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Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson relive the best moments of their interviews during the 2024 Paris Olympics. 100m champ Noah Lyles stops by to discuss how he came the world's fastest man, criticism he got from NBA players, his back and forth with Anthony Edwards and if he will ever race Tyreek Hill. Later, Unc and Ocho are joined by Men's 1500m Gold Medalist Bobby Finke, 200m Gold Medalist, US track and field legend Michael Johnson, and much more!03:10 - Intro03:53 - Noah Lyles joins23:00 - Bobby Finke joins31:37 - Gabby Thomas joins38:00 - Michael Johnson joins49:44 - The 400 mixed relay team join54:30 - Rai Benjamin joins01:04:30 - Nyjah Huston joins(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got no more introductions to make. Here he is the current world's fastest man, Olympic gold medalist in the 100 meters. He's a three time 200 meter champ at the world championship. He anchored the world, the gold medal winning team in the world championship last year. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Noah Lyle. Noah, how you doing, bro? Feeling good, feeling good. That race, leading into it, you ran your fastest time that Diamond League meet.

I think you ran 9.81. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Kashane Thompson has run 9.77, and everybody's talking. That's the man to beat. That's the man to beat. And you had never run sub 9.8. To run it in the finals finals when you absolutely had to

have it. Tell me what was your strategy going into that race and how were you able to pull it off? To be honest, I had many strategies. They all kind of, you know, were thrown out the window. The closer and closer we got to the finals, you know, in the first round, I'm like, okay, you know, I'm gonna work on my first 60. I'm gonna get out. But you know, you know, the first time I'm like, OK, you know, I'm gonna work on my first 60. I'm a get out.

But, you know, you know, I have 80. So my brain is working on overdrive. It's like, well, we could we could get out easy and then hit it hard or we can get a heart and then shut it down or we can run fast all the way. And the problem was I thought too much. And then I underestimated my competition is like, no seat. OK, now you had to you messed up. I'm like, all right, all right. I need to calm my brain down. I need like, nope, see, okay. Now you had to, you messed up. I'm like,

all right, all right. I need to calm my brain down. I needed to get it set on one goal. So we get to the semi finals. Now I'm like, all right, aggression mindset, power, everything like that. And it produced, you know, a really good time. 93, it, you know, it tied again, my second best of time, what, which was my PR before London. So I'm like, all right, you know, I'm good. I'm good. But, you know, I feel like I can go even faster. you know, I didn't want to get beat, you know So here I am come getting second in the semis Mike, you know what's going on? So my my therapist calls me and she's like you're running with a Gressin you're running with a Noah That is not you and I'm like, okay fair enough

That that's not me, you know, that's an older way of thinking. That's just not how I run. It's like you need to run free. Need to run with no pressure. Just go out there and run. And I'm like, all right, cool. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to go out there and I'm just run.

And she said if you control the crowd, you control the race. And I know I'm like, well, sure, that's that's how I do. I'm assuming that's that's what I do. You know, I do is being right. If that's all that takes, I'm winning the race.'s what I do. You know, I do is being right. If that's all that takes, I'm going to race. But we get you know, we're getting out there. I'm just like, just be me, just be me, just be me.

We get out there and, you know, they're doing the intros and, you know, because Shane comes out and Shane, he ends up yelling. And I'm like, oh, hold on. That's that's me. But I didn't hold him for it. I like this, though, because I love to see more personalities come up than just look at the camera, say hi, walk out. It's like, no, no, bring that energy.

Like, get me excited to run. So there's another YouTube video that NBC put out where it's like, you can see us in the back in the car, Fred on the side banging on the wall. It's like, let's go. Kashane's doing his yelling. I'm over here singing Dreams of Night on the wall is like, let's go. You know, Shane's doing his is yelling. I'm over here singing dreams and nightmares. I'm like, yeah, this, this is an Olympic final.

This is an Olympic final. So, you know, I go out, I'm jumping around, I'm running past the cameras. I'm yelling at the crowd and they over here like, yeah, excited. I'm like, yeah, this is my race now. And, you know, from that point on, it was just repeating, you know, you know, God got me, God got me, God got me. Cause at this point I've done everything that I need to do to win this race. Everything that I need to do has been done in months in advance.

You know, we're already here. Now it's just a believing in myself that it's going to get done. And it's not about running fast times. It's about running to win. The times will come when you run to win. No, I think you got a lot of pushback. You run the World Championship last year and unprompted, you said you see these hats

and they have world champions on it, which we've always called the basketball players. We've always called the NBA, the NFL, the Super Bowl champ. We've always called MLB. We've always called them world champs. What, and I think that's where a lot of the blowbacks, because it seemed like one of America's best athletes were taking another was taking a shot at some of the America's best athletes. And I think it kind of put you under the hour

because then, you know, basketball players say what they say, some football players chimed in also. And then for the first time, I actually saw some of these athletes like openly rooting against you. I mean, you might not. I mean, something you would probably never see in another country. You're not going to see the Dutch, somebody from Dunge rooting against Femke or rooting against our Carson or from Norway or Ingebrigtsen. We're not going to see that.

Do you think you brought some of this on yourself with that comment? What were you hoping to accomplish by making that comment? I think the last question that you asked, what was I trying to accomplish by making the comment is the most important one. Everybody sees the clip. Everybody sees the thumbnail. Everybody sees the 16 seconds.

But did anybody decide to ask, what was the question that was asked to me? The question that was asked to me is, how do you feel knowing that when you go back to your own country, unlike these other countries that celebrate their athletes on such a humongous stage, went to Boho one his gold medal, he went back to a stadium filled with 30,000 people celebrate. Yes.

When I showed up back home on my flight, of course, some people recognized me and I'm very thankful for that. But there was no 30,000 people. There was no limo driver ready to take me home. There was no bus waiting. If I had my mom, I had my pops and they were ready to take me home and I was ready to go to bed. Right. Right. That was none of that. That was none of that. The difference. I can understand the difference because we have a different way in America of seeing our sports. The problem that I had was you were given the title of a world champion, the people who weren't facing the world.

That's where I drew the line and said, that's hurtful because you already have those, but you're given the title of people who aren't doing that. Nothing wrong with being a national champion. They are great. They just didn't have the title. Is is Nicola Jokic one of the best players in the world? I'm going to be outside. I don't know who that is.

OK, Luca Luca Donchich. Oh, is he not one of OK, Janis, after the rumble? Yeah, OK. What's the question? Are they they're great. They're great players, great players. combo. Yeah, OK. What's the question? Are they good? They're great. They're great players, great players. But they're world players. They're not from America. And the problem that you're going to run into, Noah, is that Botswana

doesn't have a whole lot of athletes to celebrate as opposed to Americans. If you look at probably Kenya and Ethiopia and Sudan and some of these other countries, the Dutch, the Norwegian, we got NBA, we got MLB, we got football, we got baseball. And so yeah, teams, they have parades. Nobody is getting, for the most part, even Michael Phelps. I don't know if they, did they have, how many people showed up at M&T? I don't know if Michael Phelps, where they go. I don't know if he had 30,000 show up. I know they might've had a big contingent cheering him on. I just think that the difference is Noah is that in a sport,

in a, in a, in a country like Botswana, or you're talking about a country, he's their hero. He's he, he is he is to Botswana. He's LeBron James. That's what he is to both. I agree. He's LeBron James. Yeah, that's what he is to both. Yeah. I agree You saying both what he is to Jamaica he's he's he is there Michael Jordan I agree I agree Michael Jordan was Chicago. They showed up for the parade Yeah, but probably when he went back to Wilmington where he was from ain't no 30,000 show up for it. Yeah. No, I agree No, I agree. No, I agree, 100%.

But I'm not expecting the parade. I'm just showing the difference of how our sport is shown. Because the question that was asked again was how does it feel knowing that when I go back home, it's not when somebody like Taboho is getting when he goes home. And again, I know what it is. I know what it is.

I know we have, you know, football and basketball, baseball, golf. Those are all above my score. I know that I'm cool with that. I, of course I want to make that better, but I understand that. Again, the only problem I had was you have world champions, but you're giving the title to people who aren't facing the world. We're assuming.

Yeah. And you're giving them the title of world champion. That's the only thing. No, can you provide some context? There's this time magazine story that came out that revealed that while you were negotiating your contract with Adidas, they offered you an invite to a shoe release for Anthony Edwards. Adidas, they offered you an invite to a shoe release for Anthony Edwards.

And I think everybody's read the quote, quote, can you provide contact? Yeah. But what transpired? I mean, we look, we don't need to get into negotiations, but what transpired is what's being reported. How accurate is that? So what, what was going on at the time? I was in negotiations for over a year with Adidas to get to to get the country Them offering me, you know to go to ants for shoe release. We had nothing to do with the contract

They just thought it would be cool that I would show up as one of their Adidas athletes Unfortunately, yes, they agree for it very late They asked for it at probably about two weeks in advance and I was already very late. They asked for it probably about two weeks in advance. And I was already scheduled to walk in a Hugo ball show in Milan, which was a day and a half before his shoe release. So at first we were trying to figure out ways that we can get there. And it was like, yeah, this, this, this isn't good. This isn't gonna work. There's no way that I'd be able to walk and then get on the flight and have

energy enough to be able to go to this thing Because it wasn't just a shoe release They were also gonna you know have us go to a little baby concert and we were gonna be just signing all over It was gonna be a lot. It was gonna be a lot and I was already drained from you know flying over Already doing the fashion shows doing the walks, you know going to other events You know, I was already drowned like just there's no way that I'd be able to physically do this. Well, I know.

I agree with you flying overseas. And then if someone that's flown overseas and then come back, you're kind of jet lag. But you probably should have left it as that is that the other stuff where you get into trouble, where people is picking apart what you say it is because like, hold on, I'm the world champ and he's getting this and you have the word with all the forward thinking to see that he's going to be special. And why can't you guys see that with me? Now I will say being very vulnerable on this moment, I would

felt very unheard at that moment with Adidas. Okay. I felt very unheard. And we, and, and, and to give an example, people do a lot of things. They, what do you, what do you do when you feel unheard? You to give an example, people do a lot of things. What do you do when you feel unheard? You try to shout louder. Yes.

And I felt that I have had many conversations trying to shout and it hadn't gotten through. Right. And unfortunately, that was one of my moments where I felt I had to shout to even get them to look my way. Okay. In that Time article. Because they asked me if I wanted to look my way. OK, in that time article,

because they asked me if I wanted to take it out. And I decided I was not going to because I had to stand on my decision at that moment. I felt that I had to shout to get. Even a conversation about what I wanted to happen or what was going on at that point. I mean, that's to be to move forward. Could it be handled better? Probably was there more ways to do it?

Probably. But in that moment, I felt that I had taken so many steps in other ways that I had to shout at this moment. Do you regret your decision not to have that? Remove from the article? I don't believe so at the moment. This this conversation could be had in a year and I could have a different answer at this moment, I do not feel so they still feel if I did not shout

at that moment, I would not have had the preamble to, oh, he is serious. And when I said it at the Olympics, they knew it was still on my heart. In track and field, there have only been two men that's ever had a shoe, Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt. Two. Yeah. Michael Johnson had the world record in the hundred and two hundred and he don't know anything but gold medals.

I think he's a four time world champion, the four hundred two time world champ in the 200. He's a two time champ in the four hundred. He's a one time champ in the 200. And you say I just say you same boat. I don't need to say anything else. What makes why do you believe believe that you deserve to be in that category with those guys looking at their accomplishments, not to say you're not done yet,

but looking at their accomplishments, looking at yours, why did Noah Liles believe he deserves a shoot? The reason I believe it is twofold. One, we look at Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson, he is a, he's a track guy through and through. That's all he is. Track and he loves track. And that's what he decided his lane was going to be.

I don't feel that in his time period, we had the the social media, we had the marketing, the self marketing to be able to push it forward. Of course, he had Nike and Nike was doing very well, but they wanted to keep it. I don't think that they really wanted to keep pushing it. And I don't know if Michael Johnson wanted to do the work or not to market it as well. And no, I don't know how much they had in their contract to keep that shoe alive. That's where I'm going to leave it with that.

The time period wasn't right with Usain Bolt. The CEO that actually gave Bolt his shoe is now what Adidas. And I've had conversations and I think Usain was very excited in the moment. And then he got excited about something else when it was time to do, you know, the underground work, the marketing, the commercials and stuff like that. And that scared a lot of companies, I think, in that moment. Also, Usain is Jamaican. The marketing in the US is different. I feel one in the US is it turns out when it comes to marketing, entertainment and marketing is the US is bread and butter.

We know how to do that. Like we that's just our thing. So now that I'm an American in a time period where self marketing is very popular, and it's very, you know, it's strong, You know, everybody wants to do it. Everybody's looking at it. They want the brand. They want the identity. You know, a person's identity is more marketable sometimes than a brand at times. And now we see them as brands. I know that I can do the work. I know that I can get the medals. But at the end of the day, I think that it comes down to, guys, you now have the title of the world's fastest man.

What do you do with that title? You tell them, don't you wanna have the shoes of the world's fastest man? Don't you wanna put those shoes on your feet? I'm wearing the same shoes as the world's fastest man. It's gonna make me so fast. It's the same thing with the shoes that, but the shoes of the world's fastest man. It's going to make me so fast. It's the same thing. But the shoes that the world's fastest man wears, track spikes. No, he only wears track spikes on the track. He trains in tennis shoes.

And when he's playing them out, he's in tennis shoes. And when people go out and run marathons, they wear tennis shoes. And when you're in the gym, you wear tennis shoes. Guess what? You're wearing tennis shoes. Everybody wears tennis shoes. And the only reason that you don't see more marketing for tennis shoes and individual runners is because they just haven't done it. Tyree say you want some of you know, I can't believe you know who Tyree kills. Don't do that Noah. You know who re kills the cheetah. I'm gonna be honest, I forget his name all the time. I'm gonna be honest, if it's not about track

and it ain't about League of Legends, my, yeah, I got, I got. He's the, he's the man come get from. Hey, I'm gonna put it like this. Tyreke is just chasing clout. The man, anytime somebody fast comes up, he says he wants to race him. If he really wanted to race people,

he would have showed up like DK Metcalf. and the man raced in the 60 meters this year in the masters division the man dodged the smoke i don't got time for that reek hey reek he calling you out hey you know what let's get a couple of hey let's see if we can get some sponsors would you be willing to race reek in a 60 or 100 if we got some sponsors to put some money up? He's challenging me. We're racing in $100. We can raise. If he's serious about it, if he's truly serious about it, I'm not talking about you just talking on the internet, and you ain't actually coming to me and talking to my agent and saying, let's set something up. You are seriously about it. I like that.

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He swam, swam at the university of Florida under the great Anthony Nesty And he saved the man because had he not won a gold medal, there would have been the first time since 1900. No individual man had won a swimming gold medal. Welcome to the show, Bobby. Bobby, how you doing? I'm doing good. Thank you for having me. And over 100 years, had you not did what you did,

the men would have been shut out of the individual goals. Did that add pressure to you? Oh, yeah. I mean, I I'm someone who personally likes reading all the comments and everything. So I'm like, I read the stories like major news site. I was I was going to be like every article reading every time and everything. And like there's a bunch of comments saying like, Bobby, Bobby better be listening to like lose yourself on repeat right now or something because he's he's a last chance.

I knew about the record going on before. I knew how hard it was going to be. And, you know, I'm just fortunate enough. I was able to get it done because I did not want my name attached to that. So for that to be go down. So yeah, to get it done because I did not want my name attached to that for that to be go down. So yeah, we got it done now. Are there any middle strategies that you go through to prepare for a high competition race, especially like for one represent an entire country? You're over in Paris, it's the Olympics. None of us have medaled in all the pressure in the eyes of riding on you.

Are there any middle strategies that you do? Any superstitions? Yeah. I don't know if I really got, I call them like superstitions for me, but everything is really just how I prepare for the race, especially over at the Olympic Village. I don't know if you guys are afraid, but like the food was very controversial a bit.

Food wasn't the best, but I had so much pasta. Just in the days leading up, I was carb loading like crazy. And I hate pasta. Right. Like I. Oh, my God. But like in the day leading up to that 1500, a lot of it was motivation on how angry I was after the 800 when I lost. Because silver medal is great and everything. I understand that.

But like for me, deep down, I was pissed after that race because I didn't win. And I needed that that kind of fire in me to be motivated for the 1500 because I want to stay on top of that podium. I want to hear the national anthem. I haven't heard it much all meet and I need to hear it and I need to do it for our team. And behind the blocks, I was just telling myself to stay calm. But the... Not like the power is in you, but like, you know what to do and you know how to swim, you've done it a hundred times. It's really a whole mental game you're having with your brain

is just telling yourself that, you know, you've done it. You can do it again. It's nothing new to you when you look at the situation and when you broke the world record, you really, and you didn't get normally when people break world records, they're getting pushed. You finished four seconds ahead, but I mean, what the hell? I mean, it's like, uh, you have a motorboat and they had paddles and so I'm watching you and I'm seeing your stroke and it's so smooth when you're swimming in a race of that distance, obviously, you know,

you got the 50 meters and you got a hundred meters, you got the different strokes, but when you have 1500 meters, there's a lot of time for you to be in your own head. What are you thinking about when you, when you swim at 1500 meters? Yeah. So I normally race my competition and I'll start behind them for the most part. Or I'll stay right next to them. So I liked the hundred, the 200 when I, when I had like a body like lead, I was kind of like, what's going on right now?

Cause there was just so abnormal for me. Uh, but I could kind of see the scoreboard a little bit when I was racing and on the scoreboard, they were showing the world record line. Um, so I was kind of mentally racing that whole time and I was mentally racing. Yeah. So I saw the world record line like three times during the race and that kept me going in a race so hard. Um, but also like, I'm very aware of like what is going around me. Um, so I knew Greg Pucciniere, the Italian, who was in lane five, two lanes over.

I knew he started to inch up on me a lot. And same thing with Daniel Wiffen, the Ireland representative who won the 800 previously. I knew he started to catch Greg a bit. I was kind of peeking over there. But I knew as long as I stood or stay ahead of Greg, that I would be able to stay ahead of Dan. So I was kind of keeping it that mental. It's just like, just stay ahead of them. I don't have to be too far away from them or like, drop back to be at their pace. I just needed to stay right ahead of them.

And that was really a big mental game for me was just trying to, you know, be aware where they are, even though they're behind me, make sure I have a safe distance from them. So that's really what I was focused on. Bobby, I just wanted to on behalf of Shayshae Media and Nightcap, we're very proud of you here. I know my subscribers are proud of you. I know the US is proud of you. And to show you how proud is proud of you and to show you how proud we are of you. I don't know if you can see that. Can you see that in your screen?

All right. Hold on. Kinda. Yeah. Can we wait? I said, oh, no. We'll go. We'll make sure you can see it. Or. I can take my take my glass off. OK, he goes to me. My camera guy goes to me. We're going to zoom in.

We're going to make sure you see this. Can you see that? Bobby got. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. So we got we got information. So by the time.. Oh my God. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Bobby, in order to get that in its entirety, when you come back to Florida, we have to race 800, 1500, whatever you want to do. I'll do whatever you guys want. I'll do anything. Hey, if you can beat me. It's all yours. Oh, my God. No, I.

Hey, congratulations, though, man. You get us up and get us up and go. I'm proud of you, bro. Massive McDonald's. Congratulations. What you've been able to accomplish thus far. Stay healthy. Good luck down the road. I mean, the world's the next year.

And then in two years after that, you got the Olympics in L.A. So we look forward to following your career. Continue success, bro. And congratulations again on all your accomplishments. No. Oh, you got. Oh, yeah. You guys. Oh, wow. I don't know what to say. Yeah, you guys. Oh, wow. You guys are amazing.

Yeah, Jesus. Holy shit. Hey, Bobby, you know, I think you guys so much. Bobby, you write it. You write in Clearwater, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I live in Miami. How far are you from me? I about four and a half hours. Oh, so you more you more like Orlando down that way. Tampa.

Yeah, yeah, I'm near. It's just because I'm sorry, I'm just my brain. I think it's just because of the way you have to get to Miami. Right, right, right. Because you got to like not straight through the Everglades, way you have to get to Miami. Right. Right. Because you got to like not straight through the other everglades, but you have to go like Naples first and Naples. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll catch up.

We'll catch up. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. Oh, yeah. I mean, you guys are already legendary in your sport, but you guys are legendary for this. I can't thank you enough. You guys are a success. Then enjoy. You know, and I guys are legendary for this. I can't think of enough. You guys are. Successed and enjoy, you know, and I appreciate you stopping by this morning.

We appreciate you stopping by nightcap this morning and look forward to talking to you down the road, bro. No, thank you. I appreciate everything you guys have done for, for your sports. And then obviously for, for the Olympic games this time, especially for the athletes. Yeah, that is a dream. This is a dream and you guys are well a part of it and thank you. Thank you so much. We have a very special guest joining us. The reigning 200 meter Olympic champ. She's a member of the winning world championship four by one. She ran a blistering third leg. They

qualified this morning with the fastest time even though they had a little hiccup between TT and herself with the exchange. They're going to correct that going to win another gold medal. We're going to talk about her possibly running on the floor running a leg on the floor by four. Welcome us, ladies and gentlemen, Gabby Thomas. Gabby, yay! I forgot to mention she also has a undergrad degree in neurobiology and she has a master's degree

in epidemiology, is that correct? And she's currently employed in Austin where she serves underprivileged women, is that correct? And she's currently employed at the Austin where she serves underprivileged women. Is that correct also? Yeah, I volunteer at a healthcare clinic where I provide healthcare services to people who don't have health insurance. Let me ask you this.

How much pressure, because you got the bronze at the last Olympics, you got the silver, if I'm not mistaken, at the past Worlds. You're the face of this big ad with Toyota. You're the face of this. Now, Shereeca Jackson, she steps out. That's even because there was pressure on you to do better than what you did at the last Olympics.

Now Shereeca has withdrawn. Now there's a ton of pressure. We had Justin Galland who the world, a world champion and an Olympic champ. We had Michael Johnson, a world champion, an Olympic champ. We had Michael Johnson, the world champion, Olympic champ. He said, sometimes the things that can weight an individual and athlete down is expectations. How much or what type of burden were the expectations? You are the face of this Toyota ad.

OK, Gabby, you out there. OK, we see you. You better bring home going. I know I everyone kept texting me talking about, oh, I see you on Toyota everywhere. Like before trials, even before I even made the Olympic. Yes. They were showing my face on the Toyota ads everywhere. So I hadn't even become like the Olympian yet. So there was definitely a lot of pressure.

And for me in 2021, like coming from Harvard and not having any medals or having made any USA team, it was just a lot of fun for me. Like I was going out there and running and no one had any expectations. So I was having a great time. I was like, all right, let's go. Let's go line up next to Alison Felix. Let's go see what happens. It'll be great. And then as soon as I made the Olympic team, it changed. And then as soon as I got a bronze medal, it changed. Now suddenly people are talking about, okay, if you don't metal now,

you know, that's an L, right? If you don't make this team next year, you know, that's a big L. And so it immediately changed my mindset. And then even going into this year, yeah, I'm going in as a favorite. And there, I mean, I was telling people before I even stepped up to the line for my prelim, I have never felt this type of pressure before in my entire life. I mean, you walk you walk out there and you're just you're by yourself. Like you don't have a team to take that loss with you.

If you someone messes up, there's no there's no redo. There's no next play. There's none of that. It's like, all right, you're going to go out there by yourself in front of 80,000 people. And then, you know, the millions of people watching at home.

And if you don't get it right in this one moment, especially in the short sprints, it's over. So it's definitely a lot of pressure. But for me, I practice like I meditate. I practice like focus. So you can dissociate in that moment. You know, that separates the good athletes from the great athletes. If you're over there on the line thinking about how many people are watching you, you're going to mess up.

And you can see it in people's faces when they line up to the line. You can see, you can tell when you're watching an athlete, you look in their eyes and you can see like, okay, this person has figured it out. They're about to knock this race out and someone who's scared. They're like, all right, this is going to be, they're going to have to fight for this. Are there any more world records that the Americans can get? Will you guys challenge that? What is that 40.82 that the women ran in

Beijing? Is that possible? Can we see said and film cabal lower that 50.65 in the 400 meter hurdles for the women? Will we see Carson Warhol, Rob Benjamin? You have Alison dos Santos. We have a samba cutter. Will we see anybody go up on the world record in any of the remaining sprints? American? I think so. I think I think it definitely I think y'all are going to have to open up your wallets a little bit because I hate to say it but I do think I mean I think the four by one girls we can definitely challenge a world record the previous world record team they spoke to us just last week about it and I think we are very capable and the hurdles yeah it's a wrap it's a wrap tonight I don't know if it's gonna be something or Sydney but

I think it'll definitely go down somebody gonna have to run low if Femke beats said she's gonna have to go low 50, maybe even sub 50. Sydney is in great. I'm talking about a great form. She's in great shape. She's a flawless. I mean, she can run. She can run the one thing she can run the hurt of the lower for the women

and be good. Her technique. I think she wants she has tremendous strength coming into it. That 22 07, that's still like what the eighth the ninth best time run at 200 meters She's run 48 75 at 400 meters. She's probably if you run a work at it get a start, right? She might be sub 11 at 100 meters in order for fit and I know film kids unbelievable She ran a blistering sub 48 split on the anchor leg. We've seen her win the world indoor at 49 17. But see, it is a different. If she this is an upset, I don't care what anybody tells you.

Yeah, film, the ball beats in the McLaughlin, LaVroni in the 400 meters hurdles. This is a huge upset. I have. I have. It had been kept. No, sir. One thing, see, it going to do, like you said, it's all about moments. And whenever that moment arises, she shows up to the cage. Yeah.

Always shows up. Bobby, the one thing if you go back and study Bobby Kershaw's history, his runners at big meets, they perform. If they, if they, if they line up, they run, they they run well. And so that's not the short chain film, film because she's been unbelievable. I actually kind of want to see that come down in the 400 meters before by four. I won't see it in film because I get the baton at the same time.

Let's see what happens. Let's see what it really about. Oh, Joe, I told you we're gonna try to make this thing the real Olympics, we're gonna have people that actually participated in the Paracet told you, we're gonna try to make this thing the real Olympics, we're gonna have people that actually participated in the Paris Olympics, and we're gonna get, we're going to have former greats. The guy that's gonna talk with us for about 45 minutes today is a former two-time world champion to 200 meters. He's a former four-time champion to 400 meters.

He was a former world record holder at 200 meters, at 300 meters, at 300 meters, at 400 meters. He's still the current American record holder at 300 meters and 400 meters, and he ran the anchor leg on the world breaking world championship 400 meter relay team of 2 minutes 54. There you go. 29, Mike. There you go.

He's a two time Olympic gold medal in 400 meters. He's a one time Olympic champ at 200 meters. He's the only man to successfully defend his 400 meter crown in back to back Olympics in 96 and 2000. And he's the only man currently to win the 400 and the 200 in the same Olympics. One of the greatest sprinters in the history of sprinting, arguably the greatest sprinter in American history,

Michael Johnson. Mike, what's up, bro? Good to see you both, man. Good to see you. I haven't talked to both of you guys in a while. Mike, when you hear the accolades, four time world champion, 400 meters, two time world champion, 200 meters,

a two time Olympic champion, four, Olympic champion, two, back to back. Nobody in the history, the game's been going on since 1896. And we see some young guys come in and they win the 400 early in their career at 18, I mean, 19, 20 years of age and can't replicate that. You did it later in your career. Why has it been so hard for men and women to repeat? I mean, it's more common than women repeating, but why has it been so hard for men to repeat the 400m?

It's a difficult event, man. It's difficult for people to get consistent in that event. Like, you will see somebody come out, run 43 seconds, become a 43 second 400 meter runner, but then you'll see them in some races running 44 high, 44 mid, not consistently under 43 seconds. The 400 meters is one of those races where you need to be consistent in order to deliver that type of performance when it counts at the Olympic Games. And what happens is, is you have somebody run the Olympics, they get it right then, and then if you see them in those races outside of the championships being very inconsistent, running 44 highs

and that sort of thing, then there's a likely chance that when they get back to that next championship, they're gonna run worse, not better. It's just the way that it goes. You have to try to get consistent with that event. It's a really difficult event to run because it's such a long sprint. There's a lot of room for error. There's a lot of ways to make mistakes in that race. It's hard to get it right, easy to get it wrong. How different is running a 400 as a two? Because we understand two is half the distance of four,

but what's the difference because you were able, you kind of started like at a 200, you won the first world championship at 200 meters, in 91 if I'm not mistaken, and then built up, and then you got the courage to say, I can do both. I can, in the Olympics, boy, do you know what kind of brass kahunas you gotta have to say, I can beat the world's best at four and two in the same.

It's probably never gonna be done again on the man's side, Mike. Yeah, so a couple of people have tried since I did it. Nobody even tried before I did it. You couldn't even, the schedule wouldn't even allow for it, so I had to get them to change the schedule. But yeah, I started as a 200 meter runner, but when I was at Baylor, I was on the four by four

and I was always splitting 43. So I knew I could run 400, but like in college, you can't really go back and forth between the two and the four by four and I was always splitting 43. So I knew I could run 400, but like in college, you always, you can't really go back and forth between the two and the four very much because you're always preparing for, gotta qualify for nationals. You gotta get ready for conference, you know, indoor and then the same thing outdoor.

And both of those seasons are pretty short. But I knew I could run the 400. Then when I started my professional career, I was primarily 200, but I was running 400s at meets on the Grand Prix circuit. And I was running low 42s, ranked number one in the world. But the first couple of championships, like that 91 championship, like you talked about, Shannon.

So I chose the 200, made the team in the 200, won the world championship in the 200. But I'm sitting there in the stands and I'm seeing Antonio Pettigrew win the 400 meters. I'm like, I'd been beating him all season. I should be the world champion in the 400, but I can't run the 400 now somebody else is world champion. So I was telling my coach Stan, like, you know, I want to run both.

And he was saying, coach was like, yeah, we can do both. We just got to get them to, you know, work out the schedule for us. So over time that became, you know, my thing. I'm going to go to the championships. I'm going to run the both the two and the four. Nobody had done that before. The races are very different. The 200 meters is a all out sprint for most people. There's, you know, some of the guys that's a hundred meter runners, that's

not really don't have that type of speed endurance to be able to hold it. They can't run the whole thing. But if you come from, you know, like me, like having a 400 background as well, I can run the whole thing. So the difference, you know, is me, like having a 400 background as well, I can run the whole thing. So the difference, you know, is there's less room for margin, margin for error in the 200. You may be able to make one adjustment in that race because it's so short, 19 seconds.

Whereas in the 400, you can make all kinds of adjustments. The problem is there's more room for error in the 400. You're going to make you can make a lot of mistakes and you probably will, whereas the 200 is much more technical. In 93, I think that was the time that you guys broke the world record at the World Championship in the four by four. Andrew Vollman led it off.

I think he ran split 44-5. He passed to Quincy Watts. I think Quincy ran sub 43-5. He passed it to Butch Reynolds. And then with you with nothing to prove, Mike, you got it, you guys have got this. You already got a 30 minute, you guys already got a 30 meter lead.

They hand you the baton, you go. What's going through your mind? Because that was the first time in the history that somebody has sub 43 split in the 400 meters, you stepped on the gas, I think you ran 42.9. What's going through your mind as you're going around the track and you got nothing, you got a 30 minute lead,

Mike, what possessed you to do what you did? This is a story, this is crazy. So we broke the world record the year before, 1992, right? We just broke it by a little bit. 1992 Olympics, I ran the 200. I didn't run the 400 at the trials. I make the team in the 200. There's a debate about whether or not

I should be on the four by 400 meter reach. Uh-oh. Whoa! Uh-oh. I tell you, go back the year before that, 1991, my first world championship in the 200, US lost the four by 400 meter relay to Great Britain because they put me on that relay.

Yes, the hurdler, the hurdler ran down to Pettigrew. Ran down to Pettigrew, that you exactly right. Chris Akebusi ran down Pettigrew. The team coach that year didn't like me, so he said, Hey, we don't need Michael Johnson on our 400 meter relay. He didn't run the 400 meters after trials. We don't need to put him on. We can win it without him. I'm ranked number one in the world, undefeated for two years, right? He does not put me on the four by four. They lose. The next year in 1992. I'm on the four by four. I got food poisoning right before the Olympics. You remember this Shannon we talked about this. So I do back then what happened so I got food poisoning didn't make the final in the 200. update like we still need you on the four by four.

Like man, I'm not I'm not even I'm a shell of myself. I can't even run that fast right now. They're like, 75% Michael Johnson is better than anybody else, so let's go, you need to join this relay. I'm like, okay. So my split in 92, when we broke the world record, I was the weak leg on that relay. I was still, remember?

I was like, lost weight, I'm still feeling, I think I split like 44, 90, maybe even 45 flat. It was horrible. But we still broke the world record. So that's forward to what you talking about. 93, I had just won the 400 beat all of those guys. Now we coming together in the four, four by four. Yeah.

At that point, it's like, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to make up for last year. And then also if we broke the world record last year with me at 45 flat, if I can put it down like what I'm normally used to doing, we're going to put this world record to a point where ain't nobody going to break it for 30 years. And that's where we are today. Nobody has still broke that record because those guys ran faster

and I ran 42.9 on the anchor. What are your thoughts on the current state of track and field right now? And how do you see it evolve and based on where we are now? Because you did just say it comes in waves, it goes and wave. Do you think we are right on the on the on the right track to kind of dominate in the sport again and maybe the one, the two and obviously the four? Yeah, it's a good question, Ocho. So look, the Jamaican has been taking it to us for the last.

You know, I mean, you got to give them credit. I mean, this is a nation of less than three million people. And they go toe to toe. And sometimes, like I said, for the last 15 years, they've been handing it to a nation of 300 million people. That's crazy. Where else does that? It's amazing. That's why the Jamaican brand from a sprint standpoint

is so significant. They own around the world as the sprint capital. They got great coaches. They got a lot of talent. And it used to be back when I was in college, all of the Jamaican athletes would come to the US for better training and facilities. Right.

Yep. Around 2006, seven, they stopped. They started, they, they got some great coaches down there and they started saying, Hey, just stay at home. We'll train you here. And that's when you saw that explosion. So, you know, and it's just been, it's been, it's been amazing, but you know, for us as the U S we saw what happened here in

Paris, you know, Noah, Fred, you know, those guys, I mean, it's not in him and look, the Jamaicans have found some new talent, Shane Thompson, Savico, Oblique, Oblique Saville. Those guys, they, they got some talent, you know, they had a little bit of a void after both left, but now they got some more talent, but U S got some too on the men's side, on the women's side, the Jamaicans have been, it's been ridiculous. I've never seen a situation where they had two of the greatest sprinters of all

time and then found another one on top of that with Sheree can convert it up from a 400 meter to a 100, 200 meter sprint. And then now you got another one. It was just, it's been crazy. That doesn't happen all of the time. So now what we're seeing is, okay, those, you know, Elaine is pretty much done. Her body's just not going to be able to, her former coach even said that her body's just not going to be able to do that anymore. So she's probably on her way out and probably going to retire here soon. Shellyann is done. She's the greatest

of all time. She's done enough. She's retiring after this year. And so this is the first time like in this women's 200 last night. The other day, I mean, what Gabby won, there was no Jamaican woman in that final. And a Jamaican woman has, I saw this stat the other day, a Jamaican woman has medaled in the 200 every year, every Olympic year since 1976. So it goes in stages and goes in waves. I think the US is at a position where, I mean, we're always at the top of the medal table,

but the events you talked about, Ocho De Sprint, a bit of an important point for us the last few years, but I think it's, yeah, it's coming back. It's coming back. We got the world record silver medal winning four by four mixed relay vernon no wood brice deadman kaelin brown and samir little vernon i'm gonna start with you you the elder statesman here going into that did you guys think you could set the world record and qualify and what was your strategy going in? Obviously you want to qualify,

but did you think world record was a possibility? We already talked about it like before. Once we saw the lineup and the talent that we had, we was like, oh yeah, we were record gone. Cause we knew world record was go win the race anyway. So we like, we just go out there and do our thing. I mean, from me starting it off, getting there to Shamir to Bryce to KK, I mean, I already knew where record was gone. So and then we heard y'all comment about you know, y'all coming out with this Guys did y'all know Bryce that when he got back to his room he DM me about I said, tell him, bring me in front of him. I heard y'all was talking about it one time on the show. I was like, man, hold up, man. Let me see them boys come through the world.

I'm like, them boys from around the waist. I know they gonna come through. And then y'all actually came down, I was like, damn, y'all some real ones, man. But I appreciate how those asses talk. And then there's a mutual friend. He hit up a mutual friend and said, man, I'm trying to get an uncle.

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Ladies and gentlemen, your 400 meter hurdle champ with a time of 46 46 Rob Benjamin. Sir, obviously you have an outstanding season. You have been performing really really well. Give us your mindset going into the Olympics. You had raised him. I think you raised him once before at a diamond League meet pre-Olympia. And so you had to feel good because you beat him and you had beaten him three times since he last beat you, I think, at the at the Olympics. Yeah, in Budapest.

They won Budapest last year and then we went to pre-Fontaine. I won that meet. Then we went to Monaco before the Olympics. That was a big one. We were all there. I won that one. So going into the Olympics, I was I felt really confident. I was calm.

I really trusted myself. I think mentally I was in a way different place than I was. Yeah, I could tell. We had previous years and previous seasons. So, I mean, I just I went in. I had the confidence, you know,

like I felt good energy in the stadium was ridiculous. It was actually like I've been to a lot of football games. I've been to Death Valley, LSU. And I have never heard a stadium get that loud in my entire life. It was crazy. Wow. So it was it was it was phenomenal experience.

So just, you know, I went in with a completely different mindset and I was like, yeah, like I'm the guy to beat and the only person that's going to beat me is me. So, yeah, I have a question. Speaking of that race at the Olympics, did you understand his strengths and weaknesses? And did you have any type of strategic game plan going into that race and knowing what to do and when, when to kind of hit it, when to back off? I think so over the past three, four years, we've raced so much. So I have seen every single race plan, every race strategy. And I think for me, right, work, the three of us are so good that very little separates

us and it's it's about who can be on on that day who's going to get it on that day. And I think, you know, throughout the entire cycle of the semis, I mean the heat semis finals. You know, I got dealt the right hand and those guys ran out, ran fast, like the first two rounds. So I knew being out in lane eight, I was going to be the one to kind of dictate what the race would look like. So in my head, I was like, all right, like I need to I need I need to really push the pace, but do too much. So I have enough to come home that last 120, 150 meters. Yes.

When we got out, like he gets out really, really hard. So he covered me a little bit. And my whole thing was, all right, just run in lane eight. Like focus on your 10 hurdles in your lane and get off that turn, like put your foot in the ground and just go. And then Coach Watts, Coach Watts, he has a, we have this, we joke around sometimes and he's like,

yeah, if it's leaving, I'm leaving. So, you know, we got off, we got off hurdle seven and I was like, all right, man, I'm out of here, man. So whatever happens, happens. And I don't know if you guys saw, but like I was coming out of seven and I stumbled a little bit. I was running so fast that like the centrifugal force

pulled me out to the outside of the lane. And I kind of like stumbled a little bit. And I think that kind of costed me like maybe 46 flat. But at the same time, like I just had so much momentum. I just kept going. So that was just that was my that was my game plan. To be honest with you, just run my pattern, do what I've been doing the entire season. I mean, we talk, you know, Uncle send me a message sometimes after the race, even if it went good or bad.

So, I mean, yeah, it was it was it was phenomenal, man. And I'm I'm on cloud nine right now. Right. We had Michael Johnson on. And I remember in Stugart when they broke the world record in the 400 meters, they ran 254.29. And I can go back in my head, I know Andrew Balman led off with 44.5, and he went to Quincy, your coach,

and I think he ran 43.3, 43.5. He had it to the world record holder at the time, Butch Reynolds, and he ran low 43. The race was blowing over. Michael Johnson got the baton, and he said, because we had almost broke the world record, well, we broke it, but I ran like mid 44, almost 45, because I was asking him, I said, Mike,

you do realize you ran sub 43 with a 30-minute lead, with a 30-meter lead, and I said, why? He said, sub 43 with a 30 minute lead with a 30 of meter lead And I said why he said because I didn't want to hear their mouths He said they had talked about me so bad. So he ran 42 9 Did you think you guys had a chance going into that race? Did you think this was gonna be the second fastest 400 by 4 in the history? I thought we could have broken it last year. So after Budapest, like if you go to my Instagram,

you look at my last relay post from Budapest, I was like, let's go after the world record next year. Cause we had all the pieces. Quincy's running well, V's running well. I mean, I could get on a relay and give you a really hot split. Michael Norman, he was coming back to run well. Chris Bailey, Bryce Dedman.

And then we had Lil Quincy just like, you know, just shoot up out of, I mean, I'm not gonna say out of nowhere, but like no one was expecting him to run 44 low. And it's just phenomenal. So we had all the pieces. The issue is, it's figuring out who to put on what leg to maximize those legs. And okay, I think because Quincy had that little tweak in his hamstring in his final, like we had to reshuffle the order, but I knew we still had the pieces because V had split 43.

Because the twice in the mix, in the mix, and I knew what three times because he ran the mix relay twice and he opened in the qualifier. Yeah. So we had the 43 in him. I knew I knew Bryce had 43 in him as well, too, because he was consistently running 40, 44 or lows. So I knew if if if Bryce lights come on, he's going to bring that stick around because he's from Texas and him. So he's going to run. Right. And and it just all came down to what my leg would be. I actually wanted to run second this meet because I knew if I ran second,

I would run forty two eight or forty two nine on that. Wow. Because I just know second leg is the best. It's the best leg because you can on that tangent when you cut in, you can kind of cheat some meters if you do it right. That's why all them second legs, but it's really fast. I mean, you still got to be fast to be on that second leg. But like, if you do it right and you run a good tangent, like I'm telling you, you can cheat it a little bit and you can get that split.

So initially, so when that happened, you know, you know, coach Mike Marsh came and was just like, Hey man, like I need a dog on ankle leg because. Yeah. You, you had to be on a. So I don't know, right. I don't mean to cut you off, but right. I don't know if anybody could have hold to bill, could have held to bagel off other than you, because you, like you said,

you have a strategy. He didn't put you under the gun because of your pace. I think somebody else would have panicked. And if you panic in that situation, he gonna chase you down like the great Britain did Antonio Pettigrew. We saw Low, a good friend of mine, Angelo Taylor. Same thing in Olympics.

If you panic on that anchor leg, cause everybody got their boy dog on that anchor. So everybody can go sub 43, could go sub 44 on an anchor leg. Every single guy's first leg was 43. Them boys came to run. I really can't, they were not playing around, man. They were not playing around.

Oh Joe, you didn't know this, but Ry was a quarterback. Ry, what made you a quarterback? I Nah, I played wide out, man. I was a wide receiver. Yeah, my dad said the wrong thing. I played wide receiver and free safety in high school. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a...

Okay, so why'd you give up football and went to the track? Because I'm from New York and people out in New York don't get good scholarships to go to big D1 schools. Like, yeah, so I was like, I ran track and it was like, you know, like I wasn't really getting we weren't getting good recruits or recruiters coming out to my high school because we were a small high school in Westchester County in New York. So, you know, we had one or two guys like, you know, go to big universities. But it wasn't like we were going to like LSU or USC or Clemson,

you know what I mean? So it was just one of those things where, that was my avenue out, you know? And I was really good at track my freshman year, so I just stuck with it. You originally went to UCLA, did transfer to UCLA. I thought about walking on to be honest with you, but you were like, yeah, you gotta give up

your track scholarship because of Title IX. There's no way in hell. Ooh. Yeah, but yeah, like part of me wish I played in college, to be honest with you. Yeah. I'm not gonna pull a Tyreke and say like, you know, I'm fast in the know,

or I could go catch a ball. Yeah, how you know I'm gonna ask you that? How you know, I'm fast in the north or I could go catch a ball. Yeah. How do you know I'm going to ask you that? How do you know I'm going to ask you that? Listen, listen. Do you believe that? Hey, I'm just saying on this show,

I'm tired of the Norlau slander, man. That's my guy. OK, well, talk to him. Talk to us about it. I'm not saying like I can go out and do what you guys do and catch a ball across the middle. I know how hard it is.

I know how hard it is to read plays and memorize stuff and go out there and put your body at risk every day. But Tyreek, you're not beating no in a hundred, man. There's just no way in hell. You probably won't even beat the top collegiate guys, man. Like they'll... Now, when it comes to men's skateboarding, there's no one more accomplished than this gentleman

that we're about to sit down and have a conversation with now. He's from Davis, California. His name, you talk about world championships, you're talking about X game. When it comes to men's skateboarding, he is the defacto guy. He has his own Nike skateboarding shoe. And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Nigel Houston.

How you doing, Nigel? Doing good, boys, doing good Houston. How you doing, Nigel? You're on good boys. I'm good. Your first two rounds flawless. You land some huge tricks. You're in the moment. And at that moment, tell us what's going through your mind. You got one more run to make your your right now you're in gold medal position. You just got one one more round one round to go. What's going through your mind at that moment? And then the pressures, did you start the tense up?

Did you start to feel the pressure? I mean, I like to say that I'm sure you guys feel this too. It's like anytime someone is very competitive and you care, you're gonna get, you're gonna, you're gonna feel the pressure, you know? That's just a part of caring about what we're doing, having that passion for what we do. So yeah, I mean, I definitely felt the nerves out there, but I feel like I was handling it pretty well. Qualifier has been smoothly. First run in the

finals, I landed my last fixed sketchy, which really bummed me out because I got an 87. If I would have landed a clean, I would have got a 90. So the second run, I definitely had the pressure on me was able to pull through. And then when it comes down to the trick section, it's I mean, it's I like to say that you go out there with with confidence, but you can't ever go out there expecting to land these tricks every single try. Because the stuff we're doing is just too technical and too difficult. And like so many things need to go right every time to land them every try. Um, but it was, it was going really good for me. I was in a good spot and I landed my first trick.

I landed my second trick, which got a little bit of a low score because I also landed that a little bit sketchy. You could see that my like back foot was hanging off the board a little bit. Okay. But I still got a 93 for that one. So that was solid. And then that last trick, man, I was going for it's called a switch heel cricket grind down the hubba hubba as a down, down ledge. And it's a trick that I've been looking forward to trying ever since I saw the design of the course a few weeks. Okay. Check. I've been practicing a lot lately throughout the past couple of years and I felt I felt really confident going into it. The first one didn't go so well.

Second one got a little closer. And then when it got down to the third one, that's when I got bumped down from being in first to second and to third. And honestly, I I think back on it. And when I was dropping in, I got my headphones in, I like listening to house music. So good vibes, got the hype going. I felt good, man.

I felt really confident dropping into it. I felt like the energy was right. I didn't feel my legs shaking or anything like that. So it's hard to really pinpoint exactly what goes wrong in those situations and not be able to put down the trick. But man, really you can't think back on it too hard and really just torture yourself because like I said, the stuff we do on the skateboard is so technical

that like, you know, it could be your foot being in a slight wrong position, leaning back a little too much going a little too fast, going a little too slow. There's a lot of things that come into play there. And I feel like that's something about skateboarding that's really man, it's frustrating because I feel like what you guys do in football. It's like you make, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like make a wrong a wrong play or a wrong move and you kind of know what you did wrong Yeah Yes, absolutely man. It's just it's so frustrating because you just play it back in your head. You're like damn What went wrong what put out them differently? But when it comes down to it, man It's it's it's hard stuff. We're doing out there and it's not easy to land those tricks every shot. You've been credited with taking skateboarding from what Tony Hawk started four decades ago

and making it more mainstream, making it more popular. What was that transition like? Because everybody knows Tony Hawk is the godfather. I mean if there's a godfather of anything, he's the godfather of skateboarding. And you were you credited with like, okay, it's mainstream now we see it on television. Now we see kids in the Olympics. What more can you ask for? Because it's a global sport. Now, what was what is that when you hear that? What does that make you feel? Nigel? I mean, just being in the same, you know, conversation, or compared to at all to a guy like Tony Hawk is a true honor. My first skateboard ever was a Tony Hawk board. I grew up going to his demos and being like,

oh shit, Tony, like even though he wasn't a street skater, he was a vert skater, he'd been the big grand. He was such an inspiration and I guarantee skateboarding would not be He was such an inspiration and I guarantee skateboarding would not be where it's at now in the Olympics if it wasn't for Tony Hawk. And yeah, I've heard some people say a similar thing about me, you know, pushing the progression and getting more eyes on street skateboarding. Absolutely. Man, skateboarding is a special thing, especially when it comes to street skateboarding, because it really is what it's called.

It comes from the streets. People first started skateboarding on the sidewalk, cruising around here in Southern California, and then people started flipping the board, and then they started skating little curbs, and then they're jumping down handrails, and then there's contests, and then now it's in the Olympics. I think that's the most special part about skateboarding is it's, it really is so different from any other sport out there to the point where it is. If it still feels weird for me to call it a sport, I see it more as a way of life,

well way of life and you know, a lifestyle creativity. That's the gold medal winning 400 meter he just ran the second fastest time in Olympic history he won the gold put us back on top of the podium for the first time in the 400 meters since 2008 that is Quincy Hall. Chris Bailey you you had uh it was reported that you're dealing with a little hamstring issue a leg issue and you weren't able to run so they led off with Chris Bailey who handed the uh uh Vernon Norwood, Bryce Devon, and Rod Benjamin and at Vernon Norwood he's had an unbelievable because he ran extremely well at the mixed doubles and yesterday he ran us back into qualification running 43.5. Today he split another one but it came down to that ankle leg and you know you got to be a boy the Olympic champ at 400 at the hurdles when they got the baton tell me what would have been your strategy and what did you like about how

I played it No, I'm playing this move man. Rod knows that Tabogo is a quicker runner so Tabogo can't really like trail him as much but if I was Rod I would have took him out a little bit faster And made him chase a little harder but Rod played smart man. Rod had a long week Rod is an Olympic champion so Rod played it smart and if Tabogo would have tried him I feel like Rod would have chase a little harder, but Ryde played smart, man. Ryde had a long week. Ryde's an Olympic champion, so Ryde played it smart, and if Tobogo would have tried him, I feel like Ryde would have ran a little faster, but yeah, Ryde played it real smart.

Ryde's a good dude. I thought Ryde didn't step on the gas because he wanted to make sure he had something left at the end, because Tobogo ran the third fastest split that's ever been run. He ran 43.03. Ry ran 414313, which is the fifth fastest. Only two men have ever run sub split 43.

Obviously that's Michael Johnson, Jeremy Warner, Tabogo has the third. In the 92 Olympic, Quincy Watts ran a 41, won a 43, I keep saying 41, ran 43-1 and then ride today. So what we saw today, it doesn't normally come down like this, but boy that's what we want to see because normally we just run away with the thing Q. Yeah, we always run away with it. I kind of seen it from the prelims and then from the go to good that Botswana got a good team, you know what I mean? It's just not, US just got some to good that boss wanna got a good team. You know, I mean, they do. It's just not you. It's just got some dogs.

My Swann. I got a strong team. They got like five or six guys at the world. 44 me and 44 me translates to 43 in a split. So now we knew boss one of us going to be strong and stuff like that. But without me being on the relay, I knew we could win it just because we got some dogs too. I mean, I know Quincy Wilson split 47, but it's his first time being out here on the global stage.

And like I said, he's been dealing with some hamstring injury too, but it's just, like I say, it's learning experience, but anything we put out there, I had my money on our team. Q, you do know if y'all, if you run on that relay, y'all that roaring record might be 253. You know that, right? You know that, right You know that right?

I've been seeing a lot of comments about it, but I don't like to think of it with a could of shooters, cause I'm not that type of guy. I'm a what happened, you know what I mean? So I don't like to put myself, it's not about me right now. It's about those four guys that step on the line

and ran that race and won it. So it's not about me. I won the 400 year, that's cool, but I didn't step out today cause I didn't feel comfortable with my hamstring. I didn't want to, I didn't want to be tight or like have to stop running in preventing USA from getting a gold medal. So that was just a business move and just being a bigger person, being a good teammate. I'm curious, how did you, we saw the 400. Yeah. We saw coming off that last curve where you are.

Forget that part. I need to know how did you mainly prepare for the pressure of competing on the world's biggest stage? I just want to know that first. Then we'll get to the race and the end results. Well, like I said, man, I don't really like talking about track. I don't really like talking like that, but I consider myself like being one of the mentally strongest persons out there. And I don't think there's no pressure on me. Like every time I go

out there, it's like me racing in a small meet or something like this. I don't really, I don't feel no pressure. Like the other guys, I don't know about the other guys, but I don't feel no pressure. All I feel is that I practice by myself. So when I'm out there and I'm out there grinding, I'm out there doing my meters and I'm out there doing my heels and all of that stuff and my jump. I just feel like if I'm out there by myself, because my coach is always in California, Carter's Allen, and I'm out there by myself.

So when I'm out there just putting me in my work and doing my grind, I'm out there telling myself, like, come on Q, let's go. You know, you got to get up, let's go. So if I don't want it myself, then nobody is going to want it for me. So it's not really a mental standpoint. It's just me, I got bills to tell myself to like, come on, Q, let's go. You know, you got to get up, let's go. So if I don't want it myself, then nobody else is gonna want it for me. So it's not really a mental standpoint. It's just me, man, I got bills to pay.

You know what I mean? I got daughters. You know, I'm just keeping it real with you. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I look at it like as a bill's every do on the purse. So I pick myself up. I tell myself, let's do it.

I can encourage myself. You can't encourage yourself. Nobody else can encourage for you. So it's not really a mental standpoint on how I can get myself ready. It's just that the all-man talent, you know what I mean? You got to run it yourself, man. I'm Kari Champion and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

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