Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Eagles Beat the Bills in OT, Beyoncé on Blue Ivy's Haters, T.I. Drama

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles beating Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills in overtime (12:00), the Chiefs handy win over the Raiders (44:00), T.I.’s public feud with his son (52:00), and so much more. #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you again for joining us. We have included the Shade by LaPortier link at the top of the chat. Holiday is right around the corner. Make sure you go out and get yourself or someone you love a special bottle. Christmas, birthdays, and New Year's is right around the corner. Let's get into the action because we want to touch on a lot of games tonight, Ocho. The Ravens beat the Chargers 20-10.

Lamar was 18-32, 177, one touchdown, but it was the defense that came up big tonight. The Baltimore Ravens defense forced three first-half turnovers, and the Ravens offense only managed a field goal on those takeaways in the first half. Then Jadavion Clowney got a strip sack in the fourth quarter,

and then, you know, the offense went three and out. Zay Flowers said, you know what? I'm going to put an end to this. I'm going to the house. Oh, yeah. 20-10 final score. What did you take away from what you saw from the Ravens tonight? Obviously, the Ravens played good football, good balanced football at that. Good team.

Yeah, the defense did what they needed to do, and the offense was just, they did just enough to win the game. Obviously, the Chargers have continued to lose very close games. They were in the game towards the end of the game, and the Ravens took advantage of the game towards the end of the game and the Ravens took advantage of the opportunity towards the end of the game. As far as Zay Flowers, the real deal,

man. The real deal. He's going to be a superstar in this league. I don't mean to switch teams, but so is Tank Dale. Those two as rookies, the way they're playing is if they already arrived, they're playing some good football. Lamar Jackson, he didn't have the numbers that we're used to seeing

from him offensively as a quarterback, but he was efficient. Did he have a turnover? No, he didn't have a turnover tonight. No. Yeah, he had a clean game, but the defense won that game for the night, but when they needed it all. I think they got the ball back, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The big lineman did get it back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think the thing is, Ocho though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The big lineman did get it back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, the way he started the game, I thought he was going to like, oh, man. He was like eight of his first ten passes he hit. I was like, okay, it's going to be one of those type of games because he is completing a little over 70% of his passes.

So I thought it was going to be one of those games. But you see, as the game started to progress, the Chargers says, we're not going to let him sit back. We're going to start beating him up. We're going to bring some pressure. Put a little pressure on him. Yeah. Yeah, they started.

Khalil Mack started collapsing the pockets. They started bringing that extra guy to try to speed him up. But I think the thing is what really saved these guys tonight, because the offense, like you said, didn't have it going, they didn't turn the ball over. And if you don't have it going offensively, the last thing you can do is turn the football over. So they did a great job of not turning it over

while their defense forced turnovers and kept and held the Chargers high-powered offense to only 10 points. You know, for whatever, look, when you look at Justin Herbert, you see a physically gifted quarterback. A guy that's about 6'5", 245 pounds. Superior arm talent. Superior arm talent. Can make every throw on the field. You see him take

off on the run. He got better legs than what you would give him credit for. But all I know is he's 30 and 31 and 61 starts. That's what he is. I mean, look, we can keep saying, oh, he's this, he's that. At the end of the day, there's a short menu in pro sports. That's what he is. I mean, look, we can keep saying, oh, he's this, he's that. At the end of the day, there's a short menu in pro sports.

It's wins and losses. And all I know for all that superior talent that he has, arm talent, physical tools, losses are here, wins are there. That's all I know. Yeah, and the thing about it, obviously, too, with him being a superior quarterback, as he's viewed tall, 6'6", you know, all the attributes and being a great quarterback, he also has a supporting cast around him to be successful. But something about the charge is always losing close games, always losing close games. And this is what's going to make or break them as far as being a playoff contender and going home in January,

those close games, the playoff teams win those. And most of them, most of them are by three. Every time they have a close game, they always lose by three or less. Yeah. You don't have to win them all.

Oh, Joe, but you need to win more than what you lose. Right. They seem to be on the short end of those, those games. Yeah. And so that,

that that's telling for me um is that I don't I don't see how and I don't advocate for anyone losing his job but I think Brandon Staley stay in in in in in LA is probably gonna is definitely gonna come to an end at the end of the season because if you go

back they lost a lot of games um as you said three points seven points yeah then you finally make the playoff you get a 27 nothing lead at half and you give it all back yeah and you seemingly haven't recovered from that because you're still losing close ball games and your defense tonight not withstanding uh you i thought your offense put you in harm's way uh uh by turning the ball over like they did right is that that defense has been, and that's Brandon Staley's forte,

that defense has been less than desirable. And considering the talent that they have on that side of the ball, Ocho, they should be a lot better statistically than what they are. Right. Do you think they should give Brandon Staley a little bit more leash,

or do you think it's really his time is up based on the personnel and what he has to use defensively? Obviously, Khalil Mack, Derwin James, Satati Sane, Derwin James. Yeah, yeah. Do you think it's his time? You want to start fresh? Yeah. Considering, now look at what you

got. Look at this quarterback. They got Keenan Allen. They got guys that I understand, the big Mike Williams, the other receiver, He goes down early in the season, but there's no reason, Ocho. You mean to tell me with that offense, you give me 10 points? That's what you gave me.

Yeah, you're right. Mind you, they're playing against arguably the best defense in the league tonight now. Okay, I'll concede that to you. But with that offense, why do you continuously lose these close ball games? And a lot of times you have the ball in your hand at the end in order to either tie the game or to win the game.

And you still come up short. Right. Okay. You're right. You're right. It's hard to argue the fact. Very hard to argue the fact. And you look at their defense with the names that I mentioned. Khalil Mack's been a defensive player of the year. Joey Bosa was a rookie of the year. And guys have been a multi, multi-time All-Pro, multi-time Pro Bowl players. You can't have that when you have that level of talent scattered throughout the entire team.

That's just, that won't cut it. And so I just don't see how he holds on. Justin Herbert was 29 of 44, 217, one touchdown, one interception. Jose Cardoza donated $20 and asked, on. Justin Herbert was 29 of 44, 217, one touchdown, one interception. Jose Cardoza donated $20 and asked, do you think a better coach can help Herbert overcome those last-minute drives? They're all out.

Yeah. With a guy like that, I got to make you make a quick decision. I can't let you sit back there and think about what you're in. Okay, scan left to right. Okay. I can't let you do that, Ocho about what you and you know, okay scan left to right. Okay, right now I can't let you do that. Oh Joe. I gotta make you make a decision part Pick your part and more times than not. Oh Joe if I can speed a guy up

I'm gonna make you make a mistake state. Yeah, and that's what I'm trying to do But it takes it takes courage to do that now But it takes courage to do that now. It takes courage to blitz a guy that he has legs. He can jump out the window and take off and get a first down. And if everybody's back to turn to him, he can run a long ways. He can make every throw, even if you're hanging on him, Ocho. He can throw a 10, 15, 20-yard out. He can still get the ball out under heavy duress.

But I just i something something's not clicking yeah something something is going on with this team that says maybe uh a new leadership is what they need yeah i i hate i hate the fact that normally when you have a well-constructed team like this like they do have I hate when things don't work out and obviously, and change is needed, obviously not from the front office, but from the coaching perspective. And most of the time, I say this all the time,

players get coaches fired, but that's not the type of roster that gets the coach fired. Why they're not clicking and why they're not playing well, why they're not winning those close games, not playing well, why they're not winning those close games, I will never understand. I will never understand. And it's been like that

for what, two years now? Three. Yo, three. Because you remember when he first got there, you know, he was going for it every fourth down, fourth and two.

He's going for it. Oh, yeah, look at that. Oh, he has courage. Okay, that'll bite you in the butt now. You got to play. At the end of the butt now. You got to play. At the end of the day, you still got to play smart football.

You're continuously going for it on your own 20 and 30-yard line and it's fourth and one. That's not smart football, especially so early in the game. And you fake putting it there at the time and the place for everything. But eventually,

your luck's going to run out. And like I said, when I look at this team and I look at the talent that they have, from a Keenan Allen and an Austin Eckler and a Justin Herbert and an Everett and all those guys at the skill position, Ocho, there ain't no way,

ain't no way they're supposed to be playing like this. You're right, you're right, you're right. The funny thing about it is when you have a team constructed like this on both sides of the ball, I would almost say damn near equivalent to somewhat of the 49ers. I'm not saying they're the 49ers. I'm just saying as far as the personnel and comparison on teams, they should be playing that type of football or getting the same type of results that the 49ers do with their squad. that type of football, but again, the same type of results that the 49ers do with their squad.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. What, probably the game of the day, the Eagles beat the Bills in overtime 37-34. And remember, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. That was a great,

that was a phenomenal game. Jalen Hurts, Ocho, he started 4 of 11 for 33 yards and an interception in the first half. Yeah, horrible. And he rallied. He ends up 11 for 33 yards and an interception in the first half. Yeah, horrible.

And he rallied. He ends up throwing for 200 yards, three touchdowns in the second half. He added another 65 yards rushing and two touchdowns. Now he has 11 multi-touch rush touchdown games in his career, breaking a tie with Cam Newton for the most by a quarterback in the Super Bowl era. Last week, Josh Allen was caught by NFL films declaring, I feel like I'm effing back. His statement also came against the Giants, I mean the Jets.

Josh Allen now is 0-6 in overtime. He was 29-51, 3-39, two touchdowns and an interception. He also had two scores on the ground, a team-high 81 rushing yards. What was some of your takeaways from this ballgame? I mean, obviously, the Eagles didn't play well in the first half. Jalen Hurst didn't play well in the first half. The Bills, I thought the Bills were going to come away with this one. Obviously, Josh Allen being 0-5 before the game had ended and obviously looking like they were going to win the game.

I was not hoping. I'm not going to say I was hoping, but Josh had been playing extremely bad. Obviously, they played the Jets. I'm really not counting that win because the Jets are a bad team. So I'm not going to count that win. So I was hoping this would have been good motivation. This would have been a good confidence builder for the team. A good one, especially

beating the Eagles team. Obviously, that is 9-1 or maybe 8-1 at the time. I got my numbers confused, but either way, it would be great for them to finish this game off the right way. I thought they had it in the bag. I honestly did. I thought they had it in the bag. Obviously, the Eagles, they're going to the playoffs.

They're going to the playoffs. They're going to make a long run. The Bills, I don't know what's going to happen. Obviously, they were 6-5 coming into the game. They haven't been playing well. They've been very up and down all season long. Diggs hasn't been happy. Josh hasn't been happy. Gabe Davis, not one goddamn target last week against the Jets.

Not one target. You know, he had a... He missed it. He had an okay game. Josh missed him today in OT. He had the fourth touchdown. He came with the bomb. He did. They came to blow it up

and he had him and he missed him. Yeah. Do we blame Mother Nature a little bit? Do we blame... No. Ocho, did you see the guy

kick the 59-yard field goal in that driving rainstorm? Yeah. Hey. Oh, yeah. And that would have been good. The ball looked like it had been good.

It looked like it had been good from 65, 70. 60, yeah. Because he hit the back of the The ball looked like it had been good. It looked like it had been good from 65 to 70. Yeah. Because it hit the back of the net. That was a good kick. A good clutch kick at that. Yes. But I don't know how they look.

We were taught, like, when somebody comes on the bomb blitz and we're outside, we stay outside. Right. If you're inside and they come with the bomb blitz, you try to cross the guy's face. Face, yeah. Okay. But in a situation like Ocho, you can blitz, you try to cross the guy's face. Face, yeah. Okay. But in a situation like Ocho, you can't miss that throw, Ocho.

You can't. You can't. Right. Because remember, everybody was up in arms. Oh, if the Bills had got the ball in overtime against the Chiefs, they'd have won the game. They'd have won the game. Well, they had the opportunity to do that just now.

Ta-da. Yeah, they had the opportunity. They had the opportunity. And I don't like to make excuses, but playing in that rain, it handicaps you a little bit. It handicaps you catching the ball. It handicaps you throwing the ball

and just being efficient as you would if it was dry. I'm not making no excuses. I'm just saying. I'm just taking into account the fact that it was. Devontae Smith didn't have a hard time catching it. Zakiya's caught one at the back of the end zone. He didn't have a hard time catching it. That was a nice catch too in the back end zone. Yeah, that was nice. But the thing is, Ocho, the Bills seem to be in control of this game.

And then Josh gets fooled by a trap corner. Bradbury rolled up on him. Come on, bro. You got to see that. You think he can see that though? Yeah, it doesn't trap. It was so quick. It was so quick. I so quick I thought listen even I had to wait to see the replay I thought he was gambling and then I noticed instead of he was supposed to be you know dropping to the dropping back

in the zone he said man F that man he jumped that so quick because you know why for the formation tell you in a situation like that what they gonna try going to try to do? Try to get a cheap five? Yeah. Because guess what? That's a that's a that's a that's a

wide receiver on a linebacker. So what they're going to do? Push up, run your little stick around. Yep. Yep. And they knew it. It's like it's damn near like they baited them into that and played trap at the right time. They did.

And in a situation like that, you're getting desperate. You got to make it because the last thing you can do is fall and fail. It could go down by another score. That's the last, especially a touchdown, Ocho. A field goal doesn't doom you,

but man, to go down a touchdown, another score there, a touchdown there. That might have lasting effect. But I said this, hold on. Two weeks ago, another score there a touchdown there that might yeah that might have lasting effect but get i said this hold on two weeks ago i said jalen hurts i've never seen i don't know if i've seen somebody quite like him he can have the most mundane the most mediocre game and they're just flailing around on both sides of the ball right but come fourth quarter if that game is close

he'll find a way to pull it out every time every time he's done it he's done it consistently every time we just saw it monday night against the chiefs just flailing around ain't nothing going their way then all of a sudden the fourth quarter the game's closed and then he makes a play he believes i mean he is just like so calm he's the perfect person to play in Philly because he understands how fickle the Philly fans are. They're going to love you. They're going to

boo you. He just rides the wave. He don't get too high. He don't get too low. I mean, you know, hey, all the celebrities like, look, I'm supposed to do this. I keep the main thing, the main thing. I don't get high when it's good. I don't get high when it's, when it's good.

I don't get low when it's bad. I just stay even keel and good things happen. That was a phenomenal game. That was a good, you look. And then, you know, I think they,

they, I think they still don't play the Eagles. No Buffalo. I think who got to know? No, the Eagles got San Francisco next week, right? They got the 49ers still got Buffalo, the Eagles and the Cowboys. Wait, that's prime time. No, no, no, no, the Eagles got San Francisco next week, right? They do? Because the 49ers still got Buffalo, the Eagles, and the Cowboys.

Wait, that's primetime, huh? No, no, no, no, no. Eagles have... You okay? The Eagles have the Niners, Cowboys, Seahawks. Seahawks. And the Bills still got... Don't the Bills have the Niners also?

The Bills, because the Bills have the Niners also? The Bills, because the Bills... Okay, okay. The Bills have Chiefs, Cowboys, Dolphins. Ooh. Oh, wait, that's the next three? Yeah. Billy got Niners, Cowboys, Seahawks. Bill's got Chiefs, Cowboys, Dolphins.

Boy, he can get ugly. Not for the Eagles. Listen, the Eagles, what? Eagles 10-1 now, right? Yeah. Boy, they sitting pretty. They sitting real pretty. Look, if they win these two games against, I mean,

they're the number one seed, you can't catch them. Because they will have beaten the Cowboys twice. So they have a 2-0, so that's like a 3-0 lead right there in the division. And if they beat the 49ers, the 49ers will have four losses.

And it's a conference opponent. Right. Basically, it's a death blow for the number one seed. Anybody trying to catch the number one seed, that means the Eagles will lock that up. I mean, and then I'm looking at the Bills' schedule the next three games. I think if they don't

improve or show some sign of something, if they lose to the Dolphins, that's going to be tough. If they lose to the Dolphins, that's going to be tough. If they lose to the Dolphins, that's probably going to end the division. I think they're going to lose to the division. They're not going to beat them again.

Because the Dolphins are 8-3, right? If I'm not mistaken, the Dolphins are 8-3. Then you say they got... Who else you say they got? Who else you say they got? The Bills. I'm talking about? Who you? The Bills. I'm talking about the Bills. The Bills got the Chiefs.

The Chiefs. The Cowboys and the Dolphins. It could get ugly. They might lose two of the next three, and I think heads going to roll if that happens. Yeah. Something got to give over there. Well, Sean McDermott wanted to call the plays.

Leslie Frazier left. They had a very good, I had an outstanding defense. Leslie Frazier was doing a great job. And, you know, Sean McDermott wanted to take over the play calling. Right. There it is. Different ball game, huh? There it is.

Take it over. You got it. Defensively, it didn't hurt when Milano went down either. Milano, Tredavious White. White, yeah, right. Bond hasn't gotten back into shape. Bond's a little older now.

He's coming off an ACL injury. It's rough. It's tough to be able to get back to what you once were as you start to age. Those injuries

start to take it at you once you get to a certain point, Ocho. Yeah. C.J. Stroud, excuse me, did you see this? C. Yeah. CJ Stroud, excuse me, did you see this? CJ Stroud rubbed Texas fans the wrong way

when he was on Auxiliary Money podcast and asked to choose between LA women and Houston women. And he said, LA girls over Houston girls, and it's not even close, saying Houston girls are fake bougie. He also complained about the

food scene saying the food has been gassed up here. How do you think he should have handled that? You got to be careful what you say. You're the franchise quarterback, baby. You're going to be in Houston the next, what, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 years.

You got to be careful what you years. You got to be careful what you say. You got to hype your people up. Yeah, you got to be careful. But obviously he's from LA. He's from LA. He's just getting to Houston. He's just getting his feet wet

and understanding the culture in Houston. Obviously the food is something that people visit and love. Turkey Leg Hut, to be exact. The women in Houston,

I don't frequent Houston very much, but I've heard good things about the women in houston i don't frequent houston you know very much but i've i've heard good things about the women i've heard good things about it about them i've really haven't free when i haven't dated anyone from houston but um you got to be careful you got to be careful when when you get asked questions like that you got to plead the fifth and if you gotta lie just lie and say something positive you You know what, Ocho? Hey, I like both places. There are beautiful women in L.A. There are beautiful women in Houston. Yeah.

It just all, hey, what's your flavor? What you like? Because both places got them. The cuisine. Look, L.A. got restaurants, but Houston, if you like soul food, it's hard for me to believe that there ain't no good soul food places in Houston. There are no good barbecue joints in Houston. It's hard for me. Now, maybe that's not his flavor. Maybe that's not his cuisine. Maybe he's more of a sushi. I'm sure they have sushi places, but Cali, I mean, look,

you're on the water. So, you know, you're going to get the precious sushi or whatever you want, vegan restaurants or whatever that, you know, hey, whatever it is. But I just think the thing is he's young. He has to understand that he's got to be a politician. When you're the quarterback, you have to be more politician as opposed to being sometimes, hey, you can't always be honest. You can't always give your true feelings on certain things, given the position that he's in. Right. Yeah, he'll understand it. He'll understand it.

It's all about being media savvy. He'll learn as he go. Yeah, yeah understand it's all about yeah it's all about it's all about being media savvy he'll learn as he go yeah yeah that's what you like but the way he planned the way he planned right now he can get away with it yeah he can get away with it yeah so i just think the thing is that that's something that you know his his his handlers will get around him and handle him says hey if something like this comes up, say there are beautiful women all over the world. Hey, I live in a I was born and raised in L.A. Obviously a playing in Houston. Now I have a girlfriend or I have someone

in my life, so I don't look, but I'm sure there's beautiful women all over the place. And so, you know, you play it like that and you move on. You start getting on these shows like this. Sometimes they walk you to a trap that you didn't really know that you were walking into. It'd be harmless, too.

No ill intent. CJ Stroud became the first rookie in league history to score 300 passing yard games in four straight games. So he's thrown for at least 300 yards in four straight games. Led the Texas on an 11-play, 45-yard drive late in the fourth quarter to set up a game-time field goal. And Matt Amendola missed it. He missed it, yeah.

But Amendola kicked. I mean, that's hard to say he missed it. I mean, 58 yards. I mean, it wasn't like it was 28 yards. It was 58 yards, and he hit the crossbar, the middle of the crossbar. Crossbar, yeah, and bounced the wrong way. And 58 crossbar, fell short, clinching the Jags, seventh win in eight games. So that would have really put some pressure.

They could have gotten the game into overtime and actually won the game, Ocho. That would have really put some pressure on the Jags because they would have taken two games off the Jags. Yeah, yeah. But I like what I saw from the Texans. I like Tank Dale. I love Nico Collins, Noah Brown, although he didn't have a big game today. They have the skill positions around him to be successful.

But give the Jags credit. They came in there with a sense of urgency that they knew they could ill afford to lose this game and let them have a sweep over them in the division. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it as well. Obviously,

Tank Dale, man, is, man, dude, unbelievable. Obviously, I remember watching him in the senior bowl and seeing the difference in him and everybody else and his ability to create separation and run routes. And I had wondered to myself, you know what?

It looked good against him, but I wonder how it would transition into the NFL and on Sundays. And by God almighty, it has transitioned extremely well. And he's become obviously, he's become his security blanket. Most of the time as a rookie quarterback, your security blanket is most of the time if you're tight in Most of the time is excitement the fact that him and tank Dale have the chemistry and they're excelling this early already

It's gonna They're gonna be nice. It gonna be very very nice He has a nice he has a nice little little repertoire receivers around him and the fact of in the fact of the matter he's getting it done without true superstar number one guys you know no superstars dudes that are just hard i call them hard hat hard hat go out there and get the job done type receivers i think in situations like this when you're dealing with a young quarterback i think these kind of guys work best with him because he don't have to force the ball to him. You know, you got a true number one. When you got one of them old school number ones,

he gonna get in that rookie's ear. Man, give me that. Hey, bro, give me that rock. And you know he's gonna defer. I see what you mean. You right. But now he got a Nico Collins. Now he has a Tank Dale. He has guys that, like, okay, I give it to you. I get it to you. He's open. I gave it to him. Not a situation where, hey, bro, what, I give it to you, I get it to you. Hey, he's open. I gave it to him.

Not a situation where, hey, bro, what's up, man? You know I'm a top dog here. So I think sometimes, Ocho, in situations like what he is with C.J. Stroud, I think having these young guys, I think that works best for him. The Steelers go to Cincinnati, beat your bingo 16-10. It looks like Canada might have been the issue. The 16 points are nothing to write home about, but this

was the Steelers' first game in which they've had 400-plus offensive yards in 58 games. In 44 of those games, Matt Canada was the OC. Kenny Pickett, 24-33, 278 yards. His completion percentage, 72.7%,

was well above his previous high of 68%. But I know you saw this. Deontay Johnson. Yeah. Bro, you drop a touchdown, and then you walk off the ball, and the ball is fumbled, and you don't do nothing.

Listen, well, you know, you play tight end, and I can attest to what Deontay did on the third and short. What most of the time, which many of us as receivers do, is we walk off the ball like that, and normally we engage with the DB in front of us to make sure to see if we got the first or not. He didn't engage with anybody, and he didn't look down to see. He didn't do nothing. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

So I can't even take up for him. Just the walking off the ball part, we all do that. We all do that part, especially on third and short. Oh, Joe, but not front side. Huh? Okay, you back side. Yeah, he was front side. That's how the ball popped out.

He was front side. Remember, he didn't chase. Well, hold on, man. Wait a minute. I know it's frontside, but I'm just saying it was third and short. Yes, but I'm saying...

Yeah, third and short. Normally, it's a dive or something in the A-gap and you normally engage with your dude and just see if you get the first or not. No, hell no.

He wasn't even paying attention, though. He wasn't even paying attention. I don't know. I guess y'all wasn't a running team. Man, look here. Mike Shanahan. Man, if Ed and Rob would have walked off the ball.

Yeah. First of all, Alex Gibbs was our O-line coach. Man, Alex would have ran out. Because, you know, back then, they didn't have those cordless, Mike. You know, you had the cords back when you were out playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, Alex would have ran out there and wrapped that court around it and Rodney. Man, hell no.

Walking up the ball. Yeah, you got to be locked in. You got to be locked in right there. Especially if you're going to walk off, at least be engaged with the DB and knowing to see if your running back got the first down. If that ball popped out, you want to be right there to be able to jump on that thing. It's a horrible ocho, and it's a bad look because you complaining about the ball, you dropped the touchdown

on the drive before. Right, right. And then you walk off the, okay, walking off the ball is bad enough, but the ball pop out and you don't even chase, Ocho. Yeah, he ain't see it though. You got to look at, if you look at his body language, look at his eyes, he ain't even look down. He ain't even look down to see if

he had turned walking back to the damn huddle already because he thought the running back was down. Yeah, that's unfortunate. He was a little disengaged right there. He was a little disengaged. You can't, Ocho, because if you think about it, offensively, you're struggling. Yeah.

You're struggling. And you want to show, okay, the new coordinator hey we need to get the ball to Deontay yeah he busted his butt you see he busted his butt I mean how do how do I mean I already know Mike Tomlin had a conversation with him you already know Mike you know Mike Mike don't play that now you know Mike Mike said something because this is the story not them winning this is a story now and that, and that's going to be on the headlines. That's going to steal the joy from the win.

Offensively, listen, was Matt Cannon the problem, you think? Excuse me. Or did they just happen to have a good game against a Bengals team that doesn't have Joe Burrow? Well, Joe Burrow wasn't playing defense. He doesn't play defense.

But we'll find out it's one game maybe this was an anomaly let's see moving forward can they generate other 400 yard games can they generate other wins now they've won with matt canada but it i mean they were out gained in all of the all of the games in which they won and you you know you're not going to go very far if you work to make the playoffs. Giving up teams out gaining you by 100 yards, out gaining you by 200 yards. But give them credit. They went on the road against a division opponent,

and they found a way to win a ball game. But you have to give them credit for that. The Chiefs offense seems to have gotten back on track, steamrolling the Raiders. Kansas City got up to a wobbly start, generating 13 yards on their first two drives, starting at a 14-0 hole. Then Mahone boys stepped on the gas. The next three drives by Kansas City, 71 yards, touchdown. 79 yards, touchdown.

75 yards, touchdown. Mahone's finished today 27-34, 298, two touchdowns, zero turnovers. No turnovers. And I think that's why they overcome that deficit. That's why they overcome that deficit. That 14, you know, we're going to give you all 14 points. We're going to give you 14, and

Mahomes is going to show you how good he really is. And we, I mean, media outlets, you know, the pundits they want to talk about, well, he doesn't have a true number one. If Travis Kelsey's not playing well, he has nobody to throw to or shoot. Isaiah Pacheco stepped, Rashid

is it Rice? Rashid Rice. Yeah. Rashid Rice stepped up. Pacheco, man, listen, somebody must pissed him off or something. I ain't never seen nobody run the ball that angry since Marion Barber. Remember Marion Barber? I do.

It's like they have the exact same running style like somebody pissed him off. Why are you running angry? Every step is like it's intent and will to hurt, but ain't nobody in front of you, man. Yeah. The Chiefs, not even the Chiefs, Mahomes. Man, Mahomes is special, man. Mahomes is you, man. The Chiefs, not even the Chiefs, Mahomes. Man, Mahomes is special, man. Mahomes is special, man. You see that passing through to Kelsey?

On that silver, on that sale route? No. The placement. The placement. Unbelievable. The arm angles, man. The moving in the pocket, the poise, everything about him is immaculate. And down 14, most of the time, you start pressing.

You start pressing. You make mistakes. No mistakes were made. No mistakes were made. And they came back. They win the game. But again, they were playing the Raiders. Yeah.

Yeah. They were playing the Raiders. Can you play a good team like the Cowboys or the Eagles and be down by 14 and still think you're just going to overcome it? It's a different ballgame. No. And I think the thing is that also

is that you saw he got Kelsey involved. Kelsey opens it up. So now you can scheme the other guys. You can run Rasheed Rice on the shallow cross and he hit his head on the goalpost. You can do other things, but you got to get 8-7 involved. You can run Rasheed Rice on a shallow cross and he hit his head on a goal post. You can do other things, but you got to get 8-7 involved. You got to get him involved

because he makes it easier. So now everybody's eyes goes towards him and now these other guys all of a sudden are splintering and you get them on shallow crosses, you get them on smoke screens and things of that nature. But Kansas City seemed to be on the right track like you said. I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in this

because that was the Raiders. But like you tell me, that's the NFL team. That's the top 1%. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right by that. You're right by that.

But again, we talk about two-time Super Bowl champ Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs with Andy Reid calling them goddamn plays. They going to be all right oh big red big red big red the thing is but you can't turn the ball over because if you get off to slow starts like that oh you can't turn the ball over because now all of a sudden you're already down 14 and now you let people get steal your steal your possessions right so that was a doubt i think that was one of the things that i saw that they did a great job of protecting the football matt jones had another rough day oh joe throwing saw, that they did a great job of protecting the football.

Matt Jones had another rough day, Ocho, throwing two more interceptions in a 10-7 loss to the Giants before being benched for Bailey Zappi at the half. Now, Zappi, it wasn't like Bailey Zappi played great either. He didn't. But you know what, Ocho? It's time for the Patriots and Matt Jones to part ways. I mean, how many... Go ahead.

What they doing, Unc? Like, come on, what mean, how many... Go ahead. What they doing, huh? Like, come on, what we doing? Come on, Bill. What we doing? Bill O'Brien, what are we doing? Listen, this is a great analogy. This is all that makes sense to me. If you don't like something,

just bench him and be done with it. They have benched Mac Jones four times this year. Yes. Do you understand what that has done to his psyche? Do you understand what that has done to his confidence? Do you understand what that has done to his confidence? He has none at this point. That's like, fellas or ladies in the chat, that's like going back to your ex.

Yeah. Four different times and expecting the results to be different as opposed to how they were before. Yeah, you bring up me four times, it's over. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. You know you don't like him.

You have a problem. You have issues with the turnovers. Every time, you've been to them every single time. Like, what are we doing? Just stick with Mr. Zappy. Oh, Joe, not only do you break up with him, I see you dating other guys in the meantime because they brought Zappy in all four times.

So, you break up with me, I see you. that don't work out with you and him, now you come back to me. And guess what? I'm foolish enough to take you back. Take you every time. Every time. Listen, that has to, just thinking about it to me, I'm not even

playing the game. And then I understand what comes with the quarterback position. You're already frustrated, you're not winning, then they bench you, then Monday comes, you got practice on Wednesday, they didn't say, well, okay, now you're the quarterback position. You're already frustrated. You're not winning. Then they bench you. Then Monday comes, you got practice on Wednesday. They say, well, okay, now you're the starter again.

Yeah. I mean, come on, man. They got to find a quarterback. I don't know who it's going to be, but they need to find somebody to pick up what Tom left off. And even though those are big shoes to fill, I know what you're going to say.

They're big shoes to fill, but they got to find it. They got to find it because things aren't going to be right until they find a quarterback. Yeah, but Ocho, it's a rarity that you lose Joe Montana and there's Steve Young. You lose a Brett Favre and there's an Aaron Rodgers. Normally, when you lose a historically great quarterback, it's years. Look how long the Steelers went when they lost Terry Bradshaw

it was almost 20 years before they get Big Ben and you know think about it, Buffalo had gone 20 plus years before they get Josh Allen yeah from Jim Kelly to Josh Allen so you don't normally

so as great as Tom is, unless you have Josh Allen. Yeah. Yeah, from Jim Kelly to Josh Allen. Yeah, you're right. So you don't normally, so as great as Tom is, unless you have somebody, and it's not like it is, you can't have Steve Young on your roster now. Right. You can't. Because, first of all,

he's going to want to play. Yeah. And he's not going to be content with not playing. Right. And plus, when Steve was there, there was no free agency. So where was he going to go? Oh, he had no choice but to be there. He had no choice but to be there.

Okay. Now there's free agency. Plus, I need to look at the guy because I need to know before I invest $300 million because you know we're right around the corner for a $300 million contract because we're $250 million right now, $260 million. Right. The next contract within a year or two is going to a $300 million contract. Because we, you know, we 250 right now, 260. Right. The next contract within a year or two

is going to be 300 million. Wait, that's the funny thing about it. Since you talk about the next contract, obviously it would be a quarterback. Yeah. Everybody's been paid already. So who would be up next?

Tua's up. Okay, but that's a good one. Tua's playing extremely well. But would Tua overlap Joe and Lamar and Patrick Mahomes? Hey, I'm after. I'm after. That's what y'all do. Y'all told me the reason why this guy got more than that guy

because he signed a year after. So, hey, I need my money. I'm about to have a 2,000-yard receiver. I'm about to throw for 4,800, almost 5,000 yards. I'm going to be way high on the touchdown list. Yeah, I'm going to get that. I'm going to throw for 4,800, almost 5,000 yards. I'm going to be way high on the touchdown list. Yeah, I'm going to get that. I'm going to ask you one more question. So when Dak is up, so does Dak also get that 300

mile? Yeah. It continues to overlap. Because that's what they do. Everybody keeps trying to up it because I want to keep climbing. I got to keep pushing these salaries high. But normally it's supposed to be just the top,

the top, top, top guys being able to reset the market like that. It used to be like that, Ocho. It used to be. But now, hey, I just happen to be... See... Timing, timing. Yeah. It's not whether or not you're good. It's whether or not you're free.

It's whether you're free. Right. Right. So I got to make a decision, Ocho. So that's why guys, they ain't got no patience. I can't have patience. You mean to tell me I'm supposed to let a guy and just go, OK, I'm going to have patience and I'm going to give him 300 million after his third year. But I'm not sure certain, but I'm just going to have patience. No, you can't do that, Ocho. You can't. The money is too great now. So teams are not going to have the patience like they did

because I got to know. By the third year, I got to know whether or not the kid can play, Ocho. Because I'm going to have to rest 300 million in it. That's why they always say your third year is your break and make year regardless of what position you play. Especially if you want to,

like, by your third year, if you a first round pick, you should have been a major Pro Bowl by now. By your third year, you should be a Pro Bowl, you should be a borderline all-pro player.

Mm-hmm. Because guess what? Now, in today's market, with the contracts, by that third year, everybody wants that new deal, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you're playing really well, they will tear it up in a heartbeat. in today's market with the contract by that third year. Everybody wants that new deal, Ocho. And if you're playing really well,

they will tear it up in a heartbeat. Ain't got no problem getting you that. No problems at all. But it's going to be hard for me to give you paper when you ain't got no All-Pros, you ain't got no Pro Bowls on your resume. It's just hard. How? Right. You're right. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast,

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My baby in there? Yeah, I'm My baby in there? Yeah, I'm sure real in there. The Broncos have won five in a row, knocking out the Browns. First time in NFL history we've had a game which ended 29-12. I think Sean Payton has realized at this point, Russ, career, less is more. So, you know, Russ loved to cook, but Sean Payton just let them handle the appetizers right now yeah yeah he said we will we will because in the four of the last five games they've topped 125 120 yards rushing and for the five games of the win streak russ hasn't posted a single game of 300 yards passing game during that span he's only averaging about 170 yards passing per game. Yeah, I saw that. But, but, but

he hasn't thrown an interception. I think he had a fumble today, right? Didn't he fumble today? I think he fumbled once today. Yeah. Listen, the Broncos, them boys done won five straight. Like Russell Wilson say, Bronco Nation, let's ride.

Are you ready to get Russell's flowers? We're in the Bronco country. You ready to get Russell's flowers now We're Bronco country. Are you ready to get Russell's flowers now? Yeah, he's playing well. Yeah, he's playing well. He's playing well. Hey, listen, he's not throwing up historic numbers. You know, we were all fussing about, obviously,

the chemistry between him and Sean Payton. It wasn't what it should be. And, man, forget all that. You know, Jerry, Judy, and Corlin Sutton, man, they're on a five-game win streak. Yeah, I would like to see them get Judy involved more though, man. I don't know what it is. What's going on, Ocho? You're a wide receiver. What's going on with Judy? Why is there

no connection? Right now, obviously, if you look at the numbers, if you look at the numbers, listen, Russell only threw the ball 22 times today. No, 13 for 22, 425 yards. So, unless you have plays specifically scripted for him, I think Sean Payton

has Russell Wilson playing mistake-free football where he's not really wanting to let it go or let it all hang out for that matter. Keep us in contention. Keep us close in the game

so we can win these games, which is why I think they have won the last five. I think when he gets a little bit more comfortable and gets back to his old self, I think that's when we'll start throwing all over the place, all willy-nilly, like I call it, and we'll see the 300, 400

yard, well, not 400, 400 is a little bit much, but 400 yard game from Wilson again. I don't know if that's necessarily because when you got Javante Williams, you got some IJP Ryan, and they're running the ball. They're power backs. So, hey,

let's see if we can keep it third and short. Yeah, sometimes I think I wish they could push the ball down the field because everybody's crowned the line. I mean, a lot of times, Javante is getting the ball. He can't hit in the backfield. I'm like, well, damn. But this seems to be the recipe

in order to make the dish that's palatable for the Broncos to win football games. So I'm all for that. As long as they win the game, all that other stuff I can do without. Alex Smith calls out Tom Brady for NFL criticism saying Brady played in the biggest cupcake, biggest cupcake division.

He said the biggest complaint with Brady comments was Brady played in the most uncompetitive division. You come out of training camp, the biggest cupcake division. You got to take it to the playoffs right away. Like talk about mediocre. I completely disagree with this, but here's the thing.

Ocho, two things can be true. Tom Brady played in the most uncompetitive division, the AFC East. Yeah, they were bad. They were bad. They were bad. But when he got to the playoffs, Tom Brady played in three years

with the playoff game. His record is third. Well, notwithstanding, so let's see how many games did he win in tampa he lost the first year so he won about four games so he won about 30 playoff games in new england now he's beating the best in the afc south, the AFC North, and the AFC West. Yeah. And guess what? When he goes to the Super Bowl, he's beating the best they got to offer.

Yeah. So, Alex Smith, you're absolutely right. Right. That was the most uncompetitive division. But, damn sure they hindered him when it came to playoff time. Because they were kicking ass and taking names. Yeah. For 20 years.

Yeah. Most definitely. most definitely. Most definitely. I think what Tom was talking about more so to me, obviously you were talking about the product on the field. And one of the issues, again, with what Tom was saying is the NFL, the competition committee, they have handicapped the game so much where you can't even play the type of football that Tom is used to seeing. You can't even play the type of football that Thomas used to sing.

You can't even play that type of football anymore. I just saw what running back was that? No, the receiver. Armond St. Brown. Armond St. Brown. He's fined $43,000. $43,000. I watched the play five times.

I still don't know what he's talking about. I watched it five times trying to figure out what in the world did he do wrong? Right. Like, I think there's some type of conspiracy and somebody's parking his parking in some money. The fines that they handed out right now are ridiculous. Forty three thousand for that. Oh, Joe. Come on.

Forty three thousand. And you know what? I'm not hearing. Are they winning these appeals? Is Merton Haines still on? Is Merton Hnes still the one? Nah, I think it's... If I had to...

I think it's James Thrash and... Brooks. Brooksie. For real? D. Brooks, yeah. I think they handled the appeal. Come on, man. Ain't no way.

Something ain't right. Something ain't right. Something is going on. Something has to go on. Now, the big stuff goes to John Runyon. Wait, John Runyon? John Runyon? Yeah, yeah.

Used to be the Eagles right tackle. Yeah. Oh, Lord. Yeah. Yeah, that's $43,000. So I think the big stuff. I think the stuff like Kareem Jackson. Yeah.

I think stuff like that. I think it goes to him uh i know you saw this people are upset that blue ivy received criticism about her dance moves early this year but blue ivy used it as motivation blue ivy made her first appearance on stage with a mother in may when beyonce performed in paris theyear-old became concert staple regularly, showing up to dance with her mother's performance, My Power. One revelation from the premiere Renaissance, a film by Beyonce, was how Blue Ivy read some social media comments mocking her dance move. Beyonce said she was dismayed when an 11-year-old read the post criticizing

her lackluster moves. But instead of quitting, she decided to put the work in, train even harder for future stops. People are upset about trolls making fun of 11-year-olds, but they're part of the blessing and the curse of being a child of fame. People pay thousands, thousands

to see that. So, if you let your child... If you open your child up to that... You got to understand. You open your child up to criticism. Yeah, you know what's funny is as a parent myself of 85 kids, I like it.

I like it. I like my kids to be open to criticism at an early age. I want you to understand when you get in that real world and your daddy's not there or your mama's not there, this is how life is going to be. Everybody ain't going to like you. For sure. Everybody ain't going to like you, no matter how nice you try to be, whatever it might be. In the case of Blue Ivy, the fact that she said, oh, I'm not worried about what y'all talking about. I'm finna go do what I've seen my mama do. I love it. I'm finna go work on this. Work. And work and work until I get it right. And what did she do? She got it right. She got better. She was a staple. Every time Beyonce went out there and performed, Blue Ivy was

out there hitting that routine. And I know the routine by heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you think I know. I know the routine. I ain't gonna do the rest of it. I just hit my knuckle on the mic, man. That hurt. That's what you get. Yeah, but I don't understand because you have to understand, Ocho, it's just like

anything. When people play large sums of money, people, okay, that's your child. She better be able to do all the moves you put up in there that's just the way it is i mean i mean i'm being for real yeah i mean you you i know how much look i hadn't been i went to the uh the old the old concert right and i think i and i end up paying like like eight thousand dollars for two seats god damn yes and i'm sure there were more this time around. Right.

And so when people paid that enormous sum of money, you and you put, see, if you put your kids in that situation, you subject them to the same criticism that you will receive. Right. Right. Because they're looking at it like,

okay, she in there. Oh, she must be could do it. She must be. No, this ain't no YMCA. Now these ain't it like, okay, she in there. Oh, she must be could do it. She must be. No, this ain't no YMCA now. These ain't no five and six year olds. Right.

That, you know, they be all being, oh, that's my little angel. Isn't that cute? Oh, hell no. But you mean you're not going to get that type of treatment from the real world anyway. No. If you ain't on point. Oh, you know, they ain't going to spare you no grace now. Right.

Not us. Our people? Right. No, they ain't going to spare you no grace now. Right. Not us. Our people? Oh, no, they ain't going to spare you no grace. But again, the fact that she's able to do what she did

at such a young age, obviously, you know who her parents are. Her parents are two perfectionists. In order to get to perfection, you know what it took to get there. So the fact that she has that

already at 11 years old, oh, man, you ain't looking, you looking at greatness now. Well, that's a call though. Because you got Jay-Z as your dad, you have Beyonce as your mom, the level of expectation

has greatly increased just because of who your parents are. When your mother can dance, well, you ought to be able to do it like she do. Yeah. Ocho, it's just like when parents of uh uh or professional you know his dad played this and his mom did that they automatically expect the child to be great at it right right but you gotta that's what it is you gotta work you gotta work because there's no substitute for you think jay

jay-z obviously he worked at it beyonce didn't come out the womb knowing how to do what she does. She worked on her craft continuously, continuously. And now what you see now is greatness. One of the greatest of all time. Yes, for sure. So I understand both sides. I understand she's just a child. But when you, I mean, people don't not look

and most people aren't going to have in a situation like that not going to have their child up there dancing yeah if the child's not on point because you

subject the child to criticism that would be bestowed an adult because you put them in an adult role right right

that's my take I like it I'm sure people are going to disagree check this out Ocho King Harris T.I.'s son, fights with his parents

on IG Live. A live stream at the Falcons game this afternoon went sideways after King started arguing with his parents. At one point, T.I. could be heard yelling, you're an embarrassment to your family. You're an embarrassment. Later, King

posted, I stand on business. I don't give a F who you are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. King, King, King, man, is up and stuck. He, whatever, he's standing on business. You know what it is. King like that.

That's what the streets told me. They told me King don't even play. He ain't the one. I get that fine and good. But the Bible say, honor thy mother and thy father and your days will be long. But wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Was King raised by his mother and father? Was King raised by his grandmother? Because I'm kind of confused. I'm kind of confused. He said, he said, and I read this, where he said he was raised by his grandmother

and when they shot the show, he would come over there for the show. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, maybe they had some type of special arrangement. You know, everybody's living arrangements is different. Ocho, I was raised by my grandmother and grandfather. My grandma raised me too. I ain't going to be disrespectful To my parents

Oh no Not my mama But you know They gave you life But you know Hurricane Paula Be disrespectful No man Come on bro

Right I mean They Clearly they love you You've done things And they bailed you out They've been there Yeah

And I understand That's what a parent's supposed to do But bro This disrespect Yeah I mean But listen I know you out they've been there yeah and i understand that's what a parent's supposed to do but bro this disrespect yeah i mean listen i know i know you're not about it obviously uncle you you you are raising a different time you know your grandma ain't played at your mom ain't played at uh i know i know tip very well i know tiny very well obviously they don't play that play that either but i think king we don't know what he's going through we don't know what he's going through he you know it might be more than

beneath the surface that we don't know you know there might be some things circulating as a as a child as a teenager wait is he a teenager yet he is a teenager right yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah as a teenager some other things going on because because that rage and that anger that would display while that camera was rolling, that's more than just an argument. That's more than just me being upset. It's more to it than that. I can tell. So I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it.

But as a child, there's something else going on where Chip got to sit him down and talk to him, to him man father the son because it's deepening whatever he was angry about sometimes there have been times that i knew that my grandmother was wrong for real i just eat it but grandma ain't never wrong man i just eat it i just eat it right you just eat it yeah it's okay right because i know in the long run what she's trying to do yes sir and i never felt that my grandmother punished me unnecessarily and i always kept that in the back of my mind right it was always a long game that she was trying to play shannon when you go out in the real world, I want you to be a... Like I said, and I tell people this all the time, the proudest she was was what we

became outside of football. The men, the people that we were, the way we conducted ourselves. And at the end of the day, I am a representative. I am a representation of Barney and Mary Porter. I'm also a representation of my mom and Mary Porter. I'm also a representation of my mom,

Mary Alice Dixon. So I always remember that. That always stuck with me. And my dad also, you know, I named my son after my dad because I only saw my dad once in my life to know who he was. And so I remember we're having to come,

we was at my grandmother's house this was like early like 1981 early and he was going to come home now mind you my grandpa my dad had cancer and so he had it remission but it came back oh joe but this time he had oral cancer so he had to have both of his jaw bones removed so he was going to come home my grandma her name was many but they called a group they called a charlie he called a charlie we called a grandma charlie and he said charlie and she was telling him say uh pete that's what they called him pete his name was wenton they called him pete she said pete come on home them kids want to see you He didn't want to come home because he didn't want us to see him like that. Remember, he had had both of his jawbones removed. And the last time we saw him, I was probably in kindergarten, first grade.

So, hey, I'm about to be 13. So, it's been a long time. And he says, I don't want the kids to see me like this. So, she said, Pete, them kids gonna love you. They just want to see their dad. He say, you know what, Charlie? I'm gonna come home. I'm gonna see him.

And he died before it happened. So I always remember that. And from that point on, there was no more disagreeing with my mom no more argument because life was too short yeah it wasn't so for what because i i really sincerely always believed that my grandmother my grandfather my mother they always had my best interest in mind even though i couldn't see it at the time and when you young you don't because you want what you want you want to do what you want to do what you want to do.

And you want to do it how you want to do it. Yeah, that's why. And that's what the young generation, that's what, there's a lot. Sometimes I see how these kids, and even when I'm in Target or Whole Foods or someplace,

and I see the way kids talk, I'm like, really? Well, it's different now, now. Well, you can't, you can't, listen, one thing about it, you know the rules that's set in place right now, they'll call child service on you so quick, you'll lose your kids. You can't discipline like

they used to discipline us back then? No, no, no. Back in the 80s? No. Man, you won't have a child no more. You can't even, I saw something on Twitter today about kids that are misbehaving. They said that you need to teach your kids to listen because they're not born knowing how to because listening is a skill.

And I never heard it quite put like that before. And it made so much sense because they would tell us to do something and we do the complete opposite. And what do they do to us to make sure or to make sure we don't do it again? Man, go get that switch. Go get that switch off that tree real quick. Yeah.

Or pick up the first thing they can find and hit you with it and that is the way to get us to listen when they tell us to do something. I think the biggest thing is, Ocho,

is that people listen to respond instead of listen to understand. Ooh, that's a good one. My grandfather... Wait, wait, wait. Let me write that down. Let me write that down. Write that down. Gotta write that down That's a good one. My grandfather... Wait, wait, wait. Let me write that down. Write that down. Write that down.

Got to write that down. I need that one. I got to use that with my girl when we fight. Ocho, I remember I was little and it used to break my heart when my grandfather would yell at me and I would start crying.

And my grandmother would always say, Barney, he's just a little fella. Don't yell at him. He would say, Mary, I can only tell him something once because living on a farm and being around machinery and being around these animals, I can't tell him a second time because it might kill him or he might get seriously injured. i have to make sure he understands the first time right so that's kind of how i am with my kids i would talk to him in such a way and i understand and they understand now but they didn't understand then kind of like i didn't understand but now as you got older my kids know everything that I was saying to them was about the long game.

And so that's how and King doesn't understand because we don't think our parents know anything. You don't know what I'm going through. It is different. Social media is a different animal than anything that you, I, our parents, our grandparents never experienced anything like social media. But that doesn't give you an excuse to be disrespectful to your parents.

But the thing is, Ocho, when we grew up, the community raised us. You doing something bad? Miss Martha, Miss Margie, somebody, hey boy, ain't you married, boy? Yes, ma'am. Okay, don't make me tell you down ain't you married boy? Yes ma'am Okay, don't make me tell you down here misbehaving, yes ma'am

Not even that, the people I call it the village the village knows if you do something wrong the village is allowed to spank you For sure! And then when you get home and they tell your parents what you did then your parents spank you too.

So you're getting double whammy. Double. Double. Boy, I remember one time in church. I'll never forget. One time in church, I'm in Sunday school. And I had a dollar. And I wanted to get something from the soda machine.

I wanted to get something from the soda machine. And I asked the lady at the time in church. I said, can't remember her name, uh, sister, whatever it might've been, you know, do you have change for the, I had a dollar bill. Do you have change for a dollar? She said, no, I don't, I don't have change for a dollar, but if I can find 50 cents, I give you half of whatever it might've been, something like that. And I ended up, I ended up or whatever it might have been. It was something like that.

And I ended up, I ended up making, taking a dollar and cutting it in half with scissors, with scissors, trying to be funny. Talk about something. He go half right here,

something. I can't remember the story. I just remember getting my ass whooped once in church for cutting that money in half. And then once, once my grandma

came to church for service at 11 o'clock, I got my ass whooped again. Then I had to get home and my granddaddy done whooped me out. Three times because I'm playing around like I don't know what. Man, I got so many good stories, man. Yeah, but that's the thing though, Ocho. Like I said, I think the, they, but I would learn.

I mean, I was, me and my brother, my grandfather would always say, I remember one night, this had to be 75, 76. Like I said, my brother, my brother, my grandfather slept in the bed and me and my grandmother slept in the bed. And I remember one night he said this so vividly. He said, Mary, I'll probably be dead and grown but them two boys gonna make something he said they so smart they listen he said they listen to everything he said he said they listen to everything and he was talking about that little one that was me he said that little one know enough to be dangerous. Because I could repeat.

He could say something, I could repeat it. Just like that. Because, you know, back then, Ocho, you know, nobody had no cell phone. So my grandfather, he said, hey. Somebody, he was like, okay, Barney, you know what my number is? He said, tell it to the boys. So they would tell me and my brother the number. So when we got home, now we might be gone for another hour or two

we get home he would say hey hey boys what's a such and such number you still remember like we forgetting it wasn't an option right right right right right there was only one way to do thing that was his way and like i said he and that's why i'm so, Ocho, he didn't, mistakes were not acceptable. He didn't make excuses. And that's why you're like, man, you don't. Ocho, I was the youngest cousin. We had, it was five boys, me, Lanny, my brother Spanky, Eugene, and Arnie. I'm the youngest by two years.

So they throw it at waltzes. So my cousin Eugene hit the waltz nest, rest his soul. He passed away about 45 years my cousin Eugene hit the waltz nest rest his soul he passed away about 45 years ago he hit the waltz nest they come down light me up I close

they done stung me in the back of my head I got a pump out of the back of my head why didn't you run? I did run so you know what I did I ran home

and told papa I said papa I was crying I done closed a little tear coming out the eye with your you lip swole got stinging

I said papa they were throwing at them waltzes and they came out and they stung me he looked at me he said you should have run I said papa

I did run he said you should have run fast no excuses right you could never bring that man an excuse home because he wasn't gonna accept it right and from that point anybody that's ever been around me don't make no excuses right either you did or you did did it's really that simple yeah no no no gray area none yeah parenting parenting is completely different, especially in this day and age.

Obviously, with social media, things are different. The kids, our kids, obviously, with me being a father of 85, our kids are exposed to a lot more, a lot faster than we were. And you just got to maneuver different as a parent. You got to maneuver different as a parent. You do. It's unfortunate. Obviously, again, back to the topic at hand uh on on king

and um the disrespect of of of ti and then tiny i think it's deeper i think it's much deeper than what we saw obviously the disrespect isn't isn't right you you really can't do that and obviously ti repeatedly saying you're embarrassing your family and embarrassing yourself you know i i understood where ti was coming from but also as a child, I can empathize, sympathize with King, especially in his day and age with the jokes and people making fun of him online and some of the things that people have said to him after doing my homework, knowing that we were going to talk about this topic, that he can be a little frustrated with some of that stuff and it can get to you. And I think

he was at wit's end. And that's what we saw. I think that's why I said that. Yeah, I think it was a little deeper. That's why I said that. If social media make you, it'll break you. Yeah. Yeah, that it can. And you're looking for assurances

and reassurances and guidance. Validation. And, and, and, and it's not going to work. I just, I just, hopefully he, for me, you know, I just hope that they can one day sit down and have an open and honest conversation and move in a positive manner. Oh, I don't know if you saw this, but I want to, there was two professors and they asked their college class. They said, we're going to give you two options. We got you. You're looking for a job, right?

Oh, they said, we got two options. Option eight, you make a hundred thousand, but all of your coworkers are going to make 200,000. That's option eight. You make a hundred thousand.

All your coworkers make 200,000 option B. You make 50,000. Your coworkers make $200,000. Option B, you make $50,000. Your coworkers make $25,000. 50% chose option B. And what they deduced, people don't want better for themselves. They actively want people to do worse than them. Let that sink in, Ocho.

They were willing to take $50,000 less as long as somebody was worse off than them. Let that sink in, Ocho. They were willing to take $50,000 less as long as somebody was worse off than them. I could care less. I'm going option A. I'm going option A come hell or high water. I don't care what's going on because one thing about it, Unc, I will say it and I will say

it this time and time again. People that are watching me, you will never be able to enjoy what's on your plate as long as you looking and trying to take off somebody else's. Yes. Every time.

Just focus on your plate. Focus on your plate. Focus on the food you got going on, whatever money you got coming in. Find a way to make more money. You always got to lock on to your own. And one of the things I always say is when people always know how

much other people making, that means you ain't making enough. It ain't got to be nothing big. Even if it's coming in small increments, just focus on your own plate, man. Yeah. He said, well, we found out that people

actually care more about others than they do themselves. And you know what irks me when people i hear people say they don't deserve who are you to say god made a mistake in blessing me somebody else i didn't get what i don't get what i deserve i got what i earned yeah you got what you earned what does deserve have to do anything with my hard work. Yeah. People are just like, what's for you? Whatever God has intended for you, I don't care how many stumbling blocks, how many road

blocks, how many obstructions someone tried to place, it ain't going to do nothing. God going to make sure you arrive at that destination and get all of your blessings. Every time. Every time. Every time. I don't I don't concern.

I don't concern myself because the way I look at Ocho, me and his business. When I saw Charles Barkley could be himself, could talk with the dialect that he had, was unapologetically not afraid to make fun of himself. I said, I could do that. I said, I got just a good sense of humor. I can tell stories. I said, I can do that. I'm not, man, why Charles Barkley get all that? I see Michael Strahan on Good Morning America.

I see Stephen A doing what he, I said, I can do that. I say, Stephen A went to an HBCU like me. Michael Strahan went to an HBCU like me. I said, I can do that. I just want somebody to give HBCU like me. I said, I can do that. Yeah. I just want somebody to give me an opportunity to present. Be prepared when the opportunity presents itself. Yeah.

So I don't get jealous of somebody. Man, such and such making $100 million. Okay. He did it. Well, if he made it, that means somebody else can make it. I can make it too. I see people that are making more than me or I see people that are doing well. I see that as motivation. That is inspiring. I'm from Miami. I'm from Liberty City. You know what's motivating to me?

It's very motivating to me, even though we're in two completely different lanes and we live two completely different lifestyles. We live two completely different lifestyles. To see Rick Ross, man. Yes. To know where Rick Ross came from back when we were shorties, when he was at Carroll City. To see what he's done with life and business,

entrepreneurship. Oh, that shit is inspiring, man. That shit is inspiring. I ain't really never even said this before. I'm just saying, I look at that and it just make me want to do more. not do more to do the things that he does, because I will never, ever reach that level. You know, I will never say that level.

But no, only positive. Why not? I mean, he did it. But listen, you know, I mean, you could do it. I'm just saying I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't maneuver that way. I'm not a private jet when I haven't, you know, two, three hundred cars. He don't i don't i don't i don't i don't maneuver that way i'm not a private jet when i haven't you know two three hundred cars he don't have he don't he don't have to do that that's what he wants to do well why can't you why can't you accumulate that and say you know what i'm still

gonna fly what i fly right i i i'm that's where the motivation inspiration part come from you know i just thought that shit is that shit is beautiful to see, man. Sometimes, sometimes I can wake up in the morning, bro. And I just, I just go to the page and just look at it. Like that's just,

that's, that's raw. And it just made me want to get up and just get up and just do something. Like I need, I need, I need more jobs. Well, that's my greatest motivation was my role model was lived in the house with me my brother went to the university of south carolina when he went to the nfl

he's like i said he ate the same food i ate i said he ate possum and raccoon and turtle yeah he went to the nfl whoa whoa whoa whoa come on back come on back to me now a turtle yeah alligator turtle snapping turtle. Yeah. Oh, Joe. And so when I saw him do that, every, every car, my brother got, I got the same car. Yeah. Same color. The only difference was when he got a Ferrari, he got a red one. I got a black one. He got a white Benz. I got a white Benz. Yeah. Every car we had the exact same car. He had an S 500. I got an S 500. He had a SL. I got a white Benz. Yeah. Every car. We had the exact same car. He had an S500. I got an S500.

He had an SL. I got an SL. He got a Ferrari. I got a Ferrari. Yeah. I think that's... That was my motivation. That's dope. That's live.

I'm like, oh, he can do that? Oh, yeah. And when I see Ross and I see these other... Snoop Dogg's another one. Oh, my goodness. I know Snoop. Boy.

I can pick up the phone and call Snoop. I see Snoop. Boy. I can pick up the phone and call Snoop. I see Snoop. He went from gang banging and this and that. He's one of the, he has one of the highest Q ratings of anybody.

Listen, the ultimate rebrand. Ultimate. And this is good. This is good also for the people, the people in the chat, the people that are watching.

You always use, it doesn't even have to be celebrities. It don't even have to be celebrities. No can be, it can be, it can be people at a surface level. Yeah. Just, just little stuff, man. Always using other people as motivation and not hating on them. Not, not hating. Everybody always hating. Everybody always pocket watching or why he do this or why he got that. That shit motivates you to want to do whatever it is and your respective craft it just i don't know man yes i i use love stuff like that just to keep me going just to keep me going

look let's look take little bits and pieces from from other people man that shit is inspiring oh joe i look at it like this i don't need a lot of love yeah i just need love from the people that I love. I don't need the world to love me. I remember my grandma used to say, boy, you don't need anybody to pat you on the back. You got two good damn hands. Pat yourself on the back. Resonated. I think I did a good job. That's good enough for me.

Everybody's not going to be happy with the way I talk, the way I dress, what I say. Hey, I criticize this. Somebody's going to be upset. I talk about this person. Well, I didn't talk about

that person long enough. Well, you said this about Josh Allen, but you didn't say this about Lamar Jackson. You said this about Dak Prescott. You didn't say this about Patrick Mahomes. Bro, you can't please everybody,

nor should you attempt to. Yeah. The hardest job in the world is to try to please 8 billion people. But you'll never be happy. See? You'll never ever be happy. Exactly.

Never ever. And so, yeah, when I see guys, I see a Ross and I see a Snoop Dogg or I see people in my profession, Stephen A, and I see how hard he works and I see Stray and I see how hard he works and I see straight and I see how hard he worked. And I see Charles Barkley and I see Shaq. Man, I'm like, man, I can do that. I see Charles Barkley from Alabama. I'm from rural South Georgia. Shaq grew up in San Antonio.

He was a military kid, moved a lot of different places. But when you talk about what he say, Sarge, he talks about it. He talks about his father, Sarge, yeah you see yeah you know you know it's funny i like that you just said that that two of the most important things that i didn't have growing up two of the most important things i didn't have growing up that grandma always instilled in me my grandfather always tried to instill in me but i constantly constantly, my structure and discipline, I didn't have it in life. I had it on the field. I had it in, I had it in the area where it didn't matter. It took, it took the man, it took the man. Okay. You're not listening. Okay. Okay. Obviously he not seeing the motherfucking science.

Oh, you still doing that, huh? Okay. You know what? Let me sit you, let me sit your black ass down real quick. Let me sit you, let me sit, you know what? Let me sit your black ass down real quick. Let me sit you down real quick. Let me take some of this stuff from you so you can understand you ain't moving right. Nah. Back on track.

The structure and the discipline is in place. The foundation that I need is in place. You know? Hey, without a foundation, shit, what you going to grow? What you going to grow if your foundation ain't solid? No, no, no, you know, and without a foundation, shit, what you going to grow? What you going to grow if your foundation ain't solid? No, no, no, you can't.

And if there's nothing that can stand if the foundation isn't solid. At all. And even if you build a solid foundation on leaky ground, on shaky ground, it still will succumb. Oh, yeah. At some point, every time.

Yeah. Every time. And if you ain't got no structure and discipline, you bound to fall at some point. Yeah.. Yeah. Every time. And if you ain't got no structure and discipline, you bound to fall at some point. Yeah. First of all, without discipline, you will probably quit

and you're not going to be focused. Yeah. Because people like, what's discipline? I said it requires you to do your best when no one's watching. Or how about this? How about all them New Year's resolutions? Everybody in the chat,

all them New Year's resolutions you had in January? Is you still doing them now? How many you stuck with? Don't lie, you know. It's hard for anybody to ascend to a certain level. Forget, I'm not just talking about, I'm not talking about sports. I'm not talking about celebrity fame.

I'm talking about it's hard to ascend to any level of success without discipline. It's hard, Ocho. Yeah. Without structure. Very. This, this, this, this, and this. Even if you're talented, even if you're extremely talented, you've got to have discipline and structure. Got to.

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Georgia will be in the college football playoffs. Yeah. No matter what happens, they can lose a hundred and nothing. They're going, I believe Michigan is going to be Iowa. So there'll be there. There are two,

the three C will Florida State beat Louisville? That's going to be interesting because I believe if Louisville were to beat Florida State, I don't believe Florida State is going to go with one loss because they lost their quarterback, Jordan Travis. Now it comes down. Okay.

Oregon and Washington, right? Yeah, I would say Washington. Yeah, I would have put Washington at three. Because I think Ohio State's at five, right? Or six. Washington beat Oregon. So who do they play for the Pac-12 title? Okay.

So the question is, Ocho. Top four. Excuse me. If Oregon beats Washington, Washington beat them early. I think you have to take Oregon, but then Washington says, well, we beat them. So we got one loss. I think the unknown, let's just say for the sake of argument, if Alabama beats Georgia, does Alabama jump someone? We know that's not going to happen.

Alabama is squeezing out lucky wins, Hail Marys. By the grace of God, the football gods blessing them, they're not beating Georgia. You thought that with Bryce Young? When Bryce Young went down there and beat them. You not beating Georgia. You thought that you thought that when Bryce Young when Bryce Young went down there and beat them. You remember when Bryce Young beat them?

That was a much much better much better Alabama team. Offensively and defensively. But they think they're a little different now. I think when it's all said and done

I think it'll be Georgia Michigan Washington Oregon Nah. Washington. Oregon. Nah, Washington. Washington already beat Oregon.

Yeah, but they played for the Pac-12 title. And they're going to beat them again. It's easy if Washington beats them again. It's a foregone conclusion. They're undefeated. They're going to beat them again. They're going to beat them again. There's too much firepower over there.

Man, hey, that Bo Nix. You got too much firepower. Bo Nix playing, though, man. Yeah, Bo Nix playing, but the Huskies, they special. They special. So, I'm gonna go Alabama. I'm gonna go Georgia, Michigan. I'm gonna take the Ducks.

I'm gonna take the Ducks. I'm gonna take the Ducks. Who your number four, then? I'm going to take the Ducks. I'm going to take the Ducks. I'm going to take the Ducks. And... Who your number four then? Don't say Alabama. Where is Ohio State? Florida State. But here's the thing.

I think Louisville is going to beat Florida State. What? Hold on. Let me plug my computer up. I'm in the red. Because they play for the championship, right?

ACC. Well, here's the thing, Ojo. Will the committee take a one-loss team over an undefeated team in the college football playoff. You know what?

Now, look. The committee got all kind of crazy rules. I think Georgia and Michigan's going regardless. Right. Oh, yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Because I think from start to finish, they've been the two most dominant teams.

But if Florida State loses And say Well obviously if Washington beats Oregon, Oregon that's two losses They're done, Washington's in So now Ohio State has one loss Texas Texas plays Oklahoma State

What happens to Boca See I don't think with two losses I don't think anybody, they didn't take Alabama last year With two losses, so I don't think with two losses, I don't think anybody, they didn't take Alabama last year with two losses. So I don't think any two loss team is going to make it. Nope. You know what?

I'm just going to say pie in the sky. I'm going to say Georgia, Michigan, Washington, Oregon. I'm going Bama. I'm going Bama. Roll Tide.

I hate to say it, but I'm going to say Roll Tide. All right. Roll Tide. I hate to say it, but I'm going to say Roll Tide. All right. Roll Tide. Unculture J donated $10. Hey, Unc, I was in Savannah this weekend. I ate at Carrie here. You're just curious. When was the last time you ate at Carrie? Ate there.

Three weeks ago. Three weeks ago when I was in Savannah, we went there and we got it to go. I got the fried chicken, white meat, fries. I don't know what Jordan got. He got some fish. Something fish. He always gets some fish.

Thinking of people causing it. What's the name of it? Carrie Hilliard. Okay. Okay. I'll be swinging to it with nice Jacob donated $20 and asked oh use your third blessing to slide in the dock Dio but here's the thing as a sniper when a sniper shoots nobody hears it nobody Nobody knows it. Just target down.

Just target down, Ocho. Go ahead and talk, man. I ain't gonna say nothing. I like that one. I can aim. Matter of fact, hold on. But I could not fire. Let me write that one down right there, boy. Yeah, when a sniper shoot, nobody.

Yeah, I'm stealing all them Vincent R donated $10 and asked Unky Nocho who do you believe are your top five greatest boxers of all time and love your show looking forward to it every

day top five all time hey Ali okay Floyd Mike Tyson Top five, all time. Ooh, hey, Ali. Okay. Floyd, Mike Tyson. Boy, there's so many greats, man. There's a squeeze in that five, boy.

There's so many greats. Sugar Ray Robinson would be at the top. That's your one? Yeah. Ooh, that's a good one. I think Armstrong. Yeah. Ooh, that's a good one. I think Armstrong.

Um, I mean, cause and it, it, it might be preference too, based on who you like. It is. And who you saw.

Yeah. And who you saw. Cause, uh, you know, I saw a prime Roy Jones and I thought he was the greatest box I'd ever seen.

Um, I saw prime Sweet Pea, Sweet Pea Whitaker. I don't know if you remember Sweet Pea. Yeah, of course, of course. Best defense. Yeah. He was Floyd with defense before Floyd. The Brown Bomber, Joe Lewis. But you know, back in the old days oh joe them guys would fight

10 10 times 12 times a year yeah guys were having 180 fights in a career it's different now yeah um i don't know i only named three i said floyd for me muhammad ali mike tyson i need two more i'm trying to think it's so it's so many good ones man the squeezings of that five sugar ray robinson is is top five for me yeah joe lewis is top five for me um i'll put floyd in there uh 50 and 0 and the amount of champions that he did beat. I think that goes Ali had the biggest impact. But you know, a lot of times getting in is the easy part is getting out. That's the hard part part. Yeah. And sometimes these boxes we see they should have left and it kind of kind of ruins the image that we have of them yeah um man that's a good one it is i mean because you know all you hear is stories about jack johnson um yeah some of some of the you know i wasn't able to watch watch you know some of the people you named fight. Obviously, they were great ones during their time, during their era.

I caught, I've seen enough of Muhammad Ali. I've seen enough of Floyd. I've seen enough of Mike. Yeah. I mean, Marvin Hagler. I came up in the 80s with the Four Horsemen. Listen, Sugar Ray Leonard. Yeah.

No, Tommy Hearns. I thought, that's hard, man. George Foreman. You got Lennox Lewis. I mean, you got so many, so many greats. Yeah, it's kind of hard to just, like, rank the boxers. You probably have to put them in a category of weight class. Right.

The five best heavyweights, the five best, you know, welterweights, middleweights, you know, flyweights, the five best, you know, welterweights, middleweights, you know, flyweights, because it's just, it's too hard to rank just like, okay,

because it's just, it's just hard. It's not like basketball. You know what I'm saying? You can just rank basketball, you know, you know, football is a little hard

because like, okay, because you kind of want to gear towards offensive players. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Unless you are LT that transcends

because the TJ Watts and all these guys, the Vaughn Millers and all these guys, the Derek Thomas, the Cornelius Bennett, all that because of LT. I think, you know, I know who my favorite boxer is. Now, he might not have been the best according to his record,

but his style and his entertaining style of fighting would be equivalent to me on the football field. Emmanuel Augustus. Not familiar. Emmanuel Augustus, they call it. His nickname was the Drunken Master. Now, if you watch, if you Google him or you watch some of his youtube youtube stuff you'll understand why he's my favorite now he wasn't obviously from record wise he wasn't the best but entertainment value he reminded me of prince

he's like prince nassim and i was gonna say that's who reminds me of you prince nassim yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but for those two those two right there from an entertainment aspect man two two of my favorites man two of my favorites to be able to be able to as difficult as boxing is which i consider boxing to be the most difficult sport there is for them to be able to entertain the way they do in the ring, I just would love to see what their conditioning was like to prepare for a fight because that shit they do was crazy.

Yeah. Crazy. Oh, yeah. You ain't got to tell me. I know. Patrick Rendon donated $20 and asked, Shannon, if it's true,

you recited Derek Thomas' girlfriend phone number in the middle of the game. Because, DT, no one heard what I said or didn't say, and he's not here to refute it. I just let that go.

All I will say this is that I've made peace with DT before he passed, and he and I are in a good spot. So I'm gonna leave it at that. No place underscore like underscore homes donated. It was a shame you were not a first ballot Hall of Famer. What were your thoughts going in the year you got called up?

And how did you feel once you were called up? After I didn't get in on the first two times, I just like, I really didn't have a whole lot of expectations. on the first two times, I just like, I really didn't have a whole lot of expectations. I know my grandmother had started to get her health was starting to deteriorate even more, Ocho, and I at

least wanted her to me to be able to tell her, Granny, I'm in the Hall of Fame. And I remember when I got that call, and I called her, I said, Granny, I made the Hall of Fame. And you know, she's like, well, what's that, call her I said granny I'm I made the hall of fame and you know she's like well what's that baby I say uh I say granny that's where all the all the good players go when they retire she say uh oh we that that show lives nice I sure hope I'm around to see it I say you will be

granny you will be now my grandmother passed a month before the actual ceremony. And I believe that was her way because my grandmother knows she couldn't go and hear me give that speech in that present body. She couldn't see me give that speech in that present body. She had to leave, Ocho. She had to leave in order to hear and see me give that speech and to give her her moment. Because as I explained to the people, I say, you see this man that did this bust? He went to school to learn how to do this, to turn a bronze or wood into a figure. Me, I didn't go to school to give Mary Porter a face.

I say this, God gifted me with this to be able to paint a picture so when I'm done, you know exactly who Mary Porter is and know exactly how she looks. So to be able to call her and to give her like, I did it.

We did it. I called my brother. Say, bro, we did it. Called my sister. She was crying. Called my mom. Called my homeboy, Bucket and Burns. It was great.

I mean, you know, it's... I mean, I didn't think about no Hall of Fame. I'm a seven-round draft pick, bro. I'm just trying to make some money. I'm just trying to get my girl... You know, keep my grandmother from having to go to work and not have to wash, you know, clean people's house or anything.

Go fishing when she want to. I wasn't thinking about no Hall of Fame. I just wanted to play... I just wanted... Yay. go to work and and not have to watch you know clean people's house or anything uh go fishing what you want to i wasn't thinking about no hall of fame i just wanted to play i just wanted yay if i could say i played five three five years in the nfl low choke i told people i told people i was going to the nfl i ain't say i was gonna play 25 years i said i'm going to the nfl play the league right well i did that and so man man, it was an unbelievable feeling. It's not who I am. It's what I did. And so sometimes

people, you know, well, they don't send checks for people to make the Hall of Fame. It's an unbelievable honor. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that it's not. But it didn't change me. I'm still Shannon. I'm still, you know, my homeboys, my kids. I'm still the same. It didn't change me yeah i'm still shannon i'm still you know my homeboys my kids i'm i'm still the same it didn't change me one way ocho but it's an unbelievable honor

poster child donated ten dollars and said hey ocho who do you think's winning the epl this year shout out from san diego uh epl this year you don't know much about soccer, but right now, listen, Arsenal. Arsenal's doing really well. Arsenal's doing really well obviously at the top of the table right now. After today's win. Did they have a replay for Arsenal? Yeah, that was...

Don't worry about it. I see you. Yeah, but listen, Man City. Holland is the guy now. Who? Holland. Yeah. There you go.

Somebody just sent you that stuff, man. Ain't nobody doing nothing. Ain't nobody doing nothing. Somebody just sent you that stuff. Yeah, Arsenal at the top of the table right now. Hopefully, Arsenal can actually keep a lead and stay at the top of the table and not let Man City overlap them towards the end of the season.

So we'll see what happens. Okay. Hey, you know what? Somebody sent me something. Why you getting on show? Because I know somebody sent it to you. Ain't nobody said nothing. Somebody sent that to you.

Ain't nobody said nothing on show. No, no, no. You don't know about no soccer, man. Sean Camp donated $10 in the ass. Oh, Prime has a tight end coach vacancy. Any interest? Shout out from Kanye. Zero interest.

I don't have the patience. I don't. I don't. I don't have the patience, bro. I can't go over something all week. We meet about it. We practice it. We're going to go over the night before the game,

and then you F it up. I'm going to lose it. John John Marshall donated. He said, pardon my interruption. Yo, Ocho, I'm having a live debate on chat how you're a better receiver

than Steve Smith. Can y'all please opine on this? I don't know about that one, Ocho. We all good. I don't know about that one. I mean, what are we going to debate? I don't know, Ocho. We make a case.

You got to make a case. I'm the judge. I'm the judge. You got to make a case. You got to present a case in front of my court. I don't need to make no case. I'm Ocho. You Ocho judge. You got to make a case. You got to present a case in front of my court. I don't need to make no case. I'm Ocho. You Ocho?

Steve Smith was that boy, man. You know, me and Steve, we go way back to junior college. You know, he played a little longer than I did, but he was that boy. How long did he play? 15 or 16 years? I don't know.

He played for a little minute. I don't know. Yeah, because he went to Baltimore. He played like three, four years in Baltimore. What did he play? Because Smitty came out in 01. Because my last Pro Bowl was he was a rookie and he was the returner for the NFC. Yeah. He played 16.

Yeah. Yeah. He played 16? Yes. God. Yes. Damn. Yeah, boy was nice. JVL NC donated $5. Asked, from a single father with two little boys, how did you instill value and discipline in your children during the season or when you couldn't be there?

Ooh. That was the moms. Why was that? Get rid of the say. Because their mom told them. Your dad not lenient like mom. Your dad is only going to tell you something one time. That's it.

And he's going to talk to you in a tone. That you're not used to hearing. So. The kids were on their best behavior. It wasn't until they got to be teenagers, but the kids really know it was just my oldest because my oldest, she lived with me her junior and senior year. because my oldest, she lived with me her junior and senior year. So she's a 16, 17 year old female going through all of what they go through. She won't what she won't. She's strong will.

And so, you know, we have to have a lot of conversations. And, you know, one of my favorite lines, Kayla, don't make daddy lose his job. Don't make daddy lose his job. But, it's because you hate Ocho because during the season,

you know, they would come out early, come out for a couple of games before it got too cold. And, you know, back then, you know, I would have to,

you know, they were good. Uh, my sister would either fly, would fly to, to bring them or, uh, my son,

my, my girlfriend would, would, would go get him. And his mother was great about like, okay, I trust you. You trust her with our son. So, you know, back then, you could walk the kid,

you walked out and what? No, you didn't have to, you had to have a ticket. She walked the kid. My ex would get off the plane, get him, you know, do their pleasantries and get back on the plane and bring him and then you know i had to work so you know she's she's handling that or you

know come time for trick-or-treat she take him to the facility you know she go get him you know go get him a costume and take him to the facility so but it's it's tough it's tough when you're not there full time and you want things a certain way and that's not the way because think about Ocho 90% of the time they do it a different way than what they would do it with you yeah and they young they four five eight years old they're like well man I well, man, I've been doing it. I've been doing it like this forever. Why can't you do it like this now? Right.

Yeah, that's funny. The discipline and the morals and the understanding, the value of a dollar, all those other things. Obviously, when I was in season, one of the things that I mean, I see it from time to time on here. The importance of those you have kids from the the importance of being on the same page with those that you have kids from and in understanding as long if you two are on the same page everything else is easy especially when it comes to getting the kids to understand right from wrong understand the value of a dollar, understanding the life lessons and why things are why they are.

It makes life so much easier when it's done that way instead of always being combative, instead of always arguing and then always arguing where you get the child. It causes so much mess we definitely try to make it we we definitely try to you know not to argue in front of the kids yeah didn't always work out like that because you know hey you got your point you want to get your point in i want to get my point in right right um but when it came down to it, you know, well, what do they want for Christmas? I get it. No, they don't need that. No, no. Get it.

Yeah. And so it was hard. But as they started to get older, I started to get less and less of what they wanted for Christmas. You're not going to get 15 Christmas gifts and everyone that you want. You're not going to get that because it doesn't work like that in the real world. and everyone that you want, you're not going to get that because it doesn't work like that in the real world.

So as they started to get older, you have to explain, nah, you're not getting this, this and this because somebody else got that. Okay, that's fine. No. So as they got older,

you try, you could explain it. They understood. But they're like, but daddy, you make, yeah, daddy make, you don't. That's the difference. You know, the but daddy, you make, yeah, daddy make, you don't. That's the difference. The funny thing, the older they get,

for me, I already got all my Christmas lists already from all the kids. The older they get, the smaller the list gets, and just a little bit more pricey. Yeah, thank you. They don't want 15 things. They want two things that cost more than those 15 things.

Yeah. Oh, I done got the list than those 15 things. 15. Yeah. Oh, I done got the list. I done got the list. You got yours already? Already. Yeah. Already. Already.

Already. But I like to get that out the way. I said, don't wait till the last minute. And then they don't have it. And then you're going to talk about, well, they don't have it. I promise you, whatever you put on this list, you're not the only one that want it. Yeah, most definitely.

So just to make sure you're able to get what you want or a close facsimile of it. My son really easy to shop for now because he got my grand. All he think about is stuff for the baby. I'm like, y'all easy. Yeah. Y'all easy. I like that right here. He getting most

of the stuff anyway. Y'all ain't getting y'all little gift card. Y'all gonna be opening presents to New Year's. All the stuff he gonna get. Jerry Lee donated $50,000. Fate of the universe is on the line.

Tom Brady's at the helm and humanity needs a touchdown to live. Fourth and goal at the 10. Up and Ocho lined up out wide. One-on-one, no safety. Brady throws the ball. Who saves the world? Who gets us killed? Yeah.

If I'm guarding you, Ocho, I'm sorry, Ocho. Ocho, I'm sorry. You guarding me? I'm guarding you. Ocho, I'm sorry, Ocho. Ocho, I'm sorry. You guarding me? I'm guarding you. Well, then you done. Ocho, I hate to do this to you, Ocho. You done, boy, you done, man.

If the world, the world. Yes. For one, my specialty, my specialty is beating, bumping, running. So, Ocho, Ocho, holding, running. Hold on. Do you hear what he's saying? You said you guard me. It's fourth and goal at the 10. I'm not going to press you.

Well, you definitely ain't going to play off. You really done. I'm playing off. You in no man's land. You can't play. I'm right where I want to be. No, you're not. Yes, I am.

Yes, I am. No, I'm not. The world is saved. And I'm going to tell you the world is saved for the ball snap. Mm-mm. Yeah. Mm-mm. I'm going to line up five yards and I'm looking at the quarterback.

By the time you look at the quarterback and get your ass back on me, I'm going to be gone. Look here. It's fourth and goal. All I got to do is keep you at the end zone. Yeah, all right. It sounds good. That's what everybody said. That's what everybody said when I was playing, too. I just got to keep you at the end zone.

I'll put that soup bone on you. I don't see that. I'm putting that soup bone on you. I'm going right through that. Ocho, just imagine I'm a bigger Rebus. You're who? I'm a bigger Rebus. I'm a bigger Rebus. You're who? I'm a bigger Rebus.

I'm a bigger Rebus. Ever. You talking about what? You talking about butthead and Beavis? I'm a bigger Rebus. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho.

Ocho, you know if I hate. Ocho, I got to do it, put these clamps on you. I touch you, it's over for you. I don't even get touched. I just... Rebus touch, put these clamps on you. I touch you, it's over for you. I don't even get touched. I just... Revis touched you. Revis pressed you. No, no, I didn't get touched at the line.

The ball just wasn't complete. Nah, Revis. I was like, man, Revis did this to man here? Nah, I see. There you go lying now. I'm just saying. You can turn on the film. Ocho.

Ocho. That right where you going? Mm-mm. I'm going to have you right there, all up in your collar like that right there, Ocho. You're too little anyway, man. I'm going to talk you out your game, so I know. Put fourth and goal on the pin. I know I'm scoring.

Ocho, you do realize I'm a professional talker, right? Yeah, what you mean? I wrote the book on talking. Ocho, I was... I wrote the book on talking trash. Not only did I write the book, I walk it when I talk it, too. Ocho, I read the...

I wrote the preface. Is that the first part? So you... Okay, you wrote a couple chapters. But the first thing they read... Read, read, read, read, read the content. Read the contents.

Ocho. Ocho, come on, Ocho. You don't know what I do. Ocho. They already voted me. Ocho, they already voted me, Tom. Ocho, come on, Ocho. You don't know what I do. Ocho, they already voted me. Ocho, they already voted me top. Ocho? No, I'm the number one trash talker of all time.

What you talking about? Yes, I am. Pull up the list. You want to see the list again, Ocho? Nah, that boo-boo ass. No, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that because it's boo-boo because you're not number one

and I ain't number one either, but I'm higher than you. Trust me. The people that know, know. The people that know, know. The people that know, know. The people that know or need to know, they know. What they know, Joe? The greatest, not only talker, but entertainer of all time,

is sitting on the other side of this lens. They're looking at him. They know who it is. Yeah, right here. Right here. My hair ain't done, so I had to wear a skull cap. Who got hair?

You ain't got no hair? I got hair. Oh, man, you know what? I'm going to the game tomorrow. What game? The Philly Lakers game. Oh, yeah, yeah. I got to do inside the NFL, but I'm flying to the game tomorrow what game the Philly Lakers game cause you know I got to do

inside the NFL but I'm flying in a day early yeah to go to the game I'm sitting court side when's the game come on I'm

shoot I what 730 it's my first game for the year Chad Chad they voted you

18th best trash talker all time and again who you think who you think who you think for the year. Chad, they voted you 18th best trash talker of all time. And them, again, who do you think made that? The same people that be voting

for pro are all pro team? You ain't had no problem when they voted you all pro? You didn't say these people don't know what the hell they doing? They don't know what they doing. Ask the people that played the game who the number one trash talker of all time is. Not no voters. I ain't talking about no voters. They ain't never what they're doing. Ask the people that played the game who the number one trash talker of all time is. Not no voters. I ain't talking about no voters.

They ain't never played no football. Don't do that, Ocho. Now you're trying to diminish me to top five. You're trying to diminish me. I'm not trying to diminish you. You're trying to undermine me. Ask the people that actually played the game with us who the greatest talker and entertainer of all time is.

Who called the National Guard on the Patriots? Huh. Who called the National Guard on the Patriots? Huh? Who called the National Guard on the Patriots? That was you. That was cool. That was alright. Did you hear what the man asked me? The man just asked me a question. You heard the man ask me. I'm the only man that get

30 yards. I get 30 yards. I got 30 yards of penalties on one drive. You ever did that? I got fine three million. I got 30 yard on one drive. You ever did that? I got fined three million. I got three million in fines throughout my career. You ain't got no fine on three million dollars. Total? What we at?

Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We at... What we at? We at 346 652. Y'all trying to take all my little money. at, where we at? We at 346-652. Woo! Woo! Y'all trying to take all my little money.

I ain't going to have no money this month. You can take my money. It's the holidays. I don't even care. That's why I need my money. It's the holidays. I done got my Christmas shopping out the way. I ain't got mine.

Shoot, I finished Christmas shopping in August. You late. Hey, you know, mom, sister, brother, three kid, grandkid. Well, you don't want me to name all my kids. Don't do that. Yeah, I know. You ain't.

Boy, you got it easy. That's why I got mine. I just give my mom and sister money. That's it? That's it. you get what you want yeah I don't know why I mean it's Christmas it's Christmas every month for them

yeah hey that's you wear the crown no you know I just think the thing at this juncture the last thing

my sister because she had the most important job because she had to be there and protect the most important asset, which was our grandmother. So my mind and my brother's mind

could be at ease. Right. She gave up whatever she might have wanted to become or what she wanted to do to make sure her granny was taken care of.

Right. So for that, there ain't no price tag. We've been taking care of my sister. my sister hadn't had a job since she had the late 80s i like taking care of great that was a job that's her job okay whatever granny needs whatever time of the night whatever it is hey you have that. That's live. And for that, you'll never have to work a day in your life. That's live. My mom,

well, she had the most important job. She gave birth to me. So her job, she getting royalties for the rest of her life of what she did in 1968.

You know how people say they catalog? Well, how about catalog? Yeah. And then my brother, hey, you know, he stray too.

You got any brothers on show? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chauncey, I know he, I know Chauncey probably, probably watching Sam. You got any sisters? Yeah. Shan, yeah, yeah. Chauncey, I know he, I know Chauncey probably, probably watching Sam. You got your sisters? Yeah, Shanita. Got my sister Shanita.

Yeah, that's it. How many sisters you got? That's it. So it's four of y'all? Yeah, yeah. Where you fall at in the rank? Shoot, number two? I mean, we all in on 46, 46, 45.

Yeah, right, right, right down the road. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Ocho, you need to stop this, though, man. Man, you know, every time people say, man, Ocho be trying to set you up, you need to let Ocho set you up with such and such.

Set you up with, man. Bro! No! What? What's wrong? What's wrong with? What you scared of? Ocho, they ain't ready for me. I'll be on them diamonds, Ocho.

So, you know, leave me alone. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Like, I listen to rap, but I don't listen to much rap to where I understand. But if I'm not mistaken,gan estallion yeah her music

most of the time the people when you rap you rap about things that you know and experiences that you do yeah and you be talking about that that diamond i don't think that's really going to work that's the point of her name The point of her being a stallion, it supersedes anything that you're saying. So I think... I know she's good. Are you scared? No, but I understand, Ocho.

My grandpa used to say, boy, they can look down longer than you can look up. They look up longer than you can look down. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yes, sir. But hey, I have a stretch down like a quarter to three. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yes, sir. But hey, I have a stretch down like a quarter to three. You know what I mean, Ocho? Don't play with me. Ocho, you better stop playing with me, Ocho.

Huh? Bear, please. Man, I'm the Ocho boy here. Man, I got that liquid down on me. I keep that liquid on me now. A quarter to what? A quarter to three. Meg, I know you're going to see this.

Meg, I know you're going to see this. Hey, I got three ways. Do it to her three ways, Ocho. Deep, hard, and continuously. That's all I got three ways, Ocho. Deep, hard, and continuously. That's all I got, boy, Ocho. You better stop playing. Meg. Meg, I know you're going to see this.

Meg ain't going to see nothing. Meg, I know you're going to see this, Ocho. We're going to edit this out. Man, listen. Meg. Punk right here, man. I'll let him. I ain't got to say nothing. I ain't got to say he's shooting his shot.

I ain't going to shoot no shots. Man, look here, man's shooting his shot. I ain't no shooting no shots, man. Man, look at it, man. You know, we just having some fun, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all, yeah. That's how it start. It start with fun. I'm opening up like saloon doors.

You better stop. Ocho, boy, y'all don't know about O'Shea. Boy, O'Shea was hell when he was well. I believe my lip. You know, my walk a little off right now, but you know, I still do a little something here and there. Hey, listen. What?

Nah, you already had, you got a bad hip. They think good. Ooh, no, they good, Ocho. They good now, Ocho. Let me hit Meg people, man. No, you don't need to hit Meg people good now, Ocho. Let me hit Meg, people, man. No, you don't need to hit Meg, people. You don't need to hit Meg, people.

I don't want no problem, Ocho. I just, you know, we ain't mean you. We just chewing the fat. No, don't get scared now. No, I'm scared. No, don't get scared now. I'm scared. Just pop that diamond.

That's it. I got 100 milligrams of liquid now. That liquid, that liquid, now they don't do the pill. They got that liquid, that thing fast acting. Yeah.

Yeah, man. Okay, okay. I got it. I mean, I would, I ain't got to try that, but you know, I just, whatever works, whatever works, whatever works. I ain't got to try that but you know Whatever works It worked I ain't got that yet

It worked Yeah What you laughing about Joe What I do now Hey you gonna get me in trouble man What I do I just listen I'm just trying to... Listen, I'm just... I don't know.

I threw my hands up on you. I ain't bothering nobody. I thought I got that text told me keep it cute. My bad. No, I'm good. I'm good. Yeah, that's all we do. We keep it cute on here. Yeah, I ain't got nothing. Yeah, we gonna... You ain't got to say much. I'm going to take the cue. You know, I'm going to do what I need to do on my end, we gonna, you know, you ain't gotta say much.

I'm gonna take the cue. I'm gonna do what I need to do on my end, man. Make sure Meg get to you. But she gonna see this. Shoot, Meg might be watching. Yeah, that's, that got a nice little ring to it. Unc'n the Stallion.

Man, Meg needs to good. Man, you see how Meg be bouncing on knees, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I seen that. I seen that. Like Baron Sanders knees. You know how bad knees be curtain? A bad knee. She got good knees. You got bad hips.

She got good knees. That's a perfect match. Man, Ocho. Ocho, I'm kidding. How she gonna be stretched out, Ocho. Ocho, I'm coming out. How's she going to be stretched out, Ocho? Like a quarter to three? Hey, you better stop playing, Ocho. Man, thank y'all for joining us for another

episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Guys, you've been unbelievable. Somehow, I got a feeling that Ocho and I are going to have to get off our 10 to 20 bands by tomorrow. That's fine. You definitely going to put us over 350 by tomorrow. Somebody call Meg.

Call me. Oh, mercy. Y'all make sure me get this. Look here man, look here, Ocho. Man, we just having fun, Ocho. Listen, nah, it all started with fun. Like, Shirell slid in my DM as fun. He sent them my ads.

You see what we had now? A child later, two, two. Nah, don't do that. It all started as fun. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho, I ain't bothering nobody, Ocho. I'm just a 55-year-old granddad

just trying to find my way in the world. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Don't fold that. Don't fold that. I believe you, Ocho. You see what I'm saying? He say, nope. Nope.

I ain't got nothing for you. Nope. Nope. I ain't got nothing for you. I ain't got nothing for you. I ain't got nothing for you, Ojo. We're going to get you right, though. We're going to get you right, baby.

You ain't too old now. We're going to get you right. I ain't too old? Nah, you ain't too old now. You ain't too old. Oh, Lord have mercy. Yeah, we got to go, Ojo. I got to go to work in the morning. What happened? Stephen A. and Molly are going to be in studio. We're in L. now. We ain't too old. Yeah, we got to go, Joe. I got to go to work in the morning. Steven and Molly are going to be in the studio.

We're in L.A. tomorrow. Okay, okay, okay. Y'all handle that, man. Shoot. I got a fight in the morning, man, in Philly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you have some talk back about the game. Because the game is at what?

4 o'clock? 4.30? Nah. I think the game is at 4.30. Your time. Like 7.30, 8.30. One of them. I don't know. I just want to30? Nah. I think they gave it 4.30. Like 7.30, 8.30. One of them. I just want to sit on this. I'm sitting

course. I just want to heckle them boys. And talk shit. Man, you ain't going to do nothing. 5.15? No, I'm saying the basketball game. You're going to the basketball game. The Lakers and the Sixers. I think that's at 4.30 my time.

What time? I think that's at 4.30 my time what time is it? I think it's at 4.30 normally East Coast games at 4.30 right? it's at 4 o'clock 4 o'clock thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap make sure you click that like button.

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