Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Best of NFL News Part 2: NFLPA DRAMA + Browns QB1 announcement

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson dive into the biggest NFL headlines of the week! The surprising news that Kenny Pickett is leading the Browns QB1 race over rookie Shedeur Sanders and recap the NFLPA drama.   0:00 - Anthony Richardson bounce back year? 8:34 - NFLPA union overhaul 25:30 - Kenny Picket to be Browns QB1?    (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Fudd Around and Find Out, a production of I Heart Women's Sports in partnership with unanimous media starting August 7th on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Carly, Ursay Gordon believes 23 yearold Anthony Richardson can still play well enough to justify the Colts lost expectations for him before the draft. Where he is in his career and the deal as a rookie, we still have time. He still has time to prove it, bring a sense of urgency and nothing brings a sense of urgency more than competition.

But before Richardson can prove it on the field, he has to prove it in training camp by beating out Daniel Jones in the Colts quarterback competition. AR career completion percentage is just 50.6 percent. He has 11 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Listen, he has to prove it more than just on the field. He has to prove it more than just in the field. He has to prove it inside the building. Showing the coaches that you're serious about wanting to be quarterback number one for this team. It ain't about just doing it on the field, in the fair room, being the first one to get

there, being the last one to leave that building. When it comes to everything else, um, just, just, he's, he's always, he's been injured a lot. Right. So treatment, getting treatment, doing it, being on time, not missing those. Doing the extra work, stand out for practice. There are so many different things. See the precedent has already

been set on what it takes to be a great quarterback with Peyton Manning. All of them. I mean, I'm quarterback. It's already been said. Oh, Joe, they're getting treatment. They got their playbook. Hey, you have to want it. You got to want it. The same, the same want. Let's see. I'm sure he has a hobby. I'm not sure what his hobby is, but whatever that hobby may be Football got to come first but the same joy and passion and love you have for that hobby You got a port in the football. I agree whatever you have to be that's gonna be there Oh, it's gonna be there because the bogey money that can be made it come from this It come from this you get you got to understand that

So I'm listen The rightness on the wall. You talk about nothing brings the best out of someone like competition. Well, this is more the competition because they just paid someone where it didn't work out in New York and they just bought somebody for one year with 14 million. That's basically telling you your job is in jeopardy or they already written in stone that your job is already is. And no matter what you do,

you might not be able to beat it up. You're right. And if you don't win the starting job here in the internet. Oh, you're going after this year if you don't win the starting job. You won't be a starter again in general. Well, you ain't gonna be no starting Andy if you don't win the starting job. You won't be a starter again, in general. Well, you ain't gonna be no starter in Indy if you don't beat Daniel Jones out.

Because it don't make no sense to keep you. And you look at all the other 31 teams, they are set at the quarterback position. They're set at the quarterback news See the nine never Ocho Yeah now never I Hate saying that too. It's just the reality of it

They put a lot into you they drafted you a lot on potential They put a lot into you they drafted you a lot on potential Yeah, because it was never no it was in the city It wasn't a situation where you were polished everybody knew you were a project and then they said they're going into the combine But then as big as you are as strong as you were as fast as you ran You shut up the draft board You can't you can't you can't pass up on that? You just can't especially the way scouts thing. Yeah, especially we think We can't pass up in that but he has a potential thing is old show and I get it but he hasn't gotten any better

He was a project in high school. He was a project in college. He's a project now He's like that church building fund. That thing ain't never been completed. And we still pouring more money into it. And the church building fund and the building has never been complete. Not the church building. You know, in our community, we know,

everybody know about that building fund and that building ain't complete yet. And still take it up money every day up for Sunday That's Anthony Richardson your church building for he ain't complete yet, I Don't know if he'll ever be complete. Oh Joe Right. I'm hoping I'm hoping he got all the resources. He got all the to look at what he got Got everything you got everything. He got everything he needs. Downs, Pitman Jr. Eric Pierce. He got Jonathan Taylor. Very good offensive line.

Yeah, man. Come on, bro. Yeah. He ain't got no slouch. He don't got no, he don't got no slouch, skill players around him now. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. There ain't no excuse.

None. I can see Ocho, he said, well, he don't really have nothing around him. Come on, Ocho, I mean, he needs a, bro. Nobody in their right mind can say this man does not have talent around him at the skill position. You look at the wide receivers, he still has a top five running back in Jonathan Taylor.

He has a solid offensive line. There ain't no reason for him to underachieve like he's been underachieved. Now I get it. He's been hurt. But bro, if you get your opportunity, you better seize the moment. This might be your last chance and end it. Ocho, a video circulating of KP Kelsey Plum

appearing to call out Caitlin Clark at the WNBA All-Star Weekend. Take a look at this video. That was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at least as players, we didn't know that that was going to happen. So I think it was kind of like a genuine surprise, but the t-shirt, just United front, was determined this morning that we had a meeting for. And you know, not to, not to tattle tale, but zero members of team Clark were very present for that.

But no, we were just, we had a very, I really needed to be mentioned. I'm trying to make a situation light. Okay. But, but yeah, no, I think it was just all of us getting on the same page for the game. We wanted to do something that was just united and collective. And I thought that it was a very powerful moment and got the point across. And sometimes you don't have to say anything. Yeah. She tried to make light of the situation. Look, I like KP. She was great when she was here. I saw saw them play last year out here in Vegas Okay, like whoa whoa whoa, hey nobody asked you that don't do that don't do that

What you think something or nothing Nah, ain't nothing ain't nothing. but obviously you anytime you mentioned CC's name you are you you already know what is going to get good bad or different it's right yeah that but she did she did the best she could to to make life a situation just like you know certain LeBron you mentioned LeBron, you mentioned LeBron, you already know what's coming with that. Yeah. You know, some people just. A polarizing that's the term polarizing and that's Caitlin Clark. Yeah. But, uh, Hey, y'all have to play some beat next year though.

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Listen to San Diego FC Behind the Flow, now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho! More changes are coming to the leadership of the NFL Players Association. Chief Strategist Officer J.C. Treder has resigned from his post amid scrutiny over hiring former NFLPA executive director Lloyd Howell, who resigned on July 18. PMAC, Pac McAfee, did mince words about the NFLPA leadership following strip club allegations.

The NFLPA has been led by people who could much rather be known than the heads of the NFLPA than actual work and act like they the heads of the NFLPA than actual work and act like they are heads of the NFLPA. These dudes think they're celebrities. These dudes think they're powerful. These dudes hire all of their friends and overpay them with players' money. Then these dudes flex while using and abusing all the connections that the players and the league have worked their asses off their entire lives for and act like sanctimonious heroes through it all. Ocho, we kind of touched on this a little bit earlier. We did. We did.

Yeah. This all happened. Pablo Torre, is Pablo still working with ESPN? He has his own thing. And he's a lawyer, he's a Harvard grad, very smart. I've never met the guy, but just watching him, listening to him talk, he's a very smart guy, very shrewd. And he went digging and he found some information about a judge that said, yeah, they kind of,

the owners and there was writing between Jeff Pash and I think Roger Goodell, there was a memo saying we got to get these, we got to get this guaranteed money down because it's getting outrageous, blah, blah, blah. They were the smoking gun. Now the NFL do a better job than going underground. With that being said, Lloyd Howell was in trouble. Now I don't know how you get a job at the NFLPA head when you work with a company that a private equity firm

that your job is to go try to find investors to buy NFL teams. And if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, but I think like if you're at the head of the, if you're like a player's association, so like you, the president and that's what Treader was like after a year or two, you lead the game, you go, you done, you got nothing else to do with it. But somehow he got hired as a strategist.

So once all this stuff started coming out, it was just a matter of time everybody got you know. You got blown up. Yeah. Listen, you have no choice but to blow it up and you might as well bring it home where it belongs. Yeah. Right here to me.

They messed this thing up when they didn't hire Troy because Troy sat right next to, what's this guy's name? Demarys? No, hell no. He should never hire him. What's the name? Gene? Gene, Gene Upshaw.

Gene, yeah. But see, it shifted because Gene and Paul Tagliabue had a great working relationship. Yes, yes sir. It was a partnership then. Was, Paul stepped down. It's funny, he and I came in a year together, we left together.

Because up until that point, Pete Rosell was the, was the commissioner. And then Commissioner Tagliabue came in, and then I left and then Roger Goodell come in. And now there's no longer a partnership. The partnership is between the owners and the networks. Those are the partnerships. And I don't think the owners wanted the partnership anymore.

They didn't. And the first chance they got, what did they do? They locked y'all ass out. Yeah. Yeah. And they say we want a bigger piece of the pie. Yeah. Back. Hey, but listen, this is what we gotta do. I'm telling you, you need somebody that can play hardball with them. You need somebody that's gonna go in there that's gonna be for the players. That's going to be for the players and gonna get what's right. Because as a former player, you know I'm going to do us justice. You know I am. I'm going to tell you like it is. I'm going to say some of the things

that people are thinking that they're not going to say in public. Yeah, we want lifetime benefits. We want to get rid of the franchise tag, even though you may see it as a way to buy yourself time, it also is a way that you, it is disrespectful to players because you're basically saying we don't really value you. You don't want time. Come on now. First of all, Ocho, normally if somebody's on that franchise tag, somebody gets to the

franchise tag, they've already played four or five years. So they've already bought you time. You should know. If you don't know what you have after four or five years, so you mean to tell me you need another year? Come on, man. No, so what you're doing, you're basically betting, you're betting that something bad's going to happen to me.

I'm going to have a bad year. I'm going to have an injury before I have to give you a long-term deal. That is exactly what you're doing. That's what they're betting on. That's what they're betting on. That's what that franchise does. They try to make it seem like it's a good thing. Are we going to be in the top three, top five?

What they told us, Ocho, it was kind of like the bird exemption, where you could sign your players, you know what I'm saying? Because you wanted to keep a John Elway with the Broncos. You wanted to keep a Dan Marino with the Dolphins. You wanted to keep your top notch players, your Emmitt Smith, your Bruce Smith. You wanted to keep those guys there. But they abused it.

And now they're like, well, nah, we just, what are we gonna do? We gonna slap you with the tag. Or they would threaten you with the tag. And so the problem like, well, now we just, what are we going to do? We're going to slap you with a tag or they would threaten you with a tag. Right. And so the problem is, Ocho, is that although look, I know, you know, you, you semi-serious and semi-joking, the problem that anybody has that's going to have when they come in and take over the NFLPA is not like MLB, it's not like basketball because when Marvin Miller, who's not like MLB, it's not like basketball.

Because when Marvin Miller, who was the head of baseball, when they say we gonna shut it down, they shut it down. The NBAPA, when they say we gonna shut it down, they shut it down. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. So, and the problem, and so look, everybody wasn't making, wasn't gonna make LeBron's money

or Steph Curry's money. To be able to hold out. But in order for you to get the money up. Right. This is what you had to do. What they did to him, Ocho, they sold him a bill of goods. They say, hey man, y'all making, y'all work hard, and then here's a rookie that's never thrown a pass.

Remember when Sam Bradford was the highest paid player in the NFL and he had never thrown a pass? Got that 20, yeah. No, he got 50. Oh, it was 50. He got 50 million. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, guaranteed. He was the highest paid player and never played a down.

Down, yes sir. Let me tell you what the owners did. The owners said, we wanna play players that have been established. We want to play the veteran players that money and make those guys that's coming into league, make them earn it. Right.

And the players, yeah, yeah, we gonna get that money. And guess what they do? Soon as you get to a certain age, they cut you. Yeah. Now they got the rookies on a wage scale and you don't get to get to the back end to get the bag. You see how they did it on the show? Oh yeah the bag. You see how they did it on Choke? Oh yeah, absolutely.

You see how they did it? They got them. They got you. So now we got the rookies capped here and on the back end of the vest thinking, man, I'm gonna play blah, blah, blah. Nah, don't. So now basically you gotta live here.

Yeah. That's why that first three years is so important. Maximize it as much as you can in that first three years and what's guaranteed. What am I really getting outside of your signing bonus? What am I really touching in first three years? Cause after that first three years, unless you that boy,

man, listen here, man. The water gets real muddy. They already plotting. How can we get out of one of these? Absolutely. Listen, it's a business. I think that's one of the things players can... No, they tell...

No, it's a business for them. That's what I was trying to say. But the ownership has convinced the fans that if you don't take what they give you, you selfish. You selfish, yeah. And you're not about winning. Bro, y'all ain't won in a hundred years. Yeah. So now all of a sudden, because I won't take the peanuts that you're offering, now I don't care nothing about winning.

And the first thing they throw, because I've heard some people say, I've no talk to some agents and people, the first name they throw up, guess who they throw up? Guess who name they throw up, Ocho? up guess who name to throw up Oh Joe, who you one guess? Tom Brady Yeah, but you have to understand Tom Brady was in a special situation Everybody else at NFL is not married or dating someone that makes more money than the actual player himself She's making 33 40 me in a year of Tom Brady took less money Why you can't be like Tom Brady?

Tom took less money in order to win. Well, I tell you what. You know what I'll tell them? And when it came right down to it, they did Tom Brady like they did everybody else. Come on, man. Come on, it's Sunday. Go ahead and preach.

I'm not gonna lie to you. At the end of the day, as loyal as Tom Brady was, as long as he had played up under what he should have rightfully gotten, they still showed him the door. So at the end of the day, no matter what I do, so you know what, I know at the end of the day you're looking to get rid of me, but I'm gonna tax your pockets.

You say, hey. While I'm here? I'm not the GM. My job is to play. Now, if you want me to help you construct your salary cap, that's going to cost you extra. But in the meantime, since that's not my job, my job is to tackle, my job is to catch, my job is to run, block, whatever the case may be, on the football field. My job is not to help you manage the salary cap. That's your job. And you tell me all the time, you're the billionaire, you should be able to figure that out. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But it's funny, I don't think fans would be able to understand

it from a player's perspective because they will always side with their team and their loyalty and the owner saying what they, and obviously the media obviously is, most of the time the media is going to be gravitate towards the owner side as well, making the players look like they are selfish in certain circumstances. It's unfortunate, but again, I mean, just hypothetically speaking, I'm just throwing it out there. Just, I mean, in a way I'm serious, in a way I'm actually joking, but I would love to be one to be in those rooms.

In those rooms, because you're not going to pull the wool over my eyes. You're not going to pull the wool. And I'm one of the ones, one of the few who are going to say the things that no one else will say. Oh, I think the thing is, look, you have prosperity for another four or five years. Whomever comes in, guys, please, please start saving your money. No more homes.

No tell, tell the wife, no more extravagant purchases. We got to put a war chest. So that for, because they're going to lock us out. Oh yeah. Let me tell you why they're going to lock the cousin. Let me tell you what they did last time. Oh Joe, they locked us out. They locked y'all out. I was done. I was done. They locked you out. Yeah. And once they got 10 more years, they had three years left with the uh uh uh with the uh

t- broadcasting. They went right back to the broadcasting and say we got 10 years of labor piece. We want to redo the deal. And they did it. Now I'm not telling you what somebody told you, I'm telling you what I know. What I know. So what they're gonna do, they're gonna lock you out. Yeah. They're gonna lock you out.

Now, let me tell you who wants a programming. And they're playing a premium because we see what Netflix play Jake Paul every time he gets on that network. And we see what Amazon's doing. So don't be surprised. In the next the next round you watching it on Amazon yeah you watching it on Netflix I'm talking about the Sunday stuff because they got more money than NBC they got more money than Fox they got more money than CBS now I ain't

telling what somebody tell you they got more money than ESPN oh they coming so let me tell you what they're gonna do. They're gonna lock you out. Because he said, when he took the job, he said in 20 years they wanna be doing 25 billion in revenue per year. I think they're at about 19, 20. That's why, you see they done added another game, won't you?

Not only did they add, guess what? They added another playoff spot too. You see how they did that? They kicked it in the head. Yeah, everybody's like, yeah. That money gotta come from somewhere, man. Come on, man. Gotta come from somewhere. They added another playoff spot to you see how they did that Money got to come from somewhere now, come on now Got to come. Okay, we added a playoff game. Guess what? That's what we did. Oh, Joe

We added another game that's 17. So we got an extra team with a playoff and we got an extra game now What what what does commish keep throwing out there? 18 18 yeah 18. Oh, yeah, 18. He gonna tease it. He gonna tease it every time, but what's the one thing everybody talk about? They keep throwing flags all over the place. Player safety. Player safety.

Ocho, I ain't listening to nothing you say because all I see is the ratings going up. Every game, every year, the ratings keep going up. So fans keep talking about, oh, this is flag football Y'all keep watching. I don't know if y'all notice. Did you see how many people watch the Subo last year? Did you see how many people watch the playoff games last year? So why am I listening to you? Yeah Yeah, you're not they were always watching on no matter what anybody says This week now you see why we don't get invited nowhere, oh Joe

They came I but I gotta get I gotta tell the people the truth. Yeah, I mean, listen, listen. I've always been the villain, I've always been the bad one. I've always been the one not to follow the rules. So I'm used to it. Chat, now y'all know why I've never been invited to a rookie symposium and Ocho and I, we don't get the perks

of being able to go certain places and do certain things, but it's all good. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell you what I know because I've talked to people that was in that room that was negotiating. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I am whoever the next head of the players association, please tell these guys to start saving their money. I'm gonna tell them to start. We gotta put a war chest together guys. In order for us to get we won't guaranteed money and we won't lifetime health benefits. We want to do away with that franchise tag. The only way, because they know how much money you got. They know everything that happens in Dallas, there's nothing that Jerry Jones doesn't know about. There's nothing that happens in Miami that Stephen Ross doesn't know about. There's nothing that happens in Miami that Stephen Ross doesn't know about. There's nothing in an NFL town that those owners doesn't know about.

Yeah. It's so funny. It literally know everything. Literally know everything. I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I'm sure what service, I don't know what service the NFL uses. I'm not sure what service, uh, the owners use, but being able to tell me what I, I know being able to tell me I'm riding four wheelers in the off season

with my homeboys down 12th Avenue. How do you know that you all the way in Cincinnati? How you know that? How you call my grandma and tell my grandma, hey, tell Chad to stay off in Four Wheelers during the off season, please. Tell him to stop riding up and down. Wait a minute, huh? Man, I'm a witness to it.

They know everything. They know. Why you not in the bed asleep? Hey, what's up? What's up? Teddy Bear. I don't know which one that is. That's Teddy Bear.

Hey Teddy Bear, you got to bring both them boys on and you got to bring both them on And I was like man and The thing is oh chill like I said, they know They know how much you pay and how much your home loan is They know how many kids you got how many going to private school if you got a divorce they know what you paid. Yeah. Check out behind the flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego football club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved. San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

We need veteran players and we need young players. Like, you're building a team from scratch. And so the succession plan of long-term success needs to be defined. We need to embrace this community. When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier and we watched Paraguay against Chile, pouring rain, just watching the fans jumping up and down. I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me.

Not only was that gonna be my game, but it was gonna be my life. Listen to San Diego FC Behind the Flow. Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brown's Kenny Pickett predicted to end a training camp as QB1. Cleveland's quarterback battle is about to begin with the start of the 2025 training camp. Rookies and vets have officially reported to Borrella.

And to kick things off, Mary Kay Cabot predicts that Kenny Pickett will have the upper hand early in camp. Kenny Pickett still has a slight edge in terms of being number one on the depth chart, heading in the training camp, but that could quickly change. Mary Kay Cabot is the gospel when it comes to the Cleveland Browns. She's the gospel. Yes, she is. Yes, she is. Listen, she's the Pavarotti of opera.

There's some reporters that when they speak about, because they've covered it for so long. Yes. That's her. Jane Slater, when she starts talking about the Cowboys, take it to the bank. Yeah. Yeah, every time.

Take it, take it, take it, go on and take it to the bank. It used to be that way with Ed Bouchette when he was in Pittsburgh I don't know if he's still there still there. But when he's talked Gone, it like yeah, that's yeah. Yeah Mary Kay Cabot did go ahead. Oh Joe you go say Yeah, no, I'm gonna say um The quarterback battle I

Like what they're doing. I like I like what they're doing. I like what they're doing. I like the fact that they put certain things out and most of the time it's all smoke and mirrors. It's all smoke and mirrors. I've talked to the people that played on that team. I hear what's being said. I slipped up a little bit a few shows ago and said some things I shouldn't have said,

but it was okay with that individual that I did say it. I know what it looks like. They're telling me, you know. So I love what, what, what she says. And we said, Kenny Pickett has a chance to be quarterback number one. I know when we quoted quarterback number one, week one, when they step on that field, I know who it's going to be. I can tell you that, you know, it can be Joe Flacco that that that's me to hear it nor there the person that has the front running experience, the front running

experience based on what he's done is to marry. The person that has the front running experience, the front running experience based on what he's done, his familiarity with the team and the offense, it could be Joe Flacco. Now who's going to be behind him if anything goes wrong or when things start to go wrong? My guess is going to be the best person, most polished with the most success behind him. And that would be, that would be 12. And that's brother Sanders, no disrespect to Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett. But if they were the answer, they've already had their time. There would be had their chances to be started with

quarterbacks in the league. If the answer is something going to miraculously change with Kenny Pickett. No, I don't, I don't think so. Okay. Yeah. So I don't, I don't understand quarterback. Okay, yeah, so I don't understand quarterback number one, I don't listen to any of that, that's all I call that smoke and mirrors. No disrespect to Kenny Pickett, love him, love him, but it's opportunity with the Steelers, you had him.

So you mean you come to a team like the Cleveland Browns that's in dire need of quarterback one and all of a sudden I need to answer if something has changed miraculously at the quarterback position with you in your play. No, it hasn't. I agree, Ocho. I just didn't understand if, you know, you bring in all these quarterbacks,

you bring in a veteran 18 years in Joe Flacco, you bring in another veteran player and Kenny Pickett and you take two rookies. Yeah. It was, I don't, I don't get that because I see a very similar situation with the RG three situation in Washington. You take RG three with the number two pick and then you end up getting taken cousins and we see how that played out And we see how that played out.

We see how that played out. Um, Mike didn't, Mike didn't want RG three because back then, Oh, Joe, they were in salary cap hell. They had tried to put all that money in an uncapped year, the league punished them and so they had a lot of debt. They had a lot. They really didn't have any cap space. punished them. And so they had a lot of debt. They had a lot. They really didn't have any cap space.

Now Mike's looking at Daniel Snyder said, Dan, if we give up this to get this young man, how do we build a team? We can't sign free agencies and we given up draft capital for the future. And his style leads to injury. Because now if he's going to be Lamar, you see Lamar gradually runs less and less, he throws more and more from the pocket. He's done a better job of getting down. He's done a better job of getting down. He's done a better job of getting out of bounds. That was an RG3. And plus the fact RG3 wanted to be something that he couldn't be immediately. That was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Pocket being able to, they were that because they were not athletic. They couldn't take off and run and run away from a defense like RG three could. He didn't understand that was his blessing. Oh Joe. You you know, Joe, quarterbacks that are not mobile, never said man, I wish I was mobile. Tom Brady never said I wish I could do this. Peyton Manning never said I do that. Because you have to understand the defense looks at you once you start

running. They see Adrian Peterson. Okay. No matter what jersey number you wear, I see a running back. That's it. And I'm trying to, and I'm trying to split his dome legally. I'm trying to hit you as hard as God will let me. Legally, I'm trying to hit you as hard as God will let me. Now, I'm not concerned about next week, but if I hit you clean legally and you don't come back into the game, I wish you the best for next week. But oh well, because I look at it like this, Ocho.

My job as a defender is not to protect the offensive player. That's his coordinator's job. That's his quarterback job. So if the coordinator calls a play and the quarterback takes off running, you told me you don't care about him. So why should I? Yeah. But also, you know what?

You know what also? The offensive coordinator, he knows the player's strengths is at the quarterback position. So he puts the quarterback in advantageous positions to make those plays for the team. And just so happens what the quarterback does best is the exact thing the defense hope he does. And that's fun.

Because all I need is one clean shot. That's it. As it is it as it and I just I Just hope should do it gets a fair chance it's hard Speaking personally Ocho going into a situation where you're not a high draft pick and you're behind so many guys Hell, I'm like the sixth or seventh receiver Mm-hmm and you're behind so many guys, hell, I'm like the sixth or seventh receiver. I'm only gonna get one or two plays, Ocho. How do I get your attention? You make the most of it.

Make the most of it. That's it. I don't even think it's, it's not even hard, huh? It's not even hard. I hate going back, but this was just a lesson being taught. We already know he's a top three pick and should have been, should have been now for, for, for, for, for conversational purposes. This is a great conversation piece.

I know how the outcome is going to be based on what he can do. When he touches the field, he's been a winner all his life, where he's when in that same attitude and discipline and the way of playing the game of football It's going to carry over in Cleveland as well. And this is no disrespect to the other competitors on that team at that Pacific position It's gonna carry over he's already been through adversity. He's already faced these same obstacles every time He's already been through adversity. He's already faced these same obstacles every time. This is just another one he's going to overcome. And I'm happy for the organization.

Hell, I'm happy for Browns fans. Because finally, what you've always needed for so long is right there in your building. All they're doing is just prolonging the situation. That's all they're doing. They don't need to prolong it anymore. They need to find a quarterback. They need to find one bad.

And if you go back and look at it one bad. And, uh, you know, if you go back and look at it, they really only had to, I mean, you got to go back to Otto Graham. Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, I think we're like 10 championships, but that was, that was, that was like before your, before your mom and your grandma, I see Otto Graham play. I see, I seen the black and white footage. He was nice. And then you got it. You got them high

edge. Yeah. And then you got Bernie. Baker. Baker could have been good. But they didn't have the the the the the pieces around Baker. You see Baker found a home. You know, look. Wait. In in in Tampa. Cuz look at what Baker had it at

Oklahoma. Hold on. Oh, do you look at what Baker had at Oklahoma. Hold on. Do you forget the receivers Baker had in Cleveland? You don't remember, huh? Oh, yeah. Oh, they are. If I'm not mistaken, right? Jarvis Landry, if I'm not mistaken. And was it Donovan P.

Jones or am I tripping? Am I off chat chat? Remind me, remind me. If I'm, yeah, but that, hey, that's something to work with. But think about it, Ocho. Odell came off a broken leg. Odell have a torn ACL. We know Odell was not the same player that he was in New York.

No, he hadn't got hurt yet. He had broke his leg in the Giants. He did. No, he hadn't got hurt and broke his leg and the Giants he did Okay, okay, okay, thank you for getting me right, okay Jarvis was a slot receiver had great hands durable but That's not that's not Mike everything Chris Godwin Yo, yeah, Mike Mike Mike Evans in his own world Now Godwin got has gotten hurt a lot over the last several years.

But the one thing you can do, hey, you can set your clock by. Mike Evans is going to get a thousand yards receiving. Mike Evans is going to get a thousand yards receiving. He went somewhere. Carolina was not a good fit for him. The Rams, we know he wasn't going to stick there. Stafford had gotten hurt. Stafford was their guy. He was never going to beat Stafford out, but he goes to Tampa plays on a one year deal and boom, the rest is as they say, it's history and he's found a home because

at Oklahoma, look at the receivers they had CD lamb, um, who else was the other receiver? Uh, I think Joe Mixon was his running back. So he used to being around talent, talent, talent, talent. Now they give him back so now he can shine, he can flourish. Yeah. We're gonna find out. They're in a very, very tough division.

The Steelers got better. The Ravens got better. The Bengals believe they've gotten better. They've resigned their two offensive weapons. Joe Burrow has another year in that system. The question is, can they hold up defensively? Because they put, when Ocho, it puts a lot of pressure on your offense

to have to be perfect. To have to, I mean, they have to be perfect. Joe Burrow can turn the ball over one time and sometimes that's enough to cause him to lose. One turnover is hard to play perfect. But that's what the Bengals have to be because their defense, they score 38, they give up 41, they score 35, they give up 38, they score 31, they give up 34. Yeah. And Joe just has to like, damn, can't turn it over today because our defense ain't stopping no one.

It's hard to play like that. It really is. All right, Ocho, this is the subject that you... Oh, also there's something mainstream media hasn't reported much on in the wake of June 23rd gas explosion that sparked the fire and ravaged several units in the Rainbow Terrace section of Garden Valley Apartments, Shadoor gave back to the community. Over the course of four hours last Wednesday evening, nearly 1,000 residents of the Garden Valley Apartments gathered for a family-friendly charitable event sponsored by Chador. The festivities featured an 11-year-old DJ,

line dancing, free haircuts, food truck, grill food, and complimentary t-shirts. In addition to never turning down a selfie request, Chador joined residents in Cornhold, a makeshift football game, and even blowing bubble with children. Props to Chador for hitting the ground running when it comes to ingratiating himself

into the Cleveland community. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. What's the one thing you get? You get, remember the movie Gladiator? Remember what he told Maximus?

Win the crowd, you win your what? Yep. Freedom. Remember what he told Maximus? Win the crowd you win your what? Your freedom. Win the crowd and the rest will take care of itself. He's doing exactly listen, he's doing exactly what you're supposed to do. Embed, embed yourself in the community. Let them see. as a quarterback. I'm here. I'm here. I don't think, I don't think things went the way they should have

gone, but I'm here. That's gonna, that's gonna take him far with those on the outside of the stadium. Far. That means a lot. When's the last time you seen a Cleveland Brown quarterback do something like that? All of them done stuff in the community, I'm sure. They all do, every team. Every team has players that does. I mean, to that magnitude.

Normally that's the first round pick. High draft choice, not seventh round picks. It definitely not this time of the year. Now, maybe once the season starts, I've made the team. I do things in the community, a blood drive, a food bank closed to the, whatever the case may be Christmas gift, uh, turkeys for Thanksgiving hams, whatever the case may be. Oh Joe.

Yeah, I get that. I've tried, but not like this, but this is who he is. Yeah. This is who he is different yeah this is who he is so kudos to uh Shador for getting out of the community and gratiating himself and uh hey good things and Join I Heart Radio and Sarah Spain in celebrating the one year anniversary of I Heart Women's Sports. With powerful interviews and insider analysis, our shows have connected fans with the heart of women's sports. In just one year, the network has launched 15 shows and built a community united by passion. Podcasts that amplify the voices of women in sports. Thank you for supporting iHeart Women's Sports and our founding sponsors, Elf Beauty, Capital One,

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