Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Best of NFL - Part 2: Will Pats release Stefon Diggs? + Lamar Jackson shaded

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Recap the best NFL topics of the week as Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to reports that release is “on the table” for Patriots WR Stefon Diggs after a trouble offseason video surfaced, a Falcons rookie throwing shade at Ravens QB Lamar Jackson, and much more!01:41 - Dak Prescott still “developing”04:55 - Falcons not shopping Kyle Pitts07:46 - Cobee Bryant throws shade at Lamar Jackson and James Harden18:45 - Ranking the 12 teams most likely to win first super bowl22:00 - Could the Patriots release Stefon Diggs?34:30 - Brad Holmes sounds off on reporters38:46 - OBJ reflects on Giants exit44:00 - Roddy White says Kyle Shanahan didn’t believe in him(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, I guess he's gonna implement his cuz that was Mike McCarthy's off Hey, if that's the case then he is in a developmental stage because he happened to learn a new offense, all the new nuances and all the intricacies of that new offense. So I totally understand. I mean, that gives me better context. So, I mean, that's understandable. That's understandable.

I'm excited for that, man. I'm excited for that. I just hope they ready to, I just hope they ready to use Pick the right way. C.D. Lamb is going to get his regardless especially when he plays in the slot. When C.D. Lamb is in the slot, it creates mismatches regards to who they're playing. It doesn't matter who they're playing and we know what Pick can do on the outside. He can take a short and go hit his head off the goal post or he can go deep. Well, yeah, you gotta, I mean, look,

they should be really explosive in the passing game. We're gonna see, get it protected. Cause you know, you lose, I mean, Zach Martin is retired. The offensive line was, wasn't, it was kind of shaky last year, Ocho. So let's see what they, what, how have they shored up that, the running game, Blue had some really good games. So it's gonna be very interesting to see

what the Cowboys are offensively as far as protection. If we don't, look, you can have all the guys you want, but you don't protect your quarterback, it ain't gonna do you no good. At all, at all. That goes for the Cowboys. That goes for my Bengals. That goes for the goddamn Chiefs dying there

in Kansas City. Yeah. And who else? Well hell, the Eagles don't gotten in the world about for a long time. I mean the Eagles got the best offensive line of football though. Yeah, they got the best Chief of the line of football too.

Yeah, but I'm looking at, I mean think about it. Look at the right tackle and the left tackle. You got Lane Johnson and Maulana. You got Jacinta, you replace it with Jess and Kelsey, and you replace Jason Kelsey, and that guy, he's a damn good old pro, but he goes to the Pro Bowl. And you look at Dixon, one of your best guards, I mean, so they good, they set for the foreseeable future at the offensive line position. Should Dak be embarrassed that Brian Schottenheimer said that he's in the developmental state phase? Absolutely not. Because if you learn a new offense, it's completely different. You have to rewire and relearn everything, even though you played the game for 10 years.

So saying he's in a developmental stage at this time with an OTA, it's acceptable. Acceptable, because that's what it is. It's a time for you to develop and learn everything that comes with that off because it's going to be completely different than what you learned before. ESPN, Jeremy Fowler reports that Kyle Pitts would be open to a trade even though he's not necessarily looking to be moved and the Falcons aren't aggressively shopping him. So I checked with the source who said that look, if Atlanta gets the right counter deal

for Kyle Pitts, it could very well come together. This is not a situation where he's requesting a trade, but if he has a chance to go maybe to a better office where he's more featured, he's sort of a third or fourth wheel right now in Atlanta. And could be something that he's open to. I like it. And he wouldn't be a third or fourth wheel if he hadn't gotten hurt. You have to understand after the ACL, he hasn't been the same cow pits we saw at Florida. He just hasn't. And if you watch him close, there's a slight limp when he runs.

There's a slight limp. You can tell exactly which knee he tore his ACL. It's unfortunate. As great as he is, he's still very good. Now that he's recovered somewhat from that injury, I would like to see him in a different offense where he can be featured more. Well, yeah, yeah. I think that's, I mean, where, where that would be, I'm not sure. That's the problem.

That's the, that's the problem. I think he'd be great in Kansas city. Oh, that's nasty. A player like Kyle Pitts of his caliber before he got injured. If he hadn't got injured, we always talk about Hockinson and then, and then. LaPorta. Crazy. We took Bride.

Yeah. Bowers. Listen, he was eons above everyone I just named eons above. The only thing that set him back was that injury. Um, I don't understand how special he is. How many of those dudes I just named can go up go line up out there receiver and run it out? Ain't a whole lot of them. I mean you know they're versatile now but this guy had move he had wiggle. Like you said he could run the router he could run the slam he could run out he'd run a comeback

dig end cuts so yeah he was special. But now he's two years removed from that ACL. Now he's in his fifth year, isn't he? Or is it his fourth year? I think he's in his fourth year. It should be four. I think it's year four for Kyle, if I'm not mistaken. He gonna be all right. What is it?

Good. Is it his fifth year or fourth year? Because I don't think they picked up his fifth year option. That's a little motivation right there. It is? Little motivation. One, two, three, four, five. This is fifth year.

Hey listen, and I hope Michael Penning Jr. knows they didn't pick up that 50 year option and, and throwing the ball every play on purpose so we have a hell of a year so we can get paid in off season. Oh, Joe. What's that? Falcons undrafted free agent, Kobe Bryant. Spell C O B E E Kobe, went after Lamar Jackson on Snapchat. Take a look at the picture. Is that Harden?

Yep. Man, what buddy doing? Great regular season, not so much in the postseason. That's the rookie did that? Yeah, earned draft a free agent. What's up with buddy? That's the rookie did that? Yeah. Undrafted free agent. What's that with Buddy? Hey, I'm just saying that, I mean, that's, that's, that might be some personal.

Maybe that's some personal we don't know about. Huh? I, I, bro, I, bro, I don't know. Look, you already know. I only know one Kobe Bryant rest is sold. Yes, sir. And they spelled it like the state. So I don't know this young man, and he might turn out to be a phenomenal player.

And I hope he does. Yes, sir. But it's a little early for you to be talking this kind of noise. Now you need to be Pat Surtan, you need to be J Ram, you need to be one of them big dogs, Stingley Jr. Okay, you want to take a shot? Okay, you gonna get a shot?

Come on now. Well, hold on, hold on. He got my attention now. He got Kobe Bryant, huh? Bro, you ain't gonna be paying no attention. We got bigger fish to be worried about than him. Hold on, hold on. No, we got bigger fish to,

but if you take shots like this, right? You got that boy. So now you got my attention, so I'm trying to see what you like on that field. Well, hey, I sure hope they play the Ravens so we can find out. Well, in what position he play? Your corner, right?

Ooh, he a corner? Yeah. Okay, he talking about the ice. This man put James Harden head on Lamar Jackson body with the number and everything. Okay. Who he play for? The Hawks. I mean the Falcons. Okay. The schedule out. Do the Ravens play the Falcons this year? I don't know. Do the Falcons play the Ravens?

I'm gonna call my dog. I'm gonna call AJorello asked AJ Torello if Kobe Bryant really like that Yeah, I got I got I got I got to watch some film on young bull No, normally when you talk like this, so you know, you throw a little shade that mean that mean you like that man That's a big old tree. They know little shade big old oak tree. There ain't no little shade. I don't know what he was thinking with this one right here. I mean, you know what he was thinking. Yeah, but people try to figure out why he did it. Hell, I don't know. I don't know either.

That's why the first thing I said is maybe this is something personal that we don't know about. Well, he should go to Lamar. Most of the time when you're young like that, coming into the NFL, you always respect your elders, especially the great ones like that. Yeah. I bet I'd be told you, man, them young ones ain't had no... No respect?

Nah, not like it. That's why... Uh, I don't... I don't... Perfect. Man, I would have never. I don't, I don't. Man, I would have never, I don't know. It's just hard. But go ahead, I'll be, look, that's that.

Hey, look, we love the First Amendment. He has a right to say whatever he wants to say. Yeah. Hey, bro, you have to go out there and back that up now. Oh, yeah. So now you put, now you put the pressure on yourself. Not too hard. I mean, right now you got to alligator mouth alligator mouth now don't let don't have no hummingbird ass. I'm pinning pad at now. Gotta use that. Oh they play the Ravens they play the Ravens next year. Nah Lamar beat up me out about that they need to get this thing oh they need to get this going now. Hey they say hey Lamar promised hey uh Harba, y'all put this, put them on the

preseason schedule and I play it. L. Jackson, I play it. Hey. Man, Lamar probably, hey, you know, one of Lamar boys or somebody probably sitting to him and say, hey, dawg, what's up with old boy? Lamar probably like, huh, who? And man, look at old boy, look what I sent you. And one thing by eight, he don't talk.

He ain't even finna respond, he ain't finna answer. No, I know, but I'm saying he's like, he probably like, what, who, what, who, who, yeah, who is this? I just, I told you what he's trying to do, huh? Get your name out there, you do something, you do something, you ain't got no business, no different than that reporter,

that reporter with cases. Right, yeah. A reporter that just, listen, throw your name out there, you do something, you do something, you ain't got no business, no different than that reporter, that reporter with cases. Right, yeah. A reporter that just, listen, throw your name out there, throw the bait, throw the fish, everybody gonna bite. Okay, boom, now, the ass. The camera's on me now. I guess he was at, I guess he was at, he was at Kansas last year, Ocho.

Huh? He was at Kansas. He could play college ball at Kansas last year. He was nice? He would like that? I don't know. What did Travis do? Well, I mean, he was undrafted, so. I mean, I don't know if he has decent speed. I don't know.

Hey, chat, chat, Kobe Bryant like that? Let me know, man. Let me know. Let me know. Nah, I need to have a Keem's number. I call Akim Talba or Chris Harris Jr. They went to Kansas. They would know more. Wait, they J-Hawks?

Yeah. Wait, how, how could Keev get out of, uh, he ain't go to Texas? Mm-mm. Keev would, uh, uh, uh, would to Kansas. So would Chris Harris Jr. Oh, Chris Harris, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what those boys think, but I don't know what would prompt him, because Lamar don't really do no talking.

I mean, every once, I've seen, I've probably seen Lamar more at like fashion events, chilling, as opposed to sitting doing anything else. I know, I think, I don't know if he still has it. I know he used to have don't know if he still has it. I know he used to have his, uh, his camp, um, his, uh, football camp. Right. Lamar laid really, really low.

Oh, he crazy low, bro. So I'm, I'm, I don't, I don't know what, what, what, what prompted Buddy to do this. I don't know. I tell you, I'm telling you, it's something personal. I'm telling you, we just, we just don't know about it because nobody takes- Who's he from? Is he from Florida?

He ain't from the Korean? I'm sorry, I'm asking Ash. Ash is looking for it now. I don't know where he from. I don't know where he from. Evergreen, Alabama. I don't think they had no dealings, don't you? Nah, listen, I know he must be like that.

That's all I know. Anytime you take a shot like that, that high, you got to be able to back it up with your player. So I know he must, he got to be that boy. Yeah, I know, yeah. No, I don't know about all that, Ocho. I mean, we'll see, we'll see. Oh, look, I'm not making light of him

being an undrafted free agent, because all I'm saying, you give me a helmet and show the pass, and then I'll show you what I'm not making light of him being an undrafted free agent, because all I'm saying is, you give me a helmet and shoulder pads, and then I'll show you what I'm capable of doing. Yeah, yep. I look at it like that. So all that other stuff, I don't get caught up with.

He was this, he was that. I don't know, Chad, I don't know. I wish I knew maybe Chad, y'all can chime in the chat and says, well, he said Lamar said something about this, or he'd been going at Lamar for a minute. I don't know. So I don't, I don't want to speculate getting the conjecture in you window.

All I know is that it seems from where I'm sitting, I don't know how Ocho feel, but it seems like from where I'm sitting, he took an unprompted shot at Lamar. Yeah. And everybody knows what, what that means. That means that, means that James Harden sensational in the regular season become postseason. Not so much. Yeah. Hey now you got that you got that target now. Yeah. Every time you at seven yards every time you impressed now this this is gonna come up, so you know you got,

oh you got to come to play, boy. Oh yeah, Fav for sure. Well you got to play anyway, because there are a lot of guys in this league that have the utmost respect for Lamar. All of them. And so when you take a shot at him, they're like, bro, this man don't bother nobody.

And a lot of people, you know, there's some that feel like, man, he should have been a three-time MVP. They ride him with that. So they, like I said, like, I don't know the kid. So I wish him the best. But hey, he talking like that, he might be like that, don't you? Yeah, I think we gonna find out.

You know, I know one thing, I know who he is now. So all I want to see is if the memes and the jokes match up with the play. Because it got to be, it got to be balanced. It can't be one or the other. It got to, it got to make sense. It absolutely has to make sense. And especially with a day like Kobe Bryant, even though it's football, you got to represent. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I'd have... They didn't know Kobe Bryant, obviously.

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Boston Sports Talk radio host and former New England Patriots quarterback Scott Zolak says it's possible that the Pats could release Stefan Diggs before he ever plays it down for the team. Speaking on 98 to 5 Sports Hub, Zolak said, the following about the potential of the Patriots cutting Diggs. I came to this show yesterday with the opinion,

with the opinion, not an opinion, but the knowledge that is on the table. That is being thought of, and it's just not the boat. It's just not the boat. There are some other things that I've heard that put some things in the question. Are you all in here? He's Ocho. This is what he said.

I came to this show yesterday with the opinion, not an opinion, but the, but the knowledge that it is on the table. yesterday with the opinion, not an opinion, but the, but the knowledge that is on the table. A whole bunch of nothing. That's what I say. Oh Joe, but you know, when you go to places like new England, you know, Oh Joe, you know how you got to move. You can't move like New England. You know, Ocho, you know how you got to move. You can't move like you can't. I know it's the off season, but you can't move like you were there. As a matter

of fact, I don't even want to talk about it. Talk about when you were there. Hold on, hold on. Bill Belichick ain't there no more. It's the same system. Bill Belichick. Let me ask you a question. Mike Vrabel doesn't work with a hard hand the way Bill does. Now, we talk about a player's coach now. You got Mike in there. It's a different ballgame.

Okay. I'm sure he doesn't run that motherfucker like a military system. Hey, Chad. Hey, Yung. I swear to God. My right hand to God. If anybody in the chat has seen the movie Full Metal Jacket. If you've seen the movie Full Metal Jacket. I know you saw Full Metal Jacket, right? Yes. Remember the beginning of the movie? Yes. Yes. I've never been to the Army, never been to the Navy, never been a Marine. But the way the drill

sergeant was in that movie is what it felt like. The structure, the discipline where everything had to be right. The cursing, the, it didn't matter who you was, who you were, everybody was expendable. That's how Bill, that's the kind of ship, type of ship Bill ran. This is what Mike Grable said. He wasn't happy with the video either. It's something we're aware of it. Obviously we want to make great decisions on and off the field. Any conversations that I've had with Stefan

will remain between him and I and the club. So I will ask you again, Ocho. Yeah. If it was no big deal, do you believe the head coach would have said what he said? What he didn't have a choice to say? Any conversation, if they or may not have had, will remain.

He had no choice but to say something because everybody made a big deal of the goddamn thing. It was that he was gonna be with anyone. No, no, no, no. I don't worry about what the fans say. I ain't got nothing to do with that. I run the club. I don't run it. No, no, no. You have to because that's the era we're in. We're in the social media era. So if there's that video... Did Bill Belichick ever respond? Did Bill Belichick ever respond? Bill Belichick?

Now there were things going on in Tennessee. He didn't respond to... Bill and Mike, they're two completely different coaches. There are different coaches, but where do you think he learned how to coach? Where do you think you learn from what you're around? I have a question. Yes. Everybody that underbills,

that went to be a head coach, how do they do? I'm not saying they, I'm not saying. I'm not saying. Nobody's able to do or emulate or come at what he's done. But here's the thing. You want to have as few of distractions, teams that have few distractions, those are the teams that normally win. Not saying always because the Cowboys of the 90s, they were so talented, they had distractions

in one regardless. But the question, look here, for Scott Zolak to say what he said, he said this is not an opinion. Who is Scott Zolak? He called play by play. He does color for the Patriots. Okay. Okay. He was there when you was there. Okay. All right.

He said this is not, he said with the opinion, not an opinion, but the knowledge that it is on the table. Now why would he have said that if it's not the case? They say a lot of things. They say a lot of things. So you say he making this up? No, I just say I take it with a grain of salt. Okay. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Who's the best receiver in that wide receiver room right now? That is how they do it in

New England. It's the Patriot way. It ain't, you don't even have the players that have the Patriot way anymore. You can't move, number 12 is gone. Ray Lewis is not there. Travelle loves Ed Reed, I'm not in Baltimore. You play like a raven. You have Lamar Jackson. It's different. You have Lamar Jackson. There is no Tom Brady in this game.

Lamar Jackson did not fit the culture in Baltimore. I don't care how great Lamar is, Lamar Jackson did not fit the culture for what's in Baltimore. That was long established way before Lamar Jackson set not set the culture for what's in Baltimore. That was long established way before Lamar Jackson set foot in Baltimore. Oh, wait, I'm talking about from a skill set. Drake May and Lamar Jackson...

I'm talking about the culture in which you do think... Oh, Joe, the military, first of all, it's not people that go to the mil... It's been established. The military run regardless of who's there. You set the standard. You do things a certain way I'm not listen I I don't really know Stefan Diggs I know he's a

phenomenal receiver I know he's coming off an injury and I do believe he can help the Patriots yeah he's the best receiver there what do you mean believe oh on what leg oh Joe was he the best receiver in Buffalo? Yeah, then let him go. Was he the, was he, he was one of the best receivers in Houston? And let him go. Yeah, yes, but Nego, Nego Collin was that boy.

Nego Collin, damn near top five, but go ahead. Let me ask you a question. Was Tyreke Hill the best receiver in Kansas City? Hell yeah. Was Randy Moss the best receiver in Kansas City? Hell yeah. Was Randy Moss the best receiver in Minnesota, in Oakland, in New England? Was Keoh the best receiver in San Francisco? Was he the best receiver in Philly? Was he the best receiver in Dallas?

Yeah. You see where I'm going with this? Yes. Okay. I see you going. But also, also everybody doesn't have to move like a goddamn robot. It's the off season. He's on the boat. Okay. I see you going. But also, also everybody doesn't have to move like a goddamn robot. It's the off season.

He's on a boat. Okay. Now everybody don't want to fucking live like that. I'm just fucking boring. Ocho. He's only about having a proper remit. Ocho, you killing the messenger. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, minute. Hey, stay with me. You talk, listen, listen to me. Stay with me real quick. When you, you operate in a different manner. You operate, stay with me.

I love you to death. You operate in a different manner. Yeah. In New England, they have a certain way to do things. Everybody's not living life born like a fucking robot. Everybody operate that way. But here's the thing. He gave nothing to him.

He's on a boat. And that's it. Oh, Joe. Listen, they talk about he knows he's being filmed. So whatever he's passing out is not what people are saying it is. I'm sure he told variable that it was harmless. Oh, Joe. All I'm saying is, is that excuse me, in certain situations, you have to move accordingly. I understand that in the off seasonseason that should be my free time.

Right. But you just have to, you know, you have to move a certain way. I got you. That's all I'm saying. I'm with you. I'm with you. But listen. I get you.

Like. Listen, we're in a different time. We're in a different time. Players are a little different. You ain't go nowhere. You know my chief ass ain't going nowhere. I've been in Miami all my life. I've been on the boat one time in 2000 and I threw up. I ain't been on the boat since. So I mean just I'm just looking at it from a

different landscape not defending Stephon Diggs at all. I'm just looking at it from a different standpoint of damn these boys can't even live their life. Gamers everywhere. You really can't even live their life. Cameras everywhere. You really can't do nothing. You can't go to where. But you know it was like that in New England, don't you? Cause guess who's still there? Mr. Craft.

Oh, you think he's on board with this? You know how he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, they had one year, right? Yes. They gave, they fired, what's his name after, after, come on, what's his name? Um, Oh, uh,

Rod Mayo. Rod Mayo. Rod Mayo. They gave him one year, you know, Friday. So now, Brable's there. We want to turn things around fast as possible. Get all the pieces around a quarterback and Drake May, who played very well last year and they wanted to make another leap this year.

Giving them all the right pieces and players that make his job easier. Stephon Yigs is one of those players that makes his job easier. In that wide receiver room, veteran presence, very good receiver. One of the better rock runners of the league, despite ACL injury, hell, he won the better rock runners of the league with one motherfucking leg, excuse me, recursion. But I understand what happened. Steph probably won't have this issue again. Probably won't be on the boats again. Probably won't be around cameras again, but he still, it's the same life he's always lived. This is, this has always been him. I'm sure you know I know him personally and just

What we saw isn't what it was And I just think the thing is that you have to understand where you'd like, okay Maybe they allowed you to do that in Buffalo allowed you to do that in Houston, but you know when you go to Memphis New England, they operate on a different set of rules. They do. And they really do. Because Mr. Kraft, you know, he's like as little distraction as possible. Even though Coach Belichick, the Patriots, I guarantee you, they still got a sign up saying even Coach Belichick is gone. Or on the radio is gone. They probably still got a thing up that says the Patriot way, just like the Ravens have a play like a Raven.

Yeah, absolutely. That culture was established a long time ago. And the thing is, is that what helped Baltimore is as you mentioned, Lamar came in and he bought into that culture. Play to a standard. I'm playing all that other stuff. Don't even matter. Yeah.. Play to a standard. I'm playing. All that other stuff, don't even matter. I play to the culture.

I play it like a Raven. The Ray Lewis's and the Rod Woodson's and the Terrell Suggs and the Ed Reed, myself when I was there, there's a standard in which you play to. And it helps when you don't have a Ray Lewis and all those guys there, but you still have a Lamar. Right.

And so Lamar's job is make sure the guys that, hopefully he has another decade, that he trends like, look guys, I'm not gonna be here forever. But there's a tradition here. And your job is to uphold that. So yeah, it's just a different time now, Ocho. It's different.

Yeah. It is really, really different. Yeah. And it's so funny. I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to go there, but we talk about, you know what? I ain't going to do it. Because we talk about the Patriots, and you know what?

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Takes reporters to task over past criticism. Let's take a listen to what he had to say, Ocho. I like this. I like this. When he looked back at those picks, and those picks were not welcomed by many in this room. You know, they didn't want to expect a quarterback. You didn't want us to pick Penesul. You know, people didn't want us to wait to the fourth round to draft a wide receiver.

But every single move was intentional. I think you all would expect me to be accountable when I'm up here. When things don't go right, you'd expect me to be accountable. When you heard so much negativity about our draft and then when I said look wait till they start playing football it'll be appreciative. When they start playing football and people start giving credit the negativity kind of just everybody forgot about it. I give I give probably two people credit in this room that said, you know, I was

wrong. Hmm. I like that. I like that. I like the fact that he can sit up there and actually do that and let the media know that you guys don't know the game. Like I do. I know what I'm doing when I'm in that war room.

I've studied, you guys might've been, y'all might be a part of the media. You might be analysts, you might understand the game, but you don't know it as well as I do. That's why I'm in the position I'm in now. Picking and choosing what our team needs, what our needs are, what players best fit our system. And he hasn't missed yet. Yo, made a trade for Jerry Dolph.

What effing reporter complained about Peney Sewell getting drafted? Because they wanted him to take, they wanted him to take Chase. Oh, okay. Oh, understandable. But listen, you didn't miss with Jamison Weaves and Amon Ross St. Brown. Nah, it ain't the crown winner, but you still got some dogs. You got Brian Mrench. You got Jamirage You got your mere games and they don't you got in tar arms

Arnold there every on Terry on Arnold. Yeah, yeah, you're nice You got him eight we get my daughter stop holding and use his feet a little bit more. You got Hudson It's gonna be alright. You got Hutchinson. Oh Because here's the thing, when guys miss, oh, you could have had this guy, you could have had that guy. Quick to write that in the paper. We'll write that in the paper, how good Brad Holmes has been with his draft selection.

And he hasn't missed. I have a question. Was he there when they drafted, is it not Arnett? There's another, there's another, there's another DB that I really liked from Ohio state that went that day. I think he got drafted to. Oh, you talk about, uh, I really liked him in college. What's the guy's name?

He went to Atlanta. He was a, yeah, I know who you're talking about. Nah. Uh, oh, cool. The Jeff O'Couter, no, yeah, for Cuda. Yeah. I liked the young bull. Where, Okuda. Uh. Okuda. Jeff Okuda, no? Yeah, Okuda. Hey, I like the young boy. Where's Jeff Okuda now? Anybody in the chat know where Jeff is now?

I really like, I really like. I think he's only like his third or 14. No, it's only like year four, year three or four for him. OK. Hey, I like him, man. Hey, that goddamn Brian Branch. What team is he on now? Cause he got traded. I think they traded him.

Yeah, but where is he? 38. Yeah, he got drafted to Detroit though. He got drafted to Detroit. He was in Atlanta. He was in Houston. Now he's on Minnesota. I said he's on his third or 14 now. Damn.

I wonder why. I don't know. I don't know if you was talking about like, yeah, he's not there. No, he's on his third or 14. I know he's not there. I'm just saying. No, I'm saying, but I knew he was on his third or 14. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah. Yeah, I like him. I like him. Oh Joe, O.J. said he never wanted to leave the Giants. I never ever wanted to leave New York Giants. The reason you heard me talking about what I was going on was because I was pissed because where I come from in college, if we lost one game, our season was over.

This was the organization I got drafted to. They believed in me. So if the Giants went and won the Super Bowl, I would be happy. But deep down inside, I wanted to be the one. No question. So it's definitely you always hold that. But then someone like me went and the Rams won the Super Bowl, but still, you just won't bat. Odell has bounced around between five teams

since joining the NFL in 2014. Yeah. Man, Odell, man, was- You don't realize, Ocho, you and I both, I played on two teams. You played on two teams. Yeah. You don't realize how good you got it.

You, everybody always thinks it's better somewhere else. And I can, I'm gonna have so many more catches, and I'm gonna have so many more yards, and I'm gonna have so many more touchdowns. And everything that you need is right where you are. You know what? But he was in a situation where he didn't want to leave. He didn't want to leave.

He was perfect. He was perfect in New York. Well, you have to... Ocho, you can't say, I don't want to leave this job, and I conduct myself in a manner which they're going to get rid of me, Ocho, damn! Yeah, yeah, you're right. I'm... Don't scream at me. But I'm saying, no, but I'm saying he said he didn't want to leave. But do you... I mean, Odell could have conducted himself in a way, and they wouldn't have.

He put him in a, he put him, he backed him in a corner. Yeah, yeah, you right, you right. Hey, unbelievable. What, man, Odell's first four years, was as electrifying as you gonna see any receiver. Yeah. You go back and look at his numbers. You look the about a yard the about a touchdowns the highlight plays. He was Sensational. Yeah, absolutely

Absolutely, babe box office, baby And he was tailor-made for that because of his personality. He's any perfect perfect while wrong He could have been Michael Stray head. He could have been G. I mean, he had, I mean, he had New York eating out the palm of his hand. Hey, that's the, that's the perfect scenario, but, um, you know, it's funny. I think if, for, for Old Dale, if I think he's able to reflect and look back on it now Mm-hmm. He would probably change the way oh

Yeah, for sure. Wait, not the way he acted on on the not on the field I'm talking about on the field maybe some of the stuff on the sideline. Maybe some of the stuff. Yes Yes, I think he'll change some of that. But we sure what he did on the field. Oh my goodness No, you special. He was special. Oh my goodness. No, he was special. He was special. Oh, yeah, listen, I said it not too long ago. We had some shows a while ago. I said, well, he might have been the first $200 million

receiver. And this was before they even got to the money they're getting into now. That's how special in box office he was. Well, that's what he was trending towards. Yeah. Oh my goodness man he I just thought that's what I mean I hate that yeah because he I promise you

he gonna kick himself because he knows he never should have left the Giants he knows it that mean he what what he wasted two years in Cleveland, in Baltimore, here in Miami. The Rams was a great pickup from him. He had a quarterback to get him the ball. He had an offensive coordinator that knew how to get him the ball. He had Cooper Cup that was playing phenomenal. So when they double cup, he's working one-on-one. You remember the game he had against Tampa because they're trying to double Cooper Cup. He goes for a hundred. Cooper Cup still get his hundred.

He was playing well in the championship game against the 49ers, played well in the football, had a touch called the first touchdown towards me up. That's the second time he had torn that knee up. Yeah. And just, and then obviously, you know, he broke his ankle. I think he broke his ankle. I think he broke his ankle. There's only so much twitch you got in your body. Only so much twitch you got, Ocho.

There's only so much you got. He was phenomenal. I mean, his hands, his route running, he played a lot bigger than his, his stature. Absolutely. Hey, he was running after the catch. I was just, I was just going to say, Hey, what is it about every goddamn LSU and Alabama receiver?

They are phenomenal with the ball in their hands. Phenomenal. Jedis, Chase, Brian Thomas Jr., Julio Jones, Jerry Judy. Malik neighbors. Malik,, man, because each one teach one, they go back and they teach, you know, Julio and you got Calvin Ridley and you got Amari Cooper and you got, uh, you got waddle and you got Devante and you got, you know, you got Judy.

Yeah. It's one thing to be able to run routes, but then they got the other half. All of them can run. Roddy white says Cal Shanahan told him he'd rather throw the ball to Jacob Tammy than Roddy with the game on the line. Shanahan told Roddy he wasn't a top four option on the 2015 team. Man. Shanahan line like crazy, man. We talk about Roddy white wasn't the top four option on the 2015 team. Man, Shanahan lying like crazy, man.

We talk about Roddy White, what? Not just anybody, but we talk about Roddy White, but at War 84. Huh? As an Atlanta legend to me, a player I used to watch. You talk about Roddy White. Julio had. He said that for real. I don't know.

That's what, that's what Roddy White said. Hell, I wasn't there. Hey, Roddy, don't take my last. Julio had 203 targets. He had 136 catches, 1,871 yards, 8 touchdowns. Jacob Tammy had 81 targets, 59 catches, 657 yards, 1 touchdown. Devontae Freeman, he had 97 targets, 73 catches, 578 yards, three touchdowns.

Roddy White had 70 targets, 43 catches, 506 yards, 11.8 yards per catch, one touchdown. Well, what was this? Is this last year or something? I think it was last year in Atlanta. Oh, well, I would see why the numbers look like that. Yeah, I see what I look at. I see what I meant.

I know something about Kyle. I've known him since he was a kid. Yeah. Played for his dad. He has a lot of dad. He got a guy like Julio with his guy. Yeah. Hope Julio gets a blow cuz that's when the ball will come your way oh he gonna feed oh his number one receiver gonna get fat

you gonna feed him huh that's the way the West Coast system work right oh yeah yeah yeah most definitely look at Jerry look at Teoh in that system look at my brother in that system and look at my brother in that system. And look at, look at Cooper cup, triple crown year. Look at drafting, putting the core. Okay. Boom. Same thing. Yep.

Go back and look at green Bay when it was Antonio Freeman and all those guys that was great. Hey, green green base still run West coast, but it's my committee now. Yeah. Ain't telling who going gonna have a goddamn day. Well, that's what Jacob said. That's what Jacob said. We need a dog. You need one guy that you can throw the ball to and he gonna go get it.

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