Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Dolphins Blow Out Jets, Jerry Jones’ Wild Takes, Super Chat Q&A

Episode Date: November 25, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Dolphins walloping the Jets (2:00), Jerry Jones’ takes (20:00), The Athletic’s NFL player poll (36:00), NBA star Anthony Edwards claiming he could play in the NFL (56:00), raccoon soup (1:05:00), and so much more. #Club #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's get right into it, Ocho. The Dolphins go to the Meadowlands, go to Met Stadium, and beat the Jets 34-13. Tua, 21-30, 243, one touchdown, two picks, and a fumble. Tua now has five turnovers in his last two games. Three today, two against the Raiders. Reek, nine catches, a buckle, two a touchdown. He now has 1,324 yards on the season with six games left.

He needs to average 113 yards per game to set the record. What does he need to go over 2K? What does he need to average to go over 2K? Okay, to go over 2K. So he needs 676 yards to reach 2,000. That's definitely possible. That's definitely possible because with him— He needs to have one of that big game, Ocho.

He needs to have that two-yard game. Game, yep. And he can cruise the rest of the way. He can cruise the rest of the way. Yep. Javon Holland, the Jets get right back in this thing with a pick six of their own. Pick six, yep.

And then look like they're driving, and then a Hail Mary, Javon Holland picks a Hail Mary, a H-E-L-L Mary, and runs it back 99 yards. Another low point for the Jets because not only did they miss the PAT after they got their

pick six, now you turn around and get another interception and you turn around and give it right back to the Dolphins. So another low light for the Jets on Thanksgiving. Remember, Ocho, the butt fumble happened on Thanksgiving in 2012. Mark Sanchez, yeah. So the Jets like, damn, damn, like Florida Evans, damn, damn, damn. Just can't get right.

And again, I have a question for you. Obviously, to me, you know, I've been in huge support of Zach Wilson, you know, ever since Aaron Rodgers went down and understanding the makeup and the DNA of what Aaron Rodgers had to work with. It wasn't going to be that of what we thought it was. Just the simple fact that Aaron Rodgers is there with the Jets, we thought, oh my goodness, all problems will be fixed and, you know, we're going to make a Super Bowl run. But you understand the landscape of the team in general, the landscape of the offensive line regards to who you put at the helm across to who you put back there you know to run it's just not going to be efficient you know we all a lot of a lot of people a lot of fans i kept rooting for zach for the simple fact that the reason is it's nothing for him to work with

it's nothing for him to work with but they have a great receiving great receivers they have really really good receivers, especially Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazar. But as far as everything else, in order for that offense to work, they have to have a foundation, a good foundation. It all starts up front.

It all starts up front. So, Nagar, so who you put back there, these are the results you're going to get week in and week out, no matter who it is. I think the thing is, Ocho,

when you're dealing with a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, he knows where to go with the football. So, you're going to probably get better results. I'm not saying you're dealing with a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, he knows where to go with the football. So you're going to probably get better results. I'm not saying you're going to be undefeated. I'm not going to say you're going to have one or two wins because I give you a prime example.

Look at the Kansas City Chiefs with Alex Smith. They're in the playoffs every year. They get Patrick Mahomes. They go to an entirely different level. So I'm not saying that the Jets are going to all of a sudden be, you know, have one loss, one, two losses. But I think the mindset changes when you got a historically in a pantheon great quarterback right the center now you no longer hope to win you expect to win now you see that defense ball out longer and harder because they know every opportunity that they give aaron rogers he's

probably going to cash it in or at least have a better situation than what they're showing right now. So I agree with you. It's not the cupboard. It's not bursting with talent. It's not. And you mentioned Alan Lazard. You do realize he was a healthy scratch today, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was out today. You think he was healthy? You think he was healthy? They said a healthy scratch. So tell the people at home that don't understand football lingo like you and I. What does healthy scratch mean? Now, this is a good one. This is a good one for me because, listen, I played for a very long time, as did you.

And this is the first time I've ever heard of actually a healthy scratch, which means this must have been something internal that must have happened. Yeah, he's not playing well. That's what's internal. In 10 games, he has 20 catches 290 yards and a touchdown and they're paying him $11 million a year

that's what's internal that's what's going on wait a minute so he's I doubt he's a healthy scratch because of that because I'm just going by

what the television said I'm just going by what the report said I don't think they know what they're talking about I don't think they know what they're talking about they definitely not going to use

Lazard as no goddamn scapegoat. I would hope they don't do that. Yes, Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch versus the Dolphins. Yeah. NFL.com says Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch against the Dolphins. Ocho, at some point in time, you're going to run out of excuses for the receivers now. I'm not making no excuses. How are you going to?

Wait a minute. First, the offensive line plays bad. The quarterback plays bad. So now you're trying to say. We passed. First, the offensive line plays bad. The quarterback plays bad. They ain't got nothing to do with Alan Lazard. We passed that. So now you're trying to say. We passed that. We're talking about Alan Lazard being a healthy scratch.

Don't go back to the offensive line. They ain't got nothing to do with him. So wait a minute. In order for him to get the balls, to be productive, what else does he need? So why isn't Garrett Wilson a healthy scratch? Why isn't Conklin a healthy scratch? Wait, who said that was the reason he's a healthy scratch? NFL.com is

reporting that Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch. Why is he a healthy scratch is what I was asking. I said something might have happened internally. He's averaging two catches a game and he's making $11 million a year. Could that clear it up for you? So you blaming him for that?

You blaming Lazard for the attempts that are coming his way? Who you blaming? Wait a minute. You can't be serious right now. Who you blaming? Are you blaming Lazard for the opportunities that he's caught that have come his way? I'm asking you, why isn't Garrett Wilson a healthy scratch? We don't know why he's a healthy scratch? We don't know why he's a healthy... We don't know why Al-Azhar

is a healthy scratch. We don't know. I said it was something in the journal. Something must have happened. Hold on. The 27-year-old struggles to create separation,

has four drops. His 9.8 drop percentage is second worst among all receivers with at least 30 targets. Let's try again. Now, go ahead. Take off.

So, wait a minute. So, he's the only motherfucker? Excuse me. I ain't mean to curse. God forgive me. We're talking about him. Don't talk about everybody else who are receivers. We're talking about Alan Lazard.

We're talking about him. That is no reason for nobody to be a healthy scratch. Because I can bring up stats for everybody who's robbing balls. I can do the same thing. Okay, but I'm just saying. That's not a reason why he's a healthy scratch. That makes no sense. What you mean it doesn't? That makes no sense. Okay, tell me'm just saying that's not a reason why he's a healthy scratch. That makes no sense. What you mean it doesn't?

That makes no sense. Okay, tell me what makes sense. Because it don't make no sense. You talk about, oh, he's a healthy scratch because he dropped a goddamn ball. Who the fuck don't? He's not playing well, Ocho. Why can't you accept that? It's a bunch of receivers not playing well.

We're talking about him. It's not a healthy scratch. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho. See, what you try to do is talk about, well, this guy dropped balls. We're not talking about everybody else. Let's deal with what we have. It don't matter. What they're trying to do is find a goddamn excuse and trying to find a goddamn escape goal by making

him healthy scratch. And it ain't for the motherfucking work. It ain't gonna work. It already worked because they sat him down. It didn't work. It ain't for the work. They think they slick. They think the way the business is running is a bunch of bullshit. First of running, it's a bunch of bullshit. First of all. It's a bunch of bullshit.

Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb, I think he was active today, but he was inactive the last two weeks. And Randall Cobb and Lazard, Aaron Rodgers, at Aaron Rodgers' request, they're making $15 million. And they haven't got the production that they thought they were going to get. There have been other receivers that

play with bad quarterbacks that doesn't drop 10% of the passes, that has more than 20 catches in 10 games. So stop trying to... Are we talking about the same Jets offense that we've been seeing for the past 10 weeks? That same offense that can't throw a goddamn ball

down the field or anything past five yards? That same offense that can't throw a goddamn ball down the field anything past five yards. That same Jets offense we talking about? Is that the Jets offense we talking about? The one where we blame Zach Wilson for every goddamn thing

and he running for his life every time he drop back. That goddamn Jets offense? How do you expect the receivers to produce if they can't even get the goddamn ball off? The same Jets offense

that you told me the last two weeks that Alan Lazar dropped two-meter passes, he got to make those plays, and you know that he will, and if he gets another opportunity, that Alan Lazar. What they doing? What they doing? They think they slick over there.

I'm just based on what you say. They think they slick. They think they slick over there in New York trying to use him at the skateboard. He's making the money he's making based on what he's been able to do, but now he's at a shit show, and he can't produce like he should and now we're going to have him a healthy scratch and try to put the goddamn onus on him. That's some

fucking bullshit. So he's the only one that's playing with a poor quarterback and a poor offensive line that's not producing. Who else? You tell me. Who else? You the one that's out here telling the puppy. Let's look at the landscape of the NFL. Who else is bad? Who else is as bad as that? You're telling me puppy. Let's look at the landscape of the NFL. Who else is bad?

You're telling me, so I want you to name the players. That's your argument. I didn't make that argument. No, I'm asking you the question. I'm not going to complete your test for you. Wait a minute. Listen to me now. Stay with me, baby. It's 32 teams

in NFL. Yes. I ain't heard of a healthy scratch in I don't know how long. As long as I played, I never heard of having a healthy scratch because they weren't producing. Never heard of that ever before. Never. Ocho. All of a sudden, oh, now he's not living up to his expectation.

He's a healthy scratch. Ocho. I know what it sound like to me. I know what it sound like to me. You know what? What are we going to blame? Why didn't they make Zach Wilson a healthy scratch? Huh? Why didn't they make Zach Wilson a healthy scratch? Huh?

Why didn't they make the quarterback a healthy scratch? He's the number three. He's the number three. All right. He's number three. Trevor Seaman is number two. Here we go. Here we go.

All right. Ocho. All right. But you want the people at home to believe that in your 11, 12-year NFL career that you never heard of a healthy scratch, that somebody that wasn't playing well? I'm just, hold on, Ocho, hold on. Wait, my mayor thing fell out. Hold on.

God damn it. My bad, baby. I'm coming. Hold on. Go ahead. God damn it. Maybe just swallow it, because you're damn sure we're listening all right there you go right there okay i got i got i got it i got it sorry sorry about that so you want the people that's listening to us now or watching us now just believe in your 11 12 year career 13 13 13 year career yeah that

you never heard of a player that wasn't playing the way the team thought he should and be scratched from the ballgame. You've never heard of that.

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And, Unc, I wouldn't sit here and lie to you, baby. You know I wouldn't lie to you. I know I play around a lot, but you can see how passionate

I am about this goddamn topic, so you know I'm not playing around. Listen, Alan Lazard, Cobb, Garrett Wilson give you your best chance to win regardless of what they have offensively at receiver. They give you your best chance to win. Shit is already bad. So you take one of the best that have been very productive,

let me finish, that have been very productive throughout their career to this point that was brought over at the request of Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers got hurt. So you mean to tell me one of the best that have been productive with Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden comes over and he's not playing the part because the entire offense in itself ain't doing a goddamn thing, but he's a goddamn healthy scratch because he can't produce. Well, maybe they're not. Make that make motherfucking sense. That's like me having a goddamn car and riding on goddamn four donuts and I'm mad. I can't goddamn drive like it ain't driving like it should. Well, maybe there's not. There's a reason why.

Alan Lazard is not Devontae Adams. Maybe his stats are a little bit more glorified because of Aaron Rodgers. Without Aaron Rodgers, it's not working. Have you thought about that? Did that thought ever cross your mind? It's a simple

yes or no. No, I don't like where you're going with that because davante adams listen davante adams is davante adams he has a different type of dna about him alan lazard is alan lazard he's a completely different type of receiver than the comparison that you just made and more reliant on great quarterback play than Devontae Adams is. Thank you. You make my point. Try, please. All right. Next up. Next up. Well, you got me 38 hot, boy. I'm mad.

Hold on. You mad at me? You should be mad at Amazon. I'm not mad at you. I just know you know the business and you know what the fuck they slick at trying to pull over there, trying to have them a fucking healthy scratch, knowing goddamn well. Boy, you put Jerry Rice in that goddamn office. He'll look just like that, too.

That's how bad it is. And I mean, I mean, no. Come on, man. You see what you see was going on. Do you see what's going on? We don't watch the Jets for the past 10 goddamn weeks. And you think Al-Azhar has anything to do with the motherfucking issues and that goddamn offense?

That's bullshit. I just want you to understand that when you put your hands up like this here and say no disrespect, whether intent doesn't matter. I didn't say anything disrespectful, though. I didn't say anything disrespectful. But you said no disrespect. I'm just trying to tell you, whether you intended it or not, when you say what you said said it's going to be disrespectful because intent only matters to you because you didn't intend it to be disrespectful but the person that's receiving the criticism is going to feel just as I didn't I didn't criticize nobody I just said as a whole in its entirety and we've all watched it for the past 10 weeks and all I've done is done my due justice and due diligence in trying to get people to understand that are watching.

There's a reason why number two isn't to be isn't able to be efficient at what he does. It's because of more than just a goddamn Ellen Lazard, more than just Garrett Wilson, more than goddamn Randall Cobb. It's more to it than just that. And you know that. You got damn put, got damn Mother Teresa that got damn quarterback, and she going to be pissed because she'll walk right off because there ain't nothing she going to be able to do either. But you and I both know that there are situations that some receivers function better

when they have a better quarterback. And I'm not, but the thing is, some receivers can elevate a quarterback play. Some quarterbacks can elevate a receiver play. Would record a basket, elevate a receiver play. Would you agree with that state? I do. I do agree with that statement. I like where you're going with that.

I love where you're going with that. Small case in the scenario. Yes. D hop. Yeah. It was with Houston. Yeah. He had a merry go round.

A merry go round. Yes. Yes. Do you see what he was able to do? Yes. Now, given the circumstances on what he was able to do? Yes. Now, given the circumstances on what the Jets have to work with, I don't think there's any quarterback in the NFL playing right now that you can put and switch any any quarterback on any team and put them on the New York Jets. And the offense would be any better than what we've seen today. You don't think so? No, what do you think?

Tell me what you think. Be honest with me. Be honest with the people that are watching. If we put any other receiver in that offense. I said any other quarterback. Leave the receivers as be. Any other quarterback in this NFL and put him in that offense, would anything be any different? in this nfl and put him in that offense would would anything be any

different be honest be honest with yourself now based on what you've seen the past 10 weeks oh boy you got me i'm glad i'm like i like this goddamn topic come on i do think because here's the thing oh joe the mind is is unbelievable too let me because i don't believe that when the offense takes the field, that they believe the guy that's under center gives them a great chance of winning. The offense, but listen, that has nothing to do with nothing. You have a job to do. You have a job

to do. You are playing into, you have a, when you go out on that field as an offense, it's an individual battle between you and the motherfucker in front of you. You can't be worried about what the goddamn quarterback got to do. You got to have a belief. Listen to me. A belief? You got to believe you can win

every battle because if you were doing your job, then your quarterback would be able to... You just told me you couldn't win with those quarterbacks. Let me finish. You just spent 10 minutes telling me you couldn't win with those quarterbacks. How you going to cut me off and I ain't finish? You talk about the offense go out there with no belief. What belief? You got a job to do. Oh, Joe. You got a job to do. As. What belief? You got a job to do. Oh, Joe. You got a job to do.

As an offensive line, you got a job to do. When you line up, there's a face in front of you. Your job is to block the face in front of you. And when you do your job individually, it makes the quarterback job easy to be able to get the ball to the goddamn receivers. No matter, ain't got nothing to do with no goddamn belief. So you believe in New England that the guys had

the same belief and everybody else that played quarterback when Tom Brady was out for whatever reason as they had in Tom Brady. Yes or no? We talk about a great offensive line. They had a great offensive line. It matters they had a great offensive line. Why do you think they were able to go

from Tom Brady to Matt Cassell and still make the playoffs? They had a great line. They didn't Tom Brady to Mac Aseo and still make the playoffs? They had a great line. They didn't make the playoffs that year. They did not make the playoffs that year. They went 10-6. But they went 10-6? Yes. Yeah, they went 10-6. So I'm asking you a simple question, Ocho. So you believe

that Kansas City, if when Patrick Mahomes comes out and they put another quarterback in, you believe they have the same belief in that quarterback as Patrick Mahomes. You believe it's Justin Herbert where to come. So you believe, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm going to give you one thing. I'm going to give you something that's tangible

for you. So you believe that Jamar Chase and those receivers have the same belief in Nagle, excuse me, in Jake Browning as they have in Joe Burrow. You're confusing me. What does the belief have to do with

anything? You have a job to do when you walk on the field. It doesn't mean anything. As a receiver, get the fuck open. If you don't have Joe Burrow, if I'm Jamar Chase, I don't care who at the helm. The X's and O's when the play is called, I'm going to be open. That sounds good in theory.

That sounds good. I'll telling you how I operate. I don't care who that damn. I got a job to do, and I'm going to go out there and do my job. They don't pay my belief to worry about who's that quarterback. They pay me to get the fuck up and catch balls and score touchdowns. That's what they pay you to do. They do that. They do that just because you're trying to get.

So what's with all this belief? That's too much going on. You got too much to worry about already. Why are you worried about who the fuck playing quarterback? That's too much. That's for the GM. That's for the head coach. That's for everybody else to worry about.

I disagree. I disagree. That's it. We're going to move along. Jerry Jones ranks this Thanksgiving win over the Commanders as one of the top Cowboy moments. He said, I don't know if i've had a better day like this and i'll include all of them i'll put super bowls in there i don't know if i've ever had a better day with the cowboys than today jerry what are you talking about jerry jones about

five years ago says yes sir you don't know the size of check that i'll be willing to write to win one more super bowl he didn't say that about a regular season game, Ocho. He didn't say, you don't believe the size of a check that I would write to win a game against the Commanders on Thanksgiving or I win a regular season game. He says, you don't believe the size of the check that I'd be willing to write

to win one more Super Bowl because he's starting to come to grips with this mortality. He realizes that he has less time than more time on this earth. And for him to say that, why would he say that, Ocho, when you know that's not true? Nobody that's won a Super Bowl would take a regular season win over a Super Bowl and say you feel just as joyous. I see more about Jerry. And if obviously be in the face and always want to be in front of

the camera, I think he was more so in the moment, more so in the moment and really not thinking about what happened in the past, more so just speaking just to be speaking. That's what I call living in the moment for the time being that you're in right now. If Jerry Jones wants to win the Super Bowl, he can put together a team to do so. Right now, defensively, he's done a great job. There's no reason. Offensively, they are awesome. All they needed for Dak to be Dak the way he is in the regular season, be the exact same way, be very efficient, don't turn the ball over,

and get CeeDee Lamb involved. Get Gallup involved. Goddamn get Cooks involved in the goddamn postseason, and they will be just fine. The only issue is, just like the Dolphins, we haven't got, I think, we talked about the Dolphins already, right? Yeah. We can go back and talk to them if you want to. Oh, yeah. After we finish this, we'll go back and talk to

the Dolphins. Just two things. Two things. One thing about the Cowboys and the Dolphins, they are somewhat very alike. Very alike. Offensively, the Dolphins, to me, much higher ceiling and much better. That, and that offense, very good as well. Obviously, them having a defense, I've given them the edge defensively over the Dolphins.

One thing that they haven't done this entirety of this season is they haven't beat a winning team or a team above.500. Neither of them. So at some point, that's when the rally sets in, once you get to the postseason. That's it. That's all they got to do. But I'm trying to understand after Jerry. jerry last won the super bowl in 95 so it's been almost three

decades and you're saying a team that's a team like the commanders you've never felt i mean look i've won some big games but when you win the super bowl ocho and you know that's the ultimate prize right right even the second and third Super Bowls, which I won, didn't bring me the joy and the gratitude and the gratification that the first one. And you mean to tell me a regular season game? You've been as excited

equally to or more so than than a Super Bowl? That's the crescendo. Do you think maybe you say that to continue to get the headlines once again? To say something ridiculous like that? Because what's the first thing everybody going to be talking about? Jerry Love.

Jerry Love. Just to keep themselves in the headlines. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what that was. But when you have the Cowboys, you're going to get the headlines. Oh, yeah. Most definitely.

Most definitely. Your fan base, they're loyal. They're devout. You generate the ratings you are a cash cow yeah it goes without saying you see think about it leonel messi doesn't say anything does he he doesn't need to talk yes sir some people they don't need to talk it goes without saying right when you're when you're that entity you don't hear the google ceo talking you don't now now now elon musk is a different animal with tesla yeah yeah yeah you don't hear people from google or salesforce or you know microsoft you don't hear them talking right the business speaks for itself right and then i just don't get what jerry what i don't believe i tell you what this is what I do know as much as the

Cowboy fans love their Cowboys I don't think any Cowboy that was alive during this time and understands what those Super Bowls meant in the 90s I don't think that one fan believe Jerry I don't think one fan believe him I think at this point as much as much as Jerry talks

as many things as he says whether you agree or disagree with him, those that are part of that Cowboy fan base take it with a grain of salt. I think they take everything he says with a grain of salt because they are worried and focused on production

in the postseason and nothing else matters. Nothing else matters. Yes! Because when you've had as much success as Dak has had in the regular season,

what's the next step? I mean, because you say, okay, it's incremental steps. And you have to, there's a process. You win, you lose. Okay, now we consistently win. And each year you like to think that we can progress a little further. And they haven't been able to get past that divisional round

and even getting back to an NFC championship. So now that's the measuring stick for Dak. Right, right. If you want to be thought of in that that little small group uh let's see joe burrow has gone to two afc championship games got to a super bowl patrick mahomes we're not even talking about him because there hasn't been a year in which he's been a starter that he didn't make the afc championship right in three of those five years he found himself in the super bowl and he's won two super

bowls so we understand but if you want to be thought of as those quarterbacks or those legendary right got to go further Ocho yeah because right now what's the difference between him and Tony Romo Tony Romo won division Tony Romo won one but he hasn't but he wasn't able to uh advance past the divisional round right and that's what the Cowboys when you you look at Staubach and you look at the guys that has those Lombardis lined up in Jerry's office, the reason why they became legendary, the reason why they became folklore is because they were able to capture the ultimate. And that's what it comes down to in this sport. In pro sports, on this menu, Ocho, there's only two things you can order,

wins and losses. Don't even come with water. Don't's only two things you can order, wins and losses. Don't even come with water. Don't give you no napkins. You get wins and losses. That's all you get. Right. And so I just think that I've been receiving

some criticism for something that I said last night. I said he led the league in interceptions consistently. But y'all know I meant turnover. So let me clarify what I said. Right.

Dak has finished in seven years, three times in the top 10 in total turnovers. Four times if you count the year because he was top five the year that he broke his ankle and missed the rest of the season. And he finished first last year, tied for first last year,

and he missed five games. So I think if somebody finishes top four, top ten, four of the seven years he's been in the league, don't you think that would qualify as someone that's turnover prone, Ocho? Yeah, somewhat, based on numbers. Everything is about numbers. Ocho, let me ask you this.

In ten years, if you finish top ten in drops in four of those eight seasons, what would people consider Ocho? If you finish top, if you finish top 10 and fumbles in four, in four of the eight years you've been in the league, they will say you got a fumbling problem. Right, right,

right. I'm just two Ocho. Two things can be true. Dad can be playing really well. And he's had a history of turning the ball over. Why can't, why, why they don't have to be mutually exclusive. And I think sometimes people lose sight of that, that two things can be true.

He can be a good player, and Adrian Peterson was a historically great running back. But what did he have a problem doing, Ocho? Fumbling the football. So, are we denying that? No! It happened! And it doesn't take away

the fact that they are great at what they do. Right, and so the thing, the problem is, is that when Dak has gotten into the playoff, that bug has reared its head. You know what?

One thing about it, and I know them boys are going to see this, to take some of the pressure off of Dak, to me, I think which would help with some of the interceptions and some of the things like that, I need my receiving core to raise their level of play. To raise their level of play. I need C.D. Lamb to always be open.

C.D. playing out his mind, Ochoa. I know you're playing out his mind. I need Gallup. I need Brandon Cooks. I'm talking about every time something is called, every time a player is called, you just got to be there for your quarterback. I'm talking about like insurance. You know, if something happened to you and you got insurance,

you know that insurance is going to cover you no matter what. I want that to be able to be blindfolded and be able to count and be able to throw a ball without even looking and knowing his receiver is going to be there for him every single time. Every time.

And I think when you get that type of trust in your quarterback and receiver, knowing he's going to be there for me, they're going to be fine, especially come playoff time. Yeah, well, C.D. has played this year like a top five receiver. Crazy. You and I debated whether he was top 10. I was like, okay, borderline top 10. But he's played like a top five receiver.

I think it goes without question to say it, that Tyreek has been the best receiver. And then A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson was balling out of his mind before he tweaked that hamstring. Chase is Chase. Keenan Allen has been phenomenal. But C.D. has been legit. C.D. has been, I mean, three straight,

I think he had three straight games with double-digit catches and 150-plus yards. Something that had never been done in NFL history. He did that. He's showing. It's going to cost you a lot of money to re-sign him because he's in the fourth year. He got that contract coming up. Guess what?

You got that boy dog on the other side, number 11, double hockey sticks. He coming up. He going to want his paper. Oh, yeah. So, hey, and guess what? Daxon going to coming up. What you going to want his paper. Oh, yeah. So, they're going to, hey, and guess what? Daxon going to come up. What you going to do with that? Yeah.

You know, that win the Super Bowl, that's automatically 50 million. It's a wrap. Oh, he gets to the NFC Championship game. Now, he's thrown his name into the MVP discussion with the way he's played the last two weeks with the touchdown, the interception, the touchdown high, interception rate low. He's thrown, he's thrust his name into the equation. But that's a great problem to have, Ocho.

I'd rather have that problem in dealing with paying guys after I've won a championship as opposed to like, who do I pay? And we haven't reached the ultimate pinnacle yet. So Dak continued to play well. I was just pointing out those are some of the things. And you just can't look at the positive. Yeah, you look at guys. Okay, Dak to play well. I was just pointing out those are some of the things. And you just can't look at the positive. Yeah, you look at guys. Okay, Dak's playing well.

I think you and I discussed that last night. He was clean. I'm talking about for Sunday clean. I'm talking about church anniversary clean. I'm talking about health inspection clean. He was clean as the board of health. He was that clean as he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hold on. What happened? There's someone in the chat that said, Ocho, you just ran about Lazard. Now you're saying that the Cowboys need to play, need to up their plate.

No, no, no. Huh? I don't think they, I don't think he understand what I was talking about, huh? When you get into the postseason, the receivers, Yeah. What's the first thing that's going to happen when you get into the postseason the receivers yeah what's the first thing that's gonna happen when you get into the postseason we doubling we double we

doubling CD so I need Gallup and I need Brandon cooks to do exactly what he do exactly like his last name say I need you to cook every time I think every time and they've been planning they been playing really well I think what they're saying is that with Aaron Rodgers goes out, Alan Lazard should have said, hey, I'm going to up my play. I think that's the argument that they're making. Wait a minute. Listen. You can't. They don't have the same structure now. We talk about the Cowboys. Don't do that.

We can't compare the Jets offense and the Cowboys offense now. Come on now. Stay with me. You said it didn't matter what offense. You said it got a job to do. Are they doing a job? Are they doing a job in New York? Are they doing a job in New York? Are they doing the job? I've been telling you that from day one

and you argue me down. I'm arguing you down because Zach can't do his goddamn job because the job in front of him ain't doing theirs. But has he ever done his job? And how the person in the chat don't understand what I'm saying. How you don't understand what I'm saying? Hey, someone else in the chat said, Ocho, low key,

you canceled your own argument, bro. Nah, they don't know. See, I hate talking with football with people that don't know goddamn football. I would talk about the interception. I'm thinking about the interception that I've seen last year in the postseason. It was going to the receivers that were motherfucking covered. Everybody want to know what my T-shirt be saying? That's a horrible idea.

What time? The athletic, hold on. You want to go back to Tua. Ocho, I got some concerns because the turnovers are starting to rise. You see, that's two games. The last two games, five turnovers. That's concerning because you know come playoff time, Ocho, you turn the ball

over three times, two times, you're going home. Yeah, you're going home. But listen, we just talked about that. Did we not just talk the other night? That was last night, matter of fact. That goddamn out route. That goddamn out route. You late with this going. If you late, if you try to hitch, when you hit that third step, the ball got to be gone.

The ball got to be gone. If you're going to miss, you either miss wide or you miss out of bounds. Yes. One or the other. Yes. We just talked about that.

Ocho. A very difficult throw. And plus, Tua doesn't have the strongest arm to begin with. You don't think so? No, Ocho. What you mean,

do I think so? Listen, I ain't seen Tua up close now listen i ain't seen two up close now i ain't seen him up close to be able to judge no no he ain't got no arm he has okay he has to throw with incredible anticipation kind of like brock purdy but i think brock purdy uh anticipatory skills are as good as that we've seen right he just doesn't have like my home can anticipate but homes my homes can throw the ball through an hour of a hurricane. There's a difference.

Marino had that kind of anticipation, but he had arm strength. You know, a lot of times we see guys with great anticipation, they don't have the Josh Allen or the Brett Favre or the Patrick Mahomes, the John Elway type arm strength. Tua, if he's ever late, it's going the other way. It's really that simple. Because the guy because here's the thing.

When you run that speed out, Ocho, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you hit 10 and roll to 12, that ball got to be gone. Yes! Because if you miss, the DB's on your hip. That's why you're speeding out of the thing. Because you're rolling away from him.

If you miss, you're going to hit him in the chest. You hit a guy on the chest on the out route, it's going to the house. Unless it's like 80 yards and you miss with Tyreek. Tyreek will chase him down. But other than that, that's to the house. He's got a full head of steam one way, and you roll in the other way, chasing down. But other than that, that's to the house. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a full head of steam one way

and, and, and you rolling the other way. It's over. Yeah. It's kind of the same on that, on that Hail Mary

that the Jets, I looked at Ash when the guy intercepted. I said, you finna run this back. And she looked at me like, I said, because you got to understand

all the receivers are in the end zone. Down the end zone. Yeah. You ain't got no, but linemen and a non-athletic quarterback that's about to try to make the tackle. You had a running back in there. He got a block.

Boom, it's over. It's a wrap, yeah. It's just like Alabama, the kick six. It's kind of like a deep interception. Well, you got the receivers right there. So the guy gets the ball running back this way. It's over. Like I said, unless you got a Tyreek or a DK,

somebody that can chase him down down but in that situation yeah you're asking them you're asking an awful lot that's concerning for me yes they're dangerous they still had two guys over 100 yards today one guy had 10 catches i think the other guy had nine catches tyreek and waddle both went over 100 yards yeah um basically all the yards came between those two guys. I think between them, they had like 220 of the 243 that Tua had. But the interception, the turnovers are starting to concern me. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal.

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It was the number one. Yes. This was easy for me. I got it. Because it was my favorite stadium to play. You're number one or everybody else? No, it was there. The players, current players, anonymously were asked their favorite stadium.

I'm trying to think. I'm trying. Maybe, I'm thinking I'm going to just go with the two loudest stadiums. That wouldn't be a favorite though. Arrowhead or the 12 man out there in seattle arrowhead was number one it was ah that's a good one u.s bank stadium which is minnesota stadium number two yeah it's loud but to go there and to see it's a sea of red yeah and they bring that bt b2 uh b2 bomber over and it's just like hovering. And it's right there, but you don't hear it

until it gets past you. And then it's rumbling. The stadium is actually rumbling. And all you see is red. And the National Anthem and the home of the Chiefs.

I remember that. You can feel the wind of all those people saying jeez and it just gives you goosebumps and you know you got to be on your best behavior now when we played them they're mile high

but you have to understand it was different because when I played them in 90s they were on a defensive team they were loaded they had DT. They had Dale Carter. They had Dale Carter, DT, Neal Smith, James Hastie. They had Deron Cherry, Martin Bayless, Dan Salamua, Joe Phillips. They were loaded on the defensive side.

And, you know, they had Barry Ward, Christian Acoria. So Marty Schottenheimer was the coach. They run the ball. You know, Marty wasn't going to do anything crazy and then turn it over to his defense. And you see, they get you backed up. DT running the end zone and do this. That's what y'all want to see?

And the fans go crazy. Oh yeah, he said, that's what y'all want to see? Okay. They get you backed up, Ocho. They get you backed up. It got so loud they had to change the rules because Dan told us, we went there one time, and Dan says, John, if you can't hear, just turn to the official and tell him you can't hear.

Hmm. Well. Why not go on silent count? But that was before the silent, there was no silent count. We ended up, teams ended up going to the silent count, but the official would make the crowd the home crowd quiet down so you could hear the snap and they said

if you didn't quiet down they would start taking timeouts oh okay okay now we can't have that that's the whole purpose of having home field advantage is to have your crowd get into it so they changed the rule and then everybody started going on the silent count.

Arrowhead was number one U.S. Bank Stadium. The Vikings was number two. The least favorite stadium to play in. What do you think the players voted? I'm trying to think.

I would go, well, obviously, the Raiders aren't at the black hole, so it's nice over there, so the black hole wouldn't be, trying to think, least favorite. I got both of these. Which fan base is really crazy?

Maybe the Eagles? Eagles. Eagles. What about the Eagles? Yep. No, not the Eagles. Eagles, no. The old Eagles, when I played, the Eagles used to play at the vet,

which was turf. It was concrete with basically a carpet laid on top of it. Eagles, no. The old Eagles, when I played, the Eagles used to play at the vet. Right. Which was turf. It was concrete with basically a carpet laid on top of it. Ouch. It was terrible, yes. The players voted. MetLife is where the Jets and the Giants play. Oh, that is a bad stadium.

And FedEx Field. Because remember, they just had no hot water just last week. So, and the toilet's been backing up from what I've heard. But when I played, I would say that the Eagles played, the old Astrodome, they did away with that before you got to the league. Cleveland

Municipal Stadium was a dump. Yeah. Yeah, it was a dump. It was bad. It was really, really bad. Yeah. Yeah, it was a dump, Ocho. It was bad. It was really, really bad. Yeah. The most annoying fan base. It gotta be the Eagles. They crazy. It gotta be the Eagles.

Man, the Eagles threw snowballs at Santa. You know they ain't wrapped too tight. They said Santa ain't bring them, ish. So he deserved it. Okay, the Eagles were number one. Who's number two? Number two. Fan base is really crazy. Ocho, come on now.

It's a good one. The Bills. Nope. Most annoying. Oh, annoying. Okay. Oh, the Cowboys. Thank you. Okay, okay, okay. Thank you. But see, I came along. We didn. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Thank you.

But, you know, but see, I came along. We didn't really know how annoying a fan base was because there was no social media. So there was nobody on line, oh, y'all, you suck, Cowboy Nation, and Eagles Fly, whatever, whatever, Eagles Fly, because I think Ravens flock, Eagles Fly. There was none of that going on.

So we didn't get it until you got there. But every fan base was rabid. Check this out. Coach, other than your own, that you would have wanted to play for? That I would have wanted to play for? Yep. Oh, that's a good, that's an easy one. In that Andy Reid offense.

Nope. Yeah. What? He wouldn't want. He wasn't one. He wasn't one. So depending on who you ask, you have an offensive player. He was three.

So who would be one? If you had a coach that would like to play world. I mean, that was easy for me. I got, I got, I got number one.

I would, I would, I went with Andy Reed too, but I got this one. Number one, no hands. Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin. Matter of fact, Mike.

That's a good one. I like Mike. Mike is a good one. Number two was Mike McDaniel. That's another good one. You notice everybody you just named are player coaches? I thought they would have named Kyle Shanahan. Can you imagine in that offense?

That offense? That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Everybody that those top three are all player coaches and relate very well to the players. Danny donated $70 to ask, Uncle Nocho,

what are the best parts of playing in the NFL? What are the worst parts? I'll let you go first. What's the best part? Let me see. The best part? Competing. As a matter of fact,

the best part to me is the game. Being able to compete. Getting up, practicing, showing up to meetings, going through the game plan, going out, executing the game plan, and then going out Sunday and trying to execute it the exact same way you did, obviously, that you worked on in practice. For me, the entertainment value, for one, that I was able to bring to the game, though, was bar none and one of the best things for me. The bad thing. What would be the bad thing? I don't know about you, but the injury. I got two repaired hips.

I got a repaired eye. I had a dislocated hip. I got a broken, I got a fractured collarbone that still had to heal. God damn, you got fucked up listen I didn't have the energy but the only bad thing for me the only bad thing for me was the fact that

the entertainment value that I brought to the game they saw me as a villain and they kept taking my money over it I think that was the only now everything is accepted yeah I think for me

the camaraderie see I enjoyed the game I miss game man but i like i love the practice i love the practices i love the meeting i love the locker room i love the bus rides i love the plane yeah i love all of that the the the the bonding and the journey to get to that destination which is the superbowl and to win that that's that is the Super Bowl and to win that. That's the look. Look, the money, because it gave me an opportunity to take care of my family in a way

that I probably never could have. Maybe I could have, but I didn't really love anything as much as I love football. Now, had I not been able to fulfill my dreams, I was going to law school. I was going to be a doctor. And I think I could have been,

I think people like my debating skills. I think I could have been, you know, I think people like my debating skills. I think I'd have been a damn good lawyer. Okay, Johnny Cockrell? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You know, Johnny Cockrell,

Willie Garrett, you know, Jerry Spence. I'd have been one of them, you know, one of them big time guys. And so I think that's the best part, Ocho, is the opportunity

to provide for your family at a level that you probably didn't even dream of. Because even though I was going to play in the NFL, man, if you got a million dollars in the NFL when I first got there, man, you were making big time money. It wasn't no seven, eight, ten million

dollar deals going on. As a matter of fact, when I first got to the NFL, there wasn't even no free agency. There wasn't no free agency. So they offered you, you had to take whatever they offered. That's why a lot of these guys stayed with one team forever. Oh, Joe, where you going? Right, right, right, right. Where you going?

Yeah. And so a lot of, and that's what you saw, is that these great teams, all of them got, oh, you look at the Steelers. Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Lambert, Ham, Bradshaw, they traded Franco Starworth Swan Webster all the guys get all at once then what do you got all those guys are Hall of Famers but they're retiring within a year two of each other then what yeah and when I think about I

never really thought about you know the money and the financial aspect of it because I was I was so busy enjoying the game the same way I it because I was so busy enjoying the game the same way I did when I was a little shorty. The same way I played football, I tell you no lie, the same way I played football at Liberty City Optimist, at Miami Beach Senior High, or Miami Lakes Optimist when I played them, I'm talking about back in 1988, is the same way I played the game once I got to the NFL. And the fact that they tried to get me to conform and change the way I played the game, it wasn't happening. And the funny thing about it, when we think about the NFL and when you don't abide by

the rules, I didn't break the rules. I just bent them just a little bit because I felt the game should be played in an entertaining ... Listen, I felt the game should be played in an entertaining fashion. So the first thing they think, well, we going to take what you think we... We going to take what we think you value most. That's where the fines come in at. But Lord be, Lord behold, man, I'm not here for the money because I'm going to make that regardless. I'm going to play the game the way I play it as a little shorty and have fun doing it

because when my time is up, I don't want no regrets about, damn, I should have did this while I was playing. Rod 870 asks, who is the better route runner? Ochoa, AB. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. That's a good one. You were bumping them just earlier.

You know what the funny thing about it is? People won't even know. Me and AB trained together for the past, what? They ain't ask you that. 13, 14 years. They ain't ask you that. They ask you a simple question. Who's the better route runner?

They ain't ask you who you train with. Now, get the people to answer. It depends. I'm the greatest route runner of all time. It depends on what? Who is the better? I'm the greatest route runner of all time. Of all time.

Say that. I'm the greatest. Let me talk. Let me say something. I'm the greatest route runner of all time. There's one receiver. Listen to me. Stay with me, baby.

There's one receiver. And NFL Films has all the footage that can come to the line of scrimmage listen to me stay with me baby there's one receiver and you can you can an nfl hill nfl films has all the footage that can come to the line of scrimmage and before the snap of the ball tell the db my route and still get open there's only one person that's ever done that let me let me finish there's one receiver that before the season started he has a he had a list of every db every db in his locker it was checking them off week to week. There's only one. I don't care what nobody else did.

No, I'm talking about early in my career. I can't ask you no questions. I'm talking about early in my career. You said stay with me, Ocho. Stay with me now. Stay with me. I'm trying to keep up with you now. The funny thing about it,

that's one man. And it ain't really bad to lose to that one man because that one man is one of the greatest to ever play the game. He got you, Ocho. What that would have said about you

if you would have did a number on it? Huh? Huh, I mean, you heard exactly what I said. No, I would have said I got lucky because that motherfucker was good, boy. That nigga Revis had the motherfucking patience of Sally Mae. Because you know,

ain't nobody paying that money no time soon. But at that line of scrimmage, boy, that nigga was good. He ain't back in that first move. No, no at that line of scrimmage, boy, that nigga was... He ain't biting that first move. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he got... If you look at him the way he's built, he got long.

He struck, man. He got long arms, Ocho. Yeah. And that first move, he ain't biting. And he just going to turn and run. And he can do this or this. And he got that... He put that little arm bar

right by your hip so you really can't go nowhere. And then his ball playing skills was fucking elite. Yeah. Elite ball playing skills. Elite. Yeah.

Yeah. He was good. He was good. I mean, you watch him, his feet. I mean, hey, he ain't opening up too soon. Hey, all that. He's like, I see all that that hair moving but that waist ain't moved up that's right there's only there's only one person one

person who had consistent success against rebus and that was stevie johnson stevie johnson was a phenomenal phenomenal receiver especially in the phone booth when it comes to to creating separation and making you think, making you do something you didn't think he was doing. Steve Johnson was unbelievable. But it was rare that he opened up too soon. Because he never bit the first

move. And sometimes he wouldn't even go for the goddamn second one. Yeah, that's why I say, listen, Revis had the patience that Sally made. Because you know people ain't paying them loans back no time soon and re was gonna sit there wait for you he's gonna wait for you but sally made just wait for you to get a better paying job and then she's gonna come knocking on your door hey i need to get that sally may say i ain't bothering you that little first

job because i know that's a little that's a little starter job it's just like your first house oh you know everybody they got him a star of the house i'm awake i to wait. I'm going to wait until that second or third job. When you get that big payday, then I'm going to send those notices out. Pelser17 asked, how many rings would you have won now and how many rings

would you have now in a league like this? Oh, let me go back. He also asked, who is the better route runner, me or Witt? Really, dude? Wait, no, you was a different type of tight end than Witt. Come on, now. Just understand the game, now. I was a legit, I got drafted as a wide receiver,

and they moved me to tight end, but I could still maneuver like, I ran bang eights. I ran comebacks. I ran digs. They put me outside. I ran sluggles. I ran speed outs. How many tight ends you think even in today's game, they've hit 10,

rolled a 12? How many of them running a comeback? How many of them running a dig? How many of them running a dagger? How many of them running a shake route? I could literally running a dagger? How many of them running a shake route? I could literally run the route Triocho That's not even a fair comparison

To ask a guy that was 228 Could a guy 250 Run better routes than me Talk your talk, talk your talk now I'm with you when you're right I ain't gonna auger the fact man I done seen you now I got the film Whitney had an unbelievable career I'm with you when you're right. One thing about it, I'm with you when you're right. I ain't going to augur the fact, man. I done seen you now.

I got the film. Whitney had an unbelievable career, but ain't no tight end. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Not no routes. Because you got to realize, I spent a lot of time outside the numbers.

Yeah. I'm running, I'm running, I'm running, what tight end you know running bang eights? Right now, that ain't happening? Right now? That ain't happening.

I got a question. I got, well, no, he's just a big body with great hands. I was thinking about Jimmy Smith. What do you think about Jimmy Smith? I mean, Jimmy Smith. Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham. Jimmy was a big body. He wasn't a route runner. That's the first, that's why I said that. See, I look at guys

like Jimmy. He was kind of like Mark Jamiro, Ben Coates, Bavaro. They play bumper cars. They look into banging somebody and bump off them. I ain't trying to let you touch me. I'm trying. Hey, I'm shaking. Ooh, ooh. I'm.

Hey, hey. You ain't getting none of that. You ain't finna touch me. Bro, I'm only 228. Bro, I can't let you get your hands on me. Right. Now, if you a safety or DB, yeah, I'm gonna throw your little ass out the way.

But if you a linebacker, I ain't trying to let you get your hands on me. I'm not gonna let you square me up. And I always say, I'm always playing on Ocho. I'm playing half a man. Because if I let you, I can't let you do this. It's like you here, and I'm here, or you here, and I'm here. But I'm not gonna let you

square me up. You not gonna hit me in my breastplate. No, I'm always playing on half a and I'm here. But I'm not going to let you square me up. You're not going to hit me in my breastplate. No, I'm always playing on half a man. And that's what I tell the guys not play half a man. Yeah. Not the whole A. Make A. Make sure you understand. You want him to be half the man that he can be.

Right. And you know what's funny? When I think about it, there are are some receivers big body receivers that enjoy where they really don't have the physical tools or the DNA to play half a man because they really can't

get around nobody that will like that want the engagement I've seen T.O. do it I've seen Brandon Marshall do it you ever seen that pull and tug yes

you know how strong you gotta be to have a pull and tug and still remain within the timing of an offense yeah my brother was a big with him like that I tried to do i tried to pull that pulling tug shit off one time

i'll tell you no lie i was on the sideline you definitely got to play they missed the db rolled my ass all the way to the sideline i said you know what i ain't i ain't watching the big niggas no more man i ain't watching no you can't oh no You need to be, in order to play through the contact, you need to be at least 220. I might have been 180 at best.

Guys like you said, Julio, Gio, Brandon Marshall, Megatron. It's crazy. Megatron too. I don't understand. It's crazy. I'mron, too. I don't understand. Megatron was 240, though. It's crazy. I'm talking about they would let the DB get hands on him. Like, let him get hands on him and grab in between the shoulder pads

and just tug and pull whichever way they want to go and be open every time. Every time? Yeah. Because what you do when you do that, when you pull him, you launch yourself forward. That's just like a DB. If you notice, sometimes DB grab you by the hip and undercut the route. because what you do when you do that, when you pull him, you launch yourself forward. That's just like a DB.

If you notice, sometimes DB grab you by the hip and undercut the route because they slow you down and launch themselves forward. So you have to, because I did that a lot. Get beat on the block, grab the guy by his waist, make them know I'm in front of him. Man, how you do that? Don't worry about it. You'll see it on film.

The truth is a trade. Richard Sherman also said Stevie Johnson was the hardest receiver to cover. Yeah. Yeah. Stevie was shifty. Any tall, long, lanky corners like Richard Sherman or even in today's game, I'm thinking about Jalen Ramsey. Yeah. He would pose problems for anybody because you not getting no hand.

You not getting, man. Those guys are spriders. You missing. You missing. Everybody, everybody in this chat, y'all remember and one, right? You remember the and one basketball? Yeah.

That's exactly how Stevie Johnson got off the ball. Him and Keenan Allen. Oh my God. Bad saucy. Hey, I don't know what you was in the league when Deontay Hall from Kansas City. Yeah, man.

Remember what he did to the Broncos? I was there. What do you mean? What did he do? Oh, you was on? That was a kick return, a punt return. Punt return. Man, the human joystick.

The human joystick. Hey, go back and look. He caught a hitch route. Uh-huh. He juked by 12 guys. Had guys running into each other, looking like Keystone cops. Google that play. He juked by 12 guys. Had guys running into each other looking like Keystone cops. Google that play.

That was against us in mile high. I'm like, well, damn. That was also the game. Portis hit him up for like 205 touchdowns. Check this out, Ocho. Yeah.

Anthony Edwards says he could be the first NBA and NFL player. Ant-Man, I think I might be the first. Fonny Marco, he sat down and did an interview

with Fonny Marco. Fonny Marco asked, are you going to do it? Ant-Man, I'm going to try. First. Farnie Markle, he sat down and did an interview with Farnie Markle. Farnie Markle asked, are you going to do it? Ant-Man, I'm going to try. First, I got to handle my business in the NBA. Minnesota, we won a championship. After that, we'll figure it out. How tall is Anthony Edwards? About, what, 6'8", 6'7"?

No, he's 6'4", 6'5". That's it? That's it. So then he would have to play receiver. But he'd get banged up, right? Ocho. He'd get banged up. joe he'd get banged up oh joe i don't know what got y'all crying about files in the nba just imagine when y'all shoot a jump shot y'all concerned about coming down on somebody's foot right can you imagine you jump your ass up in the air they're gonna snatch you out the sky yeah especially that

tall he that's my that's a big target, though. But maybe Anthony Edwards is built different. You know, maybe in high school he might have been a five-star recruit coming out. Obviously, I'm not sure if that will actually translate into the NFL, but still, he's a dog at what he does, especially NBA. That's that boy. That's that boy. I'm just

not sure if it would translate the way he thinks it is or would mentally. It's a different animal. It's a different animal once you get to the NFL now, especially when you're that big. And everybody says, oh, he can play. Bro, do you understand? Look, I was in the league.

Deion's a year older than me. So Deion came in in 89. I came in 90. I was also in the league with Bo. So to say you think somebody can do it versus actually seeing somebody do it. But I think basketball is a little bit more, because I don't know

how often you go to NBA games, but you go watch the NBA games. You watch the eighth and ninth guys shoot the basketball, and they don't miss. They'll make 10, 11 shots in an effing row. But the mindset to be a football player and deal

with that physicality. You thought the NBA was physical back in the 80s and 90s and even though they've relaxed a lot of the rules in the NFL. Right. That's a different animal. That's a different animal though Ocho. And that's what I tell guys. I said, look, I'm not trying to short change

your talent because I believe you're talented. Now, a lot of these guys might have played football. Matt Barnes played football, but he gave it up to focus on basketball. And that's what most of these guys did. Once they got to like the eighth or the ninth grade, they gave it up. So they didn't play

anymore, played the last three years of high school, didn't play. If they went to college, didn't play. And then all of a sudden, you think you're just going to like pick it? Yeah. His mental capacity and just the way he built, the way he thinks, based on his background, based on his upbringing, he truly believes he could transition and do it. He truly believes that. Is it a reality or is it even possible? Probably not. But the way he operates with that dog mentality, he has the makeup to be able to do it in the DNA.

But it's just obviously it's too late. It wouldn't even be possible because football and basketball, they run during the same time. Yes. And to speak to your fact, and you know my knowledge of the game of basketball is not where it should be, but I'm going to a game finally. We're going to get you working on that, though. Listen, I'm going to a game this Monday. Me and Doug, we're going to,

I'm sitting courtside for the Lakers and Philly game. Okay. In Philly. So I'm excited. This is my first game in three years. Watch those guys. Just watch them warm up and watch how effortless they shoot the ball.

And guys will make seven, eight, ten. They'll make seven threes in a row. And you're like, bro, how you the tenth guy and you didn't miss? Yeah, but who do I watch? Who do I watch? Because the Philly playing the Lakers, the Lakers playing the Philly, who do I watch? They got Joel Embiid.

Hey, that boy nice. They got Tyrese Maxey. Tyrese Maxey been balling out of his mind. Well, obviously, you know the Lakers. You know LeBron and AD, Reeves.

I mean, but just, I mean. AD playing? AD playing? Yeah. I'm going to put him aside because he need, he need a nutritionist. I need to holler at AD.

AD, right. The last time he played, that's the second game in the first 15, in the first 15, the 13 games that he's gone scoreless in the second half. Wait, is there a reason? I don't know what the reason

is. All I know is the Maverick has one of the worst interior defenses in basketball. And he has zero points. Well, maybe he was kicking the ball out all the time. See, that's my basketball lingo. He was kicking the ball out. Ocho, I ain't kicking nothing out.

It's like what you said. When you got somebody and you know you can beat them, you ain't telling Carson, hey, Carson, go and feed TJ. Go ahead and feed him. No, you give me that. Hey, give me that. Right.

Okay. I ain't kicking nothing out. I see where you're going. When you, when you. But isn't that selfish? Is it selfish if the team is winning and there's an open man, you don't want to dish it out? You don't want to kick it out? But you're asking an awful lot for an almost 39-year-old to carry you.

This is supposed to be Anthony Davis' team. Right. This is what it's supposed to be now. I remember LeBron saying that. Remember? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, remember yeah but you got to take it you got to take it I wanted to be John Elway's go to guy

I took it I made him in practice I made it the way I practice and come game time he know he going to catch it or it's going to be incomplete well what if his mentality is not like that what happens just for the sake of the argument

a hypothetical question yeah what happens if Anthony Davis had a Kobe Bryant type mentality he'd be the best player in the NBA or a John Moran he'd be the best player or a Derrick Rose type Allen Iverson that just that he would be the best

player in the NBA. And that's what, and see, that's the difference. When I was talking, me and you was talking about earlier about a mindset. Right.

You see how important the mindset is? Right. Ocho, I played my entire career. Can he transition? Can he transition into that type of mindset or is it too late? Ocho,

you're 12 years in. Ocho, you born with that. You think Kobe developed that once he got to the NBA? No, no, no. That started when you were little. That started when you were little.

That started when you were little. That killer mindset. You don't even know you got it. It's just the way you approach the game. Yes. Okay, okay. I was just curious. Me, I was the youngest of all my cousins.

Like, my sister's the oldest. Of all my cousins, on my mom's side, my sister's the oldest. And so Arnell is next to her, who's seven years older than me. sister's the oldest of all my cousins on my mom on my mom's side my sister's the oldest and so arnelle is next to her who's seven years older than me eugene was six years old resting so my brother's three years my cousin's two years and so we playing they calling travel they doing everything they be hey i had to develop a mindset i say i want to play i'm i'm i'm tired of being picked last oh okay i'm gonna throw'm going to throw in Ocho. Okay, if you get the best player, if you get the best player,

you also got to take the worst player, which is me. Man, I got tired of that, Ocho. Right, right, right. So I developed a mindset. No, no, no. No. Going to the park, I'm the last guy picked. Okay.

Now, everybody waiting. Hey, we're going to take sharp. And so that's the mindset you got to have. And like I said, I played my entire career. Ladies and gentlemen, I weighed 228 pounds. You're not going to beat me all day long, Ocho. Right, right, right, right. Being straight hand, being reggie, I got to win some of these battles.

I ain't saying I'm going to win them all, but I got to win some. Hey, Strahan was strong? Man, straight lock. Was he? Man, straight, hey. Like Reggie White with that one arm strong? Reggie was a different animal. Reggie was throwing 350

pound men. So what the hell do you think? I had to trick him. Had to take a false step and cut him off. But we got to the Super Bowl. I really didn't like the cut. Especially

a guy like them because the last thing I want to do is injure this man. But it was the Super Bowl. You said, fuck it, huh? I had to get it. I'm sorry, Reggie. I'm sorry. I was cutting everything, Ochoa.

I was cutting everything. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you had a disadvantage, man. You had a complete disadvantage, man. But Reggie was ungodly strong. Bruce was strong. And Bruce, you have to understand, Bruce, he played basically, he got all those sacks basically in a 3-4 defense.

So Reggie was a 5-tech. I mean, Bruce was a 5-technique. Technique, right. That's crazy. Which is, yeah, he got 200 sacks basically with the exception of maybe the last couple of years in Washington. He was a 5-tech. Right. And remember Dexter Manley?

Yeah. Yeah. I think Dex was gone by the time, I think. I don't think I played against him. I played against Charles Mann in Washington. They had a good team. They had a good team. I think we played them the year after they won the Super Bowl in 91.

I think that's when we played them. I think we played them there. We played them in the old RFK Stadium. It was a dump too. Ocho, I don't know if you saw this video. Did you see this guy made a raccoon soup? And he made it with all the ingredients that I told you. Bell pepper, onions. Yeah. I saw it on Twitter. So I want you to do me a favor. You want to try it with me?

Absolutely not. No. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Time out. Time out. I you to do me a favor. You want to try it with me? Absolutely not. No. No, no, no. Hold on. I got to get a timeout. I got to get a full timeout, Ocho. You'll suck toes, but you won't eat no coon. Let's rewind that. Let me rewind this again and let me press play.

You mean to tell me you'll eat some raccoon soup, but you ain't going to suck no toes? No. No. Raccoons eat out the garbage. to tell me you'll eat some raccoon soup but you ain't going to suck no toes. No, no. No, sir. Boy, raccoons eat out the garbage. Raccoons eat everything. Come to me. But you won't suck on no toes that's clean? Just had a pedicure?

I tell you what. A chicken and a hog is nastier than a raccoon. Look it up. Yeah, I know about that. I know about that. I know about that. I know about that. But listen, they all nasty. They all nasty. I ain't need no toes.

You ain't gotta eat them. All you doing is taking some ice, crushed ice. What, you got a sprained toe or something? I'll give you some crushed ice for a sprained toe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You start with that pinky toe and you play it like the flute, like you Andre 3000. No.

Yeah. I was never in the band. And if I were in the band, I wasn't going to play the flute. I was going to play the trumpet or the trombone. So, no. Hey, Ocho.

You got, look. I'm talking about Ocho, Unc and Ocho. Yes, sir. Exotic, exotic eating. We going all over, we going all over the country. All over the world?

All over the world? Eating armadillo, possum, raccoon, turtle. Listen, we got to show. That sounds like some goddamn fifth factor shit. For that, I do that. One thing, I try anything once.

Anything. Now, I'm talking about food. I'm talking about food. I ain't... I'm about to call you. I'm about to call you. I'm about to call you. Are you on your own? Yeah, let me clarify. Yeah, because you out here

talking about you a tricycle. Talking about you a try anything. Oh, no. No, no, no. Only thing I know is tricycle. And I ain't rolled with it since 19, 19, since 1983.

But that thing look good, though. You got to admit, it look good. The way he had that thing, it had some cone rays It look good But what have been better is If we were to have a show like that We would travel the world

And try exotic foods Or exotic delicacies Whatever it might be You can't tell me what it is Because if you tell me what it is Then mentally I ain't gonna be there If you don't tell me Don't tell me it's raccoon soup

Just give me the soup And let me try it. And then I'll be okay. See, I already got you psyched out. See, I want some pig ear sandwich. With old pig ear sandwich. I have brioche bread and mustard. I want pig ear sandwich.

I want some greens with pigtails in them. Okay, I eat pigtails. I eat pig feet. Not pig ear and pig tongue. I know another tail you eat too, but anyway. Huh? I ain't saying nothing. Wait, you don't eat pig tail, I eat pig feet. Now, pig ear and pig tongue. I know another tail you eat too, but anyway. Huh? I ain't saying nothing. Wait, you don't eat the tail?

We got a lot of music questions, Ocho. Donnie donated, oh, we're moving on. Donnie donated $20 there. You got off that topic quick. Uncle hated fine. What music did you listen to before the game during your career? All them boys hated me. And I'm sure, I'm not sure if any of my former players or former teammates are in this chat, but boy, they hated me.

We had a surround sound system, right? Yeah. And you know, game day, seniority rules. Seniority rules, whoever get to that surround sound system first, that is the music you get to hear. Unk. What you had on there too? Man, Unk, I had Frank Sinatra playing. I had blues, classical music playing.

Unc, I had gospel playing. And they come in there hollering, screaming, man, get this bullshit off the goddamn, we trying to get ready for a game. And you know, man, shit, put your earphones on. Put your earphones on. Because for me, Unc, I done did so much shit talking through the week, through the media, playing around, giving the

other team bulletin board material. The last thing I needed to be on game day was rah, rah, rah. I needed to be relaxed in a nice, calm, and quiet mental state because now I got to go out there and perform and back up all that shit I done talked during the week.

So I needed that classical music. I needed that jazz. I needed to hear Frank Sinatra. So I was in a calm state. So I went out there and I was able to execute and back up all that shit I talked. Man,. I needed that jazz. I needed to hear Frank Sinatra. So I was in a calm state. So I went out there and I was able to execute and back up all that shit I talked. Man, they hated me, man. They hated it. I was the exact same way.

Michelle and Dago Ocello was one. Maxwell was two. Shawty was three. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Ocho, I couldn't listen to that get me up because I'm already amped. Yeah. Man, my heart be about to explode.

So I need something to calm me down. Man, you know what Michael Parsons say? He took that C4 powder. Ocho, I took some of that before the game. The guy was like, man, Sharp, take this. Ocho, I like the past style, Ocho. Serious? You took too much, huh? Ocho, I like the past style, Ocho. Serious? You took too much, huh?

Ocho, I'm already amped. I'm already a guy that gets going. Naturally, naturally. Ocho, I ran down there on kickoff. I missed, man, I was on the oxygen for about 10 minutes, Ocho. And you was in Denver, so you're already sitting high, huh? Already. I said, never again.

Listen to some music. Listen to that music. Everybody, I was at that height. See, when I was in Baltimore, Mystical, I remember when Mystical came out. Oh, yeah, you hot,

them dogs. Danger. Yeah, you hot, them. Here I go. Yeah. Here I go. Yeah, you were hot. You were hot.

Man. And then Ray coming out out there any dogs in the house I said man y'all on this one oh y'all in the back they over there I couldn't do it Ocho that's crazy man I wish that's somebody I know I'm going off topic a little bit based on the question that was asked or I already answered though

Ray Lewis Ray Lewisorenzo neal denzel washington and deon sanders yeah i don't know and i wish people would have had the opportunity to talk to these individuals let's see if you have an issue in life you know and if if they was therapists the way they can command the air when they talk man man, it's something. They should have been preachers. They should have been preachers. Lorenzo Neal, man, I haven't seen Zoe in so long. Zoe, if you see this, man, I love you.

And Ray, you know, Ray and I, this is a funny thing. Ray and I, we read a scripture every morning for a decade straight, every Sunday. Every Sunday. And the funny thing about it is when we play the Ravens, we would read a scripture together at 10 o'clock. And then we'd meet up at the 50 before the game.

And then we'd go on the field and he'd be knocking, he'd be, oh, man, I'm like, Ray, it's me, baby. It was so funny, man. That's some of the stuff. But the question you asked earlier

about what you miss about the game, that's what I miss, man. The competing, the friendships and the relationships that I built throughout the you miss about the game, that's what I miss, man. The competing, the friendships and the relationships that I built throughout the years. And I really miss that. I really, really do, man.

Truly do, man. Damn, I miss them boys. No place underscore like underscore homes donated $20. Ocho, don't embellish. Did Toby... Wee-gee-wee?

Is that the guy that wrote... No, Toby Wig-Way. Toby Wig-Way. Wig-Way, okay. we, is that the guy that wrote? No, Toby, Toby, Toby, we wait, Toby, we wait. Okay. Did he write all the lyrics or did you have some input speaking about excessive celebration with Toby? You didn't do nothing. No, no, he wrote my lyrics. He wrote, he wrote my lyrics, but it was perfect for me based on who I was.

So the lyrics are perfect. So I came with my own lyrics. But the NFL wouldn't, they wouldn't clear it. Because when I rap, I like to curse. So we had to get clearance from the NFL because this was,

yeah, this is a Super Bowl commercial. It's a Super Bowl commercial. So, you know, they ain't playing about that. Oh, no. They ain't playing about that. Absolutely not. Yeah, I went with Toby Lyric

because that is his profession. He's really good at what he does. Toby, I appreciate you. I know you're going to see this. I love you. But I was just grateful. I was grateful for the opportunity to work with one of the best artists in the game today. And it was dope.

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Sweet Home Alabama. Free Bird. Simple Man. Boy. Oh, I thought you were talking about the wrestler, the Free Bird. No, Free Bird, the song. Terry Gordy.

No, if I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? No, Free Bird. Leonard Skinner, Free Bird. But I love me some Skinner. Tomorrow, would you still remember me? No, Free Bird, Leonard Skinner, Free Bird. But I love me some Skinner. I thought he was about to ask us a question about Megan Thee Stallion. I was like, I don't know her like that. I mean.

Yeah, I don't know Meg either. I don't know me. I know she can rap. She's stacked up. She are? She's stacked up like Dirty Laundry in the dorm room. She is? What? I mean, I don't really listen to rap like that. Out of the swamp raised possum. So you don't dorm room. She is? What? I mean, I don't, man, you know, I don't really listen

to rap like that. Out of the swamp raised possum. See, you don't know nobody else. They get the most swamp raised possum,

they bad Ocho. Yeah. Now you get them with some good old white potatoes or some yam potatoes and you bake that, you put that joke

in the oven? Yes, sir. No. So, I have a question. Would you have any interest in dating Megan Thee Stallion

since she's stacked up like a possum? No. What you just said? A swamp raised possum? No, I'm good. No. What did you just say? A swamp-raised possum. Oh, a swamp-raised possum. Yeah, yeah. They got it.

I can hook that up because Megan's going to see this. No, you can't hook that up. No, no, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Well, make up your mind now.

You can't give someone credit based on being stacked up and then say you don't want to. Can I give people their flowers, Ocho? Okay. Well, why you don't want to. Can I give people their flowers, Ocho? Okay. Well, why you don't want to give Dak his flowers? I don't understand. Why you giving flowers? Did I not give Dak flowers last night, Ocho? Okay, you did.

You did. I'm going to let you slap. Okay, Danny donated $10. What's up, Danny? No, it's not much, but I love you, Chad. It's my B-Day and you have a voice of but I love you, Chad. It's my B-Day and you have a voice of an angel. Yeah, yeah. My B-Lucifer?

My B-Lucifer? I appreciate you, Danny. Happy birthday. I'm going to sing Danny, happy birthday. Oh, Lord have mercy. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Happy birthday to you.

Yeah. Happy birthday to my motherfucking dog, my dude, Danny. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Your thing sounds good.

I know it, too. You hit it. You hit it. You hit it. Sound good, huh? Yeah, yeah. I stayed in range. Normally, when I go out of range,

then I sound crazy because I ain't had no peppermint tea. Yeah, I got to bring it down. Yeah, yeah. Bring it down or range. Yeah, you did. Normally, when I go out of range, then I sound crazy because I ain't had no peppermint tea. Yeah, I got to bring it down. Bring it down or not, yeah. Hey, salute you, Danny. Appreciate that $10, homie. Basically, stay in your talking, boys. I do.

I do. You're exactly right. Until I get some vote. My vocal coach, my vocal coach, she moved to goddamn Netherlands. Oh, check this out. Jerry Lee donated $50 and asked, Uncle Ocho, much

love here from the Asian community in Central Valley, California. I need to know, does Chad Ocho Cinco get more numbers than with you, number seven, let's get 350? Than you. Does Ocho Cinco...

Oh, okay. Does Chad Ocho Cinco... Oh, okay. Does Chad Ocho Cinco get more numbers, which means does he have better numbers, more touchdowns with me, with you than with me? No. Yes. Oh, Lord have mercy.

Yes. You believe that? Yeah. I really don't understand the question. He's saying, do you believe that he's asking,

basically asking you, do you believe John Elway would have had better numbers with you than with me? Well, if John Elway had me,

then the numbers that I have right now would probably be double what they are. Your numbers? Yeah. Yeah.

You put me in that offense. You put me in that offense, boy. I would have been crazy. No, you ad-libbed too much. No, you ad-libbed too much. I don't ad-lib. I can't ad-lib. I did not.

How you going to tell me I ad-libbed? Because I saw. You did. No, you didn't. I don't ad-lib. I don't ad-lib unless it's a song playing. I call Carson right now. No, you didn't. I don't ad-lib. I don't ad-lib unless it's a song playing. I call Carson right now.

No, you don't need to call Carson right now. Carson lied too. You think John Elway going to say something against me? Huh? No, but you know, you can't ad-lib

in a time and offense though. Check this out. Uncourtney J. asked, top five movies and TV shows guaranteed you'll see in the black household. Friday, number one. Friday. Friday, number one? Friday. I was going to go

Harlem Nights. Harlem Nights, Life, or Coming to America. That's three. Harlem Nights, Life, Coming to America, Friday. Yeah, Friday. Who will be number five Training day

No Yeah That's too recent I'm talking about like Black coat Like Friday And life Those are

I like The Wash With Snoop Dogg And Dr. Dre Okay Penitentiary was a little bit Before your time I like penitentiary I like dead

I like dead presidents Dead presidents That'sree. I like Dead Presidents. Dead Presidents. That's a good one. No, Boys in the Hood. Boys, for sure. Anytime Boys in the Hood. Menace to Society. Menace to Society.

You said Dead Presidents. You said Dead Presidents already, right? Dead Presidents. Black TV shows. Martin. Martin. In Living Color. Jamie Foxx.

In Living Color. Good Times. Sanford and Son. Living Single. Yeah. Oh, Living Single. That Foxx. In Living Color. Good Times. Good Times. Sanford and Son. Living Single. Yeah. Oh, Living Single. That's a good one.

That's a good one. Oh, that's a good one. But you know Cosby Show. Cosby Show. Classic. What he got going on notwithstanding. Right. You can't deny the man genius when it comes to that.

I got a question for the chat. Y'all might be too young for this, but I know you're going to remember. Please tell me you remember the episode of The Cosby Show when the opera singer Blasido Domingo was on and he sang Bese Me Mucho. You probably don't remember, huh?

You remember that episode? I don't. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. Oh, one of the greatest episodes outside of the one where Lil Rudy sang the song on the stairs when they had the, baby. I forgot the name of the greatest episodes outside of the one where Lil Rudy sang the song on the stairs when they had the baby.

I forgot the name of the song that they sang. The whole family performed on the stairs. That was classic. Copy show was a really, really good TV series. Really good TV series. Rudy Huxville grew up to be some type of woman for herself. Yeah, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Real Deal, man. Rudy Real Deal.

Okay, now. Hey, don't let Real, hey, don't mess this up, Real, you can't be on the show with Oak no more. Come on, now, I'm just saying, based on what you... I'm just saying, hey, you just let me talk, because I don't want Real to cancel us. Real, Real, Real hold a lot of power. Real, we ain't mean no harm. We just,

you know, we just chewing the fat. It's just two homies just carrying on. We just shooting the shit. No, no, no, no ill intent. Rodney Dink is my homeboy. In my opinion, I always felt like you could have played the NBA or triple jump in the Olympic. What do you think? I wanted to be muscles.

I wanted to have too much muscles. I couldn't. I got too big. I got too big. But I was a triple jumper, you know, through the desk, long jump, ran on the relay team, averaged 30 my senior year before the three-point shot. Oh, you averaged 30? 52 and three-quarter.

Still got the record. Well, who you was playing with? 52 and 52. That what you tell me? Who you was playing with? I need to see the competition. What you was up with? Ocho. You were 1A? When it come me? Who you was playing with. I need to see the competition. What you was at? Ocho.

You were 1A? When it come to me, there was no competition. I just want you to check this out, Ocho. You were 1A? Georgia. Let me explain to you in Georgia. Let me tell you the guys that came out of Class A. Myself, Herschel Walker, George Rogers, Champ Bailey, Garrison Hurst,

Sterling Sharp. Talk to me then All those guys Double A, what you call it, was one class up I think was Tekeo Spikes The only guys Now this last crop that's come out Cam was like upper class Like 4-4, 5-8

Alvin Kamara But early on, most of the guys came out of single-A football. But I need to see. I need to see this 52 you're talking about. I need to see the level of competition you was playing against. There was no competition, Ocho. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Okay, so the competition was bad. I was in a class by myself. Do you understand that? Okay, I got you. I shouldn't have been in. It was just like Herschel. Herschel had 3,100 yards and 45 touchdowns his senior year. And people say, you see

how he looked as a freshman? So imagine that as a freshman, rushed for 1,600 yards. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Look at George Rogers, one of the highest mid-trump. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Look at Garrison Hurst. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Champ. Champ went

to a Class A high school. All that athleticism, he went to Charlton County. We played, well, I'm way older than Champ, but we played them. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. I like it. I like it. Ocho, how would you better? I'm just saying that 52, boy, that's, I gotta check.

I gotta check. I gotta see that. Ocho, check this out. Let's play one-on-one. Ocho, I played, once I got to see that. Ocho, check this out. Let's play one-on-one. Ocho, I played, once I got drafted, I played one more year after I got drafted. I went to my hometown. I say, this is going to be my last time ever playing on this court. I said, I'm not losing.

I say, y'all put me with any five and I'm not losing. I walked out the court undefeated. Never played again. And that was it. I didn't want to run the risk. I didn't want to run the risk of tearing the ACL.

Man, Ocho, I didn't do anything that could jeopardize football. I'm talking about right now. Play me since you're so good in basketball. Play me one-on-one. Ocho, I haven't shot a basketball in 32 years.

I ain't rode a bike in 40 years and I can still get on a ride. Riding a bike? Oh, Lord have mercy. It's called muscle memory. Either you got it or you don't. I got too much. Are you that boy that you just told me

that dropped 52 back then? So now all of a sudden, nah. Oh, you ain't done it in so long you can't do it. If you a shooter, you can shoot. Oh, Joe. Are you Steph Curry or not? No.

Are you Steph Curry or not? I ain't Chef Boyardee now, let alone Chef Steph. If you got it, one thing about us, black don't crack and we don't lose it. We just lose opportunities. So either you gonna get on this court and play me one-on-one

or you scared of me? So now you want to be the man with two repaired hips, huh? So, oh, now you making excuses? Are you going to get on this court and play me one-on-one or are you scared of me? So now you want to be the man with two repaired hips, huh? Oh, now you're making excuses? Are you making excuses? I don't care if you're in a wheelchair. When we get on that court,

I'm going to dunk on your ass. Yo, Ocho, you ain't dunking nothing but donuts. That too. Okay. Damn Chaos said, donated $20 as gents. Top five martial arts actors of all time,

dead or alive. What Bruce Lee number one? Bruce Lee number one. Chuck Nars. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Chuck Nars. Over Van Damme? I'm going to go with him.

He didn't say give him no particular order. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Go ahead. Oh, Chuck Nars, Van Damme, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan. I was waiting on that one. And there's one more.

What's the one with Jet Li? Michael J. White. Michael J. White. He is in the martial arts. What's the other guy from Jet Li, the movie Jet Li? I don't know. Jet Li.

That's him. That's his name? Yeah, Jet Li. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, Jet Li. Yeah. Trying to think. Michael Angelo. Jose Jalapeno on a stick donated $10 and said,

hey, Ocho, I've been trying to challenge Ocho on Xbox to a game of FIFA, but he's been ducking me. So I figured this is the best way to contact him. Love you guys. Please don't stop making this show. So Jose Jalapeno on a stick said you've been ducking him. He said he want that smoke on FIFA. Well, technically, I know Jose on a smoke Jalapeno on a stick, say you been ducking him. He say he want that smoke on FIFA. Well, technically,

how I know Jose on a smoke jalapeno ain't really serious about no goddamn FIFA. It ain't even called motherfucking FIFA no more. It's called EAFC. So that let me know he's sorry as hell. He say he want to beat you on whatever it's called. FIFA, whatever you call it. He going to lose to me.

He going to lose to me because he even saying the title right. He know how to find me. Anybody in the gaming world knows my game of tagging. They know how to find me. I ain't hard to find. You scared? Child, please. You scared?

I ain't hard to find. You scared? I mean, I find you. I know you. Even if I'm scared, I ain't hard to find. All you got to do is pull up. What you running from? What did you want to talk about, Ocho? Same reason you don't want to play me one-on-one?

Ocho. Same reason. I don't care about your surgeries. I don't care about your hip. Play me one-on-one. I don't want to hear none of all them excuses. The last time I shot a basketball, I weighed about 212 pounds. I'm about 247, and I'm a lot more muscle-bound now than I was then.

What does muscle have to do? Dwight Howard muscle bound too. He ain't made no excuses. He can't shoot with a lick. Well, you better go to the hoop. You better go to the hoop and try to lay it up. Go to the hoop and try to lay it up. Ocho. Ocho. See, I just, hey, all I'm gonna do is dribble just like this here.

That's fine. That's fine. I'm coming up right up under there and I'm stealing the ball. Next. Oh, Lord. Next. Ocho, Ocho, you can't play no basketball. You didn't play basketball in high school.

Yo, did you not listen to me when I told you multiple shows ago the NBA players come to train with me to help with their off-the-ball movement

and come, what? And come off the dribble. All I know on the all area team if you go back and look at 19 what was that 85 or 86 i know two players made the team shannon sharp and purpose ellison i ain't heard of him i'm talking about 20 20 23 i want to play one-on-one at it i i come to la i come to la get your camera crew so we can have some footage.

Nightcap. I tell you what, I play you in the basketball, you come in the gym and work out with me. We're going to put some weight on there. I'm boxing right now. I cannot lift any weights. That ain't got to do with it. Look at Holyfield. Holyfield lifted.

Mm-hmm. Holyfield lifted. Please understand, I cannot lift weights. I can only do Mm-hmm. Holyfield lifted. Please understand. I cannot lift weights. I can only do band work right now and light work. The inability to do something. Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson has the ability. I cannot lift

heavy weight right now because I have a fight coming up. That ain't got nothing to do with me. I cannot shoot light basketballs right now. You understand? I'm training for somethings right now you understand I'm training for something yes you can okay what you training for

are you training for Mr. Olympia I'm training I'm training to put these little pythons around your neck I'm about to put a Draymond on you first thing I see I put that Draymond on you

you see that right there nah ain't gonna happen ain't going to have him. Go to sleep. I ain't going to have him. Go to sleep. Beat you down. Beat your old man down, too.

Yeah. Ben Steeler donated $50 and asked, if you guys switched positions in your career, who would have excelled in a new position? Also, when are you bringing Laporte down here to Canada? Hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving. First of all, see, I played wide receiver at least

for two months. He ain't never played tight end. What you mean? I played running back. I played running back. We are tight end in the NFL. Well, I ain't built to be no tight end, so it's a hypothetical question that just really don't make no sense.

But honestly, I'm just the better player all around. So regardless of what position I would play, obviously it would be me. No. Common sense tell you that. No, common sense. Yeah.

Imagine if I play a tight end. Man, give me three. Better than throw your little ass all over the place. You on the way up, buck 50. No, no, no, no. I got obviously, hypothetically speaking, I would be 228.

228 with these feet? Shit. You ain't going to have no feet at 228. I promise you that. You ain't going to have no feet at 228. No, you're not. You might have better feet than what I had, but you ain't have the feet that you got

that you had when you played not in that way yeah you right you right you right you right you right but you gonna come

work out with me yeah yeah but I can't I can't I can't lift too high you can't when is the boxing exhibition

February okay once the was that over with yeah we're gonna put some weight on you once it's over with matter of fact I over with Matter of fact I can show

Matter of fact When y'all edit When we talk about edit The people can find the pictures While I was about 205 And I They online I was huge

I was about 205 I was huge I was about your size And you never benched 225 You can't bench 225 Couldn't There's footage On Twitter and Instagram

Of me benching 315 no sir this is when I was big I'm serious it might have been 2018 I looked like a fucking tight end I was huge you didn't somebody gonna pull it somebody gonna pull it I was huge

any more questions what you want to talk about Ocho we got like five more minutes to go I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I'm feeling good today too I've been talking

I've been talking like crazy you got really I mean you there you got really oh pro football focus at Alan Lazar drop percentage

on target passes at 20% the next worst is Van Jefferson at 18%. Was Van Jefferson ever a healthy scratch? No. Oh, yeah. Remember they went out

and got Odell with Van Jefferson there. Puka, Nakua is playing in front of him. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, he was in a healthy scratch. Nah, I ain't in a healthy scratch.

Ocho, look, see, what you're doing is that you're shooting the harbinger, which is the messenger, which is me. No, no, no, no, but your message is wrong. You got the right message, but the wrong message, because what you're saying is not the reason why he was in a healthy scratch. You ain't saying, oh, he was in a healthy scratch, because, oh, he dropped balls. That don't even make no goddamn sense. Why you beat up the mailman

for delivering the bills? You're the one that got them people ish. No, no, no. You beat me up because all I did was do my job. You are because you're saying he's a healthy scratch for the wrong reason. That's not the reason. I'm just telling you what was reported. So you believe everything you read was reported but so you you

believe everything you read do you believe everything you read so let me ask you do you believe everything you read why did so why wasn't he why wasn't he in uniform and he's that's why that's the first thing i said it probably something internal that we don't know about and goddamn whoever reported it just motherfucking guessing oh this is the reason when that ain't even the goddamn reason and we running with it when I know that's probably not it I guarantee that because I ain't never heard of a healthy scratch oh you know what

he dropping too many balls let's pitch him what? the internal issue that he hadn't played well that's not it that's not it oh hold on Robert Sala, when asked why Alan Lazard was a healthy scratch,

he know his play is not up to standard. Robert Sala, Josina Anderson just reported, Robert Sala on why Alan Lazard was a healthy scratch. He knows his play is not his standard. Well, if that's the goddamn case, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no.

No, no, no. If Robert Salah, let me finish. Let me finish. I'm going to let you go. If Robert Salah said Alan Lazar's play is not up to standard so he was a healthy scratch,

they should have forfeited the whole fucking game because the whole offense ain't been up to standard since the season started. They should just forfeited the whole fucking game because the whole offense ain't been up to standard since the season started. They should just forfeited the game. Ain't nobody offensively done done shit,

so they should have forfeited the goddamn game and started playing the Dolphins. I'm just saying, if that's the excuse you want to lead with, if that's the excuse Robert Sala want to give

the motherfucking media, that's some bullshit. Bitch air goddamn body. I'm taking a bath by this. Oh, my God. I'm just saying, if that's what he want to say, if that's what he want to say, his play isn't up to standards. Well, neither is the other motherfucking 10 on the goddamn field. Bitch everybody.

Wow. Scapegoat. I think you owe, first of all, I think you owe me an apology. You owe me an apology. I love you. I love you. But first of all, I think you owe me an apology. You owe me an apology. I love you. I love you. But I'm just,

I'm speaking my feelings. I'm speaking my feelings on that bullshit excuse Coach just used. Alan Lazard is a goddamn scapegoat because shit ain't going well. You know what? I got to find a way to get the heat off him.

I got to find a way to put the heat on somebody. Oh, you know who we're going to pick on? No. We're going to pick on motherfucking Alan Lazard. You told me, you made me come out here

and give Jalen Hurts and give Dak Prescott an apology. I want my apology. What am I apologizing for? No, no, you apologize because you called me a liar. You say you big, bald-headed, black liar. Now, I want an apology. And I know the people in the chat. People, let's get a thing.

Do y'all want Chad to give me an apology? I think the people in the chat People Let's get a thing Do y'all Do y'all want Chad To give me an apology I think the people in the chat Because he's been very up to dope The people in the chat They better be on my side And see And see the bullshit

That they doing over there in New York Ain't no bull jive Ain't no bull jive Ain't no bull jive Oh that's bull jive Oh His play hasn't been a standard Well who motherfucking play has

Who play over there has In week 10 Name me somebody Who play in New York? In week 10, name me somebody who played in New York and played as been up to standard. Ocho, what you just told me

when I said you got to have a belief, you said it's your job to do your job. Why are you worried about what somebody else is doing other than Alan Lazard?

Let's talk about him. I'm just going by what you said. You said it. Well, based on what the coach said, the coach said Alan Lazard play

wasn't up to par. That's why it was a healthy scratch. And then my next bit was, well, who the fuck play has been up to par? I'm talking about him. Okay. This is a team game. It's a team game, ain't it? It's a team game.

I'm just waiting on my apology. Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you. That's all you on my apology. Okay, I'm sorry. Thank you. That's all you had to do. But still, boy, boy, Robert Sala, I think he's slick, boy.

It wasn't an apology. I didn't ask. Don't try to put that on my dog. Don't try to put that on my dog. Oh, here's playing off the ball. Well, God damn it, who's playing the husband of the park? Yes, and the fans say,

you supposed to have apologized, but he did, and I the park. Yes. And the fans say, you supposed to have apologized, but he did. And I appreciate that. Child. I don't try to please. I try to take Ocho. Listen, I see the little game. I see the games they playing

over there in New York. I read through all the little bullshit. I see what they trying to do. I see what they trying to do. If I tell you... I see what they trying to do. If I tell you Duck smokes cigarettes, trying to do. If I tell you duck smoke cigarettes

check his wing. He got a pack up under there. So when I tell you so believe it. I know you are you how do you not see what they trying to do?

How do you not see what they trying to do? I see what you trying to do. How do you not see what they trying to do? I see what you trying to do. We got the finest scapegoat. You know what?

Let's play. Let's put it on Alan Lazard. The Ocho O'Uncle apology. 75%. Hey, let's put it on Alan Lazard. You know, get somebody to heat off the head coach. Get somebody to heat off Zach Wilson. Get somebody to heat off Boyle.

Guess what? Listen, stay with me now. Guess what's going to be the headline? Oh, Alan Lazard benched because he was a healthy scratch. That's all they're going to talk about. Yeah. Watch. Gary, that's That's all they gonna talk about. Yeah watch I Gary. That's all they gonna talk about Yeah, I'm a Paul that somebody would say that They think they slick over there New York trying to put that's not a think they said man Desmond Bynum

Donated ten dollars and say help Savannah in the house. Appreciate that. There's There's walk find them which state produces the best NFL players, Georgia or Florida? Florida. Florida. That's close. It's close. It's close. It's close.

Y'all got it. Florida. Y'all got it. Okay. Okay. Because you talking about it's close. I mean, y'all got some talent come out of there. Now, no disrespect.

We all got some dogs now. But Florida? Boy, it's something in the water, boy. It is. It's something in the water at Georgia. That's why them Bulldogs kicking. What y'all Florida schools doing now? Huh?

What the Florida schools doing? Them Georgia Bulldogs. That wasn't the question. The question was asked. Okay, yeah. Stay on topic. But, you know, hey, look. I mean, you know, Georgia, Florida, Texas, California, then probably Ohio.

Something like that. Yeah. But we in the top five for sure. Yeah, most definitely. You messed up y'all top five. You didn't mention Texas, did you? Texas got the boys tonight. Georgia, Florida, Texas, Cali, Ohio.

Louisiana is up there too. The Boots. The Boots got them too now. But it's the southern states where it's warm down there year round. We get out there barefoot in no shirt. We run around on the dirt road or that black ass fault.

We get used to that. We get used to that. Ocho, 75% say you owe me an apology. But God damn, I didn't apologize already. Did y'all like Ocho, 75% say you owe me an apology. But God damn, I didn't apologize already. I didn't say, did y'all like Ocho apology? Do y'all think he's bitchy? I ain't got nothing to do with that now. I didn't apologize already.

No. No. An apology is a... Right. So I just want you to know, the best apology is change behavior. So don't you question us What do we got here We have another question to ask

Oh shit Ain't that funny Yeah New York media I know y'all gonna see this Y'all ain't slick I ain't gonna let you pull The wool over my eyes you can pull it over everybody else. Since most top 50 NFL draft picks by home state since 2019. Texas is number one, 35, right? Florida is number two at 29.

Georgia is number three at 26. California is number four at 19. And Louisiana is number five at 14. I love how we capped it off at 26. California is number four at 19. And Louisiana is number five at 14. I love how we capped it off at 2019. I mean... No, I'm saying we... What? When do you want to go back?

To 1950? Nah, go to 2000. 2009. I love that. Man, ain't nobody got all... Man, we have to go... Yeah, you see what it is. Man, we have to go. Yeah, you see what it is.

It's only three. And so it's close. You tried to make it seem like y'all have 50 and we got 10. It's close. I told you. I said it's close. Okay. All right.

But I'm not surprised by Texas, given how big Texas is. Texas is huge. Right. Good high school football. Good high school football down there. Texas probably got more people than Georgia and Florida combined. So I'm not surprised. Right. But I'm surprised that California,

because California got 40 million people. It's got more people than anybody in the state. So I'm surprised that they don't have more. Aren't you? Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. When I think about California, for some reason, all the linemen and the quarterbacks come from California.

They do. All the linemen and the quarterbacks come from California. We have skill position here and there, but more so from the South, all the skill position players come from. In every blue moon, you sprinkle a nice legit one. Yeah, because you get CJ Sproul, he's from California. You get Bryce Young, he, legit one. Yeah, because you get CJ Stroud. He's from California.

You get Bryce Young. He's from California. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's always been like that. Yeah. And, well, what do you call him? He's not, I think, Caleb Williams.

I think he's from D.C. Okay. DMV area. He is? That's what I think he's from. Yeah, I think so. He's not from California. He just went to, well, he went to Oklahoma first

and then transferred with the coach out there. Guys, thank you for tuning in for our special episode of Nightcap. Even though it's Daycap. Make sure you click that subscribe button. Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you got to get us to 350 by Monday. Where are we at? Are we at 335?

Let's go. 350. We're nine. We're nine. We're eight subs away from $335,000, Ocho. Eight subs away. So we're going to be. And we got Sunday, Monday. We got two shows.

So we got Saturday. So we got to average about $15,000. We got to average about $15,000, about $5,000 a day in order to get that number. It's going to be very, very special because our end goal is obviously to get a million subs. We got to get a million. That's our goal. Yeah. And then, you know, two more

questions. In fact, did you hear from the daughter yet? About what? What you mean by what? I don't talk. What you call him? Say, hey, it's McClendon.

Donated $10. I want to give you an Ocho Mushroom Bank for putting in work. My question for both of you is, with DBs, okay, what DBs gave y'all fits in your day playing? Well, the guy, I think, that made me come to Blair, I am, is Albert Lewis. Long, 6'2", he was 6'2", could play inside, could play outside, came from Grambling State, feathery. He constantly gave me a different look.

He made me. He forced me to become what I became because I knew if I could beat him, I could beat anybody. And so he had the most impact that says, okay, in order for you to be what you think you can be, you have to consistently beat him. And I knew I was legit when he was in Kansas City and the Raiders signed him. He was their number one free agent because I was cooking the Raiders. They had nothing.

Nobody could do anything with me. T-Mac, Eddie Anderson, none of them. Washington, none of them. They couldn't see me. I cooked them all. So they went and got Albert. He slowed me down, but he didn't stop me. He slowed me down, but he ain't stopped me. Stopped me.

He slowed me down, but he ain't stopped me. Which, Michael asked, better safety, Steve Atwater, Troy Palomaro, Ronnie Lott.

They're all different. Different. Because you do realize, Ronnie came in as a corner. Mm-hmm. Ronnie was an all-pro at corner. Yeah. So people don't realize that.

He moved to safety. Mm-hmm. He was, they were, they were, they were different. Atwater was a true strong safety.

Strong safety. Like Brian Dawkins. Like B-Dawg. Like B-Dawg. And although Troy, they did, Troy was so skilled. He lined up everywhere.

Everywhere. He'd be at the line of scrimmage. Scrimmage. And he's supposed to be in the holeage and he's supposed to be in the hole or he's supposed to be in the 2D. I'm like, bro, why? I mean,

my last year was his rookie year because he and Ed, if I'm not mistaken, came out the same year. No, Ed came out my last year. Troy came out. Did they both come out in 03? I think I played against Ed one year. I think I played against Troy one year too. It might have been

did one come out in 02 and one other came out in 03? Or both came out in 03? Both came out in 03? Troy came out in 03. Ed came out in what? 02? I think Ed

came out in 02. Because Ed, I didn't play with Ed. I left Baltimore after the 01 season. Right. And I think, so what year did Ed come out?

02. Ed came out in 02. But for me, the best safety that I ever broke down, that I ever played against, that I ever saw was Ed Reed. Yeah. For me, for me it the best safety that I ever broke down, that I ever played against, that I ever saw was Ed Reed. Yeah.

For me, for me, it was Ed and Troy. Ed and Troy. Unbelievable. And the fact of the matter was they did things, I call it exotic coverages.

They did things that were very confusing that no other team could do because of the way the defense was constructed. There was no weakness. There was no weakness in the secondary.

There was no weakness at the front line. And they did some of the craziest stuff. was constructed. There was no weakness. There was no weakness in the secondary. There was no weakness at the front line. And they did some of the craziest stuff. Just like you mentioned, Troy, we don't know what the damn coverage is because everybody at the goddamn line of scrimmage, everybody.

And as soon as the ball snap, everybody run into where they supposed to be. And you, you got to hold the ball because you don't know what's going on. And previously somebody asked a question about what DBb gave the most fits and for me it really wasn't a db in itself outside of what outside of what revis did but early in my career the good the good battles where i had i had to i had to you know tie my shoes tight ike taylor lee bodden um who else man who else is chris mccallister Mike Taylor, Lee Barden. Who else, man? Who else?

Chris McAllister used to choke you out. Chris McAllister. Like, you got to be on your A game. I had to be on my A game every time. I mean, those are some that I can remember. Those battles were really, really good. They were really, really good with them. It was back and forth, back and forth with them boys.

The thing for me, Ocho, is that when we played physical corners corners was not getting to a physical battle with them no no no because now I'm gonna lose that every time right but see me I wasn't gonna lose it but then I get I forget trying to go out supposed to be out trying to catch a pass instead of just beat the hell up out the DB and a lot of times like we play James Hastie and Hastie I know you're gonna see this him bro I just be like I, sometimes I would just go out there and be like, hey, I don't even want to catch the pass. I just want to go out there and fight it. I just want to go out there and try to run,

slap over the top of it. I don't want to throw, don't even throw me, don't even throw the ball my way. Don't even look at me. Because I ain't even looking to get over it. I'm just looking to run right over it. I'm just going to run. And when he don't move,

I'm going to put my helmet right up on his chin. Right. Oh, James. DC, even though we homeboys, it was just something about like, okay, I know he wasn't going to be dirty with me, and I wasn't going to be dirty with him, but

bro, Kansas City is just like, bro, you in Kansas City. So I know we homeboys. I'm going to throw that headshot in the window for the day. I ain't going to cut you. I ain't going to cheap shot you, but you know you're going get this work though oh yeah and if i get a chance to crack back i'm gonna try to deplete you gotta get him out of down i gotta get i told you i gotta get it um but they were so different troy probably was the most Yeah, most definitely. Ronnie probably had the most impact.

But see, the thing is that when they played back then, Ronnie would have been suspended. You can't hit people like Ronnie was hitting people like Ed Warden was hitting people. Ed, man, they would have been out of the league, suspended. They would have been out of the league. You see Kareem Jackson. You see how Kareem Jackson is about to miss six games.

Again? That's the way Ronnie Locke. Yes. Oh, let's talk about Ocho. They suspended him for hitting Joshua Dobbs. It was a third and one, and they ran a quarterback power. Kareem Jackson comes, and he'll send me this chance with his help. I saw it.

I saw it. Ocho, you're not afforded the same protection as a runner, as a receiver, as a quarterback in the pocket. He's a runner. It's 31. You no longer get those protections. So what do you do? What do you do? On 31, I'm not

going to let you fall forward. And he's like, if I hit him in his legs, he's going to fall for the first down. He's like, I'm going to hit him in his mouth. So as a defender, what do you do? Because they've handicapped the game to a point where it makes no sense. You just can't do anything. You can't. And my pushback is, as a runner, you're not afforded the protection as a receiver in the air

or a quarterback that's in the pocket you don't you are a runner right so what am i so how am i supposed especially ultra we coming this way it's 31 if i tackle you at the legs what you're gonna do you're gonna fall for the first down for the first down i'm trying to hit you up top to keep you that's why like guys tackling the guy around the uh around the legs on the one yard line. Right. He gonna fall in the end zone. For a touchdown.

Exactly. So, I'm gonna try to keep him getting that first down. I will hit you in your mouth and you a runner. Yeah. Duck.

The advice I got for a quarterback, when you see a safety like Kareem Jackson come barreling down, duck. Yeah. Makes no sense.

You don't want to get hit slide. I don't know what to. Yeah. Makes no sense. You don't want to get hit slide. I don't know what to tell you. Makes no sense. Not in that situation. Not in that situation. No, he's a runner. He's not afforded protections of a defenseless receiver.

He's not afforded the protection of a quarterback that's in the pocket. He's running the football. He's a running back. You would have never, the question is, would you ever call that play if it's a running back. You would have never, the question is, would you ever call that play

if it was a running back? No, because that's what Joshua Dobbs is. The moment that he has, it's like a power, quarterback power, and he tucks that ball in his arm. He's a runner. He's a runner. He's a runner.

And me too, I'm a runner too, and I'm trying to run through his ass. Paul, but I've tried to hit it. That's what. And me too. I'm a runner too and I'm trying to run through his ass. Paul, but I'm trying to hit it. That's what I... Oh, he coming, I'm trying to hit him dead in his mouth. You're not going to get this first down. It's going to be fourth down. Y'all got to go for it on fourth. But I'm going to hit you dead in your chest

as hard as I can. You're going to get fined. You're going to get suspended too. Oh, sure. Because what you're telling me, if you're a quarterback, if you're a coach, suspended too. Ocho, because what you're telling me, if your quarterback, if you're a coach, don't care any more than to have you run it, if he's not protecting you, why should I? Should I, exactly.

What did Tom Brady say? It's not the defensive player's job to protect the offensive player. Offensive players, yeah. So, if that's what you think of you... What the NFL is doing is the NFL is now putting the defensive players in harm's way

because now you're going to start trying to tackle in a way that you can't tackle, a way that you haven't been able to play all your life and start trying to do something you're not supposed to do and you're going to hurt yourself.

And you remember, Ocho, when they started by the heads and guys started hitting guys in the knees and tearing the ACLs. Yeah, tearing the ACLs. You can't win. You can't win for losing. You can't tearing the ACLs. You can't win. You can't win for losing.

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