do you see, Ocho? Listen, sometimes that fighter, they can catch their second win. Sometimes that fighter catches their second win in their seventh round, and all of a sudden you get to round eight, nine, and ten,

eleven, and twelve, and it's a whole different fight. It's a different fighter. Ocho, he can't beat good teams anymore. He'll beat teams that are inferior. But when have the Broncos won a game that they weren't supposed to win? They were supposed to beat Chicago. When was the time the Broncos won a game in the last two years and you say, man, we weren't supposed to win that one,

but we won that one. You were supposed to beat Chicago. I don't know. Let me tell you what the good quarterbacks do. They normally, 90% of the time, beat the team that they're supposed to beat. And it's 50-50. They win 75% of those.

That's what the really good ones do. You know what else the really good ones have? No, I'm not even going to go there. You're right. I'm going to leave it at that. You're right. I mean, think about it. Look here.

The Broncos gave up three first-round picks, three second-round picks, a fifth-round pick. They gave him five years, $245 million, $165 guaranteed. They gave Sean Payton five years, $100 million. And all of this to be one and four? They got six wins in their last 22 games. Somebody gots to go. You know what?

That family that bought the Broncos, they're business people, right? Yes. And you know when it comes to business, sometimes you put your money in their stuff and it don't turn out the way you want it to right away just because you invested a certain amount into it. Sometimes you got to work.

This the Walton family. Yeah, yeah got to work. This the Walton family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure when the Walton family started, as soon as they put money in the summer, it didn't turn around and you saw a profit right away. Sometimes that happens. Guess what they're doing now? You remember what they did in the pandemic?

They closed some Walmarts. The less profitable Walmarts, they closed them mofos down. I don't know if you understand, they have things what they call a write-down. That thing losing, we'll write it up, we're gone. Hey, you say you financial, your financial people told you about writing things down, right?

You put it in this year, and it goes into this year, so next year you start with a clean slate. You better stop playing. You say you like chess. So they play chess. Everybody else looking at it as checkers. I'm telling you now, I ain't – hey, think I'm playing when I ain't. That's crazy how the business work, though.

It's crazy. It's crazy how the business work. Two years, they already ready to fold on you already. Yes! Ocho, we don't have time. It's too much money. i can't let you drag i can't let you get another 45 million of my dollars for another three and third three and 14 season i can't do that you know what's gonna happen this is the thing there really is no answer because if you do go somewhere else you do get another quarterback you go draft the rookie you're still gonna be in the

same boat that's like saying a woman pushing you to get married and she say well you're taking too long to ask me you leave and go there with somebody else and he ain't gonna ask you either so you're still stuck in the same goddamn situation but guess what i already i already know i already know i've been with you for two years so if you ain't gonna make the move so i already know what i'm gonna get i'm gonna go somebody else they might see you said I can't find anybody better. Who's to say I can't? I'm not going to be that. Oh, so you want me to be beholden because I'm unafraid to go try to find

something better. Well, statistically speaking, the chance that you find something better is slim to none based on statistics. Hold on. You're talking about Russ. And based on Russell Wilson. You're talking about Russ. And based on Russell Wilson. You're talking about Russ five years ago. You don't think I can find anything better than this Russell Wilson right now?

Right now? You don't think I can? Right now, as hard as it is to have a decent quarterback in this NFL? No, I'm saying you saying I can't find next year a quarterback that can give me better at this production, if not better, for a cheaper price than what Russell. Are you telling me that right now? What are you going to find?

I'm just don't worry about that. Don't you worry about see, there you go. Well, who you talking to? See, that's how the women that want to. Who you talking to? Don't worry about that. Don't you worry about who I'm talking to. I'm not going to be talking to you no more. That's all you need to worry about. Don't worry about who I might be talking to. I'm not going to be talking to you no more. That's all you need to worry about. Don't worry about who I might be talking to.

I might not be talking to nobody, but it won't be you. One thing about the NFL, they always feel, well, everybody's replaceable. Everybody's replaceable. Thank you.

Everybody's replaceable. Let's start there. Everybody's replaceable, but the quarterback position, you understand the landscape. Players coming out of college, quarterbacks that are in the NFL now, some that are not in the NFL

at this moment, you understand how difficult it is to find one that is efficient. You know how difficult that is, right? And you're making it sound so easy. Ocho, I got 10 million in my pocket. There ain't no houses that I'm looking like, but one might become available a little later.

How do we know Kyler Murray don't become available? How do we know that? Why would Kyler Murray, if Kyler Murray becomes available, he'll be playing for the Arizona Cardinals because he gives them their best chance to win. Who gives the Broncos their best chance to win right now, even though things aren't going well, even at one and four? What are the quarterback out there?

I'm not talking about right now. I'm saying moving forward. Listen, this year, no. But I do not believe Russell Wilson will be in Denver next year. I don't believe Russell is the long-term answer to what the Broncos want or need. That is my personal opinion. The man has 70 yards through three quarters. 70.

So that's all his fault. So let me ask you a question. See, you keep saying it's all his fault. I'm just asking you, is it all his fault? I mean, this is a team game offensively. But let me ask you a question. See, you keep saying it's all his fault. I'm just asking you, is it all his fault? I mean, this is a team game offensively. But let me ask you a question. How many come from behind wins you got? Or they gave that to Carson?

You see that, see? Russell got 40 game winning drives. How many receivers got? How many the O-line got? Oh, oh, so it's not all his fault but he get all the credit okay i see yes you i like i like how you flip that on me though that was a good one that was a good one patriots worst shutout loss in the belichick era matt jones over the last two games four interceptions two pick sixes a fumble return for a touchdown. He threw for 150 yards against Dallas.

He threw for 110 yards against New Orleans. Zero touchdowns. Benched twice. And outscored 69-3. How much longer does Coach Belichick stick with Mike Jones? You can't just keep benching a quarterback and keep sticking him back out there the next week. You can't do that, Ocho.

You can't. Who are they going to put in there? Zeppi? Bailey Zappi. Zappi? I said it wrong. You drafted it. Bailey Zappi.

Zappi. Obviously, they got Mac Jones starting for a reason because they feel Mac Jones gives them the best chance to win, but obviously it's not happening. You remember last year they benched Mac Jones. Yeah. Shoot, they benched him last week too. them the best chance to win, but obviously it's not happening. Especially based off what we saw. Yeah, shoot, they benched them last week too. They benched them last week too. No, they actually benched them for a game.

They benched them for, at the start of the game. Not during the game. The start of the game. How much longer? Fans were booed. Look here. The Patriots fans should not boo at all. You've had the longest stretch of prosperity in NFL history. Do you understand from 2001 until 2019, what happened?

You went to nine Super Bowls you won six you shouldn't boo you should say you know what hey I don't care what happened because nothing can take bro do you understand how great you've

had it yeah I think they understand but obviously it's the winning ways it's the winning ways you're spoiled now you ever have a woman that you continuously just do for and do for and do for do for and things are always good so you're always expecting good you're always expecting things to be perfect and it's just not it's just not the case that's not the landscape or the dynamic of that team right now even Even the expertise and brilliance of the coaching mind of Bill Belichick can't fix the situation going on over there right now

until you get a quarterback that is efficient. And I'm not trying to say Mac Jones is not competent, but one that doesn't turn the ball over. You're not going to have a chance to win. You're just not. Brady could make, obviously he had guys that could really play but brady could elevate guys that were just if they were anybody else they would be here right he could get them to here that's not what mac jones mac jones need great

players to elevate him right jaylen waddle devontae smith Najee Harris. Obviously, the coaching is a push. But you look at what he had to elevate him. Now he doesn't have that level of talent to elevate him. He needs to be elevated. Tom Brady could elevate. That's the funny thing about college, which is very scary when it comes to drafting players. You don't know what you're going to get from the quarterback because once you get to the nfl the level of talent evens out it evens out and if you don't have true superstars you never know how

good that quarterback going to be because ain't no telling what's going to happen because you have you have good players around you yeah i mean you're on the pages you have good players around you but you have to play at such a different level to make sure your team has a chance and that's just not what they're getting that's just not what they're getting okay let's talk about this drake joe budden's beef joe budden took a shot at Drake, said he's making music for children, completely disregarding his older fan base. Why are you still effing the 25-year-old? You a 37-year-old billionaire.

37-year-old billionaire. Who side you on? I love everybody. I like Joker, Joker rap. Joker rap. Joker rap. He can do his thing when it's time to get on that mic. I love Drake. Drake is great.

One of the best artists of this generation. Maybe of all goddamn time in general, based on the run that he's on right now. Longevity and consistency and understanding what it's going to take to remain at the top. And he's been able to do that. Not very many artists can do that. He's evolved.

His sound has evolved with the times to make sure the fan base continues to carry. Sound like you on Drake's side. Listen, I just told you I love both. I love both. I love both. But my thing is that Drake is making music look I own a podcast

and when sponsors and advertisers reach out I send a deck they want to know they want to know the demographics okay what's the

18 to 25 year old 24 year old looking like what's the 25 to 34 what's the 35 to 44 what's the 45 to 54 what that looking like right how much how many what's the 25 to 34? What's the 35 to 44? What's the 45 to 54? What that looking like? Right.

How much, how many, what's the percentage out of men? What's the percentage out of women? What's the percentage of education? Are they married? Right. College degree? All that. So Drake is looking at it like, hold on.

The people that streaming and buying my music is in this demographic. Right, right, right. I'm going to make, advertisers advertisers who the advertisers appealing to every once in a while you get some you get a cat you get a catalan commercial but most of the time they're appealing to people 18 to 24 25 to 34 okay i think i think maybe joe maybe joe holds drake to a higher standard than everybody else. But if you look at other rappers and what they rap about, the content that they rap about, it's similar to the same thing, regardless of age. You know, you have rappers that are 36 and 37 and still rapping about the same thing they were rapping about, you know, 10, 15 years ago. Is it making money?

Yes. So let me ask you a question. That's the goal. So in other words, in five years from now, you want us to change nightcaps, so we just go talk financials. Because I'll be 60, and you'll be five years older. So let's stop talking about this stuff,

and we're going to start talking financials. Right. I mean- That's not what our audience wants to hear from us. Right, right. That's not what Drake's audience wants to hear. Because the audience will tell you what they want. When they stop buying your music, when they stop buying your product, they tell you either you make a shift or we're going to shift for you.

Well, considering Drake is selling out arenas. I know he's selling out sofa and things like that. I mean, come on, bro. Listen, I didn't really get into it heavy. I read about it. I read about it. I heard about it. And I'm like, God damn, what's going on?

And then I listened to what Joe Budden said. Then I listened to Drake fire back at him. I'm like, damn, can't we all get along? Can't we all get along? But see, but think about it. Why is it us? Why do we all... I understand, but the critique... When is the white

podcast going to take the shot at Timberlake? Or Ed Sheeran? They don't move like that. Oh. They don't move like that. Really? Oh, okay. I was just wondering. I mean, normally it's us. We, okay. I was just wondering. I mean, normally

it's us. We like to continue to challenge each other. We love to continue to challenge each other. There's nothing wrong with that. It builds character. You're talking about, well, you're messing with 25-year-olds. I mean, bro, you need to fire a shot. Hold on. How old is Jay-Z? How old is Beyonce?

I guarantee you there's better than a decade difference. For real? What's the problem? I bet you. I bet you a doorknob to a bucket of cow manure, and I'll let you put up the bucket of cow manure. That's how confident I am. A golden doorknob.

Listen, sometimes stuff get like that, get personal. You like what you like? How old is your lady? She younger than you, right? Baby, how old are you? Yeah, she's 36 She'll be 36 on the 16th Yeah

You like what you like? You like what you like? She came after me But you know She came after me She Oh, so bad. But, you know, she came after me. She slid in my DM, though. That's what it was. There was a rose shortage.

They say, oh, you brought out all the roses in Florida. Because I tried to send somebody some. Couldn't get none. Not one. That's what they told me. If it's a lie, I don't know who said it. Jay-Z is 53. Beyonce is 42.

That's good. That's a good number, too. That's a good number. But he said, hold on. He said, why are you messing with the 25-year-olds when you're 37? So what's the difference between 11 and 12? I'm not one of those that always paid attention to numbers. There are people that you're able to deal with.

There are people that are more high maintenance, and you have women that you can deal with that are less maintenance. And because it's you, they're going to be excited to deal with you anyway. And when you go 25 and younger or 25 and like up in that area, you ain't got to do much. You ain't got to do much. You ain't got to do much. Well, Drake, keep living your life.

Joe B, I love you. I love your podcast, but I'm going to rock with Drake on this one. Joe, I love you. Drake, I love you. Man, y'all just keep doing your thing. No, you don't. No, you don't, Drake. He's just trying to be politically correct. He's whistling. He 50-50. He right now, he's whistling.

He don't want no beef. Ain't never picked up no weapon and went to war with nobody. Oh, I'm on your side. I'm on your side. I like you too. I'm not. I'm not. Keep making chocolate and watches. I'm not into beef. Only beef you too. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not in the beef. Keep making chocolate and watches. I'm not in the beef. Only beef I eat is from McDonald's. Whatever.

People are upset that Shadur Sanders for clapping back at the Arizona State section. What? He put that on him. He put that on him. What you talking about, man? Let's go. But hold on.

I guarantee you some of the people that are upset that Shadur was loved when Johnny Manziel was doing this to Rice. When Baker Mayfield. They were loving it. They were loving it. When Baker Mayfield. I mean, why he do it? When Baker Mayfield took the flag.

He planted the flag. Oh, man, I was loving that. I was loving it. I was loving the Johnny M with the, man, don't stop nothing. Don't stop nothing you doing. Continue it. I'm trying to figure out why Danny Canale has been so outspoken

because you know wait Florida State Danny Canale yeah he just keep taking shots at Coach Prime and Shador I don't know what that's about I don't know Danny wait Florida State Prime Florida State

that might be something. That might be a little personal there, man. That might be a little personal. And you remember when Baker was on the sideline, he grabbed his cross. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, hit him with the Marshawn Lynch. We're going to get out of here on this one. Mario Cristobal.

What they doing? Come on now. What we doing, man? Bro, Cristobal. What they doing? Come on now. What we doing, man? Bro, take a knee. What we doing? Take a knee. Oh, we teach balls. We get both hands on the ball. Now the officials say, nah, you be dumb.

We gonna be dumb too. Matter of fact, he was down now. You know he was down. I know you saw the replay. His elbow was down. I'm not he was down. I know you saw the replay. His elbow was down. I'm not sure what the... I don't know what they was doing. I can't reward negative behavior. But I understand.

I don't know what they're doing. Especially, we trying to change... We trying to change the culture and the environment on that University of Football at Miami. Let me tell you how they changed it. When?

Because what was UM known for in the 80s? Winning. Winning. That's what got them on the map. And having fun. When they beat Nebraska in the national title game. And that started it because that was Bernie Kosar and that crew and Highsmith and Mel Bratton.

And then all this started to get the Blaze boys and they got Michael Irvin and they got, it opened the floodgates. And they kept on going. So that's all you got to do is win. And you see the guy on the sideline. He asked, WTF we doing? I'm asking myself and I'm in my bedroom.

What the WTF are y'all doing? I ain't crying though, but I was asking. I don't know. I don't know what that... I mean, teaching ball security and all that stuff means nothing. The whole point, you want to win. You want to win the game, you take a knee. As a matter of fact, seeing stuff

like that, it makes me think, was somebody throwing the game away? Man, I don't even think like that. Listen, I'm just saying, as a coach, your job, at the end away? Man, I don't even like to even think like that. Yeah, listen, I'm just saying, as a coach, your job at the end of the day is to do what you can is to win the game. So who does that in that moment?

Who does that? Somebody trying to get too cute. Somebody think they know more than anybody else. They're the smartest coach ever and just had the worst, that might have been one of the worst college coaching decisions that we'll ever see. That won't top Darryl Bevel and Pete Carroll in the Super Bowl throwing on the one-yard line.

But in college, you got to find one worse than that one. Oh, my goodness. That was bad. That was real bad. That was downright awful. And then the man going to have to say, we talk about two hands on the ball. Really? Really?

If I was the running back, I should have just got it and went down. He should have slid. He should have slid a quarterback slide into the line. Matter of fact, you know what the quarterback should have done? He should have said, forget the play call and just took an E on his own. Yep. Yep. That's what he should have done.

That's what he should have did. Cost them kids a game. Don't you cost them a game. It's hard enough to win a game. Yeah. Without my coach, but my coach helping them. That's a damn.

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