Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Best of NFL - Part 1: Tua CALLS OUT Tyreek Hill + Micah Parson needs to GET PAID!

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson break down the biggest headlines rocking the NFL, including Tua Tagovailoa’s honest take on Tyreek Hill quitting on the team, Micah Parsons' growing frustration with Jerry Jones over his contract, and more major storylines making waves across the league. 0:00 - Tua Calls out Tyreek Hill16:52 - Time to pay Micah31:31 - NFL Plans to fine players for selling SB Tickets45:14 - Aaron Rodgers vs Terry Bradshaw   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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after the reeks week 18 outburst. Let's take a listen to what Tua had to say. You guys aren't the only people that heard that. You know, a lot of people that follow football, that follow the Miami Dolphins, that follow Tyreek, that are fans of his, everyone has seen that. So when you say something like that, it's, you don't just come back from that with, hey, my bad. No, you got to work that relationship up. You got to build everything up again.

And yeah, it's still a work in progress. Not just for me, but for everybody. But like I said, he's working on himself. He's working on the things that he says he you know, he says he wants to get better with with and do better on. So that's the first step to me. And so I commend him for doing that. Not one light toll.

Yeah, not at all. Can you refresh the people that are that are watching the people that are listening? What he's referring to, though, because he said something, but the people might need context if they don't remember what Tyreq said at the end of the season. Well, I can't give you verbatim, but I think he said something that he might be looking to get out of here because he liked winning and you know, he got to do what's in the best interest for him, things of that nature.

He said a lot of stuff. Yeah, he did. He did. But I think also I love what I love what to have said Obviously publicly to is gonna have his receivers back, but also hold his receiver accountable Everything he said also with for me as a football player a former player understanding the the frustrations that a receiver would have Who'd had a down season for the first time, who's not used to having a lackluster season like that, the frustrations build up, the inconsistency.

All right, I'm not used to this. So what's the first thing you do? You vent about not actually wanting to be in that situation anymore. And seeing that whatever method Tyra was trying to do and trying to maybe find a way to get out of Miami and find somewhere else to go, maybe back to Kansas City or wherever it may be. It didn't work out that way. So what I have to do now, I can't take what I said back. All I can do is work on myself, apologize to my teammates, apologize to my quarterback

and my coaches. And there's one way to make them forget about everything is to do what you do best. Catching touchdowns, catching passes and working your ass off. And that's three things that he already does, which is why he's one of the best at what he does now in the game. I think he's gonna be fine. Sometimes when you're angry, Ocho. Yeah. And I get it and I hate that. I really do. I hate when guys get angry and they don't speak to the media. Yeah, because when you score 50,

there's never a time when you somebody dropped 50 in the NBA, they didn't speak to the media. Because when you score 50, there's never a time when somebody dropped 50 in the NBA, they didn't speak to the media. There's never a time when somebody had 150, 200, two, three touchdowns, they didn't speak to the media. But the moment you get a little frustrated, you don't wanna speak to the media. But in certain situations, if it's a situation where you're so upset and the words that come out of your mouth

might do irreparable harm, go ahead and talk to them and say, hey, I can't speak right now. But what did you, what's your saying? When emotions are high, logic is- Logic is low. And that's why I said, you know what, and I get up, I want you to good, bad or indifferent. Yes, sir.

Cause you make the same money. It ain't like, you know what? I had a bad game, Ocho. So Ocho had a bad game. Ocho only had four for 50 yards. Well, Ocho, we will give you four for 50 yards of money. Ocho had 10 for 260. Okay, now Ocho, we will give you 10 for 260 money.

You make the same either way. Right. But we are human. Yeah, there were times, man, I spoke to the media after the game, I'm seated. Cause I know we had some guys that didn't play like they were supposed to. Right.

And sometimes I was one of those guys. Oh, same, same. Listen, I can remember my games where I played bad. I'm talking about vividly. Yes. Buffalo. Probably tell the media, I got to do better. Yeah. John's job is to throw it. My job is to catch it. Yeah. Well, if he's throwing it, I catch it.

I ain't doing my job. So I'm letting him and the team down. Yeah. I like the fact that to acknowledge what he said, cause a lot of times, ah man, we know how our guys are and so forth and so on, that's our brother. He didn't do that. That lets me know that what he said not only bothered him, but it bothered other people in the room.

And they had a conversation with Ty. They've talked to Tyreke about this. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They've talked to Tyreke about this. And I like that Ocho, because you know sometimes, Ocho, they try to gloss it over. Man, you know it ain't that big of a deal. Oh, absolutely. Man, please. Yeah. And there's only one person that can get away with saying that. And that was the quarterback. That's the only one. That's the only person, because it all falls back on quarterback not being there. Okay, my numbers aren't what they used to

be. And anything that Tyreek says at the, my numbers aren't what they used to be. And anything that Tyreek says at the end of the season, who they gonna point the finger at? Quarterback. Quarterback. Yeah. And so, but Tyreek knows what he has to do. I looked at Tyreek body this year

compared to what it was last year. He looked 10, 15 pounds lighter. I told you, I told you what it looked like at that goddamn workout uh why that workout yeah oh my god he look he look the thing you're gonna chose he's already so explosive even if he leaves a step he's still faster than anybody else hey completely and it's crazy and you know what the fact he didn't lose a step because he just ran a goddamn 10-1 last month? What did we, what? And he's not even training to run track.

How you, you not even track training and you ran a 10-1. Imagine if he was in track shape or had track technique or got track coaching. That 10-1 dropped down to 9899. Yeah, he might, he definitely get Yeah, he probably get the 10 easy. Easy? Come on, man. He gonna be all right though. He gonna be all right.

But he just like, look, you gotta realize where he came from. See, they never had these problems in Kansas City. No, sir. So Tyreek ain't used to this. Tyreek used to, my homeboy, be in there. And so he used to like knowing, okay, now granted that his first couple of years in Miami,

he's number one, he gonna get all the balls, blah, blah, blah. Now in Kansas City, you know, he had to split that with Kelsey, maybe Sammy Watkins, or maybe someone else. But he knew he's gonna get X, and he knew Mahomes was going to be there. Right. It's hard, no matter how great you are. Look, only D'Andre Hopkins can just go through quarterbacks

and still put up Pro Bowl, All Pro numbers. And you know who else did it? Goddamn Andre Johnson. Yeah, yeah. Hold up, he had a quarterback carousel as well and for some reason, production didn't even matter regardless of who got that throwing it. Yep. So, um I'm I'm I'm happy uh that he said Tyreek is working but like you said, it takes

time and see Ocho, he could have lied. Oh yeah, we done moved past that and moved on and said, nah, nah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, nope. Tyreek gonna make everybody forget about this week one. Mm-hmm. Guarantee you. Cause you know, I know what Mike McDan is gonna do.

I know what he gonna call. Coming in, they're gonna try to gate. I know what he going to call. Coming eight days by the gate, week one. They dialing up 10. But see, that's where you need leadership. Yeah. Because look at the situation that we dealt with in Baltimore in 2000. The offense went five weeks and we didn't score touchdown.

It could have split us at the seams. And the thing that really helped Me rate Woody two guys on defense one guy on offense. We were really close. We did everything together Yeah on the road within each other's room laughing talking we went out We all we always went out together we went to get something eat we did that together and I just remember telling them I said you guys y'all y'all y'all are doing unbelievable y'all having a great season historically great season I say but the thing I loved about football if they don't take great Units to the Super Bowl they take teams. Yes, sir So I don't care. I don't care what y'all do. If we don't start doing our part,

but when we start doing our part, don't you guys let down. We'll get what we have to get fixed. Y'all just stay the course. And me being able to relay that to Woody, to be able to relay that to Ron, excuse me, to Ray, and to let them know that, hey, and then, you know, to tell Brian, bro. I ain't telling you that you don't know, but it ain't getting done.

Yeah. You know what we gonna do? When I think about that, that 2000 team y'all had, that defense was so good, uncle, it was so good. Y'all didn't have to be as great as they did. All you had to do.

All y'all had to do. All y'all had to do. That would have been unfair. That would have been unfair. All y'all had to do, just meet them halfway. Just meet them halfway. Give us 10 points. We'll take care of the rest.

Hey, if we got a 10-nothing lead, oh, it was over for you. Game is over. Unless we fumbled and you got a scoop and score, you got to pick six. Right. With Marvin Lewis, we started playing and Marvin would say, Shay, give us 10.

Yeah. I said, 10 what? We ain't about to get, 10 what? Marvin said, I remember we playing, we started playing, Marvin said, hey, give us 10. We got to the playoffs. Marvin said, give us seven. I said, Marvin, do you realize what you saying?

I said, Marvin, this team's in the playoffs. He said, you should give us seven and give it to us early. We played the Raiders. And that, we had a great, so Marvin was the DC. Jack Del Rio was the linebackers coach. Yeah. Rex Ryan was the D line coach. I think, Oh, who was the who was our DB coach? I forget his name, but he ended up going to be DC somewhere. But we were loaded.

We playing the Raiders in the championship game. They said, give us seven, it's over. Raid, Shug say, Shay, y'all give us seven early at the half. It's over. I said, Ray, they like the number one scoring team in football, what you mean? Give us, say, Shane, give us seven and a half. I said, well, I'm good for seven.

You know, big play, Shane. Oh, big play, Shane, good for seven. I got that. Hey, I got that touchdown. I came to the sideline. Like Smokey Mama told him, make it work. Yeah. She told me, this ain't enough,

Smokey said, it ain't enough, it ain't enough. She say, make it enough. Hey, was it running back Napoleon Kaufman back then? No, it was Charlie Garner. Okay, I forgot about Charlie. I forgot about Charlie. Charlie Garner. Nah, I don't think Napp was there then.

He was nice. He was nice too. He had speed. Yeah, he was nice. Now you let him get outside now, he gonna cause some problems for you. Yeah, he, he had us about 201 a year at the Broncos. But I think that's the biggest thing. It's, I think that's where veteran presence comes in,

especially guys that are, that's not really concerned about numbers or, you trying to win. At a certain point in time, bro, what? Man, I don't care how much money you make, man. When you lose it, it sucks. Oh, it's bad. Man, you bad, you hate, man. When you losing, it sucks. Oh, it's bad. Man, you bad, you hate, I like, damn.

It's bad. And people in chat, you're not thinking about a check. You're like, man, I'm out here in this heat. I'm out here in this cold. I'm out here, you know, my body's aching, I'm hurting, and we losing. Hey, hold on now. You got to think about this now.

I was in Cincinnati 11 years, what, 10? You know how many winning scenes I had in Cincinnati? How many? Maybe what, two, one? Ooh, Lord, that was my culture. Ash might be able to back check me on that. But there's a reason be able to check me on that. But there's a reason I chose to have so much fun. There's a reason.

How do I block out the losing part? I don't know. Make sure I'm doing everything. You better man to me. Hey, make sure I'm doing everything I can. True. That's all I can do. I know that 2005 season, that was a winning season.

We had, might've had, might've had two winter seasons, maybe. In your career or in Cincinnati? In Cincinnati. Shit, Cincinnati is my career, what you mean? You played in New England, you got a year out there. Oh, that don't count, man. That's on your resume. Nah.

And guess what, if you go to the hall, they gonna put that on your plaque. Nah, I ain't going to the hall. I put my own jacket on that's okay But if you were to they go put it everybody's I guarantee you go to Wikipedia and see if they got New England in there Go to pull up pull up a chat pull up Ocho in Wikipedia and see if they mentioned anything about New England They will I bet they don't I bet they do I Don't know how to I don't know how to get on Wikipedia. Don't worry about it. I'll figure it out for you.

I'm going to get on there for you. You might need to have them take that spouse thing off there, but that's neither here nor there right now. What does it say? I didn't say nothing, but I'm saying. Oh, he played for Santa Monica Cossars. Of course he did. That's me.

That's me. Oregon State. That's me. Oregon State Beaver. And he played for Cincinnati Bengals and the New England Patriots during his tenure playing in the NFL. Hold on. What about, they ain't put,

I played in Montreal too. Nope, they didn't put that up there. I played in Mexico too, they ain't put that? Oh, they did. They said he, Cincinnati Bengals from 2001 to 2010, the Patriots 2011, they got an asterisk by Miami, but Montreal Allen Allen West 2014. And-

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Stand without good access is not a good stand. Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Del Monte Ray in 2017. All right. See, see, you know what? I have the greatest career of any, any NFL player ever. Cause I played in the States. I played in Canada and I played in the States, I played in Canada, and I played in Mexico.

Who else could say that? Yeah, yeah. What are we talking about? Different, different. Remember, he was a member of the, Bingo's 40th anniversary and 50th anniversary teams. That's me. That's me. Hey, I was good.

Because you know how good you got to be to play in the states? You can play in the NFL, play in Canada. And Canada, listen, I told you about my experience in Canada. Ain't no way in hell some of them fellas should be dying in Canada. What? I think people look at the pay or the difference and think, oh, Canada's sweet. Man.

Man. What was that? Cam Lake, didn't they have a, Miami had a guy that came out of Canada. Camerawake. Camerawake, okay. Camerawake, man. See, that's just one,

there are a few examples of people that- Warren Moon, Doug Flutie. Oh, Doug Flutie. But there's so many more. The numbers, the politics, the opportunity. There are so many players in Canada. Like it almost urch my soul that they didn't get opportunity because there's no reason you should be here.

Every week we play somebody different. I've seen maybe four or five guys. Why are you here? Mm-hmm. are you here? What are you doing? Oh Joe, during Cowboys training camp, fans have been shouting at Jerry and Steven Jones, pay Micah, pay Micah.

Steven spoke to reporters about it saying, it doesn't change anything. We want to pay Micah too. He's gotta want to be paid. I don't do that. Jerry also keeps calling Micah, Michael Parsons. What you mean? He want to get paid, but he don't want y'all to pay

what y'all want to pay him. Because see, y'all think y'all won't pay him at a discount. And he already told you that ain't gonna happen. The discount was two years ago. It ain't now. Yeah. Because that was before you let Max Crosby reset the market. That was before you let Danelle Hunter reset the market.

That was before you let Miles Garrett reset the market. And then TJ. And that you let TJ Watt reset it again. Yeah. That was before all of that. Now I don't know what y'all talking. We're at 42 and a half. Hey, man.

I don't know what you talking. I want to get paid. Right. And matter of fact, since you keep talking trash in the media, in the news, and you're not calling me by my right name, make it 43 for good measure. Yeah.

You know what? My mama named me Micah. Call me Micah. You call me Micah too many times. 44. And as a matter of fact, since Stephen came out and said, oh, Micah gotta want to be paid, 45. Lying on me. He lied on me. That man want to be paid, but he ain't gonna let y'all pay what y'all want to pay it. Y'all always wait till the last minute. Ocho, I have to look, here's the thing. I promise you, it is cheaper to get your car serviced than it

is to get it repaired. Listen to what I'm saying. All right, go ahead, Ocho. They ain't listening to me, Ocho. It's Sunday, come on now, come on pastor. It's either to get your car serviced than it is to get it repaired. Now the choice is yours. That's a good one. Michael, you could have serviced Michael.

Now you gotta repair him, which means you gotta make him whole. Well, if I had a, if I had a collection plate, I'd pass it around. That's what we're doing. And that's the, oh Joe, that's how it works. The longer you let something go, the more it's gonna cost.

Yeah. The price is not coming down on Micah. Did you think the prices was coming down on Micah Parsons? The guy, he won defensive rookie of the year. He's a three time first team all pro. Now he didn't make, I don't think he made all pro last, your first team, but he's been to the Pro Bowl every single year.

The price is only going up. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Cause listen, I gotta get that penny pack cause that was a bar. You gave me a bar. Hey, bring that, bring that. I gotta use that in my next argument. Hey, bring me, give me that line one more time.

It's easy to get your car serviced that it is repaired. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Yeah, I don't know the context and when I'm gonna be able to use it, but I'm gonna use that. Oh, you'll be able to use it. And that's the thing.

That man's been asking for a contract, but what does Jerry like to do? Wait until the umpteenth hour. He waits until the umpteenth hour and then wonder why that cracked him over his head. Both times. Dak hit him over his head both times. Dak went 60, I mean 40, Diddy went to 60.

Dak says, since y'all making me wait, get what we're gonna call you next time. Sidney. Cause clearly, y'all, they've been telling people for the longest, we like Cooper Rush. We like Cooper Rush, really. Y'all like Cooper Rush, huh? Y'all shoulda put him in.

Yeah, play games if you want to. Y'all should, if y'all like Cooper, if you like Cooper Rush as much as you say you did, you woulda never gave that 60 million. They just talking on. You understand who the type of caliber quarterback that can carry your team, or at least give you a chance to win.

And Dak knew from the moment that Cooper Rush was a free agent and not one person be it, Dak said, y'all stuck like Chuck. Well, you know the eye and the sky don't lie. No. All 31 other teams, they get to see film too. They get to see film too. They do. They do.

You listen, as owners and as GM and managers, you can say what you want to verbally, but when you turn the film on, if it don't match and it don't align with what you say about a player, they not going for that. Yeah. And every once in a while, Ocho,

you can go into the draft and you'll find a, you'll get a Russell Wilson in the third round. You'll get a Dak Prescott in the fourth round. You're never gonna get another Tom Brady in the sixth round. So stop looking. No. Stop looking. That was, that was the Hope looking. That was the Hope Diamond.

You found the Hope Diamond. Unicorn. Yeah, so stop looking. But you did, sometimes you'll be able to find your really good quarterback. That's not a first round draft pick or not a high draft pick. But without that guy in today's game and the way the game is set up today, the way they've

handicapped the defense and why they propped up the offense without that guy, you ain't winning. No, you're not. You're just not. You can't play defense good enough. Not today. Overcome inadequate quarterback play. Correct. In today's game.

Not today's era, absolutely not. Listen, it can work, it can work during our era. Yeah. It can work during our era. You play defense and have a decent quarterback. Decent quarterback, nice running game. No disrespect. The Bears, when they played the Colts,

in the Super Bowl, the identity for that Bears team was what? Their defense. Yes. No disrespect to Rex Grossman. No disrespect. But he was Rex Grossman going against Peyton Manning. I'm not going to comment on that. But that defense was unbelievable that year.

And the thing, what happened, it started raining. But if you go back and look, the coast almost ran for 200 yards. Joseph and Di, right? Joseph and Di? Yeah, it was Joseph and Di and the, what was the other guy's name? I forget his name, Ocho.

But they had a two headed monster. But they had a two headed monster. That was, that was, that was the difference in the game. But in today's game, the way they played today, the way the rules are set up today. You got to have a quarter. You got to. You got to. And I don't know what Jerry's waiting on. Maybe he thinks the price is gonna, you know,

the bottom is gonna drop out of this. It ain't. You mess around and let him have 20 sacks, what you gonna do? And now he gonna hit you over the head for 50 million. Well, how about what if he just plays it out and goes somewhere else? Well, see, again, that's where the NFLPA should have come in. Cause you got two franchise tags. Damn. Yeah. Now you see, there you go.

Prime example of why I should be appointed the director of the NFLPA. Cause that's one of the things I'm getting out. Franchise tag, okay, they got to go. Guaranteed contracts, let's implement guarantee contracts. Let's talk about that. I won't know franchise tag. I want help.

Lifetime health benefits. Yeah, come on now. Come on now. You think that man, listen, I might, I might joke and laugh. I'm going to come to business and I put a suit and tie on this. It's a whole different ball game. Well, they definitely need somebody that, that, that's, that shrewd understands the aspect of it, knowing that what was headed down, what's headed down the, the,

the track in the next couple of years. And then, you know, you reading all this stuff about, there might be some, some criminality Involved with this is just not it's it's not a good look for the NFL PA Now you kind of understand kind of It's been it's been lacking proper representation for lack of a better for lack of a better word. Oh Joe It's just hopefully I hope because it look you and I don't benefit from it

anything anymore no no I just want the I want the players that's now and the ones that's gonna be coming in I want them to get the maximum bang for the buck there's only there's only one person that can do that for you hit me only one person that can do that for him. You hear me? There's only one person that would not only represent the players, but will represent the NFL PA. That's me. I'm gonna put my name in the hat. Don't worry about that. You gonna put your name in the hat?

Oh, I'm gonna put my name in the hat. Most definitely. Most definitely. I mean, who better? Who better? Come on, man. Oh no, Ocho, you ain't been keeping up on things like you supposed to.

I'm keeping up, I do my homework, man. Don't let a few laughs and little jokes throw you off your game. I just, I'm hip. My eyes can see, my ears can hear, my nose, I can smell. Yeah. I want Michael to get paid now. He gonna get paid.

I don't like the fact that they're allowing all these days to go by and he's not practicing and when he does get paid he's going from zero to a hundred. I don't like that. Yeah hopefully don't have any you know knock on wood you don't have any because you know what normally happens soft tissue. Yes because the body the body has to get used to the pushing the the pulling, the tugging, the ripping, the just, oh man, makes no sense. It doesn't, it doesn't. Cause I mean, if I'm Mike, I'm thinking like,

bro, what do I have to do? Man, I've done everything right. All pro, I've been to the pro bowl every year. I've had double digit sacks every year. I've done everything that you've asked me to be. I've been a model citizen. Far as we know, he hadn't run a file, hadn't been any trouble off the field. I've done everything that you've asked me to be. I've been a model citizen. Far as we know, he hadn't run a file, hadn't been any trouble off the field.

I've done everything that you've asked. I've been a model citizen. I've been a great representation for this ball club. And now it's my turn. It is my turn. Dak had his turn, C.D. had his turn, Trayvon Diggs had his turn, Steele had his turn. Now it had his turn, Trayvon Diggs had his turn, Steel had his turn.

Now it's my turn. At some point in time, Jerry, you gotta be ahead of the curve. You always fall behind the curve and that's why you gotta pay so much. You fall behind the curve. Yeah. You either, Ocho, you either head of the curve

or you're in the curve. Because if you fall behind, you behind. Now you gotta pay extra catch up. But this is the problem. When someone doesn't see anything wrong with the way they do things, there's no reason to change. There's no reason to change. If I did it to everybody else,

what makes Micah any different? I did it to Zach. I did it to see that CD lamb. I did it to others in the past long before these players were even born. I've been doing it my way for a very long time. I'm now for what? Because winning is not my ultimate goal. It's making a profit and continuing to remain the most profitable franchise. Yeah.

I mean, but I mean, look, you let one of your greatest defensive players go for nothing. DeMarcus where? Cause you thought it was done. All he did was go to Denver, after he went to football. Went to Chip, yeah. And play at an all pro level until he was done. So clearly.

You're doing something right, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I just, like I said, you know, it's tough. But I mean, you miss calling the guy's name. I mean, he's just been there five years. That's all. You doing that on purpose, huh? I don't think he's doing it on purpose.

I don't think he's doing it on purpose. Man, Jerry, oh. He ain't that old not to know his star player's name on defense. Man, you not the most people be calling. Man, my grandma ain't never called me by my real name. My granddaddy gave my brother the name Spanky cause he couldn't say Sterling.

Right. So he gave him a name he could remember, Spanky. No, I mean, to, to like I said, I, maybe it's, I mean, Michael, Michael, it's never been Michael. It's been Michael. Everybody knows the man's name. What if, what if, what if Michael is short for Michael and we didn't even know that? I think his name is Micah. Okay, okay.

I'm just, I'm just, I'm just. Now, normally, Mike is short for Michael. Right. Not Micah. You're right. But hey, maybe it is less, you know what, don't you? We got Google maybe. Yeah, you might. I mean, he ain't mentioned, I ain't you, we got Google maybe. Yeah, you might.

I mean, he ain't mentioned, I ain't never heard him say it though. Yeah, we might want to fact check that because nobody knew Chad was short for Chadwick. Micah Erin Parsons. Hey, his middle name Aaron? Cause what I just said, yes. Listen, his mama named him Aaron.

I'm calling him Aaron from now on. And he just turned 26 years of age, and me. Okay. So, yeah, I don't know what that's about. Oh, Joe, NFL plans to find more than a hundred players and roughly two dozen club employees who were found to be in violation of the NFL tickets resale policy

for reselling Super Bowl tickets at a profit. Under agreement between the league and NFL players association, players who violated rules will be fined one and a half times the face value of the ticket and lose their allotted tickets to the next two Super Bowls. If they're playing in the game, players will have a chance to purchase seats. Those who decline punishment could be suspended by Commissioner Roger Goodale. Ooh, that's tough. That's tough. You know, it's unfortunate for those players, but I don't mean to say it,

but that's been going on for a very long time. But you ain't hear it. And I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know. And we're not talking about players. You know, we talk about even those that are sitting in higher positions have always sold their tickets for profit.

This is nothing new. I think the way to clamp down on it, maybe it's getting out of control now based on what the players are making from a profitable standpoint But with the money they making these days the players is probably sending the tickets or those that don't make as much as others If you understand what I'm saying, I do yeah I think the thing is Ocho's look the reason why they've increased face value of the tickets Because they find out they were scalping them and it says well if you're gonna pay

$5,000 for on the resale we might as well go ahead and put them at 5,000 face value if you're gonna pay that on the secondary market you might as well play this on the primary market and so and plus you have to understand y'all do realize the NFL know the lot number the seat the seating yeah they know all of that. Everything, everything, but this is the first time it's so funny. They're cracking down on that, Ocho. Every Super Bowl though. This has been going on every Super Bowl, but who knows how long, even when I was playing.

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Why are they cracking down on it this year? Pacificly? Why all of a sudden? I'm just curious. Cause you may, you get an FBI involved because people ain't paying taxes. Cause at the end of the day, R.S. gonna want the cut. Oh, Joe. See, that's, that's where you run a file at.

Yeah. Because you sold something. Okay. Uncle Sam said, where am I cut? Right, right, right, right, right. Uh, uh, yeah. Uncle Sam gonna, where am I cut? Right, right, right, right. Uh, uh. Right, yeah. Uncle Sam gonna want his cut.

Yeah. And the NFL has been trying to crack down on this. They look, you want to go to the game? They says, look, you might as well just go ahead and come through us and pay. I think the face value ticket when I was playing was probably 325, 400. They got face value tickets, not probably

cheapest ticket to get in, probably $1,500 to $2,000. And then it goes from there, $2,000, $3,500, $4,000, $50 yard line seats. I mean, obviously, you know, if you get a suite, it might be anywhere from a million to two, two and a half million dollars considering where it's positioned on the field. But I'm not surprised because I kind of saw the direction once they started upping the prices to what the resellers were getting for same said tickets. So I'm really not surprised, Ocho, that they're gonna crack down because look,

NFL's a business. Always has been. And it's kind of like if you run a restaurant, if you don't keep a closed tab, yeah, somebody they gonna give you alcohol and they gonna give your food away. Because they go have a homeboy, their homegirl comes in at the bar, and they're gonna drink for free. Yes, sir. And they're gonna come in there and they're gonna get they're gonna get

meals and they're gonna get them for free. And if you're not careful, they'll be giving some of your prime good stuff out the back door. Yeah. So the NFL says, you know what? We finna crack down on this. Now we done let it slide and we probably, they probably told them about you, you know they first come around at the beginning of the year. They were down a little bit now.

And they were down, they had a little bit more season on it. Okay. Y'all getting out of control. Cause they're like, hold on man, Kansas city. Ooh, going for the three peak. Right. Oh, they're thinking about how, Oh man, they got the Eagles, Jalen Hurts.

You could double charge that, huh? You could throw, you could sell them for double, maybe. Yeah, yeah. So you probably selling those, and you know, you got good seats. Absolutely. Especially if you're one of the teams that are in it, you got good seats. Especially if you're one of the teams that are in it, you got great seats.

At least eight of the 15. Cause I think they gave, you know, you got two comps and you bought the other 13. Eight were really good seats and then seven, I mean, look, you're in the Superbowl. So they like, they was way, way up there, but they were decent seats. But you can, you know,

but things are different now, Ocho. Things are different in there. I think the biggest thing that I will say is there's time changes. You must be willing to adapt to the changing of the times. You can't say like you and I, we can't, oh, man, Ocho, they've been doing this from the beginning of the time. Yeah, they did.

But they cracking down on it now. And they cracking your head. Cause they tried to do Ocho. It used to be, you could like, hey man, you using your Super Bowl tickets? Nah, hey, can I get them? Hey, such as such, get my two Super Bowl tickets to Ocho. Let them buy them.

They can go pick them up too. They can go pick them up. Pick them up, yeah. I remember that. Now, they done put a situation where like, you got to come pick the tickets up. They won't let you transfer them as easily. And you know, it used to be where,

I believe your ticket at Willco, nah, they don't do that anymore. So basically you gotta have the tickets in hand. Well, nah, they're digitally. Well, they used to have, you know, you had to have tickets in hand now they mainly do it digitally scan and they don't want you transferring the tickets. So it's, and I get you right. The guys, probably some of the guys that are doing this, they're not the guys that's making 20, 30, $40 million a year.

They're probably guys that, you know, 30, $40 million a year. They're probably guys that are, you know, on the practice squad. Yeah, trying to make a little change. Trying to drive them, hey, you know, little 18, little $18,000 for two tickets. Quick. That good little, that'll hold me over, Ocho. Quick, quick.

And listen, and people have to understand too, when you think about the NFL, well, how the hell they know what players did it. NFL knows everything. Yeah, they know the tickets. Not only do they know the tickets, they know everything. Yes. Everything.

They know what everybody is doing on all 32 teams who they hang with, where they live, what they spend, where they go, where they shut down, everything. Do people understand that the NFL does their homework so diligently well, not only before you make it, even while you're still in it. Man, they went back and talked to my elementary teacher. My elementary teacher, why you talking to my elementary teacher about what I did in elementary? I wasn't even the same Chad back then. They also owe you tickets. Well, that's why if you have season tickets, you got to be careful

who you let sit in those seats. Because they act a fool, not only do they throw them out, now they take your season tickets. Remember how the Detroit fan, who was that? The Detroit fan that got into it and they took your season tickets? Oh, that's right, that's right. Screaming at the coach?

Screaming at the coach? Yes, yes, yes. So they know, because they got it allotted, okay, the Cincinnati Bengals, they got this allotment of tickets. These are where the section of the bingo tickets are going to be. This is where the Bronco tickets will be.

This is what Green Bay, this is where this one, there is where that one. So they know. Yeah. At this point in time now, guys, it's just not worth it. And I get it. Try to pick up your little extra quick cash, because you get off seven tickets, you're probably looking at, you know, and the problem is you run into it with IRS, because you're

taking cash and you're not paying taxes on that money. I'm saying wanted his cut. Yeah. Uncle Sam, it's just like anything, alcohol, when they found out they could tax it, now all of a sudden you didn't need the bootleg. Cigarettes, once they could find out how to tax it, you didn't need, hey, you didn't need to smuggle them.

Weed, once they found out they could tax it, Yes sir. you see what they did with it. Now, if y'all would just come up and say, well, Uncle Sam, I sold these for 70, here's your 35. Uncle Sam say, do what you do. But you gonna cut, hey, cut me in or cut it out? Hey, you gonna, wait, say that again?

Cut me in or cut it out. Like Joe say, Joe say, cut me in or cut it out. I like that, I gotta say that. I like that. That's it. Uncle Joe, you know how it is. Uncle Sam, it don't matter how small. Man, what Uncle Sam want $35 for?

You say, you want the whole 35. He want his 17 and a half. Hey, wait a minute. Hey, boy. He gonna get it now. Don't play with Uncle Sam now. You can play with a lot of people. Don't play with him.

Listen, them people don't play, you hear me? No. Tick, boy. They don't. They don't. It ain't, hey, hey, I done got audited for a dollar. Yeah.

I got audited. I got audited one time Ocho and the envelope that they sent it in cost more than what I owed. It was just the principle of the matter. Right, right, right, right. Man, don't play with the people about that money because a lot of times they know everything because what you got in your account

and they'll let that interest draw. Now the thing that you will have to learn about Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam is never gonna give you the interest on your money when he late that he's gonna charge you for when you late. So he already know and they'll let that thing go say, oh, he oh, man, now he can't pay. Let me come on in. Let me make an example out of him.

Cause they want the high profile because if they get the high profile because if they get the high profile, they's like, well hell he had millions and they did something bad to him. What they gonna do to me? Right. You go ahead, just go ahead and pay them people, their money, leave Uncle Sam alone. Cause Uncle Sam don't play by his. But I'm, but I'm not surprised that they took this because I kind of being close to the situation and hearing kind of felt they were kind of headed this,

heading in this direction. Yes, sir. I remember when they implemented this Ocho, they were going to the three and the two and the three and the $4,000 face value ticket, the $10,000 face value ticket because the $10,000 face value ticket, because they found out people was willing to pay that. Yeah. They say, man, why they charge $10,000 for some chrome hard jeans? Because people are paid for it. That's why. The same reason they charge

$1,000 for a steak. People will pay for it. Yeah. And if people will pay for it, there'll be somebody there to provide whatever service is needed. You want a tank? Yeah, I need a tank. It gonna cost you five, get me the tank.

You need a bazooka? You need a missile? Whatever you need, somebody will be able to feel that need. Always. Man, Ocho, I need two other Super Bowl tickets. Okay? Hey man, such and such need two other Super Bowl tickets. Well, let me go to a couple of different teams.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I got you. Right. NFL said, nah, we're gonna do away with this. If you want to go watch one of our events, you're gonna have to come through us. You got to pay. Cause all that value and that money that's being made

is going back to them. Yes. Going back to them. How you think they pay each team 432 million six hundred thousand You would think like man what if they'll care about five thousand ten thousand fifteen thousand cuz it adds up It all adds up no matter how small it is it has up Penis make dollars. You ain't got to tell me twice. Yeah.

If it make dollars, it makes sense. With a C and with a S. So yeah, but I'm not surprised that they're taking this thing and I'm glad they kept it anonymous. that they're taking this thing and I'm glad they kept it anonymous. You don't know because if it's somebody, the last thing you want Ochoa is somebody that's making a 50 million and they sell a two tubo tickets for $20,000. So I'm glad hopefully they get this thing resolved and you see, you know, they know everything.

Yeah. They know everything. They know about the gambling because they're going to turn, look, the draft kings and the bets and the this and the that, they want to be able to still be able to bet on football and basketball and baseball. Yes. If you think for one second, they not going to turn your ass in?

Yeah. Phone numbers, emails, anything tracking back to you? And any irregularities, cause that's what they're looking for. Yup. Damn, why this man keep betting on unknown old boy? Yes. Man, why he?

Man, he ain't finished the game yet. Let me make note of that. Damn. Ooh, something ain't adding up. Oh Joe, before Aaron Rodgers signed with the Steelers, former Steelers great quarterback, Super Bowl winning quarterback, Terry Bradshaw called the move a joke. Terry added,

what are you going to do? Bring him in for one year? Are you kidding me? That guy needs to stay in California, go somewhere, chew on bark and whisper to the gods out there. Roger responding this week saying, I whisper to the gods every single day. He's got an idea of what he thinks about me based on what I've done. The documentary, what's said, darkness retreat, whatever the hell you want to talk about. I love to get to know Terry on a deeper level. I feel like he gave me a chance to get to know him. Then we have a good friendship.

Ocho? Yeah. Honest assessment. Yeah. What do you expect from Aaron Rodgers this year? And what do you expect from the Steelers this year and what do you expect from the Steelers this year? Listen, Aaron Rodgers only has to do one thing.

Facilitate the ball and do his best not to make mistakes. That's all he has to do. You got DK, that's one nice target. Defensively aware the Steelers are going to win football games. We just need Aaron Rodgers to manage the games and be a game manager, a moniker that most people see as an insult, which it is not, and don't turn the ball over. Defense will take care of the rest

because that's where the Steelers identity is now, from now on. They're best players on that side of the ball. It is what it is. And if we get flashes, if we can get flashes of brilliance of the old Aaron Rodgers, so be it. Thank you.

But the people on offense are going to have to be the one to uplift Aaron Rodgers, because he's not the same quarterback he used to be where he can uplift everyone else around him. It's completely opposite now. I agree with you. I agree with everything that you said. You look at their best player,

they're on that side of the ball, the defense side of the ball. You look at TJ Watts, you look at Cam Hayward, you look at Jalen Ramsey, you look at their best player, they're on that side of the ball, the defense side of the ball. You look at TJ Watts, you look at Cam Hayward, you look at Jalen Ramsey, you look at Daria Slay, Joy Porter Jr. Their best players are on that side of the ball now. Crazy. And so Aaron just needs to be, and Aaron has never been a heavy turnover guy.

He threw double digit interceptions, but that's not normally Aaron's MO. I think he only has maybe two or three seasons in which he's had double-digit turnovers, interceptions. We've seen him throw four interceptions over the course of a season. We've seen him throw five interceptions, six interceptions over the course of a season. He's normally very, very good with the ball. That is the Aaron Rodgers. They need the old Aaron Rodgers, not an old Aaron Rodgers.

And if he can give them that, give them that level of consistency. I think they're gonna be in every game. If you think you're gonna just go in there and blow the doors off them, that ain't gonna happen. That ain't gonna happen. That ain't gonna happen. I know that, listen, I know the names look good on paper,

but all the players that they've acquired are proven, not on paper, but on the field. So you get those type of players, your Jalen Ramsey, your Darryl Slays, your Joey Porter Jr., who is very, very good, who doesn't get the deserves, because everything is always talked about from an off in the standpoint,

especially referring to the quarterback position. You got TJ Watt,en, man, listen, they gonna be all right. In that D, we're gonna have them in games. We just need Aaron Rodgers not to bottle it. They gonna be all right. I agree, I agree. Do you believe the Steelers will accept it?

Yeah, yeah, listen, they not there to make friends. We not here to make friends. We here to accept winners. We are here, listen, are here to do one thing. We got one singular focus, win, and do the best we can to have a good record, a decent enough record to make to the playoffs. And from that point on, we know it's four games after that.

Right. That's all it is. It becomes a new season. Four games after that. Can we get to that point? Well, the Steelers have gone to the playoffs, but they haven't won a playoff game since 2016. I think that was the year that they ended up beating,

think they beat Kansas City. Remember they went to Kansas City and LeBion had that outstanding game and they ended up winning that game. But if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, so chat, don't hold that against me. But I don't think they've won a playoff game since 2016. That's almost been 10 years,, Joe, for the Steelers.

Yeah. That's the Steelers. That's the funny thing about it is they haven't, it's been 10 years, but they've had winning seasons and see how hard it is to get into the playoffs when you're in that AFC, especially that damn division we in. Yeah. Um, look, I think the thing is, is that these guys like Terry, Terry's way over mine. Terry was the number one overall draft pick in 1970. Hell, I was born in 68. So two years after

I was born, Terry was the, you know, I came in the league in 90. So that, so there is at least a what? We're breaking down SummerSlam, the biggest party of the summer on Wrestling with Freddie. From our bold picks to storyline breakdowns, we will discuss who walks out with gold, who shocks the night, and which matches steal the show. We call the winners, the upsets, and the chaos to expect, plus whatever swerves nobody saw coming. Listen to Wrestling with Freddie as part of the My Kultura podcast network available on

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