Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Aaron Rodgers dominates, last chance for Bryce Young, Mel Kiper's terrible idea

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocino" Johnson react to Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets beatdown of the New England Patriots on Thursday Night Football. Later, they discuss Bryce Young needing to gain some confidence with Carolina, Mel Kiper's crazy call to ban two-high safety defenses and much more!03:18 - SHOW STARTS05:10 - Jets beat Patriots22:05 - Bryce Young comments37:18 - Tom Brady on relationships with receiver s48:12 - Mel Kiper wants 2 high safety look gone54:35 - Dan Cambpell selling his home(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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bunk and Ocho nightcap out grow immensely. And we thank you for your loyalty and your support. Oh Joe, you watched this game last night. We didn't think it was going to be much, but the jets did a great job. Aaron Rogers looked unbelievable. Aaron Rogers, 281 passing yards, two touchdowns, the jazz defense recorded seven sacks and at the end, Drake may got an opportunity to play. And you know what? It might be a thing, a sign of things to come because you kind of know what you're going to get with your Kobe Brissette. You just wanted the real thing to sit, learn a little bit.

You was kind of hoping probably Brissette could get a little farther into the season, no joke, but it doesn't look like it. But you know what you're going to get your Jacobi Brissette. He's not changing anybody's life, but give the Jeff credit tonight. They look really good. Aaron Rodgers look good. Like he normally do like he normally does. Now he looks like the Aaron Rodgers that we saw in Green Bay. Yes, he does. What did you like? What did you like most about what you saw from the Jets tonight? I mean, you know what I like?

What I saw most from the Jets is the consistency of their offense. Now, there was a little low, obviously, in the third and fourth quarter, but their first and second quarter, they look good going up and down the field, being able to run the ball, having a consistent balance of run and pass. Yeah. Gerald Wilson looks very good. Yeah. Mike Williams looks good. going up and down the field, being able to run the ball, having a consistent balance of run and pass. Gerald Wilson looks very good. Michael Williams looks good.

The running game looks good. Now this is the Jets that people were expecting to see if Aaron Rodgers didn't get hurt last year. So with him being healthy, now he made me a little nervous sometimes, every time he scrambled outside that damn pocket and they go goddamn running, I'm like, it's like I'm holding my breath a little bit

But again, some that other quarterback he did learn like to every time he got out the pocket was the first thing and Roger did Get down first get a first get down Be first get down. But other than that man, they look phenomenal in that defense Yeah, you know they didn't look good last week Yeah this week they look much better. And the fact that this Patriot team that I just saw tonight, beat my goddamn Bengals at home.

Yeah. Week one, I don't know what's going, I don't know what, you know what is going on. But listen, if you're a Jet fan, if you're in the chat, you're a Jet fan, even if you're not a fan of Aaron Rodgers, because of some of all the extracurricular activities he talks about and does off the field. The young man, this is a reason why they put it with his bullshit. And he gave the example of that tonight.

Yeah, Ocho, when I watched this game, I'm looking at the Patriots and I'm thinking to myself, y'all had a game plan for Tom Brady. I can't run. The last thing you want to do is let Aaron Rogers get outside the pocket and throw the ball. That's where he's most dangerous. He made his bones. He's a four time league MVP. Yes, Aaron Rodgers can throw the ball from the pocket. He's one of the most prolific throwers of the football

that we've ever seen. But he's most dangerous outside of the pocket. That's what you do to a Tom Brady. You force Tom Brady off his mark. Yes, Tom is accurate outside of the pocket. That's what you do to a Tom Brady. You force Tom Brady off his mark. Yes, Tom is accurate outside of the pocket, but he's not as accurate outside of the pocket as he is in the pocket. Aaron Rodgers is the flip side. Yes, Aaron can beat you from the pocket, but you would much rather have him because you don't want to give him that kind of time once he escapes the pocket. Now he can't run like he was. He could run like he could when he was 2832.

He's 40 now. We understand that. But his arm is still just as dangerous. And if you let him buy time outside of the pocket. And we know this about Aaron, if you study this career, he loves throwing the ball to the tight end. And his tight end came up with some big catches on third down to keep the chains going. Give him an opportunity to stay on the field, get three more downs.

But I didn't really like the game plan of the Patriots because they, they, they, they let Aaron get outside to his left. They let him get outside to his right. That is a game plan that you have for a stationary quarterback, a Tom Brady, a Peyton Manning or Kirk Cousins. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't worried about y'all going nowhere. So I'm just going to make sure I'm gonna get you off your mark in the pocket. But when you look at that, you look at them, they ran the ball. OK, not great. Not great. Not great. They ran the ball. OK. The defense did what they're supposed to do. What I think was an overmatched team.

You're dominating. You're dominating. That's what you're supposed to do. A team that you're better than, you're supposed to come out of the game feeling that you're better than. Not like, man, I wish we had played better. We're supposed to beat that team by X amount of points. So when you're playing somebody and you're better, damn near across the board,

this is what you're supposed to do. They missed the field goal. And I'm sure there's some things that Aaron and the offensive staff is gonna look at, like, you know what, guys? We probably should have had another 10 14 points? Yeah You know, we feel a lot. I mean we feel good, but we feel a lot better about ourselves I think that's the thing that the coaches that I really appreciate about a lot of the coaches that I played for Ocho that even when we won the game

He's like we don't go back and watch the film because there are some things that we can do a lot better To make sure that we're clicking on all cylinders. Everything's going okay. But the jazz, you know, you now you get 10 days, you don't play again until the following Sunday. You get some time off. You played a lot of games in the first 11, you know, because they had a Monday night game, then they played Sunday and then they came and played a Thursday.

So you're looking at about three games in a span of 11 days. That's a lot. That's a lot on a 40 year old body. And so give credit for going to go ahead. One thing you know, Aaron ain't practicing. You know, you know, you're practicing. He definitely not. If somebody will take some time off, it's going to be him. I don't know who the backup quarterback is or whoever the number two quarterback is for the jets, but he's going to get it. Oh, it is Tyron. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Tyron and he is some reps in this week because the Air Rogers

is taking all that off. Well, you know, first of all, they probably won't even be back till Monday. So you get Friday off, Saturday off, Sunday off. I see y'all Monday get a lift there off. Tuesday, we back at this thing on Wednesday. Yeah, that I think that's that's that's the proper step. And probably this week, everything was all walkthrough. Ain't nobody doing no. I mean, your body, I mean,

cause you know how sore you are, man. You play a game on Sunday, man. You sore till Wednesday. There's a lot of film studies, a lot of film study, a lot of walkthrough, but the Jets, what the two, two in one right now, they're three in 11 games. I mean, 11 days, three games in 11 days. So you have to feel good.

Yeah, you'd be loved to be three and oh, with 10 days off, but you have to feel good. You won this game on a short week. Your office looked good. They're starting to pick up steam. Aaron is starting to figure out what his guys, how they liked the ball in game situation, because you can practice a scenario, but game and practice is a lot different. And you saw some of the throws that he was making.

He's as good with a back with the back shoulder ball. And we've had in this league and in any point in time in their career, you see him hit Garrett Wilson with a back shoulder ball. You see him hit Mike Mike. Who's that? Mike? Who's that? No, Gary Wilson on the touchdown. Yeah. Yeah, the first Gonzalez. Yeah, that was. Yeah. Yeah.

He had Lazard, Lazard steamroll this winter. It's all and then the second touchdown or second or third touchdown, he hit Garrett Wilson, who did a great job. I think the only thing that guns Gonzalez made, Oh Joe, you know, when you're on the inside, you can't reach like this. You reach like that. We could see it.

Yeah. Yes. You reach across your body and trying to make a play. I mean, you're trying to make a play, you're down, you're desperate and you're trying to make a play. That's the only thing that I would say. That's the only thing I would say with Gonzalez. Look, I'm not no great DB, but I'm probably sure time

or what is a Reavis or what are those other guys? I'll tell you the same thing. When you coming from the inside, you reach like that. But other than that, he ran a great route. Aaron Rodgers threw a great ball. It was a great ball. It's gonna be great coverage anyway. So it might have not even made a difference.

But give Rogers give this office credit 20, 40, three. Probably say I'm sure they're kicking a cell that man probably 30, 43, 34, 38, three. We feel a lot better about that. That's what it should have been. We have to miss the field goal. Remember, they missed the field goal at the half. Not only miss the field goal of the half, Not only they missed the field goal at the half,

but the penalties taking them back out of field goal range well, missing some of those points that they could have had. Yeah. But the thing is, and if you look at it, Braylon Allen, again, 14, no, 14 touches, 68 yards. So 34 for, that's a buck, 51. That's not bad. 34 for a buck, 51, little over four yards of carries.

So they ran the ball better than I thought they did. Cause it seemed like every time I looked, running to the line, it was getting stopped. So I guess, I mean, so when you look at it, Ocho, that's a lot of carries and they're doing a great job of mixing it up because we know Aaron is great off the play fake. Great off the play fake.

And you can have those, you know, you get the ball down the field and he's great at the line of scrimmage. They give him a lot of leeway. He knows his soft pens backwards and forwards, so he has a lot of leeway at the line of scrimmage. But I like this two headed monster with Breeze Hall and Braylon Allen. They can run the ball. They're only going to get better, especially when the weather gets bad. It's cold? Oh yeah. That's not going to impact Rogers because he comes from Lambeau. So it's not like he's coming from Miami or say or or LA somewhere.

And all of a sudden it's going to be hard. He knows what it's like to play in the cold. He knows how to get his body ready, how to spin the football in the cold. But they might be a situation where they go. They can be an issue. They can be an issue for somebody, especially once they get this thing going, because they can play coverage in the back end with those two corners. The defense can get out your Quentin William.

What is that? McDonald? I think that's the guy that they brought in in place of Hassan Reddit. And I think he has four or five sacks now. Oh, Joe, he's played extremely well. So I think that's the thing where they're like, OK, we got a guy that got three games games got five sacks Let's not make a rash decision Twenty plus million dollars now had he not had those numbers Oh Joe that might be a different story But you know, I don't know why receiver holding out the number two receivers going crazy

So in three games, he got 300 yards the three touchdowns Let's just hold on. Let's see if we can go another week He got 300 yards, the three touchdowns. They're like, let's just hold on. Let's see if we can go another week. Right. You know how teams they go Joe. Aaron Rodgers touchdown pastor Gary Wilson, which in the third quarter was his 480 of his career.

It was one of the first he's thrown to a wide receiver drafted in the first round. Um, look, he's going to have 500 touchdowns, uh, which is, which is a bench. My main 300 used to be 300 was the gold standard, because before these guys started throwing routinely for 30 and 40 touchdowns, and then we had a couple of guys hit 50 touchdowns. My homes hit 50, Brady's hit 50, Manning has hit 50, Manning has also hit 49.

Now the standard, if you don't throw for 400, 500 touchdowns, 300 touchdowns ain't the same. It's like a baseball player. The number, you hit 500 home runs and you bat 300. Now hell, you got to have bat 300, have 500 home runs and 300 stolen bases in order for people like, well, he had a good career, but Rogers is going to throw for 500 touchdowns and with the few interceptions that he's going to throw for, he might be in a situation. I don't think he has 100 interceptions. Does he have 100 interceptions? I don't think he does.

480 touchdowns with fewer than 100 interceptions. Let that sink in. Cause I think he has like a four to one TD to touchdown interception ratio, which is crazy. Two to one you can live with. Oh yeah, one of these, he got 106 Ocho. 480 to 106. He still got the highest touchdown to interception ratio, with lowest, with high touchdown, low interception. So he has that best in the history. Cause there are times that he went the whole season

throwing 40 plus touchdown in single digit interception. He might not have more than two seasons in which he's thrown double digit touchdown. I mean, interceptions, which is crazy, which is crazy. Just go to show you how good he is. Oh, my bad. Oh, he has three. Hey, it's funny. It's funny how the landscape of the AFC East has shifted down completely.

Totally shifted. Now it was always dominated, obviously, always, always consistently dominated by the Patriots. Things have changed. Everything there Totally shifted. Now it was always dominated, obviously always, always consistently dominated by the Patriots. Now things have changed. Everything there shifted. Like going the head coach is gone. You even on the top of the. Yeah, you're right.

But it was on there for a long time. Oh, 20 years, two decades. OK, yeah, I mean, that's a long time. I know nobody's had nobody's had a run. Maybe you got to go back to the 49ers. Oh, Joe, when the 49ers in the 80s, when they ran the NFC West, we had the Rams, you had the Falcons, you had the same. People don't realize that that was way long time ago.

But the Falcons, the Rams, the 49ers and the Saints were in the NFC West. Yeah. And the 49ers ran that division. Right. But they didn't run it like what the what the the Patriots did from 2000 until until Brady left. Yeah. They won a division damn near every year. That's crazy. So you know what? Now? I mean, obviously Aaron Rodgers based on where he's at, where he's at in his career. Like I think they have a chance to dominate the AFC East, especially depending on how long it takes to get back, how far behind the dolphins are in the division as well. And how well they can do with Tyler hunting and Skylar Thompson.

There's a chance that the guy here, what about Buffalo? Listen, I love Josh Allen, right? I love Josh Allen. Excuse me. I love Josh Allen. I don't think he has enough pieces. I love I love Kion Coleman. I love everything they have, but I don't think he has he has enough pieces to be able to compete. Yeah, he has too much. I think he's going to have he's going to have to shoulder the entire load. I don't think he has enough. No disrespect to them. Obviously, they're they're playing well right now. But I'm talking about you'll see what happened when they played the Jets.

You'll see what I mean. I think the thing is, when you look at he has Shakir, he has the two tight end Dawson, Knots and Ken K. You mentioned Coleman. They can run the football a little bit with James Cook. I forget the other running back name. Yeah. But the thing is, when you got that quarterback, you always have a chance. That's all you need is him.

When you got him, Ocho, you got a chance and he's one of those guys that give you a chance to win every single game. Every time that's what makes, that's what makes those guys so special because you don't go into a game and I can just speak from experience from having a top flight quarterback when he had seven, when I had a John, it wasn't like, man, I hope we win. I hope if this goes well, that goes well. I know anytime he's on the center,

we got a great chance of winning. Right. And we didn't have to play our best. Cause a lot of times you go into the game, well, if we do this, if we don't turn the ball over, if the defense can do this, if we commit fewer than five penalties, we got, nah, we got seven. We got a great chance. We don't have to be perfect.

And we got a chance to win. And I think the thing is for him is that now that he doesn't he's under man a little bit. The last thing you can do is turn the ball over at the ratio that he's been turning it over throughout his career, because now you don't have the manpower to come from behind like you once could. So it's going to be very, very interesting. Oh, so what did you make about the change with Robert Sala after the touchdown? Aaron seemed to push him. What's going on? Did you see it?

Yeah, I saw it. I think they just played play for banter between hit, you know, coach and player. OK, OK. Yeah, they just played play between coach and player. Yeah, and nothing, nothing, nothing too much. And I saw it. I actually had to, I watched it three different times just to make sure. Right. And you know, there's a smile on both faces and he walked away.

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For the most part, every snap, it hit my hand. I didn't do enough with it at the end of the day. And I don't want to hear that shit, man. Basically, it's okay. I know you're the quarterback. You're the most important. You're the most important player in most important position on the field

because you touch the ball every goddamn play. But come on, man. You, listen, you have to say the right thing. Bryce Young is saying all the right thing because he's in a position where he has to. You went to a fucking dumpster fire. It's the reason they were the team to pick and have the first pick in the goddamn draft.

Everybody can see it. Your family gonna tell you the truth. Your friends are gonna tell you the truth. I'm telling you the truth. It ain't you. Ain't nothing wrong with you. Some of it is, Ocho. Shit.

Ocho, did you know? Go ahead. Find me somebody out the Old Testament. Find me somebody out the New Testament that can come play for the goddamn Panthers and make a goddamn difference. Nobody. Boy, Jesus himself would come down here in them goddamn sandals he be wearing.

Ain't nothing changing. Nobody but Jesus himself would come down here them goddamn sandals he be wearing ain't nothing changing. Punk is bad. When Sam Donnell was there they said it was Sam Donnell fault. When Baker Mayfield was there they said it was Baker Mayfield's fault. Bryce Young is there they said it's Bryce Young's fault. Sam Donnell and goddamn Baker Mayfield are off to motherfucking historic starts again. Yeah, I think Baker Metfield went to the promo last year or something. And he played very well since he's got out of that cesspool

which is Carolina. And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, Chad. I want you to stay with me real quick. Listen to me. Dave Tepper knows Frank Wright got fired. 11 games. 11 games.

He understands David Tepper has a very short fuse and had little to no paces at all. And not understanding that it takes time being on wind. You not finna buy your way into having a successful team. It takes time to feel. So I think Dave Panassi is sitting back, well you know right now, I think my goddamn job is on the line. Yeah. Because I don't think we can win with Bryce Young, not understanding the elephant in the room is more than just Bryce Young. There are other issues that need to be addressed. David Tepper knows that. Mr. Kanellis knows that as well. Right. And I'm gonna ask you one more thing. I'm gonna let you talk because if you don't stop me, And now let's know that as well. Right. That's the right thing to do.

And I'm gonna ask you one more thing. I'm gonna let you talk. Cause if you don't stop me, I'm gonna keep on going. Go ahead. There are 31 other quarterbacks in the team. Chad, be honest with yourself. 31 other quarterbacks in a league that are starters. Name one that can come to the Panthers team right now

and make a goddamn difference. Please tell me. And matter of fact, I'm going to the gamethers team right now and make a goddamn difference. Please tell me. And matter of fact, I'm going to the game this Sunday. I think the Panthers are playing the Raiders in Vegas. I got to work that game. So now I get to see it in person. So when we do the show Sunday night, you'll be able to tell you. What did I tell you?

I just saw it in person. It ain't Bryce Young, but go ahead. Go ahead. Now you got me. I'm 38 heart now. The problem that he got. He got a 30 making that damn speech like he the issue. The problem is, is that owners,

let's just say owners and ADs, you get a team, a team that won one game or a team that won three games, and you expect no matter who you hire to come in and all of a sudden y'all gonna be a playoff team. Y'all come in all of a sudden you're in the college football player. Do you realize how bad you were before you got into before you changed your regime? You know what the problem is? You know what the problem is?

The people that positions of power, they're not football guys. We have businessmen buying teams. Yeah, that's the problem. Businessmen that use money and they know that what money does in the business world, it changes things right away. What in the football world? That's not the way she works. Because in business, you can create a product and it change your fortune just like that. Whether it's the iPhone or the iPod or whatever the case may be,

you can create something and instantane, instantaneously, it changes your life. Now, if you're fortunate enough and you get a quarterback. It can change it can't. But but what about the piece? Do you have to remember Patrick Mahomes went to a team? that had Travis Kelsey and Tyree kill and if I'm not mistaken it had uh What's the guy the red cream hunt?

But he I think he got in trouble and he ended up they ended up shipping him out But and then they went got Sammy Watkins trouble and he ended up, they ended up shipping him out. But, and then they went and got Sammy Watkins. So they surrounded him as great as he was. They surrounded him with talent. Yeah. That's what you got to have no matter great. I don't care how great you got to have something. And I'm not saying that the guy you need to random all Jerry Rice and Tio all on one team, but do they fit? Do the pieces fit? And see that's what everybody says, well, Tom Brady ain't got no head, no, no, no.

Those guys that Tom had, they fit because everybody can't go. You can't take guys that are being alpha dogs and used to being the guy and says, okay, you got two passes this week. We're gonna run the ball 40 times. Like they did like Edelman and Welker and Amandola and those guys that don't work for Jerry. That ain't working for Teo.

That ain't working for Randy. That ain't working. Oh, Joe. And I tell people that I say, y'all look at it. Y'all look at Edelman. Y'all look at Amandola. Y'all look at Walker. Y'all look at receivers. And y'all think, well, they're not Jerry Rice. No. But Jerry, he planted that system. You better get your damn ball.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. You better get you better give Marvin Harrison that ball. OK. Let a drive happen. And Marvin, they've seen the ball. OK. Y'all did that. That quietness fool you. Bad. You know, everybody can't play in every system. They say, oh, great.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You better get those guys the ball. And we're going to talk about Tom and say how he approached situation with a receiver, how he would talk each. And you hear me say it's all the time. If you're a leader, you can't leave it, lead everybody the same. If you're a coach, you can't coach everybody the same. You treat them all fair, but you don't treat them everybody the same. If you're a coach, you can't coach everybody the same. You treat them all fair,

but you don't treat them all the same. You have to understand by being around, being observant, talking, and understand what's the best way. Oh, oh, he's so sensitive. Okay, you try that approach. I'm just telling you, having been in locker rooms, I'm telling you, and I got over almost two and a half

decades in locker rooms. I'll tell you and I got over almost two and a half decades in locker room I'm not telling you what somebody said You could say somebody is sensitive and salt all you want to but if you approach the wrong guy the wrong way He's gonna go outside your head is gonna be a problem So you have to learn by talking to him by watching a lot of times you watch you know guys that I you know You're born a form a relationship with you watch, you know, guys that I've, you know, you form a form a relationship with you watching who to talk to in the room, how outgoing they are. Are they joking? Are they laughing? Okay. When they're on the field, are they how engaged

are they? You get a sense of what you can and can't say to certain people. You have to understand that's a grown ass man. You ain't in college now. You ain't in high school. So you being the captain and thinking you can talk to somebody a certain way, it'll get you lumped up. Yeah. I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you now. So don't let that CEO your shirt fool you. Like you was caught like, like if you were in high school

and you're the captain on the team, more times than not, guys that aren't the captain ain't gonna try you. Right. If you were in college. Learn who to talk to, how to talk to them, show everybody a certain level of respect because they deserve it. Or, you'll take it.

So, but we will get to what Tom said a little later. Someone who's familiar with the organization, Baker Mayfield, was asked about the Panthers decision to branch Bryce Young. This is what Baker had to say. Obviously mine didn't happen in the same time frame, Bryce, but quarterbacks hard, especially for young guys when you're not surrounded with the pieces that you're not given the opportunity to have success. And so that's a lot of the time guys have the talent, they might have the brains, but they don't have the right opportunity, the right fit.

I mean, I'm sitting here right now in a way better fit in other places I've been. And that's not to put other teams down, but it's a matter of the pieces around you, the coaches and for Bryce, a guy that, I can relate to this finding that belief within yourself again and he'll get it. His story is far, far from finished. Is it? One of the key words he said, the pieces around you, I say it all the time,

a quarterback is only as good as his supporting cast. You can only do so much. Yeah. Now I'm not, his supporting cast is bad, but there's- They are. Ocho, I can look at my plate and I got broccoli and asparagus and mushrooms and I can believe, man, that's a steak, man, that's chicken, man, that's a crab leg.

I can believe all I want to. That's broccoli. That's that's mushrooms. And that's whatever it is. It is what it is. I can believe all I want to in myself. But if you don't give me the pieces around me, believe it in me and them not being able to do what I need them to do is not going to.

It's not it's not. Yeah, because at the end of the day, receiver, you play the. You and I both play dependent positions, but a quarterback is dependent also. He's dependent on his receivers getting open. He's dependent on the offensive line to protect his ass. So we all play dependent positions. Running back is dependent on the offensive line opening holes. It depended on the tight end and the wide receivers blocking for it. He's dependent on the quarterback carrying out the fake to hold the end on the backside. We all play dependent position.

So everybody is dependent on everybody else to do their job in order for us to function and operate at maximum capacity. Yeah. Right now. Yes. He's lost confidence because he's never lost this many games. He's never he's he hasn't been This bad in a very long time and so it's messing with him So now he's thinking is it me is it me? What did I do? What could I have done differently?

What should I have done differently? I think there's nothing you can go to another team. That's what you Should I have done differently? I think there's nothing you can go to another team. That's what you could do. Nothing. I hope Bryce Young see this. Why don't you ever question yourself as far as you come, as far as you come, for sure. You've been winning since high school.

You was probably winning the goddamn junior high. Yep. You look at the landscape. You've been playing football long enough to know. Don't you ever look in the mirror and question yourself and put out no goddamn statement like that, man. I know you got to say it. You a quarterback.

Yeah. You know, you have to be PC, but nigga, please. Excuse me. My man, my man. Come on, man. Don't do that, man. And then also when you did your interview, not too long, I think it was the last week, and he said, um, they asked him, how was your confidence?

Oh, my confidence in the Lord. Listen, I understand, you know, you're a man of God. You're a child. But hey, well, don't answer that like that. Don't answer that like that. Don't answer that like that. I mean, the answer like that is a man to me that's lost confidence in himself, lost his confidence to even say it's with him.

We already know it's with him. You got to us with him. You ain't got to say that. Right. You ain't got to say that. I'm feeling good. I'm going the way I like it right now, but I'm about to say I lost name, better confidence because it all started up anyway. The game of football, Chad, the game of football is 90% mental. 90%, especially at his position with as much as he got on this play on.

Yeah, man, this right he got on this play. Yeah, man. This right here got to be right. Yeah. You got a hundred things you got to worry about when you come up by that huddle. You got to believe those. If you're answering a question about your confidence being with the man upstairs.

On these go on this shot. It is you and I both know playing the position. We believe, I believe that I was the baddest mofo on the field. You believe the exact same thing. I don't care what the, I don't care who on the other side. I know what I bring to the table. I know the work that I put in. For all that talking they was doing, I know what, look,

Ocho, I almost got traded twice. And I remember telling Mike, I went to Mike's office. I said, Mike, what you fail to realize, there ain't another tight end that can do what I do. And I say that disrespectfully. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no, I'm saying that disrespectfully. There ain't no more fool out there.

And I don't care who you're talking about. They can't touch me. They can't touch me. They can't. I say, how many titles you know can go get you one eighty? How many titles you know can go get to 13 catches? Get your three tubs. On 13 targets.

Come on, man. I say, so I get all of that. You want to put I say, but they can't do what I do. Not only can they not do what I do, they can't do what I do in the locker room. Yeah, that's the point that you really fail to miss. I said, but you know what? One day I'm going to be here and you're going to realize that all the stuff that was taken care of before it jumped on your desk.

Right. You like, well, they are. Where all these problems come from? Yeah. A for took care of it before it ever got to you or even got upstairs. I say so. But as I left the Baltimore and it came back, our relationship, he saw me in a different light. Because sometimes you only see person as

catches and touchdowns and you don't realize there's so much more than that. My value, I've never looked at my value as just being able to catch the football or just being able to score the touchdown. I had value in the locker room that made sure guys were able to go do what they needed to do on the field because I didn't let locker room issues spill over. Right. And you know, you keep the piece, you bridge like, Hey, at the end of the day, we're going to be, we got to win together.

Hey, we, I understand we got differences, but the difference that we dealing with. They ain't got nothing to do with this right here. Right. I say, because y'all arguing about somebody, y'all both at work. Y'all don't know what she do. I'm gonna leave it at that. Right. Tom Brady used Julian Edelman and Randy Moss to elite wide receivers as example to explain how he approached his teammates based on their personality. If you wanted Julia, who had incredible

mental toughness to play his best, the way you do it is take him off. I would say things like jewels. Wow. you look really sluggish today. He glared me and be so angry, but I knew he channeled that energy to prove me wrong and go out and play great. He said, Randy was wired differently. Randy responded better to validation. Randy, you look amazing out there. Even in practice, if I went too long without throwing him the ball, I go over and say how much I valued him and remind him that I was always looking for him on every play. You see? Yeah.

You see? Yeah. Yeah. You see how you have to approach guys that Randy enjoy you basically the A why receivers, one's a slot, one that right, but you got to play complete completely different mindsets. You got to be able to, you got to be able to, as aets. You got to be able to you got to be able to as a quarterback, you got to be able to manipulate them to keep them engaged.

You don't want to get you want to want to lose a most up here in game. You know how hard that is to get him back on track? Oh, yeah. Yeah, somebody like that. But once you lose him up here and they check out mentally in the game, because they're getting the ball. Oh, shit. Or don't think you're going to get it. Hey, I think and don't get it.

Prime example, or Joe prime example. Yeah, get ready. Maltz in those years in Oakland. Look at Randy Maltz when he got to New England. Hmm. That's all I'm going to say. Hey, it wasn't wrong with him. It was nothing wrong with him at all. Nothing. But they are playing with you.

You see what your leader did? He understood the personalities. He understood his teammates and he knew how to approach him. You see, y'all, hey, man, man, hey, Randy just being so, okay. Now y'all do it your way. I ain't gonna tell you, you do it your way. In each boss, you do it differently.

But I'm saying, if you want to be a great leader, if you want to be a leader of men, yes, sir, you understand their personalities and you understand what make them tick and you appeal to that because all I'm trying to do is get the maximum out of you. See, my job is to make sure that I get more out of you than you think you can give me. See, that's what a coach is supposed to do. A coach is supposed to push a player farther than he can think he can go on his own

and get more of you than you even know you got in you. So that's what coming back and watching and listening. I listened to the guys talk. When I say something, I listened to laugh. Who gave a little right smile. I watch how they maneuvered in the locker room. I watch him in the cafeteria. Sometimes I just go into cafeteria, see what they ate.

See how they dress, see how they moved. I'm all in touch. How soon they get to work, Ocho. How early they show up for the plane. When they're on the plane, how engaged were they with their teammates? Were they on their little DVD players? Were they watching a movie? What were they doing?

After a while, I had a good sense who I could joke with. Hey, hey, bro. My grandma could call that one. Hey, you know, I'm saying, hey, things like that. Hey, bro, what you do last night. Right. You get a good sense of who you can and who you can. And once you once you appeal to that, you good to see what people say, I want to about.

Yes, you do. You want somebody else or you did good today or that that nice. Oh, man, oh, you may you saw all your bad. Oh, you got the pearly tea hair, clean, skin, glistening. Yeah. We all. Yes. Promote if you get a promotion on your job, that's validation. Yes, sir. That's why people take get upset.

Oh, Joe, man, I get that promotion. I didn't see you on the validation, man. I show up on time. I do all my work. I've been here X, Y, Z, as many see. So athletes want that, too. I feel that I've earned it. Not what I just want what I earned. And so that level of respect that comes along with the way I play with the way I've conducted

myself man, I'm telling you to hear Tom. I mean, he's not telling me anything. Having been in locker rooms, having been a leader of a team, you understand this Ocho, you've been around this thing, you know how guys function. And when you win a lot of games and Tom, it's one more game than anybody from a player standpoint. Right. And you might not go find it. You might not find another player to win that many games again.

So he understands. And you notice. There'll nobody say anything bad about Tom. I think that might be not the touchdown passes, not the Super Bowl wins, not the playoffs. Is that what guys say about him? Not to his face, but behind his back. That's the mark of a great teammate, of a great leader, of a great person. All that other stuff, yeah, we know the numbers, but look how his teammates speak of him.

Always positive. Always. Always. Always. I was one of them. I was one of them. And I didn't know, I didn't know what to expect when I got to New England, you know? What I did, I got a better understanding of who he was and I got a better understanding of why they always won. And it starts at the motherfucking top. It does.

And it trickles all the way down to the goddamn head coach and the quarterback that together were special. It was special. Yep that together were special. It was special. Yeah. It was special. And I wish I wish you all could have been inside. And one of the other things I said to myself was, well, God damn. Tom is really cool. But the time that he portrays on camera ain't really time. No, no, no, it's different.

We got to protect that image. Same thing with now having to protect that image being in New England. Now he kind of came out of shell when he was in Tampa. Yeah, it came out of shell a little bit. He can start to get no IG a little more. Start starting to present himself a little more. And I think that was the hardest thing.

I think the hardest thing when people like I haven't really heard Tom do really do a game. I think the hardest thing when people like, I haven't heard really heard Tom do really do a game. I think the thing is people like you're saying things I say, but you have to understand. He spent his entire career of not saying nothing. And now he wants people to listen to what he has to say. See, that's the hard, that's the part that people are trying to get over.

Tom, you never said anything. You never spoke. You only gave us cliches. You only gave us cliches. You only gave us coach speed. But. It's early, but like I said, he's only going to get better because he's going to put the work in to get better. Yeah, so I don't know.

Like I said, I look and I think the thing is that what he's up against the two guys that preceded him and to go to the number one spot, Tony Romo and Greg Olson, Greg Olson, one of the NME Tony Romo was, was, was lightening in the bottle. So, so what, so what, so what do they expect now with Joe? Everybody that come along, man, he ain't Tony Romo. He ain't Greg. Also with them, some people are natural. That's just like saying quarterback.

Well, because if the rookie quarterback, well, he ain't no CJ Stroud. But they are everybody CJ. There have been a lot of people that wouldn't see J. Stroud. That doesn't mean they can't be good. Some people get better over time. And I think Tom, that's what Tom's going to be. But that's that's the thing that he's working against. Is that the expectations people have and how they saw him.

But I mean, which I wanted to do. Right. What you wanted to do. You don't think he know the game. You don't think you don't think he knows what he's talking about from coverage, from the fronts. Absolutely. But his thing is not. I don't think he'll ever be a guy like Romo that will like a lot of times, like sometimes he would tell you to play. Well, I think this is what's going to come. Jim, you know, it's funny with Romo as a quarterback.

I think Tom had that same, that same visual based on a formation, based on down distance, based on the team and their tendencies and what they like he could probably guess it too yes and a lot of these coordinators he know yeah bingo and things you know offenses don't change no matter we are coordinated though they take that same office stretch yeah yeah that's why he knows back notice. Oh, well, he knows bags. Yeah, he played he played against those defense So yeah, I just Troy guys are really good But damn get a man sometime. Hey

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Two high safeties should be outlawed. What? What is Mel talking about, man? This is what happened when somebody has been in a position that has never played the game, but has studied the game and knows a lot about the players coming out of college and knows the ins and outs and all the little nuances and he talks good during the draft. Now you're saying something needs to be outlawed. But what?

But what? How about you realize that the goddamn offensive line play is fucking horrible this season. That's why the goddamn path. Horrible. Look at the left tackle. Look at the right tackle in today's game. Look at it. Pay attention. You'll see why the goddamn numbers are down. It has nothing to do with goddamn couple two, two man, none of that shit or two safety looks like goddamn male shit. I mean, so, so in other words, so in other words, he won't the

touchdown rate to keep going up. I mean, he ain't gonna be satisfied till you got five quarterbacks throwing for 50 touchdowns in the season. Guess what? When Dan Marino threw for 48 touchdowns, they played cover two. When Peyton Manning threw for 55, they played cover two. When Tom played throw for 50, they played cover two.

When Patrick Mahomes throw for 50, they played cover two. Marino threw for 48 and 5,000 yards back in the 80s, they played cover two. It's just ridiculous. And matter of fact, how about this? Cover two Marino through for 48 and 5,000 yards back in the 80s. They played cover two. It's just ridiculous. And matter of fact, how about this? If we're going to take out the two has safety, right? You got corners having to play man to man

with some of these elite receivers not having no goddamn help. They need the motherfucking raise the goddamn pay for the DBS. And no, let the let the DBS make sure the DBS make it 30 million a year. They got to cover these Xavier worthy and Chris Olafi and Rashid Shaheed and all these fast dudes. Okay, I'm gonna make it even I will make it even for if no more cover, too You can't have a wide receiver on the field that runs four three you baby but come on now. You do realize they went to that they used to all they played with single house safety until Bob Hayes. Bob Hayes came into the league. How you the

world's fastest man you gonna play him in single house with a man coverage. Yeah. He's the fastest man on the planet and you got a DB. Now remember now is dancing like Ginger Rogers in Fred Astaire. Ginger Rogers had a harder job because she did everything Fred Astaire did and she did it backwards in heels. So we're asking these DBs to do everything Tyree Hill does, but I need you to do it backwards. Backwards. That's crazy.

With no help. That's crazy. Man, the bump is here. It'd be a touchdown on every play. If you had, hold on, if you just had to play single high? Yeah, for sure. It ain't gonna be no touchdown, but it's gonna be a lot of yards.

Listen, you play off at seven yards and keep everything in front of you, but all they're gonna do is march right down the goddamn field. Yeah, you gotta be able to switch it up. You gotta play cover two, you gotta play quarters, you gotta play 55, you gotta play six kick, you gotta play seven, 88, mark them. Come gotta play six kick, you gotta play seven, 88,

buck, come on bro. I don't even think, I don't even think Mel was thinking. Like did you think that process through? You know, there's a reason for different coverages, there's a reason for different defenses, you know, it makes the game difficult for quarterbacks so they don't know where to go with the ball.

Right, and. There's a reason they bluff, there's a reason why the safeties drop down. they bluff. There's a reason why the safety dropped down. I mean, there's a reason why they got their offensive live shifts right before the, you know, snap of the ball, like, come on, man. Oh Joe, you remember in college? You remember in college?

They say, man, y'all need to do it to know how to de-spread these no-huddle offenses. They gonna get somebody. No, you gonna have to coach your team up and get them in better shape so they can handle it. Where you gonna have to get your quarterback smarter and understand where to go with the football Get them to study better and stop putting the ball in harm's way Because you know, they're not telling all this. Well, you can't run empty. You can't run five wides You can't run three by one. You can't run. Come on, man

Damn, y'all just want to office to just to up and down. So just, I'll tell you what, this half of the defense played with one shoot. You could only win one shoot. Damn! At some point in time, damn, let the defense win. Give me something, Mocho, let me win something. Hell no. Damn!

All the damn rules in today's game are predicated towards the offensive players. Now, they got the goddamn not male. You can't touch the receivers pass by yards. You can't touch. You can't do nothing. Now you want to take him too hard. Oh, I can't hear them too hard either. Oh, you can't hear him.

And the quarterback, you can't make him think twice about coming across that goddamn middle. I can only receive the receivers be out there catching stuff like the Mona Lisa smiling, one hand in the air. Yeah! Man! I mean, I'm trying to say, I can't remember, I'm not sure it might've happened,

but I don't remember all these catches with one hand. Like you see these guys going across the middle. Yeah, looking pretty. And these guys catching three-step flan routes. Ocho, a three-step, man, Mike, single. And these guys, three steps, land route, Ocho, a three steps. Man, Mike Singletarik, boy. And you had a bit. Listen, your head would have been rolling black.

You'd have a bottle over your ear hole, because that's what you'd be looking at. And soon you brought it. And soon you brought your answer that three steps, land right on. You better let that back clear. Man, well, you better let that backer clear. Man, shh. Well, you better than me.

Hit me, hey, hit me in the second window, sir. Yeah, thank you. On the back. Hit me in the second window. You better let the cemetery clear. You better let Raiden of clear, Offerdahl and all those guys, Erlacher. What, a three-step slant?

Okay. Man, I don't wanna do that. Nope, nope. Nope, that ain't nothing but a headache. That's where you sitting on the bench and the trainer, how many fingers that got up? It got up. What'd you have?

He had, that's what he doing. You know, hey, you okay? Mm-hmm. You know where you are? What'd you have for breakfast this morning? Oh, I remember them days. Yeah, I have a break with this morning. Oh I remember them days Stop art. Oh Dan Can is selling his home after the Lions fans found his address after AF after NFC championship loss

Dan Campbell has listed his five bedrooms seven bathrooms Bloomfield Hills, Michigan home He shares with his family for 4.5 million due to security concerns. There's plenty of space. It's on two acres. Damn, the home is beautiful. It's just people figured out where we live when we lost. Oh, Joe, what's your take on this? I mean, listen, I just says that's putting his family, his kids in danger. Come on, baby.

Dangerous. Is that serious, Ocho? I mean, with fans, I've never, never, I mean, I've never experienced it, you know, to that nature. But for the sake of his family and his kids, it's okay to move. Yeah, hell yeah. I got it.

If anything, I mean, I would hate to say maybe you need to hire 24 hour security detail, but you shouldn't have to. He a coach. He ain't Jay-Z. He ain't LeBron. I mean, like, I mean, like you Jay-Z, Beyonce, you LeBron, you one of those guys, somebody like that, you know, you Oprah or you like, you know, you somebody like that, but a coach

shouldn't have to do that. Yeah, but just, just to be safe though, huh? Oh yeah. Just the fact that, the fact that you have to up and move is enough. Yeah, that's too much. I'm sure it would probably make your wife uncomfortable. It would make the kids uncomfortable. So just for their safety to make them feel secure, you know, security, 24 hour security,

just watching over. I wouldn't, honestly, I would move. I would just have the security detail on hand during the time that the family is coming home or the wives are coming home or the kids are coming home. That's that expensive, Ocho. I mean, not that- 24 hour security? Not as expensive as you think.

24 hours is, Ocho. I mean, I don't really think it's that much. I mean, if you got damn, goddamn, you walk around with security all the goddamn time. I ain't talking about your homeboy security now. I'm talking about real. I'm talking about one that's trained, don't have to view situations, got life-affirmed,

you know what I'm saying like that. Yeah. I don't think that much. But the fact that he has to move, it doesn't make it any better because everything is public knowledge. Everything is public information if you know where to look. So, I mean, this is unfortunate.

So you don't want to be hopping from place to place to place every time fans find out you got damn leave. If anything, if I was if I was Mr. Campbell, if I was Mr. Campbell, I stay put. Get that 24 hour security chair when the kids are home, when the wife is home or they're coming home from school. And I just I just have it like that. I mean, oh, I can honestly say and if the gods are in his truth, I never want to be that famous.

I still want to maintain a level of I mean, this celebrity that that has been that is thrust that I've that I've that I've had over the last year and some change. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't imagine. I mean, I'm trying to, you know, meet Michael and to see him and to see the security detail with him, to see LeBron and to see and to see these people and to see the detail that's with him. And they can't. Yeah. Ron, go to no target.

I bet LeBron ain't never been the target. Yeah. Yeah, Ron, a little target. I bet LeBron ain't never been the target. Ron, a problem, been to the movies, a movie theater since high school. I come out by him, you know, I'm saying he is Savannah. He in the ball. He can't do that. That right. I can't you know, you know, it's funny is I couldn't be LeBron type famous because I'm too fucking friendly. Now you wouldn't be that way.

I go think about it. Can you imagine if I imagine me being LeBron type famous and I fly places and I'm asking people to pick me up from there for that would never happen because you're you're you're risk and they would they. First of all, you have to understand familiarity breeds contempt. You have to be careful. You have to be careful. You have to be careful. If you were that famous, you wouldn't do that.

You don't think so? Hell no. I think I would, I wouldn't change. You don't understand what that level of fame is. First of all, you wouldn't be flying like that. You'd be flying private. But one, if I was that famous and I was still making that kind of money, I definitely flying private. It ain't your your your your your your your your your safety risk.

Now, if you want to put your life on the line and your family life on the line, we'll go ahead and have at it. Now, then I'm low key anyway, so I really wouldn't I wouldn't be in the line. I like a low key outro in that famous. How you gonna be low key anyway, so I really wouldn't, I wouldn't be in the limelight like that anyway. You can't be low key Ocho in that famous. How you gonna be low key in that famous? I'm pretty easy. I'm not, I'm not 6'9". Ocho, you said that. I ain't 6'9".

It don't matter. So where you think Leon M.S. is going? He fine. He can go wherever he wants. All he gotta do is dress normal. Dress normal, put a hat on. Nobody knows you. Ocho. And you know, listen, I got something for you. How about this? You know, has to live. You know how they always they go to the sky. Yeah, they they they all they always surprised.

Oh, we saw so and so together. You know, they call them people. They call them photographers to let them know this. What are we going to be at? You know, you had your PR hit them. Those really going to be at. And they catch you taking pictures. Well, you don't want to be seen.

It's easy not to be seen. I know. Here's the thing though. Oh, oh, oh, you're going to be at the Grove. Hey, man, guess who on the reservation list, the list tonight is such as such at the Grove. Right, right, right. Oh, Joe Cinco. OK, I'm a slide. See, yeah, I see how you think they get.

That's why you can't. That's why the police, anybody come in the police bar. They got somebody there. They got somebody to courthouse. That's how information get out on your people. Do you understand what they can't say? Can't told us I'll pay for information. All these sites are paid for information.

That's how they knew. What did they know about the situation just happened? They knew Diddy was about to get arrested, didn't he? Oh, yeah. Before it even happened, they had started reporting on it. Oh, and matter of matter of fact, let me tell you, let me tell you the game they plan to that and we tell you, oh, he's on suicide watch. Yeah. Let me tell you. Hold on. Let me tell you the game. They playing that. Hold on.

I see. Bad day. I just feel bad. I feel bad because I think, you know, in a situation like this, I guess, I guess, oh, Joe, if I was a fan, like the fan is short for fanatic, I guess I just don't care enough. I ain't going to call nobody. I ain't finna call nobody. I ain't finna curse nobody out about no game. Right.

Sheesh boy. I definitely ain't going to somebody house. People got the ability to protect themselves. Man, that man feel like his family being threatened. And let everybody have it Yeah Come on fans. Come on. I get it. I mean Detroit Detroit I mean either the NMC championship game and it was like one game away then had one something since what 57 Come on, I get it. Come on fans. We you we get we gotta do better than this now y'all going to the man house

We got, we got to do better than this now. Y'all going to the man house? Ain't that serious for me, Ochoa, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry, Ochoa. I, I, I. Hey, my little brother, right? My little brother just texted me saying, he talking about if you was LeBron famous, he talking about, he talking about you'll be catching,

he talking about, man, fool, they'll hold you for ransom. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You ain't, talking about you go, talking about, oh, I'm done, please. Oh, that's right. Hey, hey, one thing, that's right, man, listen, God, God do better, God, God, God do better.

All your kids. Huh? All your kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God knew better. God, God, God. All your kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It got God knew better than the blessing with that. That that kind of fame, you know, because I'm glad I gave me more fame. He gave guess what, oh, Joe, he gave me more fame than I deserve. Yeah. He gave me way more, way more than I deserve. Yeah.

But, you know, it is what it is now. You it comes it comes along with the territory as you start to make a certain level, you start to get good at a particular something. Yeah. Excuse me, especially if it's a professional sport, because now you're on television, people recognize you, especially like basketball, because they can see your face. We're we're in the light. We know we do digitally.

We're on television, linear television. People see us without the helmet. So we're more recognizable, more visible now. Man, with that kind of money, man, they're still the hell out. They're kids. How many kids? Boy, you have to have security on all your kids. My kids carry.

That's all right. And they carry that. Very great. Hey, you have to put out, you have to put all that thing. You say, yeah, you got your. That's the life. It has. Yeah, that's different. That's different. Listen, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't wish that on nobody. In a way I wouldn't wish that on nobody anyway. I wouldn't wish that on nobody. And the funny thing about it is there's certain individuals, there's a select few that are at that height

of fame and power, a select few. And the fact, and it just, like, I just, I- Like anywhere you go in the world, you know. It don't matter. Like, there's- You go to Africa, you go to Russia, you go to China, you go, there's not a place. I mean, you're gonna have to go

to some of the most remote places on the continent for them not to know who you are. But I'm saying if you go to, you know, they're gonna know. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. Cause I'm just too sociable. I'm too fucking friendly. I like to be out and enjoy

Ocho what you fail to realize as you start to get that level you start to distance yourself You can't be that way. You don't think LeBron you don't think LeBron was sociable at one point time Jordan was sociable at one time tiger was sociable at one time all the people that you're talking about was social at one time. Then you start to realize, where can I go? Then you got to sign 10,000 autographs, take 50,000 pictures. Damn. You know how miserable everything you just explained, sir?

Yes. I'm glad that's why I'm glad I'm right where I'm at. Yes, everybody. Yes. Yes. It's like, because like you think about it, Ocho, you sign 50 autograph. You don't sign 51. You a dick. But Ocho's an asshole.

He liar. He's a liar. It's so bad. Yeah, bad. Yeah, Ocho. He do all that talking. Then I asked the brotha for a pick. Brought him sign 500. The Volume. Hey there. It's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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