Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - BIlls-Chargers, Steelers crush Bengals, Parker upsets Deontay Wilder

Episode Date: December 24, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Buffalo Bills taking on the Los Angeles Chargers, the Pittsburgh Steelers blowing out the Cincinnati Bengals, Joesph Parker's shocking upset of Deontay Wilder and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:00 - Bills beat Chargers08:30 - Wilder gets upset21:50 - George Pickens goes off28:30 - Micah Parsons vs. TJ Watt42:00 - NFL MVP breakdown01:04:00 - Unc and Ocho get HEATED talking about top 5 boxers01:12:00 - Simone Biles husband gets exposed01:31:00 - Shannon doesn't like lingerie01:45:00 - Unc and Ocho answer fan questions #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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again for another episode of nightcap i'm your favorite sports uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, Bengals Ring of Famer, Route Runner extraordinaire, Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Yes, sir. Ocho, we're at 528,000 subscribers. We really, really appreciate that, guys.

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Order a bottle or two for you or someone that you love and your favorite uncle would greatly greatly appreciate it elcho let's get right into it the bills beat the chargers tonight uh 24 22 the bills open the game is a 12 and a half point favorite and walk away with a narrow win josh allen 15 to 21 237 yards one touchdown with an exception east Easton Stick filling in for Justin Herbert. 23-33, 2-15. When you look at this game, what were some of your takeaways?

I mean, the takeaway from this game was the goddamn Bills are lucky. Josh Allen is lucky. James Cook is lucky. The Chargers played a decent game without a Justin Herbert. They did it just enough to almost obviously win the game. That kick by Dicker. Is it Dicker or Decker? I don't want to pronounce it right.

Dicker. I thought that sealed the game. But obviously, Josh Allen comes down, throws a beautiful, beautiful pass to Diggs on third, and I'm not sure what it was. It was third and something, and then came back and hit. God, I got to get these fellas' names right, man. Number 10, where his knee was down.

His knee was down where I thought it was a touchdown. But they have to stop playing like this because you can't overcome the turnovers. You're not going to be able to overcome the turnovers once you get into playoff contention or you're in a playoff atmosphere against a team that's much better than that of the Charovers. You're not going to be able to overcome the turnovers once you get into playoff contention or you're in a playoff atmosphere against a team that's much better than that of the Chargers. Right.

You know what, Ocho? They flashed a stat on the screen. Yeah. Josh Allen has turned the ball over 15 straight times in road games dating back to 2022. Wait, 15 straight? 15 straight games. He's had at least one turnover on the road.

That gets you beating the playoffs because you pay double for him. He had, I mean, if he throws digs across the field in a situation like that, there's no backside help. So now just let him run up under. Yeah, because if you throw it like he

threw it, the same thing's going to happen. The guy's going to undercut it and he's going to pick it. And the funny thing about it, remember, he just did it earlier. He did it earlier in the game anyway to Gabe Davis. Instead of across the field, it was just right in front of him. Yes. All he had to do was step into it just a little bit more. Shakir is number 10 for the Buffalo Bills.

Okay, Shakir. Khalil Shakir. Okay. You're right. It seems like to me, Buffalo kind of like played down to the competition. Even though the Chargers still have a very talented team, even without Justin Herbert, without Keenan Allen, no Joey Bosa, they still have a very talented roster. And give those guys credit for fighting hard. But this has been the story over the last three years. They they play good but somehow they find ways to lose these type of ball games how many times have they lost by one lost by two lost by three points and seemingly

in situations like this somebody kicking a a game winning field goal a game winning field goal but you only have limited time to go try to win the ball game or tie the ball game up. And so this has kind of been the story, not only of their season, but of the last couple of years. But the Bills, you're absolutely right. The Bills need to play a lot better than what they played. And sometimes when you look across, you're like, man, they can't beat us. Look at what they got at quarterback.

They're missing Keenan Allen also. You know, the defense defense they just fired their coach so what do they have to play for well a lot of these guys playing for jobs because there's going to be a new coach coming in there's going to be a new general manager coming in and they didn't draft they didn't trade for or they didn't sign any of you guys in free agency so they absolutely have no loyalty to you uh and so there's going to be very interesting so that's what you're playing for you ask well what are we playing for we don't have anything to play for we're not going to the playoffs your job because i'm sure you're going to want a job

in 2024 and so the new coach is going to come in and he's going to watch every single game and the one thing that you don't want to put on tape ojo is that when we're winning and we're front running we play hard but the moment we face a little adversity and we're behind yeah you can't do that that's not a good look that's definitely not a good look but give the Bills

give the Bills credit they come along that's a long long trip Ocho they win the ball game they're going to get an extra day of rest they get an extra day of rest. They get an opportunity to sit at home for criminal and don't have to worry about anything. They're probably not going to have no practice until Tuesday. They're off tomorrow.

They're off Sunday. Well, they're not going to get home. Well, they're not going to get home until it's 11 o'clock, 12, 1, 2, 3. They probably don't get home till 3, 4 o'clock in the morning. In the morning. They're probably don't get home until three, four o'clock in the morning. In the morning. They're not going to get home because you figure an hour to leave the stadium and from where the stadium is

to the airport, it's only like, you get police escort, so it's not that bad. You're going to get there fast. You're going to get there fast. And plus, a lot of the traffic

that have been, you know, kind of fanned out a little bit. Not all of it. Not all of it. There'll still be some traffic, but you'll get an opportunity to get there. And so probably 30 minutes after you get to the airport so yeah they're not getting home to three four o'clock in the morning maybe even five that's a that's a what five hour flight because it takes us when we go to new york and that's upstate new york so that's at least a five and a half i have five and a half hour flight. That's so easy. It's 11 o'clock, 12, one, two,

three, four. Yeah, they get home four, 4.30. You know, the funny thing about it,

but the good thing about it, you know what it would have felt like to take that five hour and 30 minute drive back home if you had lost, if you had lost that game. That's bad.

One behind that fumble or maybe that interception because it's only three, two or three plays in an entirety of a game that make the difference. That totally make the difference.

And the fact that they were over to come two turnovers today, they got lucky. They got real lucky. But it won't cut it once you get in them playoffs. It won't cut it.

I don't know how you were, Ocho, but man, I couldn't sleep. Man, we're a loser draw. Especially in the wind, I ain't sleeping. We rowdy back there. We playing cards. We laughing.

We joking. We telling jokes. We talking about if somebody got blew up in the game, oh, we on your head. Oh, man, dude, knock your block off. Right, right, right. If you got slept in a game, oh, don't worry about it. Hey, we about to feel bad for you on the field.

But once we get to that locker room. Them jokes going to fly. Oh, absolutely. Them jokes are going to fly. Absolutely. Every time. Every time. But shoot, man, after a loss.

After a loss. I'm down. I'm a brawler. Especially if we had a long flight. You know, we were on the West Coast having to come back to the East. Yeah. You know what? I'm thinking about, you know,

playing the Raiders or playing the Chargers and losing and having to come back. I can't even remember what I was doing. But I think I probably did sleep. Win or loss, I probably did sleep. You're sleeping. Especially after playing a game,

you know, being beat up, being sore, not sure what the outcome might have been, but I got to get my rest but I got to get my rest I got to get my rest especially for a flight that long that's tough I mean just that five hour flight

coming from the west to the east but that's hell especially if you lost I tell you what you're not going to feel worse than Deontay Wilder he got to come all back with that L and how he looked tonight all the way from Saudi. Yeah, yeah. After that performance, they should make him walk back.

After what he put on tape today, Ocho, they need to make him walk back. Listen, you know, Wilder, man, good friend of mine, boxing is weird the way it works. Boxing is weird the way it works. He's always been dominant. He's always been dominant

with one hand and one punch. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch. Yeah. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch for so long. He's relied on it for such a period of time that now I think it's almost too late. We're now. You can't teach him nothing now. It's too late. It's too late for him now, Ocho.

You can't teach him anything. I know what I mean. If he was a little bit more technical and a little bit more sound as a boxer yeah not a puncher right you know because now you're coming now you're meeting people that have a great ring IQ that are able to protect themselves right from that one hand and that one punch and they are they are better boxers it is that if that makes sense yeah They might not be the better fighter than him, but they are the better boxer. They're outboxing him.

Yeah, and as long as they don't walk into that punch or he let them sit them up to trap them. But I think the thing is for him, Ocho in combat sports, like when you're like invincible, you remember how Mike Tyson was? Nobody really wanted to fight Mike Tyson until Buster Douglas knocked him out, and then everybody had a line around the block. It was the same thing with George Foreman.

When he was knocking people out, he almost killed Joe Frazier. When he almost killed Ken Norton, nobody wanted to fight him. Then Muhammad Ali beat him. He took a sabbatical. Yeah. to fight him. Then Muhammad Ali beat him. He took a sabbatical. Because the era of invincibility,

when you're that guy, when you're the king of the mountain, kind of like a bully. Everybody's scared of the bully until somebody whippers his ass and says, oh, you ain't all that. Shut up. You ain't beat him. Why you telling me to be quiet? You should have told that man to whip your ass to be quiet.

That's how it is in anything, in any combat sport as long as like you have this this this era this aura of invincibility people gonna be like man can anybody because you have to understand deontay wilder although he only had that one punch it was dynamite listen it was effective any listen this is the this is the funny thing about it. I've seen Deontay Wilder spar a few times. Listen, the sound, the power behind those punches or that one punch, the jab is nice. But when that right hand catch you, and if it does catch you, he ain't even got to hit you clean. No.

He could graze you and you're going down. But then when you get against better competition, you come against boxers that are good, that have great footwork, that can get in and get out, even though they're heavy weights, and they're out boxing you using this up here,

then you struggle a little bit. And most heavyweights, Ocho, as you go up in weight classes, most fighters, as you start going up in weight classes, can end the fight with one punch. Obviously, in the heavyweight division, everybody can throw a punch

and get you up out of there. But the thing with a boxer is that he knows I ain't going to stand directly in front of you. I'm going to come into the angles and I'm going to negate some of that power that you have by not standing in front of you.

And so now all of a sudden, instead of giving him a square target, they give you like this here. Sign, yeah. You ain't got nothing to hit. Yeah. I mean, if you get like hit my head, hit my head, it's like a stop sign. So he going to tee up on you. And you know what the thing was?

What really, me, and I don't't like I said, I follow boxing. I love boxing and I'm a huge boxing fan. I think what broke him more than anything, it wasn't losing is when he hit the guy with his best punch and he got up. And yeah, he got up. Nobody had ever gotten up from a punch like that. And he hit him flush. And he shot up in the middle of ring like Undertaker and got up and commenced to whipping his ass. He said, well, Ocho, if you tee off on somebody, you hit them as hard as God will let you.

And he don't go nowhere. Or if you knock him down, he get back up. I got to run. Well, you're in a boxing match. You can't run. It could almost be demoralizing. Yes! Goddamn.

That was my best shot. That was all I got. And to see somebody take your power and get up and continue to fight, it does something to you mentally. I'm sure it does. Obviously, I've only been in the ring once, so I really am not, you know, really equipped to be able to talk about it like that but but with the with the love i have for the for boxing and the love i have for watching the sweet science throughout the years i think i'm somewhat kind of qualified how about we put it in terms that we do our best hitter hit the receiver he go across the middle and we hit him flush and guess what two plays later they throw the ball

to him again he go up and grab across the middle you like i don't, damn. And don't even care. Man, you know how many times we done had guys turn that down when they see one of them guys like that? Most definitely. Now, all of a sudden, we're like, well, damn. He ain't scared. He ain't got no alligator arms. Right, right. He really about that life. So it takes something out of, not

just the defense, it takes something out of the whole team. Because as an offense, we used to see a guy, he'll lay him out. And all of a sudden, he ain't laid out. He catching the ball, it takes somebody the whole team. Because as an offense, we used to see a guy, he'll lay him out. And all of a sudden, he ain't laid out. He catching the ball and he take off running. Not even caring at all. And the funny thing about boxing, the funny thing, the great thing that I love about the sweet science is styles win fights.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Styles win fights. So no matter how much of a power punch you are, no matter how much you can hit somebody with one shot, when you get a better fighter in front of you that is great at movement, understanding when to take chances and when not to, that is very sound defensively, and has a ring IQ, that is trouble for anybody that's a one-hitter quitter like Wilder is. I wish even at 38, I'm not sure. At 38, can you develop the skill set to be a better boxer? I doubt it, Ocho. To have a better ring IQ? But think about it, Ocho.

He got started in the game late. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? It's not like he started in the amateur ranks with the Golden Gloves and worked his way up. He was a late starter anyway. So you're asking him to pick up skills and to be able to do things that he probably should have learned

probably like, let's just say a 10-year-old, 10- to 12-year-old. Well, he didn't get started until his 20s. So now, all of a sudden, he's already at a disadvantage. It's kind of like in any sport, when you, Tiger Woods understood,

because think about it, Tiger Woods had a golf club in his hand at two years old. Oh, yeah. Versus somebody that start playing golf as a teenager. Not to say, you know, the longer you play something, the more skill, the more knowledge,

and the more understanding that you have. And so I think that's what happened with Deontay. He got a late start. He wasn't, he wasn't technically sound, although he had dynamite in that right hand. He wasn't a guy that was looking to put punches together to get you up out of there.

He was looking for you to make that one mistake. He landed that big, right. And it was right. So now if he caught you with it, with the exception of Fury, it was good night, Irene. Yeah, every time. Every time. So now—

Go ahead. Do you think it is too late, though? Do you think it is too late to develop the skill set? Listen, the movement, what I saw from him today in the early rounds, the movement, the patience, the picking and choosing, when to take chances and when not to, it looked great round one through four, even though he was losing those rounds because he wasn't as active as he should be. Is he scared to take punches, Ocho?

Because you know now, in order to knock somebody out, you got to take a chance. I ain't never seen nobody knock nobody out like this here. So when you throw that punch, guess what's open? Your chin. Because you're trying to line that punch on him

or whatever it is maybe it's a combo maybe it's an uppercut so whatever the punch you're trying to land you subject yourself to taking one right do you think after I hear boxers always say

I hear announcers always say after a boxer's been knocked out he's never the same again he's never the same you think that holds truth, you think? Yeah. Yeah, of course. It messes with your psyche, you think?

You get cautious. You get cautious. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hey, I tell you what. I'm old enough to remember. You remember Roy Jones when he lost to Antonio Tarver? The Tarver. He was never the same fighter. The left Tarver? The Tarver. He was never the same fighter. The left quoting by accident, yeah.

He was never the same fighter. He was never the same. Right. Now, I understand, you know, he had, Roy had went from, Roy went from, you know, junior all the way up to super middle, all the way up to heavyweight. He took the belt from Reese. He was 193.

He took the heavyweight title, and then he dropped all that weight to come back down. That's what he shouldn't have done. But Roy was not the same fighter after he lost to Tarver. He started losing the fighters that Roy would have never lost. Roy would have toyed with him.

Yeah, most definitely. I think one of the problems with Roy also is his skills started to deteriorate just a little bit. Just a minute, just a little bit, he wasn't sound defensively. Well, he was never. Because he was so much quicker and faster than everybody else. Yeah. You know, he could, I mean, you know, he dropped his hands and he was like, okay, you know, hey, and then pow, he'd catch you with that left hook.

Yeah. He would catch you something when you suspected. So now you're not as technically sound and you're still trying to take those chances as you start to age and the reflexes aren't quite the same so hopefully that Deontay can bounce back

but I don't know he can't end like that you can't end like that you get back in the lab and you work on what you need to work on, and you come back, and you keep on fighting. Guys back in the 80s and 90s were so skilled. People think heavyweights are just big and slow, no footwork giants.

But you have to understand, those guys had Olympic background. They came amateur. Ali won the gold medal in 60. Frazier was 64. George Foreman was 68. Holyfield went to the Olympics. Mike Tyson was an alternate in the Olympics. Roy Jones was in the Olympics.

Floyd Mayweather was in the Olympics. Sweet Pete Whitaker. Mark Breland. All those guys. Tubbs and Henry Tillman. The greatest boxing team ever assembled was the 84 Olympics. I think we won 10 of the 12 gold medals and I think we got a

silver and one and a bronze. But we won 10 of the 12. And you go look at that roster. From Sweet Pea to Mark Breland to Henry Tillman to... I mean, we were loaded. Yeah, them boys.

So you think things would be different for him from a skill point perspective as far as footwork and ring movement and ring IQ and stuff like that if he had started much earlier as opposed to 20? Yeah, because the thing is, how often are you going to be able to knock somebody out with that hair gear?

So now you got to out-porn them. Now you got to out-box them. You see what I'm saying? Now, not to say that you can't knock him out, but it's a lot harder. That's why they spar with headgear. It's a lot harder to knock someone out when they have headgear versus not. So now it's a point system.

I got to out-point you in order to beat you because the likelihood of me knocking you out isn't that good. But he's not a volume puncher, though. So that takes that out of the equation, too. Why? Because he didn't have the background, the amateur background. So that takes that out of the equation, too. Why? Because he didn't have the background, the amateur background. He didn't go up in the golden gloves.

He didn't grow up to go to the Olympics. So he just got in. So to get as far as he got with the limited strength and the skills that he has, you have to tilt your head to it. Tremendous. Tremendous. Yeah. But that's why I was asking. I know boxing is different

from football. Even at 38, is it possible to attain those skills even at over a short amount of time to become a volume puncher? To be able to come out

and throw maybe even as a heavyweight, it might be ridiculous to say, you know, 50, 60 punches a round. Is that possible or is that not in his DNA? You think you could have been

the same route runner if you didn't start playing football until you was 25? Hell no. Exactly. I needed all 10,000 of them hours. Exactly. So now,

because not only do you understand, you know, okay, this is what I want to do. You understanding how to set guys up. You also understand from the defense that when I catch this ball, here's where the danger is going to come from.

So you already know that from all those years, man, this single high safety. Oh, ain't nobody coming. If somebody's going to come, they're going to be coming from the inside. So if I give him an inside move,

he's going to probably bite. I can spin out. OK, if he's coming up, man, he's probably coming up on the outside. Let me speak. I'm going gonna be able to get back up inside but yeah somebody might be coming so just make sure hey i gotta make this

thing happen quick it's just years and years and years of repetition of knowing we'll get back we'll get back to boxing let's get to the steelers okay the steelers blow out the bingos 34 11 uh mason rudolph 17 to 27 292 touchdowns george pickens had a bounce back game uh scorched the bingo secondary four catches 195 yards two touchdowns he became the first dealer to have two touchdowns with of at least 65 yards since the great louis lips did it in 1988 i know you don't remember louis lips but louis lips was a hell of a football. He was a hell of a receiver. Smallish, but hey, can't quit. Bruce Pickens. George Pickens took Rudolph's first pass attempt for an 86-yard touchdown.

What a hop. Ocho, what the hell did safety go with? I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing. I have no idea. I have no idea what he was doing. But this is what I was talking about when I was somewhat defending George Pickens, obviously on the play with the block and his

frustration and based his aura, the laziness of being underused and not utilizing to its potential. This is what I was talking about. This is what I was talking about. Now, again, I'm not saying you have to block all the time. You have to put the effort in in blocking so everything works. Listen, offense is 11 players. Yes. If one player's not doing something,

it's like having an engine with no goddamn belt. The car might be running, but it ain't going to go nowhere if you ain't got the belt to get the engine spinning. You got to have the spark plugs. Boom.

I said that part but the other flip side of it listen the steeders aren't playing well this year they have a franchise changing receiver at the helm that they're not using they're not utilizing him to his full potential he's a game changer he's a game changer what we saw today is what he could have been doing since week one regardless to who they're playing. You put him in positions to make the plays. I look at Puka Nakua. Puka Nakua is a phenomenal talent.

He's a phenomenal talent. What he's done this far in the McVay system is phenomenal. But is he that or at the likes of George Pickens when it comes to route running speed skill set? No, I don't think so. And that's no disrespect to Puka. I'm just speaking on what I know based off what I know about receivers in the eye test

and what I know George can do. And we saw a glimpse of it tonight. What we saw tonight shouldn't be happening in week 15, 14, 16, whatever week we in. I don't even know. That should be happening

consistently week in and week out. When the Steelers line up on offense, the defensive adjustments should be happening consistently week in and week out. When the Steelers line up on offense, the defensive adjustments should be made based on where he's lined up. That's the type of player he is. And I'm glad, I'm glad he hit me tonight. He hit me tonight and I say, man, good game. I love you. That's how this shit's supposed to look every motherfucking day.

Every day. Forget the catching part. Forget the catching part forget the catching part the catching the blocking have a complete game every time you step on that field yes never be the problem nigga be the solution oh shit my bad my bad i'm sorry oh joe people hear me oh ryan clark shannon sharp what y'all think about this two things can be true. George Pickens loafed last week on the block. This week, George Pickens had an incredible ballgame. You see how two things can be true?

Just because he had an incredible ballgame, that doesn't negate what he didn't do last week. Right. And so people got to get out of that notion. One thing does not compensate for the other. He did that. That's on tape. Just like what he did this week. It's on tape. I'm a special. Yes.

I believe two things can be true. George Pickens loafed on a block last week. We saw it. George Pickens came back this week, had four catches for a buck 95 and two touchdowns and became the first Steelers receiver to have two touchdowns of at least 65

yards in a game since Louis Lips did it in 1988. Those are true. But here's the thing, Ocho. As a receiver, you're a receiver. We played a dependent position. We couldn't throw ourselves the ball. We couldn't call plays for ourselves. The only thing that we could control was our effort.

How hard did you get in and out of that break? How hard did you get into that break? What did you do once you got the ball? What did you do when you didn't have the ball? Are you excited? Because you're only going to be as good if you're excited that somebody else scored a touchdown than if you scored it yourself. That's when you know you're on to something.

I've been on part of the championship team. And to see how excited he was for me and Rod or TD, and to see TD running down the field, and everybody want a mile-high salute, that's when you know you're on to something. All I'm saying, look, and I'm saying, Ocho, you don't think I wanted to catch 10 passes a week? You don't think I wanted 100 yards and a couple of touchdowns a week?

Yes. But you know, realistically, even Tyreek, the type of season that he had, even Calvin Johnson when he had that record-breaking season, there were some games the man had 50 yards. It wasn't many. The effort

is the only thing as an athlete I can control. Even when I shoot the ball. Now, it might look pure. I can't control if it go in or not, but if I miss a shot, I got to hustle my ass back on defense, or my man going to get the layup, or my man going to get a dunk. So that's all I'm

saying to George Pickens. There's no denying his talent. We know what he's capable of doing. Yeah, they need to use it though. They need to put that motherfucker on display every goddamn week well every week they look good they look good yeah they look good yeah and then that's that's coming from a bangles fan that's coming from

a diehard still love everyday bleed bleed black and orange they look goddamn good today they look good um can you put up there not only the sacks, but tackles for losses, forced fumble, fumble recovery picks? I know, he probably, Pick probably watching right now.

No. Hey, Pickers, if you watching, man, send us $100, yo. Send us a quick hundred. Tom, but Don said, do me a favor, Ocho.

No more GDs tonight. Please, love y'all content. But the GDs worse than any other swear word. I don't even gangbang. I'm not from Chicago. I'm not a GD. No, he's saying gosh dang. You saying the GDs. No, it's got damn. Got.

Not the D word. G-O-T. Okay. That's what he's saying. Tell him it's got damn, not the G- g-o-t okay yeah i'm just that's what that's what that's what he said uh oh yeah tell him tell him his tell him his goddamn not not the g-o-d word version my grandma don't play that board she'll slap fire at my mouth um i've i've been looking at this and uh molly said something the other day that uh the betting favorite for defensive player of the year is michael parsons and i'm just trying to figure out how. Oh, because it's based off

numbers, huh? Because it's based off numbers? Is that what you're going to do? TJ Watt leads the league in sacks. He has more sacks, more forced fumbles, more fumble recoveries, more interceptions, more touchdowns, more tackle for losses. Well, Makai got...

Makai, let me see. He got 12 and a half. He got a forced fumble, 14 tackles for loss. Yes. Well, shit. got, Makai, let me see, he got 12 and a half. He got a four-fumble, 14, 14 tackles for loss. Yes. Well, shit, Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett and goddamn Makai goddamn right there neck and neck. So running away with it is TJ Watt based on what he's done so far. TJ Watt leads the league with 17. Miles Garrett is seventh with 13.

He and Micah are tied for tackle for losses with 14. TJ Watt has 16. Right. T.J. Watt has more forced fumbles. He has more fumble recoveries. He has more interceptions. He has more touchdowns. What am I missing?

Listen, all three of them are very impactful on their defense. We got to get a war. We can't get a war to three players. We got to give it to somebody, Ocho. All right. Who do you like? Who would you like? If you had to give the war to somebody, who do you give it to?

To TJ Watt. To TJ Watt? Yes. Despite the team's lack of success? Hey. I'm just asking. Despite the team's lack of success? Man, Cortez. Ocho, Cortez Kennedy was defensive player

of the year on a 2-14 team. So don't give me no lack of success. No, no, no, I'm not Saying anything, I'm not saying anything I'm just trying to make sure I touch on all angles Before you give it away But the Steelers have an opportunity to get into the playoffs They still got a chance

To be a wild card You right, you right, you right They not done yet Ocho When I think about it I like what Makai doing Makai has done this far. Micah. You know, through the season.

Micah, Micah, I'm sorry. I like what Miles Garrett has also done. Yes. They are forced to be reckoned with on their teams. Yes. And they can change the direction of a game at any point. And is it a fact that maybe they're getting double teamed? Oh, you don't think TJ

is getting double teamed? I don't know. I don't really... I don't watch the... I watch it all. Because especially, I'm watching it all for the simple fact

I need to see... I don't really get caught up into like, okay, he scored. I need to know why he scored. Okay, he got a sack, but I need to know what happened. How did they scheme it up?

Did somebody get off on the block? Did they slide the wrong way? Did the back miss the block? I have to look at all of that. And if I look at TJ's numbers, and it's just hard, and it's not like the Steelers' defense is trash. I can see if he's on the defense and they, you know,

they dead last and pass defense. But we know where the Steelers are. The Steelers always been there. They linebackers have always been legit. You go back to the 70s with Ham, Lambert, Andy Russell. You come to Kevin Green. Kevin Green. Yeah.

Greg Lloyd. Greg Lloyd, yeah. And you go to Gilden and you go to Joey Porter and you come to Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd, and you go to Gildan and you go to Joy Porter and you go to Holmes and you go to Kirkland. They've always had linebacker James Harrison. Larry, Larry Foote. Yeah. Kendrick O'Neal.

Yeah. Hey, so I have a question. TJ Watt normally played a wide nine, right? He never is. They put him down and put his hand in the dirt, but they play a 34 defense. I have a question. T.J. Watt normally played a wide nine, right? He never is. They put him down and put his hand in the dirt. But they play a 34 defense. So they play a 34.

That mean, that's still a nine. That's still a nine, no? What would you call it in three-four? I call it a 34. That's a Sam, Will, and Mike. Okay, okay, okay. What do we call it? Well, he normally the strong side. So we call it Sam.

Right. You got Sam, Will. You got Plug and Mike. That's the way we label it. Now, if you play a 43 defense, we call it Sam, Will, and Mike. Mike, okay. But we call it when you got a 34 defense, Sam, Will, Plug, Mike. So they played the Steelers for the last 30 years.

Now, in the 70s, they were called the Steel Curtain. They played a 43 defense with Ernie Holmes, L.C. Greenwood, Joe Green, and those guys. That's why I'm asking. I'm looking at the sacks, right? And I'm trying to see

what do they do with T.J. Watt differently that they don't do with Micah and Myles Garrett? Well, Micah, well, see, they're like Myles is an in. He plays, he's playing, and normally they play a 43, so he's on the, what they try to, he plays the open side. So he's always, they're always trying to put him away from a tight end. And they move him around a little bit, too. They'll swap him around.

And you see sometimes he's going in between his legs. He's over the guard. What they're trying to do, and they'll do this with all of them. Who's the weak link? Now, I'm going to turn the door handles on all these doors. Now, one of them got to open. Right, right. And the one that opens the easiest, I'll be back to come in there again.

Right. the easiest, I'll be back to come in there again. But they will drop TJ in the coverage because you know as the Sam Packer, sometimes you got hooked to flat. You got to curl. So you're not always rushing.

And Michael occasionally, but more times than not, when you got a guy with his hand in the dirt, you're rushing him more times than not. Occasionally, you run a zone, you get exotic, you're rushing him more times than not. Occasionally, you run a zone, you get exotic, you run a zone blitz,

and you'll fake like it, and he'll drop out. But for the most part, Miles Garrett and Micah do a little bit, not much, because you're wasting T.J. Watt if you drop him in coverage. He'll hell-raise him. So I want him kicking in the door.

Like he doing his sack celebration, I want him kicking in the door. Like he doing his sack celebration, I want him kicking in the door. When you think about it, listen, we didn't even talk about Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack, yeah. Khalil Mack, too. Who should be in the conversation? Yeah. The Bosa? Yeah.

49ers? Yeah. He's not Joey? No, Nick. Joey plays for the Chargers. Nick plays for the 49ers. Man, they all look the same, folks. He's not. He's not. No, Nick. Joey plays for the Chargers. Nick plays for the 49ers. Man, they all look the same, man. They all look the same. Hunter in Minnesota.

He's having an outstanding. He was leading the league for quite a bit. Maybe about 10, 11, 12 weeks in a row. Yeah. And it tailed off a little bit. I mean, what you call having an outside chance to get 20. He'll tie his brother. He'll be the only second man in NFL history to have two 20-sack seasons.

You know, his brother, JJ, had two seasons in which he had at least 20 sacks. Nobody else has been able to do that. We've had some guys that have 21 and a half. JJ had two seasons in which he had at least 20 sacks. Nobody else has been able to do that. We've had some guys that have 21 and a half. Strahan had 22 and a half. What's the record? The record's 23, right? 22 and a half by TJ and Strahan.

Okay, okay. That's live, man. Do you know how many sacks that is? I don't think people even know how difficult it is to get a goddamn sack, let alone to get 22 of them. Yeah. Oh my goodness. And these guys have gotten really good.

These guys know how to bend. It doesn't matter. Normally, the bending was for smaller guys. Sam back, the guys that, you know, like a Derrick Thomas, like a Vaughn Miller. But if you look at Miles Garrett, Miles Garrett is 265 pounds, 270. And he can bend like a guy that's 230, 235. Man, bend like he doing the motherfucking limbo.

Yeah. TJ, look at TJ. Now, Michael is not as, he doesn't bend as much. Michael is a more swim or rip. But. And you know what other people don't get to see? I call it the casual fan.

I mean no disrespect. All they think of, they just see D.N. They think about Russian and don't understand these fellas have a plethora of... They have a plethora of moves. They have a plethora of setups.

Yeah. They get to... They get, man... Oh, it's unbelievable to watch. It's almost like art form. It's almost like art form, but you don't get to see the hand-to-hand combat because all you see is just a guy just bull rushing, not knowing he's actually like art form. It's almost like art form, but you don't get to see the hand-to-hand combat

because all you see is just a guy just bull rushing, not knowing he's actually setting the ball. Bull is when you go basically take the guy right down the middle and walk him back to the quarterback. Now, there have been only a handful of guys. The only guy that I know could do the forklift was a guy named Jumpy Gathers. Jumpy.

Forklift. Forklift, what he would do when the guy would try to pass block him, he would shoot his hands through there like a forklift lift the lineman up walk him back sack the quarterback he's the only guy i've ever seen that lift him up lift him up off his feet a 340 pound man jumpy can lift him up off his feet and take him back to the quarterback you know he must have been strong he must have been strong he was remember i told you jumping from charleston jumpy is only like one generation wait like larry Larry Allen strong, like that? Yeah. Oh, he live Larry Allen up.

Shit. Live him up. Larry Allen, Larry Allen? Live him up. You see Reggie, Reggie hump Larry. You see Reggie, you see when they had the thing, the 30 for 30 on ESPN?

Uh-huh. What happened? Well, he clubbed him. Yep. Okay, he must have caught him on his heels. That's what Reggie does. But see, Reggie could also bend for a man that size. And Reggie had no gloves. For real?

Reggie just had, Reggie just was out there with his bare hands. Didn't matter how cold it was. The tape on his, the tape on his fingers. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah tape on his finger. Yeah, man. And you know, the guys can wipe, you know, they bend the edge and poop. Right, that's your quarterback.

The guy set you up with the rip. So it's all a setup. They're looking at, okay, how deep does he get? Okay, how deep is the quarterback? Okay, one, two, three. Okay, that's where the quarterback is. Okay, it's set up they're looking at okay how deep does he get okay how deep is the quarterback okay one two three okay that's where the quarterback is okay it's set up one two okay and so it's like a rhythm okay he's here yeah okay this is where i need to get to okay i need somebody i need you to clap the pocket and make him take one step back or take him so he can't drive.

He can't step up because now I can bend and get around the edge. So it's a dance. I mean, like you said, people think, oh, he got a sack. But do you know why he got that sack? He got a sack. Do you know how he got that sack? So much comes into play. And I always wondered from like playing the mind game and thinking about it, as a DN, obviously I don't play DN, but I would count the kick and when he anchors down.

I mean, I'm just saying in my mind, if I was, I know when the ball snapped, he kick, kick, kick. And then knowing when to make my move or when to apply pressure, when to punch, when to swim, when to dip and rip. Right. Man, it's so many things that come into play. Right. I'm just taking it as if I was playing receiver and just implementing the same thing as if I was playing D. But the hardest part is, Ocho, is that you don't know where the quarterback is. You know where you think he should be.

Be, right. But how many times have we seen the offensive line or the tackles push the guy off the field only to have the quarterback run right into it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Run right into it. And see, normally that happens

with mobile quarterback because they think they're running away from something on the front side and they run themselves into trouble on the back side. If you look at the most mobile quarterbacks

from Randall Cunningham to Lamar Jackson to Cam Newton to Mike Vick to all those guys, those are your most sacked guys. Now, obviously, Tom ended up breaking that record because Tom played so long. You expect a guy to play 23 years

to end up being the most sacked quarterback in NFL history. But when you look at a lot of the mobile quarterbacks that didn't play nearly as long, they're way up there in sacks because while they could get themselves out of harm's way, sometimes they thought they were getting themselves out of harm's way on the front of the backside, only to run themselves into trouble in the front of the backside. But it's going to be close because I don't think anybody, it's not like TJ,

when he had 22 and a half sacks, it was easy. Or when you had Aaron Donald have half sacks, it was easy. Or when you had Aaron Donald have 20 sacks, it's easy. At D-Tackle, do you know how difficult that is? Yeah. A D-Tackle having 20 sacks. Think about that. 90% of the time, Aaron Donald was double teamed. Oh, yeah.

My bad, 87% of the time. What's the difference? 20 sacks at the D-Tackle. That's insane and unheard of. and a D-tackle. That's insane and unheard of. Yeah. It was crazy. It was unbelievable.

The thing is what was so impressive, when I watched J.J. Watt, J.J. was kind of simple. J.J. just had to rip. But he was so quick with his first step and he was playing the five. Yeah. Wearing them guards out. Yeah.

You wearing them guards out. Same thing with Bruce. Bruce was a five technique, got over 200 sacks. Yeah. I don't know if that, I mean, maybe now with that extra game, if you can play. JJ, what? Big, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To be able to move like that, man. That's a big boy, man. But it's going to be

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because it's not like, you know, like Patrick Mahomes, when Patrick Mahomes had 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns, who else are you going to give it to Ocho? When you look at him last year, he had 5,000 yards and like, he led the league in passing yard,

led the league in passing touchdowns, led the league in QBR. And they had the best record. Well, it's easy. Now I think because now you got Christian McCaffrey doing what he's doing, rushing and receiving and look at their record. You get a Brock Purdy doing what he's doing rushing and receiving and look at their record you get a Brock Purdy doing what he's doing

he's number one in QBR number two in completion percentage if he he's averaging like nine point almost ten yards it'll be the highest yard for completion since 1957 you got to go back to Otto Graham and Van Brocklin right so what happens

even what Purdy's done this season, I'm not saying, I'm not Cleo. I can't predict the future. What happens if the Ravens defense has the formula to stop that juggernaut of our offense tomorrow? What happens if the Ravens beat the 49ers? Yeah. It should be hands down that the MVP is going to Lamar Jackson on what he's been able to do.

So you feel that same way if Purdy and them beat the Ravens that it's Brock Purdy's? Oh, yeah. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. Who else you going to give it to? Who else you going to give it to at that point? I got something to say about it with Miami. You know, you're right.

You know, I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. You moving too fast i'm moving too fast you know what's funny with that the cowboys beat anybody over 500 uh the eagles eagles two weeks okay they did to be the eagles okay had the dolphin be anybody over 500 this season no well right now the uh what what are the um what are the uh the broncos Broncos are 500. So theoretically, they're not over 500. They're not under, but they're not over. So we'll see once the season's over, do they get above 500?

But no. And that's been the knock. And that's why this game is so important. And we're going to learn a lot about the Dolphins and the Cowboys because we need to see them. We see the Cowboys struggle on the road. We see the Dolphins struggle when they step. We see the Cowboys struggle on the road. We see the Dolphins struggle when they step up in competition,

be it home or the road. So it's going to be very, very interesting. Can the Dolphins run the football to keep that undersized defense from just pinning their ears back and coming to get Tua? Because Tua, you know what, for a Tua, for a guy that's small, he's not that mobile. You don't think he's mobile? No. coming to get Tua. Because Tua, you know what, for a Tua, for a guy that's small, he's not that mobile. You don't think he's mobile? No.

I mean, he's not Lamar Jackson mobile, but he's very good. He has very good pocket awareness, though. No, I mean, he can move side to side with his capability. Right.

Right. Okay. Because you got to think, like, okay, Peyton Manning, you know Peyton, and you know, who else?

Tom. Tom, yeah. Ain't moving nowhere. Matthew Stafford, that guy's not going nowhere. They're old school pocket passers. But you think of somebody smallish, you're like, oh, man, like a Kyle. I'm thinking, man, you ain't finna get Kyle on the ground. How you going to get Kyle on the ground because he move?

You look at a Michael Vick. You think of the smaller the guy is, the more elusive he's going to be the ground because he moved. You look at a Michael Vick. You're thinking the smaller the guy is, the more elusive he's going to be. Elusive he is. Tua Tua's not even built like that, but for what he lacks, this is the thing about it, for what he lacks in escapability with his lower extremities, he makes up for

in his accuracy. Tua accurate than a motherfucker. I don't give a fuck. I'm off on a curse again. I don't care what people say about him not having arm strength or arm talent. He is accurate and throws a catchable ball.

Yeah. He throws it every time. When you don't have the arm, when you don't have, say, a Josh Allen or a Patrick Mahomes level arm, you have to throw with great anticipation.

So your anticipatory skills are Brock Purdy. You have to throw with great anticipation. So your anticipatory skills are Brock Purdy. You have to be able to anticipate because in the NFL, you don't guys don't get open. You throw them open. Because that stuff that you do in college, oh, he open. I'm going to throw it now. No, it ain't in the NFL.

That's either picked or knocked down. Yeah, you got to be special. You got to be a special one to be able to be special. You got to be a special one to be able to be open. Exactly. Tua has zero rushing touchdowns this season and he has 55 yards rushing. He has 55 yards rushing.

But it's going to be interesting to see how the Cowboys attack him. Because if Tyreek plays, and I understand that Bland... He going to play. No, okay. He going to play, and I understand that Bland... He gonna play. He gonna play. But I understand that Deron Bland is having an unbelievable season. And

Gilley is playing well. But are you really trying to man them up on Waddle and Reek? Man, who up? I'm just saying. They like... They play a heavy... They're one of the most heavy teams that play the most coverage of man. and they're not gonna change They're not gonna change because you know that the office would come into that game to establish the run the same way the 49ers did

The same way the bills did the same way the Arizona Arizona Cardinals did right there stab the surround the open of the pass, right? You know, they are yes, you know, they are that's the exact same thing. This is a copycat league Okay, when you watch film what what worked on the Dallas Cowboys on the game that they lost? Everybody ran the ball. Goddamn James Cook had a goddamn, might have been a career day. Yeah, 170-something yards rushing.

Well, what you think the Dolphins are going to come in here and do? Okay, bet. Did you know this, Ocho? I just saw this stat that Mostert had 19 rush know this, Ocho, I just saw this stat that Mostert had 19 rush touchdowns in his first eight years.

He got 20 rush touchdowns. 20, just this year alone. Yeah, this year. It's amazing what a change a senior could do,

which is why I say it's important where you go when you draft it. It's important going to a team that's going to utilize you to your full potential and not allow you to go to waste. It's important. Going to a team that's going to utilize you to your full potential

and not allow you to go to waste. You do realize. What does that say? You come to the Dolphins all of a sudden, you come to the Dolphins all of a sudden,

you got 20 touchdowns in a season. What happened if you could have had this production continuously when you first got in the NFL?

Well, his problem was he couldn't stay healthy. Remember, he was the running back in San Francisco when he went to the Super Bowl. Him and Jimmy G. Jimmy G. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So his problem is that Ocho, you know when you possess

that kind of speed, you got small joints. You can't have no block angle and have that dorsiflexion to be able to pick him up and put him down. He got dinged a lot. He's missing time.

This year, to his credit, he's been able to stay healthy. On the field, he's getting opportunity. Just like A-Chan. A-Chan. He can fly, but he's dinged. You see?

He can fly. He see he's so deep you see yeah he can fly he look he look small in stature yeah he look small in stature and they got him running between them damn tackles yes

yeah oh you know you know when you grow up in high school you got that kind of speed all they gonna do is toss it to you or pitch it to you

uh huh let you get outside yeah you gotta come down here hey even C-Mac Christian McCaffrey runs more between the tackles than you think.

But I knew he could do it because I watched him because Stanford has the most pros when he was at Stanford. Oh, Stanford, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a pro-style offense. Right. And so I saw him run between the tackles, so I didn't think it was going to be a problem. Problem, yeah.

But he's used properly now as opposed to just, oh, we just going to dive into it. He was the workhorse with the Panthers. Yeah. He was too much of the workhorse and they ran the goddamn horse into the goddamn ground.

Yeah. Which is why he stayed hurt and nicked up. Yep. But the balance that they have and the usage that they have over for him over there with the 49ers because you got so much around you.

Right. And you got to take the whole load. It would be interesting. You got to take the whole load. It would be interesting. You got to take the whole load. You know what I would like to know, Ocho? How much does he practice during the course of the week? Because everybody doesn't understand

these guys like a Kyle Shanahan. It wasn't like, you know, hey, TD probably got Wednesday off. Did a little bit of 9-0-7 because we had to say, hey, bro, you get 23, 25 carries every week. Yeah, especially the running back. And he's a smaller running back at that.

So you want him to get in the days off, give you Wednesday off, Thursday do something. Do a little something. Friday, you know, pick it up a little bit just so you're in tune with the rhythm of the game. Yep. And got the plays down on Fridays. Yep. And you'll be ready to go Sunday. That's how you work it.

Ocho, today is the fifth, is the Immaculate Reception after 51 years ago today. What's your favorite sports iconic moment? Oh, that's easy. What is it? That's easy. Chat, chat.

Y'all stay with me, chat. Y'all stay with me because y'all might not know this, but if you don't know this, I need you to use YouTube and Google once the show is over. Ronaldinho, my guy, Ronaldinho got a standing ovation when they played against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu, 2005-2006. He scored two goals. You don't understand how big that is.

Let me give you, for context, for those of you in the chat. Was it a basketball kick? No, no, no, no. He just scored two goals. That day, his performance was so good. They're playing away now. He's playing for Barcelona. They're playing Real Madrid at home.

So for context, let me get this to you. We're playing the Steelers. Let's say today, for instance, I go out there and have a day like George Pickens, 4 for 195 and just say two TDs. And when the game is over, the entire Steelers fans, the entire stadium stands up and clap for me as I walk out the stadium. Or as I come off the, get subbed into something. You hear how crazy that sounds?

Man, one of the greatest moments, one of the greatest moments for me, being that I love soccer so much, there's so many different others, but to me, that's one of the greatest moments ever is seeing Ronaldinho get a standing ovation from the away crowd at Real Madrid

for his performance in that game. El Clasico, for those that don't know. What about you? Immaculate reception was cool, but that goddamn standing ovation, man, in a way, you don't understand how passionate soccer fans are. There's a true

hatred and disdain for the opponent. Normally, I do. There's a true hatred and disdain for the opponent. But normally, I think when people think iconic moments, someone on the field did something that you'll never forget.

Like, the Immaculate Reception, you got Kirk Gibson hobbling to the plate and you get the call or you get Malcolm Butler doing what he did in the Super Bowl.

But that is a moment like that. Or you get Ray Allen's shot where he's backing up. That's up there with that, Unc. That's up there with that. If anybody in the chat, if anybody in the chat is a soccer fan, a true soccer fan,

please explain to Unc that that is an iconic moment that is up there with some of the best, including that of the Immaculate Reception. I think so. Yeah, I think so. Oh, Joe. But you what you say, look, look how many people watch soccer. I mean, that's that's the difference, because it's a global sport. Right, right, right. So, I mean, I mean, you're going to have 110 to somewhere 120, 125 million.

But the World Cup, you got a billion people watching. Yeah. So even if you don't, I mean, even if you want to say the World Cup, where you had Messi and you had what's the guy from Mbappe.

I was at that game. It was crazy. The atmosphere was crazy. What about you? Who you got? I know yours is going to be a Jordan. I guarantee you against Utah. The walk-off, or you could say the moment where he going against the Lakers

and he's going to dunk it, and then he goes this. And he switched, he switched hands. Yeah, man. That was nice. That was nice. It's tough. It's,

it's so many, it's so many moments though. Yeah. I remember the miracle on ice. Oh, USA. Yeah. Was that Russia,

right? Yeah. Russia. Yeah. It was against Russia. Uh, man, I would probably go, Was that Russia, right? Was it Russia? Yeah, it was against Russia. Man, I would probably go Ray Allen shot.

Game six, NBA finals. Oh, in the corner, the corner three. When the goddamn Heat fans, when the Heat fans was walking out the goddamn arena. Walking out, they had already walked out. Because remember, remember, they had already started to rope the court off. They were bringing the champagne out for the Spurs to celebrate. Right, right. Because they had just filed.

I mean, they had filed. And what happened was Manu made one of one, made one, missed one, and Kawhi made one, missed one. So it left it as a three-point ball game. And they ended up taking Tim Duncan out of the ball game. So that's why Chris Bosh was able to grab the rebound.

And through all that, to be able to hear Ray saying, CB, CB, and Ray gets the ball backpedaling, doesn't look down, lets it go. If he misses, it's over. If he misses the shot, backpedaling, doesn't look down, lets it go. If he misses, it's over. If he misses the shot, it's over. Yeah, yeah. Because you're down three, there's not enough time to do anything

else. That was clutch. You saw his release, how fast he released the ball? Man. I mean, it's been, I mean, maybe Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson in Japan. Ooh. Mmm. I mean. That is maybe uh Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson in Japan oh that's that's that is it that's an iconic moment yeah that changed that jet that changed the direction of Tyson's career which was still great yeah yeah uh yeah I mean Malcolm Butler to make that play

to see it because we've seen guys like, get a great jump on the ball. And what they do, they drop it. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He's like, oh, oh. And you know, they do it. Oh, Joe, you better do this right here. Oh, I was this close. That this close.

And you know the funny thing about it on that Malcolm Butler play? Yes. It's about being able to recognize the route recognition or the switch release. And most of the time, the receiver always gets there first. Yes. Talk about being able to recognize the route recognition or the switch release. And most of the time, the receiver always gets there first. Yes. Nine times out of 10. And just this one time,

how you knew it was coming and you beat the receiver to the punch? Ocho. They should have checked out of it because here's the thing. Once Browner, once he pressed the inside, you're done.

Yeah. He has to be off so he can rub to make him go over. See, the problem was, Browner jammed it. So now, Malcolm Butler can come right now. There's nothing, there's no interference. There's no obstacles in his way.

That's why he was able to get there so goddamn fast. That's it. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So, because the thing is, somebody got to press, somebody's got to play off. So Brandon Brown says, I'm pressing. Malcolm Butler's off. So now he stymies it.

Malcolm Butler goes because he knows what's coming now. He saw it right away. Yes. And see, there's really nothing to hold him because if I'm not mistaken, they motion Marshawn the other way. So, you know, it's not a run because there's no back in the back for you. Back in the back for you. See all of that. OK, no back, no threat of run. Boom. We haven't seen them run the quarterback draw. I'm not worried about it because even if they run the quarterback draw, that's not my responsibility.

I got one responsibility. Beat the receiver to the point. Now, check this out. Guess what happens if they run a fade? Ooh. No. What if he went in and came back out? Yep.

Yep. Kind of like you see Kansas City did that last year with two routes. Routes. Yeah. Darius Toney started. Go. Sky Moore did it toarius Toney started, go. Sky Moore get into the other side. Got him. That would have been nasty.

But you know what, Ocho? I'm telling you. Why you don't hand it off to Beast Mode in that situation? I think they wanted Russell Wilson to be the hero. It seems like that. Because here's the thing, Ocho.

I'm telling you. Jump this. You see this formation. If they run the fade, if they run a speed out, if they run a whip route, that's on me. Yeah. If they catch this ball, that's on you. Right. Anything other than that, I'm going to take it. I'm going to say what we studied on tape, when we see this alignment, we saw this, this is what they did 100% of the time.

If they do something else out of this formation, I'm going to go up there to the podium and say, that's on me. The way we coached them to do, we coached them to do that. And you got to live with it. You got to live with Ocho. You got to live with it. You're right. I got one more.

I got one more. I'm asking, I want to know what the chat thinks as well, the people that are listening and watching. Can we put Odell's catch with the Giants, the one-hander, that I think eclipses him and makes him somewhat of an icon

in today's game? Well, what happened? It put him on the map. Can that be an iconic moment? It put him on the map. But what was so special? You know they got crushed that game. They got beat by like 25 points.

Wait, they lost to the Cowboys that game? They got the brakes beat off them. You know what, the fact that I don't remember them losing that game because the catch had become really the headlines even though they lost. Yeah, the catch. Because Collinworth said it's the greatest catch he had ever seen.

So that is iconic moment to you then as well. Yeah, for sure. Okay, okay, okay. David Tyree's catch with his helmet. A guy that's a special teamer. Rodney Harrison is one of the better safeties of his era. He couldn't get that ball out. He couldn't get it out.

Couldn't get it out. And they showed the clip. He couldn't get it out. Couldn't get it out. And they showed the clips. He couldn't catch anything that week. That Friday at practice, the ball beat him up. Right, right. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Yeah, and then he makes the most difficult catch of all.

And saved him. He saved him. And now we know Coach Belichick in a situation like that, bomb blitz. So now, okay, all you got to do, Eli, do not throw this ball out of bounds. He's one-on-one. Guys play it

off. I lean him inside because I know I got to protect the inside because I don't want to get... And no. He hit Plex. Ball game. That's all she wrote. But that was tremendous. But they've been so many. Roger Maris.

Oh, my God. When he hit the home run in the bottom of the ninth to beat the Yankees. Yo, I'm tripping. We both play football. One of the greatest comebacks of all time. Patriots-Falcons, 28- oh yeah we thinking the game is over but that's what you got but see it for a moment it's got to be one play it's got to be one thing it can't be okay one play okay okay okay okay okay okay okay yeah okay so yeah it's been some it's been some. It's been some. It's too many.

The Statue of Liberty play when Boise State beat Oklahoma. Oh, was it behind the back? Yeah. Behind the back thing? Yeah, that was slick. I remember that. Yeah. That was real slick.

Yeah. I didn't even know what the damn ball was. Yeah. That was a... Joseph Parker stuns Deontay Wilder with a unanimous decision. Wilder suffered only his third defeat of his professional career as Joseph Parker earned a unanimous decision victory in the world heavyweight fight heavyweight fight in Saudi Arabia. Devin Bell asked Ocho, who are your top five boxers today? Keep doing your thing. Oh, that's a good question.

Yeah. Listen, again, for me, preference. Bud. Got to be out. Bud, number one pound for my Bud. Jerron Ennis. Okay. I don't know if you watch Boots.

Yeah, man. Listen, that's my dog, Boots. I don't know if you watch Boots. Yeah, man. Listen, that's my dog, Boots. I'm not thinking about belts and all that stuff. I ain't thinking about all that, man. I'm talking about that I like styles.

For me, I'm flashy. So I like those type of fighters. Shakur. Devin Haney. Tank. Yeah. Caleb Plant. type of fighters. Shakur, Devin Haney, Tank, Caleb Plant. You notice, you look at the style of the fighters I'm naming, I'm not again, people in the chat that

also watch boxing, I'm not talking about belts and accolades and all that. I'm talking about the types of fighters I like. Canelo's cool, but he's technically sound, ring IQ, he's Canelo's cool, but he's not. He's technically sound, ring IQ. He's really good defensively. But it's not.

I need a little bit more flash to it. No disrespect to him and what he's been able to accomplish. But those I name, them is like, oh, that. And you know what else I learned about boxing, too? What is? You see how I love everybody. Yeah. When it comes to football, you see how I never talk about anybody. For some reason, I have a feeling if you have a fighter that you like, you have to you have to only like that fighter and you really can't like the rest of them.

Like you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer. Like, you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer. And that just don't work with me. I love all them motherfuckers, and I have an appreciation for the sweet science and what they do in the ring. And for some reason, I think I'm not supposed to feel like that, which is really weird because I think in the boxing world, it's a little different. You have to be a fan of this fighter. And if you like them, you can't like nobody else. I get that, like, this weird feeling a little bit and i don't i don't like that well i think i like boots i like

bud i like tank i like shakur i like kayla plant i like the the the flashy flamboyant type fighters you know that get in and get out devin haney i like that and you don't want to know you know what else about all those people i just named? What? I beat their ass. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that because you named so many fighters in the same weight class, like if you said, okay, I like this heavyweight fighter. I like him at the heavyweight. I like him at the super middleweight. I like him at the light heavy.

I like him at the welter. I like him at the junior. You know, it's kind of like in the 80s. I mean, when the four horsemen, when you had Sugar Ray,ggler and hearns haggler yeah okay if you like haggler haggler was your guy if you like hearns hearns was your guy if you like duran man duran was your guy and then you had the fifth guy kind of on the outside was iran barkley that's saquon's uncle um right but so so you understand you understand that i think it's somewhat almost somewhat like I counted on the outside was I ran Barkley. That's Saquon's uncle. Right. But so,

so you understand, you understand that that thing is somewhat almost somewhat like an unwritten rule. Like if you, if that's your guy, you stick that guy and you can't switch sides.

Like, I don't like that. Like, I hope, I hope the boxers out there. I hope they see this. I like all y'all. I like all y'all.

I'm a support all y'all. And if y'all want smoke, we can, we can spar. We can spar. If y'all, if y'all want I like all y'all. I'm going to support all y'all. And if y'all want smoke, we can spar. We can spar if y'all want to go. Like, dude. They hit you in your ribs and make you pee on yourself. Man, I whoop all. I whoop all.

Man, them boys don't know how to play with me, man. Ocho. I'm out of the city, man. I don't care nothing about that. I don't care about no belts. I don't care about no pound for pound. Ocho, you got started too late. You're not going to see no punches.

I ain't get started too late. Man, I've been fighting since 1972. What did you talk about got started too late? No., you got started too late. You're not going to see no punches. I ain't get started too late. Man, I've been fighting since 1972. What did you talk about got started too late? I've been using these. I've been using these. Fighting in Liberty City and fighting in that ring. I've been using these, man. I've been a warrior, B. What you talk about, son?

Stop playing with my top, B. Bad look here, Ocho. No, but all jokes aside, no, for real, all jokes aside, I love them dudes. I love them dudes because their style of fighting is entertaining. Remain Private asked,

who you like, Ocho? Tank versus Devin Haney at 140. Now. That's a good one. Ain't no good day to what he asked you. He ain't saying it was a good fight. Let me talk about the logistics of the fight. That's why he said obviously it was a good fight. All right, let me talk about the logistics of the fight. Well, the logistics is going to be in Vegas.

It's going to be in Vegas. Matter of fact, that could be a $100 million purse because he ain't got to go to Vegas. We could take it to Saudi Arabia. It's something about fights that happen in Vegas. All the biggest fights. Listen to me now. We could take it to Saudi Arabia for $100 million purse.

If you really want to talk. But anyway, listen, Tank versus Haney. They don't need to do it now. They need to continue to let the hype continue to build. Continue to build. It will be a great fight. It will be a great fight. How it's going to go, I'm not sure.

What is Devin going to do? He's going to keep him at length. Keep him at length. But we know Tank. We've all watched Tank fight. Listen, he'll take one or two just to get up in there, and he'll let go. But Devin ain't sitting still. He's getting in and getting out.

Getting in and getting out. He's defensively sound. Great footwork, as does Tank. I mean, listen, it's a chess match between two great chess players, and when that fight does happen, I can't wait. And then again, I like both of them. Who do I root for? I like

both of them. That's why I don't like that. If you like this fighter, you can't like no... Nah, man. I'm rooting for Bud. I'm rooting for Tank. I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm rooting for Boots. Hey, what, Boots? Man, let me take my glasses off, boy. Boots?

Bud will make him put it right back on. Listen. Bud will make him put it right back on. Stop playing with it. Hey, listen. Listen, you're trying to start something. I ain't trying to start nothing. Hey, Boots and Earl.

I mean, not Earl. Boots and goddamn Bud, they toolbox. I'm saying they toolbox. You know how you got tools when it's time to go to work? Yeah. Boy, them boys got a toolbox, boy. For sure.

Boy, them boys got a toolbox, boy. I beat their ass, but they got a toolbox. I respect them boys. I know they're going to see this and if they want to fight, they know where to find me. Choose one.

I'm in Philly every Monday. Choose one, Ocho. You got to choose one. You want Blue Seniors or you want Bud? You want Tank or you want Hayden? Don't do that. No, don't do that. You got to choose Ocho.

That's what we do. Don't do that. I just explained to you. I love these boys. So let me ask you a question. Now you're telling me to pick one. So let me ask you a question. I just said that.

How the hell I get you on ESPN? They ask you to pick the Cowboys and the Bills, and you say I like both of them. That's the problem. That's not the problem. You know what the problem is? You're an analyst. The problem is you can't handle the truth. You like both of them. Do you

understand what your job is? Do you understand your job? Right. My job. Let me tell you what my job is. I know my job and I know my purpose. My purpose is to enjoy the sweet science and to appreciate. You're not a player. You're an analyst. Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish? Yes.

Let me finish. My job is to appreciate the sweet science. As someone who does it, part time is a hobby and has submerged himself in it if i tell you i like two fighters or like four i like five don't ask me who i like between two of them that i enjoy watching oh is that a problem yes that shouldn't be a problem you are an analyst you can like two things and have to pick one. You can like ice cream. You can like hamburgers and pick one over the other. Why can't I eat the hamburger and the ice cream?

Why can't I have the hamburger and the ice cream? You understand why now? Do you understand why now? Why now what? What is the chat saying? The chat says they understand why Shanna won't bring you on first tape. Because you have to pick one or the other.

Well, you know what? You know what? I don't want to go on first tape no more. I don't want to go. I ain't changing for nobody. I ain't even following the NFL rules, and I ain't changing that. Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

Yes, you did. No, no. Yes, you did. That's fine. Let me ask you a question. I ain't going. Let me ask you a question. I ain't going. I like Bud, and I ain't changed. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. No, no. Yes, you did. That's fine. Let me ask you a question. I ain't going. Let me ask you a question. I ain't going.

I like Bud and I like Bud. If you didn't follow the NFL rules, why did you wear home jersey or weight? Why did you wear weight jerseys at home if you didn't follow the rules? Because they wouldn't give me... Stop playing. Exactly.

You did follow the rules. You know what I'm talking about. I ain't following the rules. They took all my little change. Let me ask you a question. If you ain't follow the rules, why you ain't lining up off sides? Why I ain't following no rules. Yeah, you did. They took all my little change. Let me ask you a question. If you ain't following the rules, why you ain't lining up off sides? Why you ain't running stuff like Canada?

You know, in Canada, you can get the most. You can get a pretty good... Ocho. Ocho. Here's the thing, Ocho. Ocho. I'm just...

Ocho, listen. I'm just telling you what this chat's saying. Ocho. I don't care about the chat. Ocho. I don't care about the chat. I don't care about the chat. This is how we make... Lord, have mercy.

Hey, you think I've been one way, right? Listen to me. I've been one way always. I've always been one way. You want to know why we are where we are, where we at? Because I'm remaining my true authentic self when you trying to get me to change and I'm never going to change. That's why

this is going to work. I'm never changing so stop asking me. I like both and I like boots and it's going to stay like that. I don't care what the Simone Biles husband old tweets resurfaced. Jonathan Owens, who didn't know anything about

Simone Biles, in 2012 said, damn, Gabby is good, which means he knows something about gymnastics. Gabby with the goal. Gabby just need to get her bottom teeth fixed, and then her smile would be cool. Why is there an Asian coach

coaching the U.S. girls? So let me get this straight. You know who Gabby Douglas is. And outside of Mary Lou Retton, the only American gymnast that can rival Simone Biles is Mary Lou Retton. Not Gabby Douglas. Not Nastia Lukens. Not any of them. Not any of them.

Not Dominique Mochiano. Not Dominique Dawes. Not, what's the little one, Carrie Strug. None of them can command the presence other than Mary Lou, who won the Olympics on American soil in 1984. And she was on everything.

I'm old enough to remember. That was probably a little bit before your time, Ocho. But I remember it. I know you talk about, though. I know you talk about it. Yeah. Simone and Mary Lou are the most popular American gymnasts. Now, you talking about that Gabby Douglas.

And they nicknamed her the fine squirrel. I know all the things they said about her hair. She needed to get her hair straightened. And she needed to do this. And I get all squirrel. I know all the things they said about her hair. She didn't get her hair straightened and she didn't do this. And I get all that. I remember it. But you know who Gabby Douglas is. But you mean to tell me you didn't have no idea who Simone Biles was, bro?

Well, maybe he didn't. What if he is... I'm just saying. Does he actually watch gymnastics? Probably not. Maybe he saw someone on TV. Maybe he saw an interview or something. And then just tweeted it out. If he's not watching, how does he know Gabby Douglas was good?

How does he know she wanted to go if he's not watching? Right, right, right. It's not a rhetorical question. I'm just asking. Yeah, that's funny. One thing about Twitter is they will pull up them receipts, boy. So you got to watch

what you're saying. If you're saying something in the past, you got to stay. You got to stay in line and stay in tune with what you said because as soon as you

flip the script, they're going to hit you back. But is this you? Well, what you got to do is stop lying. If you stop trying to make yourself more than what you are.

Right, right. I'm what I am. It's the same thing. Look at Serena Williams' husband. That guy's a billionaire. Alex Oron, I think that's his name. How do you pronounce his last name? Oh, honey?

Okay. Ready. Billionaire. That's Serena's husband. He's worth a billion. Serena's more famous than he is is even though she doesn't have the money so you thought you were the catch and even if you even

heard the thing and even if you were the catch why would you say that to your wife what if they were just playing what if they were just playing what if that's the way they jostle around and play around Rail know how you play right yeah that's me my personality and you know how you play, don't you? Yeah, that's me.

My personality, yeah. And you know how Real play. Yeah. But I'm saying, look, there's certain things because now you making it seem like

she was thirsty or I ain't know who she was. She hit me up. Oh, I see you going with it. I see you going with it. You know what? That's funny.

You think people are maybe overreacting a little bit if they play like that and it's okay and understanding the delivery and what he's trying to say and everybody else is taking it wrong? You think are we overreacting on our end when they think about it differently or no? I think the thing is that she was a really good sport because I think she knows how it's going to come off. I don't think he understood. And that's the thing you have to understand. And look, I'm happy for them. I'm happy for her. I'm happy for him. She had this at the last Olympics. She was dealing with some dealing with some things. And I hope she can bounce back she's as good

as gymnast as I've ever seen and I go back to a long ways watching the Russians and the Chinese and the Romanians well the Bulgarians before the Soviet bloc I mean you know Russia had everything

because they had this big-ass country. And you understood why they was winning all these damn medals because they had all these countries rolled up into one. But it's just, I just, like I said, hey, like you said, Ocho, that's their house. Maybe they play like that. I don't think, I don't think, and it doesn't matter. You know what? It doesn't matter what we think, but I'm always mindful. Even if I play a certain way, when I'm in public, I don't play like that.

Okay. Okay. I think that's the funny thing about it. When you bring your relationship and your dynamic on how you guys operate and on how you guys are playful, then it opens up Pandora's box based on how you guys operate, on how you guys are playful, then it opens up Pandora's box based on how you guys operate and everybody else on the outside really doesn't understand that. Right.

And so I think that's where we are right now. Maybe they understand and maybe they play like that, maybe they operate in that manner, but then it's viewed publicly a different way because we dive deep into it. Right. Based on the context we had to go off of, based on the dialogue and what you said. I'll give you an example. You and I in the locker room, we in the barbershop, we with the boys. I tell that story.

Man, she was eye hustling the hell out of your boy. She could get, I know she wanted your boy because she blowing my box up. Right, right, right. Hey, you thought I had a page of the way that thing was going on my demon. I'm like, okay, you want your boy like that? That's the story I tell. That's for us.

That's never going to leave. I'm never going to put that in the air. But like I said, that's their relationship. I wish them the best going forward. I'm happy for her. I wanted to go to Paris and get that gold medal this year and bring that thing home. I'm sure he's happy for her.

Hopefully, I don't know because I think it starts like July 26th and I think it goes to like August 14th, 15th. It's about three weeks. I don't know. He's probably going to have to watch that thing from television. I don't know if the Packers are going to give him that kind of time off because that's such a long way to go and to get back.

Maybe if it was in LA because that's where he's going to be in 26. No, excuse me, 28. That's where he's going to be in 28 here in LA. He's going to be more crowded. I can't even imagine getting on the 405 or the 10 or the 110, but okay.

But hopefully, congratulations. I hope you have a long, prosperous, healthy marriage, and I wish you nothing but the best. Take off. He said, Zach Ann says, I've been married for 10 years.

Trust me. This has planted seeds. It would take work. It would take work to uproot. Love y'all both. Also, there was a, they asked him,

they said, list of professional people you wouldn't date. List of professional people you wouldn't date. The list, number number one only fans model all right that's not fair i used to be i i used to do only fans but go ahead uh military men

why military men and women get such a bad rap man can you explain you explain that to me? It's a running joke on Twitter. I think the thing is because you know one thing about a military man. He's going to be structured. It's all about time. They love punctuality. Yeah, but I ain't talking about that part. I ain't talking about that kind of running joke. But I'm just saying probably

they make time for others. They got structure for other people. Well, here's the thing, though, Ocho. You got to realize, as a military man, I'm only in an area a certain amount of time. I might be in San Diego. I might be in Norfolk.

I might be in over here. I might be over there. OK? I might be in Guam. I might be in Puerto Rico. I might be in Japan. Right. So, I mean,

there, oh, all I know, during the, the Vietnam War, there were a lot more black children that came back than when it was

when we went over, before we got over there. I'm just saying. And so, you go to Puerto Rico and you go to Guam, you get what I'm saying, don't you?

Okay, we on the same page. Right, we on the same page. I think that might have something to do with it. And then they had IG administrator, a lawyer, a pilot, firefighter, police, psychologist, gynecologist. Gynecologist?

What's wrong with the gynecologist? That's what I want to know. A football player. They got a football player on there. You know they lie You know they want to date a football player I don't know why we on there Ain't no reason we should be on there

The good devil is a lie Yeah And guess That was top 10 Number 11 A prostitute Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa How you date a prostitute?

I tried to figure that out Time out Time out I have a question Yes Hopefully I got a message Do me a favor Do me a favor real quick.

Yeah. While we own the word prostitute, right? Yeah. Okay, I'm going to stop right there. Real quick, read my bio. Read my bio to me real quick for the chat. My bio on Twitter. Read it for me.

Just to give you a better context. I hate the word prostitute. I hate it for me. Just to give you a better context. I hate the word prostitute. I hate it to death. But read my bio on Twitter real quick for the chat. Okay. Chat, listen real close. Listen real close. With an open mind.

Send me his link. I want you to tell me what you think about it when you think about it, when you read it. Chad, tell me what you think now. With an open mind. Are you verified? Yeah, put Chad Johnson. Don't put Ocho Cinco. I put Chad Johnson because I saw a girl

that had your name and she blew check marks. I said, well, how the hell did she get Ocho Cinco? No, I think that's me because my avatar is a Columbo, a black Columbo.

Huh? Okay, hold on. Okay, so McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. You got to read it to the chat so they can hear you. Hold on. McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget you're paying for sex indirectly, but word relationship changes the narrative.

Is that what we're going for? Yeah, that's where we're going now. Listen to it again. Yeah. I mean, I like to think I can read. All right. Rail just donated $50 and said, all men I deployed with were who were

married cheated. Who said that? Rel. Rel said she was in the military. Was Rel in the military? Yeah, boy, Rel, Rel. Well, Rel a trooper, boy. And she know how to work that fire. Yeah, she can shoot. We done been to the gun range. I lost twice.

Wait, oh, wait wait She donated how much? $50 What the hell we gonna do with that? We gonna spin it Influencer is number 12 A politician A truck driver Politician?

Yeah A teacher A model A carpenter And this is what I didn't know Was an occupation or a profession. A Florida man. I like, how the hell is that

a profession? A Florida man. Who added that on there? It's the 18th. But y'all know y'all Florida be on some bull jive. In the course of a date, if you look at the 10 most

outrageous, ridiculous stories, six of them from Florida. Six of them. You know what's just funny? If you look at all occupations, if you look at all occupations here, that really takes away eating everybody out of the dating game. You can't date

no goddamn body based on this list. That's ridiculous. I think for some of the people on this list, it takes a very strong person to date an OnlyFans model, a very secure man, whether it be woman or man, either way.

I don't know here, but I'm an OnlyFan now. That's what I be saying. She might have had a boy, but I'm an only fan now that's what I be saying she might have had a boy but I be I like that, I like that look, they got teachers, what's wrong with teachers? I don't know, models a carpenter, what's wrong with a carpenter, you know what it's like to have

a man that lives in the house that can do handiwork that's a plus, I can do handiwork, but not the kind you thinking. You know what I'm saying, don't you? You know what I'm saying? I do handiwork. I'm doing my hair. Mm-hmm. I mean, look, come on, bro.

I mean, they just putting stuff up here. I understand that occupation, like a police officer puts his life or her life on the line. You kiss them, you kiss them, you know, they leave her life on the line. You kiss them, be right. You kiss them, you know, they leave and you don't know. You just pray and hope. A firefighter, you're running,

you're running, you run in while other people are trying to run out. I get that. But man, come on, man. A truck driver, that's a hard-working man. But they always on the road now. I done heard about the truck drivers in the glory hole on the roads now I done heard the stories

so we know how that works this is the list of so I'm trying to figure out what y'all want to date next time y'all need to come up with a list of what y'all would date a list of people that you can date cause y'all got all this up here y'all ain't dating nobody ain't you

boy this crazy y'all that's crazy. Y'all, that's crazy. That's really goddamn everybody. I ain't going to date no prostitute. She ain't going to date you. She ain't going to let you mess up her hustle. What are you talking about, bro?

Listen, what is the definition of prostitution? Getting money in exchange for what? Sex. What was the definition of prostitution? Getting money in exchange for what? Sex. What was the last sentence of my goddamn tweet? Well, you said... My bio.

You say they pay money, but y'all call it relationship, so... What's the difference? Listen to it. Look, McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget, you're paying for sex indirectly, but the word relationship changes the narrative. Well, some of them charging too much then. They didn't cut the price. I didn't say they didn't cut the price then.

I'm just saying, you see how words move the goalposts depending on the word you use? It makes no sense i could i could be wrong or i might be overthinking psychologist i don't know i'm just like i said i i ain't gonna look here psychologists and therapists that's under the same umbrella or no yeah pretty much it's rough it's rough for everybody. But you know what? It seems like a lot. I guess because you look at the only fans, that's men.

Military men, that's women. IG administrator, that could be either way. A lawyer. I mean, a woman don't want a lawyer. I thought they like, you know, someone that's dressing up every day and going and arguing in front of court and winning these big settlements and all that, bringing on that bread. I mean, if you're a man, you want somebody,

oh, I want someone educated. I want somebody yada, yada, yada, you know? So I'm just trying to figure that out. A police officer, we already got to the pilots. They're on the road also. And I saw that Denzel movie. Flight? Yeah.

Flight was good, man. That was a good movie. A football player? What role a football player? I don't know what they're talking about. I don't even know why that's in there. I don't even know why that's in there because football players are great men. They are good men. Good's in there. Because football players are great men. They are good men.

Good. Good men. Not only are they good men. Yeah. Good in the community. Yeah. Most of the players got foundations. I mean, think about how many Walter Payton men in the year.

Yeah. And what they do in the community. Raise hundreds of thousands. Millions of dollars for their charity. A politician, okay, I'm a little politician because they lie. Yeah. Listen, you can't be a politician unless you lie. Exactly.

You got to be the greatest politicians lie because you have to do one thing. In order to get the vote, you have to promise us. Promise stuff that you would never deliver. You have to promise stuff. In order to get the vote, you have to promise us. Promise stuff that you would never deliver. You have to promise the people things that will never, ever happen.

And you have to make us believe it. The greatest politicians are great at that. Making empty promises that are never going to come to life. Mm-hmm. I agree 1,000% with you, Ocho. You ain't finished.

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$20 every time a curse word then you can donate that to a lucky fan after each month I agree I ain't even cursed yup

I agree I ain't even cursed yeah you can curse I'm just going when I've been controlled don't worry about it we finna keep a count on it

chat keep a count on it y'all good at counting cause I gotta I didn't curse the whole show today. I didn't even curse. I'm going to let them handle that. I got other stuff to do.

I got to get us in and out of conversations. I got to read these topics. So I'm going to let the chat handle that. Faith, who's one of our most trusted and loyal followers. Faith been here from the junk. Huh?

She's a mod. Hi, Shannon. here from the junk. Huh? She's a mod. Hi, Shannon, my amigo Ocho. Even when you go to McDonald's, you choose a side. I believe if you read The Art of War, you'll learn how to craft an argument without drawing blood from your brothers. You got this, Ocho. Yeah.

Art of War. I like that book. Maxie, Art of War is like that book I'm actually Art of War Is sitting over here On my bookshelf Hey you ain't read it But

What That's Mr. Gladwell Ain't it That son's you Nah Art of War That's Mr. Gladwell Hold up

Or am I tripping You tripping Ain't Art of War Mr. Gladwell. No. What the hell you talking about? It's one of the most quoted books. If you're a football player, if you do anything about competition.

I thought it was Malcolm Gladwell. I'm looking. No, I don't know. I might be wrong. I don't want to get up. No, you have to get up. Absolutely wrong. I don't know. I might be wrong. I don't want to get up. No, you're absolutely wrong. I don't know a whole lot of authors, but I know who that was by. I got that book.

Listen, Malcolm Gladwell, Robert Greene, and it's one more. I got a bunch of them over there. But, okay, I like what she said. I like what she said. I like what she said. Son, you. Oh, The Art of War. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't have that one. I don't have that one. That's a great book. But you know Malcolm Gladwell. You know what I'm talking about, right? That's a great book, Ocho. I got to get that. Baby, for Christmas, give me The Art of War, please.

Hey, hey. And just, I mean, just read it. So, I mean, just, I mean, it's a long book. But it has some great, it's about fighting. It's about knowing when to fight, knowing when to retreat. It's about, it's about knowing how to do a lot of things, get in and get out. Yeah. That underscore one underscore operator.

Ocho and Unk, what's the most you have to spend on a date with a female? I mean, I'm in a different place now, Ocho. I mean, when I told a story in the beginning, I was a rookie. I ain't have bread like that. I got bread now. I'm secure. When she tried to get that lobster?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was looking to, you know know I was looking you know I was looking to be crack me a couple of legs like Hunter Dundee

that's what I'm gonna do and see if all the King can put them back together again but I ain't got

nothing to do with that was a long long time ago not 30 plus years ago I don't even I don't even

behave in that manner Nikki Grant I think Nikki has been one of our is one of ours also ain't she years ago. I don't even behave in that manner. Nikki Grant, I think Nikki's been one of our is one of ours also. She's been here from the jump. Nikki, good people. Nikki, make sure we get your question. I ask this question to you guys

to every guy I know. So I'm going to ask y'all, what's the sexiest thing a woman can do for you? I depends on the guy. Because every guy is different. Every guy is different. Don't be buying no...

Look here. Don't buy no lingerie. I don't need that. Don't go to La Perla. Don't go to La Perla. I mean, Frederick's a Hollywood. I mean, that's nice. Biggie's Secret.

Don't even go to a cousin's Susan's Secret. No. I want you to come into that room a t-shirt and go back in there. That's all I need. That's it. Listen, for me,

how long you think that stuff gonna stay on? I mean, honestly, come on, chat. Women, and I ain't got no problem with that. I understand that you want to look good for your man. You want to feel sexy for your man. I get all that. The only thing I'm thinking, I'm in my head.

I'm just counting. One, because I need to leave it on for at least three minutes so she feel good, so she ain't just wasting money. So I'm counting. She's going, three, four. Ooh, thank you. God. Ooh, girl.

Yeah. Sick. God damn, ooh, girl. Yeah. God damn. Ooh, girl, you did it for your boy this time, baby. You got to fake it, huh? Yeah, all I'm doing is counting. I'm just trying to make it to three minutes. Because the nationality, as soon as she walked in the room,

I would attempt to tear it apart for her. Yeah, I'm just being real with it. Now, I'm just speaking for me. Now, some men might want their woman to have on a different outfit you know black I mean hey okay but for me honestly hey

hey I just hey now don't hey I do like some sexy underwear I'm talking about look at Ocho I ain't talking about the underwear I gotta put my hands in like the head to pull them down I'm talking about when look here, Ocho. Ocho, I ain't talking about the underwear. I got to put my hands in like the head to pull them down. I'm talking about the one I put my thumbs in to get them up. Right, right, right.

You know, you got the one. Hold on. I can't tell you what you got. Ocho, you know the one you got to hook your hand on. All four of these fingers and try to get them up. Just to get it down? Dude, I need the one I get the thumbs. Right, right, right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? I'm pretty simple when it comes to that. Real, real really doesn't like this. I like when her hair is messy. I love when her hair is messy and all over the place. She doesn't like that. To me, that is sexy to me.

When you have a bonnet on, it's weird. I don't know where it comes from, but I have a fascination for her when she has a bonnet on or she has her hair wrapped up. That is sexy to me. I'm a her-rapper. One thing I always ask, one thing I always ask, and I've ended relationships for this. Always have your feet and nails done. Always have your feet and nails done.

I don't care about nothing else. Ain't no excuse for a woman not to have her feet and hands done. I don't care about nothing else. I have my favorite colors. And real notice, OPI Funny Bunny, OPI Essie Blanc. Those are my colors. If you want to go cotton candy, I love that too. Because of your complexion, you know it would look good as well.

You know it's dark colors because it bounces well off the complexion based on what you're wearing. I can go into detail about this. You're doing too much, Ocho. I really love that. I love my bad. Hey, when you come in there and you naked and I see them quarter quarters,

I go blind. I don't even know if you got arms or not. I don't know if you got feet or nothing. Listen, I don't play about that. Me either. Listen, them feet and nails and just a tank top. That's it. I don't need all the underwear and like Frederick's and and I ain't trying to hear. I ain't

trying to hear all that. Yeah, I mean, look at my age, you know, I don't seen all the crotchless, you know, the onesies and all that. It's nice. Don't get me wrong. Right. Oh, she ready. She ready regardless.

Right, right, right. You coming in with a strong hand. You coming in with a blue jean. Hey, you coming in with a flip-flop. Oh, it's going down regardless. I don't need all... Hey, what kind of hat? A strong hat. Hey, you can have a toothpick in your mouth all I care.

Hey. That's funny hey at that point that's funny your name could be Rosalie I don't got nobody's name

nothing what it do baby what it do clock in you made it that's funny listen I don't want to

come off it. Like I'm ungrateful because I appreciate her trying. Right. Like I want to make sure I won't, I won't share it to know that I appreciate him. And I took my time to go pick this out. I think this is his favorite color. I think he's going to really,

really like this. And I am, I'm done. Don't get me wrong, but that ain't, that's why you got to know your man. You got to know who you're going to really, really like this. And I am. Don't get me wrong, but... That's why you got to know your man. You got to know who you're dealing with. That's very, very important. You got to know who you're dealing with because what someone else would like,

the person you with might not like it. One time. What you did in your past relationship, the next person might not like it. I think they call it love languages. Yeah. You got to know that individual love language link oh my goodness love language yes you know you'd be on the same page if you're on the same page y'all get to turn each page together yeah but one time now you

could do it one time but that ain't no normal occurrence every time every time every time every time we we out of town we go somewhere somewhere, or we go and you're changing. I'm like, I'm on the clock. Oh, I can't be standing until midnight, no 1 o'clock, waiting on you to freshen up. Hey, come on. You come up by the jail for all I care. I'm ready. Right, right, right, right.

Ah, that's loud. So, Nikki, I hope the sexiest thing a woman can do for me is say, come on, baby. When she say, come on, baby, I'm with it. You know what time it is. Real, where you at, Real?

Send us some money. She sent us $50. Baby, send us $1,000 real quick. If you love me, if you really love me, baby, send us $1,000. God dang, Ocho. Send us $1,000.

Earl Caldwell said, said ocho and uh how did do y'all deal with failures and disappointment i had i had a golden opportunity everything laid out and messed it up hmm well i know what that feel like you heard me we've heard me I know what that feel like. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Failure. Hold on. Failure and messing up? Boy. I went right back to the drawing board. Right back to the drawing board.

I ain't hang my head. Went back to the drawing board. Put together a plan, a six-month plan on what I want to do. And continue to chop and chop and chop and chop until I hit that goal. And I had to start small in small increments. I had to start small in small increments and go from there because it was building blocks for me to get back to where I fell from. And it took time. So I started small and then gradually as i started to have success in small areas i started to make those goals a little bit bigger and continue to reach them over and over and over and it was it's a tedious process too all we need is a little discipline it is

ocho um i look at it like this there are really no failures there are just delayed successes wait wait wait wait you ain't finna give me that good gym there are delayed successes there are lessons learned you see the thing is Ocho is that I'm a firm believer you never judge a man

by where he's standing because you don't know how far he's come. You look at the man that's laying on the street. But how about what if he was under the bridge just yesterday? So you judge a man by where he's standing, not knowing where he came from. You see, a lot of people say, well, Shannon, it's easy for you to say that because you this. But you didn't see from 1968 to 1988. See, that's what you didn't see. And you didn't see Shannon go to bed hungry. And you didn't see Shannon not take a bath.

And you didn't see Shannon get rained on. And you didn't see his granny crying, asking, what am I going to pay for today? Do I keep the lights on so you can do your homework? Or do I keep the phone connected so we can call somebody if there's an emergency? What am I going to do this month? So while you're judging me for what I am now, do you know where I came from? And did you know how long it took me to get here? See, all you see is my successes, but you didn't see the delayed opportunities that was missed.

Cry to many a night. A lot of people pray. This is not about me because I know my sister prayed. I know my grandmother prayed and they're praying. And if God heard prayer that I didn't even know he was listening to. For me, to know what my grandmother, my grandmother raised her nine

and took my mom three and I put it on everything. She loves us, her three grands, more than she did her own. It's something for somebody to take somebody else's kid and love them as they're your own. It's something for somebody to take somebody else's kids and love

them as they're your own. So for me, there are no failures. The Broncos didn't want to resign me. The Ravens cut me. CBS cut me. Fox cut me. That ain't going to stop me because I know God got something bigger. They close

one door, there's another door open. Sometimes he'll make you move because you know what? You weren't going to do it on your own. He said, you know what? You need, I've been trying to tell you to leave, but you wouldn't leave. So guess what? I'm going to give you no choice. Not what you're going to do.

Come on now. Come on, preacher. So for me, ain't no failure I'm a huge success I left Glenville Georgia population 3500 when I was there 1000 square foot cinder block 10 roof

no family 1000 square feet sometimes 10 people at a time no endo plumbing no running water and to get here feet sometimes 10 people at a time, no endo plumbing, no running water. And to get here? Man, please.

Because I already know. I know God will never leave me because I know he didn't bring me this far just to bring me this far. He's going to take me all the way on. And no matter what they say, they can't stop it. Progress must progress. So whatever they say about me, he loud, he this, he that. Y'all can't stop it.

Because what's for me, I'm going to get. Regardless of what they say. Regardless of how many times they use my name. No matter how many times they say they don't like me. It does not matter. Because I've got a higher purpose. Because I know there's one man I don't know how

many women, I don't know how many men, but I know there's one man that knows what's in here. Yeah. So all that other stuff they be talking on, Joe, all them facts, see, everybody see the successes. Everybody see what, man, look at, man man he seventh round

draft pick you know with the Pro Bowls and had all the records because when I left the game I had all the records of the tight end most yards in a game most yards for a career most catches most touchdowns had it all three Super Bowls had it all and a gold jacket

but you didn't see all the times that I came up short. But that wasn't going to stop me because I saw a bigger purpose because I laid next to my grandma until I was 15 years old and I saw her cry many a night. I saw her pray many a night

and I had no idea what she was praying for. But I believe right now she was saying, Lord, take care of that baby boy. He can be something. So that's what she prayed for. So that's my purpose.

So they do all that talking they won't. All that gossiping, they do all that they won't. I know me. And see, I don't care about the people that don't know me, that don't love me. All I need is the people that I care about to care about me. All that other stuff, Ocho that don't know me, that don't love me. All I need is the people that I care about to care about me.

All that other stuff, Ocho, don't matter. Yeah. It don't matter. We spend too much time. If you really understood how little people actually thought of you, you give less than a damn what they actually thought about you.

Because they don't care about you. You worried about somebody that don't care about you. I worry about the people that care about me that's what i care about all that other stuff oh joe we need to cut that out all that gossiping i don't talk about nobody live your life because whatever you do don't take money out of my pocket right so why i care i ain't got time to gossip talk about you for what? Because you don't move the needle for me.

You not put no money in my pocket talking about you. Why would I talk about somebody when God has blessed me tenfold more than he ever should have? Right. I hadn't been this good. But I've done something right in my life for him to continuously bless me. That's all I care about. There are no failures. Just look delayed successes. That's how you have to look at life. Maybe you didn't get the woman you like. Maybe you didn't get the job you like. Maybe you didn't get the man you like.

Maybe you didn't get the promotion you should like, but keep fighting. Keep hanging on. It's coming. It's coming. My grandfather used to always say, boy, keep hanging on. It's coming. It's coming. My grandfather used to always say, boy, sunshine follows rain. Even Noah, it rained 40 days and 40 nights. But guess what, Ocho? The sun came out on the 31st day.

That's something I always believe. No matter how stormy it get, the waters will be calm soon. So no matter how rocky my road is, it's move Salem ahead soon, no joke. I believe that. Yeah. I'm sorry for the rant, guys. I'm sorry.

That was good. That was good. That was good. Listen, I appreciate that sermon. Rell. Rell sent, did she send us some money? No. She said she broke.

She said she bought you a gift, and she said she ain't, hey, she said that's all she got. As a matter of fact, you ain't getting nothing for your birthday because you went all out for this criminal gift. Lady Ray, who's also been one of our loyal listeners, Shannon Ocho, if you could change or get rid of one NFL rule, what would it be and why? Amazing show as always,

guys. That's a good question. What rule would you get rid of? I don't even know. Ocho, I would say the uniform rule, but you know how we are, Ocho. What's wrong with the uniform? Because I'm saying, you know, let the guy

my college coach said, I can't let y'all go. He said, because y'all will come out here like an all-tournament team. You're going to have on ponies. You're going to have on Nikes. You're going to have on Adidas. You know what I'm saying? I know what you mean. We got to have a uniform rule because we already see guys now, Ocho.

Some of them come out there with socks. Somebody got orange and blue socks. Somebody got all white socks. Somebody got tight socks. Y'all killing it. You know what, Ocho? As much as the rules, they've legislated the intimidation. They've legislated a lot of the physicality out of the game of football.

I think it's good. We're at a different place because when you know better, you do better. We know some of the hits and the punishment the guys were taking was leading to injuries. Now, you play an inherently dangerous game.

That's what football is. You can't look. You can only make the car so safe. But after you get to a certain speed, still things are going to happen, Ocho. You got big men running into bigger men at a high rate

of speed. The dimensions of the field hadn't changed. I mean, look, I get it. They don't let you do the wedge anymore, Ocho. I think they still had the wedge when you got in, where we have three in the wedge weighing 1,000 pounds. You get two of your biggest defensive linemen and one offensive lineman, and they hold hand, and they come in and they try to wipe everything out.

They did away with that. The running start on the kickoff, where I used to get 10, 15 yards, go full speed. But I think celebration. yards, go full speed. But I think celebration. As long as the guys didn't do anything that was sexually

insinuated or they didn't do anything that was violent related, you know, the phone slash and all the guns. The celebration. Let them celebrate. Let them celebrate. Now, I ain't going to let you bring no phone because you already know

if you let people celebrate to the extent that they wanted to, somebody calling an Uber. Somebody going to have a pizza or a burger delivered. Ocho, you know they would. I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for somebody to have a burger, go to the side and grab the bag and start eating a burger right there on the side of the field.

I'm trying to think of a rule, a rule I would change. Because, I mean, the rules are so lenient now as opposed to when I was playing. I mean, they out there celebrating. They doing group celebrations. They hitting the temptations routine

on the field. They doing... Because back then, we couldn't celebrate. You couldn't celebrate as a team. You had to do it individually. Because once somebody, hey, man, back up. Hold on.

Bro, you about to get me $5,000. $5,000. Back up. Back up. Yeah. I mean, I just, oh, man, I don't know. I like the way football was played during our era. You know?

It was football. There was a certain intimidating factor that defenders were able to impose on offensive players. And with that being gone, I think everybody's a lot more comfortable

and relaxed with just doing anything out there. Like the one-hand catches. Oh, yeah. Well, you know that because of the rules, Ocho. Hey, man,

you wasn't meant to be parading over the middle of the field like that. You might have did it one time, but I bet you wouldn't bring your ass back. Listen, I'm catching and making a business decision just like Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt and Marvin Harrison. Pull the cover up.

I'm catching and getting down. Hey, I had a pillow. Hey, they kept a pillow. As soon as they caught that ball over the middle, they sleep. Business decision. You got to. Every time.

You can't tell. All those guys, I mean, you see Marvin ain't no size now, so you can imagine. I mean, and what he has now, that's kind of like old age weight. I mean, you know, he's in his 40s now. That ain't no, that ain't no. Yeah, he close to be probably about 48. That ain't no... Yeah, he close to... He's probably about 48.

I think Marvin came out in 90s. Marvin was in that 96 draft with Keyshawn and Musa Muhammad and all those guys. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm okay. I'm okay with that. Yeah, I get frustrated

because I think some of the stuff that they call it is that, like, when you call stuff, like the receiver, like Armand St. Brown got hit, man, you charge that man forty three thousand dollars for that that ain't no forty three thousand dollar hit come coming down and just button up on the safety that ain't no forty three thousand dollar hit jay smart pockets go ahead okay jay smart guy asked oh if you were in a situation where ray lewis hit you how like he hit Ocho, how would you react?

The way I did when I got up from the whooping? You don't even remember that. You talk about, I hit somebody. Man, look here, man. When you outweighed, you got to catch them. You can never let a guy bigger than you see you coming. I tried

to catch him. He wasn't even looking. It ain't work. The laws of physics are undefeated. Now, in that case, I should have won. But I tripped over my shoestring and it caused me to lose leverage. So when you have no leverage

and I have no base up under me, that's what made me fall. A Volkswagen bug gonna lose against a dump truck every time. Every time. Every time. You ain't a lie. Bingo said, love the

show, guys. Ocho, when you and T.O. gonna come out of retirement and help my homes reach the Super Bowl? Oh, don't tempt T.O. T.O. be, T.O. be, T.O. What they play at tomorrow? They play in Kansas City? Because if they do, T.O. T.O. be a T.O. What are they playing tomorrow? Are they playing Kansas City? Because if they do, T.O. will be on the plane right now. Boy, T.O. in shape too, boy.

Mess around and put T.O. on that team in the slot. And watch what happens. T.O. said, T.O. said, hey, hey. He said, hey. He said, Sean, man, hey. I can't, hey. I ain't going to give you no fidgets now, but I'll give you 15 good ones. I said, man.

I ain't going to lie. I said, T.O., I didn't want to. After, like, my mind, Ocho, because, you know, like I said, when CBS called and I met with them, that was the first time in my life I actually thought about doing something else other than playing football. It changed me. Because that's why they say you got to be careful talking about retirement. Because if you're not careful, you'll retire yourself prematurely.

And so that was really the first time that I thought about something. And then afterwards, man, I was at that thing for like two like they go to training camp. I saw them because I had a photo shoot the day they left to go to training camp. So I was having a photo shoot the next day. So I went by and saw the guys and everybody happened to see me.

And Mike even told me, he said, hey, 84, I know you're in shape. So if you ever change your mind, we got a spot for you. I said, Mike, I appreciate that. Mike, I said, but my mind is elsewhere now. You were checked out already. I was already checked out. And so, man,

and I told you, I said, T.O., bro, you ain't took no lick, even though it's not as physical as it was when you left. I said, but you ain't took no lick. You ain't took no lick. You ain't took no leg. They're bigger than all them boys right now, man.

All the linebackers undersized. They move sideline to sideline. It ain't really... I don't know. The physical aspect of the game is gone to where that don't even count no more. You can't even say that. Ocho, just people falling on you. Sometimes, Ocho, you know,

sometimes guys falling on you. It wasn't a hit. The guy just 250, 60, 70, 80 pound guy just landing on you. Hey, just falling on you. Come on, bro. You ain't have to fall. Come on, man.

You could have just touched me down. Man, they jump on you and everything. Come on, bro. Ain't even necessary. That's a good one. Prometheus, 1906, donated $100. Ocho a good one. Prometheus 1906 donated a hundred dollars. Ocho and Unc, could you fellas wish my dad a Merry Christmas?

He's currently deployed and watches every one of your episodes. Our family laugh and joke about you guys on the daily. It would mean a lot. Bro, I don't know your dad. I wish you'd put his name in here because he's deployed. We want to thank him for his service. And we want

to thank all of our military men and women for their service to keep this country because you allow us to do what we do because you do what you do domestically and abroad. So thank you for your service, sir. I wish you a Merry Christmas and a very happy new year. I mean, look, he said, wish him a Merry Christmas because a lot of times we have to be politically correct. We couldn't say Merry Christmas. We got to say Happy Holidays. Well, when somebody said wish my dad a Merry Christmas, I'm going to wish his dad a Merry Christmas because that's the way he presented to me.

So Prometheus1906, thank you. Your dad, Merry Christmas and tell him thank him for his service. Apache Hall, could you wish my grandma Gloria a happy birth, happy 72nd and 28th birthday? Hold on. Can we sing happy birthday?

Or are we going to get re-reflected? No, no, we're going to get re-reflected. She raised me to the man I am today. Happy birthday. So happy birthday, granny. Happy 72nd birthday of grandma Gloria. Happy birthday and many, many more to come. Hopefully you

I don't know what you wanted for your birthday, but people ask me, say, what you want for your birthday? I say, I want God to open my eyes. After that, I take anything else. Shannon, what you most looking forward to? Tomorrow. I don't know about the rest of y'all, but that's what I'm looking forward to.

A real AC say, hey, hey Ocho the greatest rock runner ever and the greatest ever in my life my wife's birthday is today can you wish her a happy birthday we watch every night happy birthday happy birthday we don't know

how old you are we don't know your name but happy birthday happy birthday. Happy birthday. Oh, my bad. Sorry. Rashard Lee. I don't know. I think I knew a Rashard Lee

once upon a time. Uncle Doncho, what makes a great route runner? That's a good one. That's a good one. For me, obviously being able to run the entire tree, being able to run the entire tree in man-to-man,

being able to get from point A to point B as fast as possible within the timing of an offense, and just getting open consistently. I think what makes a great route runner for me is imagination. Because you can't run it every time just like they drew it up on the sheet, Ocho. They got guys putting hands on you.

They go to 10, the guy's standing there. What you want me to do, run over the top of him? You got to have imagination. I've got to be able to be creative in my technique, in my thought process to do exactly what Ocho said get from point A to point B as quick as possible but that's not but that's the easy part now transition get in and out of that break right because we've seen guys and they throw that blink on blink blink blink and here come that DB driving and knock it down.

You got to be able to transition, drop the hip. Get in and out. That's it. That's everything. That's the whole thing. It's being able to drop them hip, transition. I ain't never slipped on a speed out. I ain't never slipped on a

basic cross. Nope. I'm on that thing. I'm on it. Babe. What? Yeah, I'm dead. That's crazy.

Hey, Ojo, your boy had more moves than the OnlyFans woman. You know what I'm talking about, Ojo? I had moves like that. Yeah, Ojo had moves like that. You better stop playing with her. You had them kind of moves? I was a route running extraordinaire at the tight end position.

You have to understand, Ocho, I got drafted as a wide receiver. So I could run the route. You already had the pedigree. It was already in you. So Mike didn't have a problem putting me out there running the bang eight, running the comeback, running the dig, running the shake, running the You was out there running the bang eight. Running the comeback. Running the dig. Running the shake.

Running the slip. You was out there running the bang eight from top of the numbers? You better stop playing with the back foot back. Bang! What? Yeah! Okay. I gotta see that. You better stop running the shake.

That's what it is. Ocho, come on. I got to see it. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Just pull it up for me. I can find it at NFL Films. Don't worry about it. Voodoo Lobster 79 donated $100 and asked,

Uncle Ocho, where would y'all rate Max Versteppen 2021-2023 F1 season in terms of all-time domination he won his third straight title won 19 of 23 ever 23 races which is the most in a season most points every season doubling his teammate who was second look uh schumacher was it i remember shoe michael schumacher uh hopefully he's doing well he had a very tragic uh accident accident that left him in a situation, a skiing accident. Lewis Hamilton. I know of him.

I don't know these guys. But, and that's all, that's as far as I go back, is Schumacher, Lewis Hamilton, and Verstappen. Come on, bro. 19 to 23 races. 19 to 23 races. That 23 races it's crazy that's great i don't even i don't know i think you drive for red bull because i think lewis hamilton is mercedes yeah you were red bull

i was i was the f1 i did f1 at uh in vegas i was the f1 here in miami great experience yeah great experience i want to go to monaco i want to go Great experience. I want to go to Monte Carlo. I want to go to Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo. They got one in Monte Carlo too. Where they got Lamar's?

I thought it was Monte Carlo. No? They might have one. Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo. You'll love that. You'll love that. I just, to me, I don't you'll love that. You'll love that. I just,

to me, like, I just, I don't feel right in that environment a little bit. Lamar's friends. That, that, that environment, it's,

it's, it's very. Oh, I've been to, you know, I've been to obviously Super Bowl. Go ahead. Yeah.

Go ahead. It's very, how do I say it? Very, like Beverly Hill-ish. Oh, they got money there. Yeah, there you go. There you go.

They got long money. They got Yaza. Yeah, that wasn't my type of environment, but I enjoyed the experience that I was able to see those cars up close like that. Brandon Robinson asks see, you know, those cards up close like that. Brandon Robinson asks, Uncle Nocho, who's your greatest running back receiver?

I got Marshall Falk. Yeah, I mean. Man, that's a good one too. It's going to be interesting to see. Excuse me. We'll see Matt Christian McCaffrey ends up. But in my era, you know, Marcus Allen was one of the ones

that could catch the football, played 17 years. You never, I mean, Al wasted a lot of his years doing him wrong. Had him running full, had him blocking for Bo Jackson. But Marshall, Ladanian, LT had tremendous hands.

I forgot about LT. Yeah, he's the first to rush, I think LT rushed for like 1,600 one year and caught 100 passes. So that just goes to show you what type of running back that he was. But probably Marshall. Roger Craig was the first to do 1,000 or 1,000 in the same season. 49ers. For the 49ers. High stepping ass.

Yeah. Rod. Yeah, but probably probably Marshall because I think Marshall is because I think Marshall could have been a receiver if he wanted to

because he had that that that yeah getting up out of there you know who a guy I don't know if you know him Eric Metcalf from Cleveland

I don't know Eric Metcalf we're number 21 man yeah yeah you know hey Cam was like that Cam I think Cam came out a year before me Eric Metcalf from Cleveland. I don't know Eric Metcalf. We're number 21, man. Yeah, dog. Yeah, man. Eric Metcalf was nice. Hey, Cal was like that.

Cal came out a year before me from Texas. Man, you talk about a pretty running style, it was shit. Yeah. Hey, he had to run track, huh? Yeah. That's what it was. He had that pretty track running style. Like a paladin pride.

He be stepping on him. But hey, that ended up. It get gold on him. But that ended up. Get going on you. Sir Kate King says, Uncle Nocho love the show. Huge fans. Two questions. Is Fred Taylor Hall of Fame worthy? And how good was B. Dawkins?

I only played against Dawkins once. And if I'm not mistaken, I think it might have been his rookie year. 98. Did B-Dog come in in 98 or 97? Because I played against him in 98 when he was at the Eagles, and I think he was a rookie. So I didn't have a whole lot of dealing with him. I'm a lot older than him.

Guys, man. I'm 55, man. Yeah. I played against B-Dog once. Yeah. The Fred Taylor question, without a doubt. Yeah. Without played against B-Dawg once. The Fred Taylor question without a doubt. Yeah. Without a doubt. 96?

Okay. B-Dawg came in in 96. We played against the Eagles in 98. That was the year we followed up our back-to-back Super Bowl. I mean, we beat them so bad. I couldn't tell you anybody. You know who was on that team then?

Actually, he the DB coach at the Cowboys with the Draven. Al Harris? Al Harris. Al Harris. I ran a comeback on him. Pull that up. And I ran a comeback on him and jumped over his head. I don't know about that, but I got to see that.

I caught the ball. I was so high up, he went, split my leg. He went underneath. I couldn't, pull it up. Are you sure it was Al Harris?

Green Bay Packers, Al Harris? He was in Philly. He was in Philly at first. I know, I'm just, I'm saying, are you sure that's the same

Al Harris we talking about? Yeah, but the other day to find it, ran a comeback on him. You jumped over his head? I went up there and caught him. He went up.

I don't know. All I know, I was so high up. He's like, hey. Yeah. Hey, Chet, somebody got to find that footage for me and tweet it to me, please. Put it up. Chop it up and tweet it to me, please. I need that.

Francis Senya. In 2023, if you see Ray Buchanan in a snowstorm and his truck is broken down and yours is running perfect, would you pick him up? Absolutely not. No, I ain't gonna pick him up. Well, there better not be no snowstorm in L.A.

If there's a snowstorm in L.A., some stuff really about to go down. Something wrong. Some really about to go down. But, man, I hadn't seen Ray in probably 25 years. Man, for real? Yeah. Especially with social media, social media bridges the gap

where it's easy to communicate with anybody. But a lot of the people don't be on social media like that no more, Ocho. I mean, we active on social media because it's kind of like our job and, you know,

kind of get a feel of what's going on out there because you never know. I like to feel, you know, you never know what we're going to talk about on here know what we're going to talk about on here or you know what we're going to talk about on on on on first take so you kind of try to stay connected but uh nah i hadn't seen ray in such a long time shauna king said uncle nocho y'all got tv networks

exec scared your your podcast in the future look the thing that I've tried to convey to Ocho is that, look, we've got to get a thinking that linear TV is our only option. Because for the longest time, everybody wanted to be on television. But pretty soon, television is basically going to be live events. The network's going to have live events.

And this is kind of where it's going. I mean, because you get Netflix, they want sports. You see Amazon is already into the business. Apple is looking to probably, you know, who knows what they're going to do with ESPN

or maybe start their own thing. Because when you got $700, $800 billion in cash, you can do a lot. So all we try to do, what we try to do is try to give you the best. We try to give you the best analysis, the best entertainment, the most information that we possibly can do.

And we try to give it to you in a way that is true, but it's funny. It's kind of like comedians. Comedians take live true events and make them funny. OK, we take stories. And although Ocho is sharing stories and they make you laugh, I share stories that make them funny. Okay, we take stories, and although Ocho is sharing stories, and they make you laugh, I share stories that make you laugh, but, and we say things in football terms, we talk about football.

I mean, yeah, there's a, I believe there's a time to be serious, and there's a time that we can joke. And I think the thing, we have a great balance of that. And so, thank you, Shonda. I hope so. But I just try to look.

I'm on television two days a week. I go there, Ocho. I bring my hard hat. I bring my lunch pail and my work boots. Yeah. They give me an honest day's wage. I give them an honest day's work. I come home and I start preparing for this.

So that's what I do. I give them what they ask for. They ask two days. I give them two days they be like hey Shannon can you do this Thursday and Friday that's how I operate Ocho but I'm gonna know like man what happened if he I don't know what

ESPN is gonna do I don't know I signed a one year deal and we'll see hopefully they like what I'm giving them and we can work out something long term. But I tell you what, I got Club Shea Shea. And I got Nightcap. So we got something, Mocho.

We got something. Yeah, we're going to be straight. We're going to always be all right. Nightcap going to go where it needs to go. It's just like Noah's Ark. Everybody better get on board now. It's too late now. They're too late. But I tell you what a lot other people gonna the format that we're using is that you know this is that that's that you can have a format if you want to it's only one

it's only one Ocho it don't matter what format you have it's only one of us so no matter what you do it's not gonna be the same it's matter what you do, it's not going to be the same. It's not going to hit the same. It's not going to feel the same because it's not us. No. It's different. There's a certain chemistry. There's a certain energy and aura that we have.

It ain't forced. It's just fucking authentic. It's organic. They can't tell stories like us, Osho. No, man. It's not, man. They can't. You can't replicate that. You can't. They can't tell stories like us, Osho. No, man, it's not, man. You can't replicate that.

You can't. They can't. And the thing is, I've lived long enough. I have a perfect because I grew up in the late 60s, early 70s. So I have a different perspective than a lot of people. There are not a lot of people that grew up in the era that I grew up in that played sports, out a lot of people that grew up in the era that that i grew up in that played sports played them at the level that i played and be able to communicate to cross a couple of generations and people like okay i don't sound like an old old choker trying to be hip right right right i'm not a new kid trying to live i lived it thing is, Ocho, I've been their age. I've been 35. 35-year-old ain't never been 55.

I like where you're going. I like where you're going. At the end of the day, just be you. What you see is what you get. That's what I am. What you see is what you get. Yes, I can be serious. I can be funny. I know a lot of different things about a lot of different things.

I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything. So, you know, when you ask me about Max Verstappen, hey, like I said, I go back to Michael Schumacher and I go to Lewis Hamilton. That's what I know. And I didn't think, you know, I didn't think anybody could be Schumacher

and then here come Lewis Hamilton. And then I didn't think there ain't nobody gonna be, you know here come Lewis Hamilton. And then I didn't think nobody going to be, you know, in the Mercedes. And then here come. The step and the Red Bull. And it take a lot. It took a lot of money to run those cars. Yeah. Well, here's the car.

Oh, Joe. How much a car costs? Oh, Joe. Do you know to fly? It's not like they're going from. They're going from Talladega to Bristol, you know, to Hampton, to Darlington, to Charlotte. They got to put on a plane. That's crazy.

Yes, and to move a whole team. Hey, they make a lot of sponsorship, though, huh? It got to be a lot of sponsorship money. Because people watching. Yeah. That's crazy. But you know the king of the cash cow right now, NFL. The NFL do about $16 billion a year.

Woo! What do you think F1 do a year? That's a good question. They said, like, I think NFL, like, I saw something. They said, like, there's a couple of things that do like 10 billion a year. But right now, NFL is king, man. It is always. And because you got Amazon bought the Thursday night

and you saw what they did. I think they paid $100 million to do Black Friday game. Yeah, 100 million. Netflix say they want to do some live events. Man, Ocho, I remember this was 1999. I used to go to this girl that did my nails. Man, Ocho, I remember this was 1999. I used to go to this lady, this girl that did my nails.

She said, she said, can I, you know, we just sitting there talking. She said, you ever heard of Netflix? I said, nah. She said, in 99? In 99. Because back then,

you order, you order the DVD that you want, you watch them, and then you send them back. She said, you know what? I think it'll be a wise investment for you. I said, what you think will be a wise investment for me? She said, I think you should invest in Netflix. I said, really?

She said, yeah. She said, I mean, you know, I don't know how much you make, but you probably could invest like $2,500, $5,000. She said it just like that. Damn. Damn. Hey!

Remember Blockbuster video? Yeah! Who you think put Blockbuster out of business? Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah! In 2022, F1 saw its total revenues 2.57 billion up from 2.14 billion.

So that just goes to show you, NFL did 16. So NFL did 7 times 7.5, so 7XD. That's crazy. Ain't only getting bigger. Only getting bigger. Does F1 continue to grow the same way the NFL continues to grow every year? Ocho, it's a big... They went from 2.4,

2.14, to 2.57. So basically, they put about $400 million. When the NFL increased, they do it in billions. Hmm. I mean, the cap, in two years,

you watch the cap, the cap will be $300 million. In five years, you'll have a player, a quarterback, making Shohei Ohtani's money. $700 million? He'll be making $70 a year. I don't know if they give you, it's not going to be guaranteed, but I'm saying on paper, it'll look like Shohei. Because you got to realize, four years ago, Pat Mahomes

got $450,000. And we thought a half a billion. We're like, a half a billion? Right. When T, you could buy T's. Mr. Boland bought the Broncos for like $65, $68 million.

Oh, that's crazy. Yes. The numbers are... That's... Yes. And in return, Jamarion World said, Uncle Nocho, I'm about to turn 21. I got the same birthday as LeBron.

Any advice for these next couple of years of my life? Love the channel. Thank you. Bro, what you want to do with your life? What you want to be? At 21, you you still enjoy yourself. You got to enjoy yourself. Got to have fun.

Don't take life too serious at 21, but have a plan, though. You got to have some type of plan, have some type of structure or something. But 21, you still enjoy yourself, man. Still enjoy yourself. You got to. But you got to have a plan. You got to have a little structure a little balance yeah

yeah a little balance just a little bit just a little bit because most 21 year olds you know most 21 year olds

it's all it's fun morning noon night fun morning noon

night and it's a routine and the routine gets stuck in your 20s when you're 21. And you stay in the same routine when you're 23. And you do it so goddamn much, you never break out that routine. And by the time you look up, it's too goddamn late to do any goddamn thing. I'm looking at it like this.

What does he want to do? What does he want to be? What's his plan? Because of me at 21, i was a senior i was a a senior in college and i had eternal vision what could help shannon get to the nfl what could help shannon be the best he could be his last year in college that's what that discipline coming up a lot of people ain't had to got the goddamn discipline especially you're young, to focus on long term because you stuck in the now. That's the problem.

It's the now that make you goddamn. The now, people being stuck in the now, that shit pass you right back because you think you got all day. Oh, Joe. When I was in my teens and high school and college, my body was in Glenville. My body was in Savannah. My mind was a thousand miles away. I knew there was something out there bigger and better for Shannon Sharp.

And I had to get to it. I had to see it. I had to experience. And I had to bring Mary Porter and I had to bring my family with me that drove me i'm talking about almost to the point of it that's all i thought about i didn't think about anything else yeah yeah yeah i mean i did stuff but i was focused and the greatest compliment that guys that i played with they they pay me. When they don't say I'm the best player they ever played with,

they say I'm the best teammate. Nobody was more disciplined than Shannon. Nobody was more determined and dedicated than Shannon. The very first day in 1986, I stepped foot on Savannah State campus. We had practice. I said, I'm going to the NFL. I said, y'all going to bull jive,

but I'm going to the NFL. Man, shut y'all gonna bull jive, but I'm going to the NFL. Man, shut up. You ain't going nowhere. It's okay. Yeah, alright. First year, Ocho, you know, I started a little bit. My second year, that spring practice? Year two? It was a wrap.

I make Black College All-American. I make Black College All-American. I'm the only true sophomore on the team. year two it was a wrap so i make black college all america i make black college all american i'm the only true sophomore on the team uh and i'm conference player of the year offensive player of the year obviously wide receiver so we go to the sheridan black college all-american banquet as a matter of fact the guest speaker was jane kennedy y'all know about jc you don't know about jane kennedy but everybody in this, anybody that's my age, anybody that's like 45 to 65, they know about Jane Kennedy. Now this thing for the light up. Jane

Kennedy was Halle Berry before Halle Berry. Yeah, she like that. Wait, James Kennedy? Jane Kennedy. She used to be on the NFL today on CBS. It was Jane Kennedy. It was Irv Cross. It was Jimmy DeGreed.

And it was Brent Musburger. But anyway, so we there. So my coach was Bill Davis. They got Coach Rob. They got Coach Willett. Coach Jeffries. Morfote. Who else is there? They got Coach Willett, Coach Jeffries, Morfote.

Who else is there? They got Coach W.C. Gordon. They got, I think, Gunslinger, Arch Cooley. All of them there. And so they're talking about, well, you know, Vincent Brown, they called him the Undertaker, went to Mississippi Valley State. And they said, oh, this boy really good, yada, yada, yada. Coach Davis looked at every one of them. Coach Davis said, I got the baddest in here. And they say, oh, this boy really good, yada, yada, yada. Coach Davis looked at every one of them.

Coach Davis said, I got the baddest in here. And he a sophomore. I said, all, he said, all them guys that y'all named, they can't hold account of this boy. It made me feel so good that he said that

every last one of them that was playing in the All-Star game, call it the Freedom Bowl. I'm going to be better than you. I'm going to be better than you. I'm going to be better than you because my coach said he would lead it. That's how I thought. If I heard my coach say something,

Ocho, I had a medial collateral sprain. I was a sophomore in high school. I was like 5'7", 155. I was small. Like I remember I told you they used to call me Pee Wee. So I hurt my knee and they took me to the doctor.

And I was 5'7". And the doctor, I'll never forget his name, Dr. Dewberry, James Dewberry. So they x-rayed my knee. He said, he looked at the coach, he looked at me, he said,

Coach Hall, that's going to be a big man there. I'm looking, I'm like, how am I going to be a big man? I'm 5'7", 155. He said, you're going to be a big man. So now, I'm like, how am I going to be a big man? I'm 5'7", 155. She said, you're going to be a big man.

So now, I'm like, I go home and tell my sister, doctor said, I'm going to be a big man. You know, I'll be a big man. Man, Ocho, I started, got to college, started eating three a day, started lifting that iron.

Yeah. I got you, Yodell Ojo. I got you, Yodell. But discipline is everything. You're not going nowhere without discipline. Without discipline, you can't do nothing. At all. It don't matter what it is.

Without it, you can't do anything. Chad, they keep it count. Four cursors. Chad, you owe $80. I ain't. What you? No, no, no. They messing up.

Listen, Unc, this, when I do this, when I do, she, that ain't cursing. Yeah, it's cursing. $5 in the jar. TJ Gamble, uh, go James drop out of it tonight. How long do you think he can play at this level? Fias, my wife, love this show.

Best wishes to you and yours. Man, he was sensational tonight, man. I think he was what? What was he, 13 of 19, 13 of 20, 5 of 5 from 3, 8 of 8, 9 of 9 from the free throw line. Who did they play? They played OKC and OKC. He had to stop the bleeding. He had to stop the bleeding. He had to stop the bleeding

because they was hemorrhaging. I think they had won one game since they had won the end-season tournament. And I believe they put a lot of emphasis on the end-season tournament because if you end something,

I might as well win it, Ocho. It's like, you know, hey, it's like I go to college. I ain't just go to college. Yeah, I majored in eligibility. But since I'm here, I might as well get a degree. Hell, I'm here. Why not?

Right. And what I'm looking for, they going to be in the class. They're not going to be in my room if I'm skipping class. Right. They in class. Right. So that's what I need to be in the front of the class. Every Friday,

sport coat on, briefcase. I'm going to be somebody. That's my mindset. I'm going to be somebody. That's what Reb, Jesse Jackson, I am somebody. Yeah. Believe it. Oh, Reb, Jesse Jackson. I am somebody. Yeah.

Believe it. Oh, Reb. That's Jay and Kennedy. Damn it. Y'all know about Jay and Kennedy? Who know about Jay and Kennedy in this chat? I had to pull it up.

I see it on the cover of Ebony Magazine. Yes! Found it in frog hair. Oh, she was in Jet Magazine, too. You remember Jet Magazine? Of course. Had a centerfold on my wall.

The Jet Centerfold, Beauty of the Week. I put it on my wall when I was in college. Okay. I showed it. Hey, they better not let me get no money. I'm going to get me one. Or two, three.

But you know, I'm going to have me one. You know, I mean, I'm like, where am I going to meet? Where am I going to meet these women from? You know, they like, you know, back then they from New Jersey, they from California. I'm like, oh yeah.

I had everybody. I mean, most of the guys, most of the guys, I mean, I went to an HBCU. So obviously most of the guys, it wasn't unique that I had everybody I mean most of the guys most of the guys I mean I went to an HBCU so obviously most of the guys I wasn't it wasn't unique that I had but hey I'm cutting the beauty of the week I put that thing dead up on my wall with that

scotch tape on the back right right right right right he said Martrell Virginia Beach said where would y'all race your Dora Sanders? He looks like the best quarterback since Andrew Luck. Keep going.

He's not coming out this year. This is really a crowded, this is really a loaded draft class at the quarterback position. Yeah. I want to see him with some better protection. Oh, he has some outstanding receivers. And as Prime told us, he got some more dogs coming in.

He said, but the main dogs he get on the O-line and D-line. He can flat out throw the football. There's no question. There's no question. I think you guys saw it. He can spin the football. I'm going to be surprised if he doesn't go in the first round in the 2025 draft. I'm going to be shocked. I'll probably go in the first round in the 2025 draft.

I'm going to be shocked. I'll probably be shocked if he's not a top 10 pick. I was with, which commit was that I was with today? Seaton, that was one of the. Oh, the old lineman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the old lineman. Well, that's a big boy, boy boy boy yeah that's what you need just call me chris said mad man me and my wife rose subscribe to the channel and love the show it's her birthday week

week damn i don't know who started his birthday week would love a shout out much success tonight cap uncle nocho we tuned in hey uh ch, Rose, happy birthday week. Man, what y'all do? I mean, when did this become a thing, Ocho? They like, you know, like the Indian family, like these prominent Indian families, they get married at weddings, and they have weddings that go on a week, two weeks, month.

But I'm saying, when did we start having, in our community, when did we start having birthday weeks? I think women, I'm not sure. I think it's women that started that. I think women have started having week, birthday month. Week, birthday month.

Well, they better have Oprah or Kim Kardashian or Beyonce money. I ain't funding that. It's Libra season or whatever they call it. I don't know all those fucking seasons. Oh, I ain't funny. It's it's a Libra season or whatever they call. I don't I don't know all those fucking seasons or what. Oh shit. Damn it. Yeah. Oh, that's over that for five. All right. Oh, Joe. Go to drop two of them. My bad. My bad. But but I'm not a

loss of train of thought because I was trying not to curse, man. Are you? Yeah. Women. Women love that. It's about birthday week. They talk about their birthday month. It's their season. And they celebrate the whole month. They do. I'm trying to... Come on now.

Come on. That ain't what it was supposed to be, Ocho. Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy. Man, when my birthday comes, my birthday is on

January 9th coming up. Real and be trying to do stuff for me, going to dinner. I say, man, listen, you know I do not like that. Don't throw me no party, don't invite no people around me.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't throw no party with my money. Nope, get me a cigar, get me my cafe con leche from a Cuban spot, let me sit on this patio and listen to my Sinatra or my Michael Buble or my Harry Connick Jr.

and let me relax. I don't want no extras. My prayer, I say that prayer at 11.59 right before the ninth hit. Man, that's enough for me. Thank God for seeing another year because there's a lot of people I know that ain't make it.

Yeah. I'm trying, hey, you know, on my birthday, I'm going to try to shade the cover this year for a dog, for sure. Well, you're going to shade the cover. I'm trying to shade the cover for a dog. Yeah, I like that.

Yeah, I like that. Yeah. I like that. Shaking the covers. 56. You know, you let me see 56. Yeah. I'm going to shake the covers, huh? Am I?

I got to use that. I don't know you old, but you know I used to take the rug out and hang it over the clothes hanger and beat it with a broom and beat the dust out of it. You ever did that old show? Nah, I ain't did that one.

I like that. Hey, Chad, y'all know anything about that? Taking that rug outside and hitting it with that broom and dust fly everywhere? Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do at the whole 06, 26, 24. I'm going to knock the dust off my body. I like that. I like that.

Hold off. Hold off. Hold off until the end, too, now. What? Yeah, hold off until the end. Man, I'd be like Shermule with what you call a McGrath-Montoe Sherman. You get all that, you'd be wooly, wooly, wooly. Make your head pop off. Daniel Dubois can I get a happy birthday song for my

girlfriend happy birthday her golden birthday her name is Jessica Cahill it would mean a lot Jessica happy birthday I don't know what number it is but happy birthday today and many't know what number it is, but happy birthday today and many more to

come. Hopefully you had a very lovely evening. Enjoyed it. Did something that you like and you were surrounded by family, friends, and loved ones. So happy birthday, Jessica, and many more to come. Happy birthday, gang. Happy birthday, twin. Sharma Mabel said,

baby girl been tuned in since birth. Can y'all wish her a happy five month? If we need a babysitter, holler at me. Yeah. Happy birthday. Uh, hopefully,

uh, you know, I, my, uh, my grandson turned a year on LeBron's birthday. You know, I got me a little baby goat.

Okay. Yeah, he got me a shirt. I'm going to wear my t-shirt. He got his papa a t-shirt. I like that. I'm going to wear that. I'm going to give y'all a heads up. I'm going to wear that on Monday. Brandon Atkinson. I'm transferring

to UFC to be a walker. Any advice? UCF, University of Central Florida. That's out there in Tampa, ain't it? Yeah. Tampa or Orlando? It's one of them. I get them confused. I don't know.

I think it's Orlando. If you're walking on, advice, you know what you need to do. Yeah, you got to come on with it. You know what you need to do. Yeah, you got to come on with it. You know what you need to do, especially if you're walking on. We played them in my sophomore year. I did a number

on them too, Ocho. Central Florida? Yeah, Ocho. I did a number on them. They must not have been good back then. They were good. All I know, all I know, they came to see, they had a receiver and I back then. They were good. All I know, all I know, they came to see, they had a receiver,

I think his name was Bernard Ford. Hmm. Showed him up. All I needed to know, hey, who the best player over there? And what position does he play? Because if he played wide receiver,

when they lead his game, they're not going to be talking about him. They're going to be talking about, they're going to be talking about the other guy from Savannah State, number two. If he played wide receiver, when they lead his game, they're not going to be talking about it. They're going to be talking about the other guy from Savannah State, number two. If he a DB, he got no chance. No chance. Zero. What is less than zero?

A negative integer? All I need to know, what position did he play? Now, if he played D-line, I can't do it. I can't expose. But no matter what he played, whatever the best player was on the opposing team, Ocho, when they left, I guarantee you that they won't think about him

as highly as they did before I came into that game. I bet you that. See, if I was a DB, I would have locked your ass up, man. I like that kind of talk. I like that. Ocho.

Yeah. Ocho, I wouldn't know to be played with, Ocho. I wouldn't know to be played with. Ocho. Yeah. You, you, you. Ocho, I wasn't meant to be played with, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie to you. Ocho, I wasn't meant to be played with, Ocho. So can you think about Ocho? Think about this, Ocho. Think about it now.

Think about what I did in the NFL. Now think about what I'm doing at the HBCU. You thinking the same thing. You ain't got no business there. You right. But why I'm here? I'm a wreck shop yeah and everybody had to see me they still talk about it people at morris brown morehouse clark fort valley

albany georgia southern uh uh elon they still talk about that number two at savannah state hey if you you play receiver right i sure did so i want you to think about this you know i'm a better dv than receiver like i mean i'm just i'm just telling you i'm a better dv than receiver i'm just thinking about if i was lined up on you like like how you would have been able to maneuver because i'm so like let me let me let me give you a little example right like i'm so like, let me give you a little example, right? Like I'm so, you see, I'm always square like this, you know? That's what I want you to do. I'm always square, you know? So I want you to be able to have a two-way go.

You can't pull and rip because my base, my quads is right up under me, right? Ojo, you too light. It ain't about that because as you coming forward, I'm backing up out of there anyway. And I'm giving just a little bit of ground. And I'm going to make you reset the line of scrimmage every time. And as soon as you get ready to go, boom, I'm stabbing. Whichever way you go, I'm stabbing, and I'm riding the hip. Chop.

Who? Chop who? Me. As soon as you – I'm pulling you at the hip, though. As soon as you put that left or right out, I'm trying to break it. Nah. I'm trying to break it. I'm or right out, I'm trying to break it. Nah. I'm trying to break it. I'm just telling you, I'm trying to break it. I'm ready. I'm trying to break it. I would have been in your hip pocket,

boy. Like pocket change. Last two questions of the night, guys. Thank you. I'm sorry we couldn't get to your questions tonight, but we really do have to try to answer them all. Chad, answer this please. The rainbow dime drop. How important is that on the deep ball pass? I think Kenny has that. Explain

what the rainbow does. Rainbow drop pass? On the deep ball. Oh. Why you call that rainbow? You don't want to put that much in on that. The chimney throw. We'll let him call it.

We call it the chimney throw, you know, dropping it down. You know, obviously you try to give the guy as much room as you possibly can from the sideline because you don't want him to always have to pinpoint it. You know, I don't know what your deep ball was. That's a problem now today for receivers. Most of them always pin to the goddamn sideline instead of getting a nice release. They always just widen and letting the DB ride them off

to the goddamn sideline and not giving the quarterback no room where he got to make almost a damn near perfect throw because almost every time. Oh, Joe, if you think about it, once the guy releases, he's still, he's still, he's keep getting wide instead of stacking him and put him in a trail. So now the quarterback, he can throw it here. He can throw it here. He can throw it here. Whereas before that, if you let, if you just keep getting wide, he go right to the sideline. He can only throw it one spot here. Right.

And so what we try to do, we try to release, stack him, and know the ball's going to come 42 and four. 42 yards down the field, four yards from the sideline. Some people are 44 and two,

44 yards deep, two yards from the sideline. But Mike, the way we were taught it, it was 42 and four. 42 yards deep, four yards from the sideline. Every time.

You know what's funny about that? No matter how fast you was, that ball from the sideline every time, you know what's funny about that no matter how fast you was that ball always landed at the right at the right time, at the right mark every time, right, because you know the guy that's where the trash can comes in at so you put the ball at 25, you put it at 30, you put it at 40, you put it at 42

and you try to throw the ball, you try to put it in that trash can so, cause that's where you're gonna be and so, you try to put it in that trash can. So, because that's where you're going to be. And so, you had to set it up because knowing, I'm not even looking until I get like 25

yards. I'm just digging. I'm getting wide. I'm releasing outside and now I'm trying to get back in front of him. I'm trying to stack him because I want him in a trail position. Knowing that John's going to drop it in there. I like that. Patrick Willis said,

Uncle Ocho, if y'all had an opportunity to call a sporting match, what would it be? Call a sporting match? What I would like to call? You know, I would look... That's a good question.

Maybe maybe play by play since I already said that. Well, no, you. Sporting event. What you want to call? You want to call play by play. You want to call basketball play by play. Football play by play. Soccer play by play. you want to do a tennis?

Soccer, soccer, or football. No, soccer or boxing. Okay. I like that. I want to call a match Wimbledon center court. Ooh, that's nice. Ooh, center court? I want to be on center. I want to call a match Wimbledon center court. Oh, that's nice. Oh, center court.

I want to be on center. I want to see you. You call it Alcaraz and Joker. I hate that I didn't see Federer play. You see Roger play in person? I got, you know, I got, you know, look, obviously I've been to the I've been to a World Series game seven. I've been to an NBA final. I've been to a World Series, Game 7. I've been to an NBA Finals. I've been to, obviously, the Super Bowl.

I went to the U.S. Open. I saw Serena beat the Great Dane. What's her name? She just got married. She married Keith Leak. I mean, Leak. Used to play for the Golden State Warriors, the Knicks. What's her name?

The Warriors, the Knicks. What's her name? The Warriors, the Knicks. He played for the Warriors and the Knicks. What's her name? They call her the Great Dane. But she's a team. Oh, yeah. Wozniacki. Caroline Wozniacki.

I saw Serena play her in the U.S. Open semifinals on a Saturday night. So there's a whole lot of things. I want to go see the Olympics. I need to see the Olympics. And I need to see a woman to match center court. Then I'm good. Maybe go see Daytona, too. Boy, listen, Daytona.

You been to a NASCAR race before? I have. I was at Watkins Glen. I was a grand at Watkins Glen. I was the, I started the race at Watkins Glen. I love that man. That's the road course. Yeah, I've been to Charlotte. Obviously, you know, I've been to Daytona.

I've been to Homestead. I love sitting out there man, and the internet, the internet. Man, people don't realize how loud those cars are. I love it. And how close they are going 200 miles an hour. An hour. Love it.

But they have to... And the bank is so steep to keep them from... You know you can drive in Daytona. You know that, right? You haven't done that yet? Uh-uh. You get in the car. You get in the car. They have you in the car. You get in the car. They have you in the

ear. Oh, yeah. And they're able to control how fast you can go. How are those fast? Oh, no. They build you up to about 180, 190. Oh, you know I do this every night, Ocho. Does anybody know what this shoe is called

and why is it special? There's a reason. Now, you're going to see the real sneaker heads. What what this shoe is called? And why is it special? There's a reason. Now, you're going to see the real sneaker heads. What's this shoe called? And why is it special? Because they made it in two different models. But why is this shoe special? If I had to take a guess, because I don't know what those are,

but it's special because it has the gum bottom. Ah! Look at the Ocho! I don't understand. You don't know about no gum bottles? I don't wear Jordan 1s. That's it. I don't have any of the other ones. You don't know

about no gum bottles. You need to stop, Ocho. Who told you? I want to know who told you. Nobody. If you don't wear nothing but 1s, how do you know about the 11s? And how do you know about the gum bottoms? Because I'm looking at the gum bottom and anytime I see those... Listen, let me finish. Anytime I see those shoes,

the bottom is always white. That's my point. So who told you? Well, obviously if the bottom on those aren't white like they're supposed to be based on what I'm used to seeing, that must be what make them special. The gum bottom. Ocho, it's the fact that you said gum.

That's the part. You think I don't know what gum bottoms is? Please make sure you hit that like button, hit that subscribe button. We're at 500. We started at 528. Let's see where we are right now. I think we gained a couple of thousands. We are now at

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