Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Brock Purdy Stumbles + The Great Nutrition Debate

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the 49ers losing to the Vikings, the crazy weekend in the NFL, more first date etiquette, and whether nutrition is real.  #Club #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm happy. I'm glad to be here again. It just, it's something about today. I was excited and just waiting for this opportunity to be on the show tonight because I got so much to talk about. I have so much to get off my chest. And that's pretty much it. I'm ready to go.

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Nightcap is available. Unk and Ocho. The Vikings. Hand Niners. Their second straight loss. 22-17. Brock Purdy. 21-30. 272. One touchdown. Two picks. Kirk Cousins. 35-17. Brock Purdy, 21-30. 272. One touchdown, two picks.

Kirk Cousins, 35-45. 378. Two touchdowns, one pick. Jordan Addison had a night when Justin Jefferson was out nursing that hamstring injury. He had seven catches, a buck 23, and two touches. What was one of your big takeaways from tonight's game, Ocho? My biggest takeaway from tonight's game, I said it before the game even started,

I tweeted out, I said, Jordan Addison and Hawkinson have to have a day. They got to have a day. As long as Brian Flores and his defense did what they needed to do, they did just that. McCaffrey, well into the third quarter,

didn't have over three yards of carry. Didn't have a three yards of carry. Didn't have a, they stifled, they stifled Kittles until I think, what, maybe late in the third quarter. He had a, he had an over route. That was his longest, longest catch of the day. The defense did their job. Two interceptions, but offensively, I think the most important thing on why the Vikings won the game, of course they scored, but on third down, they were above 70% well into the fourth quarter on third down.

Being able to get those first downs and keep those drives going and score points is one of the reasons why they won the game outside of the defense playing some goddamn good football. Yeah, the 49ers could not get off the field on third down, and that's when you lose the game because you give them three more cracks at you. You do a great job. You off the field on third down. And that's when you lose the game because you give them three more cracks at you. You do a great job. You can stop them on first down.

You stop them on second down. And you're like, okay, we're one down away from getting off the field, giving our offense an opportunity to get back. And they could not get off the field on third down. But it seems like to me, Brian Flores, what he went to this game, said, you know what?

Christian McCaffrey's not running this football. We want the elite Brock Purdy. We want the ball in his hand, and we want him to throw the ball. And, you know, they got that swing pass to McCaffrey. They caught him in a blitz on the backside. They swing it out. The wide receivers do a great job of blocking. Yeah, blocking.

Murphy got to make that tackle, man. Murphy playing around. He got to make that tackle, man. But what did you take away? I'm looking at defenses and the way they're going to approach the 49ers, especially with no Debo and Trent, because I thought they did a great job of protecting considering Trent wasn't in there.

But they shut down McCaffrey and the run game and put the ball in Brock Purdy's hand and said, we don't believe you can beat us. Right. I think, well, you know what? Not only did they believe that he couldn't beat us, they did a great job, obviously,

of stopping the game, but the secondary played really well as well, played really good as well. Being able to stop Kittles with Debo being out, obviously, Trent Williams not being in there,

they did a great job in the secondary. I'm not sure what defense Brian Flores ran tonight. I'm not sure what it was. He played a lot the secondary. I'm not sure what defense Brian Flores ran tonight. I'm not sure what it was. He played a lot of man. Yeah, that too. But what is that telling us?

What is that telling us? Brandon Ayuk is out there. Are we saying that they can't get open against man? Well, he played, I mean, Brandon Ayuk, he caught some passes. I mean, they were going

to him early. He did a great job. Jennings got going late. But it was in between. You know, the turnover, it seemed like the 49ers were driving about to open the game after they pick off Cousins early in the ballgame. They're driving down the field. McCaffrey coughs it up, and instead of getting 7-3 out of that drive,

here comes Minnesota back. They put a drive in the end zone. And so instead of being up 7-0, 3-0, you find yourself down 7-0. Yeah. One of the balls sailed on Brock. I think it might have been a dig route. I think it might have been a dig route. He was trying to throw it.

It sailed a little bit. And once, I can't remember his last name. What was his last name that got the interception? Once he got that second one, I knew. I had a feeling he was going I had a feeling he was going to throw a pick because whenever you put the ball in the quarterback's hands

and you have to score at that point defensively you can cheat a little bit you can cheat a little bit because you know they got to inch their way down the football field

and not just take one huge chunk right but when you look at it you could tell early on that the ball was sailing on him he threw one early to Kittle and got Kittle hit in the groin so the ball was sailing on him early He threw one early to Kittle and got Kittle hitting the groin. So the ball was

sailing on him early. And so it felt like, you know what, it might be a problem tonight, him being able to control the football. I'm surprised considering they're at work, they are indoors and there is no element that's in play. You have a 72 degree controlled environment. So

I thought he would have better control of the football than what he showed. But give the Minnesota Vikings credit their defense. And how about Cousins? 35-45, 378, two touchdowns, one pick, and playing well in a primetime game. With no Justin Jefferson.

No JJ. We know we beat him up when he plays bad primetime Thursday night Sunday night Monday night but tonight he was the main reason he was the main reason

can we call him elite? for tonight? I'm just asking based on listen numbers don't lie numbers don't lie Ocho

but we gotta stop if a guy has a good game he's elite if he plays bad he's a bad. Can we what is what is asking? I'm just asking. What is Kirk Cousins body of work showing you over a decade? Has his body of work showed you that he's elite? Now, he's been up and down, but but what Kirk has showed us is that he's capable.

He's capable of playing consistent football and making sure and giving his team a chance to win he just hasn't crossed over that hump yet but he's consistently consistent in the regular season he's good enough to get there they just haven't gotten over that hump good oh look good enough to get where where we're exactly there into the playoffs yeah well yeah yeah they they always on the verge for the for the past 10 years yeah yeah he just he's like he's like he's not elite but he's like um he's like right there right right on the verge right right right on the right on the verge what's what's wrong with being in here okay if elite right here and the floor is right here why can't a guy be in between there? Why does he have to be this or that?

Okay. Okay, but listen, he's not that far below when you talk about the floor. He's right underneath the tier one quarterback. He's right there underneath. Based on the body of work that he's put up the past decade, he is. He is. All right.

49ers had three turnovers in their first six games. They had three turnovers tonight. And remember, when a team is down some of their best players, if you're a better football team and you turn the ball over, either you go down to their level or you raise them up to your level. One of the two, whichever one you choose to do. But that's what you do when you turn the ball over. But give Minnesota credit because they turned the ball over also,

and they still found a way to win this ball game. One of the things that they were able to stop, and there was no sign of, Brother Nick Bosa. Yeah, they didn't really get pressure. I thought they would do a better job of pressuring. Yeah, I would have thought they would have. And the fact that Kirk Cousins was able to sit in the pocket with bodies around him

and facilitate the ball at will was amazing to see. And the funny thing about it, this entire week of football has been weird. Would you consider this an upset? Yes, absolutely. The Niners were a seven-point favorite. Not only were the Niners a seven-point favorite, the Patriots beat the Bills. The Steelers beat the Rams. Obviously, and the Vikings just now

beating the 49ers. Who would ever thought? I know a lot of people, a lot of gambling and betting people are upset at the slate of games that happened this week. Well, this is one thing after watching Kirk Cousins

through the years, we know that you got to pressure him. And this way, look, this is not earth shattering news. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming telling you something you didn't. And this is what, look, this is not earth shattering news. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming telling you something you didn't know. Most quarterbacks,

when you punch them in their mouth, it may, when you talk about the greats, Montana, Brady, Manning, Elway, whomever, when you pressure them, you greatly reduce their success rate. But Kirk Cousins, we know, is even magnified because those elite guys, sometimes when you pressure them,

they still will look down the barrel and make a throw. But we've seen Cousins over the years, he kind of folds, he succumbs to a lot of that pressure. But tonight, they didn't get pressure on him and his stat line shows that they didn't get

pressure on him. 35-45, 378, two touchdowns and a pick. So, in this division, do you think the Vikings can give the Lions trouble? Because I think the Lions, I think even though they lost handily yesterday to the Ravens, I still believe that this is the Lions' division to lose. I think it is still the Lions division. The Lions are playing really good football right now. And I think even though they're coming off of a loss, they're going to respond extremely well in their next game.

The Vikings without Justin Jefferson aren't beating the Lions. And I think even with Justin Jefferson coming back and them having to work him back in slowly, even though he's coming off an injury, I think it's too much ground to make up to actually unseat the lions and winning, and winning that division too much, too much ground to make up. Okay.

It was announced today that the Miami dolphins will be featured on heart HBO, hard knocks. I guess it's for the rest of the season, right? For the rest of the season. Obviously they have very compelling storyline. Mike McDaniel.

Hey, he loves to have fun. They do his interview, and he takes off running. He's very animated on the sideline. He's very jovial. You got Tua in his story. You got Tyreek in that track team. So I think it's a very compelling storyline.

You and I were both on the show. I was in Baltimore in 2001, and we kicked off Hard Knocks. You were on the fifth and the seventh season. Talk about some of your experience with the cameras and having to try to offer the fans a glimpse of a day in the life of a player that's in training camp, be it a veteran player. Listen, that was one of the business, obviously, you know, when it's time, when it's time to get cut, but it, it, it was fun. It was very fun. Uh, just, just being myself, being authentic, being my organic self. And I really enjoyed it.

I really enjoyed it. It was the birth. It was the birthing of Child Please, one of my sayings, and Kiss the Baby and some other stuff like that. And it just allowed people to see a different side of us outside of seeing the finished product on Sundays at 1 o'clock and what I like to call the politically the politically correct interviews that we do on Sundays at the games I think that

that that's hard knocks is really good because the show the different side of all the players yeah it gives you an opportunity that the players getting ready uh the meeting time how much meeting time the prep work guys getting massages and the guys getting in the cold tub and the guys doing things to get ready because you break it down, you break your body down. And then somehow you got to get it back together for the next day of practice. And the difficult side, some of these players dreams will go unrealized. You made it there, but this is as far as it goes. You made it there, but this is as far as it goes.

And the realization that my dream of being an NFL player is not going to materialize. And now I've got to branch back into the real world and get it. You had a great run. You were probably a pretty good high school player. Good to great high school player. Had a good, had a very good, excuse me, college career. But that next level isn't going to happen to you. And sometimes watching the guys,

because you get close to some of the guys and you see how hard and how much work they put into it. And then to realize that, you know what, it's over now. Yeah, listen, that's a tough job. That's a tough job to do,

especially for coaches. And when you get there, when you hear that knock on the door, you know, and they say, bring your playbook, man, that has to be one of the worst feelings. And the fact that obviously hard nuts is cut it out. I think, I think they cut out that part where they, where they show people getting released now, right? They no longer show that. It's, it's, it's, it's honest. It's, it's just, it's just the truth of the business. And,

um, it's just the way it is. Obviously my childhood dream, it wasn't even to be an NFL player. I wanted to be a veterinarian. I wanted to be a marine biologist because I love dogs and I love killer whales. But the fact that grandma, obviously, with football being my outlet and something for me to do based on the area where I was in, because it's either you're playing sports and there's no other route. I definitely wouldn't be no academic scholar. I can be honest with you. I'm just going to be honest with you. Which you're great. You're going to be that in prison. Hey, listen, but listen, listen, grandma is the reason I was able to make it, man. And that day when I saw that name, when I saw that name go across that, across that ticker.

Yeah. She was, she was the first one I went to, man. And I told her, I say, first one I went to, man. And I told her, I said, Mommy, we made it. Man, she told me, listen, this is just the beginning of your journey. Right.

This is just the beginning. And then it starts all back over again. It's an entire different set of goals that I had to set and conquer. Yep, you're absolutely right.

And that's what a lot of times I tell the guys. I say, this isn't the end. This is the beginning. So now this is step one. You're here. Making the team the team now is it just good enough that you made a team what do you want to be I didn't want to be a guy just a guy I wanted to be the guy I wanted to be dependent on I wanted guys I wanted people to have my jersey on I wanted people to like throw the ball to sharp I wanted my teammates to say hey man get up man get up there. Man, get up there in the Sharp.

Get up there in the Sharp. That's what I wanted to hear. It wasn't good enough. Like, I'm on the team. Oh, yeah, I play for the Broncos. But what position do you play? You know, do you start? Or what do you do?

No, no, no, no, no, no. I needed people to know. I needed what, when my grandmother turned the TV on, my sister would turn the TV on to the channel that we're going to be on, that she knew her baby was out there. Yeah, I saw my baby. He had a good game. So that's for me, that was

my goal. That's what it was. Not just getting to the NFL, because I'm always dreaming, but now that I'm here, I can't go back. Right, right. Listen, I had no choice but to go back, because Right, right. Listen, I had no choice to go back because like my grandma told me, I got in trouble at Lanks University and

I got thrown out of school. And I told you I came home on a plane and she said, I washed my hands with you. I've done all I can do and shipped me to my mama. There was no coming back. So once I made it, once I got the opportunity in NFL, there were no more doors. There were no more doors I could walk through.

I had no choice but to make it work. And of course, I get drafted by the Bengals. At that time, we were the laughingstock of the NFL. And I got my homeboys in the hood. You know, we in Liberty City, we celebrating. Like, golly, Ocho, why you went to the Bengals? They laughing like, listen, give me a year or two and it won't be so funny I said give me a year or two and I will do all I can to make sure we're not the laughingstock of the league but I will make us

fun to watch again I will give that city and those fans something to be proud of I will make people happy and feel okay wearing jerseys Cincinnati jerseseys, outside of Cincinnati. And I think I just did that. Obviously, the end goal is to have a Lombardi trophy, but that's a team achievement and accomplishment. I fell short of that, but everything else I lived up to. But going back, what was I going back to? The reason I fought so hard was I didn't have to go back, go back to visit, but I wasn't going back to stay.

There was nothing. There was nothing. There was no gravitational pull. And that's what I didn't have to go back, go back to visit, but I wasn't going back to stay. There was nothing. There was nothing. There was no gravitational pull. And that's what I didn't understand, Ocho. I had guys, I had teammates in college. When I got to Savannah State in 86, and I remember there were guys, and even I can remember guys that were very talented,

but they like, man, Sharp, this ain't for me. Man, I got to get back home. I mean, be it was a girl, I mean, I had a get back home. I mean, B, it was a good day. I mean, I had a couple of teammates that had girlfriends back home and they were you serious timeout. Are you serious? Yeah. D a dead ass. Yes. They had to go back. I had, I had a teammate. I had a teammate. That was so good. He was, uh, uh, he went to, he got, he was, he went to the league.

I ain't going to call his name because I'm not going to embarrass him. But he wanted to come back and hang with his homeboys. He wanted to come back and hang with his homeboys. You dead ass? He was good.

His feet, his feet was as good as any DB that I faced. I'm not saying he was the best DB that I faced even in the league, but his feet, the way he could get in and out of breaks, the way he could flip his hips, but he wanted to be with his homeboys. Help me understand. I've been playing the game of football since I was four years old.

Having the dream, obviously, of reaching the childhood pinnacle of my dreams of being an NFL player and getting the opportunity to do so. And his first thought was, I want to go home and hang with my homeboys. But see, that was your dream. I'm not so sure that was his dream. He happened to be good at it. He was good at it in high school. He was good at it in college. But I mean, at a certain point in time, you have to make up your mind. How good do I want to be? And do I want to make this a career?

Right. Because you know, once you get that level, everybody, everybody was all conference. Everybody was honorable. Mentioned all America. The best got a breakfast and see the thing is,

this is what I tell people. Whenever you come to the Broncos or whenever you came to the Ravens, whatever award you want, we had to see what it deserved. Whether you were the Bucs, whether you were the Thorpe, you won a Heisman trophy, you were an All-American. I needed to see why. Right, right, right, right.

Hey, that's hard to picture, man. That's hard to picture. I'm trying to wrap my head around, even if that wasn't his dream, to be able to reach the pinnacle of being one of the 1%. Like, how do you say that and want to go back home? Go back home and do what? How many homeboys you had in high school that was talented? That were better than me?

Yes! And dropped out to smoke weed or dropped out to sell dope. I know people are going to see this. That's from Miami. I had so many people from Miami Central, from Miami Northwestern, Keeling High School. I can go through so many schools

where people were much better than I was. I was decent. I'm like, I like to call it, I was a late bloomer. I was a late bloomer. There were some dudes that I knew were going to the NFL that were much better than me.

And for whatever reason, I don't know what happened. Obviously, once I left the college, you know, we all lose track. At some point, we lose track of each other. But dude, there are people that I looked up to in high school.

To this day, I can name them off. I wanted to be like them growing up. Magic Benton, Markeith Cooper, Cedric Cherry, Snoop Menace, Lynn Coleman, wait, Menace, Lynn Coleman. Wait, hold on, hold on.

I can go. I got chills just right now. Think about some of them dudes, man. Tutu Atwell. I can keep going. Man, it's so many, dude. I want to be like all them boys. And I look up to them.

Not Cedric. What's his role? Man, what's his name? What's his name from Northern, man? No, not Samari. Because Samari played with me. Remember, Samari was a senior and I was a freshman at B-Chai. Okay.

He played receiver at Omar Roe. Okay. Omar Roe. Played receiver. Like, I wanted to be like them. And one of the things that kept me going was watching them play when I was younger. And I just wanted to make it. I wanted to be like magic. I wanted to be like, man,

oh my goodness, Tyrone Butterfield, Ronald Washington, all these dudes. I'm like, oh my goodness, I want to be like them. And I think the drive in me wanting to be successful like them is what got me to the NFL. And still to this day, I ain't seen these boys in so long,

but this is one of the few times I've been on a platform to tell them they probably going to see this man. I appreciate y'all because they is part of my motivation. I just wouldn't, I never saw him to be able to let them know. Yeah. I think a lot of the best part about hard knocks, let me get back on subject with the hard knocks is that when I had, no, no, no, we good. Uh, that's the the one thing that we do we get to talk about what we want to talk about i mean hey look people you you tune in for the football takes but you stay for the stories

uh but i had because i i thought like kind of like after we did it it kind of like a lot of other people wanted to get in the limelight i give b Brian Billick, I give Ozzy credit for this. It's about the players. So, Goose, myself, rest in peace, Goose, Ray, Rod, it was about us. And give us an opportunity to show our personality. Because a lot of times,

it is about playing pranks. It is about playing jokes on one another. And doing things. I wish you could, like, if they could have a, when we were, when I went back to Denver, how we used to steal teammates' car, drive them off for like, drive them like a mile. You could see it in the distance. We take, we leave the car running with the doors open.

So now you look up there on the hill, you look up there like, man, man, Sharp, man, why you do that? Man, I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I'm at practice. How I take your car way up there and leave it on running with the doors open, man. And then when they get out, the battery dead. You know what I'm saying? Or we would take their clothes, put them in the cold tank.

When they get out, put them in the freezer. When they get out, they still. Man, ain't nobody did this but Sharp. I don't know anybody. Bro, why Sharp did everything? Why I got to be the guy? Y'all blame me. They got me good in my rookie year.

I'll never forget. I had an IS300. IS300. And first car ever. First car. Obviously, I didn't have a car until I got to the NFL. I had a little smaller IS300. And they turned my car on, rolled the windows down,

and somebody took the fire extinguisher and they sprayed the fire extinguisher and let it off in the car. So when I woke up the following morning, the entire interior is all white. So now I come out, I come out, I'm 38 hot. I'm like,

yo, I go to coach. It was Dick LeBeau at the time. I go to Dick LeBeau, I say, Coach LeBeau, man, somebody playing around with my car, yo, I go to coach. It was Dick LeBeau at the time. I go to Dick LeBeau. I say, Coach LeBeau, man, somebody playing around with my car, man. I just got this. What we doing? And then he explained to me how it goes on

in the NFL. You're a rookie. It's a part of the heyday. It's a part of the routine. Same day. Same day. I go to practice. My clothes I wore to go to practice. I come I wore to go to practice. I come in, they soaking in the cold tub. Yep.

They done put my clothes in the cold tub. Yep. So now I'm hot and I want to fight. And then until I find out, it's a goddamn D-Lyman. It's a goddamn D-Lyman playing jokes. Man, I ain't want no part of that. Yeah. I ain't want no part of that.

I mean, we do all kinds of stuff. I understood. We did all kinds of stuff. I mean, we got all kinds of stuff. We did all kinds of stuff. I mean, we got to be like, okay, you know, because we like to wait until the last minute. We already got our pants on. And so we know we're going to grab your pants right there late. So we're going to put powder or we'll put water in for your shoulder pads.

So when you reach up there and pull them down, dump it on you. Or I nail the locker shut. So I go back and nail the locker shut. Locker shut. They can't get in it. What about the baby powder?

The baby powder in the helmet? Or you put the helmet on? Or we put a warm snicker bar in your helmet and you put it on. Dude, we had to sweat and chocolate and everything. I mean, look, that was the. Yeah. And you put it on. Dude be out there sweating chocolate and everything. Man, listen. Hey, but that was it. I mean, look, that was the get through.

But you know, but you knew who to do that to and who not to do that to. Who not to. Oh, yeah. Yes, you do. Because it definitely caused a fight now. It get ugly now. It definitely caused a fight. It get ugly now. So you know, you knew who to play with and who not to play with.

Sean Payton says he got sushi with the family even though he doesn't eat sushi or he doesn't like sushi. He says I'm driving home last night heading to get sushi. I don't like sushi and I find myself circling around the pocket lot. Why can't I be happy? Well, you're searching for the perfect

game. I'm just that way. I'm a good team player here. My wife likes it. My kids like it. Hell, everyone at the party likes it. So I'm a that way. I'm a good team player here. My wife likes it. My kids like it. Hell, everyone at the party likes it. So I'm a team player. My children would never take, take me to a sushi restaurant. I barely even order alcohol in front of me. Are you that big of a team player? That is something that you don't like. And most sushi restaurants, that's all they got. It's not like they got a diverse menu that you can choose from. Okay. You know what? I want a burger. Okay. You know what? I think I'm gonna

get a chicken. Most of the time when it's sushi, that's kind of what the menu, because I'm not so sure you're going to a restaurant that has a diverse menu that has sushi, has burger, has pizzas and stuff like that. So you're kind of limited when you go to a sushi restaurant. Are you a team player? Yeah, I think I'm a team player to an extent. But if my team, if my team and my family and my wife and my kids actually love me, I don't think they will put me in a position to take me somewhere where they know I'm not going to enjoy the food.

And that's including my woman, too. I would hope, you know, you don't force me to do something just so you can say, well, if you love me, you'll do it. Well, if you love me, you wouldn't have me doing something that you know I don't like before you met me. Right. I would hope so. But I understand what, I understand where Sean is coming from. If the kids like it, if the wife likes it, that's a part of marriage. That's a part of being in a relationship. It's called sacrifice. Sometimes you got to do it.

of marriage. That's a part of being in a relationship. It's called sacrifice. Sometimes you got to do it. Yeah. I mean, you're right. You're right. It's tough, but I'm very fortunate that my kids know my palate. Right. And so they know, like, okay, when they build this,

when they talk about going out to eat, the first thing, I mean, they know me so well. Okay, what is daddy going to eat? So they're thinking, even though it's them, they know daddy is going to only eat certain things. And so, and daddy's paying for it. So let's make sure daddy likes it.

You know what I do like though? Now that we're on the topic of restaurants and eating, my kids. Obviously, you know, I have a lot of kids. And I have two divas. Maybe three. I have one that's a little bit more lean. I have two divas, Sade and Ja'Kyra. Sade and Ja'Kyra.

And they are five-star eating, dress up, giving looks, makeup, hair, lashes, everything got to be done. Now, for them, for them two, I don't lashes, everything got to be done. Now, for them, for them too, I don't care where you want to go. You want to go to Poppy State? You want to go to Zuma? All those nice restaurants. The high-end. The high-end stuff, I will take the time out to go in there and fake it.

I will go in there and fake it because it's not a all-the-time thing. It's an occasion. Obviously, everybody's in college. You know, my daughter's out in L.A. So anytime we're home and we can all get together, I have no problem being a team player when it comes to them. But the best part about it is my kids are really not finicky. They're pretty much, I mean, they're very, very.

I think because of the way that when we went out, we kind of went to, like, American Fair. We didn't really, we didn't really branch out. So it wasn't like, okay, let's go get sushi or let's go to, or let's go get Thai

or let's go get, you know, we didn't do that. So for the most part, they're like, okay, we go, yeah, we went to high-end steak restaurants and things of that nature. So that's kind of where their palette is now.

I think my youngest, I think Pooh will eat sushi. I think Kiara does. I'm not so sure about Kayla. She's never mentioned it to me, but I think my youngest daughter, Pooh, I think she does eat it. Eat sushi already? Sushi, yeah.

Ooh. My kid's grown, bro. I ain't got no young kids like you no that's another topic we can get on about you know you starting back over man having a nice little one you know even though you

I'm not going to say your age but having another child you know it can do wonders for you man it can do wonders for you and bringing that youth back into your life so that's another topic we can touch on later on later on down the line it'll bring one of them to bring my summers to a close you know i look at my life as far as summers i like to think that i got at least 20 summers left i'm not so sure if you're bringing the kid into the equation don't take about five or six of them summers off no not really so if you think you got 20 summers left without an infant, you know,

with an infant, you might want to add 10 more summers of that. I'm just saying it's in the Bible. Look, I got a really good, my kids were really good. Obviously, my oldest daughter, she lived with me her junior and senior year. And so, you know, obviously, you get a young lady with her emotions and get me. I'm rigid. I'm very structured. She's not rigid. She's not structured. But I think the thing now and talking to her now, and I'm so proud of the young woman that she's turned into, is that when we have conversation, she's like, Dad, I didn't see it at the time, but I really appreciate it now. And it's kind of like it was when I was with my grandmother, when they tell her my grandmother and my grandfather shared all these stories, you're a kid, you don't know, you just want to do what you want to do. But now, and, and, and,

and for me, and I, and I tell people this all the time, I can remember everything my grandfather said to me, my grandfather died in 70, in February of 77. I was eight years old, about to be nine. And I can remember the thing my grandpa, grandma, grandfather said, I can tell you, I live, my grandmother lived until I was 43 years of age.

I can tell you every time my grandmother has ever got upset at me. And I can tell you why. And I can tell you what I did. That's how the impact of what they were, what they said and how they, how they treated me, the impact that it had. And so for said and how they, how they treated me, the impact that it had. And so for my kids to like, appreciate it. Cause I look, I was hard on them. I was, I was because yeah, I was. Yeah.

So you were the, you were the disciplinarian. Absolutely. Yeah. See, I was, I was, I was a, I was a total opposite. And, and one of, one of the few things that I commend, those that I have kids from, they did one hell of a job. They did one hell of a job because I was more lenient. I was more lenient and all my kids turned out to be phenomenal in the area as far as getting in trouble and making some of the right decisions. And I don't want to take the credit. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm going to take the credit for what they turned out to be. All credit is due to the mothers.

And because of them and because of the structure and discipline that they did have, even with the young ones, it's the same way. Everyone has turned out to be phenomenal. And I've never been on a platform like this to be able to give them the credit that they do and give them their just due. But, man, most definitely, I'm very, very, very grateful for them. But because of that structure and discipline, it's allowed me to be able to do some of the things that I've done now, even to this day, just throughout the years. And everything has gone so smooth

and transitioned because of them. Yeah, it was difficult because I'm away playing. And when they come over, you know, the mom was a little bit, was a little more or less, was a little bit with a was a little more or less well look lenient than i am right right so you ain't standing on the couch you're not jumping on the bed you're not running through the house you're not leaving doors opening things

like that so they're looking at me like but you know to their mom's credit you know there's like okay they were kind of like your dad is a little different than i am your dad is a little bit more structured your daddy's right right cares a little bit more structured. Your dad is, he always cares a little bit more than mom. Yeah. And so, but to give those guys credit, their parents, their mom did a great job. They always, the kids always had obviously the utmost. And even though we had, you know,

we had our issues at times because we were young. Same, same, same. We had our issues and, but we worked through those things. I think the thing, the biggest thing for me is that looking back at our issues and, and, but we worked through those things. I think the thing, the biggest thing for me is that looking back at it, like, okay, I could have handled that differently. Yeah. You could. And we talked about it and I think we're in a great place now, but the kids for me, they understood, you know,

I could just give my kid that cause I would take them to the mall and, and people would ask like, how do you get your kids to do that? Like, do what? Right. They're like, they sit down. They don't move. They're not running around. I mean, my kids will be all over the place.

Right. Oh, no. You don't play that? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. You show up, you get whoa out. Wait.

It's really, hey, that's how my, but see you know, if you're not careful You sound like my grandma, man. But you know, if you're not careful you would do it and you know, you're like and I didn't, you know, I didn't discipline my kids much. It had to be something that

really, I thought that they really needed to learn a lesson in this situation because, and people are like, well, why are you so hard on them? I say, I wouldn't be. If they were going to learn a lesson in this situation because right and then people like well why are you so hard on them I say I wouldn't be if they were going to stay that size and that age I let them do what the hell they want to do because everybody think kids cute but one day they're going to be teenagers and if I'm fortunate enough I'll see them have they'll build adults and I'll be able to see my grandkids so I need to teach them right from wrong and understanding discipline and work ethic right you want something hey you need to you know and i and i've had this

conversation with people that are that work their way from the mud like like we say we got it out the mud and we got the concrete right how do you instill that work ethic in them when they got when you got 25,000 you got maids you got chef you got chauffeurs you got security detail how do you instill that that's a good question because i'm asking you how did you do that well what did i tell you yeah i'm last option, not first choice. Okay. Okay. I'm going to try that.

I'm going to try that. But it's hard for me to say no. I'm going to just be honest with you. I'm hard. Whether I'm the first option or the last option, if somebody texts my phone, you know it's coming. Well, I think the thing is for me

is that they know it better be a good reason. Now, the question is, why didn't you come to me first? You get yourself in a bind because you try to do something, not let me find out about it.

I'm going to need to know why you didn't come to me first. Right. I don't need to know all your business. You're grown, but remember that if you grown, you grown all the time. Don't be grown when you need daddy. Cause you don't love that. I've grown,

you don't, you know, you're okay. You grown. But it took me, it took me a while to be able to like, okay, they are grown. Cause I remember the first time I went out with my kids and my, and they came by with the drink menu and my kid, my kids got the menu. And they look at like, okay, I'll take this. And I look like, yeah, they're like, daddy, we 25, we 26. Yeah.

You're right. They caught me off guard on our trips. We take our annual trips when everybody get out of school. Man, we in Jamaica, we in Mexico, and I'm looking at y'all ordering who? Ordering what? And I'm looking at, y'all ordering who?

Ordering what? And I'm looking at Real, and it hadn't clicked, even though they grown, you know, 25, you know, 20.

Like, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm not used to that. And then, I'm doing the preaching,

but why y'all not like your daddy? Why y'all not like your daddy? Because your daddy never had a sip of alcohol a day in life. But here y'all go, y'all Why y'all not like your daddy? Because your daddy never had a sip of alcohol a day in life. But here y'all go. Y'all drinking. Damn. You know what I'm saying? It's all good.

But that's them. They have their own identity. What got me excited doesn't get them excited. And I wanted them to have their own identity. And for the most part, my kid won't tell you who they are. Now, obviously, my oldest daughter, she kind of looks like me. So the first thing they see her, they they're like you look just like your dad but if you if you don't know right ain't gonna tell you my youngest daughter kind of got my name right but

she'll tell people it's like are you related to that that former football player she's like nah my mom just liked his name though she used to the root for the broncos she liked his name so like yeah i can't all all my kids look like me with that that's a good thing because i i look i look good i look good you know how many how many you got how many girls how many boys 11 in the possible how many how many how many boys how many girls eight and three eight girls eight yeah eleven if possible I'm not I'm not finished

I'm not finished either huh I'm not finished yeah man yeah baby baby she's trying to pretend

like she's asleep yeah I'm working man I can't listen one thing you can't do in life is you can't end on the hard numbers you can't end on the odd numbers. You can't end on the odd numbers. The odd numbers, that's bad luck. No, having more kids is bad luck.

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Did you see these places? Look at my face. Ocho, so I'm just trying to figure out, where the hell am I supposed to take you? I can't take you to Applebee's or Chili's or Red Lobster or Buffet, IHOP. We can't go bowling. We can't go to the hookah bar. We can't go to Waffle House. We can't go to a sporting event, not family functions, not a coffee date. We can't even go to church. I want God to look down and say, you know what, they're a cute couple. I'm going to bless them. I think this

list was made just for the sake of creating engagement. Because I'm looking at some of this stuff. Movie night? Who don't want movie night? Who don't want to go bowling? Nightclubs? What's wrong with nightclubs? Oh, your house. Number one was Chief

K Factory. Number seven was you can't take me to your house. Listen, depending on the guy and fellas i know you're watching this if she likes you if she really likes you for you where you go doesn't matter because she's just happy to be in your presence if she has a problem with anything on this list any place place on this list, it ain't about you. It's what you can do. That's it. That's all it comes down to. So I guess we just gonna jump on the 405 and then get to the 10.

We just gonna drive around. We can't go nowhere because, hell, every place on here, we can't go. They talking about Starbucks. Who? What's wrong? I get the night club. I mean, who would want to go somewhere? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa, Unc, a strip club date? You ain't never been on a strip club date with somebody you just met? No, no, no. But that's the best. That's the best. You ain't never. Listen, you alive, but you ain't living, man. You alive, but you ain't living.

You ain't never been on a. Unc, you got to do that for me. Come to Tootsie's with me. Come down to Miami. Let's go to Tootsie's, man. I alive, but you ain't living. You ain't never been on a... Unc, you got to do that for me. Come to Tootsies with me. Come down to Miami. Let's go to Tootsies, man. I ain't going to lie with you. I ain't been to the strip club probably about 16, 17 years. See, you know what? That's the problem. That's what's wrong with you right there.

I used to go for the wings. I used to go for the wings. I'd get them wings and chicken tenders. As a matter of fact, hey, Madge, I remember what you said at the barbershop. I remember what you said. You're going to name a meal after me. So,

I want that unk on the menu. Listen, let's take a trip to Atlanta. You get your girl. I get my girl. We just go in and just have some fun.

Just relax, unwind, let your wings out, man, and just, and woosah. Throw some ones. Oh,

Joe. Look, I ain't, like I said, I ain't being, but see, it's different, bro. I mean, Ocho, you can't go, bro. It's going to be on TMZ and people taking pictures. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We in Atlanta. This is Black Hollywood. Black Hollywood, we ain't got to deal with that.

They not even going to bother us. You need, listen, I'm telling you, you work a lot. You doing a lot. You're doing a lot. You're doing a lot for a lot of people. You need a reset. You need a mental reset. You need some relaxation aside from something that you haven't done in a very long time.

And you could use that. And what better person to have with you than somebody like me that doesn't even do it? No. I don't even do it. Let me tell you what. You do. When I want some rest and relaxation,

I do get to Atlanta. I go tell you what. No, you do. We don't go. When I want some rest and relaxation, I do get to Atlanta. I go in my room. I get massages. I get my nails done. I go get a haircut. Right. See, come on, man. I come out.

I go to the kitchen. I eat. I go back in my room. I don't even cut the TV on. I don't even cut the TV on. You alive, but you ain't living, baby. I got you. I got you.

Nah. I got you I got you I got you I want my girl I want us to do stuff but going to the strip club that ain't one thing I want me her and the dude together that's the problem that's the problem

you want to you stuck in your box you stuck in your ways you have a routine and way that you do things no we can go you know what Ocho she would have a better chance getting me going on vacation

than getting me to go to a strip joint with her. It ain't her. I asked you to go with me. I asked you to go with me. You and me and you, Rel ain't going. Rel ain't going. Oh, okay. It's me and you, it's me and you.

Oh, God. That's the way. Yeah. There we go. That's what I'm talking about. Well, we can do that. Okay, next topic. As long as you say, again. Back to this list.

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Let me ask you a question. Where did you go on your first date? Do you remember your first date? McDonald's. You know that. I don't play. I don't play. I don't play.

And people that I've dated in the past, they're going to see this. With all due respect, I appreciate all y'all. We went to McDonald's. Hold on, man. Baby. I'm talking about the first date you ever went on. The first date. Man, I'm not playing now. I'm talking about the first date you ever went on the first date man I'm not playing I'm not playing if you can't appreciate what I love the most

then you have no business going me to nothing five star four star three star or two yeah baby hold on hold on baby ain't no huh can you hear me tell uncle we went for our first date.

You heard him? No, but it's good. I believe you. He can't hear you. You got a screen. He can't hear you. You heard him? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, yeah. And listen, if she frowned up or turned her nose up when I pulled through that drive-thru, okay, boom, that would have been my last time seeing you. Nah, what you here for? Are you here for me? Are you here for the free meal? I'm trying to think. If I'm not mistaken, you know, Ocho, I didn't go to the prom in high school.

You didn't go to prom? I didn't in high school. I started dating a young lady. What's her name? What's her name? She was, no, she married, got two kids. I ain't going to put nobody out there. And I think if I'm not mistaken, the prom, we ended up going to Red Lobster.

Ooh, boy, them cheddar biscuits? Stop playing. That was the, because here's the thing, Ocho. Our coach, Coach Hall, we ran track. Track normally fell on prom. And Coach Hall said, what y'all want to do? Now, I'm trying to figure out, okay, I want to go to college. What's the quickest route to get to college, get to the NFL,

make some money so I can take care of my grandma? I didn't think the prom was going to be the best use of my time. Right. I like that. We would normally run having a track meet normally it was like it was either the region track meet or the state track meet

and so that was my thing but if I'm not mistaken I think Red Lobster was the first date that I went on and but you know I wonder how many people would have a problem with Red Lobster I wonder how many people would have a problem with red lobster. I wonder how many people listen to cheddar, the cheddar biscuits at red lobster are red

lobster number 11 on the list. Listen, let me tell you another thing. That's top. Tell me you ever had the rolls at Piccadilly's. You ever had the road, the dinner rolls at Piccadilly's or you never been to Piccadilly's? No, we used to, uh, I've never been to Piccadilly's, but there used to be a buffet called Morrison's. Morrison's, okay. And I think they merged.

Probably the same thing. I remember my sophomore year. Yeah. Was the first time I had never heard of the buffet. For real? I had never heard of a buffet. Okay, okay. So we had a track team, and we're running track.

Coach said, we run good. I'm going to take you guys of a buffet. So coach, so we are a track team and we're running track. Coach said, we run good. I'm going to take you guys to the buffet. I don't know no buffet here, but hell, hey, sound good. Let's go. Yeah. So man, so we get there and like, you know, coach pay, you know, coaches either like pay and I just see all this food. I'm like, so I'm looking around like, so what we do?

We wait for somebody to come serve us. You know what I'm saying? I really had looking around like, so what we do? We wait for somebody to come serve us? You know what I'm saying? I really had never really been in a restaurant. So I really don't know what, how this thing is going to take, what's the deal? They say, nah, man, you just go around and get what you want.

I'm like, so I can get anything that's up here, I can get. You know, they got chicken, chicken tenders, mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, all this. They got ice cream, cookies, brownies. I'm like, so I can get anything I want. Yeah. Man, Ocho.

I wasn't the only one that had never had a buffet or didn't know what a buffet was. So we eat until we make our, I mean, me and a couple of my teammates, we sick. So guess what we do? So, hey, I'm going to take some of this stuff home to my sister, to my grandma. So I start getting napkins. I put chicken in my pocket. You took it in your pocket?

Yeah, I put chicken in my pocket. Put some chicken. I had like two or three breads, some short thighs, some drumsticks. And so the coach see us, but he don't say nothing. I got, you know, I got cookies in my hand. I got brownies.

And I don't even really like brownies, but I know my grandma, she like brownies. My sister goes to fried chicken. So we get on the bus. Coach all turns around. He say, suckers, it's all you can eat. Not all you can eat and take out.

Man, we don't, hey. But I wasn't the only one though joe i wasn't the only one but i always thought like when i went somewhere like that oh oh my grandma gonna get some food here oh yeah for sure and the funny thing i'm looking at the list i'm thinking i see churches on there too what do you think me and my grandma me and my grandma we went went to Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Overtown. Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Overtown. What do you think we went to eat at the church every Sunday? Church's

chicken. Why do you think I told you I don't like okras being nosy, dipping my hand in her stuff? Yeah. Come on, man. We went to Granny's house to eat. You know, because see, Sunday was the only time. See, I never had chicken. I never had chicken on any other day but Sunday.

Now, what you didn't get, what you didn't, if you didn't eat it all on Sunday, you got some other fried chicken on Monday. But I never had chicken. I never had fried chicken on any other day. That's the only time that we got chicken was Sunday. My grandmother would cut, you know, my grandmother and my aunts would cut it up and they would fry it Sunday morning. You know, obviously my grandfather got the two

biggest pieces. And so we normally got you get like a short thigh and a wing. You wouldn't get the breast. My grandfather got the breast. He got the best piece. But you know, you might get a short thigh, drumstick, short thigh, wing, something like that. But they fried everything. So, you know, you might get a short thigh drumstick, short thigh wing, something like that. But they fried everything.

So, you know, we eat the neck and things like that. So I was like, man. And then the next day, what you didn't eat, my grandfather, you know, got the flour and the water and he smother fried it. So now we have fried chicken and whatever vegetable we had. And then we have smother fried chicken and rice on Monday. But hot dogs was Friday night. My grandmother normally got paid. Wait, hold on. With baked beans?

Hot dog with baked beans, right? You're doing too much, Ocho. We got the hot dog. Check this out. We got the hot dog that came fifth in the pack. And they were like, right. You remember them hot dogs that came fifth? Yeah.

And they still had the plastic on them when you put them in. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the ones that we had. And back then, you got bread, bread with three loaves for a dollar.

You get three loaves of bread for a dollar. So we got those, my grandma bought that thing of 50 hot dogs. Mm-hmm. Man, you talk about, like I said, a bun. Wait, you ain't had to forget,

I know just talk about it, but I mean, my mama, my grandma used to make the hot dogs, right? The same 50-pack you talk about. Yeah. Chop it up, the beans with a little honey in the beans and mix it up. What? No, no, no. Granny wasn't doing all that. Look, my grandma, we didn't, I mean, every once in a while, I mean, the only

kind of like vegetables that we like, my grandmother would buy was kind of like cream corn, but most of the stuff it came from a garden, my grandmother planted a garden for the people that had farms, they had okra, they had squash, they had butter beans, they had field peas, things like that

and so you would pick on a share, so if you pick two bushels, they got one, you kept one. You pick four, they got two, you got two. And then, you know, you bring them home and then your thumb's sore because you got to shell them. But yeah, but that, no, no, no, no, no. But it was, but I could, you know, that was, those are what, that's what I remember. Me and my brother, we talk about that all the time, man. You remember, you know, because my grandmother got paid on Friday, $197 every two weeks.

$197. It's amazing how times have changed, man. Yeah, man. And like everybody around me was, didn't have money like that. So it wasn't no thing for me. It wasn't no thing because once the summer comes, we're going to be able to work in the field and we're going to be able to make it.

So check this out, Ocho. Giannis said LeBron James is the number one all-time, setting the blueprint for other NBA superstars. Giannis said some guys might say he's number two, but other guys like me say he's number one. For 21 years, you never get in trouble to be able to take his family, protect his family, raise his kid the right way, be happily married, all those things.

It's perfect. It's kind of like setting a blueprint for the rest of us to come forward. Now, I think Giannis, who's first to second best player currently playing, say LeBron James is the GOAT. who's first to second best player currently playing, say LeBron James is the GOAT. Yeah. Now, a lot of guys, a lot of current guys say it's Jordan

or they say it's Kobe, and that's well within there, right? I ain't here to debate. That's your opinion. I think it's LeBron. But what do you take away? What's your takeaway from what Giannis said? Listen, I like what Giannis said. I like what Giannis said, and when there's a standard that's set or there's a way to gauge someone you would like to be or someone that represents not just the NBA shield to the to the highest of its highest order, but someone that represents being a father, being a husband, doing everything the right way yeah uh someone that had i would think probably the most expectations on their

plate coming out of high school is lebron king james he has the tattoo of chosen for a reason and for him to be able to live up to that with all the pressures and all that that entails speaks volumes to this day to this day so some people some people in preference will be jordan some people in preference will be kobe i'm not sure who else is in the discussion is being the best of all time. But listen, what LeBron has been able to do since day one, since he stepped foot on the court, 20, 21 years later, it's respectable and it's commendable. And it's really, it's hard. How do you argue that? How do you argue the fact? Because the facts are right there. You know, the thing is, I think even though he had these high expectations, I think by everybody's estimations, he's exceeded. No matter what you thought he could or couldn't become, he's exceeded your expectations. Yeah. Yeah. And so for him to do it the way he has it, to play at the level that he has and the criticism, because, you know, the social media is a different animal because everybody now is a GM. Everybody now is a former NBA player.

Everybody now is a head coach. And so now you've got a platform. I've got a platform. Five hundred million, a billion people have platforms to voice their opinion opinion of what they think a certain player is or isn't and so for him to withstand that onslaught and a lot of people have taken unnecessary shots at him but for him to block the noise out and because sometimes the noise can become deafening yeah For him to do it his way and to surround himself, because a lot

of times, I don't know who his father figure was in his life. I think his mama Gloria Glo did an unbelievable job. Because think about it. He didn't go to college. So he didn't have a Dean Smith, Coach Smith. Or he didn't have a Coach John Thompson. Or he didn't have a Coach

Bayheim. Or he didn't have a Coach K. And if you think about it, he didn't have a coach, John Thompson, or he didn't have a coach Bayheim, or he didn't have a coach K. And if you think about it, he didn't have one of these, a coach all back or Phil Jackson or one of these great coaches. This him figuring it out on his own. You drafted an 18 turns 19 and think about it. He says, you know what? I just think it surrounds himself with people that say, you know what? We don't want to hand out. We just want the opportunity. Look what Rich Paul became.

Look what Maverick Carter became. Look at what Randy Mills became. Can I can I tell you something real quick? Yes. And this is this is a testament to to to where I was trying to guide you and take you a little bit. And I'm not going to preach to you today, but I want you to listen to everything that you just said. But you're leaving one important fact out. We talk about LeBron. No, no, no, no, no. Stay with me now. We talk about LeBron and the pressures that he's had to face and the noise that's been deafening throughout his life.

You talked about Gloria and the job that she's done, saying that he's never had the coaches that have inspired you throughout life and kept you on the right track. But there's one piece that was always in place. That was always in place to make sure, regardless of what was going on the outside, once he went home, he went home to peace. So that kept him in line. And that was Savannah. And that is something that I've always told you. And I will tell everybody else that's out there listening. And the credit in where it should go. Not just Jane, but sometimes when you have a woman's touch and a woman's guidance and a woman's vision, you might know where you want to go.

You might know where you want to go. You might know where you want to go. But there's one person that knows how to open that door and close it behind you to make sure you reach whatever that end goal may be. And what she was able to do for him, it speaks volumes on why he's been able to sustain what he's done for such a very long time. Outside of the work he's had to put in, obviously, yes. But it all comes down to having that centerpiece to keep that entire household together and she's the one

that's why i'm trying to get i'm i'm not i'm not done with you yet but everybody is not everybody is not wired like savannah she said her job was to be a wife make sure her husband was straight and raise a family. You know, sometimes like I want my own, I want to do, I want to do that. And it's kind of hard when you're mad to a professional athlete because he's going to be so demanding of your time. Right. And so for her to says, you know what? Okay. You, I'm going to push you to the front. I'll stand back. I'm going to raise, because, because it it's hard when you like a lebron or you you date or married to a tom brady or you married to one of these historically iconic

they are very selfish the greater the player the greater the ego and the greater his time restraints are to film study and his body and doing all these things and to grow. And so a lot of the recitals and the practices and they're taking a school in the carpool lane. He ain't in there. Savannah's doing that. And she's OK with that. Sometimes one can become envious. Well, when do I get a break? When are you going to take him to the school? When are you going to go to recital? When are you going to go to ballet? When are you going to take him to the school? When are you going to go to recital? When are you going to go to ballet? When are you going to do this? But I don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I know who she is. I've never spoken to the woman. I know Bron had a couple of conversations with, but I'm sure it's not easy because you do. I mean, hey, sometimes I'm like, man, hell, I wish I could take a day off and not get up and have to go to work. Right. But it's a 20. It's a 365, 24, 7. Yeah. 365. Listen, most definitely. Most definitely. And listen, it is difficult. I know it is. But again, there's a reason why he set the blueprint. Not just not just as a basketball player, but as a father and as a husband. Oh, man, it's unbelievable. We need to be. It need to be studied. Oh, for me, for me. Oh, if I had to do over again, if I could go back.

OK, I'm going to go back and I'm going to start as a freshman in high school. Yes. And instead of being a class clown and bull-jabbing around, I'm going to do my work. Now, even if I said, okay, I want to go back and I'm going to go back to Savannah State. Yes, sir. I would have, like, been able to say no

and not, you know, oh, shit, you got this great body. Ooh, you fine. I want to talk to you, blah, blah, blah. And run with it. I'd have got me one woman. I'd have settled my you-know-what down. It would probably save me about four, five million dollars,

but that's neither here nor there. And I probably would have, now I don't regret, you know, my kids love them. They're great. They forced me to become even more regimented, more disciplined, more determined, more dedicated, because now I ain I just worried about granny. I got my, I got my own responsibilities outside of granny outside of my mom and my sister. Although I know my brother is a, it's a dual deal with my brother that's helping my mom and my grandmother,

my sister. Now I got responsibility. That's not his responsibility or it's not our responsibility together of all the things i i wish i had gotten married early but you know what you know what the great thing about life is the great thing about life is some people never graduate from high school some people never graduate from college but something hits them in life. And regardless of age, you can go back and get your degree. Yeah.

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Cause that's the only toast you're going to be giving to me. Calais Campbell says he spends between 200 and 300,000 on his body after studying Brady and LeBron. I know you played against Calais. Big guy out of Denver, Colorado, wanted to be a tight end. I've talked to Calais and said, you know what, man, I want to be like you. But I kind of kind of grew out of the position and I couldn't catch the ball like you could. If you knew what you know now, how, how would it have changed your career or would you have done anything as far

as training, as far as nutritional, what would you have done different knowing what you know now? Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different. I respect individuals like LeBron and Tom Brady and the way they've taken care of their bodies and having to do some of the things that come with it. Calais Campbell spending $200,000, $300,000. Obviously, he's a bigger individual than I am.

And therefore, the wear and tear on his body might be a little different than it was for me. If I had to do it again, my diet and nutrition wouldn't change. The same thing I ate when I was in high school and through college, I ate it while I was in the NFL. The way I train, you already know, still to this day, I'm a madman. I'm a madman. I got to be doing something. I got to be moving. I got to be doing something. And I played a very long time. I had no injuries. I had no injuries. So when Marvin Lewis appointed a nutritionist to our team, there was no reason for me to break what I was already doing because there was nothing wrong with it. There was nothing to fix. There was nothing to fix. And I think I was very fortunate.

I might be one of the most fortunate NFL players to ever play, to play an entire career and having no injuries outside of a dislocated pinky, a little nick there, but nothing major would cause me to miss any time. Therefore, when it comes to nutrition and to talk about taking care of your body, to me, everybody's different. Everybody's body's different. So it's hard for me to compare. I can't say anything about LeBron. I can't say anything about Calais Campbell or any other players that take care of everybody and have to spend money on it to me I think it's a mind thing

it's a mind thing I get up I train hard I get in the cold tub I get in the hot tub I never got massages I don't want nobody touching me I never got massages

and that's it you bleed a cold tub gotta have something to do with it or you wouldn't have got in it oh nah because I just I saw everybody was doing it so I just wanted to follow

what everybody else was doing at TJ TJ nah I promise you you did that you did that once or twice that got in it. Oh, no, because I just, I saw everybody was doing it, so I just wanted to follow what everybody else was doing. No, no, okay, okay. I promise you. You did that once or twice. You did that throughout your career. Yeah, because TJ, TJ Hushamazada and Carson Palmer told me you should get in the cold tub.

You're running yourself ragged. You're running, dude, let me tell you how I practiced. This is, I was, I was, I don't want to say that word. I don't want to say the R word. I was ridiculous. I did a scout team. I was, I want to say that word. I want to say the R word. I was ridiculous. I did a scout team.

I went out, I did a kickoff. I used to, I used to play the gunner. This is in practice just to get me in rhythm, getting, preparing for a game. T.O., T.O.'s with us in 2010. T.O. pulled me to the side and said, man, what in the hell are you doing? What are you doing? I'm taking all the goddamn snap. I said, this is how I always get ready for Sundays. He said, man, you running yourself hell are you doing? What are you doing? I'm taking all the goddamn snap. I said, this is how I always get ready for Sundays.

He said, man, you running yourself ragged, man. You're going to be tired when the games come. I said, T, this is the way I practice it, and I'm used to it. So that was one of the joys of having T there and having to show me how to manage my body and minimize some of the work that I was putting in during the week. But that's all that I knew. And I think that's one of the reasons

why I never got hurt. I put my body through the ringer constantly to where, you know what, when it was time to play and time to get hit and take those hits, I just get right up

and keep on going. What if you get in the hyperbaric chamber? What if you eating right instead of having 11,000 yards, you have 14,000. And instead of having 60 touchdowns, you had 90. How? How? I just told you had 14,000. And instead of having 60 touchdowns, you had 90.

How? How? I just told you I never got hurt. I didn't miss any time. So where those numbers going to come from, Madden? No, no. Maybe instead of that, maybe you break a tackle. Instead of having a 15-yard game, you get a 30-yard game.

I never got tackled by the first man. Man, stop it, Ocho. You saw what I did. Don't play me like that no I saw you got clapped Jack nah but listen another thing that I hate people oh I'm eating healthy

I'm eating healthy because it's gonna make it's gonna help me perform better no it's not because how you perform is a skill set it's a skill set based on how hard you train and what God has blessed you with and you putting the two together not the food saying oh if I eat is a skill set. It's a skill set based on how hard you train and what God has blessed you with. And you're putting the two together.

Not the food. Saying, oh, if I eat salads and I eat healthy and I do all this nutrition stuff, all of a sudden, I'm going to be Jerry Rice. No, you're not. No, no, no.

Either you're good or you're not. No. That's it. But I do believe, I mean, but like you said, it's a mindset. You don't believe,

see, the fact that you don't believe, see, the fact that you don't believe it's going to help is not going to help. There's a reason why doctors tell you that there's a reason why doctors tell you when you have surgery to keep a positive mind.

Right. Right. Because the mind really controls the body. So you're not going to get the benefits out of it because you're already going in with a negative mindset. Even if you're already going in with a negative mindset. Even if you're not going in

with a negative mindset, I'm using common goddamn sense and logic. Telling me what I put in my body is going to help me perform is a goddamn lie. It's a lie. I disagree.

I disagree. I disagree. Oh my God. I disagree. Either you're good at your craft or you're not. If you're telling me or I'm eating salads, that'm when somebody's in front of me playing man to man. Oh, I'm going to be able to get open and create separation because of what I put in my body.

So you have the way that works. No, you have a C, but you have a single. But see, here's the thing. I believe the guy that trains hard has the better nutritional. I think that helps. I'm not saying that somebody... Helps with what? In what area? Your body. Because when you get on the field, it's based on your skill set. Your skill set, nothing more. But let me ask you a question. So, why don't

they put regular, why they don't put regulated gas in high-performance cars if it didn't make a difference? Come on with the car analysis. No, I'm just saying. So what's your body? What's your body? Is your body not a machine?

Yes or no? Yes, it's my temple. It's my temple. Why would you, why you wouldn't put the highest nutritional... They got you believing that 97 is the healthy shit. That's how they fool you

into selling their product. Well, here's the thing, Ocho. What I did is that I tried it for myself. Right. See, yes. I could have like,

nah. I said, but let me see. And then I saw what it did. What did it do? I saw, that was, mentally,

that's what it did. I saw the changes in my body. I saw the changes when I, when I made, when I made the switch in 93. I said, you know what? I'm going to bring my own food to work. I'm going to start eating

like this. I'm going to start training like this. I saw the benefits. Now, obviously, all these hyperbaric chambers and all this other stuff that came around, these physio guys that had these guys, these personal trainers, there's a reason why. There's a reason why, Ocho.

All that's a money grab, man. Can I ask you a question? How many years you played? I played 14. You ever been hurt? Yes. You had any surgeries? Yeah. Nobody had surgeries? I fractured my eye socket. What else?

What else? Broke my collar Okay. What else? What else? Broke my collarbone. Broke your collarbone. What else? Uh, had scoped on my ankle a couple of times. Oh,

your ankle. Oh, your knees too. I ain't had nothing wrong with me. Yeah, but see, I ain't had nothing wrong with me. But see,

you out there with the pretty boy. See, I was in the trenches. No, you weren't. I was in the trenches and I played reckless. Nah.

Check my resume and check the film. You outside the numbers, bro. I saw you one time. I saw you one time inside the hash, and everybody saw how I ended. Listen, what era of football did I play in? AFC North, 2000 Ravens, Steelers, Browns. Bro. They had to relax the rules.

The incidental contact, bro. Stop that. Relax the rules. Stop playing, man. Why are you playing on my top like that? McDonald's, my whole career. No injuries. Just think about what you could have been.

I was. I was him. What you could have been. I was him what you could have been i was i was him and you know all the top if you take all the top end guys you look at the guys that played jerry look at uh walter payton look at uh uh uh tom brady look at jordan look at kobe look at lebron look at all the high end guys what do they do Let me tell you something. Everybody trying to be like them, you ain't gonna be naying one of them. No.

But what if you could be a better version of you? Jordan ate McDonald's. Usain Bolt ate McDonald's. Not when he was training for the Olympics. Not when he was training for the Olympics. I'll call Michael right now. I'll call Michael Jordan right now and let him tell you.

I'll call Mike. Hold on. You want me to call him? Don't do that. Michael Jordan ate McDonald's. Talk to me now. Ocho. Chicken McNuggets.

Ocho. Before the game. Ocho, you could eat anything in moderation. And listen, why do we continue to use the highest of iconic athletes as examples is beyond me because nobody is going to be like them. Is that what you strive for? Let me ask you a question. Do you take financial advice from anybody that ain't got money? Yes or no?

You listen to Elon Musk. You listen to guys that built businesses. I don't take financial advice from nobody but myself. That's why I still got all my goddamn money. Period. Now, listen to me. I did it. I did it with no injuries,

so you're not going to tell me the way I did it don't work because it worked. Because you had 37 surgeries and I ain't had none. Ocho. Yes, sir. So what if the difference...

Ocho, but think about it. Ain't no difference. Ain't no difference. Ocho, think about it. How many seventh-round picks after the merger made it to the Hall of Fame? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on. Give me a second. I'm going to give you the floor. How many seventh-round picks become on to be an All-Pro and go to eight Pro Bowls? How many? Keep going. Can you finish? Can I finish?

Can I go? Go ahead. Can I go? How many young kids out of Liberty City beat the odds and then end up dead or in jail from selling dope? Let me finish. You let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. How many kids from Liberty City made it to the NFL and were the full-time All-Pro, six-time Pro Bowler, name cemented, legacy cemented, name in the stadium? How many? I ain't got no yellow jacket, but I made my own.

And that's sufficient enough for me. How many people live in Liberty City? How many people? Why don't you say the population of Liberty City is? Now or back then? Back then. I'm talking about in the 80s when it was a war zone. In the early 90s when it was a war zone.

I'm talking about during the dope era. How many people you think live in Liberty City? Liberty City. I'm not sure. 15,000, 20,000, 30,000? I wouldn't even sit here and throw a number at that because I don't know. I'm just being honest. I don't want to play that game. I don't know, honestly. Where I grew up at, it was 3,500

people. What's the likelihood of you getting two out of 3,500? What's the likelihood of me even surviving and getting an opportunity to even play? Let me ask you a question. Are there any other players that came out of Liberty even surviving and getting the opportunity to even play? Ocho, so let me ask you a question. Are there any other players that came out of Liberty City that played in the NFL?

Yeah, it's a few right now. So... Did you understand what Liberty City I came out of? Yes! No, you don't. Yes, Ocho. 80s, 90s, Liberty City. Ocho.

It was ugly. Yes. It was Yes. Ocho. 80s, 90s, Liberty City. Ocho. It was ugly. Yes. It was ugly. Ocho. My chances of getting out was this. Ocho. This. Ocho.

I ain't talking about. The odds. Yes, the odds were stacked against you. Way against. Yes. But you beat the odds. Now, just imagine. Look, like I said, in your mind, you don't believe that nutrition,

proper, you know, massage, physio, all that. You don't believe it worked. We've done a poll. We got over 2,000 votes. 83% believe that nutrition matters. What are 83%? Who they play for? 2000.

Who they play for? See, hold on. Now you're doing the argument. Now you're trying to invalidate people because they didn't play sports. No, no, no. No, because they... If you didn't play the game

and you think nutrition matters, what are you using as the fact that nutrition works? What are they going to say LeBron did it no you're never going to be those individuals they are once in a lifetime

let me ask you a question are there more athletes like you that eat whatever they want that don't believe or are there more athletes that eat nutrition I guarantee you there are more athletes like me than it is that eat healthy and I can guarantee you that especially in today's game I can guarantee you there are more athletes like me than it is that eat healthy. And I can guarantee you that, especially in today's game. I can guarantee you that. I disagree.

Let's bet. Let's bet. I disagree. Let's bet. Let's bet. Because you see all... Let's bet. I disagree.

I don't know how we quantify. You know what? Why do you think... Can I ask you a question? Why do you think the injuries are higher? Why do you think the injuries are more significant now than as opposed to before? Because I... Can I tell you why? Let me finish. Let me tell you. Can I tell you why? Please? Please? Real quick?

I love you to death. The injuries are up higher because they eating all this motherfucking healthy shit. You play a barbaric sport. You play a barbaric sport running a hundred miles an hour, running into each other, but you eating like a goddamn rabbit and you expect to survive a 17 game season, but you eat like a goddamn rabbit and you expect to survive a

17 game season season but you like goddamn rabbit it ain't gonna work something has to give you know it's giving your fucking body and its ligaments i believe i believe a reason why the injuries i believe the guys are getting bigger stronger and faster but i also believe that the guys don't put their bodies through the rigors. They don't practice hitting during the course of the week like we once did. And so now you're asking a car that hasn't been driven at 100 miles an hour during

the week that says, you know what, on Sunday go 100 miles an hour without being warmed up. That is my belief. There is no way to definitively determine it, but do you believe the guys are bigger, stronger, and faster? Yes or no? Do you believe the guys in the NFL are bigger, stronger, and faster

than they were in the 50s, in the 60s, in the 70s? Do you believe guys are getting bigger, stronger, and faster? Yeah, they are. Okay, so that means the collision... So hold on. Let me ask you a question. So that means the collisions... Don't say collisions because you can't even hit no goddamn body today.

You can't even hit nobody today. You can't even hit no goddamn body today. Don't do that. You can hit them. Kareem Jackson just got suspended four games for playing football the way we did in the 2000s. But hold on. You can't even hit nobody no more. You can hit them.

It's just a penalty now. And we understand that they're trying to make the game. And we understand with the lawsuits, with the CTEs and things of that nature, we understand. They're protecting themselves. Yes, yes. But all I know is that we got 2,900 votes and 83% says yes, nutrition plays a role. They don't know what they're talking about because none of that 83% could cover me.

Ain't none of that 83% cover me and I'm out there on two cheeseburgers and what you going to do with me? Nothing. Nothing. We got 3,000 votes. Ocho, they ain't doing it with your bar. They look at this right here. They lying. That's what I was able to do right there. Wait, what you talking? Wait a minute. Let me come up.

What you talking about? Ocho, you a stick figure. You stick. You strong man. What you talking about, man?, you a stick figure. You stick. You strong man. What you talking about, man? I ain't the only one. What you talking about, man? What you talking about, man? You ain't the only one.

Yeah. Yeah, look at that. You laughing. It's 230. What you talking about, man? Look at that, man. Solid, boy. Ocho, you a buck 60. You might be a buck 60. Man, look at this, man. What you talking about, man? I just look like this, man. Look at that, man. Solid. Boy. Ocho, you a buck sixty. You might be a buck sixty. Man, look at this, man.

What you talking about, man? I just look like this, man. You made me come up out of my shirt, man. Man, Ocho, you wild, bro. You wild. Nah, but listen, that's a good topic. I just honestly, you know, I know I play around a lot, but in all seriousness, for me,

nutrition, I just felt if it wasn't broke, there was nothing for me to fix. It worked for me. It might not work for the next person. I knew and understood my body. If they understand and know their body, you do whatever works for you, man. You know what? I thought that same way until I tried it, and then I saw, like, man,

I had more energy. I had more stamina. I was able to recover, but hey, like I said, it's up here. If you don't believe it's going to help, it ain't going to, it ain't going to, it ain't going to work for you. I believed it. Mine is a powerful thing. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for tuning into another episode of nightcap. I'm your favorite. I'm Shannon sharp. He's your favorite. Number 85. One of the best route runners. He's number two on the route. He's your favorite number 85.

One of the best route runners. He's number two on the route runner list. He's number three on the route runner list. Why every time I get hot, you be ready to get off? Nah, because I got to go to work tomorrow. Hey, Ocho, I got some bad news for him. There will be no episode of Nightcap on Thursday. It's my daughter's, you know, my daughter's celebrating.

We had a celebration week. And normally, I would have foregoed that. But at this time of my life now, my kids have sacrificed enough. They used to sacrifice going to the amusement park, going to the zoo, going to things, going out, so

daddy could live, fulfill his dream, working out, training, getting ready. Well, I didn't work out. I trained. And so now when it comes to the kids, work takes a backseat. Work takes a backseat. So Thursday I'm going to be at the game with my daughter to see the Lakers open up against the Sun. So she's excited about that. She's like, Dad, this is one of the best birthday weeks I've ever had.

We saw Usher on Friday. We saw Adele. And then we're going to cap it off with seeing King James take on Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. So I'm excited about that. I'm going to miss you guys on Thursday, but be best believed I'll be back and ready to go on Sunday. Yeah, I like it.

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