Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Cowboys Outlast Seahawks, LeBron Skipping A Game, Best Receivers Ever

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the exciting Cowboys win over the Seahawks (2:00), Tyreek Hill's comments about Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs (10:30), Deion Sanders winn...ing a surprising award (22:00), LeBron James skipping a Lakers game for his son's debut (24:30), a wild T.I. story (42:00), and the best receivers in NFL history (55:00).   #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:18 right around the corner, so make sure you go out to get some for yourself or loved ones. Ocho, let's get right into it. The Cowboys beat the Seahawks, 45-31. Dak Prescott, 29-41, 299, three touchdowns. Geno Smith, 23-41, 334, three touchdowns, one interception. Third straight, okay. The Seahawks had three straight four downs that doomed them near midfield.
Starting point is 00:04:44 Selling otherwise an outstanding offensive performance. Michael went unblocked on fourth and two. I don't know what offensive play you call and say, you know what? We're going to turn their best defensive player. We're going to let him run unabated to our quarterback. And the funny thing about it, they did a great job blocking him the entire goddamn game, except the last play when it really mattered. And you turned him scot-free. Turned him scot-free so what what was some of your takeaways lojo
Starting point is 00:05:08 listen my takeaway obviously i'm not sure who slated this game before the season started but this was the best thursday night game by far by none one of the best games actually all goddamn season the often that this is one of the games where you always talked about when you don't get pick sixes and turnovers from your defense, will Dak be able to win and carry that offense? That is exactly what he did tonight. CeeDee Lamb on third down, super duper clutch. Yeah, he had one drop on that fourth and two. He said, my bad. But other than that, Dak showed why his name should be in the MVP conversation and why he is one of the best.
Starting point is 00:05:47 You don't like me using the word elite, but his play the past few weeks, it's just that. It's been elite, especially tonight. Tonight is when you need a Dak to show, listen, my defense is not playing that well. Geno, when that offense is marching down the field, DK Metcalf was going crazy, boy. He was going crazy. They put some seasoning on Bland tonight, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:06:06 They put seasoning on Bland. They put some seasoning on him. Listen, they put a little seasoning, but he took a bite out of you, though. He took a bite out of him, especially Tyler Lockett ran that lazy-ass out route, and Bland, once again, picked it right off. Ocho.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Yeah. Tell me what's the only route you're going to run from that split. Yeah. And you start leaning with it from the – Yeah. Oh, he would lean it. He would lean it heavy.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Hey, he would lean it like Fat Joe. Yeah, but – He was, Ocho. Yeah. The Cowboys, what I saw tonight, Ocho, the way I measure a team, if you're good offensively, if you're good defensively, can you get done what you need to get done when you have to? When Dak needed a touchdown to take the lead, what did they do?
Starting point is 00:06:48 They went and got it. Yes, sir. The defense, okay, you say you like that. Can you get a stop? Not only can we get one, we're going to stop him three times in a row on fourth down at midfield. Yeah. That's the mark of a team.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And like you said, defensively, you're not going to always have it. So, okay, offense. Our defense don't got it tonight. They're not going to get a five turnover. They're not going to sack Geno six or seven. So, when we get our opportunities, we're going to have to cash. And that's what they did tonight. That's the mark
Starting point is 00:07:17 of a good football team. A really, really good football team. Because can I go get done what I need to get done when I absolutely have to have it? And the offense, touchdown, field goal, field goal, defense, stop, stop, stop. So that was, I was very impressed with what I saw last night.
Starting point is 00:07:35 And considering we just saw the 49ers beat the brakes, beat the brakes off the Seahawks. Yeah. And so I was expecting the Cowboys to pretty much do the same thing. Right. Because you and I both know how hard it is for the division opponent. No matter how sorry the division opponent is,
Starting point is 00:07:52 no matter how good you are, it's just something about playing in a division opponent that know you, know your tendencies, know what you like to do. Right. And so it makes it a lot tougher. But give the Seahawks credit. They came in nice, did a great job. Probably should have won
Starting point is 00:08:10 the game because on one of those drives, the Cowboys, they got five penalties. They kept the drive alive with penalty after penalty. I think they had five penalties for 22 yards. But give the Cowboys credit, Ocho. They played well. They did what they needed to do. Again, Ocho, they were 4-8 in the red zone.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Now you play the 49ers, you're going to get beat. You go 4-8 in the red zone. You play the Eagles, you're going to get beat. You go 4-8 in the red zone. But they played well. I like what I saw from the Cowboys tonight. Give them credit. Now they got 10 days off to get ready.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I think they got the Eagles coming up in 10 days. Yeah, yeah. If I'm not mistaken, don't they have the Eagles? So what do you think about Dak being an MVP conversation? He should. 23, so I think he had 23 touchdowns and
Starting point is 00:08:55 six interceptions, so now he has 26 and six. Yeah, he'll be in the MVP discussion. And rightfully so. Yeah, absolutely. I think Lamar Jackson is going to be in the MVP discussion. I thinkar Jackson is going to be in the MVP discussion. I think Jalen Hurst will be in the MVP discussion. Tristan McCaffrey will be in the MVP discussion. CJ Shroud.
Starting point is 00:09:12 CJ Shroud, the way he's playing. Got to put his name in there. Yeah. I think, I don't know if he's going to have enough wins, Ocho, to really kind of garner, because the stats are going to say yes. I mean, he's second in the league in passing yards. So his stats are going to say yes. I just, he's second in the league in passing yards. So his stats are going to say yes. I just don't know if he's going to have the win total
Starting point is 00:09:28 that would warrant the real attention going to him. Now, you know, they must run and win. Who knows? They win the AFC South, which is going to probably take 10, 11 wins. Who knows? All bets could be off. I think Tyreek will end up being in that discussion. But here's the thing, Ocho, you know what happened.
Starting point is 00:09:46 The wide receiver has 2,000 yards. The quarterback's got to have at least 45 to 5,000 yards. 5,000 yards, yeah. So they're going to be chipping up each other. They're chopping each other's boats up. But yeah, Dak definitely should be in the MVP discussion considering the way he's played, especially the last month and a half, two months of the season.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Yeah. Absolutely. Playing real good football. And, you know, on the flip side, Gino played a hell of a game. DK Metcalf played a hell of a game. I want to see, even though they lost, even though they lost, and I know DK going to see this, I need you to take over games like that week in and week out. Week in and week out, I need you to do exactly what you did tonight. I don't care who you planned. You have to impose your will on everybody you play. If it's all for the coordinator, if you got to talk to Gina,
Starting point is 00:10:32 if they got to move you around a little bit more, you got to show up like that every time y'all play, man. And you make that offense go. That offense need to go through you. Ocho, you know, sometimes in games like this, it comes down to a miss. Remember that play that had Lockett? And Lockett was lazy getting out the break, and Geno hit him in the head and the ball.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Now you're going to get the ball on the 20-yard line with a first down. That was a beautiful time and two. Man, he let the ball go before he even came out the break. That was beautiful. Yes, yes. And that's why you got to snap. What the quarterback always said, you got to snap that head around.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Before anything else, the head got to come around. It got to. It got to, Ojo. But see, my head had to come around fast because I was playing with a strong-armed quarterback. Right, right, right. So if you lay with your head, he going to hit you upside the head. And the people laughing at you, like, oh, look at you. You think you're playing soccer.
Starting point is 00:11:28 The ball all upside your head. So he was a little lazy with it, and he knew it. He knew it. But that's the difference that when you're a team that win ballgames, you guys make those plays. When you lose in ballgames, you find ways to miss those plays. Let's go talk about Tyreek. Tyreek said he felt like the side chick.
Starting point is 00:11:47 He went on RG3's podcast and I don't know if he's joking or serious. He said, Pat and Kelsey, I was kind of jealous. I was hurt, bro. I was hurt. Patrick, you ain't never invited me over to your house like you did Kelsey. You always invited Kelsey. And that's why we're here where we're at now.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I've never been anybody's side chick before, never always in my whole life, high school, middle school, all the quarterbacks. I was their main chick always. I go to KC, and now I'm the side chick. That's funny. That's funny. Obviously, Tyreek being very, very facetious. You take what he's saying with a grain of salt, a little humor, a little comedy to it, but you take what he's saying with a grain of salt little humor a little
Starting point is 00:12:25 comedy to it but i understand what he's saying his security blanket it is travis kelsey and it always has been always will be but tyreek again being as special as he is he made that offense even more special than what it already was he made it more special and dynamic than already was obviously you can see it's still struggling a little bit with the ups and downs that they're having now. Not having a true number one receiver that can not only take the top off of defense, but can run those intermediate routes, can run those shallow routes, and bounce his head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field. That's somebody special.
Starting point is 00:12:59 That's why anytime I talk about Tyreek, I always put him in a category completely by his goddamn self because we've never seen anything like that before. Other than that, I mean, it's funny. I love his sense of humor, too. He's one of the few players that is playing today that keeps the game entertaining and it forces you and makes you want to tune in to see what's next. Did Carson ever invite you over to his house? No.
Starting point is 00:13:24 No, because they know I wouldn't go. They know I wasn't showing up. Listen, when we leave that stadium, I'm doing two things. I'm going to Cigar Bar, I'm going to the Jazz Club, listen to some jazz sets, or I'm on my video game. I'm not doing nothing
Starting point is 00:13:39 else. Don't invite me to your house because I'm not showing up. I mean, we used to go early in my career we had i had a teammate uh italian teammate named reggie johnson yeah and his girl would cook and she was an excellent cook and we go over there shoot pool play cards yeah that was the thing you know we playing tongue you know we playing bull race what you know about tongue man you know about you know about all that and so i went about tongue. You know about all that. And so I went to a,
Starting point is 00:14:06 but I was, I was not a big, I was not a guy big into going to other people's house. Right, right, right. That, that wasn't my thing. I kind of like,
Starting point is 00:14:13 like, I see you guys, I see you guys there at work. And so once I leave work, Right. I want to, I want to go do my own thing.
Starting point is 00:14:22 I want to be to myself. Right. You know, we go out, I mean, occasionally we went out. I wasn't a big go out type of a guy either, but I get it. I want to go do my own thing. I want to be to myself. You know, we go out. I mean, occasionally we went out. I wasn't a big go-out type of a guy either. But I get it. I mean, I get some guys, you know, they hung out.
Starting point is 00:14:32 They went to each other's house. But that wasn't my thing, Ocho, either. I wasn't big into going to teammates' house either. Yeah. You know, and the funny thing about once you get outside, now what I did do, we didn't hang out at each other's houses's houses but the receivers the receiver room we did some things together sometime we'd go to dinner you know we go to dinner and chop it up uh do some things of that nature but you know going to going to someone's house it's just nothing wrong with it it's just something that i i just i didn't do
Starting point is 00:15:00 well i think to say well when mike got there what what did, what we did do is that he would have what we call casino night. So once you were, no, you break. And the guy that was going to make the team, he'd have a casino night. So they have blackjack, they have craps table, they have all that. And so everybody, he invited everybody over to come down with his wife. They haven't, you know, they haven't all this food and everybody would show up. And that was really fun.
Starting point is 00:15:23 So, because we got an opportunity to win some really nice prizes. Yeah. Pearl necklaces and trips, vacation, things of that nature. So, yeah. Oh, yeah. Mike. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing, Mike was big. Mike was big on team bonding. So we go to training camp. We'd have a day. We'd go bowling. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:42 We'd have a day. So it'd be offense against the defense. So you get your 10 best offensive players, the 10 best defensive players, and we'd bowl against each other. Yeah. Okay? Then we'd have a fishing derby. You know, whoever catch the first fish,
Starting point is 00:15:56 whoever catch the most fish, whoever catch the biggest fish. Oh, yeah. Mike was big into that. He would give us like, okay, guys, had a great week of practice. We had a good couple of days of practice. I'm going to give you the night off. Don't get in any trouble. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:12 Hey, we go, you know, hey, guys go to the movies. Guys back in Greeley, this place called the Smiling Moose. Guys would go up there, blow off a couple of little steam, have a couple of drinks. But it was great. Mike was big. Mike was big in the team building. Team, get the thing.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Get the guy. Know the guy other besides that he played D-line and that his number is 95. Know something about the guy. Know something about him. He got kids. He got a mom. Yeah, know something about him. So that's one aspect of it that I really appreciated about Mike.
Starting point is 00:16:44 I like that Casino Night idea. The only part, I wish I could have been a Mike. I like that casino night idea. The only part, I wish I could have been a part of something like that, something to that magnitude, because I think if there was ever been a time where I would gamble, actually spend a little money for a change, it would have to be- Oh, no, they gave you- He give you money. So he give you fake money.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Yeah. So he would come, you would come, and he give you, say, I think like thirty five hundred dollars. Oh, real, real money. No, no, no. It was. But, you know, the money was fake. But you get an opportunity to whoever have the most money at the end of the night get to buy prizes with the fake money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you get an opportunity to buy the pearl necklace or the diamond necklace or the trip somewhere so that's that's how we did that so what you know we do you know your boy had to hook that thing up you know your boy good with the dice your boy good at blackjack so a couple of guys said sharp is what we gonna do we're gonna
Starting point is 00:17:36 give you our money go ahead and make that thing work for you know i'm looking to flip you know i'm gonna hit a lick now you know your your boy. Right, right, right. You know, rolling them dice. You know, nine, my point. Born in 54. Died in 63. What's my point, Ocho? I give you that. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Oh, we had that thing. That thing was lit. That's dope. But those, that's, you know what, Ocho? And I tell people, that's what you miss. Yeah. Look, the game, the game is the game and the money. I miss things like that.
Starting point is 00:18:10 The bus ride, the casino night, the fishing derbies, the bowling. Those are the things that you, because you're never going to be able to do that again. Nah. You're never going to be able to do that again. And you can't simulate it either. And you can't replicate it no matter how much you try. You can't. Because you know, hey, guys are competitive.
Starting point is 00:18:31 You might start off bull-jiving, but now you're going up there to bowl. The guy's in your ear. The guy's doing the worm. He's moonwalking. You know what I'm saying? He's doing all kinds of stuff to try to throw you off your game. They're yelling. Come on, bro.
Starting point is 00:18:44 You can't be yelling in the bowling. They yelling and screaming. They throwing stuff up in there. Throw the towel. They eat popcorn. Yeah. But those are the days, though. So check this out.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Tyreek got two stories today. Tyreek says he'll cover the salary of the videographer that was suspended by the NFL. Kevin Fitzgibbons, a 20-year-old University of Miami student, had been working Dolphins games since 2022, released a video of how the league disciplined him after Tyreek used his phone to celebrate a touchdown backflip. Fitzgibbons said after Tyreek celebrated with his phone,
Starting point is 00:19:19 he sent the video to the NFL, but then later was notified he would be suspended for the remainder of the season and possibly for good because he had to be disciplined. They said, guess what
Starting point is 00:19:37 they suspended for? Because he jumped up and down. Listen, the NFL, obviously it's all about control. it's it's always it's always been about control it's always been about control they pick and choose when they want to enforce certain rules depending on who it is like it's at this point it's ridiculous man this is entertainment again tyreek being one of the most entertaining players in the league in the game today getting someone that's a part of the nfl involved in the league, in the game today,
Starting point is 00:20:09 getting someone that's a part of the NFL involved in something that you want, a celebration. Not only was it a celebration, it was a very creative celebration, one that had never been done before. And you want eyes tuned into the games, and that is what he's doing. This is a game about entertainment. So when someone chooses to do just that, entertain, why do you fine them for it? And now you have someone losing their job. And from what I understand, I think Tyreek is going to cover the guy's salary for the year. But guess what they did?
Starting point is 00:20:41 Huh? Guess what they did? What? When you sent that video to them, they released it, didn't they? On all their platforms. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course they did? Huh? Guess what they did? What? When he sent that video to them, they released it, didn't they? On all their platforms. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course they did.
Starting point is 00:20:49 You so upset at the guy, you disappointed, why you put it out? Yeah. It's the same thing. Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. You know why they put it out.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Because it's entertainment. It's going to get eyes. It's going to get the fans engaged. It's going to get everybody watching. Which makes no sense. The powers that be the people that sit up there and positions of power with the suit and ties. This is what you want for your game. This is what you want players doing. Now, maybe, you know what you tell Tyreek,
Starting point is 00:21:15 listen, or you tell the guy, you can't be doing that. You can't be, you know, having your phone and flipping boom. I understand, you know, but you don't, you don't suspend the guy for exactly what you want. So what you expect the guy to do? The guy 20 years old. The guy just, somebody just, some NFL player,
Starting point is 00:21:34 not just some, Tyreek Hill just took my phone, did a backflip, doing a selfie. And you don't think I'm about to be excited. I'm a Dolphins fan at the end of the day.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I don't care what anybody tells you. Whome Whoever works in the NFL office, they have a team. And when their team scores, they celebrate when their team does something good. They celebrate. Most definitely. Most definitely. And I think the excuse, the excuse, they definitely suspended. Right. It was a bull drive. It was a bull drive. And they would never be honest on why they did. But the NFL, the powers that be, I'm sure you guys are going to see this. You see everything that we do.
Starting point is 00:22:09 Let's do what's right. If at any moment or any chance you have, let's do it right for the young fella, man, and get him his job back. And give him a raise because you embarrassed the man.
Starting point is 00:22:19 You talk about, oh, we've got to discipline you? Why? Tell me why you got to do it. What did he do? He didn't disrupt the game. He didn't run on the field. He didn't run on the field and hand Tyreek the camera.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Tyreek came and took the camera out of his hand. Out of his hand, yeah. He's like, because I couldn't believe it. Because I'm telling my team, Tyreek just scored a touchdown and did a black backflip while taking a selfie. Yeah. I would have been jumping up and down, too. Unheard of. That's unheard of. just scored a touchdown and did a black backflip while taking a selfie. I'd have been jumping up and down too. Unheard of.
Starting point is 00:22:49 That's unheard of. Just the creativity, the authenticity of what he was able to do is unheard of. It shouldn't be. It's ridiculous at this point. It's to say, Ocho, I see. I know you remember when they used to have big hits and jacked up. They packaged that for years. And then all of a sudden when guys said for concussions and they wanted money, well, what?
Starting point is 00:23:10 Oh, y'all been packaging jacked up and greatest hits for 60 years. Yeah, but you know that all ends when you got to come out of pocket. It all ended. Deion Sanders wins SI Sportsman of the Year. Was Deion winning the SI Award the right choice? I guess they stopped the voting in September? Oh, that's what the people are saying.
Starting point is 00:23:35 The people are saying they stopped. No, no, no, no. Oh, I was going to say. I mean, I guess because they said, you know, he was 4-0, 3-1, and now all of know, he was four and what, four and oh, three and one. And now all of a sudden he had this losing streak. So therefore, basically, he should be disqualified from being an SI sports person. Absolutely not. He deserves exactly what he deserves.
Starting point is 00:23:56 He deserves to be on the on the cover, on the SI cover. What he was able to do in that at that program in such a short amount of time. They went one eleven last year of they went one 11 last year, they went one 11 last year. I understand he went three and over or three and one or four and one or whatever it might've been. He lost the last eight,
Starting point is 00:24:12 but still to be able to go into a program like that, bring your own luggage with you and change it for the better. And it will only continue to get better because you know, with the portal and then when, when the season ends, you know, you have transfers and all that other stuff that goes on. And he told you before the season started, what do I need to compete?
Starting point is 00:24:29 What do I need to compete? O-line and D-line. I need my meat and potatoes. That is the only way I'm going to be able to compete. So we understand the landscape of what he has and the roster that he has. He doesn't have a roster to compete with the UCLA's or the USC's or the UCLA's or the USC's or the Oregon's or the Utah, you know, teams of that magnitude. But once he gets them in, you're going to continue to see that record
Starting point is 00:24:53 improve year in and year out. I'm not sure why people are upset that he won that award. Who else are you going to give it to? Think about it. Tell me who else you're going to give it to except another team that wins every single year. college what college coach no no i don't necessarily i don't think si it has to be a college coach maybe people thinking nicola yokich could have won it or uh uh uh like i said i don't i don't i don't know the candidates who was up for the award the
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Starting point is 00:28:28 playing the same day we're playing, I'm going to catch them the next game. Family over everything. Yeah. What is your take on this? You goddamn right. Shit. I miss a game too. I would definitely miss a game. He got 882 up anyway.
Starting point is 00:28:45 If missing one,'t going to hurt, especially to see your son, his first collegiate basketball game. Absolutely. And the funny thing about it is I'm not sure if anybody would actually have a problem with LeBron missing a game to see his son play, being who he is.
Starting point is 00:28:59 I'm sure they would. You think they would? I think some would because the simple fact is that, you know, you sign up for stuff like this. You're going to miss recitals. You're going to miss stuff. Oh, no, sir. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:29:12 If it's a playoff game, game seven, you missing it? What are you saying, game seven? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. We talking about hypotheticals. Hold on. Time out? No.
Starting point is 00:29:20 You said family over everything. So if it's family over everything, it's family over everything in all situations. So again, let me ask you, playoff game, game seven, NBA finals, you missing it. That's different. I don't think he's missing it. Why not?
Starting point is 00:29:32 No, it ain't family over everything. It just so happens to be family. So he's looking at these games. He's looking at these games. Like I said, me, me, I would because I'm going all in, Ocho. You already know. You hear me talk.
Starting point is 00:29:44 You know how I am about football. You know how I am about football. You know how I am about any sport. I give it my all. Nightcap, like I said, I spent $300,000 on a season ticket and went to one game. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Come on back home to me now.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Come on back home to me now. I told you about spending money like that. You spent $300,000 on Lakers tickets? And how many games have I been to, Ocho? I don't know because I don't watch basketball. One. My daughter, I took my daughter, it was my daughter's birthday, I took on a Thursday.
Starting point is 00:30:14 I signed up to do nightcap. I signed up to do nightcap with you Sunday, Monday, Thursday. Oh, so you missed out on the game because of our union? Because this is what I signed up for. Boy, you know what? You are right, boy. I don't care what they say about you, boy. You are right with me. Now, if you want me to fight, we can do...
Starting point is 00:30:30 I can come to LA. I can do nightcap right there next to you so we can go to the Lakers game because I ain't got no problem. Let me know. I don't want you to waste no $300,000. Boy, tickets cost that much? Man, this is the Lakers. I don't know who paid for the tickets at Philly, but it's a whole different animal out here, bro.
Starting point is 00:30:45 It's a whole different animal. Yeah, I think... Doug works some magic with that. Doug works some magic. 300,000? Yeah, yeah. Like for season tickets? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:57 God damn. For two. Ooh. So all them people be at the core side of lick again they they got they got money like that you see who be sitting down there don't you yeah yeah yeah yeah and you go down there everybody wearing paddocks everybody wearing aps everybody wearing rollies everybody iced out everybody yeah yeah yeah they got it like that. Oh, Joe. Yeah. Listen, I never forget.
Starting point is 00:31:26 I sat courtside with my son. My son was little. He might have been maybe five or six. I sat next to Denzel. This was years ago. I'm not playing around. I'm sure you could find the picture. You could Google it or just pop it up.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And that was the last time I sat courtside. And Ms. Buss actually gave me those tickets back then. This was so long ago because my son was yay high. He got a picture with Kobe. Man, my son might have been five or six. Yeah. Yeah, I'll never forget that. But hold on.
Starting point is 00:31:55 That's 300,000 for only like 22 games. Whoa, whoa. You said – 22 games. Wait a minute. You said – 22 games? Yeah, there's 22 games. Wait a minute. You said – 22 games? Yeah, there's 42 games.
Starting point is 00:32:09 No, no, no. Yeah, there's 42 games. It's 41 games. Oh, okay. Well, I was going to say – It's 82 games. You play 41 on the road. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:17 41 at home. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I thought you said 20. I thought you said 21. I'm like, whoa. Yeah, that's what I got. I got 21 games, and somebody else got 20 games. Oh, so you don't got the whole 40.
Starting point is 00:32:31 The whole 40 would have cost me about $750,000. Oh, nigga. Oh, hell nah. Man, you bullshit, man. Man, you know I wouldn't lie to you about that, Ocho. You got me thinking you got the whole 41 home games. Nah. Nah, we had a lottery system. I pick
Starting point is 00:32:48 a game, he pick a game. I pick a game, he pick a game. Nah, man. Man, they got me fucked up, man. I'm just saying, Ocho. God damn. I signed up to do nightcap
Starting point is 00:33:03 Sunday night, Monday night, and if there was a game on Friday, Friday night. If there's acap Sunday night, Monday night. And if there was a game on Friday, Friday night, if there's a game on Saturday, Saturday night, Monday night, that's what I signed up for. Right. Right. Right. It doesn't call for me to say, okay, you know what? Ocho I did that. That was a one-off. Had that not been my daughter's birthday. Right. And at the time when I got the tickets, I didn't even know we were going to do a night birthday. Right. And at the time when I got the tickets,
Starting point is 00:33:25 I didn't even know we were going to do a nightcap. Right. So I got the tickets way before I had purchased the ticket because I'm like, oh, your boy's going to be,
Starting point is 00:33:33 hey, your boy's going to be sitting at that thing on the court side. I'll be there all the time. They're going to be like, damn. Yeah. And then I get,
Starting point is 00:33:39 then they're like, okay, nightcap is a possibility. You and I talk. We have a meeting. Like, okay. But I'm already at 300 grand. Yeah. Yeah. So now I'm like, okay, what am is a possibility. You and I talk. We have a meeting. Like, okay. But I'm already at 300 grand. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, okay, what am I going to do? So I
Starting point is 00:33:49 told her, I said, baby, she's like, daddy, because she told me, she said, daddy, I appreciate that. Because she's like, I know you don't miss work for nothing. You don't miss work for nothing, daddy. Right. She's like, I don't, she's like, I ain't got that kind of work in the day because I missed my job in a minute. said i don't pay but that's but that's the way i'm wired
Starting point is 00:34:09 right and so although i understand lebron's decision that's not that's not how that's not what i'm not sure i don't think i would have done that right right i i i get what i get what you're saying but but everybody's different though like you said everybody's different, Ocho. Like you said, everybody's different. You say, hey, I'm gone. Oh, yeah, I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm definitely gone. But, boy, man, I'm out of there.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Bro, check this out, Ocho. Let's just say, for the sake of our, I have, like, if my sister had to call me and told me my grandmother passed and it was a Saturday night, I would have played that Sunday. Because I already know
Starting point is 00:34:44 what she's going to want. She's going to be like, I'm already there, boy. What you going to do? Yeah's going to want. She's going to be like, I'm already there, boy, what you going to do? She's going to be like, boy, what you going to do? Go take care of what you need to take care of. Your granny going to be right here. That's our mentality.
Starting point is 00:34:57 My grandfather died. I missed the day of the funeral. She's like, what you sitting home for? Doing what? So that's how I've been my mentality. But LeBron James, am I surprised he's doing it? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I am not surprised when I owe them. But I'll probably feel the same way. Bro, you're our best player. Yeah. We need you. We need you. Especially a regular season game you know we got AD I mean you could stand and based on what LeBron has
Starting point is 00:35:30 accomplished and who he is as a father and understanding you know the makeup and how he moves in general as a father man shit I ain't saying nothing I tell you Bron go ahead if I play for Lakers man go ahead bro I got you tonight I got you what time the game start I have my Lakers, man, go ahead, bro. I got you tonight. I got you. Hey, hey, hey, hey. What time the game start?
Starting point is 00:35:46 Because I have my Lakers uniform on. Go there, catch Bronny. Go there, catch Bronny, get a couple points. Then I head right on back to the Lakers game. That would be dope. But I think the thing, you know what? As I look back and think about what he went through, yeah, Bron, hell, I take the whole week off now.
Starting point is 00:36:02 I wasn't even thinking about what Bronny went through. Hell, this moment like not even happened this year. Yeah, bro. Hell, I take the whole week off now. I wasn't even thinking about what Bronny went through. Hell, this moment like not even happened this year. So hell, bro, what the hell you talking about? I would have told him nothing. They'd be like, hey, where's LeBron James at? Right there, USC, right?
Starting point is 00:36:20 That's my boy. Considering, Ocho, considering the scare that they got, given what Bronny had gone through, yeah, yeah. Now, yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah, missed that mug.
Starting point is 00:36:32 See? I ain't going. See? I ain't going. I ain't going. I ain't going. I'm not. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Yeah, I forget. I forgot all about what Bronny had gone through. Check this out, Ocho. I got Keith Lee, a Texas bakery, the puttery, went from just five customers per day to having lines around the block after Keith Lee gave his door owner,
Starting point is 00:36:55 now proud of stellar reviews for her dessert. I guess she had told him some days she would have only two customers. Damn. He came, gave it, going reviews, lying around the block. I like it. I like it, but I still, I got one problem though.
Starting point is 00:37:13 What is it? I told Keith Lee, and I know he saw my video, when you start going back, doing reviews, let me know so I can do the goddamn review with you. And he's still doing reviews, and I'm still at home.
Starting point is 00:37:30 No. He don't want to do no review with you. Why? He said, cause. Cause what? You question that man. Question that man. I ain't question that man. I just said, you know, the bad critiques. I just, you know how I feel about that, man. I'm giving everybody, I'm giving everybody the goddamn, I'm giving everybody the glory.
Starting point is 00:37:46 No, but you can't do that because if you give everybody a good review and the food ain't no good, now, Ocho, now you damaging your credibility. Well, listen, everybody experiences different. That's like dating one woman and you tell your friend, but you don't want to date her
Starting point is 00:37:57 and then he had a time of her life with her. Yeah, well, hold on, hold on. Did I date her first? You talking about you had a time of, you dirty, man. I can't do that, Ocho. Hell no. You better head on time.
Starting point is 00:38:07 That might have been a bad analogy, but I'm just saying. No, no, no, it's not. No, it's not. No, I get what you're saying. You get what I'm saying? Okay. I was just saying, when I think about the service industry, I want people to us and doing anything and how difficult it is for us to have anything, to have it up and running and to get us to support each other,
Starting point is 00:38:30 because you know how we are. When it comes to us, everything has to be immaculate. It has to be perfect and top-notch. And sometimes it's not always like that. Not always like that, which is why I would always want those reviews to always be, you know, given in a positive manner because we're very fickle. We're very fickle as a society and as a community. And that's all I was saying. But what Keith Lee is doing is fucking amazing. And I promise you, if Keith Lee doesn't take me on his next trip or visit, whatever state he's going to, we're going to fight. Well, I guess I ain't got to worry about nobody coming to my house to eat because they saw my dog
Starting point is 00:39:05 sitting on my lap when I was at Thanksgiving dinner. People was mad about that. I saw that. You said it the last show. You said nothing comes before your dogs, including the woman coming into your life. She have to accept that.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Yes. And people say, yo, grandma, bro, do you know, like, my grandma know I had the dogs and they be at the table? Right. Yes. My grandmother knew that. Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:32 When I grew up, Ocho, we did not have dogs in the house. We had dogs, but they were chained, they were tied up under the shed. Right, right. My grandfather had dogs. My uncle had hunting dogs.
Starting point is 00:39:42 He had bloodhounds, blue ticks, red bones. You know the term red bone? You know where that came from a dog yeah that's a hunting dog red bone a red bone is an actual hunting dog that's what a term that they refer to women as that's where the term came from okay okay okay okay yes blue ticks yes Yeah. Black and tan tree. Yes. My uncles and grandfather had all those dogs, but they were in pens or they were chained up. Cause hunting dogs,
Starting point is 00:40:12 you had to have them in a pen because they get on the trail or something and they gone. They gone. Right. So they get, they get the tracking. Right. It's a wrap.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Gone. Right. So yes, my grandmother had no problem. Once I got dogs, as a matter of fact, I had two Rottweilers, Kane and Killian. I had them in Denver with me. And then I went going to this place and they wouldn't let me have dogs over certain size. I sent the dogs to my sister and my grandmother. I wanted, when I came home,
Starting point is 00:40:46 I wanted to bring the dogs with me to Atlanta. My grandma said, no, you can't take these dogs. I said, granted, but they're my dogs. I'll pay for them. She said, so? You should have let me and your sister have them. Right, right, right, right. No Indian given. No Indian given. Yeah. So she was cool with
Starting point is 00:41:02 the dog. I ain't had the dog on the table. They make it seem like the dog, everybody else had served their food. The dog was sitting in my lap in front of my food. And all y'all talking, y'all women, what you think that hair, that's not your hair. Where you think that hair be at on the table?
Starting point is 00:41:17 Uh-oh, okay, okay. Bump of y'all gums, shedding over everything. Yeah, okay. Now I done got that off my chest. I'm good now. I like what you're doing there. You talking spicy.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Y'all are not going to come between me and my dog. Me and my dog and my family. Because everybody knows how I get down. Hey, I like it. Boy, you stand on business by them goddamn dogs, man. Okay, I like it. Boy, you stand on business by them goddamn dogs, man. Okay, I see you. I see you.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Okay. Now, if my grandmother would have had a problem with it, I'm never going to be disrespectful to my grandmother. If she says, Shannon, I don't want the dogs in the house, the dog's not coming in the house.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Yeah. But at my house, it's just like, Ocho, my mom used to smoke. I said, Mom, you can't smoke in the house. You can go back porch and smoke. Okay. That's my house. It's just like, oh, Joe, my mom used to smoke. I said, mom, you can't smoke in the house. You can go back porch and smoke. Okay. That's my mom. But she respects my house.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Okay. Yeah, that's my grandmother's house. Yes, me and my brother bought that. But I got too much respect for her. They're like, hold on. I wouldn't even come into my grandmother's house after midnight. I would not even bring a girl and sleep in my grandmother's house after midnight. I would not even sleep. I would not even bring a girl and sleep in my grandmother's house.
Starting point is 00:42:28 When I come home, I stayed at the hotel. I didn't sleep in my grandmother's house with a woman because I got too much respect for her, even though she said, baby, hey, you pay for the house. No, no, Grant, I got too much respect for you to lay up with a woman in your home. That's not going to happen. We're going to go to the hotel. It's okay. Yeah, it ain't no risk. It's not the fourth season.
Starting point is 00:42:52 But guess what? It's a respect factor that I had for my grandmother that I'm not coming in the house after midnight. Never, ever have I ever set one foot in my grandmother's house after midnight from the time I was able enough to go out from 13 or 14 till I'm 25, 35, 40. Never. And that wasn't going to happen then. I've never had a woman in my granny's house.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Ever? No! Not to have no sex? No! No, I ain't say to have sex. I mean, just in general. To meet my grandma? Yeah! Yeah, no, Ocho. No, no, No, bro. No, I ain't say they have sex. I mean, just in general. To meet my grandma, yeah. Yeah, no, Ocho, no, no, no, no. Ocho, you know how it is in the South. I don't look at it. I can't
Starting point is 00:43:32 speak for everybody else, but I know where I'm from, that's the utmost respect. I could not in good conscience lay up my grandmother down the hall, and I got a woman laying up in my room. Right. You know, you know where I'm from, obviously. You know, I'm from the city, I'm
Starting point is 00:43:48 from Liberty City. And, you know, people that know me or know my grandma very well, you know, she didn't play that. She didn't play that. She was a school counselor. She was a teacher. She worked for the Dade County Public School System. So you already know she in church every Sunday on Wednesday in Bible study.
Starting point is 00:44:06 I don't need to tell you no more. So you already know what time it is. Bring who in her house? Man, shit. Jameda? Ain't nobody sleeping there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And listen, I had,
Starting point is 00:44:20 and I ain't even finna sit here and stunt, but I had to be in the house before the goddamn streetlight came on. When that streetlight started flickering and she come on that porch and call my name, I better be in distance where I can hear.
Starting point is 00:44:37 We had that light that come on once it got dark. But we'd be shooting basketball. But no, there's... Look, my grandpa, my uncle, guy that, look, my grandpa, my uncle, guys that were dated, my aunts, when they came over to date my aunts,
Starting point is 00:44:52 you know what my grandfather told them? He said, nobody have sex here but me and the girl's mom. Don't play that with me. All that sneaking, Barney Porter didn't play that. Straight up, huh? Go to, I tell you what,
Starting point is 00:45:04 go to Glenville right now. Anybody my age from 50 to 75. Yeah. Ask them about Barney Porter. He ain't play. Ain't play. That's what, matter of fact, ain't no play. He said, grown men don't play.
Starting point is 00:45:17 He said, I remember, Ocho, he said, you know what? The way you play, everybody don't play how you play. Right. So be careful playing with people. Okay. Yeah. All that playing. You see all these people on social media pranking people.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Okay, that's how you play. That's how you play. Everybody don't play like you play. That's a dangerous game. Yes. That's a dangerous game. Man, Ocho, I got slapped so hard one time. You know when I was going, you know people used to say, your mama?
Starting point is 00:45:46 Yeah. Man, I was working in the field, Ocho, and I'd never forget Henretta. And somebody going to cut this clip up and send it to her in Glenville. Man, I told Henretta, she said something. I said, your mama? Bah! Her sister. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Bell. Her name Maybell. We call her Bell. Yeah. Man, Bell slapped her. Tastes out my mouth. I said, what you slapped me for? I Bell, her name Maybell, we call her Bell. Yeah. Man, Bell slapped her, taste out my mouth. I said, what you slapped me for?
Starting point is 00:46:08 I said, her mama. She said, we got the same damn mama. Mama. I ain't do that no more. Yeah. I ain't do that no more,
Starting point is 00:46:17 Hocho. Yeah. So, you playing how you play? Playing, yeah. Everybody don't play
Starting point is 00:46:23 how you play now. They don't play the same. Exactly. T. Exactly. T.I. pulled up on a club in Atlanta. Oh, yeah. Using pictures of his son to promote a party they weren't played for. They weren't paid for. He's like, don't play with me in this city.
Starting point is 00:46:36 You know better than that. You know better than that. You know better than to make a mockery of a family situation like that with a staple of Atlanta. Keep on the A! Why even play? That's like, come on. What we doing?
Starting point is 00:46:53 What we doing? Listen, I like that T.I. stood on business. I like that he stood... For sure! Am I using that terminology right? I'm old now. I'm just trying to make some... Yeah, I'm saying it right? Yeah, stand on business. I'm just trying to make some... Stand on business. Yeah, stand... Am I saying it right? Yeah, stand on business.
Starting point is 00:47:07 I'm glad he stood on business and confronted those people. They know they was dead wrong. They dead wrong for that, man. You trying to promote something. Okay, you want... Hey, you want to promote the man. Pay the man.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And matter of fact, I don't even think they would be able to afford his fee. Let's start there. Well, then don't put the man and son in it. don't put the man and his son on the fly then. Trying to be funny, trying to attract attention, knowing that if you put that on the fly, what everybody going to do?
Starting point is 00:47:32 They going to, hey, Tip, hey, man, you at such and such, you hosting such and such? Yeah. What you talking about? That too, and get people to come. Right. I can see if you in Miami or you somewhere else, okay, tip. Man, nah, hell nah. He got to pick up a phone.
Starting point is 00:47:48 You can't play with that man in there, eh? Because he going to pull up. And rightfully so. He did just that too. He's supposed to. You think they changed it? I don't know what happened. Look, they don't play with T.I. Now, T.I. ain't about that business no more.
Starting point is 00:48:07 But T.I. is about that business. Right, right, right, right. Real business. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. They know T.I. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:16 I know. Do you think some elite athletes in college all of a sudden go to the NFL and forgot how to play football, especially QBs? No. Did he say elite? Yeah. See, Ocho, and this is what I've always tried to explain to people. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Just because you're good in high school doesn't mean you're going to be good in college. Nah. Just because you're good in college doesn't mean you're going to be good in the NFL. Everything is not transferable everybody thinks that all of a sudden well he was a good running back in college well he was a good a wide receiver a quarterback no yeah it don't work like that there were some guys that were okay and then you're like how do everybody is not going to have a stellar career like Peyton Manning.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Come out top-notch with the number one recruited player when he came into college. He was the number one overall draft pick, and now he leads with five MVPs, a Super Bowl MVP, and two Super Bowl titles. And he had all the records, passing yards, passing touchdowns when he left the game. Everybody's not going to have it like that. And so we just, we just, we get so, man, ooh, you see a mojo?
Starting point is 00:49:31 That boy going to be bad in the NFL. Why you say that? Because he bad in college? Nah. It's different. It's different. I don't think people understand the significance and the jump in talent. Yes. the the significance and the jump in talent yes once you get to the nfl you are literally
Starting point is 00:49:48 the best of the best in the world and considered the one percent yeah one percent at your job out of billions of people in the world like think about that and you know i never i never thought about it that way you're the best of the best. So when we talk about some of these players that are the best at what they do, the Tyreek Hills, your C.D. Lambs, your Dak Prescott, your Patrick Mahomes, dog, out of billions in the world, you are the one. The best. The best.
Starting point is 00:50:20 And it's just such a huge jump. And the transition doesn't always translate when you leave college to the NFL. Because the level of talent is damn near equal. Yes. It's damn near equal. The only thing that separates you probably when you get an edge is mentally and being technically sound. Yeah. That's it.
Starting point is 00:50:43 You got to believe. Yeah. I believe that when I stepped on the field, I was the baddest mofo out there. That's it. You got to believe. Yeah. I believe that when I stepped on the field, I was the baddest mofo out there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I believe that was. I believe that everything that I endured up until that point had prepared me for that moment. So there was nothing I was going to encounter on the field that I hadn't already faced a more difficult time coming up.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Right. So now I had to put the work in. I had studied. I had done everything. That's what, see, Ocho, and I'm like, hold on. I'll give you a play last night. Seattle got stopped on fourth down. Okay, what does game tape tell you?
Starting point is 00:51:16 In 31 or 431, D-Law, Demarcus Lawrence, liked to pinch inside. He likes to cross the guy's face. Okay, they got the safety, walked down on the line of scrimmage. Where the hell you think the D-line going? Inside. Force everything to bounce to the safety. And then the tight end let the safety beat him. I'm like, bro, what do y'all watch?
Starting point is 00:51:39 Do y'all watch tape D-Law? And I haven't even broken D-Law down. I'm just watching game coverage, just watching him week in and week out because the Cowboys, I know we're going to talk about the Cowboys. Just watching him. Third and one, fourth and one, D-Law crossing somebody's face. Because I want a portion of the bounce. I'll be there.
Starting point is 00:52:03 I'll be there. To say, bro. I'm like, bro, come on now. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't get it. Ken Fulton asked, there are only three numbers retired in Denver. Do you think Denver will ever retire 84 or 30? You and TD deserve it. I doubt it. I don't, You know, at one point in time, I was like, man, it'd be cool to have a number retired. But then, hell, after everybody done
Starting point is 00:52:29 wore it, after I done had it all night, I don't think about it anymore. I got one retired. I got number two retired in Savannah State. I'm good. I'm good. There we go. You want number 85? You want 85 retired enough
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Starting point is 00:55:33 Insiders on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Isaac Curtis is the original 85. I remember Isaac Curtis. Isaac Curtis is the original 85. I remember Isaac Curtis. Isaac Curtis is the original 85. They changed multiple rules because of Isaac Curtis being the offensive weapon that he was back then.
Starting point is 00:55:52 So I've always showed tremendous respect to him and what he did with the Bengals. But most of the time when people see that number 85, it is synonymous. Did they think Ocho? Synonymous with Ocho. But, you know, most of the time when people see that number 85, it is synonymous. Is it Ocho? It's synonymous with Ocho, you know? When you see the number 85 in general, it doesn't even have to be Bengal related. It's still synonymous with Ocho Senor.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Yeah. Yeah, you know? So, I mean, with all due respect, it's cool. That's cool. I mean, but you know what, Ocho? I mean, think about it. From Liberty City, and you got your name and number up in the ring of fame. So everybody come up in that thing.
Starting point is 00:56:31 They're like, man. What they got? They got Chad Johnson or they got Ocho Cinco Johnson? They got Johnson. I think they should put a hyphen and put Ocho Cinco next to it. Yeah. That's a crazy feeling, man. It is, man. Yeah, and it didn't hit me until after the fact.
Starting point is 00:56:46 You know, during the ceremony, it was cool. My family was there. T.O. was there. You know, my kids, French Friday, all there. And I looked up. They let the little drape down. And I looked at my name. And it was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:57:00 Boom, that's cool. Boom. I shook hands, shook Boomer's hand. I hugged Big Willie. And I hugged Anthony Munoz, Ken Anderson, and then that's it. And then I got home in the bed. I got home to the hotel in the bed with Rel and boom, it hit me. Oh, that's crazy. I'm from Liberty City, man. Born in Jackson Memorial Hospital. Grew up in the 40s during the craziest era of all time. And my name is in a stadium
Starting point is 00:57:32 when the odds were stacked against me. And I happened to make it out. That's unbelievable when you think about it. The comfort where I come from and now to walk into a stadium and your name and your legacy is cemented. Like, they can't take that away. That ain't going nowhere.
Starting point is 00:57:50 No. Like, that's dope. Absolutely not. That's dope, man. That's dope. Christopher Howard asks, with Brandon Staley and Sean McDermott on notice,
Starting point is 00:58:02 which team has the better coaching opportunities and upside, Bills or Chargers? Ooh, that's a good one. Both of them. Shit, from what they got from an offensive standpoint, I like both of them. I like both of them.
Starting point is 00:58:13 And that goddamn roster over there, the defensive roster over there in San Diego, I'd rather go there. Oh, my goodness, yes. Yeah, I'm going to L.A. for the weather. I'm going to L.A. for the weather. I'm going to L.A. for the weather. I mean, because both of the quarterbacks, I mean, you got two big strong-arm quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:58:33 that apparently don't miss games. You got Jen, you got Diggs, Stephon Diggs, you got Gabe Davis, you got two Kinkades, I mean, you got two tight ends, nice offensive line, you go to the Chargers, you got Eckler, you got
Starting point is 00:58:55 Keenan Allen, you got Mike Williams, although he's injured, you got Everett, I mean, both. I think both. Is it Quentin Nelson or Qu it Quinn Nelson or Quinn Johnson? Quinn Johnson. Quinn Johnson. Quinn Johnson.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Quinn Nelson is the guard for the Colts. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Look, the taxes in California are going to eat you up. Oh, yes, they is. The weather is really nice. But, I mean, think about it. I'm getting nine games a year
Starting point is 00:59:25 because I play indoors and the Raiders are indoors. So I'm getting nine games a year in ideal climate. In a beautiful stadium at that. But here's the thing. Here's the one drawback. Patrick Holmes is going to be in this division for another 10 years.
Starting point is 00:59:42 If you go to the AFC East, you got Zach Wilson, you got Mack Jones, and you got Tua. Do you want to deal with one of those guys or do you want 10 years of Pat Mahomes?
Starting point is 00:59:55 Pat your mom. You have to weigh your options. I ain't running for that smoke. I'm going, I'm going, I want to battle Pat Mahomes. You want to battle my whole boy? Yeah, I want to battle,
Starting point is 01:00:04 I want to battle, I want to battle Pat Mahomes? Yeah, I want to battle Pat. I like that. I want to compete. I got a new watch today, too. I forgot to show you. Let me see what you got. What is that? From Target. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Now, it was $10. I posted it on my story earlier today. It looked like a Cartier, though my story earlier today. It looked like a Cartier, though, don't it? It looked like a Carter. It looked like a Carter. They left the I. They just said a Carter. They didn't say Cartier. That's a Carter.
Starting point is 01:00:35 And they ain't talking about Sean Carter, either. Nah, don't play now. You know this thing looks spiffy. It looked real classy, man. It looked real classy. See, if I ain't say nothing, somebody asked me today, they was like, hey, boy,
Starting point is 01:00:47 what you got on your wrist, boy? I said, I was like, man, this shit, Cartier. He ain't know no better. He ain't know no difference. You know, to the naked eye, they'll never know.
Starting point is 01:00:56 But it cost me $10. It looked good, though. Well, you see, good thing I ain't got no naked eyes. I dress my eyes up. I know that was some bull jive. Sean Pearson. Sean Pearson
Starting point is 01:01:07 said, Ogunocho, where do you rank Larry Fitzgerald standing among receivers all the time? I don't think he gets mentioned enough. I like Fitz. I like Fitz. Fitz is one of those, you know what, I'm finna put my hard hat on and I'm finna go to work.
Starting point is 01:01:24 It ain't finna be pretty. If you throw it, I'm gonna catch it. I'm gonna put my hard hat on and i'm gonna go to work it ain't it ain't gonna be pretty if you throw it i'm gonna catch it i'm gonna get the job done every time that that blue collar do it the right way perfect perfect example of model citizen model football player if there was somebody you want to be like it's somebody your mama said if you want if you want to bring an athlete home this is the one you want to bring home you somebody your mama say if you want if you want to bring an athlete home this is the one you want to bring home you know every everything about him he's the real deal top five i think even statistically i love fitzy man yeah yeah i definitely think where he ranks um for me um i think jerry's the greatest right uh and some people argue say well it's randy but
Starting point is 01:02:08 i'm gonna go jerry i mean the man got 197 receiving touchdowns ocho yeah yeah the man got 44 he got 44 more receiving touchdowns than anybody in the history of the game the man got 22 000 receiving yards yeah yeah in an era when they didn't throw the ball like they throw it 60 70 percent of the time now and he was doing things i mean the dude had 22 touchdowns in 12 games so for me jerry is it um i like to at two. I got Randy at three. Right. That's me. Because I just love T.O. I love T.O. on the field and his ability because I know I was going to get everything he got every single play.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Every time. Every single game. Yeah. You know, any time I always talk about, you know, for me, it's like what Jerry was able to do, man. It's just. People take for granted, man. You don't.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Like I say, Ocho, see, people think now. I think the thing is, people think now that football and basketball and baseball didn't start until the Internet came to be. And they just they just like, oh, man, he wasn't. Bro, y'all better go back and look at what Jerry did. Yeah. Yeah. came to be. And they just, they just like, oh man, he wasn't, bro, y'all better go back and look at what Jerry did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 01:03:32 the man went to, he was, I think he was a 10 time first team all pro. Mm-hmm. For a wide receiver. And they only two slots. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:41 It ain't, see, back when we were coming, they didn't have no flex. Right. It wasn't no flex nothing. It was two wide receivers and one tight end and two running backs. You got to go. You got to work.
Starting point is 01:03:54 That's it. Yeah. Yeah, I never had the opportunity to see Jerry play in person. Obviously, I've seen the footage. I've seen the film. I've watched the one-on-ones. But being able to see Moss and T.O. in person for Obviously, I've seen the footage. I've seen the film. I've watched the one-on-ones. But being able to see Moss and T.O. in person for years.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Yeah. And I try to tell people. I try to explain it to them. Listen, watching what Randy did on Thanksgiving with that 3-for-1, 63 and three touchdowns. Or what T.O. did in Dallas. Or what T.O. did in Philly. Or what T.O. did when he was the 49ers. Unless
Starting point is 01:04:23 you were able to see it in person, watching it on film, watching it on YouTube, it would do you no justice unless you saw it with the naked ass. Un-fucking- believable. The receivers of the day are phenomenal. The receivers of the day are great, but they
Starting point is 01:04:40 are nothing. And I mean that in a respectful way. Nothing like watching them two. The guys are skilled now, but the physicality has been legislated out of the ballgame. Yeah. So you can't...
Starting point is 01:04:56 See, a lot of back then, it was all about intimidation. Yeah. It was all about intimidation. And all that talking and all that celebration celebrating okay yeah you want to celebrate yeah oh okay oh they gonna get they gonna get you bro they gonna get you they would take cheap they would take cheap shots at you they would light your ass yeah yeah yeah keep talking keep talking yeah i'm gonna keep talking me i can Keep talking. Y'all gonna keep talking.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Me, I ain't can't look here. Y'all was gonna hit me anyway. Y'all trying to make it seem like the only reason y'all hit me is because I'm talking. No, y'all was gonna get me anyway because I'm on the other team. So I'm gonna keep talking.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Exactly. But guess what? I'm gonna get your ass back too. I'm gonna get you back. Hey, matter of fact, you know what I'm thinking about? What? Calvin motherfucking Johnson.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Man, unfair. fact you know what i'm thinking about what calvin motherfucking johnson yeah man unfair it's like god god god it's like it's like god was messing around up there with the football gods and said boom here you go right cal when i think of calvin johnson and his makeup it's like and and what god did when he created messy obviously completely different statures you know and completely different sports he would just fuck around and say you know what here y'all go and man un-fucking-believable talents to watch in person man they are and i got it like i said i see the, like, the greats and, you know, to see Reggie and Bruce and the DTs and the LTs and the Times and those guys in their prime. Now you get an appreciation.
Starting point is 01:06:34 Yeah. To watch guys just, like, move up and down the line. I mean, they put Reggie at the three technique, the five technique, the seven, the nine. Yeah. It didn't matter. And dominated all of seven, the nine. Yeah. And dominated all of them. Dominated. Yeah. Dominated. To see Bruce, he played a five and just like,
Starting point is 01:06:53 I mean, they changed, well, unabated to the quarterback because Bruce knocked Boomer Sison out of the game. He jumped the snap. He jumped the snap count and they didn't blow it dead. He knocked him out. Hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh, they would literally knock you out of the game. Ocho, they would knock you out, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:07:07 They would knock you out of the game. No, seriously, Ocho. They would knock you out. Your quarterback? Oh, they would knock your quarterback out of the game. That's crazy. It is what it is, Ocho. And the funny thing about it, before you ask the question,
Starting point is 01:07:23 Tyreek Hill is in that same conversation, especially with the boys, too, and he's still playing. Like, he like that. That's how special he is. Oh, yeah. And with his speed, I mean, Tyreek is how old? Tyreek is what, 29 maybe?
Starting point is 01:07:40 He's not that old. Not yet, I don't think. Maybe 27. 28, 29? Because I think Pat Mahomes. I think Mahomes. Huh? 29.
Starting point is 01:07:50 Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. But that's still not 30. But see, the thing is, because of that speed, he's still going to be able to play, put up numbers for another three to five years. I'm talking about the numbers that he's putting up now.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Now, I'm not saying he's going to get, I believe he's going to get 2,000 this year. Yeah. At least I'm hoping. Because I want to five years. I'm talking about the numbers that he's putting up now. Now, I'm not saying he's going to get, I believe he's going to get 2,000 this year. At least I'm hoping. Because I want to see it. I like seeing it. I played, you know, a block for a guy that got 2,000 rush yards. It's something to see. You see a guy get 2,000 rush yards. To see something that
Starting point is 01:08:20 hasn't been done. And to see Tyreek to be the first to do it. Because I think it takes a special guy to see Tyreek to be the first to do it because I think because it takes a special guy because you got to be there every week. You can't miss a game, Mocho. You can't miss a game. And he gonna get one or two big ones too. He gonna get
Starting point is 01:08:35 out of these, what, six or seven left? He gonna get one or two big ones and it gonna put him right over the mark. I think he got six games left. He needs a game where he goes over two. Yeah. That'll put him over 1,500. So now I got five games, Ocho. And now, you know, you get a 125 or 150, you sit pretty.
Starting point is 01:08:55 It's a wrap. Because you know the thing is that you want to have it. You want to be able to catch a smoke route and walk off the field like, I got it. Because they don't to throw it. They don't want you to break that record against them. So they're going to put it. Jalen,
Starting point is 01:09:10 Jalen Waddle might break the record. He might have the most receiving yards in the game. Right. Cause they're going to be, they're going to blow the coverage to make sure that I don't get it. Get it. Yeah. Because remember when T.O. Had to got the record.
Starting point is 01:09:22 Tom Fears had the record of 19 catches. I think 18, 18 catches in the game. Right. Well, got the record Tom Fierce had the record of 19 catches I think 18 18 catches in the game right well it was Jerry Rice's day they like we not gonna let
Starting point is 01:09:31 Jerry go crazy on us and I be damn T.O. don't go for 20 for 255 so that's what that's what happens on Joe
Starting point is 01:09:39 they're like oh no you not been you not been to go crazy you not been to celebrate on us Jayla Waddle gets get 10 catches for 300 yards.
Starting point is 01:09:46 Yeah, I hate them. I hate them games like that. Come hella high water, and they just say, not today. You're not going to get it. And you got to be patient. You got to be patient. You'll get maybe one or two. You'll get maybe one or two balls and hope you can do something with it.
Starting point is 01:10:00 But you ain't getting nothing after that. No. John King asked, Shannon, if you and Sterling switched teams, would you still be the same player you both were? Who do you think would have had the better career? I mean, hold on. So you mean to tell me he's going to come into the league
Starting point is 01:10:15 and he's going to have John away from the jump? Do you realize who threw the ball to my brother before Brent Favre got there? I mean, no. I mean, Anthony Dillwig, Mike Tomczak, he had Don Makowski. Come on, now. Oh, Don Makowski? Boy, he was a real deal.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Bro, you going to give my brother John Elway. So in 88, 89, 90, 91, he has John Elway. Do you know what his numbers would look like? I mean, yeah. I mean, I has John Elway. Do you know what his numbers would look like? I mean, yeah. I mean, I'd have had Brett. I mean, I'd have had Favre got to Green Bay in 92. Yeah. I mean, probably my career is similar,
Starting point is 01:10:56 but his numbers would have been astronomical. So, yo, he'd have a much better career than what he had, and he had a great career even though it was short. Adrian Adderley asked what's more difficult? Hitting a free throw in an NBA championship or kicking a field goal for the Super Bowl? PS for Ocho. The Saxons are the best junkanoo
Starting point is 01:11:16 group in the Bahamas. Valley boys don't do that. Nah he said Saxons Valley boys. He said Saxons. I mean he sounds like he's from the Bahamas. Yeah, it probably is somebody in the Bahamas talking about the Saxons. Valley in your belly. What's more difficult, Ocho?
Starting point is 01:11:35 Hitting a free throw in an NBA championship game or kicking a field goal for the Super Bowl? I think both are equally as stressful. No, they're not. Shit. Because guess what? Ain't nobody trying to block your free throw. You ain't got no win conditions.
Starting point is 01:11:54 But listen, it's still you, you, you having to hit that free throw, you having to make that kick in front of 80,000 people. You got your teammates, all 52 of them, relying on you to make a kick to win a game. You are responsible for that. Right. Free throw. Arena.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Cheering. Loud. Screaming. Fans. People heckling. Making noise. You got to lock in and hit a free throw. Championship.
Starting point is 01:12:24 You got to make both of them to win a game. Game seven series. You make both of them, you win by one. Shit. Man, that's equally yoked, man. It all depends on who's shooting the free throws. You got Ben Wallace. You got Chris Dudley.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I mean, you got Shaq. Who's shooting the free throws to win the championship? And then who's kicking the field goal for the Super Bowl? Do I got a tuck from Baltimore? Do I got Ben and Terry? That's a great question for a Steph Curry and a Justin Tucker. What do you think is much more difficult, to make two shots
Starting point is 01:13:06 to win a series in game seven or to kick a game in the Super Bowl? How far does the field go? How far does the field go? Oh, that, that, that, you got to take that
Starting point is 01:13:14 into consideration as well. That's a good one. That's a good one. I mean, the guy that just kicked a 59-yard in a driving rainstorm. Yeah, that was, that was, that was clutch.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Give me the free throw, Ocho. That was clutch. That was clutch. Or Vinny Thierry kicking the ball, kicking a 45-yard me the free throw, Ocho. That was clutch. That was clutch. Or Vinatieri kicking the ball, kicking a 45-yard field goal in a driving snowstorm. Yeah, that was a good one, too. Come on, now. You're right.
Starting point is 01:13:34 I mean, but I think the thing is, Ocho, is that the question is, pressure is what you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing. Because if you haven't been in those situations before, I mean, how many times has Steph Curry gone to the free throw line? With a game on the line? Justin Tucker was a rookie and kicked the game winning field goal in Denver. To send the Ravens to the AFC championship game in New England. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:13 So he's been in those moments. Steph Curry has had to make a free throw possibly to get a team into overtime or to win a game. Right. Now you take someone that's never been in those situations. Now. You take someone that's never been in those situations. Now, the knee is knocking like you think somebody knocking on the door. Yeah, it's different. It's different.
Starting point is 01:14:35 But, like, you know, that's a great question. Now that you're asking, the players that have been in those situations or clutch situations or moments like that where the Super Bowl is on the line or a championship is on the line, do you think they're nervous? Yeah. You think so? Oh, you understand the moment. You understand the moment or a championship is on the line, do you think they nervous? Yeah. You think so? Oh, you understand the moment. You understand the moment. Yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Starting point is 01:14:50 You understand the moment. Yeah, you know, because, I mean, that's the Super Bowl. And as much as you try to make the Super Bowl just another game, everything's going to be the same, 15-minute quarters. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Jonathan Batista. Ocho, have you ever heard you and ASAP Rocky look related? Y'all could be cousins. Man, that is my cousin, man. I've said that millions of times. Rocky has also said that on Instagram many a times. I'm not sure why people are still confused that we resemble each other. I'm just lying. No other. He's lying.
Starting point is 01:15:26 No, I'm not lying. You're a liar. I think Ojo computer went out for a second. I hope he didn't lose his charge. I think I'm still going so I guess I keep asking some questions. Ish Moves One said Oh, did you see Ocho Vegas commercial?
Starting point is 01:15:47 And can we rate his rap skill? Love y'all. That's what y'all call those skills? Y'all call that what he do in rapping? Look, I haven't seen the whole commercial. I saw a little snippet of it, but he got in character. So the one thing I know about
Starting point is 01:16:07 Ocho, he gonna fool y'all. He gonna make y'all think he Tupac. I mean, he gonna be up there like, oh, yeah, bro, I hit that with nothing. Look, when it comes to entertaining, I don't put nothing past Ocho, because he's the ultimate entertainer.
Starting point is 01:16:24 He embodies, he captures, he embodies the, the, the moment. And so would I be surprised that he hit it out the park? No, I would be more surprised that if he did, because knowing that he loved the entertainment, he loved that. He's a showman. He loves being in front of people. He loves being in front of the camera. So, yeah, I got no doubt in my mind that Ocho knocked it out of the park.
Starting point is 01:16:54 I saw a little snippet of it, but I'm going to wait until the end. I think it's going to be a Super Bowl commercial, right? It's a Super Bowl commercial, right? So I'm waiting to see that during the Super Bowl. Hey, let's be real. With no hate for the Cowboys, if Romo had a defense,
Starting point is 01:17:07 the Cowboys had the last two years he's winning a Super Bowl. Be real, Uncle Nocho. Dad's caught it. We all know it. No, first of all, the mere fact that you signed Jonathan, excuse me, not Jonathan, Nathan High Voltage 52.
Starting point is 01:17:24 The mere fact that you signed off said, objective Cowboy fan, lets me know you full of caca. Dad didn't catch it. In order for you to catch the football, at the time, a catch was, if a receiver goes to the ground, he must maintain possession
Starting point is 01:17:44 throughout the entirety of the process. So coming in contact with the ground. He must maintain possession throughout the entirety of the process. So coming in contact with the ground, basically you need to stand up and hand the ball to the official. Brian make the rules, bro. Calvin Johnson,
Starting point is 01:17:55 they set that precedent a year earlier or maybe, you know, two years earlier with the Calvin Johnson situation. When he got, when he caught the ball and tried to get up
Starting point is 01:18:04 with the ball with one hand and he said, nope, not a catch. So, no, Daz didn't catch it. And Romo was too mistake-prone in order for you guys to win a Super Bowl. You can't be mistake-prone and win the Super Bowl because you're going to end up putting a defense at a disadvantage.
Starting point is 01:18:24 So, I disagree that had Romo had a real defense, he had a defense. Y'all had 10 Pro Bowl players one year. Damn, how many Pro Bowl players? There's only 22 spots. Y'all had 10 of them. No. Tony Forbes says, oh, you're talking about both sides of your mouth, the back deck and the offense, they put up 41 points. Tony Favre says oh you're talking
Starting point is 01:18:45 about both sides of your mouth the back deck and the offense they put up 41 points bro how many teams scored 56 it's not the point oh
Starting point is 01:18:52 Troy it's not the point how many games have you lost this year because of the red zone in Akron
Starting point is 01:19:01 so what about Philly would you have run would you have run the game in Philly if they went three for three? What did you go? See, I mean, I can't win. I give you credit.
Starting point is 01:19:14 I say this is a good team because when your defense didn't have it, you scored 41 and you're outscoring 41-35. Okay, your defense, you know what? You say you're a good defense. Can you do what you need to do when you have to? Three stops on fourth down.
Starting point is 01:19:30 Well, damn, what you want me to do? I'll be telling you what you want me to do. Troy, what you want me to do? I give him credit. You don't like the way I gave him credit. The fact of the matter is you can critique, you can be pleased with something, but not satisfied.
Starting point is 01:19:46 That's your problem. And I told you that's what's going to get you in trouble because you accept things in a win you never would in a loss. Had they lost the game, would you have been okay with that? You wouldn't have. And then you're going to talk about penalties. Again, look at you. You okay with the penalties?
Starting point is 01:20:02 Nah, but the penalties don't matter. We won the game. Okay. I'll check back with you in a couple of weeks. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy says, today is my birthday. May I please get
Starting point is 01:20:12 a birthday shout out or a few coins to buy me some LaPortier? Dr. Frankie. Happy birthday. Chad just called me and said his computer caught on fire. See, that's what you get for being cheap.
Starting point is 01:20:27 My computer will never catch on fire. Get on your cell phone. Happy birthday, Dr. Frank L. Bellamy. Appreciate the support, man. Uncle J. J. Uncle Ocho. That'll be the first live event that
Starting point is 01:20:44 I can't broadcast from. Not Uncle Ocho. That'll be the first live event that not I can't broadcast from, not including Ocho's wedding, as I believe that's already been asked. Probably, we're probably going to have an event at the Super Bowl this year. We're definitely trying to get that worked out. Ocho and I will be at the same location, have a live audience. I think that would be really, really cool, and I can't wait for that to happen. Again, guys, thank you for joining us tonight.
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