Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Draft Recap - Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Prank Called + Abdul Carter Responds to Unc & Ocho

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders being prank called during the 2025 NFL Draft and New York Giants DE Abdul Carter responding to Unc & Ocho's comments about Lawrence Taylor rejecting Carter's ask to unretire his number.01:41 - Who was behind Shedeur Sanders’ draft day prank call22:19 - Abdul Carter responds to No. 11(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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call. Jeff Oberik was unaware of the data exposure and any facet of the prank and was made aware of the above only after the fact. Atlanta Falcons do not condone this behavior and send our sincere apologies to Chedur Sanders and his family who we've been in contact with to apologize to as well as facilitate an apology directly from Jack to the Sanders family. We have also been in contact with the NFL and will continue to cooperate fully with any inquiries we may receive from the NFL League office. We are thoroughly reviewing all protocols and updating if necessary to help prevent

an incident like this from happening again. Falcons. Falcons. Jack posted an apology, On Friday night I made a tremendous mistake. Shadoor what I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing and shameful. I'm so sorry I took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting I took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life and I made a terrible mistake

And I mess with that moment. Thank you for accepting my call earlier today I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me at your door Sanders Oh Joe Is this part is this apology enough or should the Falcons punish? Well, I don't know who I don't know how they can punish the Sun. They might put it today Is this apology enough or should the Falcons punish? I don't know how they can punish the son, they might punish the dad. Did they get Dr. Drabby? If you weren't to punish the Falcons, how do you punish them?

And should they be punished first? And if you are going to punish them, what should the punishment be? I mean, listen, I say if you're going to punish him, to some extent, I would say it would have to come from the dad. Obviously, it was the son. It was the son that made the call. Obviously, dad, I'm not sure how the son got the number.

Who knows? But the punishment should come from the dad. Maybe a fine of some sort. I think draft picks could be a little bit too much because the team itself as a whole shouldn't have to suffer for what the son decided to do. Outside of that, the apology, I mean, at that point, it seems sincere, especially being that it was written from someone else and it's, no, it's a bunch of you know what.

Did he really mean it? No. The fact that he got caught is the only reason he's apologizing. Bro, how you gonna, oh no. You came and you let him record you. They're not sorry. They know what they were doing. They young.

It was a prank. We are in an era of prank. And like you say, everybody, everybody don't play the same. They play too much. Everybody, listen, they thought it was a fun moment. They thought it was a fun moment. They thought it was a funny moment. Before you go, G.P., other players also reportedly had prank calls. Tyler Warren had a prank call.

There were several other players. And you see that, like you said, Ocho, we're in that era. Everything is about a prank. Everybody want to do a pull something, want to touch somebody, dump something on their head. Everybody, like G.P., like you've been saying the whole night, everybody don't play how you play. Now, when somebody fire you up,

then well, he didn't have to do that. Well, you didn't have to do that. Leave people alone, especially people you don't have a relationship with. You going out there in some mall, you walking down the street, you don't know that person with. You going out there in some mall, you walking down the street, you don't know that person from a hill of beans.

And that's why the social media has messed us up. Yeah. About Lyas and everything about this crazy stuff. That little kid knew what he was doing because he went in his daddy's phone and got that phone number. He did that on purpose. So I hate saying punish your dad

because your dad is trusting you as my son. And I'm trusting you that you won't go do stuff. That's just like almost stealing. Don't go. That's almost like stealing. It's almost like stealing from your people. And your dad has to take the blame for what you have done That's almost like stealing. It's almost like stealing from your peoples. And your dad has to take the blame for what you have done because I can't punish you

because you not in a Atlantic or out of Hopkins organization. So I had to punish your daddy because of the situation because it hurts that person who you did it to. And these young kids today, and I tell you, this separation is different. These kids are different. They think that's funny. And they think that's something to do.

At somebody else's expense. At somebody else's expense, they think this is funny. And then when you get caught, like Chad said, that boy ain't sorry. Because if he was sorry, he would have said he did it from day one. And he would have been like, man, I did it. But he got caught.

And when he got caught, he had to say the right thing to make his daddy be okay and look a little bit better. And you look at it, here's the thing, Ocho. Jadur Sanders' phone number wasn't the only one in there, but he was the one that was having a pertipitous fall. So now, which prank is gonna generate the most buzz? Knowing Shadour is on eggshells, he's on pins and needle, waiting to have an NFL team call him and say,

hey, we're gonna select you in the fourth round, we're gonna select you in the fifth round. So check this out, he got the number from an iPad that he should have been using he waited days Because it just happened and then he made the prank call he filmed himself While making a prank call waited days to make the apology Guys I mean look you want ain't mentioned like you say. And this, at Dern Age, Ocho, everything is about clicks, like, mentioned. And the viral moment.

That's what it's all about, man. That's why, that's why I like them out there. We didn't have all that crap. No, man, they play like that. Yeah, but we didn't get out like that. See, I tell Ocho all the time. We don't get out like that. See, I tell you all the time.

I came up, I don't remember me playing no practical jokes on nobody like, boy, you better scrap it up. You can't do that, because next time we see you, we're gonna knock you out. You feel what I'm saying? It ain't gonna be about, man, okay, man, I'm gonna take this court date, man.

No, man, I'm gonna knock you smooth out. Because we ain't talking about all that, because you messing with my livelihood. About all this social media and all that crap, man. We ain't doing that. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't come up in that area. I'm glad, I'm glad. Now, look, I would have loved to have made the money

that these cats make, but, but, but, GP, I wouldn't want to be in this era. I wouldn't want to be in this era. I wouldn't want to be in the social media era. I wouldn't. Hey, I'm going to tell y'all, I don't want to be in this social media era because I should have been divorced way earlier

than what I did. No. I would have been on fire. You're stupid. I mean, I would have been, man, I would have been viral all the time. You know what I'm saying? But man, every day you walk out, man, you're going to a man is would have been man. I would be viral all the time. You know Every day you walk out man, you're going so it man is a cat man all being is looking at man man I ain't on that man. What is a light to me? I don't hear about lights man

I'm already talking Y'all saying I don't have you give me a million lights a million people already looking at so what I don't care if you give me a million likes, a million people already looking at me. So what? I don't care about all that, man. You messing up my life, man. And I'm not dealing with that, though. It's crazy to me that you can sit on the phone and watch people do what they do, and they silly.

You just told me that I ain't surprised. That boy got in that hijack. And then filmed himself doing it. Stupid as that. How you think that, and we ain't gonna figure that out? Yeah. How you think we ain't gonna get that? That's how you do it, you get caught killing people,

murdering people, whatever they doing. They, man man they go filming it go back in your phone and You got the pistol showing it and doing this and that that's how they catch you It's just silly. So that's why I tell a lot of kids that I've talked to them Just social media killing y'all man. It's hurting y'all. It's hurting y'all life, man. Because all y'all think about is lights and who gonna like you on there. That's how people get robbed and do stuff. You be up to being, talk about I'm here, I'm there.

And then all of a sudden they look in the back, oh man, he at Centennial Park. Let me ride up on him right now. Let me ride up on that. That's crazy to me, man, that you do that. That's just silly. That's just silly stuff to me. Dang. Shadoor pinned his first both on NFL X and IG accounts. If you go to both at NFL and Brown's official websites, click shop. Who's the first Cleveland Brown jersey you can pre-order? Shadoors. Many NFL fans on TikTok have pledged to purchase Shadoors jersey and merchandise exclusively from his official website rather than from the

NFL shop to support him after being drafted in the fifth round. They believe the league black ball Shadoor. Shadoor could potentially make millions of dollars from this trend and you'll probably see other players You know Ocho you got it. Hey same. I'm proud of you. Yeah, you know Ocho. You had you little cow You had the Ocho gear going And that's good Look at that. Look look both y'all. You know, it's daddy daddy gonna make that up, you know I'm saying? Cause Deion did that, man, and that's what they gonna do.

They gonna just show up, everybody, what they did to him. You know what y'all know, that boy shouldn't have got drafted in the fifth round. He should have been a hundred-four. No, Ion, I don't know how the heck you go from projected to be number nine, to 145. That's crazy, and then the teams that were supposed to draft you, pass you.

And then the team who drafted you had it at the thirty-third in the second round. And they didn't beat it. You see, it's gotta be a blackball thing. We ain't gonna never know why, what happened, or why it happened, but it happened. But to me, I just tell my little young nephew, man, go out there and kill them. And then win the job. Get out with them, man. Be one of them special ones like Marino,

like Brett Farr, man. Do that, man. They got drafted like that and then become all the famous and become one of them dudes. That's all you gotta do that man. They got drafted like that and then become all the favor and become one of the dudes. That's all you gotta do, man. So get it and then make your bread man the way you is because he popular man. Then social media got him popular. He gonna be popular no matter what. He gonna be popular.

So just do it. I think it's a blessing in disguise. Obviously going into fifth round and the pick he went is not the blessing I'm talking about. I'm just saying the situation he's going to, Flacco is just there on the one year deal. Deshaun Watson's not gonna be able to play this year. So I'm assuming the way I'm thinking

and thinking it's going to play out, I think he will be able to beat out Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel. And I think he's gonna get his shot. He gonna get his shot to play. I'm not sure if it's this year, maybe it's next year, but that's something he's gonna get his shot and I think it's gonna be magical for him and Seeing it as a blessing in the sky. It's a lie though, Joe.

And finally being- You know why? Uh-huh. Because look how much pressure they put on Brawny James. Brawny James, you'd have thought Brawny James was the first pick in the draft. The way they talk about here, oh he this and that. He was the 55th pick. They ain't got but five picks left, GP. They make it seem like they took a man. But because of that last name, you gotta understand. If his name was Shadr Jones, maybe you're right. But we know who his dad is. And we know what that aura around his dad.

But Shaddy, I can't agree with you. I gotta agree with Chad on this one. Go ahead. Because that's a little bit of different talent. My little nephew, Ronnie, wasn't really, really ready for that situation, for that athletic ability, right? He had to throw into that. You forgot. He missed the whole college. Oh, yeah. Yeah. With don't hurt. Yeah, the hard thing. You know what happened or whatever But Shakur is ready He yeah, he got the talent to do that right now And if you think that Ronnie right now Ronnie killing the G Lee

He has to get himself into that situation right do it Ronnie don't be good in two three years I don't know door is gonna be ready now But he what I was saying and I'm on a house of the names But I was just saying because of the names and the expectations Even though he's a fifth round pick and oh Joe, you know, we don't have no expectations for no fifth round pick But yeah, I would ask name is Sanders name You said we got expectations now for the 50 pick pick. It's just like Jokic.

When Jokic got drafted, if they're lying, if they told they, well, I knew Jokic was gonna be this. If you knew he was gonna be this, you took him with a number one overall pick. So you a did lie, saying you knew Nicole Jokic was gonna turn out to be what he was gonna be. Because he was a second round pick, I think he was like 40 something. It's the same thing.

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You put pressure, you say it should do it, should do it, should do it. He has a fifth round pick. You're going to bypass that and say, well, look at his last name. I thought y'all said he was all this. Rodney going 50-50. But if he all that, he should be able to do like his dad. I'm doing. I'm going to have all them picks.

Now we went back to our fourth round, five round, two, like the NFL. Then he got picked like that. And it's a little different. You only got six picks. So let it pick because the simple fact is, is the Lakers had that pick. And it wasn't for LeBron being on the Lakers and they make him that pick. He probably wouldn't have got drafted, which would have been no problem. You know what I'm saying? wouldn't have been no problem. You know what I'm saying? But we only got two racks. You know what I'm saying? They can't.

And half the Cigarod GP don't even make it. There you go. So it's a little different of what we're saying. You know what I'm saying? We don't know if he wouldn't have got drafted if the Lakers didn't have that pick. Right. You know what I'm saying? But they did pick him, which was a blessing because he is

talented. He is very, very talented and you got to give him a chance. Football players got seven rounds. They got to, they gonna do that. They gonna do that. So we happy that they do got these top rounds, but if basketball would have had five or six, seven rounds and he got drafted in the fifth or sixth round We wouldn't be expecting to be nothing. He could but hold on what you said He might not even make the team But here's the thing GP once you start getting no Joe you could yeah You don't know anything about this cuz you second round you start getting here six fifth and sixth seventh round you can't buy this

Yeah, hey, oh Joe Wait, we can't hey we need people. Hey, we just need enough to fill the wrong style It ain't no guarantee when you start getting them later rounds like that Well in the bell y'all know y'all first three rounds is almost like first round picks with us They'll basically you know what it in the in the NFL the first three rounds you can start you starting in that field You feel what I'm saying? You basically go start. Yeah, if you get paid you pick in the first three rounds You know I'm saying in basketball If you pick 55th 60 you and G Lee take they contract or whatever

Yeah, two-way really two-way your two-way. You'll be all man. We don't do your deal Yeah, and and you you a deal. Yeah. And you gotta look at Ronnie. He got a heck of a deal. He got a deal. Oh, he got a money guarantee. But he's not the first, but he's not the first second rounder

to get money guaranteed, though. No, no, no, no, no, no, they right because people believe in other things. But then you think about it like this, Shannon. What if I don't pick you and then pick you up in a three eight and then still give you some guaranteed money? No, I want the guaranteed money right here. You wasn and then pick you up in a three-eight and still give you some guaranteed money? No I want the guaranteed money right here. You want to pick me up and give me that

kind of guaranteed money so I go ahead and take this right here. Hey, hey, hey. I'm saying. Hey, you hear me? Yeah, what you saying with your? You're not, I don't think you're seeing it from, you're not seeing it from the same lens I'm seeing it at. I'm looking at the situation in this locality, right? Okay, you went fifth round.

Now I look at it, I look at the landscape of what they got. They got Flacco. Flacco not gonna be that long. Deshaun, Deshaun is hurt. He's coming off of a Achilles injury. I see, I think, no disrespect to Kenny Pickett, no disrespect to Dylan Gabriel. I see him beating them out.

So I see Shador as the number two quarterback with Flacco playing. Now, depending on how Flacco plays throughout the entirety of the season, there's a chance that Chidor, he goes to the helm. I say it's a blessing in disguise. So what happens? We think of when we look at the quarterback, the quarterback,

carousel of quarterbacks that the Browns have had throughout the entirety of their franchise, the last decent quarterback. Hey, a lot of them. The last good one that was consistent was Bernie Cotus. Yeah. Before that, it was Otto Graham. Yeah. Hey, I'm looking long-term.

This might be a blessing in disguise, despite. Yeah. So I'm just looking at it like that and knowing him and knowing the competitor that Shadour is, understanding the background and where he's come from. He's able to deal with his adversity. And again, hurdle this off as well. And this situation, listen, this situation for him, AGP, delayed not delayed.

I'm on your side. I think Shadour is going to be their quarterback for the next six, seven years. And he will be good. Yeah. I'm going to say, I'm going to say that. I can say 10 too, cause I think he's going to go in there and show up. You know, Lord is, and I think he's got a chip on his shoulder now that he ended up daddy doesn't talk to body.

Going there and get out with what you're going to get out there. And I'm guaranteed he go go in there and get out with what you're gonna get out there. And I'm guaranteed he gonna go in there. And I don't even care about Flacco. He's Flacco. Man, if you fool around and be moving and doing what you do, man, and pass that thing, get first down or whatever, them cleaning brows ain't been nothing in a long time anyway. If you can get some people in them stands and getting people high,

Shana, you just said it. His jersey is the number one in Cleveland right now, man. What y'all think? What y'all think? Man, that's gonna happen. I think he gonna show up. And that's what he should do. He should go in there and show up.

Oh, Joe, Abdul Carter responded to us on Twitter this afternoon. I wore number 11. I have big shoes. I've filled big shoes before. If you know football, you know who also wore the stick, which means 11. It's not about the number. It's about the player. The number, just a legacy.

It's iconic, something cool. Look at the legacy of the stick. I came to Penn State and not only lived up to that number, but I made it even more legendary. That's how I see it. I shot. If he says no, cool. You miss 100% of the shots. You don't take. Yes, sir. But I spoke to LT on the phone yesterday. Chill, dude. Don't speak it with the goat. know for certain 56 or not. I'll build my own legacy. I don't Allah I think you said thank you saying praise to God or something like that. Mm-hmm. I'm dual right We said that I mean we when we had you on the couch you appreciate it again

I don't think oh Joe and I and night cap the family. Thank you enough for coming by I appreciate Bailey. Thank you drew., we appreciate that because Bailey, I played with Bailey for two years at Beemore and Drew Rosenhouse, probably his first start, he was down at the East Blue-Grey game in Montgomery, Alabama, Ocho in 1989. So it goes back. So Abdul, I want to thank you for coming on. Ocho, I want to thank you. Thank you Drew Rosenhouse and Bailey, Robert Bailey for making that happen. Yes, we highlighted that number was made famous by Levar Arrington.

That name was then followed by Biker Parsons and then you took it. As great as those players were, wearing that number 11 at Penn State, I'll keep you can't even a fathom because let me tell you what happened. Every outside linebacker you see is because of LT. The Vaughn Millers, the TJ Watts, the Derek Thomas, the Cornelius Bennets, all these, the Leonard Floyds, you name it, outside edge rusher. He's the only player in NFL

history to make two positions famous. He made the left tackle famous. He made the outside linebacker famous too. When you talk about, when we talk about who the greatest quarterback, you get some debates, some people say Peyton, some people say Montana, some people say Brady, not going to fight you. That's not what we're here to do today. If we say who's the greatest wide receiver, you get some people say Jerry. Some people say Randy Moss. Some people say Tio. If we say who's the greatest wide receiver, you get some people say Jerry, some people say Randy Moss, some people say Tio.

If we say who's the best running back, some people say Jim Brown, some people say Walter Payton, Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders. When you say who is the greatest defensive NFL player ever, there's one name that comes out of everybody's mouth first. And he goes by initials. They don't call him Lawrence. They call him LT. That's all we're saying.

So I get the sticks, but five, six in that now in New York. It was top. And that's my, and that's my OG. That's my OG. Every time I see you, I'm with him. I just saw him a couple weeks ago had the autograph signing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'll be seeing him all the time now. That's my dude. That was the greatest G-Mister player ever. And there's been some great ones. And I'm fortunate enough to play in the era. I played in the era with Reggie at his prime. Bruce Smith at his prime. Ray Lewis at his prime. Deion, Reggie at his prime. Bruce Smith at his prime. Ray Lewis at his prime.

Deion, Coach Prime at his prime. I think I've been talking about guys that wasn't defensive player to your multiples. He's it. He made two positions famous. Famous, yeah. I think it's different. I think it's different,

but this is what I do like about Abdul. The confidence. I feel, the belief, I feel I can wear that 56 and do it justice. Despite LT being the greatest defensive player of all time. That's what makes Abdul who he is right now. That's why he was drafted. We weren't drafted. when he wore the sticks, when he was at Penn State. The belief, the confidence on not only that, in between them lines, the skill set, to be able to pull it off.

So the mere fact that he's coming in with that kind of cash in attitude, I feel like I could wear that 56 in New York and do right. I only want it. That's how I feel about myself. I only want it. As a matter of fact, I ain't even gonna fit the number. Cause they might say I'm close to 56. I don't even want it. That's how I feel about my own. I don't even want it. As a matter of fact, I ain't even gonna fit the number because they might say I'm close to 50 six.

I might be close to it. I don't want it. I'm getting me. I'm going to go back and get that level. I go back and get a single digit number. I'm a Z. Yes, sir. I do.

This is what this was trying to say, man. Look at me. I don't even want that number, Mike. I don't even want to live up to none of that. Let me go on number. He's legendary. Yeah, thank you. You can't do a legendary number will live up to none of that. Let me go on number. He's legendary. Yeah, you can't do a legendary number. Don't even mess with that.

Don't even be talking about all that. Then to put yourself in that situation, man, is going to well up. Do what you did and get out. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. If you hear the story about LT late for the plane, LT gets out in the car, throws his keys to the valet, say, I'll be back here Sunday, picking up.

And the guy brings him up on Sunday. LT, he driving a New York Ocho, he driving. He like, damn, they got the lights on at John Stadium. He's supposed to be playing. Hey, we on NFL film, man, Bill Belichick told a story one day Hey, we on NFL film man, Bill Belichick told a story one day about starting the meeting, starting the meeting and the head coach, I don't remember who the head coach was. Parcell was the head coach. Okay, Parcell was the head coach.

So Bill Belichick, I think Bill must have went to Parcell's and said something about, you know what, well LT, you know, he showed up late to a meeting and he wasn't there. And so Parcells asked him, well, did you start the meeting on time or did you wait for him to get there? He said, no, I just waited for him to get there. Well, that's a good thing. Because the meeting don't start until LT get there.

I mean, what's his problem? What are we talking about here? Like that's, I was like, what? It's like now, Ocho, guys, you got an opportunity to see Tom Brady. If you're old enough, you get an opportunity to see Tom Brady. If you weren old enough, you get an opportunity to see Tom Brady. If you weren't old enough, you didn't see Joe and those come from behind

victories and you didn't see Elway or Marino and plate. So I don't think people realize because they see TJ Wa and they see Aaron. Think about it. This man won the MVP of the league as a defensive player. Of the league. Different man. He was LT, what was LT? Like a 10 time all pro, like eight or nine first team.

Do you know how hard it is to beat that? A first team. I think Brady has three first team All-Pros over the season that he won the MVP. Let that sink in for a second. Aaron Donald was, I think, an eight time first team All-Pro in 10 seasons. I think LT had that many, but LT had like,

I think he went like six or seven in a row. Carl Banks banks somebody beat him out and then he went to another two or three. How many first team all pros that each LT have? eight first team how many consecutive seven He was eight first team and how many second team? one or two But I but look I'm doing I think think you're going to be a phenomenal player. Go strike y'all. Go, go get your, go build your own legacy. Cause you're there.

I mean, think about it. I don't care what corner. You think Joe Burrow gonna go to New England saying, let me get that 12. But, but, but, but Shannon, we shouldn't even be talking about this. And the Giants would be like, man, you can't have that number. Hey, listen, Hey, GP, GP in that, in that media market, you know how New York media

is, you know, they don't play, you don't play you, you, yeah, listen, you don't net 56 and understand what comes behind that or even having it on your having it on I don't mean it's below listen and listen i'm and you know how i am gp Um, you know how i am. I don't care what nobody say especially the media because i'm a fool But I I wouldn't even understand if hypothetically speaking I don't want what come behind that 56 when it every Sunday at one o'clock. Uh-uh. No, sir.

Like I said, they should even think about getting the 20. It's on here, man. This your jersey, man. This in your locker. You wear that, I'm gonna shut up. You already gotta hang it up, GP. Just hang this jersey up in his locker room and say, you got 11.

Here's what it is, man. Don't even come in my office and talk about 56. You know what I'm saying? I I attend LT and bring him to the thing and say, boy, you know better than that. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? That's all. That's LT good. LT's like, yeah, I appreciate it, but no. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, if you've been around LT, I've been around LT. I don't know how much you've been around LT, Ochoa,

but he'll cool dude. Hey, no, hey, hold on, hold on. Hey, that's a good one. Me and LT, we be at Twin Peaks. I'm saying you can see the pictures. I see him all the time. He coming off the golf course. Yes, okay, okay.

Coming there, smoking cigars with his little buddies. Yeah, that's him, that's him. That's all he wanna do is golf and smoke them cigars. And I see him in about two weeks. Anthony Anderson's a golf fitter fit, baby. So yeah, I see him all the time, with the signage and everything. That's my guy.

So you know what I'm saying, man, LT ain't worried about that. LT, we're gonna tell that boy, you ain't gonna know where I'm comparing me. Everybody gotta understand, put your name or your picture next to me. If you came, it ain't gonna never be another LT. I don't care what nobody say.

Right. You understand me? Just put your picture next to us and we'd be good. Yeah. You know, the John shit ain't even putting me in that situation. All right. You know what I do like? All right.

Before we go, before you go, I just want to say this about Abdul Carter. You know what I do like though, G.P. and all? Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Hey, there's, there's, there do like though GP and on Yeah, I love that. Yeah Hey this this there's something players that they don't have they that we had back in the day GP you you talked about it earlier You know as far as supporting cash, you know roleplay and all that young bull got confidence But a mere fact even had a gall and the ball to say I want to think about this

Oh, he's sick. What did that tell you? What did that tell you about him? Aaron Donald won three defensive players a year. So did JJ Watt. And ain't nobody said they're better than LT. And we watching them in this era. So now remember now when LT played, they didn't throw the football like they throw it now. He didn't have the chances to go out to hunt the quarterback like they do now. They put a special, Joe Gibbs put a special offense in just to deal with LT.

He put the H back in. He said, I want to put somebody over here with the left tackle so they can help on LT. Help him out. That's when you know, when they put it, when they design a special offense to deal with you. Mm hmm. If you couldn't block him, you couldn't beat the Giants. Go back and look at the 80s and look at the left tackles that got drafted in the first round. Jim Lashay and they go get Irv Eatman, they go get Garrett Zimmerman, they get Steve Wallace.

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