Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Did LeBron Need Miami & How Long Can You Cuddle For?

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the lackluster Thursday Night Football game between the Chicago Bears and Carolina Panthers, if LeBron James needed his Miami Heat stint to reach GOAT status, how long is TOO long to cuddle before bed, the joys and tragedy of pet ownership, and much more.  #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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us. The Bears defeat the Panthers. Good thing the Bears did that because they possessed the Panthers number one pick. There's a good chance they might get the first and the second or the first and the third picks in this year's draft. Bears defeat

the Panthers 16-13. Tyler Bajet, 20-33, 162. Bryce Young, 21-38, 185. Wasn't a whole lot going on in this game, Mocho, but what was one of your takeaways from it? I mean, it really wasn't much to take away. I'm not going to lie to you. I respect everybody that was on the field tonight, but it was a boring game. It wasn't a good game at all. Both sides of the ball, there was a lot of pun. If anything, it was a kicker's game.

That's what I like to call it. It was a kicker's game. Outside, you had a special team touchdown by the Panthers. Other than that, it was a slow game on both sides of the ball. Kemet had a very good game. He's become a security blanket for Tyler

Bajent. How do you say his name the right way? Bajent. Bajent. He's become a security blanket for Bajent. He did well. I would like to see DJ Moore get a little bit more involved and make that offense a little bit more

prudent, you know, and efficient. But he did what he could to do the catches. I mean, some of the plays that did go to him, he made the most of those. Other than that, this was a bad one, man. This was a bad one. I'm not sure who slays these Thursday night

games or what they saw beforehand as opposed to why they did it. No disrespect to the Bears or the Panthers, but this was bad. It was a snooze fest, and that's no disrespect. I mean that in the most respectful way. You know, the problem is, Ocho, is that you got two teams, one playing with a Division II quarterback, and the other is a rookie.

And there's not a whole lot of talent on the offensive side of the footballs on either side. And then you get them on a short week. So what did you expect to happen? You're not getting Kansas City and Cincinnati. You're not getting two of the more high-flying offenses. You're getting, you know, basically you're getting two rookie quarterbacks.

One, although he was the number one overall draft pick, the other is a Division II quarterback. I don't know if we could really expect a lot more. I think the Carolina's going to have to get a lot better and real soon

because Bryce Young is only 5'10", 190 pounds. He can't take that kind of pounding. He can't keep picking himself off the ground, Ocho. They've got to get him some talent. They've got to get him some playmakers. And feeling, you know, he's not the same Adam Thielen he was five years ago in Minnesota. We understand that.

And they're going to probably have to go out into the free agent market because, remember, they gave up so much in order to draft Bryce Young. So now it's hard for you to develop because you're going to be picking, you know, third, fourth round. It's not to say you can't go find a wide receiver in the third or fourth round. You can, but it makes it harder. You're probably going to have to build through free agency. That's probably the way. And Chicago.

Chicago's going to get Caleb Williams. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Remember what Caleb Williams said now. If he has to go to a team that's really bad, he won't do it. I'm not sure. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Honestly, let me give you an honest opinion. You got a chance.

There's a chance you go to a team, and that's not where you want to go. But you know the moment you sign, you got $40 million fully guaranteed. You go back to college, and what's the potential? ACL, Achilles, blow out your shoulder. What are you doing? That's a good one. I like when you put it like that, when you give me that analogy, that hypothetical analogy.

Obviously, I'm going, but I think Caleb Williams is stuck on that. Remember, was it Eli Manning? Who was drafted? Was it Eli Manning that was drafted to the Chargers? And they said, uh-uh, it ain't happening. Right. It ain't happening. Right. It ain't happening. I mean, I'm not sure if Caleb Williams has the same type of pull,

being that that's NFL. Well, he ain't got a brother named Peyton and a dad named Archie. Right, right, right, right, right. I'm not sure if he had that type of leverage, but as good as Caleb Williams is, as much as he is sought after as far as being the number one pick, I really think he's going to stand on business about having to go to a team like that that is extremely bad. He's going to take the brunt of the issues and the problems with that franchise.

I really think he is. I don't believe he stands. I don't believe he does. I'm not running the risk. You'd be foolish. And you just saw Aaron Rodgers take four snaps and his Achilles go. Right. You just saw Kirk Cousins, who really never missed any game,

and his Achilles. We've seen guys just non-contact injuries. And I don't want to put that in the air, but you have to weigh all those options. You said Eli said, well, I don't want to go play with that team. But Eli said that after they had taken him number one overall. So to say you're going to go back and play. Remember now, he

didn't go back to Ole Miss. He said this, and the Chargers did him a solid. And they got, you know, they got Phillip Rivers. They drafted Sean Merriman. They got some pretty good players out of that. So, for

me, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure i'm not so sure i don't believe he stands on business i know it sounds good and it's like oh man he's gonna do it you saw john elway do it and you saw eli manning do it but uh it's so much money involved now you're talking about 40 and here's the thing ocho going back to college puts you another year further away from that $300 million contract. That's how you got to think now. See, you can't think about, well, I'm going where I don't want to go. That's another year you kick the can down the road because by the time he

comes up, the contract is going to be $300, $350 million. Right. So are you willing to put that off for another year? I don't believe so, Ocho. I'll be honest. I don't. Do you think the Bears are going to have the first pick? And are you ready to move on?

Are they ready to move on from Justin Fields? Here's the thing, though. See, they got their first round pick and they got Carolina's. No, they're going to get the first round pick from Carolina. That's what they're going to do. They got Carolina's pick. Because remember, the Bears get the first round pick from Carolina. That's what they're going to do. They got Carolina's pick. Because remember, the Bears had the number one pick. They traded that.

So guess what you can do? I'm going to take Caleb Williams. I can trade Justin Fields. I can get another first and a third or a first and a fourth. So now guess what, Ocho? I can have me three. So I have a question. Do you know what order they're picking? Because if you go Caleb

Williams first, is it possible to get Marvin Harrison Jr., or that's not even possible? It's possible. How good are the Bears going to be? How many games are they going to be? Am I willing? I don't know if I'm willing to package the second pick in the draft and maybe the two top

10 picks. I mean, maybe if he's that high maybe if he has that high of a grade, sure. If you think he's that good, if you think he can be – because think about where Justin Jefferson went. Right. He went like 18, 19. Right, right, right. So you look at some of the top receivers, I think, of the guys that are playing off the charts right now, only Jamal Chase went in the top five. Right, right, right. So you look at some of the top receivers, I think, of the guys that are playing off the charts right now,

only Jamal Chase went in the top five. Right, right. Look where A.J. Brown went. Look where Justin Jefferson went. Look where C.D. Lamb went. Look where Tyreek went. Look where Stephon Diggs went. Right.

Yeah, but Marvin Harrison Jr. is special. He's special. He's a game-chamber. He's a friend. He's a franchise game-changing type player. He's dynamic from anywhere on the field. He can score. He can hit his head off the goal post from anywhere on the field. So now that I'm thinking, I know I'm thinking far ahead,

but if the Bears are able to get Caleb Williams and also find a way to manage and get Marvin Harrison Jr., man, that'd be beautiful. That'd take some of the weight off of the coordinator. But here's the thing. Plus, you get Marvin Harrison Jr. You pair him with a DJ Moore. You pair him with a Cole Kermit.

Now you got something. You're quarterbacking. You got young guys that your quarterback can grow with. That's nasty. Yeah. So that's how you got something, your quarterback, and you got young guys that your quarterback can grow with. That's nasty. Yeah. So that's how you got to think. You got to think, get these guys to see the thing. People don't realize when Peyton got there, he had Marvin.

He had Marshall Falk. They traded Marshall Falk, and then guess what? They got Edger and James. And then guess what? A couple years later, they got Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne. And guess what? Then they went and got Dallas Clark. And then they paired him with

Brandon Stokely, and then they got Anthony Gonzalez. So you see how you see what they did. That's what you do. And you get these guys. I mean, Phillip Rivers had, he had Antonio Gates basically from the jump. Ben had Hines for a number of years.

He had Plaxico. He had Antoine Randall-El. What's the receiver that ended up winning? He ended up winning a Super Bowl MVP. Ended up getting traded. Oh, Santonio. Santonio. You see what they did? Yeah,. Getting traded. Antonio. Antonio. You see, you see, you see what it you see what they did.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what. Look what. Look. Patrick Mahomes. Had a Travis Kelsey.

Yeah. Have him gave him a Sammy Watkins. He had a Tyreek. Oh, yeah. I see. He got. Yeah. So give your young guy

I don't care how talented he is he can't overcome poor wide receiver play or poor skill position play you got to give him weapons if you wanted a guy to cook give him some great ingredients to make a great dish it's really that simple Ocho

but yeah it wasn't the best game but Thursday I mean what do you expect Ocho you know yeah, it wasn't the best game. But Thursday, I mean, what do you expect? Because you, Ocho, you know how it was, man. I didn't start to feel good till damn Friday. How the hell do you expect me to play and get beat all up? I played 65, 70 plays on Sunday and then I got to turn and flip it right around

and do it again. You know, today was, ah, it's bad. I hate to say that. As much as I love the game of football, it was hard to watch. It was hard to watch. But it's one thing I know. And I hate to skip ahead like this. But next goddamn Thursday, them goddamn Bengals and them Ravens.

Yeah. I'm looking here, boy. Ooh, that's going to be a good one. That's the one I can get up from. And you know what? And guess what, Ocho? If you sore, they're going to knock the sword inside you. That's one thing.

You know the Ravens, man. Hey, that's one thing. Having been in that organization for two years. Oh, they're going to play defense now. Oh, yeah. That's more than a slogan. When they say play like a Raven, oh, they absolutely. They meant it.

Listen, any time it was Ravens week, Marvin Lewis always had a motto. A motto. It was called, bring your second chin strap because you was going to need it. Because they going to knock the first one off. Check this out, Ocho. I know you saw this. Earlier today, the Westminster Dog Show tweeted. Yeah.

They have no record of Chad being a judge in 1993. No, they didn't say that. They didn't say that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Okay, what did they say? They said,

they said, we checked the records from 1993 and I was there. There's no indication. They didn't say that. I was there. I had the photos. I can get the photos right now. I wish you would.

What group? What group? I told you what group. It was the toy group. It was the toy group. It was the toy group. I judged the toy group. What group did you judge? The toy group.

Oh, okay. And I can tell you who won. Who? 1993. It was a Bajon Fris. A Bajon Fris named Stanley. No, actually, the Bajon Fris, J.R. His name was J.R., and he was handled by Scott Summer.

I don't think he won until 2003, 2004. That was the first year that B. Sean won. Not 93. It was 93. How you gonna tell me? How you gonna tell me? You do realize that. Hold on.

You do realize, like, I actually covered the Westminster Dog Show. Hold up. You covered and I judged. You covering and me judging is two totally different things. Okay, since you judged, how many teeth does a dog have? How many what? Teeth does a dog have?

Is it what? 40, 43, right? 42. How many on the top? How many on the bottom? It's more at the top than it is at the bottom. No, it's more at the top. It's less at the top than it is at the bottom. It's more at the top than it is at the bottom. No, it's more at the top than it is at the bottom. It's less at the top than it is at the bottom. No, it's more at the top than it is at the bottom.

It's 20 at the top and 22 at the bottom, Ocho. Wait, you laughing? I ain't far off now. I wouldn't lie to you, Ocho. Ocho, you know I wouldn't lie to you. I think you're lying to me, though. I wouldn't lie to you. But I know. Come on, give me some more questions. I know about my dog.

When I covered it, obviously, you know, you had to know what you're talking about. And they asked me what breed would I like to you. But I know. Come on. Give me some more questions. I know about my dog. When I covered it, obviously, you know, you had to know what you're talking about. And they asked me what breed would I like to cover. Now, I've owned Rottweiler, Vaquitas, Bullmaster, Pomeranian. You had an Vaquita? I did. They beautiful, man. Beautiful.

God damn. You got your work cut out for you with dealing with those. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They're loyal. that's the most loyal dog i ever had right did you hear the story about the uh hachi they had a guy in japan he used to go to work he had to catch the train right to go to work which was about 35 miles away he was he was a professor right and the dog would go walk to the train station with him go back home and around the time the dog and he would wait he would wait for the dog. He would wait for his owner to come back.

His owner had a heart attack one day and didn't return. He went to, he'd go back to the train station every day for nine years and wait for his owner to come back. And he never came back every day. They're loyal like that. We would literally have to give my dog anxiety medicine. Because when I left to go, I was working at CBS at the time. Right, right. He would literally throw up. He would just sit in the window. He would just sit in the window and wait for me to come back home.

He wouldn't eat. He would just sit there and wait. I have a question. Now, you've owned a lot of dogs. And there's a pain. There's a pain that I can't deal with. And I'm not sure how you're able to withstand that pain. The, the, when you lose a dog, when a dog passes away, how do you deal with that pain? It took for me once I got to high school, once I got to high school and I lost, I lost my bulldog. I couldn't do it no more I couldn't stay in that pain no more

there's no pain like losing an animal man that you've had for 9-10 years how do you continue to do it and put yourself through that because the love that I have for them and the love that they give me Ocho and I told you this when I had

I lost Titus, no Titan. I had a bull, a mastiff. I had two, lost both of them, named Titan. And the thing was, what hurt me so bad is that he was only 30 months old. And when I was explaining to the people as I was posted, I was talking to them on Facebook that I was going to have to put him down.

I said, some things can only be seen through the eyes that have cried. Unless you've had a pet and lost it, you can possibly, and people say that all the time. And people that ask me, like, man, how you,

you never owned a pet. Now, Samson, Samson, I remember Samson was the kid that I had. And I remember my girlfriend at the time calling me and she said, well, she said, Shannon, he's not doing well. I don't know if he's going to make it until you get home. That was Saturday.

Yeah. So he'll make it. I said, he's not going to go until he sees me. So when I get home, I get because I couldn't come home. I couldn't come home that night. I had to come home early the next morning. So I caught the first flight out. I get, cause I couldn't come home. I couldn't come home that night. I had to come home early the next morning. So I caught the first flight out. I get home. He's laying on the floor on her side of the bed. And I walk it, I walk into the room. I called him Bo.

I didn't call him Sam. I called him up. I said, Bo, he lifts his head up and he's thumping his tail. He could, that's all he could do. He could just thump his tail, just thump his tail on the floor. And it was like, okay, I'm good now. I done saw daddy. I'm good. So by that time, we've already made, you know,

the nurse was going to come over and they was going to, you know, going to put him down. Ocho, I'm talking about it was almost instantly. He was so ready to go. Man, as soon, I'm talking about it was almost instantly. He was so ready to go. Man, as soon, I'm talking about probably one drop, he was gone. He just, he had to see me. He wasn't going to go until he saw me. It's the same.

All my dogs are the same way. I had a Tonka man, Ocho. He was perfect. I'm talking about he was jumping up on the bed and everything. And Thursday, he had like a little limp. I said, but okay, he's okay. He's getting a little old, but I'd say he's okay. Friday, he struggled, but he came up the stairs. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to take him to the bed. If he don't get any better than this Monday, I'm going to take him to the bed. So he doesn't get any better than this, Monday, I'm going to take him to the bed. I'm upstairs on Saturday morning and I hear him struggling trying to come upstairs.

I run down the stairs. I got the two little ones at the time, Taz and Tarzan. I got the two little ones and I go downstairs. I said, nah, don't worry about it, buddy. So, I grab my keys. I had my phone because I already knew I was going to take him to the vet.

I said, you want to go for a ride? He loved a ride. Oh, Joe, he take two steps outside and falls. So now I got to pick a 167-pound dog up, and I got so much adrenaline going, I pick him up like he a pillow. I put him in my car, and I'm driving to the vet. I got the windows down. He's looking out the window because he loves.

He has a seizure. So now I'm driving down Wilshire. He's having a seizure about to jump out the window. So I've got to hold the steering wheel like this and grab him and pull him back so I go away I run into the bed I said my dog had a seizure you know blah blah blah he can't walk so they get there and ask and say well what happened I said we we came outside I was gonna bring him here and he just collapsed he just doesn't have any any um any movement in his in his hind legs it says okay we'll we'll see what we can do for him.

I drove out of there saying he's never going to be the same boy, he's never going to be the same Tonka man again. So he stayed there. They ran some tests, and they say, well, Mr. Sharp, they think he had a blood clot, and it paralyzed him from his back down. I went and got him. That Wednesday, me and my girlfriend, we went and got him. I rode him around.

I always would take him around. Every day, I took him around the block. I took him to his favorite, took him to the scenic route around. She made him his favorite meal. She made him steak and potatoes. Ria, who's a good friend of mine who used to watch him as a puppy, she came over and saw him. She said, can I come over and see him?

I said, yep. CJ, my producer, came over and saw him. She said, can I come over and see him? I said, yep. CJ, my producer came over and brought him some treats. Had the guy come over. I said, boy, it's going to be okay. I said, Tonka Man is going to be okay. And I put him down.

But Ocho, people say, you know, I've heard people say, you know, I found happiness., I found myself. Happiness is happiness and self. Is it something you find? It's something you create. Yeah. I've created a happiness with those dogs that it's indescribable. And like you say, oh, it's pain.

Cause my sister, I had two Rottweilers at first and my sister, I gave them to my sister because of the apartment complex wouldn't let me have two dogs. And so I told my sister, she, you know, to take them, man.

And one of them dogs lost. She said, Shannon, I'll watch your dogs, but I don't want another one. She said, she said that pain hurt me. Like I lost a want another one. She said, that pain hurt me like I lost a child. And she

actually did lose her son. And she said, Shannon, it hurt like that. She said, I don't want another one. She said, I'll watch them. I'll come, stay as long as you need me to stay. She said, but Shannon, I can't do this again. So I understand what you're saying, but man, Ocho,

I've had a dog every year since 92. I can't imagine my life without one. I can't. Yeah, I can't. I can't deal with that pain. You sitting here telling me, you telling me stories of your dog. You got me over here crying and they ain't even my damn dog. I ain't even lose them.

That's the type of, that's, no, I can't do it. I can't withstand that pain again. When I lost my dog, that bulldog, when I was in high school, never again. Never again. Because they don't ever get upset at you. Ocho, you can yell and scream and leave the house. When you come back, they're going to be waiting on you at the front door. Man, where you been?

Man, I've been waiting on you all day to get back home. You just not get back home. Come on, let's go to the backyard. you what you eating give me some of what you eat there's nothing like a love that an animal i mean yeah i've never owned a cat but you know cat people say the cat give them the same type of love and satisfaction that a dog does yeah so uh oh you know what i wanted to get and i know you probably heard of it by now I wanted to respond to some of the criticism and I normally don't respond to the criticism because I don't I don't care anyway and there have been a lot of guys there have been a lot of people taking shots

at me personally but we know why they see Unc and Ocho they see the success that we're having they see Club Shea Shea the success that I'm having doing that they see the success that we're having they see Club Shea Shea the success that I'm having doing that they see the success that I'm having on ESPN so sometimes the only success someone can have

is that they take a bite out of you that's their success is by biting you and I'm cool with that but I was asked and I think the question was

is that LeBron said he would be still the same player absolutely had he never played in Miami. Absolutely. And two things can be true. I believe LeBron James would have still been

the all-time leading scorer. I still believe LeBron James would have scored 30,000 points, had 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists. I still believe he would have been a first-team all-NBA player. I still believe he would have been a multi-time all-star player. But the pushback that I'm going to give, I do not believe he's LeBron James that we know without that stand in Miami.

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So now he's four and two. There's only a handful of people. Now you got to go go there's only three people before LeBron did it Wilt got four Jordan has five Russell has five and I think Kareem has six so there's four people so now LeBron is an exclusive company so now people got like hold on wait a minute and he had him at the age of 28 so now he goes back to cleveland he gets another title four and three he goes to la he gets another title now he's four and four so now he's an elite company he's one of one of two men to win multiple MVPs, two locations. Kareem, three and three.

Three in Milwaukee, three in LA. He's one of two men to win multiple MVPs, finals MVPs at different locations. Kawhi, San Antonio, Toronto. Kareem, Milwaukee, LA. LeBron James. So could you still be the same player? Yes, but not the player we know.

Because without that, because whether you see, here's the thing, Ocho, you can't say, and everybody keeps saying, he could go anywhere and win those titles. Yeah. Kevin Durant. At that age, he can. Kevin Durant went to Golden State,

stayed three years, won two titles, finals MVP both years, got hurt the third year, even though advanced, they lost. He went to Brooklyn for four years. How many more times, how many more championships he won? Whoa, can I ask you a question? Let me stop you right there. We talk about LeBron James.

Okay. We talk about the greatest play. We talk about the greatest play on the planet that will change the dynamic of any team he's on. So in his 20s, in his early, in his late, late, late 20s, they say 28. He could have went anywhere. He could have went to any team. Why did he go to Miami?

And they would have been in the finals. Why did he go to Miami then? The way he told him to come on home. No, no, no, no, no. But you said he could have gone anywhere. I mean, he could have gone anywhere. That was the best chance for him to win. Am I correct? What? Obviously, he could have gone anywhere. That was the best chance for him to win. Am I correct?

Obviously, he wanted to pair himself. He wanted to pair himself with Bosh and Wade. I mean, but see, Ocho, see, this is what this would be. You can't say you remember he won with Cleveland, right? Yes. Who did he have on the team with him? But here's the thing. What knowledge did he take back that he had acquired from Miami back to Cleveland?

How to win. Oh! So where did he learn that? In Miami. Okay, then. So without that state in Miami, is he the same? Do we view him the same? Without those four MVPs, without those two other MVPs,

because here's the thing, Ocho, this is what we got to look. If he doesn't get those two MVPs regular season and those two final MVPs, how do you put him in front of Kareem? Kareem has six regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs, five titles. How do you put him in front of Jordan? Who's six and six.

How do you put him in front of Tim Duncan? Who has five titles, three finals MVP, two regular six and six. How do you put him in front of Tim Duncan, who has five titles, three finals MVP, two regular season MVPs? How do you put him in front of Magic? Magic has three regular season MVPs, five finals, three finals MVPs. How do you put him in there if he doesn't have that Miami stint on his resume? You're underestimating how great LeBron is. I think if he didn't go to Miami, if he chose to go somewhere else, regardless of where it would have been, I think the outcome would have been the same.

Even he said it. If you read LeBron James' tweet, this is what LeBron said. You damn right I would still be. I'm chosen. Ain't nothing changing. Maybe less rings, but dominant from start to finish. Even he said it. He said maybe less rings, but dominant from start to finish. Even he said it. He said maybe less rings, but common sense of the eye test will tell you

wherever LeBron goes, that team come hell or high water is probably going to be in the finals or in contention to be in it. No, no, no, no, no. It's always been that. You got to win it. It's always been that with him. Hold on. It can't be contention because he went to the finals four years in Cleveland.

He won one. Yeah. He's only won one title in LA. He's been here five years. So we can't automatically assume because that's hypothetical. Let's deal with what we know, Ocho. We've got to deal with what we know. And that's what I'm saying.

Because now, without those two extra MVPs regular season, without those two extra finals MVPs, guess who else you bring into the equation? One Stephen Curry. Yeah. Because Steph has four. Yeah. Steph has two MVPs.

And a final MVP. So now let's just say for the sake of argument, LeBron has two regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs. MVPs, yeah. Are we looking at LeBron the same way? Yeah, we are. No, we're not. Because he's different.

No. He's different. I mean, he's different. So are you basing his greatness solely on MVPs and titles alone? No, no. That's it? But that's how you get into the goat debate. It's rings. Remember?

Rings. No. Okay. You're right. Ocho, what are we saying? You and I both saying, you can be great and not have rings.

Charles Barkley was a great player. Karl Malone was a great player. John Stockton was a great player. Okay, we can't put them on the same stratosphere, on the same pedestal as LeBron. But let me ask you a question. LeBron is different.

He's in a category of his own with Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. But what does he have? Rings. Rings, Ocho. Right. I understand what you're saying. But even still, just even without the rings, dude, he's… Ocho, without the rings, he, dude, he's he's. Oh, Joe, he would without the ring.

If he's not in the conversation without the rings, he's not in the gold conversation. So you out of it, he's out of it's not even a debate. See, for me, I don't put anybody I don't put. If you look at my top five, my top five, you have to have at least three regular season MVPs. That's how I took it. Three. So let me ask you a question. Yes.

Let's say he had the scoring title. Yes. But he wasn't able to win any rings or championships. So he's not in the goal conversation? No. Because he don't have any rings. He wouldn't be in the conversation. So how would you put him with no rings?

Hold on. Ocho, think about this here. Is it different for football then? No. So the players that were great that have never won a ring, does that mean they're not great? They're not in the conversation because it's a team game. It's a team game. When you look at quarterbacks, name a quarterback.

It's Brady. Montana. It's Brady. Montana. It's Manny. Yeah. Now, see, and this is what we talk about the levels. This is what we're talking about goals. Because you can be great and not have rings. You can.

I believe that. I believe you can be great and not have rings. Charles Barkley was a great player. Okay. Look at how we looked at Kevin Durant. I take that back. I'm talking about Kevin. Look at how we looked at Kevin Garnett before and then after

he got that ring. You see the difference? Look at how we looked at... Look at how we looked at... Look at how we look at that. Look at how we look at that. That's a tall task. Look at how we look at that Dirk Nowitzki. Before and after he got the ring.

So my argument is, how would we be able to say LeBron is a GOAT with just two rings? When Kobe has five. When Duncan has five. When Kareem has five. When Jordan has six. When Magic has five when Kareem has five when Jordan has six when Magic has five and all the guys that I mentioned are Jordan Jordan has six has five regular season MVPs uh uh uh Magic has three regular season MVPs with three finals MVPs so you right. But I don't believe without Miami

because here's the thing we saw. I believe and I think everybody out there believe had Kevin Durant not gotten hurt in 2019, Toronto not beating them. No, absolutely not. But you see what can happen? You see what can happen?

One injury changed the landscape. Yeah. You see what happened with Kevin Durant, with LeBron? Kyrie and Kevin Love got hurt. Changed the whole complexion of the series right right kevin durant and and in brooklyn uh kairi get hurt james hard to dealing with a hamstring you see how things gotta be now this is what we know for lebron he's averaged 25 points he's never scored less than 25 points in the season since his rookie year he averages 27 7 and 7 i believe he goes

anywhere else and still averages 27 7 and 7 yeah but averaging 27 7 and 7 ain't the same as what he did in miami and when he got two more MVPs back-to-back, two more finals MVPs back-to-back, it changed the way we looked at him. But I still, I'm telling you, I still think your knowledge of the game of basketball is much better than I am. Me, as an outsider watching in,

I think, regardless of what LeBron tweeted, minus Leshrings, minus Leshrings is my ass. I have a feeling that he could have went to any team, any NBA team, obviously with a supporting cast, an efficient supporting cast, and done the exact same thing he did in Miami. I know he could have. I know he could have because he's that special of a player.

He's that special. How do we know? Because remember, it takes more than just a story to win a title. Look at the resume. The resume speaks for itself. Ocho, think about how close they came to losing a title. They was a Ray Allen backpedal behind the three. Three.

The greatest shot in NBA history. Clutch. Just to survive. Right. So for us to sit here and say, well, he could have gone anywhere else and won anything. It's really not that simple, Ocho. Not for a championship. Is it that simple for him to go somewhere and average 27, 77?

Or to average 30 like he did for the Lakers two years ago? And like he averaged 29 last year? Sure. He's that, he's that, he's LeBron. He's the GOAT. Right. he's that he's that he's lebron he's a goat right and i said what made me put him there is that when i factored into regular season mbps i factored into finals mbps at three different stops now ocho 30 000 points 10 000 rebounds 10 000 assists you factor in all the first team all mbas you

factor in all the all-star appearances. You start factoring all of that. This is just not a longevity because there are a lot of guys that played 20, not a lot of guys. I think there are nine guys that played a total of 20 years or more, but they're averaging four points. He ain't going to average four. He's going to end up averaging what he's, I don't know if he'll average 27,

but he'll probably be around 24, 25 points a game. And you're 21. Yeah. That's what I believe, though. I think the reason what caught people so far off guard is that this is a totally different audience, ESPN, than when I was at Undisputed. And if you watch me on Undisputed, you know that I've criticized some of the things LeBron has done.

We had a play, some of the things that he's said. I think that people had this perception that all I do is cape, cape, cape, cape, cape for LeBron. Right. And that's not true. I don't believe any player. I don't believe any person is beyond reproach i don't believe a any player or any person is a beyond criticism right because you have being who you are criticism comes along with

it right if you don't want the criticism you should not take the great. He's still, in my estimation, the GOAT. But I believe it took that Miami stint to put him on the path. Now, going back to Cleveland, going to four more, winning an MVP, going to the Lakers, winning another finals MVP. And he's been dominant. He's been great. So they made it seem like I say LeBron was a bum. Man, if he ain't go to LeBron. And it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, Ocho.

Miami benefited. LeBron benefited. Benefited. A lot of times we just want to say, no, you benefited. But I like to think in a relationship, no matter if it ended or not, we both got something out of it. Right. I like that. That's just me. Now, sometimes we're like, I ain't getting nothing out of it. Right. I like that.

That's just me. Now, sometimes we're like, I ain't getting nothing out of that. I ain't getting nothing. Right. Okay. I took something. Maybe if it wasn't nothing but a damn good meal,

I got something out of it. Something. Right. That's a good one, man. That's a good one. But I'm telling you, I wholeheartedly believe he could have gone anywhere. He came to the heat, what,

was it 2012? 2011. 2010, because they ended up losing. Because think about it, Ocho. Think about it now. For me, had he won 2011 against the Mavericks, I don't even think it's a debate. I don't think it's a debate. A lot of people can't put LeBron

in front of Jordan for the simple fact of 2011. They said, I just can't put LeBron in front of Jordan for the simple fact of 2011. They said, I just can't do it because I saw guys that Jordan would have scored 60 on. They're not putting J.J. Barea on Michael Jordan. They're not putting Deshaun Stevenson on Michael Jordan. And so a lot of people can't get over that hurdle there. Right, right. But I believe it took all of that to get him to what we see now.

The finished product that we see now. Right. Happened because of 2011. Yeah. But the finished product would have been the same regards to where he was at because of who he is. Because of who he is, the finished product. You can't tell me, well, if he didn't come to the Miami Heat, the finished product of what we're witnessing now wouldn't be who he is. It would still be the same guy.

But you're saying individually. See, I'm not talking about individually. I'm talking from a team aspect as well. I'm talking from a team aspect and having MVPs and championships if he went somewhere else. He could have still done it. But think about Ocho. He's averaged probably, look at that, he averaged 30, 29 last year,

28, 29 last year, 30 the year before. Ain't with no titles. I have a question. I have a question. This is something I don't have in front of me. He went to the Heat in 2011, right? Yeah. I wish I had the rosters of the other teams to choose from that he could have gone to, and I

guarantee you could put at least five or six other teams he could have gone to and they would have been in the finals with the opportunity to win a championship and he had an opportunity to get those mvp finals i guarantee you i just don't have i don't have the information in front of you right now off the top of my head i think i can remember i know miami was one he ended up going to miami i think the knicks but talking to Rich Paul, Knicks were never really in play. And I think Chicago. Oh, yes. Yes.

And I'm not sure the rosters, but yes. Well, you had, at the time, you had D. Rose. You had Yoakim Noah. You had Tom Gibson. Yeah. Because that year he won the MVP over LeBron. Come on, man. So you mean to tell me Jimmy Butler?

Championship. Championship. MVP and a ring with the Bulls that year. Yes. Come on, man. But. There's no but about it. That's an MVP championship. Trust me. And it's not even about it. That's an MVP championship. Trust me.

And it's not even a hypothetical. I put my life savings on that. If it was to happen, I wish we could rewind time. We can't though. See, we can't. Prime D, Prime D, Jimmy Butler, Joe Kim, Noah, and LeBron. And you mean to tell me that I wouldn't know Chip? We never know. We do know.

We've seen, Ochocho we've seen things happen just because you have the most talent you've seen teams look look at the patriots patriots had the most talent you remember in 2007 and the little old giants barely made the playoffs got them i mean who who would have thought the dallas Mavericks would have beat the Miami Heat? Who would have thought the Detroit Pistons would have taken down Shaq and Kobe? Oh, yeah. Think about that now. Hey, them boys, that was Ben Wallace and them boys, huh?

Ben, Shee, Riff, Chance, Tayshaun. They were playing some defense, boy. And see, Ocho, that's what I say. You don't know. Right. Let's deal. The only thing I can say for certain, looking at LeBron James' career,

is that pencil a man for 27-7-7. Write it in the book. And I'm writing it in non-erasable ink. You can't erase it. That's what I know. But championships are a lot harder to come by. People keep talking about Jordan was six for six. Jordan played 15 years.

So the other nine years, he didn't get there. Right. You're right. Well, I have a question. Since we're on the topic of basketball, on something that I need to gain a little bit more knowledge about. Okay. What do the Lakers need?

Outside of Anthony Davis staying healthy, they need one more. One more star. They got to hit some shots. I mean, it's the first time, I think, in NBA history through the first eight games, they've made less field goals from the three and shot a worse percentage.

In NBA history, they instituted... It's still early, though. They instituted the three-point line in 1979. That was a year after you was born. That's when the three-point line... Chris Ford made the very first three-point shot. So think about that. Go back all the way back.

They've been outscored by 74 points in the first quarter, which is the most in NBA history through this amount of games. Wait, outscored by how much? 74. Hey, man, we got to go to a Laker game, man. How much course size seats? Coach O, before I get into that, we just hit a quarter of a mil.

What? Thank you. Thank you. We hit what? We got to get the guy, whoever the person was, that was our 250,000 subscriber. He got to get a special something. So we're going to find out who our 250.

We got a quarter of a mil. 250,000? Yeah, now the goal is to try to get us a half a million. We got to get a half a million by the end of the year. You know what we should do? Whoever the 250,000 person is, we should get them 250,000. 250,000 what? Pennies?

No, $250,000. We go half and half. No, we're not going to go half and half. I think that's what we should do. And every time when we hit 500,000, we should go half and half. No, we're not going to go half and half. I think that's what we should do. And every time, every time we hit, when we hit 500,000, we should go half and half. Give whoever the 500 subscriber is.

That's something you and the volume can work out. Nah, I'm talking about this between me and you. This, this, this me and you, we doing this. I ain't got it like that. I ain't got it like that.

You do. You flying, you flying private. You got your little Goyard bag. You got your little doll. You got your little $10,000 doll. I better go? I better go have on a little mini-me with somebody, but that's all I can go have on right there, Hocho.

A mini-me? Who's pregnant? I ain't nobody pregnant. Honestly, that's the only thing I'll be able to go have on. Oh, I see what you're saying. That's the only thing I'll go have on. Okay, okay, okay. Nah, but I'm just saying, that would be dope. Hey, look, that's never been done before, man.

Think about it. Let's sleep on that, man. Think about it. Every time we hit a certain milestone, we should get- You tell me to sleep on that, I might not wake up, Ocho. We got to make it fun and exciting for the people, man. Can you imagine? Whoever the 500,000 subscriber is, they get 500 grand.

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click the link and uh uh and bought a purchase to buy a Laporte. Thank you so much. We're going to move along, Ocho. Thank you for clicking and subscribing to Unc and Ocho. Nightcap, 250,000 followers. Thank you very much. Ryan Tannehill wouldn't help Malik Willis, but had no problem helping Will Levis.

This is what he said. He said, Tannehill on Will, but it's a situation that I'm in. I have to walk through it. Will has done some good things, obviously. He came in, played well, and I'm going to be here and answer any questions he might have and help him out along the way. This is what Tannehill said when the Titans drafted Malik Willis.

I don't think it's my job to mentor him i'm just trying to figure what happened in a year right you didn't want to you didn't want to mentor malik willis but you got no problem answering any questions that will levis may or may not have well i i think um obviously when you you draft a quarterback you know he's coming after your job. I think Brett Favre said the same thing about Aaron Rodgers, if I'm not mistaken. Something similar to that.

You know, it wasn't his job to mentor him. And that's a hurtful thing, knowing that a quarterback is coming in to take your job. I think now at this point. You believe in your ability? Oh, yeah. Me? Oh, yeah, yeah.

I believe in mine. I ain't worried about it. But I ain't worried about it. But I ain't worried about it. But you know they're trying... Why they take the quarterback? They're trying to get him out of there. They're trying to get him out of there. You know that. If you notice,

they wasn't drafted... What's the likelihood you think they draft another receiver in the first round as long as Chase there? Ain't happening. It ain't happening. So, Ryan Tannehill should be mad... For me, this is the way I approach long as Chase there. It ain't happening. It ain't happening. So Ryan Tannehill should be mad. For me, this is the way I approached it, Ocho. I was so secure in my job.

I'm going to tell you. See, I talked to guys, and every guy that backed up me went to the Pro Bowl. Todd Heat, when I was in Baltimore, I left. He went to the Pro Bowl. Dwayne Carswell and Byron Chamberlain, when I left, Carswell went to the Pro Bowl for the Broncos. Chamberlain went to the Pro Bowl. Dwayne Carswell and Byron Chamberlain. When I left, Carswell went to the Pro Bowl for the Broncos. Chamberlain went to the Pro Bowl for the Vikings.

But we had that relationship. I know they couldn't get my job. I was secure. But I needed them. If something happened to me, I needed them to know, damn, even though they didn't have

the physical abilities that I had, I needed them to know. The team couldn't miss a beat. How selfish am I going to be to withhold anything that could help them? Because people help me. I remember being in training camp and

having a guy tell me the wrong route and I said, if I ever got in that situation, I would never do that to a player. Wait, somebody told you the wrong route? Yeah. As a joke? No. As a joke? No, no, bro. It's cutthroat.

We're both low round picks. He's trying to make the team. I'm trying to make the team. Okay. Oh, he on that. Oh, he on that.

And I said, I just, well, I said, Lord, if I'm fortunate enough to ever make it, I'm going to tell a lot of guys. I see guys coming in the huddle and I could tell, you can tell when a guy coming to huddle,

he don't know what the hell he got to do. Hey, you got to come back. So and so, yeah. You hot now. Hey, you hot. Make sure you, hey, hey, you got this right, but if it's covered too, you got to release outside and run the fade. So, Ocho, you know when a guy coming in

he don't know what the hell he doing. So, before and the thing that I like they were patient with me oh joe man i ain't know nothing let me tell you i'll tell you a true story oh joe dan reeve used to send the plays and he have a player you know i run a play i'll come back out next play he sent me in with the play so i'm tired now i don't got tired you know when you get tired oh joe you know fatigue will make cowl love a song so Dan got his hand

on my shoulder he tell me to play I run in the ball game I breathe and John look at me John say what's the play I said I forgot I did Ocho

I'm sorry Ocho I want to go how you forgot to play from the sideline to the huddle I forgot you know I'm running I'm you forgot to play from the sideline to the huddle? Yo, I forgot. You know, I'm running up, John.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get in the huddle. I'm down. I'm down. Look at the John. John look at me. He's like, T, what's the play? I'm like, oh, shit.

I'm a guy. I did, man. I'm a guy. Man, I didn't want to look over there, Dad, because I already know he was cursing. Yeah, he was hot. I knew he was hot. Made a man waste his time out, man.

He wasted his time out. But so what do you think happened between last year and says, I don't think it's my job to mentor Malik Willis, and this year where he says, Hey, I'm here to answer any questions and help him out along the way. I think he was, he was over it.

He was over it. Obviously they drafted Malik Willis and he's like, okay, I'm going to beat this kid out and I'm not going to help him. And then they drafted the quarterback the following year again. And probably 10, he was like, well,

God damn, they must not really like me. So I might as well get to help and helping develop these, you know, the quarterback that they have at the helm now, because they trying to find a way to get me up out of here. I mean, the writing is on the wall. Well, he did that to himself. He was quarterback one year.

I mean, I like Tannehill. I don't have a problem with it. He's not in the elite category, but he's an efficient quarterback if you got receivers to throw to him. I mean, he's good. Think about what you had. You had Derrick Henry at his absolute apex and Derrick Henry is still running the ball

and that's all the far you can go? So think about what you're throwing again. Think about you had A.J. Brown. Think about you had A.J. Brown. And he was balling that. He was balling. Him and A.J. had a nice little wide pass. Look at A.J. with Jalen Hurts and look at A.J. with Tanny Hill.

And when you got Derrick Henry, what cover do you think you're throwing against if you got Derrick Henry in your backfield? Single high. Nine in the box. Exactly. Nine in the box. You got single high. Ain't no disguise. Ain't no nothing.

You got single high. They better drop that safety down in the box. Yeah, you know, the makeup, you can't really compare. The makeup of the Titans offense and the makeup of the Eagles offense is completely different. Completely different. And I think, you know, over there in Tennessee, you know, it was run first. For the Eagles, nigga, they throwing that bitch two million times a game.

But that wasn't how they was until they got who? They got A.J. Yeah. So now you got A.J., you run, because remember they had Devontae. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, put nine in the box to try to stop this run and see what we do for it. Because now you got AJ

on one side, you double AJ, you got Devontae working single coverage. He gonna kill you, yeah. And you got Zacarias. And you got, you had Dallas Goddard, he broke his forearm, he's gonna miss about a month. But you see, I just don't, I never understood guys being that selfish that they don't want to help the player because of him. Are you that insecure?

Yeah, you got a dude, a man, somebody coming in to take your job, man. You took somebody's job? Somebody is literally coming in. You took somebody's job? How the hell do you think you got on the field? I ain't take nobody's job. Yeah, you did. There was receivers there.

So the Cincinnati Bengals had no receivers before they drafted Ocho Cinco. No, see, this is what you don't even know. Let me tell you this. This is a quick story, funny story. Like, real quick story. I came out of college as a DB. I was a DB. Okay.

Tell the story. I want you to tell the story about the wide receivers. So the Bengals had no wide receivers prior to you coming. Yeah, they had some good ones. So you took somebody's job? Listen, Darnay Scott, Ron Dugans, the greatest collegiate receiver of all time, Peter Ward, they was there. And I think Darnay was on the back end.

So once Darnay left, then I filled in the role at the X. Okay. So you took somebody's job? I mean, he was done playing. I wouldn't say really taking somebody's job. Once receivers hit year 10, that's kind of like the, okay, we go move on. But here's the thing, Ocho. The thing was, if Darnay Scott could still do it, they wouldn't have moved on.

Hey, he was nice, boy. He was nice. Remember Darnay Scott can still do it. They wouldn't have moved on. He was nice, boy. He was nice. Remember Darnay Scott? I do. But for me, Ocho, I just looked at it like, hey, I took somebody's job. Let me get them ready. Because at the end of the day, I wanted to be a great teammate. I wanted guys that's like,

man, I really enjoy playing sharp. And I always told the guys every time I left, I said, hopefully you enjoyed me as much as I enjoyed you. Everybody different, man, I really enjoy playing sharp. And I always told the guys, every time I left, I said, hopefully you enjoyed me as much as I enjoyed you. Everybody different though, huh? Everybody different. The NFL is a business, man. The NFL is a business. And every time somebody come in that locker room,

every time somebody get drafted, they are coming to take your job. You're not there to make no goddamn friends. You got miles to feed. You got a family to feed. You got bills to pay. He can't get it. Everybody don't have your mentality, though. I did the best bad job I best I could.

I tried to help Todd heat recoverages, have him understand when guys playing this leverage, just what he's trying to do, you don't let him blah, blah, blah, X, Y, Z. But Ozzy knew in order for them to maximize todd i had to go and i was cool with that when he called me he said hey boy what you want to do i said you tell me what you think i should do he said bro you went to the pro bowl he said you let all tight ends and catches hell yeah you can still play but we did take todd in the first round to do what you

got to do. With no hard feelings. I said, hey, I said, hey, I said, bro, thank you for the opportunity to show that I just wasn't a Mike Shanahan, Johnny Owe guy. I said, thank you for the opportunity. Right. I went back to Denver. I was cool with that. That business cutthroat, ain't it?

Yeah. Ocho, Ocho. I was cool with that. That business cutthroat, ain't it? Yeah. Ocho. Ocho. What Baltimore did was made sure that I never had to work another day of my life.

I'm going to be mad about that. Yeah. I like that. I got three small kids. Now I can take the money, my signing bonus. Okay, y'all got to college. Y'all colleges. Whatever college you want to go to.

You good. Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Georgia Tech, straight. Right. Everything. Hey, Yale, Dartmouth, Georgia Tech, straight. Right. Car, everything. Hey, Shannon ain't got enough. The moment, hey, Shannon can kick his heels up if I want to work. And that's what I tell people. I work because I want to, not because I have to. There's a difference between the two.

There's levels to this dish. Right, right. Talk your shit, huh? Talk your shit now. That's how I was. I was going to never be mad at Ozzy. They gave me an opportunity. Right.

And people looked at me totally different. They're like, oh, okay, he can still play. Went back to Denver, had two great years. CBS gave me an opportunity. But that's just the way I am, Ocho. If somebody need help, hey, guys, come on. Hey, man, I want to do that. I get guys all the time.

Man, I want to start a podcast. This is what you need to do. XYZ, blah, blah, blah. Or when I was at Undisputed, the guys would come time, man, I want to start a podcast. This is what you need to do. XYZ, blah, blah, blah. When I was at Undisputed, the guys would come on and say, man, I kind of want to get into this. I say, well, you need to start doing it now. I say, the mistake that a lot of people made, Ocho, they wait

to the last year. No, do that early. If one of these networks want you to come on your bye week, hey, I'm there. Hey, if they want you to do, hey, they call you and say, hey, we want to talk to you about this. Hop on. Yeah. You got to plant the seeds. That's all it is.

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I don't like that. Oh, why not? I don't like that. Because who are you tipping? Who is the money going to? Like, if I'm not actually handing the money over to someone. Nah. Walmart, they got money. got money they got they got money i'm not tipping the machine now if there's a there's a worker there or somebody helping bag bag stuff up yeah then i'll tip but i'm not tipping no goddamn machine when i get takeout i don't tip nobody that

all you did is ring my order up now if you if you bring delivery, okay, yeah, I'll tip you. But if all you did was like, okay, that's $24.95, you ain't get no tip for that. You ain't in the back cooking. You don't tip. No. But we got to work on that, man.

We got to work on that. I tip the server. When you come wait on me, and like I said, we went to Savannah. We had a great server. She was like, ask that, you need more Diet Coke? She asked, Jordan, you need more water? Hey, she had no idea who I was until they told her as we were getting ready to leave. So she had no idea. Would you like some ginger ale, sir?

She was very respectful and everything. So at the end, I gave her. I said, would this take care of the bill? She smiled. She's like, I think this will cover it. How much did you tip her? I tell you what, she seemed extremely happy,

right, guys? Yeah. She was very happy. Ocho, speaking of tipping, you posted something today i told you you made me mad you made me you made me mad last week because you made me mad you told me why you always tipping why you ain't posting it you're doing it for you and i told you last week i was on the show you know just for that you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna go somewhere this weekend and I'm going to tip $5,000 and

I'm going to write a letter. I'm going to write a note. I wrote a little note on the bottom just for you. It's going to make Uncle Shannon mad. And guess what? Now you mad. You mad? Uh-uh. Animals get mad. Animals get mad. Humans get upset. Are you upset? Nope. Nope. And you made fun of me because you

was getting on your private jet and making fun of me. I didn't even know you saw that. I didn't know you saw that. I ain't no joy. How did you capture that? You, you tagged me. I'm not going to say you tagged me. Talk about you getting on your private jet. You got your go yard bag. Where was your dog at? Where the dog was at? Oh, you saw that, Ocho? So that's tag. So when I tag somebody, that's like playing T-tag. I touch you, that makes you get up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't know how that works. I'm new to social media. I'm new to it. I ask, all I ask you was, can I go on the private jet just one time? One time. Why are you stunting on me? Why are you stunting on me? Why are you stunting on me?

You're supposed to be elevating me and bringing me up and you bringing me down. You know how I'd be able to afford a private jet? All that tip money I save. I'm just saying.

Hey, do you tip the flight attendant? Yeah. You're supposed to, right? Look, I do. Look here. I ain't got no problem. Nobody going to tell you O'Shea cheap.

Right. They might say a lot of things. They might say a lot of things about me. Cheap ain't one of them. Right. Okay. I like it. I like it.

Because if you said, if you were a woman in my life and you said channel was cheap, you need to ask yourself why. Because the one thing I ain't is cheap. Talk your shit now. Talk your shit. I ain't going to say that. Talk your shit. Matter of fact,

speaking of women, you know what? I ain't going to bring that up. I ain't going to bring it up. I ain't going to bring it up. I ain't going to bring it up. Somebody, somebody listen.

Oh, that is, who? Who trying to go twirl around with the champ? I got the Hem bring it up. Somebody, somebody listen. Oh, who tried to go to a ride with a champ? I got the Hemingway belt. I'm going to tell you right now. I got the message right here. I got the message right here. Uh,

this was, um, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you right now. She sent a whole little, whole little, um, information about you.

And hold on. Where we at? Where we at? Where we at? Where we at? Where we at? Oh, a whole little information about you. Hold on, where we at? Where we at? Where we at? Where we at? Where we at? Oh, here we go. Right here.

Here we go. She has a PhD. She is a multi-million dollar business owner. She loves to travel. She loves to travel. She's funny. She's witty. And she asked for me to connect you guys uh she has a big crush on you and she loves you now uh i can get you the rest of the information uh rail asleep so she went

to a business conference in in orlando uh general general contracting also rail meta yeah and she in Orlando, General Contracting Conference. Oh, so Real Metal. Yeah, and this young lady, she's the big, the boss boss. Why is she bossing? Yeah, she's the boss boss. So she was the head of everything. And I'm like, you sure? She want to holler at Unc? She said, yeah. She said she loves watching Nightcap,

and she would love to have an opportunity to meet Unc. Say, she'll fly to you. And this is what she hit me with. She told Real. I fly to him private. I'm like, oh, she got it like that. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Yes, sir.

Has she been to church in the last year? I don't think so. I think she's set up. Now you got my attention. Now I got to sit up. You ain't been to church. That's what I'm looking for. She might be a sinner.

What? She might be a sinner. What? She might be a sinner. Oh, baby. Hey, listen. If she ain't a sinner, she might choose to backslide every now and then. Okay. Yeah. I'm going to send an answer.

Hey, wait. You got your phone on you? You got your phone next to you? No. No? Okay, okay, okay. Hey, check this out, Ocho. Yes, okay. Hey, check this out, Ocho. Yes, sir.

How long can you stay cuddled up with your spouse or girlfriend before you need space to go to sleep? How long can I stay cuddled up? I mean, there are different variations when we talk about cuddled up. Like, am I the big spoon? Am I the little spoon?

Is the AC on? Is it hot where we are? Do we have on clothes if we don't have on clothes um is it before before intercourse or is it after intercourse like there's so many different variables that that that determines how long does it take you to stay caught up with your spouse or significant other before you need space to go to sleep. I just told you. Okay. Maybe about 20 minutes. I got two to three. I got two to three minutes

before we got to go to our respective corners. Two to three minutes? Yeah, that's it. I'm going to start to sweat. How are you going to sweat if you got the AC on in the house? It doesn't matter. I got crazy body heat. Crazy.

Yeah, I'm different. I like the huddle. I like the caressing. I like the hole. I like to sleep and put in a chokehold and just be comfortable. Bring your mic a little closer to you.

Blame your mouth. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, my bad, my bad. There you go. Now we got you. Yeah, my bad. I like the whole and caressing. Yeah, two to three minutes.

I got the feel. I got the feel friction. I need you up on me. Two to three minutes. Nah, nah. Nah. Two to three minutes. Nah. Nah. Nah, two to three minutes. Nah, she get, she can get,

she can get two to three minutes. That's all she gonna get. She gonna, I'm gonna get him. Nah, I ain't talking about no cuddling. Nah, I ain't talking about no cuddling. Stay with me, nah. I will give,

I'm gonna give her two to three minutes and I ain't giving you no more than that because I ain't got nothing to motherfucking prove. And if you think two to three minutes is too short, I want you to get in the boxing ring and see how long three I ain't got nothing to motherfucking prove. And if you think two to three minutes is too short, I want you to get in the boxing ring and see how long three minutes is when somebody trying to beat your ass.

That's a long time. That's a long time. That's all you're going to get. Yeah, I'm two to three minutes, Ocho. Because I'm going to generate so much body heat. And you know what? And you know, I'm going to hold you all night. Ooh, girl, I'm going to spoon you. I ain't telling nobody that lie.

I got two to three minutes. What about when you first meet somebody? When you first meet somebody, you always want to... I got two to three minutes. That's all I got for you. First of all, in the first 35 seconds, my arm going to be asleep if you're laying in my arm. Now my arm is asleep.

Oh, so you got you a big girl. I see what you're doing there. It don't matter to the girl. It don't matter to the girl. No? No. Well, how your arm going to be asleep, man? You've been in the gym for no reason. What you in the gym for?

What you mean what you in the gym for? I mean, you got all the muscles and she laying your arm and it going to go to sleep? Yes. Shoot. Real lay on my arm all night. Like seven hours. And I'm good. I mean, she laying on bone.

I know her head hurting. Real. Real jaw was so like, Daddy. I'm talking about, baby, you punched me last night. I'm talking about, nah, you had your head on my shoulder.

You see this? You see this framework? You see the framework, right? I do. We're going to run a poll to see what the chat says. Because there ain't nobody cuddling for no 20 minutes. Ask them. I guarantee you. Women like

men that like to cuddle. That's a fact. Women say that and then they're like, oh, you hot. Get on your side. Nah, what kind of AC unit you got I got AC my house stays 68 degrees

year round that's 68 that's the problem right there you gotta put it on 64 get your whirlpool man get your

no whirlpool whirlpool 3000 that's what I got look over 1000 volts 2 to 3 minutes 2 to 3 minutes is 51% Look. Over a thousand votes. Two to three minutes. Two to three minutes is 51%.

Two to three minutes. They lying. Two to three. They lying. No. See, a lot of people just told you. It's like, ooh, girl.

You know how fast three minutes is? Just cuddling? 20 minutes at 49%. Ain't nobody cudd minutes at 49%. Ain't nobody cuddling no 49%. Ain't nobody cuddling no 20 minutes. Told you.

See, that's what y'all be seeing. People be like, see, people say a lot of stuff. You put on Netflix. Netflix, you put on a good movie. Get some food, some pop. Man, you gonna... Man, shit, you put on

a good movie. Ocho, look about... I want you to see... I need you to stay with me. You gonna stay with me? Yes, sir. I'm with you, baby. How long can you stay cuddled up with your spouse or significant other before you need space to go to sleep?

You're not watching Netflix. You're going to sleep. I'm still saying 20 minutes. Because, listen, that heat, it relaxes you. And if it's the right woman, if it's your woman, her being in your arms is like... Well, she in my arms, she my woman. She about to blow somebody else's house, but she my woman when she here.

That ain't got shit to do... Oh, screw me. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Where she supposed to be, I'm saying where she actually is. Right. I'm just saying, something about a woman's touch or a man's touch with a woman, it allows you to be at ease and sleep much better, which is why I'm saying 20 minutes is not far fetched for cuddling. I sleep better when a six pound head ain't in my arms.

I don't know about you, but a six pound head tends to keep me awake at night. You got to get comfortable, man. You got to get comfortable, man. You got to get comfortable. There are many positions. You know, I do this. Wait, hold on. Where the dog be at? The dog be in the bed too?

Yeah, little one. But here's the thing though, Ocho. You know how somebody head get and you got to try to move your arm up out the way so you don't want to wake them up. Yeah, and don't wake them up. Yeah. I know the way. So you don't want to wake up. Yeah. I know you talk about, I know you talk about that point before you get to that point.

Hey man, I'm going to move on over here. I've been to move on over here, but I need, I need space. And I'm like, I said, Oh Joe,

I generate a crazy amount. I'm telling my, I'll be sweating. And if I'm not careful, Ocho, I generate a crazy amount. I'm telling you, I'll be sweating. And if I'm not careful, I mean, I have to like change my sheets in the middle of the night because I sweat so much. I'm a sweater, yeah. Little Mr. B Nasty?

But y'all might be a match made in heaven. You got to change your sheets. She got to change her sheets, man. I mean, well, we changed our sheets for different reasons, man.

Let me start with you. Oh, let me ask you a question. Obviously you've gone out on some dates. I mean, Hey, before you got real, you probably going out once a month,

twice a month. Once a month? I was going out every night. What? Oh, Lord. With a chick? Yeah. What?

Listen, I had a roster, boy. Before Real came along, Real was in line. She was like number, she was about 32, number 32. 32? Yeah, she rode her way up the line, huh? She worked up the way, yeah. Man, I had, I had her. So you got some experience with this.

What's the worst thing that a woman can do on a date? Oh, can I be honest with you, young? I ain't going to sit and play with you. Now, you know how I am about my money. Yeah. You know how I am about my money. And when it comes to dealing with women that want to take advantage of you, listen, I'm not, I'm looking for acid.

I'm not looking for a liability. So what I do on the first date, one of the worst things a woman could do is when the bill come, I have a problem. I always pull out a deck of Uno cards. I always pull out a deck of Uno cards and I watch for the woman's reaction. I watch for the woman's reaction to see if there's a problem. Like women, women, listen, y'all are for equality for the woman's reaction. I watch for the woman's reaction to see if there's a problem. Like women, listen, y'all have fought for equality

for a very long time. Not only when it's convenient, but when it comes to paying bills, it shouldn't be a problem. So I love to play Uno on dates. I love to play Uno on dates and bet game, best two out of three.

Yeah, two out of three. Did I say that right? Two out of three. Yeah, two out of three. And you know, whoever loses pays for dinner. And that's something that I always do on my first dates. And most of the time it went over well. I'm not sure if it went over well because it was me at the time. Always have a great time. Always have enjoyable time. I'm a conversationalist.

I can talk a lot on various topics and that's it. I think that's just, I hate someone that always wants, I don't want to say the wrong thing. Let me just stop before I say the wrong thing. No, I mean, what irks you about something on a date? I mean, that's you.

Irks me? Not willing to pay. Not willing to pay or not even, it's always, I, it's always, I think it's cool. It's cool for the guy to pay, you know, it's traditional, but seeing a woman willing to fit the bill for the first time, it says a lot. It says a lot. I guess it's a, it's, it's, it's refreshing damn near almost because it's, it's, it's always seen one way. The guy does this, the guy does that, the guy does this, the guy does that. And it's refreshing damn near almost because it's always seen one way. The guy does this, the guy does that.

The guy does this, the guy does that. And it's always the guy, the guy, the guy. But to see a woman say, nah, I got it. That's one of the dopest feelings in the world. I'm old fashioned. I'm going to grab the first one. I'm probably going to grab the first hundred of them if we go out that many times.

That's just the way I do things. I'm cool with it. It ain't no biggie. Have I had women to pay? Sure. I mean, how much can a burger and fries be?

Or a chicken sandwich and fries be? I mean, I'm very simplistic in my taste buds. Right. But, nah, you were obviously ordering lobster

on the first day. That ain't, you know. Because, hey, we'll come with lobsters. Yeah. Man,

Ocho, man, there's something wrong with you, Ocho, man. Ocho, man,

what's going on when You and T.O. was on IG Live talking about y'all 12-hour session. When did this happen? Man, I never... I was back... Probably in 99. That was in 99. First of all, you didn't know T.O.

in 99. I didn't. I knew T.O. I didn't know him since 98. Yeah, we've been cool for a minute. We've been cool for a little minute, man. 12 hours? Yeah, man. I was a young whippersnapper back then, man.

Boy, y'all were popping them Skittles left and right, huh? Nah, I don't do that. I don't do none of that. I don't do that. I can't do that. Yeah, man. Yeah, you know you know i i mean i mean i'm i'm people know i'm not sure everybody knows you know i i used you know i had an amateur porn career before i played football so um yeah i'm i'm a little different i'm a little

different in that area and uh if you look at my bio on Instagrams, if you look at my bio on Instagrams, yeah, if you look at my bio on Instagram, it tells you about my experience in that field, in that area. A lot of people don't know, but, you know, it is. There's nothing to be proud about, though.

Nothing to be proud of. But, you know, sometimes you got to do what you got to do, man, to survive. 12 hours, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Back in the day, that's old. It's survival. I was, man. Yeah, man. Yeah,

man. Back in the day. That's old. That's old. I'm a new me. I'm saved. You know, I got baptized.

It's wearing off a little bit, so I got to redo it. Even at 17, even at 17. I don't think I got that kind of hours in me. You do. I didn't. You trust.

Trust me. You do. I ain't gonna lie to you, Yocho. I had Spadewood. I had two of the possible. That's all I had for you. Two of the possible. In a 24-hour span. Nothing but a Spade.

That's all I got for you, Yocho. I'm sorry. Depending on who's in front of you trust me that two would turn into a foe in a possible quick alright alright

trust me yeah stay with me now stay with me got a lick of the promise Ocho hit a lick today and promise I do more tomorrow. That's all I got. Good night. I'm out of here. Ocho.

Hey. Ain't no sense in be lying to you, Ocho. Y'all be lying. Ooh, girl. Ooh, oh, oh. I'd say no. Ocho, did you see this? This influencer tattooed a boyfriend's name on a oh it's fake

okay it's fake it was yeah I saw it was it Dale it was Kevin oh okay I saw I saw I knew that one real wouldn't nobody actually go through

would you tattoo you. Would you tattoo? You got real name tattooed on you? Yeah. I got real whole mural of a face on my back. You ain't got no tattoos. Yeah. When you do, I can't see it. You can see it.

You calling me black? My bad, my bad, Ocho. My bad. Hey, no, I got 43 tattoos. So one more angle hurt. You ain't got no tattoos. Let me see one on your arm. My whole body covered up.

Some Dove soap will get that off. Matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna get right here what I'm gonna get like an Uncle Ocho tattoo I'm gonna get an Uncle Ocho teardrop you know what Ocho I'm the last of a dying breed

I got no tattoos no earrings no facial hair and I wanted to get a tattoo my sister found a book, notebook. Everybody knows how I feel about my grandmother. And she had wrote her name in the book.

And I was like, Libby, what you think? She said, Shannon, that'll be great. And then I called her back. I said, Libby, you know, Granny would be so upset. She said, Shannon, when you left, I thought about it. She would. She would be so upset. She'd say, Shannon, when you left, I thought about it. She would. She would be so upset. Right.

I didn't do it. Damn. Because I know she would. I know her. If I don't know anything, she hated tattoos. She'd say, boy, don't mark you. She always used to always say, boy, don't mark your body up. Right.

And I was like, you know what? I understand. I understand. That's the only reason. I wanted an earring I remember all my friends in high school started getting like middle school and like freshman high school started getting earrings and I was like I asked my mom I said mom I want an earring she said when you get 18 you can get whatever you can go get 10 of them hell I turned 18 I ain't want it no more I wanted it then I ain't want I ain't want it no more. I wanted it then. I ain't want it when I was 18. I want it when I was 14. So I'm glad I didn't. You know my brother.

My brother don't have any tattoos, don't have any earrings. He can't grow no hair on his head, so I know he ain't got no facial hair. I got my ears pierced, but I ain't got no earrings. I mean, obviously, I got 40, 44, 45, 45 tattoos now. You know what I did? I thought about getting me one of them old Suge Knights. You remember old Suge Knights? One of them old Cameron Gardner.

Yeah, yeah. With the big old bill. Yeah. The thing you have to have old welder's mask to look at it. It's a little big. Yeah, that ain't your style, though. That ain't my style. I wouldn't look good with that on, Cho.

It wouldn't look right. I mean, it might look good to you, but I'm just telling you for you and the way you carry yourself, that ain't you. That ain't you. What if I get, I'll get me a tattoo. I'll get me a tattoo. There you go. Get grandma name. You should do that. You should treat her, matter of fact,

Christmas, you should do that. Man, my grandma, my grandma come up by that grave. Tell my boy. Because you know, old people, my grandma come up by that grade to my boy. Cause you don't know old people. Old people really never called you by your name. They call you boy. They call your son. It wasn't a certain disrespect.

They just, that's just what they call you. Well, maybe, uh, where them boys, uh, Hey, the boy, that boy call, you know, it was, that's my grandpa. He's already forced to his boy, boy, boy. So I guess they say this. It's facial hair. That's all I got. Y'all want me to shave it off?

I've had it so long, it's like... It's a part of you. It is. You know what I just thought about? We talk about grandmas. Ocho, they say a tattoo for me and your son. There we go. There we go. There you go.

That's a good one. Man, I done gone 55 years. Ain't got not one. Ain't got one tattoo. You can get one. You can get one. Ain't got to be that. Put it on your ankle.

Ain't nobody going to see that. Put it on your ankle. What dude you know got an ankle tattoo? You don't want nobody to see it i'm just saying put it on your ankle just the fact that you get it if they get us to a million subs you got to get a tattoo if we get to a million sub before january you got to get one i can't do that you do you you can okay you can you know what i wanted to ask you i just i just thought about you talk about your grandma and i just thought about my you were talking about your grandma.

And I just thought about my grandma, my mama, right? Yeah. And I go visit them sometime. Do you ever, I always think about how much all the times they said, I love you, I love you,

I love you, I love you. And how they felt about me when they were here. And like, I'm like, damn, everybody passed away. Grandma passed away in 2018. My mama passed away in 2021.

We in 2023. And I'm still waiting on the sign, like some kind of sign, like talk to me. I go to the graveyard, I go to the grave site and I, and I show up playing a little gospel. All right,

ladies. Now I'm here now. Now you can talk to me. Give me some, I ain't going to tell nobody. I ain't going to tell nobody. I'm all right nobody i'm all right i'm listening you know just yeah nothing and i still haven't gotten a sign do you think i hate to bring this up do you think there's life after death or it because i i'm trying to understand how can you love me so much and leave this earth and then not give me any type of inclination. Yeah, like

no nothing. Like nothing. And that bothered me for a while. Especially my mama. Come back and cuss me out or something. I mean, my sister is probably more spiritual than I am and she said that

granny has come to her. She hasn't. I mean, I think about it all the time, but I, I honestly, Ocho in my 44 years, I don't think my grandmother ever told me she loved me. She showed me she loved me. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I remember the real last conversation I had with my grandmother and And it was, they was doing this special. It was 2011. Mike Cliss, right, for the local Denver paper. And he was coming down because I was going into the Hall of Fame. And they was going to do a story.

And so I was showing him all around and showed him to the, took him to the old house. I took him where, you know, the old schools were. He met my coach, my high school coach, Coach Hall, the one that was on first take. And so we, my grandmother was in the nursing home at that time. And after we had been gone for like two hours, I come back

and she's crying. So I'm going to the room and he coming up. I stop him. I do it like this. So I go sit on the bed. And she's crying uncontrollably. I remember like yesterday, Ocho.

And I said, Granny, what's wrong? And I knew something was wrong. She just crying. I said, Granny, I got it. I said, Libby, Spanky, Mama, I got them. You can go. Let go, Granny. I got them.

Your baby going to hold it down. So you don't have to worry no more. You and Papa did your job. Now go rest. Man, Ocho, this was like, this like on my birthday. Like, six days later.

She tell Libby and Mama, y'all going home. I don't know where y'all staying. I want to go to sleep. This was like, cause Libby normally stays till about 5, 36 o'clock, eat, get a change, get everything, get her situated. Then she would leave. My sister went up there every day to the nurse home. Every day for two

years, every day. My mom was up there at the time. She said, why don't y'all go on home? I mean, I can't get no rest with y'all living here. They leave probably about 4.30. People call it 4.45, Miss Mary gone. She didn't want them to see her.

But she couldn't go until her baby told her, I got it, Granny. Once I told my Granny that I had it, that I got my brother, I got my sister, I got my mom,

because that's all she was worried about. She knew I was, she had, hey, I'm my brother, I got my sister, I got my mom, because that's all she was worried about. She knew I was, she had, hey, I'm a baby. I was built. She raised three the hard way. She raised her nine and gave my mom three everything but life. She needed to hear me say it. Granny, I got it. So now I held everything. she needed to hear me say it great I got it so now

I held everything my mom I got it my brother whatever you want to do you ain't got to do nothing and you don't have to do and people like well what your brother do I said he don't do nothing but he don't do that before 12 o'clock because I got it

my sister I got it. My sister, I got them. That's so, yeah, Ocho, I just, but see, people like you, you have to understand, like, the relationship, because I slept in the bed with my grandmother until I was 15.

Even when my grandfather died, I didn't go sleep in the bed with my brother i slept my granny right and i told her i said i'm gonna sleep with you and had my brother like i said i'm gonna sleep with you i'm gonna sleep in the bed with you granny till i get grown i said i might get me a wife and we sleep in the bed with you together so but you're gonna get your rusty tail out of this bed right but the relationship and what she like, what she instilled in me, the values,

that's how, that's why I think the way I think. Right. Like my sister, my brother, my mom, I got everything.

My kids, I heard some, I said, I was talking to somebody, I think it was you the other night. And like my kids, like my daughter's going to get married. other night and like my kid like my daughter's

gonna get married and I said you know my daughter's gonna get married she's probably gonna head start on the house my youngest daughter she's gonna probably

want money to pay off those student loans and they said why she got student loans because she's not gonna drag her feet on my dime make her think she gotta pay for

and she'll get her ass up out of school I like that ain't no free ride now hey I'm going to give you every opportunity I'm going to give you every tool that you need to succeed but I need to

see you trying to get it because I'm not going to hand it to you the handouts start when you're 18 that's when the handouts, the handouts stopped when you were 18. That's when the handouts stopped. I want to see you work. I tell you, you know, if they need something, they say, okay, okay, what happened? Why?

Why do you need this money? Okay. But they know. Hey, we got responsibilities over here. Ain't no handout. Show me, show me what you're doing. Hey,

go to school. You stay out of trouble. Daddy got you, but I need to see you working towards something. Cause you know, I'm going to give my kids just enough so they can't do nothing. I like that. I like that. I like that. I mean, well,

obviously, I would say I'm exactly the same with mine. Mine don't really ask for much. They don't really ask for much. Man, I saw that Christmas list you asked for. Oh, that just, yeah, that's Christmas. With that one child of that, was all your kids one of that? That was just one. Oh, hell no, yeah, that's Christmas. With that one? With that one child of that, was all your kids one of that?

That was just one. Oh, hell no, Ocho. Man, she gonna bankrupt Santa Claus. No, no, no, no, she ain't. But they don't ask for nothing throughout the year. It just be, throughout the year, it just be small stuff. You know, here and there,

they be on their own little program. But come Christmas time, oh, I'm going all out. Which is why when I get a list like that, I don't even know what half the shit on there is. I got some of that cologne. That first one, that first one.

I let you have it. It's about 500, 600 and so. I let you have it for 250, 235. What costs 500? That perfume

that she got at the top of that list. Wait, how do you know about the perfume if you ain't got the woman? There you go. See how you worried about stuff? You you ain't got the woman? See, there you go. See how you worried about stuff?

You see? Who you bought it from? Who you bought it from? Ain't nothing slow and shade but it walk. That's the only thing he's know about O'Shea. Hey. Oh, man. Jolly.

That's a big old list though, Ocho. Hey, that 15 man that 15 glitching bro so she might want to drop down to the 14 nah nah real talk tell her to read up

on that 15 it's glitching it's bad yeah bad all of them was just one maybe it's one batch one batch of them read up on

go in the chat and read up on the 15 okay I still I still got my I still got my iPhone what's this I still got the iPhone one batch of them. You read up on, go in the chat and read up on the 15. Okay. I still, I still got my, I still got my iPhone. What's this?

I still got the iPhone 10. The iPhone you got, got one eye. So that might be the iPhone 1. Nah, it's the 10. I got iPhone 10. Man, that shit's expensive,

man. I ain't mad with that shit. T-E-N. No, T-E-N. Man, that's a big one. Ocho, when I saw that list, I said, well, damn.

All these kids and like, no, one daughter won't know. I said, oh my God. Yeah, yeah. That's my diva. That's my diva. And she's... Nah, nah, nah. She's in college.

She gonna get every bit of it. You gonna get all that? Oh, yeah. I mean, you gotta wait till you see the rest of their list. I'm paying you too much. That gotta cut your salary. Nah, I don't do that.

Don't, don't, don't, don't do that. Because if you do that, I got the, I got the... You gonna hit rail up? Oh, oh, what you gonna get rail? What you gonna get rail? Hey, she sleep too. Matter of fact, I'm glad you just asked that.

You gotta help me. I don't know what... What? You said she got a Birkin though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She got that crock one? I mean, what you got? She like jewelry?

Man, she got... She don't wear jewelry. She don't wear no jewelry? She don't got no necklace? She don't want no necklace? Man, I done bought her jewelry The last three Christmases She ain't wear shit yet I mean she wear it like

Here and there But she ain't She in the purses ain't she She like the purses Yeah Yeah Blue moon Like if it's time to go somewhere

She ain't like She ain't flashy like that What does she like Hey she posted a picture of A Send me a picture of A car A car Yeah posted a picture of a send me a picture of a car? Yeah.

But she's like, when I hit my, when I hit she has, she said a goal. When I hit this goal, I'm going to get this. But that'd be pointless. I just got your Maybach. I can't go get another car. So I don't even know what to do for Christmas.

I'm just, I'm dead serious. You got real a Maybach? It's pronounced my-bot, but okay. You got real a Maybach? Come on, why are you so loud? Man, I see what? What happened? Man, people see, that's why people think I be cheap.

Why? But you're not cheap. You buy a real mailbox. Man, she is the breadwinner, so it's okay. Oh, you buying it with her money? No, I'm saying it was okay to do it because she's the breadwinner, so it's okay. Oh, you buying it with her money? No, I'm saying it was okay to do it because she's the breadwinner. It was like, boom, it don't look like I'm leeching. Oh, man.

Let me show you. I can shake something, too. Boom, here, check this out. I might be leeching. I guess I'd have ate up all the bread because I ain't got no my box money, Ocho. Yeah, you do. I think't got no I ain't got no Maybach money, Ocho. Yeah, you do. If you could fly private, you could get your...

Why you keep saying Maybach? It's Maybach. Actually, it's pronounced Maybach. Every time I say a word, every time I say... I'm just saying... Hold on, Ocho. The way the Germans, the engineers and the way

Mercedes. Yeah. They pronounce it Maybach. We ain't in Germany. We in the USA. Maybach. I know Ross say Maybach music, but it's a Maybach. Matter of fact, and I'm not playing. Won't you get

a second home? Another one? Yeah. Okay, she got the place in Tampa. You got the place in Miami. You know how to get out. Yeah, we building out here already. In Tampa?

No, out here in Miami. Oh. I said, you know, might get y'all like a condo in Jamaica or somewhere. Condo in Jamaica? What about the kids? What about them? You gonna leave them here? I mean,

sometimes that's just to get away from y'all. You know, y'all just get away. Well, I just get a hotel. I don't want no goddamn condo. What do you...

Because how many times am I gonna really be able to go to goddamn Jamaica? Think about it. I work too damn much. Well, you about to work more. I mean, so what are we going to do? What if they say, you know, what if somebody say, well, Shanna,

we want you and Ocho to do a five-day-a-week show? Then what are we going to say? What are you going to say? Yeah, we're going to be working five days a week. That's why I don't need no goddamn condo in Jamaica. For what? Real. I don't know Real gonna want you to work five days a week, Ocho. What?

This money come first. I don't play that. I don't play that. This money come first, boy. Love don't pay the bills. What? Yeah. Don't do that. Listen, I mess around and lose your ability to provide

and watch what happens. Oh. Watch me walk out that door. I ain't no fool. Yeah, yeah. Lose your ability. Fellas, if you listen,

lose your ability to provide and watch what happens. You think it's sweet if you want to. Yeah, she love you, huh? Hey, hey, hey. All right. Yeah. Hey, speaking of Maybach music, you think it's sweet if you want to. Yeah, she love you, huh? Hey, hey, hey. Alright. Yeah. Hey, speaking of Maybach

music, you know Rostam album dropped tonight, him and Meek Mill. Oh, did it? Yeah, and I'm co-executive producer on two songs. I just had to throw that out there just so people... Are you A&R? You the A&R guy on that? No, I'm serious. You executive producer? Two songs, I'm executive producer. So I get

credits. I'm just trying to diversify my portfolio. That's awesome there, bro. Yeah, appreciate it, appreciate it. That's real nice. Hey, check this out. I want to thank everybody that clicked that subscribe button. Make sure you click that like button also because we like positive feedback.

Hey, if you got some negative comments, leave those too because, hey, all we're trying to do is get better and better. Yeah, we only been at this thing for like a little over two months but hey if we can improve in any way we love we love the uh uh to uh to improve let me know hold on i'm just looking at this thing this says ocho and tj hushmanzada was both taken in the same draft peter ward was taken a year before in the fourth round and the fourth overall pick so y'all came in and took somebody's job. No, I didn't. P-Dub was on the other side. P-Dub was, was, was that the Z? I play,

I was at the X. All I know, how long did Peter Ward play and stay in Cincinnati? I can't remember. No, I can't, I can't remember how many years, but he had a, he had a knee injury. ACL was the ACL. I think it might have been ACL. And then he got the surgery, then he got infected. And it was never the same. Yeah, man.

But he was special in college. Boy, he was the real deal. Oh, my goodness. To be able to stop, start, stop, and transition left. I don't think people understand. And when people talk about the greatest. You remember Ampley had that ability. You remember Ampley?

Yeah. High-stepping. High-stepping Ampley. Ampley starting to stop on you. Hey, it's about the Florida State guy, man. That's starting to stop it, man. Peter Ward at Florida State. Yeah.

The real deal. And listen, I say it all the time. He is the greatest collegiate receiver I've ever seen. There have been some great ones. You know, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson. What about Crabtree? Crabtree was good, but man, Dubb was different, man. That dude had

back-to-back years, like 130 catches. Yeah, Crabtree was nice. He's the only guy to win back-to-back years, like 130 catches. Yeah, Crabtree was nice. He's the only guy to win back-to-back blitz the cops. Yeah, Crabtree was nice, but ain't nothing like Dubb, though. I'm telling you, ain't nothing like Dubb. That was special. What's the final results of our

poll for how long you can stay cuddled up? At one point, we had 1,700 votes. Two to three minutes was winning. Not no more. Asher's chicken. In stage. 1,700 votes.

How many people we had in the live tonight, Asher? We had 11,000 in the, what you call them, the night. Okay. 11,000 in the chat. I like it. I like it. I like it.

Again, we want to thank you for joining us. We really appreciate you clicking that subscribe button. It really means a lot to us that in a little over two months, we have a quarter of a million subscribers. That really means a lot. That means that you really like our content. You like the chemistry that Ocho and I, we have together. We disagree. We disagree. We agree. Sometimes we disagree.

We agree to disagree. But at the end of the day, we're going to come back and give it to you again. Sunday. Going to come back and give it to you again Monday. And we'll come back

and give it to you Thursday. And then they got a Black Friday game. So we might give it to you. We might give it to you Sunday, Monday, Thursday. Yeah, there's three games on Thanksgiving, Ocho. And a Black Friday game. Hey, let me

ask you this. You do Black Friday shopping? Oh, yeah. You know my cheap bag. That's where I'm going to knock out most of the gifts on Black Friday. I ain't missing no goddamn sale. Well, hell, any Friday I go out is Black Friday. Ain't nothing special about that for me.

But no, I can't deal with that. I can't deal. Man, there's too many people out there, Ocho. Early in the morning, you catch the stores and everything opens up

a little earlier. It closes a little later. I'm the first one in there. I'm the first one in and the first one out. Guess what? My assistant, Shelly, is the first one in there. I'm the first one in and the first one out. Guess what? My assistant, Shelly, is the first one

on that computer ordering. Amazon bring it right to the house. I ain't got to leave my house. I ain't got to worry about being no trample. I mean, people running there and fighting over a TV or some doll or something.

Go right there and get that. You don't want a part of that? No, no, no, no, no. I ain't good with crowds. You don't want to be part of that? No, no, no, no, no. I ain't good with crowds, I ain't going to lie. Yeah. Yeah, I blend right in with everybody else.

I be ready. I mean, you go, you know, man, women go, they go for one thing. It's like, see, when I go to the store, I go to the store,

they're like, how you going to come out so quick? Because I know what I was going for. I don't go to browse. I don't walk up and down the aisle like, oh, pick this up, put it back,

go grab something. No, I don't do that. I'm going to the store for a specific reason. I'm going to get that item or get those items and I'm leaving. Get out of there.

Yeah, that's why I always go by myself. Call the rule number one. You never go anywhere with a woman. Especially when it's time to shop. You never go. You never go. Ever, ever, ever, ever. You never go. You give her the money to go do what she needs to do. See? Or you go do it

yourself. Nope. Never go with them. I ain't going with you. I don't want to do nothing because y'all don't know how to go and come out. Y'all don't know how to go to the store and come out. Uh-uh. And I definitely ain't going with you. I don't want to do nothing because y'all don't know how to go and come out. Y'all don't know how to go to the store and come out. Uh-uh. And I definitely ain't going to go wait on you. Hey, just take me. Just wait in the car. Oh, no.

My girl been messing around and left and had to call Uber for you. Man, you're the man on show. I hate waiting. I hate being in the car. Oh, it's just going to be a minute. I'm going to run in there and run out. Wait. Well, see, you talking like you know, Ocho, man, I hate waiting. I hate being in the car. Oh, it's just going to be a minute. I'm going to run in there and run out. Man, shh. Wait.

Well, see, you talking like you know from experience. So how you even fell in that trap? Man, you know, Ocho, you know early on. You know, you know. Yeah. I got to show. You know, I got to show. I'm, you know, I'm willing to do, you know.

I almost cursed. My last, you know, he wouldn't do anything. I was like, okay, you know, I mean, it can't be that bad. I go, hey, I go to the store and let you go in there. I just need to go get one thing. Okay, one thing. Take me to CVS. How long she took?

Huh? How long she took? It took so long, I said, I'd never do it again. Okay, that sounds like about 30 minutes. 30 minutes in the car, that's a long time. No, 10 minutes in the car, long time. And I'm calling. I come like, damn, you ain't got it yet?

It's a line. I said, ain't no line. It's five cars in the parking lot yet? It's a line. I said, ain't no line. It's five cars in this, five cars in the parking lot. Ain't no damn line. And then she come out there, well, this here, this right here,

you know, I had to get some of this. I was running low on this. I said, see that? See, that's what I'm talking about. Now, you said you was coming to get one thing. And you got me crying. And don't,

and don't, and don't send me for no female product because I'm not going to get them. Nah, never that. Don't send me on no CVS run. Don't send me to Walgreens. Don't send me for no Plan B. None of that.

So do you let people check your bags when you travel? Yeah, I just take one bag. One bag. I take one bag and obviously the laptop I'm using now, I take my mic, I take my little mic, my little Logitech camera, and my little wires, and that's it. So you check bags? No.

Just a little carry-on and a little duffel. I mean, for me, when I travel, I'm not really going anywhere for more than three days. So it's carry-on for me. It's carry-on for me, I mean, when I travel, I'm not really going anywhere for more than three days. So it's carry on for me. It's carry on for me also. So I know I can't. I can't remember last.

I'm trying to think the last time we checked the bag. Super Bowl. I haven't checked the bag in so long unless even if I have gone for more than three days, I got a problem. You know, I recycle the same outfit and just have and change my underwear, my socks and take a shower and change my undergarments. And with the same thing, if I'm going somewhere for three days, I wear the same goddamn outfit three days in a row and don't even care. Yeah. Most of the time, if I'm going somewhere, my sister's going with me. She's going to take my bag. She'll normally go before me and she'll take it because I hate I hate I hate checking. I hate going down there waiting.

So she'll handle all that. So I'm team carry on. And if you're with me and you check a bag, well, you better get Uber. You getting left? You getting left? Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. I am not waiting.

I am not waiting. No way. Hey, man, okay, you better check with Uber and see what Lyft or whoever else is going that way because I'm not waiting. I don't do that.

What, you waiting? Nah, I'm traveling by myself anyway. So I ain't never had that problem. I am traveling by myself unless it's with me and all the kids that's the only time we checking bags that's it I hadn't traveled with the kids in so long

but they be slow you gotta do that y'all gotta that's the best thing man all us walking through the mall walking through the airport. It's like 11, 12 of us. That should feel like an entourage.

No, no, no. Too many people. Too many. No. No. We need to hook up on it. We go out to eat together. I mean, no.

Y'all go ahead and go. Daddy, you want to? Nah, here. Y'all go. Daddy don't want to go. Y'all go ahead and go daddy you wanna nah here y'all go daddy don't wanna go y'all handle that you gotta take him on a nice little trip man you know right there

down the street where you in LA so okay you in LA so Hawaii I mean you know who know who know before long I might be booed up then they can't go with, I might be booed up. With who? Then they can't go with me where I'm booed up. Because I might be walking around bucking naked.

You got somebody. You got someone. Oh, so now you ready to go to the Naked Beach I was telling you about? No, I ain't going to the Naked Beach. I'm talking about the Naked Beach or like the hotel. I mean, you know, I'm going to get me one of them old. One of them old. What's that place?

The Maldives. You know where they have them little private villas? Yeah, you know, I'm going to get me one of them old. One of them old. What's that place? The Maldives. You know, where they have them little private villas? Yeah, you need to go there. I told you about that. Yeah, you got to go there. Yeah, I really think about that. I think you went for her birthday last year. Yeah, do that.

You got to do that. But who you taking with you? Ain't no telling. Yeah. I got something for you now. Remember the lady I just told you about earlier don't forget about her thank you thank you

thank you hey did you see that video with that girl twerking and the and the guy and the guy and a girl

and his girlfriend or his wife oh he was scared to look back yeah you saw that yeah for a second I thought that was my ex right there

but she got she got me cause she got body like that too real yeah what you like she got body like that too, Ocho. For real? What? You like them curvy like that?

And she could cook. For real? But you might want to go get that back, man. She was stacked up like that. Yeah. Stacked up like dirty laundry in the dorm room. You don't want to go get that back? Nah, I hold you. We good.

Damn. We probably better friend. Damn. I don't like that. Because the way you got excited. I mean, look, look. You seem real happy, boy. You seem real happy.

I like this. You lit up. You lit up like goddamn real red-nosed reindeer. No, it was great. No no no no no no no no she was she was she was cool yeah it was cool okay i i messed it up i own it i'm cool with it i i'm cool i i've learned i've you know what ocho i'm glad you took accountability ocho like i used to beat myself up and stuff would linger and linger and linger. And I would carry bricks from a past relationship and build the same damn house in a new relationship. So I had to learn to say,

Shannon, forgive yourself, bro. Yeah. You was wrong for what you did, but you didn't kill nobody, bro. Right.

That was the hardest thing for me to do because I hate letting people down. I hate, you know, I hate when people have faith and confidence in me and to break that. Right. But human error is inevitable. You can't wear yourself down too much. Now, human error is inevitable. It took me a while, but I got over it. OK. OK. We call me. We cool. I got no got no problem. She cool. I mean, somebody go, hey, somebody,

whoever married, she cool. She great. Can cook. It might be you. You never know. You never know. Sometimes life is like

a boomerang, baby. It's going to come back to you. Yeah, stay with me now. Yeah, all right. You say that now. She's going to watch this too. She's going to talk about, why the hell are you talking about me?

She might. I say they don't know I talk about you. She might be watching that. Huh? She might be watching that. I don't know if she's watching now, but somebody,

one of her friends will get it to her. But like I said, when I first saw her, I was like, damn, there's that. Because she built just like that too. Hey, buddy, we're trying hard not her, I was like, damn, there's that. Because she built just like that, too.

Hey, buddy, we're trying hard not to look back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's hard. Boy, if that was me and Rel, nigga, Rel would have said, man, boy, turn around. Look at this. Look at that.

Man, you see all that? Oh, boy, she caked that bank sheet, baby. Yeah. Yeah, when you got somebody comfortable like that, you can share those funny and entertaining moments with. It's the best. He was scared to look back. That was hilarious.

Oh, yeah, he was. He like. He looked back. Because he looking at the jumper and said, good Lord have mercy. And I'm right here. It's right here behind my head. All I got to do is do this.

And guess what? He could only see out of one eye. Because she was going to close that one. She was going to close the one closer to her. So I already know how that was going to end. I already know how that was going to end, Ocho. Nah, but you're right. It takes a special type of woman

to allow her man to see like, okay, baby, she's fine. She look good. She's fine. Yeah. And the funny thing is, it's funny, it's even better when you're with a woman that's very secure and she noticed it before you do.

And then tap you to look, man, boy, turn around, man. Look at this. Look at this. Yeah,

man. That's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful thing. But you know, you know, 24, I say 2023 was going to be 23, 23 to start off good.

The middle of the year was kind of bad. And the thing was, you know, my sister said, hey. I said, look at my aunt. She said, Shannon, you're going to be okay. So, you know, she's the boy. My sister is really, really into the church. I mean, and she prays all the time. And I think she's taking over the role of my grandmother of praying for me, even though I pray

for myself and prayers that I don't even know that God is listening to. He's hearing. So guys, please make sure you subscribe to the podcast. You guys are doing it so great. Appreciate y'all. I love y'all.

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Now, you know, that's not how we end the show. Okay. That's not how we end the show. Okay. You got to say say. You ready? You got to make sure. I know you know this song. You got to know this song. You are very cultured. You got to stay with me. You ready? Okay, I'm going to stay

with you. I'm going to stay with you. Chat, make sure y'all sing too. And now the end is near. I thought you were singing gospel songs. No, no. Stay with me now. You're going to know this.

You're going to know it. I know who sang it. That's Sinatra. It's my way, but I don't know the words to my way. You don't? I don't. Damn. Okay, hold on. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't want you to say gospel. I don't know the words to my way. You don't? I don't. Damn. Okay, hold on, hold on. I want you to say gospel.

I would like you to go say, you know, like, I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. Yep. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm trying to reach my heavenly home. I'm trying to reach my heavenly home.

I've got a few more tears that I've got to shed. A few more burdens I've got to bear. I've got a mother there, a father there, and I'm just trying to make it in. Just trying to make it in. So I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm trying to reach my heavenly home. I've got a few more tears that I've got to shed.

A few more burdens I've got to bear. I've got a mother there, a father there, and I'm just trying to make it in. I don't know that song. I don't know that song. Come on, little Joe! I don't know that song. Oh, man. I can't believe you don't know the words to Sinatra, man. My way, man.

I'll tell you what. I'm going to learn the words and Sunday we're going to close out with my way. There we go. You ain't got to learn it. You just got to pull up the lyrics right now on your phone since you don't know the words and then go from now. I'm going to sing it. I'm going to sing it with you on Sunday. I'm going to learn

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