Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Bills beat Dolphins, Cowboys clinch 2-seed, Eagles in free fall

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Buffalo Bills taking out the Miami Dolphins to win the AFC East title, the Dallas Cowboys clinching the second seed in the NFC and preparing to face off against the Green Bay Packers in the NFL Playoffs, the Philadelphia Eagles' late-season collapse capping off with an upset loss to the New York Giants, Jameis Winston going rogue, Puca Nacua setting records, all 3 black coaches making the NFL playoffs, Katt Williams standing on business about his 40 time, and much more! 00:00 - Introduction03:00 - Bills beat Dolphins16:00 - Can Dolphins upset Chiefs30:00 - Jameis Winston goes rogue52:00 - Dallas Cowboys clinch01:05:00 - Eagles' struggles continue01:24:00 - Katt Williams runs the 4001:44:00 - Ocho's sex schedule01:50:00 - Much more Nightcap #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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that, guys. You've shown us so much love and support in the three months that we've had Nightcap. Well, we've had a channel for three months. We've been on for four months. But you've shown us so much love. We've grown so fast. We greatly, greatly appreciated that because without you we're nothing we just two guys up here talking and uh that wouldn't go very well but because you've shown us so much support and love we've grown at an exponential rate so we greatly greatly appreciate that Ocho let's get

right into it yeah the Bills defeat the Dolphins 21-14. The Bills pick off Tua to escape with a 21-14 win. The Bills win the East for the fourth consecutive year. They clinch the number two seed and will host the Steelers in the wildcard game next Sunday. Because the Miami Dolphins lost, they will now be the sixth seed and travel to Kansas City on Saturday. Josh Allen, 30-38, 359, two touchdowns, two horrible picks and an interception. But nevertheless, they were able to overcome those mistakes. Tua, 17 of 27, 173, a touchdown and a pick.

I want to know, hey, Tua, you still got those receipts? Because I got mine. I got mine right here, Ocho. I got my receipt right here. I knew you were going here, Ocho. I got my receipts right here. I knew you were going there. Ocho, I got my receipts right here. Uh-huh, uh-huh, Ocho. I got a lot of receipts.

Hold on, Ocho. I got all the receipts. Got them all. I kept them all. Yeah. I kept them all, Ocho. Yeah. I got all the receipts.

I'm like CVS. You're not CVS. You go buy one thing from Q-Tip and you get a thing that come all the way out the door. That's me. I got all the receipts. Hold on.

Hold on. I got some more receipts for you. Hey, Tua. You see, all you had to do was just go play. Or I keep receipts. They say you're nothing without Tyreek. You're nothing without this. Okay?

You had a game. Oh, you're home field. All you had to do was win. I want to hear what he got to say. I hate, a part of me hates that you and I are doing this live because I can't hear what he's going to say. Right.

Ooh! But go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead, Ocho. I'm going to let you take it. I still got some more. Go ahead. I'm going to think about this. I'm going to say this. Obviously, you already know. You played in divisions. You understand. You played three teams that are very familiar with you. You played three teams that know all your tendencies.

You played against three teams that know exactly what you're going to do, even though you changed the formations up. And when you play them, you kind of do the same things with a wrinkle or two and a wrinkle there are two or three plays that are different than what you normally do. Correct. That interception that just happened, they knew that was coming. Yeah. They knew that was coming based

on formation recognition and you see it, how he jumped to the goddamn corner route and you beating the goddamn ball to the goddamn receiver. How you beating the receiver to the ball? Because it's something you've already seen over and over and over.

Because he has to throw it so much anticipation. For the simple fact he doesn't have a Josh Allen arm or Patrick Mahomes arm, a guy that can just drive the football. So they already know he's going to let the ball go. So once I see that

receiver starting to get out of that break, I'm gone. I ain't even worried about no double move. I ain't worried about him giving me an out nod and going to the post. That's the last thing on my mind. Because when I watch him from film study, we haven't seen that. So why am I going to chase the goals? That's what Alex Gill

rested so the offensive line said. We're not going to chase goals. We're going to go by what we see on tape, and if they give us a wrinkle, we'll come to the sideline. We'll address it then, but we're not chasing ghosts. We're not going to say they're going to do something in which we haven't seen them do. So I haven't seen them

run a double move off that formation in this area of the field. I haven't seen a double move. So the minute, and guess what? They playing two, man. They under. Because where two are going?

Where are you going, Ocho? You got to go to the corner. You got to go to the corner. You got no choice. You got to take the one-on-one. It's the corner route. So what's the safety do? Sit there, sit there, sit there.

I guarantee he probably didn't even, he didn't probably get out his motherfucking back belt. He probably didn't even back belt. No, because here's his motherfucking back belt. He probably didn't even back belt. No, because here's the thing though, Ocho. The fact of the matter is, I got help underneath. Right. Because it's got to be a perfect throw.

Yeah. Because when you play what we call cover five or two man, I got a corner inside that's underneath, and then I'm over the top. Yeah. And if you miss, and because he had drove so early on the route, you can hit the safety in the chest. Stupid early.

I mean, it doesn't make it any better. Obviously, the situation, you got a minute, I think it might have been a minute and 41 or whatever it might have been, to get down the field. You don't have any timeouts. None. And you got to throw towards the sideline. So, obviously, that plays a key factor into, okay, I'm going to gamble.

I'm going to sit a little bit because I know they got to get the ball and they got to get out of bounds. But other than that, man, listen, I would have hoped, I would have thought,

obviously because Josh Allen had two horrible, horrible interceptions. He was out there just playing their throw up, throw up tackle. He just... Yes. In the end zone.

He just letting them fly. You know, and... And he lost the fumble. Yeah, that fumble too. You would think we would have gotten more points out of some of those turnovers. The Dolphins obviously

weren't able to accomplish that. Again, I'm happy for Josh, especially with all the turnovers he's had this entire goddamn season. They would have made a goddamn buffet out of him if they had lost his game, obviously. And there would have been a lot of out of him if they had lost his game, obviously.

And there would have been a lot of questions on his behalf as a quarterback. Yeah, because, again, he would have been smitten by the interception, by the turnovers. And that's the knock on him. Nobody denies his talent. He's big. He's 6'5", 250, 55 pounds. He can run. He's very difficult, he's a more

athletic Ben Roethlisberger with a stronger arm. I'm not saying he's better than Ben, but if you look at him, big guy, mobile, agile, difficult to bring down, he has a rocket arm. His arm is much more livelier than Big Ben, but at the end of the

day, it's the turnovers. He would be in the MVP discussion if he didn't have 20 damn turnovers. Easily. But because he has so many turnovers and they have directly attributed to some of those losses, it's hard for the voters, even though he has great stats, it's just hard to overcome that.

I don't care how many touchdowns he has. When I look at the turnovers and they look at when he throws them or when he has those turnovers, Ocho, how do I overlook that as a voter? You can't. And again, Ocho, again, Tyreek had a critical job.

He hit him on the numbers on the dead run. He hit him on the run, Ocho. He hit him on the run. Now, he swore up and down. He got great hands. You get an opportunity to prove it. He got so upset.

I said, I'm not saying you're not a great receiver. I said, you're more of a body catcher than a hand catcher. That's okay. You get the job done. But you're not as fluid. Like, I look at Devontae Adams as a hand catcher. Right. That's what I look at him as.

That's not to say that Tyreek isn't great. I mean, running backs, some guys have great speed. Some guys have great vision. Some guys have great change of direction. Right. But I'm just saying, and so when you, when you, when we evaluate a person, let's just say a defensive, a backer, an edge rusher. Well, he has more being. The other guy's more of a a defensive a back a backer right edge rusher well he has more

being the other guy's more of a bull rush right he's a more of arm over right he's more of a rip so yes all i'm saying i'm just giving you you know different things that he one guy does better than the other right that's not to try to knock it but you took it as a knock bro you going to the pro bowl you've been all pro you You're getting 1,500, 1,600 yards. So clearly you're doing something right. But when you evaluate, you take two cars. They're both

luxury models. You have to like something about one more than the other, Ocho. That's all I'm saying. That's the funny thing when you talk about the top receivers. I'm talking about the very top. I'm talking about the very top. I'm talking about the tier one, the cream of the crop, the creme de la creme. They all get the job done the same way.

They all get the job done, but they all skin the cat differently. Right. They all skin the cat differently at the end of the day. And at times, you have to be critical of those players that are at the very top because from the naked eye to the casual fan, they don't know what separates one. And it's up to us to be able to say, well, these

are the pros and cons of each person, even though they get the job done the right way on Sundays. So I'm a better outrunner. Yeah. So I'm a better run after the catch. Hey, you're getting a job done, but when we evaluate,

I mean, it's like an evaluator. When you're evaluating a player and you decide, well, I'm going to take this guy over that guy. Why did you take said guy over said guy? Well, we like the way he transitioned. We like the way he gets in and out of breaks. We like the separation. We like the change of direction. We like

the way he high points the ball. He catches the ball well. That's all those things. Okay, as an edge rusher, what do you like? His first step is, ooh, his first step is everything. His first 10, the way he can bend, the way he can change direction. All those

things go into it. And so, as you and I, I'm an analyst and I'm looking at it, I'm trying to tell the fan that just, okay, catch him, he caught a pass or he scored a touchdown. Our job is to tell you why he caught a pass. Why he scored a touchdown.

What did he do in that situation that allowed him to get open? Why was he able to catch the ball in traffic? Why was he able to do certain things? You look at a Justin Jefferson, one of the three. I think he's only the third guy to ever have at least 1,000 yards in 10 or fewer games. The man missed seven games this year, man. The man missed seven fucking games this year, man.

Still got a goddamn thousand. Yes. And so when you look at, Ocho, just look at the guys that went to the Pro Bowl. All of them are totally different. None of those guys are the same. Most definitely. Most definitely. None of those guys are the same.

But they get the job done. Congratulations to the Buffalo Bills. But you know what? It might be a blessing in disguise because I think clearly to me and I think to a lot of people that watch the game study the game kansas city isn't the same kansas city right as what we're used to seeing especially heading into the playoffs right my homes has had a down year the receivers haven't

gotten it done uh offensive line the the penalties uh uh the giving up of the sacks uh like i said my homes hadn't got it done so it's going to be very very interesting because I think Miami the thing that Miami can do because they are explosive their defense has been hampered you lose Jalen Phillips you lose Bradley Chubb those are your pressure guys

both of those guys I think had 95 pressure both of those guys are your sack guys so now you're kind of Van Greencourt I think that's how you say his name, 43. He went out. I don't know if he came back in, but I know he got Nick and went out. Christian Wilkins is a monster, playing really, really well.

Put pressure on the quarterback. He's great against the run, and he's a good interior lineman at pressuring the quarterback. But is that enough? But it just might be given the offensive line, that they're going to be facing next week, next Saturday night on Peacock. So I'm anxious to see that matchup, to see how it turns out,

because I think this is the first time we can honestly say, since Patrick Mahomes has become the starter, that going into the playoffs, the Kansas City Chiefs aren't the favorite. Favorite, yeah. Yeah. You're right. It probably is a blessing in disguise. Obviously, the one thing, when I think about the Chiefs defensively,

and Ladarius Sneed matches up very well against Tyreek. I think he does somewhat of a great job. Were they playing them early? I think they played them in Germany. Where did they play? I think they might have been in Germany, too. I think it was Germany. Ladarius Sneed is one of them. And They jumped out to a 21-0 lead.

They ended up holding on 21-14. And I think he's one of the few players I've seen that actually get up in Tyreek's face that chooses to challenge him and really not care. He plays very, very, very physical with young Bull. He plays very physical with him. Jump jamming, pressing,

trying to do all he can to frustrate him. And i'm sure he's going to try to disrupt that timing in the offense again because tua is a timing thrower he's a red door yes timing that offense so i'm sure that's going to be an issue and a problem so they're going to probably probably have to move reek around and find some some mismatches for him to get that team going offensively. I think Jalen Waddell will also be back. Yeah. Will Mostert be back? They do have A-Chan back.

So it's interesting to see because if I'm not mistaken, I don't think A-Chan played when they were overseas. Obviously, Mostert was there. He was out. His knee. He was out with the knee. He's liked to play a lot of two-man. And I'm not really concerned. You can play that coverage when you don't have a running quarterback.

You would never play that quarter, that coverage against Lamar or Justin Fields. They got to turn their back. You can't do that. Yeah. I'm not really concerned about Tua. I play that coverage against Tua. I'm not worried about him going anywhere.

And if he does, he's not going to get very far. So you play that coverage against quarterbacks that you don't think that can hurt you with their leg. So it's going to be interesting to see. The Chiefs defense has played outstanding all year long. They've been very good. I was happy to see

Chris Jones get that sack, get that 1.25. They were cutting up. Yeah, man, they were happy for him. I mean, you, a guy that plays like CJ does, you know he gives you everything he got every game. And he had to take a little reduction, and they put it in the form of incentive.

But that was supposed to be his money anyway. Yeah, yeah. That was supposed to be his money anyway. But he had to hold out. They chose not to pay him, right? Yeah, exactly. So he on the market. He'll be a free agent.

So it's going to be, are they going to franchise him? I think because of him, I got to sign. I got to resign. I got to. I don't know. I got to resign.

They like to play games. Listen, why not sign him the first time? Why not sign him the first time this year when you know what you get? Why the man got to hold out all the way to goddamn training camp just to get his money and you still don't get the job done. He has a hell of a season again to show you his worth

and his value. So listen, if you don't want to sign him, let the man go. Let the man walk. Let him get what he deserves because they're going to open up. They're going back at the brink. I can't let him go for nothing. You can't let him go for nothing. All right. Well, do what you need to do. I mean,

the draft is coming up. You know, all I'm saying, we in this relationship. Now, if you go over there with him, I ain't going to pay no alimony. I ain't going to pay no nothing.

What you going to do? You want to be over there with him? If you want her, you got to take on all the responsibilities. Well, listen, if you don't want me,

how are you going to get mad and want something in return when it's time for me to go elsewhere? I might not, but I don't want nobody else to have you. See? You know how it works. That's crazy. That's crazy how that works. That's exactly how it works.

That's crazy. I think you're going to resign him. He's been too good. He's the only guy on that defense that you really fear, especially with that front seven. He's the guy that if he singles up, he's going to hit your quarterback. He's the guy. They've got some great

players, but their great players are reliant on him. He gets the double team and not everybody else. He's the one guy that when you're drawing up, when we come in that meeting room on Wednesday, he's the guy that circles. If we don't stop him, we can't win this

game. We can't run our offense. We have to find a way to neutralize 95. So that's what the game plan is for Miami. Find a way to, where is he at? Identify where 95 is. Okay, we're going to go from there. That's how you're plan is for Miami. Find a way to, where is he at? Identify where 95 is. Okay, we're going to go from there. That's how you're going to do that.

But congratulations, Buffalo Bills. Had an up and down season. But when they pushed all the chips to the middle of the table, Ojo, and you had to have it, you went on the road, and you won in a hostile environment. You won the division for the fourth consecutive time. And there are still those questions. The Dolphins will beat one team with a winning record in 2023.

One. Yeah. One. One. Those are the facts. Yeah. I know you don't remember Dragnet. There was a guy named Joe Friday.

And all the things he would always say, just the facts, man. All that other stuff you're talking, just give me the facts. Yeah. I know you don't remember Dragnet. There was a guy named Joe Friday and all the things he would always say, just the facts, man. All that other stuff you're talking, just give me the facts. Wasn't Dragnet like a detective commercial? It was. Joe Friday. Just like Columbo. Yeah, I remember Dragnet. Joe Friday, yeah. Yeah, I remember Dragnet. Okay. Just the

facts, man. That's why I just gave you. The Miami Dolphins would beat one team. That was the Dallas Cowboys that had a winning record. And that was in week 16. So, congratulations. Miami, you got a very short week. You played Sunday night, and you got

to get on the road, get on the plane, and you got to go to the Midwest. Don't know the weather. Kansas City, probably going to be cold. Probably in the 40s that ain't bad though ain't bad I like 40s

that's football weather is it an afternoon game or is it a night game or in the afternoon ain't gonna be 40 at night right okay let's say about 30 30 ain't that bad

that's football weather you know what the temperature is right now right about 30 2 degrees where in Buffalo in Kansas City come on man I don't even get that cold in Kansas City 2 degrees the hell you say you talking about 2 degrees because of the

wind chill I'm talking about 2 degrees I don't care what it's because they say oh man you know what they say man it's because. They say, oh, man. You know what they say? Man, it's that humidity. It don't matter. 120 degrees is 120 degrees. I don't care if there's no humidity, some humidity, dry heat, no heat. 120 is 120.

Oh, man. Bro, after you get to a certain point, you just cold. Your body don't know the difference. You think your body know the difference between zero degrees and minus five? No, absolutely not. No. You cold. That's what you cold.

Yeah. So, A-Play says, hey, Mr. Sharp, what's wrong with the Dolphins? Is it injuries or just bad performing players or bad play calling? Well, look, everybody has injuries. Some teams have more injuries than others. I mean, losing Bradley Chubb, who you paid a ton of money to get after the quarterback. Losing Jalen Phillips, who you paid a ton of money

to go there and get after the quarterback. That hurt. Because now you're asking your back end to hold up a little longer because it's going to take you a little longer to get to the quarterback. Right. But it comes down to this. Your best players have to play their best when you need them to. Yeah.

And this was a game you needed your best players. Tua, you needed Tyreek. You needed those guys to play their best. Right. And that didn't happen. Tyreek had a touchdown. But Tua didn't have a good game. Tua was 17-27, 173,

a touchdown and two picks. That's not enough. Given the type of season that Tyreek has had, you needed him to be somewhere, Ocho, 10, 12 catches, a buck 50, buck 75, two touchdowns.

He needed to have his thumbprint on this game, and it wasn't. You know, and I had half the time with the young fella, young bull, I just asked about what's the problem with the Dolphins? I don't think ain't nothing wrong with the Dolphins. Ain't nothing wrong with the Dolphins. I think the problem is,

and the issue is, as I always say, listen, the Saints played the Falcons today. You saw what the Saints did to the Falcons? What, 41, 41? It was some crazy. Yeah, 48. It the Falcons today. You saw what the Saints did to the Falcons? What, 41-41? It was some crazy. Yeah, 48. It's a division opponent. That's the kind of game the Dolphins need to have today.

They need to make a statement. Listen, that's my home team. That's home team. I'm from Liberty City. I want to see the Dolphins win and get into the playoffs. I want to be able to talk shit too. I want to be able to counter for the receipts that Tua talks about When I get on with you

Right now I'm at a loss of words And there's really nothing You know I love to defend everybody I love to defend everybody And I actually can't tonight I can't I just can't I can't even defend my Eagles

There's nothing I can do Everything you say Everything you said, everything you said this entire year has goddamn come true if you really think about it. Think about it. Think about it. And I'm trying to defend everybody tooth and fucking nail

week in and week out the best way I can, but now my back is kind of against the wall and there's nothing I can do. To me, or for me, I think like you just said, the Dolphins going into Kansas City, Tyreek Hill has to put his thumbprint on the game and take it over.

The way Michael... Go ahead. I was just going to say, the way Michael Jordan take over a game, the way LeBron can take over a game, like, you know, I'm going to put this on my back, Tyreek got to do that. He got to go to the offensive staff, man, move me all over a game, like, you know, I'm going to put this on my back. Tyreek got to do that. He got to go to the offensive staff, man.

Move me all over the place. Do whatever you need to do. Right now, it's 34 degrees in Kansas City. Okay, I was right. It's supposed to be two degrees on Saturday night in Kansas City. Oh, coming up? Yes. Yes. Hold on.

Wait a minute, Gunk. Like, listen, I'm not the weatherman, coming up? Yes. Yes. Hold on. Wait a minute, Gunk. Listen, I'm not the weatherman. You know? Yeah. How is it going to go from 34 and in a week be 2 degrees? Kansas City don't even get that cold. I can see if it was Buffalo or New England. Clearly, you never played in Kansas City, but I played in Kansas City. Kansas City get

cold as hell. Yeah, it does. 2 degrees? 2. It get colder than that. And that ground is hard, too. But that's cool. Well, it used to have turf, but it's grass now. Right, right. It's grass now, yeah. But it gets harder.

Let's revisit. Aiden plays. He said, what's wrong with the injury? Bad performance player or the bad play calling? It's just your expectations. They high. The Dolphins have been like this all year. They've been like this all year.

It's just that you had expectations of you thought that at some point in time, because, hey, there's nothing wrong with the Dolphins. Everything's going to work out. I remember I would tell you something. What'd you tell me? Man, we're only five weeks into the season. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're only 10 weeks into the season. Yeah. So here we are. The regular season is Chad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we're only 10 weeks into the season. Yeah. So here we are. The regular season is over, and we still have those same questions. And so the fans,

the expectations haven't changed, although they've seen the Dolphins do the exact same thing. Right. And so they're expecting to get a better result when they haven't seen that,

especially against a team with a winning record with the exception of the Cowboys. All the other teams that have winning records, they beat them. They beat the Dolphins. And so the fans' expectations

are something that the Dolphins' performance hadn't measured up with all year. Right. The Dolphins' performance and fans' expectations have never been right here. Yeah, they haven't aligned here. Yeah, they never. They haven't aligned yet. No, they haven't.

They haven't aligned yet. Geos23 asks, as a quarterback, would you rather have hands, receiver, or a body receiver? I want a guy to see when I throw him the ball, he's going to catch it. That's it. That's all that matters. Whether you catch it with your body, whether you catch with your hands, you think everybody does it different as long as you get the job done at the end of the day.

That's all that matters. That's all that matters. The weather determines a lot. I understand that when the inclement weather's coming to a play, you try to body catch it, but at some point in time you're going to ask your receiver to go up and high point the ball.

You're going to ask him to make a catch in traffic. And that's where you really earn your money. You can have anybody. I mean, anybody can go catch the football, but in the fourth quarter with three minutes left in the game, Ocho, and it's 36. Does he

want the ball? Yeah. Can I count on you to throw you the ball? Yeah. I don't want to, hey man, I don't want to hit on my bad. I don't want to hear about a double.

I'm coming to you. I'm going to give you an opportunity to make a play. Yeah. Yeah. Shit, motherfucker. Forget the double.

It's third and six in the strong safety in the box for run support. And it's man to man, safety in the middle of the field. Bump and run on the outside.

It's third and six. And we call your number. What you going to do? Can you make a play? Can you get open? Everybody watching. We know where the ball going. We know where the ball going.

What you going to do? That's when you make your money. When the quarterback call to play, it's like church. Can I get a witness? Can I get a witness? Okay. That's a good one. Okay. That's a good one.

Hey, when someone say, T, I'm coming to you. It don't matter. As a matter of fact, I don't see anybody out there. All I know is he called to play. He told me he was coming to me. I'm gonna get open. I'm gonna to you. It don't matter. As a matter of fact, I don't see anybody out there. All I know is he called a play. He told me he was coming to me. I'm going to get open. I'm getting open. I don't care if I got to put somebody down,

kick somebody down. I'm going to get that rock. I'm going to get it. Oh no. But this is because this is why. This is how you become who you are. In moments like this, I've. This is how you become who you are. Yeah. In moments like this, I've been very fortunate. You know, we had 36 in Pittsburgh. We had lost more minimum of the game.

Right. John called a play. We didn't even have that play in all. We didn't have that play in that week. Right. We had run the play earlier in the season. Right. But we hadn't run that play for like five or six weeks.

Mike was the type of coach that if he put a play in, he might have put that thing in in preseason. He called it in the game. He expect you to know what to do. Bro, we ain't practice this. Hey, I'm looking back at John. I wish somebody could actually go get the footage and see how I throw my arms up asking John, what do

you want me to do? And he yells, go get open. No problem. I'll be right back. I'll be right back. When I come back, I'm going to have the ball. Right.

In the game. That's it. That's what you got to have. That's the mindset you got to have, Ojo. Check this out. There's something that happened in the game. The Falcons,

the New Orleans Saints were up 41-17. I saw that. Dennis Allen called victory formation. Victory formation. The ball's on like the one or two yard line. Like the one yard line. Victory formation is the quarterback takes the snap.

He takes the knee. Right. Game over. The damage has been done. We proved our point. Jameis would never change. This explains why Jameis Winston Is not in Tampa This is what explains why Jameis Winston

Will never be what people wanted him to be Because of this What? The coach called victory formation He said it was a team decision What team? There was no defensive players on the field The team is a team So the team is just offense now? No, I There was no defensive players on the field. The team is a team. So the

team is just offense now? No, I mean the offense that was on the field at the time said, you know what, we want to get a touchdown for brother Jamal. That's not what, you see? You see? You see what happens when you go rogue? Now this explains why Baker Mayfield was basically able to take the same team that Jameis Winston

has. Same receivers, pretty much the same defense, Levante David, Devin White, Shaq Barrett, a lot of those same players and make the playoff and Jameis couldn't. So I have a question. I got an answer. So you don't agree, you don't like the call that he made?

Had I been on that field when Jameis did that, I'd have jumped off sides. On purpose. And backed it up. Because there's a difference between winning. You see the mindset? That's why Jameis isn't a winner in the NFL. You have a winner's mindset.

You have winners. You have losers. It's really simple. The coach said victory. We up 41-17. And because Jamal Williams hadn't had a touchdown, now, you look, oh, he put his blood, sweat, and tears. So what about week one? Week two, three, four, five, six,

seven, eight, 19, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. So for 17 weeks, he ain't put no blood, sweat, and tears in it. But he hadn't scored. You know what? I don't know. Can we take a listen?

Let's listen to Jameis. Let's let Jameis explain it himself. Well, I apologize to DA because the play was victory. But I also explained to DA that it was a team decision. And I think when you have a team morale, and I ask the guys, I say, guys, what do you want to do? We know how much Jamal means to this team, and I understood from DA's perspective. So I give him that. But DA didn't condone that at all.

You know, he didn't. However, we decided as a team to do it, and, man, we got an interception to the one-yard line. Yeah. You know, like, so if we would have scored, it still would have been disrespectful. Right. You know, so. Tyron wasn't in on it, was he? No, Tyron was not in it.

No, I'm just kidding. It was an offensive team discussion. However, when you return the ball to the one-yard line, you have the opportunity. We just had the opportunity, and we decided. Now you see why they went and got Derek Carr. With Jameis Winston on the roster. That's why.

And you're paying $40 million. That's why. No. We, he said, DA said victory. But we made a collective decision. Right. That's the difference between winners and losers. Sometimes your coach calls something. Sometimes your coach calls something. Sometimes

your coach calls something. And the play come in, and the quarterback, you know what, y'all? I don't really like that. I'm gonna improvise, and I'm gonna do this. That's the starting quarterback. That's Brady. That's Manning. That's Mahomes. That's Burrow. That's not a backup quarterback

in a victory formation situation, Ocho, and you know it. That's why Jameis Winston doesn't win in the NFL. Hold on, man. The point of the game is to score as many points as possible. You're on the one with our— Come on, Ocho. Ocho is 41-17.

Oh, 41-17? So why did he call victory formation? If the objective is to score as many points as possible, why did he call victory? Let me ask you a question. It was 41-17 before they scored? What was the score? Before. Before they scored.

Yes. So what's the difference? 41-17 added another seven points? I mean... If the objective is to score as many points as possible, why didn't he call a play? Why didn't Dennis Allen send a play in?

Well, you know the coaches pack. The coaches have a pack. There are unwritten rules. There ain't no pack, Ocho. I'm just asking. No, talk about the coaches pack. Let me tell you. Why didn't Dennis Allen send a play in?

Did you hear what I said? The unwritten rules of football. The unwritten rules that the coaches have. Never run the scoreboard up. So what's the unwritten rules for quarterback? Huh? What's the unwritten rules for quarterback? Oh,? What's the unwritten rules for quarterbacks? Oh, you know, I don't know about that.

I play receiver. Well, how do you know about the coaches? You ain't never been no coach. No, I ain't never been no coach, but I seen coaches come off the sideline and almost getting in fistfights. NFL games. Oh, so you ain't never seen no quarterback? So in your time of playing, how many times have a quarterback gone against victory formation and did something

that wasn't called. Hey, what about Dan Marino with the fake spike on the Jets? Fake spike and, remember that? They were down. Oh, they were loose. They were down in the game. Right. He faked them out and threw a touchdown. Yeah. I think it was Ingram.

Wasn't it Ingram? I think it was Ingram. Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's funny. I really haven't seen the situation happen that much or that often, honestly. It's never happened on show. Okay. That's the first half of everything. You see it as a bad thing. You see it as a bad thing.

If I'm Dennis Allen and I'm the coach, there's no way Jameis Winston is in that locker room next season. Damn. No way. And I don't want him on my team. Are you serious? No way.

No way, no how. You can't win with that. You overreacting a little bit, man. Come on, man. That's the type of guy. You see? That's the type of guy that will get a small contingent that that's weak minded. Right. To follow him. That's why he can't win.

I don't like you ask yourself. I don't like me. I don't like me. I don't like where you're going with this, baby. I love you. I love you. But I don't like where you're going with that. I know you're talking. James is a good he's a good quarterback. He's a good quarterback that hasn't been superior or great. He's a good quarterback that hasn't been superior or great. You're not asking the questions. Ask yourself why. Why can't you make the playoffs with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin?

Both guys make the Pro Bowl. When you got Levante David, you got Shaq Barrett, you got Devin White. Why can't you make the playoffs? Because you throw 33 touchdowns with 30 turnovers. That's why. I would not want Jameis Winston on my team. He has a loser's mentality. It ain't no what we decided.

Who left you in charge? You're a backup. Since when does a backup get to make effing rules? You're being a little savage. You're being a little savage, a little hard on your bull right now, man. No, Ocho. I just believe there's a right and a

wrong way to do everything. That is the wrong way. If Dennis Allen wanted him to score, he would have sent a play in. He took a knee. He said victory. That means we take a knee. Had I been in the game, I would have jumped off sides. I'm just telling you what I would have done.

I'm not. Listen. You would have jumped off sides for real? Absolutely. Absolutely. But again. I'll tell you what I did. You know what? I'm not I'm not listen and you would have jumped off the side for real absolutely absolutely but again if you don't I'll tell you what I did you know what

we were at I was in Baltimore yes sir the Super Bowl Brian Billick ain't have no rules we had no

we had no curfew and no bed check Brian Billick says I'm going to treat you like a man he says all I ask is that you you like a man. He says, all I ask is that you ride from the hotel to the practice facility to and from

on the team bus. Guess what? We got some dudes from Tampa. My parents going to pick me up and I'm riding. I say, no, F you not. I say, Brian gave us one specific rule. He said, we're going to ride to and from practice on the team bus. You will not

get your ass in that car with your parents. That will not happen. Guess what happened? They got their ass on that team bus. If your parents want to get you, they can come to the hotel, get you, and you can go wherever you want to go. But you're not going to do that. That's what leadership

is. Anybody can leave in a moment of greatness when it's easy. You see, it was easy for Jameis to do what he did. Oh man, that's your... No, no, no, no, no, no. But when times got tough, when he was in Tampa, how did he do, Ocho? When times got tough in Tampa,

you won't tell the people how he did. Why? Because when it got tough, he did things his own way. Can't win like that. You never can. You never could. You never will.

There's a reason why. Everybody say, man, Jameis good. They went out and spent money on Derek Carr. Why, Ocho? You know what? Why? Yeah. Marcus Aurelius said you ask each particular thing.

You ask the who, the what, the when, the where and why And then you'll have your answer Why? I like James James has always had a winning mentality It ain't about like He's always had a winning mentality I like ice cream, I ain't eating it at midnight

Any quarterback Has always had a winning mentality He always does things the right way. That's not true. He always carries himself the right way. He's always conducted himself the right way. Now, this is one of the few times. I mean, when it comes to someone's play, I can't critique someone's play.

I remember the season. You're more than qualified to do that. I know I'm more than qualified. He had a great season, but the turnovers hampered him. Wow. The turnovers hampered him. Why? The turnovers were magnified. How? Why?

But he was slinging that rock, though. To other teams? Hey, that 30 and 30. How many games did he cost his team with turnovers? That 30 and 30, he was slinging that thing. Yeah. And Tommy Boy came in the following year, right? Tommy came in.

And won the Super Bowl. Yeah. With the same roster he had. James Baker Mayfield with basically the same roster that he had. Won the division. Yeah. Yeah, but listen, I just, I don't know. Either you're going to allow the coach to lead and you follow him

or you have nothing. Name something where there's not a leader. In business, in military, what is it where you don't have a leader? And if you don't follow the leader, tell me the success that you're going to have. I feel you. I didn't know you would think like that.

I didn't know you would feel like this about it, though. Let me ask you a question. So Ocho says, you know what, guys? Me and your mom are going out. And don't nobody go nowhere. And your daughter said, well, we made a decision. We made a decision. The other kids wanted to go to the movies.

Or they wanted to go get something to eat. Right. How you feeling about that, Ocho? You cool with that? So me and Rhea, we're going out, right? You said don't leave the house. OK. And they decide to leave the house anyway.

Yeah. Yeah, but we got a little issue. Wow, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no, that's not what you said earlier. We got a little issue. He made a decision. For Team Morrell, she said, my brothers and sisters,

I want my brothers and sisters to look at me a certain way and feel a certain type of way about me. So this is what I did. I know what you said, but this is what I did because I'm in charge. Why not? You know what? That's a good one right there too. Now you got to have a goddamn good damn reason why you did what you did. You got to have a good goddamn reason why you did what you did. Were your brothers and sisters hungry?

I got 11 kids, so it's a whole bunch of different excuses they can come up with. There ain't no excuses. Because if you tell your kids that they're not allowed to do something and they do it, there's not an excuse they can give me. Unless there's a life or death situation. There is no

way. Yeah. That's a good one. You know what's funny? I didn't I didn't think you would feel that bad about this or feel the way you actually feel and to hear you say something to hear you saying

some of the things you're saying that's like oh shit I'm pissed he don't like that shit like when I saw it I saw it on Twitter

I saw it on Twitter and I look I said oh man that's really dope to get young bull you know to get him that little touchdown or whatever it is that, you know, whatever the reason behind it is.

That man had 17 weeks to get a touchdown. Yeah. The offense, the way the offense went, it's just he wasn't able to get it. So they have no goal-to-go situation? They have no first and goal from the one? The whole year? It didn't. When I looked at it, right? When I looked at the tweets, when I looked at

the comments, and I was like, oh, man. And I said, the caption I put was, you know what? There's an unruly football now. You don't run the scoreboard up on your opponent. When you have the opportunity to kneel the ball or run the clock out, you do so. The whole chat, man, fuck so-and-so. It's the

Falcons. We don't care nothing about them people. Run the scoreboard up. And the point of the game is to continue to score as many points as you can. And if you're on the field and playing defense, stop it. Stop it. So it's like, damn, well, everybody agreeing on Twitter. So I'm thinking you was going to have the same kind of take. If the clock ain't hit zero, you got to stop it.

So I'm just telling you. So now, next time, I'm going to take a cheap shot at you. We playing football, right? Yeah. So imagine what happened when you take a victory formation. You remember how everybody was up in arms? Yeah. When Michael Bennett went hard and got his.

Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. You remember everybody? What's the one rule? We playing football, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember everybody? What's the one rule? We playing football, right? Yeah. So under no situation.

So now you get ready to take it. You take one step and you just like, hey, we take it and do far off and hit you. You will be the all bad. OK, that's cool. No, you will be mad because you said a victory. That's a great. Hey, bro, we're going down. Hey, I'm going down, bro.

We good. I got my chin strap unbuttoned. I done unfastened my shoulder pads. Hey, I done untook the tape off my hand. Normally, I done got my gloves. Hey, I got my gloves in my waist. Roma said, Ocho, you're missing the point. This speaks to how a team is run.

Either players don't give a F about the coach's decision or the head coach is a liar. He said it. Even before Jameis said it. He said the victory formation and Jameis wanted to get the guy a touchdown. He said it.

Did the coach have a reaction yet? Ain't nothing he can do. It was done. I know, but I'm saying after the fact. What do you think? I got a reaction. He ain't going to be back on his team. That's my reaction. Come on. I, but I'm saying after the fact. What do you think? I got a reaction. He ain't going to be back on his team.

That's my reaction. What do you know? Come on. I'm sorry. That's how you feel. What do you think the coach is going to say? You think the coach cares? Oh, coach is upset.

He's upset, Ocho. You think so? Because when your kids do things that you've asked them not to do, that's a reflection on you. That tells me you got no control over your kids. When kids are yelling and screaming on the plane or in the airport or in the grocery store, you looking at the kid or you looking at the

parents? Well, I have kids. I'm kind of looking at the kids. Because sometimes kids are kids and all of them ain't going to behave and all of them ain't going to listen. That's just being realistic. I'm just telling what people say. Get your kids under control. I did not pay $2,000 for first class to hear your kid cry.

Yeah, did you pay $2,000? No, I'm just saying. That's what people say. Oh, I'm running around the grocery store. I don't have time to be dodging kids. This is not an obstacle course. Your kid's running through the grocery store, and I got to be an obstacle,

drive like I'm on an obstacle course to miss them with the buggy. Right. Kyru said, oh, you don't know the context, though. The players don't really respect D.A. That's the problem. That's why you're not winning. See, you don't understand. That's why you're not winning.

I don't think that's the issue, though. I mean, a fan saying, oh, they don't really, everybody, every coach, every player, you know, they respect their coach. Come on, now. He's from the outside talking. I'm just going by what he said. He's not.

They don't respect the D.A. It's been that way. There's something going on between the player and the coaching staff on the Saints. Yeah. Jameis took it. So, only two people. Jameis did what he did. Well, I guess the offensive line, because they had to block

because normally everybody just take one step. You touch each other. Hey, man. Good game. Stay healthy. Hey, we see y'all next time. Hey, good luck, man. Hey, what you got going on, man? Congratulations. You got married. You had a kid. Whatever the case may be. Tell you. If you know the person really well, tell your mom, your dad

hello. Tell the wife. Hey, tell the missus hello. You out the door. well. Tell your mom, your dad, hello. Tell the wife, hey, tell the missus hello. You out the door. Ocho, I was not the greatest player. But the one thing that people that played on the team would tell y'all was all about the team. We're going to do it the right way. It ain't going to be no uprising. No, that ain't going to happen.

No, we're going to do things the right way. I was in college, Ocho. And you know, I was savannah state we ain't got no no training staff like alabama right we ain't got no you know we ate with the regular students right okay the team talked well they got mad because we only got limited supply so we you know they give us what they got now mind you mr hubbard who's head of the kitchen, who's the head of the cafeteria, he would give us steaks on Friday. Right.

They mad, talking about, man, I'm tired of eating the same thing every day. Sharp, come, come. Hey, this is how they approached me. You don't believe I'm lying. Y'all go ask Darrell McCormick. They call him Bucky. They come to my room. Hey, Sharp.

Because, you know, most of the time I have my door open. Hey, Sean! Hey, about six or seven of them come. So I'm laying on my bed because normally I'm laying on my bed looking up at the ceiling. I'm thinking about, you know, I'm thinking about going to the NFL. I'm thinking about something else other than what I've got going on. So I see like five or

six of them come in the room. I sit up on show. Hey, Sean! I said, what's up? Man, we need your help. I said, okay, what's up? Man, we want to boycott the cafeteria. Man, I'm tired of eating the same thing. I said, if y'all don't get y'all

cry freedom ass out my mofo room, I know something. I said, that man give us steak when none of the regular students get steak. He go out of our way. We're supposed to get a meal, eat, and then come back. A lot of times, he'll give us first and second the one time through. And y'all want to talk about, y'all want to boycott?

Right. If y'all don't get y'all cry freedom ass out my room, I know something. Right. Man, come on. Man, get out my room. And when they walked out, I slammed the door. I tried to break the door to let them know just how disgusted I was. We're not going to do things the wrong way.

We don't do things willy-nilly. Jameis Winston was wrong in this situation, and I would not want him as a teammate. Hey, I guarantee the players on the Saints don't feel like that, though. Doesn't matter. Hey, what if it's an incentive? What if it's an incentive in there we don't even know about? What if it's an incentive that we don't even know about? What if it's an incentive

that we don't even know about? Oh, Joe. So you couldn't get him that incentive before you got to 48? They got 41 points at that point. Right. I understand.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm just saying how the players today think, the players on that team, the players in that locker room, I can't answer anything like that. They're not reacting the way obviously it's going to be a huge topic

tomorrow, I'm assuming. I think most of the people on our side, as far as media is concerned, or analysts, or those that like to critique the game and some of the things that players do, are going to be on your side. They're going to be on your side. I'll stand on this island by myself.

Phil Zaldala said said i'm tripping you play you play to win the game dennis allen ain't even a real coach derrick car is trash shout out to real james winston stop stop the j-bo hate if if derrick car ain't a real coach why james winston ain't the starter you know james winston was there he's been there for three years so why go get somebody else and remember remember what remember what was the, what's the Jack? He played quarterback, running back, tight end.

He was starting over Jameis. If they thought that much of Jameis. Taysom Hill? Taysom Hill. What that, Ocho, a girl at your school, you been digging on her,

you like her, you like her like, hey, what's up? And she go to, and she go to a neighbor's school and get a boyfriend over there and you right there. at your school. You've been digging on her. You like her. You like her. Like, hey, what's up? And she go to a neighbor's school and get a boyfriend over there and you right there. That's what the Saints did. They got Jameis in their locker room.

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Who? That's not a surprise. That's not a surprise. Arthur Smith, it's about St. The Atlanta Falcons head coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he's straight. You know who his people are. He good. He good. He's straight. But that tells you everything. That's why I respect him even more.

Because he said, I don't want to go that route. I want to make a name for myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't want to be the business thing. I want to be a coach. I want to be grimy.

I want a toll. You're absolutely right. He probably could have went and did the family business. His dad is the owner of a started FedEx. Yeah. That's who his dad is.

How he just got fired? It ain't been 24 hours yet. The game ain't in oh they must have waited that don't matter hey what if the Falcons and Saints the Falcons and Saints

played at they played in they played in New Orleans in New Orleans in New Orleans oh so they waited until they landed yeah they been

they been back home they been home let's move on Ocho the Cowboys beat the Commanders 38-10 Dak didn't want to wear the NFC title, hat, or shirt. He said, we won the East before. The focus ahead is simple. The focus is ahead.

Simple as that. I want something better. In 2021, the Cowboys was 12-5, lost to the 49ers in the second round. Second round, right? Yeah, they lost to the Wild Card game. Anyway, they were 12-5, they lost to the 49 wild card game anyway they were 12-5 they lost to the 49ers 22 they were 12-5 lost to the 49ers

and 23 2023 they're 12-5 who do the Cowboys play they play the Packers ooh that's gonna be a good one boy hey that's gonna be a good one that's gonna be a good one Mike That's going to be a good one.

Mike McCarthy said he won't participate in the drama surrounding Packers playoff game. What drama? What drama? I know that's his old team. But, bro, you've been out of there for a minute. Listen, you know who created the drama? You know who created it? An unnecessary noise?

Jerry Jones. Thank you. Jerry Jones. Thank you. Jerry Jones. Listen, Dak said what he said already. That needs to be the continuous headline for the remainder of the week until they play. What he said. I don't want to wear any of the NFC stuff. I have my eyes on the bigger prize.

I want NFC championship, NFC championship, or Super Bowl. If it ain't that, I don't want it. So Jerry need to leave it as is. We don't need to hear nothing, no quotes, no statements, no nothing. Jerry got to get his name in the paper. Oh, come on, man. Come on, man. You see Dak? Dak got his name in the paper. Dak said we won the East before.

The focus is ahead. Simple as that. I want something better. Bingo. Nothing else need to be said from anybody else. That's your leader. Your leader has spoken. Your leader has spoken. Allow that to carry on throughout the locker room. Allow that to be said from anybody else. That's your leader. Your leader has spoken. Your leader has spoken. Allow that to carry on throughout the locker room. Allow that to be the headlines. We don't need to hear nothing from the owner.

Michael said the regular season is cute, but this is legacy. There is always a term of to be phenomenal or be forgotten. That's me, CD and Dat. We have all that legacy to earn the hard way, but that type of Cowboys Hall of Fame, because they saw Emmitt and they saw Haley

and they saw all the greats out there when Jimmy went into the Ring of Fame. Right. That's how you want to be remembered. I mean, Emmitt, those teams that won in the 70s, those 70s Cowboys with Randy White and Roger Stahlberg and Drew Pearson and Tony Hill and Tony Dorsett. Yeah. Those are the ones.

Harvey Martin. Those are the ones in the 90s. That's like, hey, you never forgotten. Yeah. You never forgot. Cemented. That's what it's about. Right. That's how, hey, you're never forgotten. Yeah. You're never forgotten. Cemented. That's what it's about.

Right. That's a legacy. The regular season, and Micah's right, regular season's great, great. In order to get to the postseason, you have to take care of business in the regular season. But if you want to be remembered, play great in those games in the postseason. And they'll never forget you. No matter what happens. Hey, no matter how many.

Look, there have been the Bronco teams that was winning when Peyton was there. When I showed up, I got just as much, if not more love than those guys because they already know what I had done. Yeah. I go back to Baltimore, which I don't go back often. I get mad, love. Because I was the first one to get it started.

A mentality. A championship way of doing things. Right. That's what it's... Dak officially led the NFL in touchdown passes this season with 36.

Yeah, Dak. Congratulations, Dak. He played well. He played well. Now, we've seen him play well before. Yeah. He played well. He played well. Now, we've seen him play well before. Now, can he use that momentum from the regular season and launch this

team and himself into the playoffs? And you know what they need to do? CeeDee Lamb has had back-to-back weeks of touching and catching 10-plus balls, and look how the game turned out. Yeah.

Yeah. Make your life easy. Make life easy for Dak and tell you to move CD around. Allow him to facilitate... He gets your boy next week, though. Who? Jire.

He gets your boy next week. That's your boy. Yeah, but that boy could play. I'm talking about man to man. He's sticky with it. That's going to be a good game, bro. He gets your boy next week. That's going to be a good game.

But listen, Zaire don't travel either. So obviously, whenever CeeDee lines up on the outside, well, that's going to be one to watch. That's going to be one to watch. They need to implement. I've been saying this for a long time. You know, you have a TV camera and most of the time time you see a catch or you see a play that a receiver makes or a play that a db makes you always have to wait for the replay you always

have to wait for the replay they need to implement a camera where you can see everything from jump from the snap of the ball where it highlights the receiver and the db while the play is being called so you can see everything develop start the end as opposed to okay we saw a touchdown okay but now we got to wait for the replay where you can see it live in action I don't know just like uh uh what do you call it picture and picture like picture and picture so in the corner of your screen you had the receiver and the DB match up and watch and watch things develop how they got open how they got off the line or how the DB... I don't know. It's just a thought.

It would be dope to have. I like the fact that the Cowboys came out and took care of business. They were on a mission from the start. There wasn't no dilly-dallying around. Look, we are a superior team. We're going to show you our superiority early on. Leave no doubt.

Because, see, the thing is sometimes, Coach, the worst thing that you can do for a team is to beat them in a close game. Because now the coach is going to go into the locker room, that's one of the better teams, and you see how close we came to beat them. Right. We cleaned up a few things, we're right there. The Cowboys says, Washington, you got a lot to improve upon. Yeah.

You're not close. Josh Harris is going to clean house. The new owner of the Washington football team, he cleaned the upon. You're not close. Josh Harris is going to clean house. The new owner of the Washington football team, he's going to clean the house. You think so? He's going to clean the house. When I say clean house, not only get everything that was in there out, he's going to scrub it down.

And bring in his own regime, huh? Bring in his own everything. How are you sure, though? How are you so sure? I'm about, I'm 1,779% sure. You got you. I'm infinity sure. There's nothing more than infinity.

I'm infinity sure. Okay, I mean, you got sources. You know, you know. I got no sources. You know people. Ocho, Ocho, how am I going to keep a coach with that record? I saw no improvement all year.

Damn. Did you see the improvement? No. But they got one hell of an offense too, boy. They got BNME. When you look on paper, let me roll back.

Jahan Dotson, Brother Samuel, Terry McLaurin. Very decent, adequate backfield. All you need, there's nothing wrong with Sam Howell. I'm assuming because they stuck with him. I think they had an opportunity to go out and get a quarterback. I'm assuming during the offseason they had an opportunity. But I think get a quarterback, I'm assuming, during the offseason. They had an opportunity, but I think they said, you know, Sam Howell is our guy.

Have we seen enough of him to make a decision and say, okay, you know what, I don't think Sam is the guy. I don't think he's the one for us. They got a top five pick. They're coming out with a quarterback. Now, maybe they can train. Ain't nobody going to be there because Caleb Williams and Drake may going to be off the board. They gone.

But here's the board. They gone. But here's the thing. Are you willing to trade? Is Russell Wilson better than Sam Howell? Russell Wilson is going to the Steelers. No, they're not relieved. What if we can trade him? Now, if we can't trade him, I'm going to get something for you, Ocho.

Right, right. Yeah, I just. If I was Russell, I wouldn't do it. Because then you just... He ain't got no choice. Well, he does. I think he might have no trade clause. Exactly. Which is why I say he's going to the Steelers.

You know, if you're going to go somewhere, he's going somewhere that has a team that is built in somewhat to get to that goddamn playoffs and have opportunity at Lombardi. He only got so many years left to actually play the game of football, actually play the quarterback position.

Now you're young, you're in your fourth year and the things aren't working out. Okay, I understand. Okay, I go to the commanders and see what we can do and we can build from there. He don't have that kind of time left. So it got to be to a contender. And with the way the Steelers looking,

they're a goddamn quarterback away now. They are a quarterback away. And with the way the Steelers looking, they're a goddamn quarterback away now. They are a quarterback away. I like the way Mason Rudolph has played. He's done a great job taking care of the football. But maybe the ceiling. He's already been there, like you said, with Jameis Winston. Why would they go get Derek Carr if he was already there? Right.

Why would they draft Kenny Pickett if Mason Rudolph was already there? Maybe he's not the guy. Hey, bro. Hey, you preach. Hey, I need you to give that to the congregation. I'm the choir. I sing. I've been here every week.

I've been here every week for a reason. Okay. Give that to some of the ones that only come once in a while. I'm just, I'm just, I'm telling you, I'm going to use what you said. I'm going to use what you said and give it back. All right. Jacob asked, is Dak elite?

The comments are really hyping him up. They even mentioned MVP talk. And I'm a Cowboy fan. Uncle no joke. Well, the MVP discussion should be over. Dak, is it?

It's over. Who's your MVP? Lamar. Lamar. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Who else? The only question is if he he going to win it unanimously?

Yeah. That's the only question. It ain't no question of who's going to win the MVP. The question is, is he going to win it unanimously? Unanimously. It's always going to be one idiot. No, I mean, he won it before. He and Tom Brady are the only ones to win it unanimously.

Right. So, for me... I mean, when it comes to the voting, I guarantee you it's going to be one idiot. I think I think I think they've seen enough. You know who the voters are. Who are the voters? It's 50. I don't I don't know. I mean, there's some like they normally do beat writers. I mean, when I was at CBS, I used to be a voter. I used to be a voter. I did.

Absolutely. That's why I take it so serious. That's why I watch every game. I study every game. I voted for the All-Pro team. Yes, I voted. I took it absolutely very serious. Right.

And you didn't get him based on name. Like, Buda Baker should not have made the Pro Bowl. Not over Winfield Jr.? Yeah. I don't know how. Yeah, if you look at this, what the hell is wrong with me tonight? I'm talking too damn fast. Statistics.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. Hey, Antoine, Antoine, we're hot, boy. Yeah. You seen his pops? His pops was snapping. He shut up. Right, right, right saw that. Hey, Antoine, Antoine, we're hot, boy. Yeah. You seen his pops? His pops was snapping. He shot up.

Right, right, right, right. How you got no interceptions, no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries. You missed time with an injury. And it's not, you know, the argument, well, he was on a winning team. They ain't win nothing. He was injured. Didn't have the stats. His team didn't win. That's on reputation.

They need to stop that. That's on reputation, and that happens a lot. So I don't want Antoine to keep his head up. This has been going on before I was in the league, during the league, and it's going to continue to go on. There's always going to be a few guys that get in on reputation. They didn't, and I don't say deserve, Buda Baker did not earn the right to go to Orlando

and be an NFC representative in the Pro Bowl. He did not. There's nothing. There's no metric. There's no stat. Right. There's nothing you can use to say, you know what? He had a better season than Antoine Winfield Jr.

None. Mm. But that's my only question, Ocho. The only question is, is Lamar going to win the MVP? Now, who comes in second, third? It doesn't matter. It don't matter. It don't even matter.

In a situation like that, first. First matters. Yeah. Because that means you're It don't even matter. In a situation like that, first. First matters. Yeah. Because that means you're going home with the award. And I believe Lamar Jackson will win his second MVP in four years. That's crazy work. Crazy. Let's go.

Hey, he's from Florida. Billy lives into the playoffs. Huh? Wow. Ocho, we just hit 700,000 subs. I appreciate y'all. I don't even know 700,000 people. I don't even know 700,000 people, but I do now.

We just got to make sure. You tell your friends and family how good nightcap is. Not just with the sports breakdown, but you know we got these stories. We ain't even get to the stories tonight yet. Not yet. We ain't even get to the stories tonight. Philly limps into the playoffs, Ocho. Jalen Hurts, injured.

A.J. Brown, injured. I think Devontae Smith got injured. The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to start 10-1 or better and not reach 12 wins. A truly historic class. What was I talked about? And I asked this earlier. I tweeted it and I asked Eagles fans.

I said, what's wrong with me? Eagles. All the fans was pissed. They say, listen, Help me find an excuse That I can use tonight With Unk And they All the fans were like

Don't find no And don't get no Motherfucking excuse Tell the motherfucking truth Tell the truth They playing like shit Something ain't working They

And I had I saw all type of quotes And they They giving up The defensive play calling It's Matt Patricia I don't know what the fuck Sirianni ain't doing.

The offense is broken. I mean, I'm seeing all type of stuff. So I'm trying to understand. Obviously, last year, the D-line was crazy work. They was giving people crazy work. The pressures, the sacks. The NFL record with 72 sacks.

70, 70, 70-something sacks this year. I think they got, what, maybe 30-something, very, very low. They're damn near last statistically on defense in all areas and all phases. Damn near last. Not even in the middle. At least be in the middle somewhere. I think they 20-something and below and damn near everything.

Yep. So because the front line is not playing as good as they did last year. Now the back end is being exposed. So that's not playing well. You got injuries on top of that. Offensively, I don't know what the problem is. I don't know. I don't know what the problem is.

You got A.J. Brown. You got Devontae Smith. You got Swift. Dallas' daughter, Swift, a pro bowler. No, I don't understand. You start 10-1. Kelsey went to the Pro Bowl. Landon Donovan went to the Pro Bowl.

The big right tackle went to the Pro Bowl. Yeah. Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson. A.J. Brown's in the Pro Bowl. And then they go 10-1, right? I don't think they have a defensive player in the Pro Bowl. Last year, they had a few.

Yeah, last year they did have a few. But they go 10-1, right? And then you keep harping on and harping throughout the season, listening, they winning, but there are holes that I can see. And every week, you keep saying the same thing,

but the goddamn Eagles kept on winning. And then what would you do? Listen to me, Eagles fans. Everybody saw this. This is what I want you to write down, Ocho what I want you to write it down, Ocho. I want you to write it down. You never accept anything in a win.

You wouldn't in a loss. Yeah. Yeah. Now, see, when they was winning and I was trying to tell the Eagles, you a hater. You don't like Jalen Hurts. You're, hey, Eagles, what they say, Eagles, fly, Eagles, fly. I said, okay.

I said, okay. Fly, Eagles, fly. Oh, you a hater. You had it against us. You was wrong, yada,. I said, okay. I said, okay. Fly, Eagles, fly. Oh, you a hater. You had it against us. You was wrong, yada, yada, yada. Now, you were right. You were right. Your defense is not good.

And the problem is that you can't run the ball consistently like you did last year to keep them sorry rascals off the field. So now they're on the field more. So if you're not good, if your defense isn't good, you can't hide them. Because so what? They don't pressure the quarterback consistently. The back end is awful.

Awful. Slaves out. Bradbury, I've never really been in love with Bradburybury I don't know people Some people love him But when I watch him A lot of opening the gate A lot of missing

The secondary The linebackers are not Nothing to write home about They got Look I like I like Fletch But Fletch is a little long in the tube

Jalen Carter Needs to get in shape Jordan Davis Need to get in shape Yeah I like Fletch, but Fletch is a little long in the tube. Jalen Carter needs to get in shape. Jordan Davis needs to get in shape. Yeah. I like Hassan Reddick. That boy nice. You got rid of Montez. I just, I don't know, Ocho.

I don't know. I do know, but y'all ain't want to listen to me. I've been trying to tell y'all this. Trying to tell y'all. I mean, think of Ocho. You start 10-1. Right. y'all this. Try to tell y'all.

I mean, think of Ocho. You start 10-1. Right. 10-1 in the first time in NFL history a team has started 10-1 and better and not reached 12 wins. Yeah. So you got six

games. All you got to do is win two games. That's crazy. You go one and five. The Eagles defense is very good. Jalen Hurst says it's about weathering the storm. It's about not riding waves, never getting too high, never getting too low,

keeping the main thing the main thing. All you need is a crumb, an opportunity. It's simple win or go home. Nothing prior to this matters. Who do the Eagles play? Who do the Eagles got? Who do the Eagles got? They're the fifth seed. I'm going to the game.

They got Tampa. Tampa's the fourth seed. They got my dude Baker Mayfield, man. They got my dude Baker. They got Mike Evans. Mike Evans looking to eat. Hey. Big play Slade back.

He black next week? I don't know. He wasn't back today. AJ Brown okay? They didn't say. He hurt his knee. I think AJ Brown hurt his knee. That goddamn hip, that drop hip tackle, man. No, no.

You say they tackling. You say they tackling. You say lead that play in What did I say? I said As offensive players When you feel the pressure behind you Let your body go Let your body go

There's no need to fight that Stop trying to get all these extra yards Just to show you tough And just let your body go And live to see another down Live to see another down. Bet you a thousand dollars they take outlaw that tackle.

I mean, it's going to be impossible. I'm sure you can, just like they did the... What's the horse called? Yeah, yeah, they can, they can. But it's just, what you're going to do is, is you're going to see more people

getting more yards because now, depending on the angle you're at, you're going to be afraid to tackle. You're going to be afraid to reach out. I mean, look here. In order to save a touchdown, you're going to drop tackle. Just. You're going to be afraid to reach out. I mean, look here. In order to save a touchdown, you're going to drop tackle.

Just like in order to save a touchdown, guys, sports call. There are going to be more touchdowns being scored because you can't drop tackle based on the angle in which you're coming in. Call the flag. You don't get points for flag. You get points for touchdown.

So I ain't going to let you get no touchdown. So I'm going to drop tackle. I understand it's an outlaw tackle, So I ain't going to let you get no touchdowns. So I'm going to drop tackle. I understand it's an outlaw tackle, but I ain't giving him no touchdowns. It's just like the guy beat me off the line to get to the quarterback if I'm pass blocking. Oh, you're not going to get it. I'm going to tackle you.

Well, you know they're going to make you open up your purse then. They're going to make you open up your pocketbook. Oh, you're going to drop tackle anybody? Okay, here. Hold this 30. Let me get that 30,000 about you. Let me get that 30,000. Oh, you're going to do it again? Okay, me get that 30,000 about you. That's what... Let me get that 30,000. There ain't no touchdown. Oh, you're going to do it again?

Okay, let me get 50,000 about you. And the third time you do it, you know what? Hold this sick game suspension in since you don't want to listen. I ain't giving up no touchdown. So that ain't happening. All three black head coaches

led their team to the playoffs. Playoffs. Mike Tomlin, Todd Bowles, and Nico Ryan. Yeah. That's live. That's live. That don't mean nothing. You think the NFL going to hire more black coaches?

No. Do I think they are? Yes. I mean, statistically, how it's been throughout the years, you know how that goes. That's what I ask. I don't know how it goes. Do you think they're going to hire more?

Based on this stat, that all three black head coaches made the playoffs, do you think the NFL will hire more black coaches based on this stat? I mean, they may very well. They might.

But I just know those that are in position... You said based... See, now hold on. They might. But you said based on that are in position. You said based on, now hold on, they might, but you said based on statistically that wasn't where you was headed. Well, absolutely not. I mean, it's clear as day.

Maybe. No, it ain't clear as day. What about somebody just watching this, but what about somebody just subscribed? There's 700 to 1,000 a person. This is their first time. How do owners how do owners feel about how by hiring minority coaches how they always felt based on the opportunities that minority coaches are given normally it's a team that's shitty as hell one of the few times i've seen a uh a minority be hired as a coach and turn

around in his first year there is goddamn dem'Amico Ryans over there in Houston. Most of the opportunities that we're given or in positions that are not good. But think about how many times D'Amico Ryans was passed up. He's been leading

the 49ers defense. They've been good. For a minute. Yeah, most definitely. Listen, it's hard for us to get those jobs. You know that. And I'm sure people in the chat, if you don't know, it's very,'s hard for us to get those jobs. You know that. You know that. And I'm sure people in the chat, if you don't know,

it's very, very difficult for us to get those jobs, especially in positions like that where you're leaders of men. They give you a job. What did they send Tony Dungy to at first? Tampa. Right. Yeah. You know what makes it easy for you, too?

The team you get. Yeah. The team you get. Only Mike Tomlin inherited a team. He went to Pittsburgh. Coach Cowell left the cover to stop. He had them boys, boy. He had them boys. Coach Cowell

left it well. But you normally get Herman when you go to the Jets. Yeah. See? See? You know, UAA. Man, I'm not... I don't even want to open up them can of worms. It's going to be interesting

if Steve Wilks gets an opportunity. Hell, he should have been in Carolina anyway. Mm-hmm. Mm. That's crazy. But again... It's going to be interesting.

It's going to be... Ocho, it's going to be very, very interesting to see because you see Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season. Yeah. Somehow, given what he had to go through, three different quarterbacks, you know,

Kenny Pickett, Mitchell Trubisky, back to Pickett. Mason Rudolph. Now it's Mason Rudolph in the beginning. It's going to be, now here's the thing, TJ Watts is probably going to miss this game with that knee injury. You think so?

Yeah. Nobody's told us, nobody's told us yet, or there haven't been any reports on how serious it is. If anything, I'm hoping it's a grade one MCL. I think JJ posted something. Didn't JJ Watt post something about said it's going to be okay for grade two? He said grade two?

Grade two, probably some rest and what he said, rest and you'll be okay? You know, he tweeted it. There's a little special remedy out there for that too now, you know, he tweeted it. You know, there's a little special remedy out there for that too.

Now, you know, no, ain't nobody look going. He ain't let nobody pee on his knee. No, I ain't talking about that. That's for ankles.

It started with a T. I mean, you can take it, you can take it, you can take the pill, you can take the needle. Which one you want? Oh,

you're going to tour it all? Yeah. Which one you want? Huh? It's big time now. It's the playoff now. Which one, which, which one you want? Oh, you're going to tour it off? Yeah. Which one you want? Huh? It's big time now. It's the playoff now. Which one you want? We'll get you out there. JJ tweeted, best case scenario for TJ, grade 2

MCL sprain. Everything else looks pristine. A couple of weeks of rest and recovery. A couple of weeks? We ain't got weeks. We need you. Look, I'm talking about we, like I'm part of the Steelers. Nah. It ain't worth it. You saying no? It ain't got weeks. We need you. Look, I'm talking about we, like I'm part of the Steelers. Nah. It ain't worth it. You saying no? It ain't worth it. No.

Nah. That lower body, you don't be fooling with that lower body. Yeah, I know. You right. Especially the knee. You start getting them knees. You don't play with that. You right. You right. His explosiveness is everything for him.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, we'll see what happens. We'll see. Who the Steelers got to play again? Oh, the Bills. The Steelers play Buffalo. They go to Buffalo.

Hey, what if the Steelers mess around and beat the Bills? It's going to be tough without TJ All right Defense playing okay now They're playing okay Defense playing okay Did Hendrickson take the lead? Because I saw him earlier

I don't know I know he had 17 He would have had to take the lead He would have had to get three today Or the tie I saw him get one Okay, so he got 18 then Okay I don't know. I know he has 17. He would have had to get three today. Or the tie, he would have had to get two. I saw him get one. He got 18 then.

I know he has at least 18. It'd be interesting to see. Did Henderson... How many sacks did Henderson have? As you're looking it up right now. Congratulations, Mike Tomlin, Tom Bowles, D'Amico Ryan, Blackhead coaches.

Now, I'm sure somebody's going to ask me, man, y'all not going to say anything about Mike McDaniel because he's... 17 and a half? 17 and a half. Oh, you got half a sec. Damn, man. Mike McDaniel identifies as a minority.

I mean... He does? I don't know much about Mike's background. I like him as a coach. Yeah. Well, he was in Washington. Yeah. All those guys on Mike's staff, was Mike the head coach in Washington?

Mike LaFleur, Mike McDaniels, Sean McVay. Yeah. All those guys were there. That was really dope. And then when Kyle went to 49ers, a lot of them went with Kyle. Right. Mike got let go. That's one thing now. Them Shanahan's, they loyal now.

You look at Kyle's staff. Yeah. You look at Mike McDaniel's staff. Right. A lot of those guys were with Mike when he was in San Fran, and he brought them with him. Right. And Kyle, some of those guys were with Mike when he was in San Fran, and he brought them with him. And Kyle, some of those guys in Atlanta, hey,

Bobby Turner was the running back coach when Mike first got to Denver. Everywhere Mike went, Bobby T went winning. When Mike went to Washington, Bobby T went. When Kyle got the job in San Fran, Bobby T right there. You see how the coaches stick together? You see what I'm saying? Yes, sir. You see how if I'm going somewhere, if I got a job, you're going to always have a job?

Always. Now, think about this. Now, that same mentality in other areas and other respective crafts of people's jobs that they do, you see how the comedians going at it back and forth with each other. I know I'm off topic a little bit. I know we're talking about football. You see how they're picking each other up no matter what.

No matter where I go, I'm taking you to a tree. I'm going to make sure you have a job. Now, what if my comedians is going at it back and forth and taking shots at each other? Now, what if they were the opposite way? Boy, I just got a gig. You can't steal my joke. Hey, listen. I got a gig. I'm bringing steal my joke. Hey, listen. You can't steal my joke and think you're going

to be on my tour with me. I'm bringing you with me. I ain't finna headline no tour and you stealing my ish and you think I'm bringing you on tour with me. Why would I do that? I just want to use that example.

I just want to use that example. I'm using it. I'm giving you an example. You just gave a great example of coaches that have been together for a long time and have ensured come hell or high water,

that those that they know or that do the same thing they do always had a fucking job. Why are they doing it, Ocho? Loyalty. No backstabbing. No lying. No talking behind my back. You see what you try to do?

You try to make a situation like, oh, no matter what, you think these coaches are going to take You try to make it a situation like, oh, no matter what, you think these coaches are going to take somebody that's been talking behind their back, that's been lying on them? You think they're going to hire them at another situation, Ocho?

Come on now, Ocho. So you mean to tell me I'm headlining a tour. You done stole my joke. You done talk ish about me and now you want me to put you on. Oh, Lord. I done stole your joke. Make that make sense.

Listen, I ain't know about all that. I'm just, I'm just. I just, but you say, okay, yes. Yes, I get it. Ouch. I hit my elbow, man. Hold on. But you also, Ojo, but you also have to understand that when you go with a coach, when you go,

when you bring him, he the lead dog. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. I understand.

I just hate, I just hate the bickering, but back to the coaches, man. Just back to the staff. But that was crazy that they've always done that. Or just knowing if you are a coach and you have that knit family

you always gonna have a job yeah but i just don't like the part you gotta uproot you gotta uproot your family and you gotta move you know i hate that part that got to be it's like the military you already know you're gonna move a lot yeah unless you're in a great situation you're going to move a lot. It's like being a Methodist preacher. You're going to move a lot. Unless you're in a great situation with a great team. Yes. So you're not very fortunate. How many people are fortunate enough to be like Mike Tomlin and you know your family been

in one place for 17 years? That doesn't happen like that. But you got to think about it. Mike Tomlin was in Tampa at first. He was in Minnesota next. And then he went to Pittsburgh. So see, it wasn't like he started there. Right, you're right. Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick was with the Giants.

And then he went to Cleveland. And then he went to the Jazz. I mean, he went to New England. Then he went to the Jazz. Then he went to Patriots. So this notion that you start one place and stay there, that's just not true. So you're moving at least

at bare minimum two, three times before you're able to get somewhere stationary and stay for an extended period of time. It's just like the military. Oh, yeah, I grew up in there. No, you don't. You're here for two years. You're there for three, four years. Then you're somewhere else.

But you understand, Ocho, that's a part of it. You understand. The wife understands. You need to get somebody to understand it. It's going to be okay now, babe. We're going to move around.

Right. Babe, you know I am. I got fired today. You know, I got fired today. That's tough. That's tough, though. Yeah. That's tough.

It's a part. Especially when you got kids, you got a wife, you got to uproot, you got to uproot everything. What about the player that's not Ocho Cinco and Shannon Sharp and Tom Brady and Peyton Manning? What about those guys?

That's one year here, one year there, been on 75 teams, 16. What about those guys? Journeyman. Yes. Yeah, you right, you right. That's a tough business, boy. Yes.

That's a tough business. And it's like that in real world. There are a lot of people. Hey, everybody don Yes. That's a tough business. And it's like that in real world. There are a lot of people. Hey, everybody don't get to spend a 20-year career at Apple or Google or, you know, IBM, Salesforce, whatever the case may be. Damn. A lot of times you get a lot of, well, you know, hey, I got a new job. You was in Florida. Now you in Texas.

Now you in Ohio. Now you in Georgia. Now you in California. You in Oregon. you in Washington. It just probably, it just happens a little more frequently when you're dealing with pro sports. Of course, yeah. Because it's kind of like year to year.

But who knows? I mean, hey, it's not like sometimes in the regular world, you know, like, hey, man, I ain't feeling this job. Hey, I'm up out of there. I don't get to say, you know what, man, I ain't really feeling job. Hey, I'm up out of there. I don't get to say you know what? Man, I ain't really feeling this and I got two, three years left on my contract. Especially NFL. Now, you can do that in the NBA. Say I ain't having

somewhere, you know, you're a big time player. You can force a trade before more times than not, Ocho, you know, you sign a contract and you're stuck there. Right. Footage has emerged of Cat Williams claim that he can run a sub 44, 5, 40-yard dash. Now, he came on Club Shay Shay and said, you know, he can run, you know, he athletic.

He talk about he shoot hoop. So he play like 10 games a day in the yard. He say, you know, he box. He lift a little. He do push-ups and sit-ups and stuff like that. Yeah. And they had him on the basketball court, and he looked like he was moving pretty good.

He was moving pretty good. Man, that was no goddamn fo-fo. Come on, now. What kind of... Hey, stop playing, now. But if I... Hold on. How long is the side of a basketball court?

I don't think it's 40 yards. You don't think so? No, hell no. That's... You know, just looking at the video, that's a long way. That's a little ways, now. That's a little ways. I don't think so? No, hell no. Just looking at the video, that's a long way. That's a little ways, man. That's a little ways. I don't think that's no 40 yards. I know one thing, that wasn't no

goddamn 4-4. He ain't running that. I know that much. That ain't happening. It can't. Yeah, me and Kevin. Man, can't no cable. Kill him. Shit, man. Everybody still talking about that, Ocho. Yeah, that was a good one.

I mean, people... Listen, that's one for the record right there, man. Yeah, Ocho. That's one for the record. I'm talking about people that I would never, ever think would know anything about Club Shea Shea, know anything about no Kat Williams.

Right. I'm talking about white people in the airport. Yeah, yeah. I just want to say that interview with Cat Williams. Yeah. Man, I... They gave you the thumbs up? Yeah.

I'm like... I'll be the pilot. I'm talking about everyone. I'll be the pilot. I'm like, damn. Yeah. And my assistant was like, man, I didn't know. I'm like, hell, I didn't know either.

Nobody knew. Nobody knew. Oh, children, you do something like that. Look, like I said, I've been doing this now for three years. Cat Williams is my 102nd sit down. And I've had some viral moments. Steve Harvey's at 10 million views. You're about 6 million.

You're like 300, 400,000 from 6 million views. Coach Prime is the same thing. DC Young flies at 4 million. I mean, we had some breakout clips, but the differences between what Cat has done, Cat Williams' breakout clips, he got breakout clips, which is like seven minutes.

That's 6 million. Yeah. I mean, a million, five, two million, three million. I mean, nothing like this. I mean, I did not, I said, look, I was open for 10 to 15 million. I thought we can get 10 to 15 million i really did i honestly thought we could do 10 to 15 million with cat williams yeah but when that thing when i see 121 000 watching in a chat yeah yeah now you got the was like okay where can it go? Yeah. And then the first day,

you do five million? Yeah. You're like, hold on. The topics, the topics, the things that are being discussed, the things that are being talked about,

you know, it commands the ear. It attracts people. Oh, I want to hear what he has to say because we didn't know about it. Okay, he's exposing and letting the cat out the bag based on things that we didn't know about it. He's exposing and letting the cat out the bag

based on things that we didn't know about. He does because that's his world. You're not a part of that world. You don't run in those circles so you don't know those things. I don't run in those circles so I don't know those things. So I was part of the 120,000 and they got damn chapped because I want to know what's going on too because

I love comedy. I like to laugh. I think I'm funny. Hell shit. So I want to know what's going on too because I love comedy. I like to laugh. I think I'm funny. Hell shit. So I want to know what's going on in their world for those that are at the top of the food chain and what they do. And it was interesting. It was interesting. I ain't picking no sides because I know them all.

I enjoyed that thoroughly. I love people's truths. I love people's honesty. And the thing is, Ochocho Is about what Community is the one thing That we know And they do very well On my platform

DC Youngfly Ricky Smiley Sid Steve We had Jay Pharoah Right They all do extremely well Because they know how to entertain

And what they can do Is take true things And make them funny So he's telling you truth true things and make them funny. So he's telling you truth, but he's making them funny. He's making you laugh. And all the while, you're like, but he's telling the truth. Now, I don't, I mean, that's what the listeners, you know, some of the comments that I've read. Right, right.

But it's been, it's been, I don't think anybody thought this because I mean, he was on a, I think he was on Mike Tyson a year ago or something, but he doesn't do a whole lot of sit down. Yeah. And so that's why I was kind of, I was a little surprised though, Joe,

when he like, when it was like confirmed, okay, cats coming in. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, CJ,

you sure? So I'm like, man, let me get her. I want to get here early. Right. Hey, he showed up early hit the dough talking ish wait ready he ready so i'm like hey you know i'm doing my right right right right for a while hold a while because you know he's steady he's steady talking

he's steady talking so i'm you know, hey, you drink? He's like, yeah. I heard about your Kanye. He's telling me he heard about it. I'm going to see. I'm going to tell you now. If you don't want me, hey, don't give me. He told me, don't pour me none if it ain't good, because I'm going to say it.

I said, OK. I said, OK. Hey, I think it's good. But, hey, you be the judge. Right, right, right. And, man, Ocho, when he, like I said, we could have got another 15 minutes while he was standing there, while he

was, you know, doing this, hey, everybody, you know, how you doing? You know, y'all, you know, we asked him to do anything. He need water. I just need a microphone. Yeah. Just go, just go from there. You know, you, hey, Ocho, you can't see me, but y'all saw it.

You know, he had, you know, he doing this on his on his on his pants. He rubbed, you know, he doing this. That's OK. I said, OK. I said, OK. Let's go. George laughing because George was like, I look back, I look over to my red George shaking his head. I'm like, I'm shaking my head too. Everybody. And then the laughter that you could hear, like when he's saying stuff, they like, he for real, for real.

I mean, he being dead serious, but he making it so funny. Right. Because Ocho, he studied. He knew damn near every person that had been on Club Shea Shea. He could tell you a line of what they said, not on camera, but he could say what they said and make it funny. Yeah.

But the comedians, he knew everything they had said. I'm talking about damn near verbatim. Yeah. So it wasn't just no thing that, okay, I'm going to study you just so I can. No, talking about damn near verbatim. Yeah. So it wasn't just no thing that, okay, I'm going to study you just so I can. No, no, no, no, no, no. No. He like, we watch tape.

You know how we watch tape? Yeah. And we watch it. We get that tape. We get that film on late Tuesday, Wednesday. And we watch it Wednesday at practice and Wednesday at home. Thursday at practice and Thursday at home.

Friday at practice and Friday at home. And then we get it again Saturday home. And then we get it again Saturday morning and then we get it again Saturday night before we have the big meeting. Right. That's how he studied. He got to. In order to be in order to come on something

and have that kind of impact with what you're saying, you got to have all your I's dotted and all your T's crossed. And that's exactly what he did. And that's the reason it's gone the way it's gone because he was on point. And he's been holding that in for a little minute too now. Well, he said that's what he said.

That ain't just started. He's been holding that in for a long time waiting for the right opportunity to be able to get that off his goddamn chest. for a long time waiting for the right opportunity to be able to get that off his goddamn chest and having your platform where it is now, the timing was perfect. And that's why it's going the way it's going. Ocho, but if you look at it,

he hadn't posted anything since the pandemic. And he posted in three years? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. And so, that's why I was surprised when they say it's locked in. when TJ told me it's locked in right I'm like I say are you I'm like so because normally what we do is that when we have a guest on

we'll like send them a link right and ask them to post it oh we'll try and collab with them i mean the collab was him agreeing to sit down we haven't said we haven't we hadn't sent him any links i mean 32 million i mean yeah i mean even as it's slowing down ocho it's slowing down to do what we're doing instead of doing the eight the 10 million to 12 million that we did we're doing, instead of doing the eight, the 10 million, the 12 million that we did, we're doing four or five million. Still. That's tough, boy. Hey, you know who

you would have to talk to or you know the type of person you would have to get to even top that or even come close to that? And in order to top it, it would still have to be something controversial to get to that point. Yeah to top it it would still have to be something controversial to get to that point yeah I don't honestly

I can't even think you'd have to get Michael Jordan and he'd have to tell you why he left to get why he retired in 93 and why he left why he actually left in 98. And go into

details about things that he's never shared. That's the only way. Obama. Obama saying the decision this is what it's going to take somebody that's big and not necessarily

sometimes people think big automatically means views. It doesn't. It doesn't. Because the person has to be interesting as well. Interesting. And that's what the comedians can do. If you look at who really does well, it's comedians. Yeah.

But the thing is that it has to be an environment where you let them go. See, a lot of times I'm a conversationist, but let's just say for the sake of argument, I'm an interviewer. Right. I can't make it about me by constantly cutting him off. Right. Or her off. I got to let them talk. I got to let them get their point across. I've got to let them say because that's the only way. I got to make sure he holds that train of thought or she holds that train of thought. Me constantly interrupting,

then the audience is going to say, man, let him speak. Let him talk. And it messes up the rhythm. It messes up the rhythm and what they're talking about too. Yes, because the first 30 minutes, he unpacked so much in the first 30 minutes. It was almost like in the first 30 minutes it was almost like a little little comedy special in and of itself before i got to the point okay because at the end of the

day oh joe we still gotta have structure right i can't let it be a whole two hours and 46 minutes or just free flowing right we gotta get structure tell us where you're from why'd you move here to here why'd you do x y and z right why'd you do you know abc so we had to have some structure so while we let him go for 30 minutes i felt at that point in time it was time for me to get it back on the track right and and he was cool with that and then he's like it was like hey i got my in now. What you want to talk about? I like to talk about what you want to talk about. Okay. Let's talk about this.

And I thought he was like some of the stuff. I mean, when you like, if you notice, you listen to all my guests, the one thing that they always say, universal, you really prepared.

You done your homework because we have, you got to, you got to, you got to you got to you earned their respect they're like okay you prepared and they trust you safe place they trust you a man females if a man trusts you there's nothing that he wouldn't do. Women, men, if a woman trusts you, there's nothing she won't do. At all. Well, once that trust is broken. Yeah, boy.

Listen, if you on good terms with a woman. Yeah. And y'all might go y'all separate way. If somebody stepped to her that shouldn't have, she gonna tell you. And sometimes she won't depending on who it is.

And that tells you all you need to know. Huh? And it's one thing about, it's one thing about human. It ain't what they tell you, it's what they don't tell you. Yeah.

That's what's concerning you. And that's the issue and that's the problem out there. It's not what you see, it's what you didn't see. For sure. Sometimes you catch something, right? Sometimes you catch something

and you see it and you be like, well, damn, if I saw that a little bit, I wonder what happened that I didn't see. Well, but see, Ocho, you drive yourself crazy with that, though. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I don't do that now. I ain't got no problem with that. One thing about it, human error is inevitable.

Yeah. Human error is inevitable. And one thing that I've always been able to do is I'm very good at managing my expectations of those I'm dealing with, with great understanding that of human nature, an error is inevitable at some point.

Being perfect is damn near impossible. You can strive to be that, but mistakes are going to happen. It's going to happen. So what I've always done, I've always managed my expectations of getting everybody.

Man, a mistake is leaving your phone in the rental car. I mean, have you? Or leaving your computer on the airplane. That, a mistake is leaving your phone in the rental car. Or leaving your computer on the airplane. That's a mistake. Have you wanted to fall into some hoo-ha? Somebody fall into you. You over your leg for another man ain't no mistake.

You leave what you doing? I'm just asking. You leave it? If you were the woman and she sleeps with somebody else, you leave it? I'm just asking. You leaving? I'm leaving where? If you were the woman and she's sleeping with somebody else, you leaving? How long we been at this thing, Ocho? What you mean? Because the longer you been at it, the harder it is to leave.

Yeah, yeah. Especially if you love her. I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right. It's all right. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm with you when you're right. Did you hear? Man There are. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm with you when you're right. Did you hear?

Managing expectations. Yeah. I think that's one of the things why we hurt so much when someone does something that we don't expect. Or when someone does something that is, oh, I thought you loved me. You know? They do. Yeah. listen. But I can still love you

and do this and that because there's really no feelings towards or in what it is what I'm doing. I'm trying to keep it clean. I'm trying to keep it PG because I know we got my kids watching, you know? But I just still think to this fact through experience throughout my years.

Yeah, for sure. You know, throughout my years. Chad, y'all stay with me. Stay with me now. You just... Stay with me now. Things can happen and you can love someone

and still mess up, I think, at times. It happens. You know? I'm just saying. I'm not saying I'm... But here's the thing, Ocho. You can't ask more than you're willing to give. Yeah.

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Come here, baby. Come here. Come say hi to her. Nah, you don't look at me. Come here now. Come on. Don't do me like that. Come here now. Because sometimes people say I'm always talking about hey, real, and you ain't really here. No, come here, baby. Come on. Real quick. Real quick do me like that. Come here now. Because sometimes people say I'm older than my hey, Rell, and you ain't really here. No, come here, baby. Come on. Real quick. Real quick. You look good. You look good. Don't do me like that. Come on.

Just sit here. Sit here real quick. Oh, you got. Damn, you look good, too. Hey. Hey, Rell. Yeah. Yeah, that's my baby right there, boy. Yeah, but my thing is, though, Joe, you can't ask more than you're willing to give. Yeah, you're right.

If you do something, if you ask her to, you can't be wrong. Oh. Because sometimes I think as a man, it's so one-sided. Oh, yeah.

We always ask for forgiveness and leniency. But if the shoe's on the other foot... Oh, it's a double standard, boy. Yeah. It's a double standard. You know, fellas don't play that.

But if you move funny that way you got to go I think for us as men you can't recover from that you can't recover from if she goes out and does x, y, and z or does some of the things that you've done oh now you're up in arms

she did you to you oh now it's a problem oh now it's a problem but Oh, now it's a problem. But see, Ocho, but here's the thing. Here's the thing, Ocho. You see, when you date in private, you can break up in private. If something like that happens, you can deal with it in private. Right. But if you date publicly, you got to break up publicly.

Yeah. And you have to deal with the infidelity on one side or the other publicly. Right. Right. Yeah. Robert Smith said, I think it's time for the Jags to cut Baywood Lawrence. I like the Eagles did for wins. Get it all before people realize who he is.

He's just Daniel Jones. If Jones was the first overall pick. Did he say cut Trevor Lawrence? Yeah. That's what he said. He tripping. Now, Trevor Lawrence did not play well today. Yeah, he didn't play well today. He didn't play well today, but he's been playing got some damn good football throughout the year.

But you talking about cutting Trevor Lawrence because of today's game? Come on now. I think the thing that hurt so much for a Jags fan, you were 8-3, and then once they got to 8-3, the Jaguars sent out a text, I mean a tweet, purchasing playoff tickets. Playoff tickets.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You never count. Never count your chickens before they hatch. Ocho. I mean, sometimes, look here, I don't let my chickens hatch. I smash the eggs. I don't want to take them out.

That's what I do for mine, Ocho. But, Ocho, but you know what happened? for mine, Ocho. But you see. But Ocho, but you know what happened? You know when you gambling and you burned him and you touched the money? Yeah. And you're like, hold on, bro. Hold on, bro. Let me put my cards down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't touch that. Don't burn the money. Don't do that. Don't burn the money, Ocho. It's over now. You might as well just go ahead and name. Man, go ahead and touch it. I'll take it.

I don't even want it. No, I don't think that. I think Trevor Lawrence is a good quarterback. Yeah. He's a franchise quarterback think that. I think Trevor Lawrence is a good quarterback. Yeah. He's a franchise quarterback at that. And he just, shit. Talk about cut Trevor Lawrence.

Justin failed to donate it and said, hey, hoping you guys give my daughter Riley and me, Justin, a birthday shout out. Our birthday is on January 8th and she's turning two. She's the best birthday present

I've ever received. Thanks in advance. Huge fan of you and big Ocho. Justin, happy birthday to you and Riley. Your birthday is tomorrow, January the 8th. Congratulations. She's turning two. Happy, happy birthday, Riley.

Happy birthday, Justin. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. And I mean, y'all Capricorns, Capricorn, your birthday is on the 8th. I'm on the 9th. I'm going to be 56. So I'm excited. I'm happy.

I can't wait. I can't wait until today. You know what's funny? I got a fly. I'm flying on my birthday, man. Flying on your birthday? Yeah, I leave them all in the morning. Were you about to shake the covers the night before?

With who? Ryle! Oh, no. What do you mean, who? You mean, who? Nah, I'm on my... Man, you about to get slapped in your mouth. Nah, I'm on my cycle.

Hey, let's edit this out. Hey, you better shake the covers before you do it. Not after this. I'm on my cycle. I can't do nothing. Ah! Hey, listen. Before I go to work,

one thing I don't do. Before I leave, I leave. Every Monday, you know I got to fly to Philly. I got to do inside the NFL in Jersey. I never, ever, never, ever partake in horizontal activity before I get on the plane to go to work because I need...

You crazy. I need my mind clear. I need my mind clear so I can focus and know what I'm going to talk about. What about, let me ask you a question. Before rail go out, she going out with the girl.

You just let her go? Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, I ain't got time for that. Oh, no, absolutely not. Yeah, I ain't got time for that. You better not, hey, what you think about this here?

I think it look good. It's going to be on the floor quickly. Yes, sir. You're going to be on the floor real quick. That's rude. That's rude. It ain't rude. Nah, we got to skip. I ain't going to mess her hair up. It ain't rude Nah we got to sketch

I ain't gonna mess her hair up I ain't gonna mess her hair up I'm gonna turn the air on down I'm gonna turn the fans on So it's not about 60 degrees Right But oh yes sir Yeah

Nah we can't I don't operate like that So I do it all up in your face You all in her face You don't know what she did Before she got there I'm like that for sure Nah we strict over here little face. You don't know what she did before she got there. I'm like that for sure.

We strict over here. We have a schedule. It's on the refrigerator. Our schedule? We stick by that schedule. I woke up. That's the schedule. Get it in you. It's different over here. We got kids, man. We got lots. There's a lot of moving parts over here, so we

can't really just be as fun and free as we got a lot. So we it's a lot of moving parts over here. So we can't really just be as fun and free as we'd like to. Hey, it's skin 30 for me. Anytime I see skin it's on. Skin 30 Ocho. Skin 30. You know what? I'm going to take

your advice tonight then. I don't care. Who tell it? I don't see. Yeah, you're going to rail. Uh-huh. That rail don't put it in bed. That's what I do it. I do it, Ocho. Hey. Hey, she drunk. She ain't drunk.

She drunk. She ain't drunk. If Dallas go through the 49ers, if Juan Cardoza said, if Dallas go through the 49ers but don't win the Super Bowl, is that getting paid again? Yes, he's getting paid no matter what.

And the chain costs more. And who chain costs more? Yours or Ocho? I don't know. There's a little something right here. Hey, you know how I am when I spend no money. He's one of the few pieces I do own. I'm a little Cuban.

If you in the chat, are you from Miami? That's the only way they understand this. I would give me one like Busta got. Busta Rhymes, you see that big one Busta got? Busta could pull a car with that one. That's too much. This is my Cuban link, right? This is from Miss B.

If you know about Miss B and Liberty Market, I got this from Miss B years ago. LaChain embraces from Ms. B. You know, gold don't lose no value. Yeah, gold don't lose no value. It's one of the few things that I purchased that is real. Yeah, I like this.

I like this. I normally wear this with my dickies. I normally wear this when I wear my dickies and stuff, but I just put it on tonight because the baby party was the day. Oh, was it? Yeah, the baby party was the day. Oh, was it? Yeah, the baby party was the day.

She turned, how old, she's one? Two. Two? Yeah, she talking. She talking, too. Hey, I tell you what else don't lose value. What?

Oh, hey, whoever invested in Austin, the price is going up. Yeah. Hey, yesterday's price ain't today's price. Ain't today's price. I like it.

Laney Ray. Hey, guys. Congratulations on 700K. Ocho said his stripper name was Twig. Yeah. Shannon, if you had a stripper name, if you were a stripper back in the day, what would your stripper name be? That's a good one.

That's a good one. They're going to call me Black Diamond because I'll be shining. Okay, I like that. Black Diamond. Okay. Coming to stage one. Hey, boy. Hey, listen.

Them days when I used to dance to the right track was crazy, man. And now it was crazy. Greatest day. Listen, it's all about survival, man. Where I come from, it's about survival. So you do the things necessary. We need to survive as long as it doesn't put you six feet under or don't have you behind bars.

And I did what I had to do. And dancing in 1997, it built character. It built character for me and not being shy. It helped me learn to speak in public because obviously, you know, being in the nude in front of women, it helped me be able to speak in front of large crowds. And it just made me different. It made me different. And I got a better understanding as well. Always, as a dancer, the women, the women of size, the women of health, the big bones, they tip good. They tip good.

Because I'm 20, 19, 20 years old and making goddamn $2,500 a night on a weekend. That's a lot of money, boy. a night on a weekend, that's a lot of money, boy. But the thing is, but everybody, look, everybody, the thing what women need to understand,

everybody ain't fun size. Right. So they be, you know what I'm saying, don't you? Yeah. I mean, come on now, I understand I'm a fairly large man.

I'm about 245, 250. Right, right, right. I'm fairly strong. But now, I mean, to try to hold a woman that's 180, 200 like this here, come on now, come on, baby, work, right. I'm fairly strong. But now, I mean, to try to hold a woman that's 180, 200 like this here. Come on now. Come on, baby.

Work with me. Right, right, right, right. The dress or the table. I mean, to hold you, I don't drop you. But I got to brace myself so I don't throw my back out. Right, right. And then don't drop you. Come on now.

Work with your man. I understand that look good. But you ain't 5'2", 120. They got to understand. They're limits. Oh, he had me up on the wash and dry. I was in the kitchen. He was walking all around.

What? Where? I can barely hold your hand. You think I to hold you up Come on now Come on work with me Work with me now Hey Hell nah

Hey that's a good one Hey Faye said Faye said my name If I was a stripper Would be Blue Diamond Phillips Hey that's a good one Blue Diamond Phillips Man y' that's a good one. Blue Diamond Phillips.

Man, y'all need to stop with that, Ocho. Uncurture Jason, Uncurture Ocho, who could cook a better breakfast between you two? Ocho, I ain't gonna lie. You look like the type

that turn on the oven light if someone tells you to preheat the oven. Ocho, I already know you can't cook. Who can't cook? Ocho Cinco Johnson. Can I ask you a question?

You sure can. You know me. I do. The people know me. The world knows me. If I don't spend no money, if I don't spend no money, how you think I got the woman?

How you think I got my woman? Spend money on her? No. Through her stomach. Through her stomach. Through her stomach. I be cooking. I went to Le Cordon Bleu out here in Miami. I went to culinary art school.

That's how you get your woman. You cook, you get your woman through her stomach, not through your pockets. That's why she here. I kept her fed. You ain't got no meat like that there, Ocho. Huh? You ain't talking about eating all your stomach. I don't know what you talking about.

I kept her fed. I'm telling you, I can cook breakfast, lunch, dinner. I mean, what we talking about? What I think, when you talk about you, okay. I'm going to take your word for it, Ocho. Yeah, that's what I do. That what you do? Yeah. Look, I'm going to take your word for it, Ocho. Yeah, that's what I do. That what you do? Yeah. Look, I'm only a breakfast guy.

So, you know, French toast, you know, stuff like that. French toast? That's it. That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. So you're talking about cooking for you, like for you. No, I'm saying things that I can cook. French toast, pancakes, I can make breakfast food.

Grits, stuff like that. I can make breakfast food. Grits, stuff like that. I can make breakfast food. I make everything. I ain't finna tell nobody. I ain't finna tell no woman lie to some woman and say, oh, I can cook an oxtail

or I can kick neck bones or collard greens. I can't do all that. Ain't no sense in me lying. But I can hire somebody that can. Oh, see? I ain't trying to spend no money. I ain't trying to spend no money. I ain't trying to spend no money.

I'm cooking for me. That's what I went to school for. You go to school, you learn different types of trades so you don't have to pay nobody else to do it. And that's what I did. Handyman. Listen, not only that,

around the house, I do everything. We got sofas. I built the sofas. We got sofas. I built the sofas. We got futons. I built the futons. You come to my house, you better stand the whole while. Don't sit on them sofas.

What happened? What happened? What didn't happen? You said I never even want you. I didn't say it. If I was you, I would stand with my hands in my pocket. I just said if I was you I would stand with my hands in my pocket I just said

you know Joe that's what I just said come on man hey that's on you you want to sit down have a seat hey

have a seat where should I sit wherever you tell me I should sit I'm sitting in the opposite place man You want to sit down and have a seat? Have a seat. Where should I sit? Wherever you tell me I should sit, I'm sitting in the opposite place. Man, come on, man. You shot out. What's the funniest story you ever told a girl to go out on a date with you? Funniest story I ever told a girl to go out on a date with me.

Funniest story. You know what I don't have a I don't have a funny story but to eliminate rejection and to eliminate her having the ability to say no I can tell you what I did

to make sure she wasn't able to say no well you put some you put some in her pocket no so if I saw a young lady

that I was I was interested in and obviously and I don't I don't use it oh I'm old I ain't like lady that I was interested in. And obviously, I don't use it. Oh, I'm old. I ain't like that. So I approach respectful manner. I'm playing around and I got a phone in my hand.

And I walk up and acting like, you know what, miss? I'm sorry to bother you, but my phone really, it just died real quick. And I just want to make a quick call. It's nothing important. I want to call my grandma. I always say someone important so there's really no there's no uh inclination to be like hell no I'm using my phone I'll say my mama I got I want to call my grandma real quick boom and if she let me they always always go for it because it I look like it's something wrong

like it's really something wrong and I got to make the call boom I sit there call, call my phone and wait, it's already back in my pocket and wait good to the number, wait good to the ring I feel the vibration you know what I really appreciate that, thank you wait about five minutes and text and then text you already got it so it eliminates the part

of rejection and you got to go give me your bogus number that too the part of rejection. Right. Or them giving you a bogus number. You can't, yeah. No, that too. That's what I'm saying. You don't have to worry about them

because you say, okay, they can have your number. That wouldn't happen though. That wouldn't happen. But I just, to break the ice and then now, now you passed stage one.

Now you're on stage two. Right. Now the text message. You know what? I ain't really feel like dealing with any rejection or any indecisiveness. But now that I do have your number, we are going to dinner. Man. I'm not even.

No, you're not listening. I'm not asking. I'm saying in the first text message. We going to dinner. We going to dinner. Why did you do that? And I just like that. I'm saying in the first text message. We going to dinner. We going to dinner. Why didn't you just have... And I just like that. I've done that before.

Why didn't you just say that? Why didn't you say that? I would love to take you to dinner. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Because I don't like playing that game. When you first meet somebody, I don't like playing that game. They're just indecisive.

They overthink it. She should have blocked you. She said you were weirdo. Block. Nope. Straight to dinner. Hey, it was less than 24 hours. We was out.

We was out deep. Oh, yeah. It don't take long. Well, you know me. I've been somewhat serious, but I kind of been silly a while. So I was in Colorado, and this pilot had to be like 90s.

So I saw this chick and... I bet she had short hair. She had short hair. How you know? I can tell. I just know. Since you said 90s, I was like, you know what? I bet she had a short hair. She had that thing cropped. But she was, you know, she was Caucasian.

Right. But she was... When I say she was fat. Yeah. Lord have mercy. Yeah. You know me. Hey, I was like,

Hey, you know, I say, you know, you know, what's your name? She told me her name. Yeah.

She's a, I was like, damn, I sure want to, I say, I sure want to take you out. Yeah. She said,

she said, I've never been out with a black guy. I said, hell me either. Come on, let's go. Come on with it. I don't know. I I've never been out with a black guy. I said, hell, me either. Come on, let's go. Come on with it. I don't know. I ain't never been out with one either.

So that made you over. Come on. We both getting into something new. Hey, was she serious? She was lying? She was dead ass, yes. She said, I've never dated a black guy before. I said, hell, me either. Come on, let's go. Yeah. No. I mean, I've never dated a black guy before. I said, hell, me either. Come on, let go.

No. But I agree with you. I've been very hesitant because I hate saying no. I hate to introduce myself to somebody and to find out they married or they died. I was like, damn. And now I just like...

You got to pay attention to the finger. I mean, sometimes, sometimes they, you know, they might have been working out or they didn't have their ring on.

Okay, okay, okay. Or especially if they got a boyfriend, I was like, oh, shh. And then, you know... Oh, wait, you know... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me stop right there.

Let me stop right there. Ladies and fellas in the chat, don't let no boyfriend or girlfriend stop you from finding your husband or your wife. Don't do that. Okay, okay. Ladies and fellas in the chat, don't let no boyfriend,

we're talking about boyfriend, or girlfriend stop you from finding your husband or your wife. Just because there's a goalie in net doesn't mean you can't score. Just because there's a goalie in net doesn't mean you can't score. I don't know. Don't let no boyfriend or girlfriend

stop you from finding your goddamn wife. Now, this right here, this right here, that's off limits. You're off the market like Boston. Yeah. I mean, it. You're off the market. That's off limits. You're off the market like Boston. Yeah. I mean, but here's the thing, though. Just because you don't order don't mean you can't read the menu. I mean, you know,

sometimes they'll leave the menu there for you to order. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? They say, would you like me to test it? No, I'm still looking. Real real hit you upside your head. No, she's not. No, we good

because with the stuff I'm talking about, it's way before she even thought of me. It's way before she... This is all before she slid in my DM being thirsty.

No, she was thirsty. No. Boy, she was thirsty. I'm like, God damn, how many times you going to send... How many times

you going to send me a message? If I saw the first three and I didn't respond, why didn't you send the fourth one? Because then she waited, but then she all of a sudden, she looked at her cash app, and that thing was overflowing. Like a sink that's backed up, it was just overflowing. No, I ain't got to listen. I'm like, damn, little mama, just chill, chill, chill.

I get to you I get to you when I can that that's how that's I mean that's how it was and she was just she was all like you know I just wanted you know I wanted to meet you and I was just like I would vibe and I was like I'm like damn thirsty yeah you feel me uh Andre Resto said oh the cognac is on point Ocho can you say a prayer for my cousin, Lauren Bubba-Dawson? Ain't nothing wrong with him. He's just an Eagles fan. Hey, my Eagles going to be all right, man.

My Eagles going to be all right. They going to, first round of playoffs, they finna win the game. Winning cures all. Winning cures all. Winning cures all. They got to come out and win. They can't, they can't, they can't, they got to. Winning cures all. Dear Uncle Nocho, do athletes have the same fear of returning home after success as rappers due to violence?

With the occurrence of such, Young Dolphs and PNB Rocks, death happening consistently. Did you fear going back to Liberty City? Nah, not at all. I mean, obviously where I'm from, I think the times are different, the eras are different. Yeah, true. Now, you got to think,

when I was coming up in Liberty City, those fellas that was moving like that, you know, there was a huge amount of respect for me even then before I made it. And that huge amount of respect was still there once I left. When I was younger and coming up, me trying to be cool and do what they doing. And man, if you don't get your way, I told you, I told you this story before. Man, if you don't get your way from around here, man, this ain't what you do. You ain't even living like that.

As opposed to in today's society. Or it's more like, oh yeah, come on. Oh, come on. Hey, man, look who hanged up. I'm hanging with such and such. Nah, they would never let that happen. What them boys ain't play that back then, man? Boy, you play football, man. Count your ass on. Right. And still to this day, and when I made it, it was more out of love when I come

home. Yeah, it wasn't like that. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, my homeboys, they was always like, hey, you know, I go down there, I pull up, you know, we talk to them. Hey, Sharp, I'm about to make this move, man.

I get at you. Yeah, you got to go. I mean, hey, go head on. And if I see them, I was somewhere,

I said, hey, man, I'm heading back. I'm heading back to town. You know, y'all need a ride. I said,

nah, Sharp, you know what I got on me, man. The last thing I want, you get pulled over. They see me in your car, they're going to pull you over.

You're going to be the headline. Bruh, you put Glenville, you got, you and your brother got Glennville on the map. They looked out for me. So they were, my homies were never going to put me in harm's way.

But I had the utmost respect. It wasn't like, okay, now I'm this. I grew up with them. The only thing that changed, I was able to, I was in the NFL, but I'm still my homeboy. Because a lot of times when I had to come back, they're like, hey man, tell him I play. Hey, sharp. in the NFL, but I still, I'm still my homeboy. Right. Because a lot of times when I had to come back,

they're like, hey man, tell him I play, hey Sharp, tell him I play ball with you. Tell him I was good. I'm like, man,

you all right, man, come on Sharp. Right. You know, so it was, it was always like that. I never looked down on him

because all of a sudden I was in the NFL. Yeah. Or I had a nice car, but I, but I, we always, I always treat him the same.

Listen, I, I treat those, those, those dudes, you know, during that era. Obviously, if you know about Liberty City during that time, obviously people in the chat and people that were probably here, they wouldn't be fond of it. But it was my surroundings. It's the people that I grew up with. The things that they did, obviously you wouldn't like. And you would obviously say, well, why do you condone? Why do you? I'm not condoning the things that they did, but it wouldn't like and you would obviously say well why do you condone?

I'm not condoning the things that they did but it was all I knew at the time. Those are the people I grew up with. I didn't do the things they did and it is what it is. So I always considered myself I left Liberty City without really

leaving, if that makes sense. You get where I'm going? So when I made it to the NFL, I was still a representation of where I was from. And I was still me. Mouthful of goals, the shit talking, the having fun, the playing the game like a little kid. And it was cool. And I think they enjoyed that, the fact that I never did change. And I'm not saying I did it for them, just the fact that i refused to change and i just stayed true to my authentic self and it was always love and

still to this day yeah still to this day well that's how it is uh because even when i left they still looked at everybody looked at they knew my sister they knew my grandmother they looked after my sister they looked after my grandmother because that's the kind of respect that they had for me and my brother right that's the kind of respect that they had for me and my brother. Right. That's the kind of, you know, the way we carried ourselves. We never carried ourselves that we thought we were better

than anybody else. But I knew that it wasn't about me and my brother because my sister, my grandmother was still there. Yeah. And they know a lot of times my grandmother was home by herself.

But knock on wood, they would have never disrespected me and my brother like that. Yeah. And did something to my granny or my sister. So I take my hat off to them because they looked after them because when we were away. Yeah. But, you know, we come home, you know, we have, you know, I have a cookout, invite everybody over.

Hey, don't bring nothing but your appetite. Yeah. You know, crab legs, jumbo prawns, you know, hamburger steaks, hot dogs, all the liquor, you name a liquor, I had it. Budweiser, back the truck up, beer, Coors Light. Coors Light gave me all the beer that I wanted, and we just sit and have a good

time. Okay, great. They were always very respectful of me and my brother and realized that what we were able to do and you know put glenville on the map and the way we conducted ourselves while you know but they looked out after my sister my grandmother yeah and you think about it too you know when you're young especially during that time as a little kid growing up you

know you want to especially where i'm from in that area from, in that area, it's only two ways to go. I wasn't going to be no goddamn academic scholar. We know that. I'm just saying. I got young fellas, man, 14, 14, 15 years old, riding around in goddamn Chevys out in the streets, you know, getting money and doing whatever it is necessary. And when you see that as a youngster, what's the first thing you want to do? You want to do the same thing you're doing because that'sster what's the first thing you want to do you want to do the same thing you're doing because that's what everybody's doing based on based on where you from

but the fact that they them the fact that they wouldn't allow me to do that all the way back then because understanding that that's not my lane that's not what i do yeah that's not you and i was and i was and i was able to make it dude, and I still talk to these dudes to this day. Obviously, let me see, two of them, two, you know, the head honchos, you know, they locked up, but they were able to get to me, you know, over the phone

and just to be able to, we talk about them old time, man, on Hadley Park back in the days. But I would have some good days, man. Some good days. DeJuan Dominique said, as an entrepreneur, Shanna, I need to ask you,

why did you sign with the volume? Colin's a cool guy, but I feel like you shouldn't have split. You shouldn't have to split anything with anyone, anybody. You build it. Give us insight. Well, here's the thing.

Because what transpired at Fox happened so unexpectedly, I didn't have the infrastructure or the know-how of what I was doing because Fox was doing everything. I was just shooting the content and then we were splitting it. And so I probably should have been thinking, but that's on me because I wasn't thinking far enough ahead because I'm thinking everything's going to be gravy for the foreseeable future. Obviously, that wasn't the case. So at the time that it happened, I really didn't have a whole lot of options because I didn't have the infrastructure and I didn't have the know-how to do what I needed to do.

Now, you ask me this next year, we might have a different conversation. You ask me about this in two years, we might have a different conversation. me about this in two years. We might have a different conversation. But being with Colin, having an opportunity to talk to Colin, knowing Colin a little bit from working at the same company, his desk, a little

studio was right across from ours and we didn't converse much. But Colin's always been a big supporter. Because even when I was flying my own self out to be on Colin's show, he would always ask, you know, what does he want to talk about? And I would just say, you know, I want to talk about whatever you want to talk about. Football, basketball, it doesn't matter the

topic. I just want to talk. I just want to get on television so people can see me talk about something other than football. So if you want to talk about basketball, let's talk about basketball. You want to talk about life, let's talk about life. But I just wanted to see people, let people see that I can talk about something other than football. So he's always been a big proponent of mine. And he was one of the main ones like you guys need to hire that guy. He's a star. And so it just meant a lot to me that he thought enough of me that I could, I could do what I did because there are a lot.

Hold on. Y'all say why I decided with the volume. There were others. I don't need to get into it, that didn't want to do it. Because what Colin said, Colin says, I want to partner with you. I don't want you to come up under me.

Everybody else says, well, you come up under us and do X, Y, and Z. No, Colin says, I want to be a partner. I want you to be a partner. Okay, let's do this. So it's been great. Hopefully he's benefited. I know I've benefited. We've learned a partner. Okay, let's do this. So it's been great. Hopefully he's benefited. I know I've benefited.

We've learned a lot along the way. And I think it's been beneficial for both of us. Casey said, Hey, Uncle Nocho, how do you figure out what drives you in life and how do you keep that flame from going out?

Love the show. How wise you both are. It's easy to see where my flame ain't going out and what continues to drive me. I got miles to feed. Forget the bills. I got tuitions to pay.

You got to remember, I got a son at Arizona State. I have a daughter at Prairie View A&M. I have a daughter at University of Kentucky. I have a son at Arizona State University. Shit, they go to flame right there.

They go to flame. I ain't got time for the flame to go out, mama. Oh, I ain't even finished. Let me start with the angels. Two-year-old. Two-year-old, I got french fry. Huh? Yeah.

Baby Kennedy. Baby Kennedy has a sister as well. Cha-cha. My son, 14. Bertie was on a 7. Man, shit. What keep me going? There you go right there.

It's simple. Yeah, I think that's the same thing for me. My desire to be great in anything that I do. That too. Why waste my time if I can't be great at it, if I can't be the best at it? Not saying that I'm going to be the best, but I'm damn sure going to try.

Yeah. And I'm going to use every ounce. Look, are there more people that someone might be more talented than me and someone that can create more better content than me? That's something that I can't control. One thing that I can't control

is my work ethic. Nobody's going to outwork me. So what I lack in creativity, what I may lack in smarts and know-how, I more than make up for it in work. Right. And I'm going to have people that surround me that's going to work.

Right. And I don't want to say, don't tell me it can't be done. Just say, well, Shannon, I haven't done it yet. Right. Or we haven't done it yet. Or't tell me it can't be done. Just say, well, Shannon, I haven't done it yet. Right. Or we haven't done it yet. Or at least try it. Yes, yes.

So my motivation is to be great at what I do, to work as hard as I possibly can, to know my grandmother and grandfather looking down, and they're very proud, to make my sister proud, to make my mom proud, my brother, my kids, people that, Glenville, everything that I do, I'm a representative of Glenville, Georgia. I'm a representative of Savannah State. I want people to look at somebody from an HBCU and say, you know what?

He might have didn't have, but he might have didn't have the best of everything, but he made the most of everything that I had. And so, look, and that's what the difference is you know somebody might have went to harvard or yale or nyu or i went to an hbcu right but you won't outwork me because i already know i had it stacked against me from the jump. Yeah, from the beginning. I made it to 55. I made it to 55. So you mean to tell me I don't think I can accomplish

anything I put my mind to? I made it to 55. My dad was 39. He had two brothers that didn't make it to 50. So I already beat it. Man, I lived almost, I lived 16 years longer than my dad. 16. man I lived almost I lived 16 years longer than my dad 16 bro

I can accomplish anything that's how that's how I approach it now do I sometimes lose myself in the outside world and forget that there's other things

other than work absolutely absolutely and my sister tell me all the time you got to have balance you got to have balance cause all work I don't believe there's a balance to greatness I don't believe there's a balance to greatness

you can't do that though you can't consume yourself you can't consume you got to have some type of balance I think that's I think that's where we're going to have to work that's what we got to work on with you we got to work on finding some balance in 2024 because if you don't have balance and we're going to have to work. That's what we got to work on with you. We got to work on finding some balance in 2024. Because if you don't have balance

and you're trying to always achieve greatness, then you're going to lack in other areas of life as well. That's okay. Okay. Well, who's going to push you when you're 80 then? Who's going to push your wheelchair? That body, you know, because that thing still going to work.

That boy, man. That boy, man. Hey, I push myself. Come on. I've been a fan of that me. Put me. Hey, I put myself. Come on. I've been a fan of the hill. Come on. I had a fan

red. Boy, you hell. Up and Chad, we love to show question for Up. You say Jared's the greatest wide receiver ever because of all the stats and accolades,

does that mean the greatest running back of all time is Emmitt? Can you give us a shout out? Much love. No. Jared not only has the greatest stat, he got everything. I mean, so when you base it, I mean, Barrett has just as many Pro Bowls, just as many first team All-Pros, just as – I don't know. I think – how many MVPs did Emmitt win? One or two? Ms. Biddle is out.

Hold on. Go ahead. How many Barry got? Because Barry got 10 Pro Bowls. How many first-team All-Pros? First-team total. And Emmitt only has two, three, or four off-roads?

So, no. I just think the thing is, from what I saw, no, I don't look at it like that. Because you look at Barry, Barry had more Pro Bowls, more All-Pro selections than Emmitt. They both had one regular season MVP. Emmitt

had a postseason MVP, which was a Super Bowl. But when you look at Jerry, Jerry had 13 Pro Bowls. Randy had six. Jerry had 10. How many All-Pros? 10? 10 All-Pros. Randy had four. The discrepancy is so vast. And the numbers. I mean, what? You say, oh, but Randy got something. He lost him. Okay.

They created the yak for Jerry. Yards after catch. That's Jerry. Yards after catch. Rack. Run after catch. Come on, man. I look. I'm not talking. And that's not like, look, if you like Randy, you after catch. Rat, run after catch. Come on, man. Look, I'm not talking.

And that's not like, look, if you like Randy, you like Randy. But I just, for me, based on what I saw. Hey. So, as far as Pro Bowls, Barry has more Pro Bowls than Emmitt. And he played less years. Barry has more All-Pros than Emmitt. And he played less years. Barry has more All-Pros than Emmitt. And he played less years. Jerry at...

Randy had his last 1,000-yard season at age 32. Jerry had his last 1,000-yard season at 40. A Super Bowl MVP, two offensive players of the year. And the man told you he played hard when he want to. The guy asked Ocho, he said, because I said Jerry was the greatest wide receiver because of all the stats. I heard him.

Does that mean Emmitt? Emmitt is the better, yeah. I heard him. Does that mean Emmitt? Emmitt is the better. Yeah, I heard him. No, because there are a lot of people that said Jim Brown was a better running back. Walter Payton was a better running back. And that's, you know, that's, I mean, Jimmy only played nine years. The guy won the MVP as a rookie.

Tell me the rookie you think is going to come in and win MVP. That's what Jim Brown did as a rookie. He won MVP as a rookie. Okay, tell me the rookie that's going to come in and win Defensive Player of the Year. That's what Lawrence Taylor did. Not only did he win

Rookie Defensive Player of the Year, he won League Defensive Player of the Year as a rookie. Now, I remind you, the sack didn't become an official stat until 1982. LT got in the league in 81. Yeah, you got to be. You know how great you have to be.

You got to be leaps and bounds above everybody else to come in as a rookie. You know they ain't getting rookies anything. Nah, you got to earn it. You got to be really, really, really, really, really, really good at what you do. Yeah.

Really good. So, that's where I'm at on that. Ocho. I know who the greatest receiver of all time is. J.R. Rice? Ocho.

I don't know, Ocho. I think, you know what? I think your title about to be gone in about five more years. Rice? Ocho? I don't know, Ocho. I think, you know what? I think your title about to be gone in about five more years. What? Jamal Chase going to be that boy. Shoot, ain't that shit. He that boy now. He that boy before it.

I know who the greatest entertainer of all. I know who the greatest entertainer ever that has ever wore an NFL helmet. I know who that is. Whoa, whoa, whoa. See, now you're going too far. See, Ocho, see, you were doing good, Ocho. I know who that is. I mean, they already voted you for the best.

I'm better trash talking to you. That's what they voted. Man, child, please. I'm with the voting. Child, please. The voters laughed. Hold on, we got one more question, Ocho. All right.

You got work tomorrow? I do Jimmy Matthew donated, he said the question is for Ocho Will the wife write a book Or do any speaking on her transition From jumping out of airplanes To a successful business woman I believe her story would be great That's a good one

That's a good question, baby Come here real quick. You got to answer this question. There's a life outside of the military. I'm dead ass here. I'm not even playing. You got to answer this question because you're better suited

to answer a question about you than I am. Nah, go ahead. Tell her again. They asked us a question. They said, are you planning on writing a book or speaking on your transition

from jumping out of airplanes to being a successful businesswoman? Oh, y'all know about me. I thought about it. I probably would. Eventually. Eventually. That's it?

They asked a question. They didn't say go into detail about why. Oh, okay. That'll be in the book. that'll be in the book oh oh that'll be in the book you ain't gonna be you ain't gonna be in the book coach oh who you i'm the one gonna do that i'm doing the writing oh lord have mercy that ain't gonna be nothing but some run-on sentences oh no make sure you hit that like button make sure you hit the subscribe button thank you so much for joining us for another episode of nightcap we will be back tomorrow after the national championship game the dolphins lose to the bills 21 14 the cowboys run all over the uh the commanders 38 to 10 and james has some explaining to do but thank you

702 oh and thank you we're officially at 702 000 subscribers ocho 702 so thank you thank you thank you thank you for joining for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite. Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite. Number 85. Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson, rock runner extraordinaire, Bengals legend. Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow after the national championship game. I love y'all. Good night. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news and the best analysis delivered by the time you get your coffee. The show hits every single game every single week, but I can't do it alone. So I'm bringing in all the big guns from NFL media like Colleen Wolf. Subscribe today and

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