Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: A.J. Brown MEETS with Eagles OWNER + Shedeur Sanders makes NFL DEBUT + Ja’Marr Chase is FOUL for SPITTING on Ramsey

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Philadelphia Eagles beating the Detroit Lions with a dominating defensive performance, the Baltimore Ravens beat the Cleveland Browns, and the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Cincinnati Bengals and Jalen Ramsey get kicked out during confrontation with Ja’Marr Chase, and much more! 00:00 - Introduction05:10 - Eagles beat Lions28:27 - Ravens beat Browns; Shedeur Sanders makes NFL debut58:29 - Steelers beat Bengals (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That is a play on because you know, it could have win either. way but I don't think in that I don't I personally don't think it was a PI oh yes she and I don't but that's being said the Eagles win this ball game they moved to eight and two with a 16 nine victory and the lion's dropped to six and four Ocho yeah we're going to talk about this a lot later but there was a meeting between A.J. Brown and the owner Jeffrey Lurie we'll talk about that so I'll chat it didn't happen because you know y'all going to get mad at Ocho and after talking

about it. He's all going to say it didn't happen, although everybody has reported that it did happen. You keep telling Ocho and I, there's nothing going on. But normally, players and owners don't have closed-door meetings. That's no,

I've never had a close- I did once I was retired, you know what I'm saying, but anyway, Ocho, the Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was 14 to 28, 135 yards, no touchdowns, no interception.

Again, he didn't turn the ball over. He had one fumble, but they ended up recovering it. Sequin was 26 of 83, nothing to write home about 40 rush attempts, 148 yards. The wind was gusting, I think, probably excess of 30, 40 miles an hour, which made it difficult. And knowing what you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland,

Pittsburgh, where the wind swirls and it gets hard, you know points are going to bring out a premium. And we know how Dan Campbell is. He's very aggressive. But I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were going to be a premium. And it wasn't going to be a ballgame, Ocho, where you're going to get 31, 28, 35, 34, something like that.

So points were going to be at a premium. But what did you like about what you saw for the deal? I mean, listen, they were resilient, huh? They were resilient. Obviously, they weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough. A.J. Brown had somewhat of a down night. 11 targets.

He had 11 targets. He had 7 of those. He had 49 yards. I mean, Seekwon, you know, had 26 carry for 83 yards. But the defense dominated, huh? The defense dominated. The fact that is as explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is, I mean, they were held in check.

They were held in the check. Golf was, golf was, what, 14 for 37? He had one TV. He had an interception. They were able to hold Gibbs. Sonic. Is Gibbs Sonic? Yeah.

Listen, they were able to hold him 12 carry for 39 yards. No, yeah, wait, hold on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he got it in the past. So he got, if you look at it, he had 107 yards receiving five carries five catches so he got his he got his yard from scrimmage he just didn't get him the way we conventionally yeah yeah absolutely but that goddamn that god damn eagles defense on put him boy and play some goddamn balls especially that front

four jordan jordan davis had him had him a night tonight jane how many balls did they bat down oh joe five six seven maybe if i'm not mistaken maybe about seven eight maybe about seven and eight because jordan davis i think i saw him get three carter got three got two uh 97 got well i mean every time i turn around and it's so fussed so fussy go cho because you know you're like oh yeah i got it yeah damn matter of fact listen and all it is is just being able to disengage if you can't get to the quarterback use your eyes use your eyes hold you hold your hold the off of the player out and and play the passing lane play the passing lane with you with your hands and you know watch the quarterback's eyes

and it worked it worked wonderfully jalen phillips had had a sack tonight and this And the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good. I mean, honestly, it was a boring game. It was somewhat of a boring game. It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that. But I enjoyed it.

And the fact that, you know, offensively, the Eagles didn't look to par as we liked them to look, but they still got the most important stat. They got the W. That's what they do. They're not, I mean, they don't. you know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35. Sometimes they need to score 10. They score 10.

They do what is necessary to win. And they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early too soon. There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down, make them go to, don't give them a short feel. Golf turned the ball over early. And I think they got three points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home field. Yeah.

because anybody they could potentially play unless it's the Rams they're going to probably be outside of the and the conditions you know what the conditions are in January they're going to probably be like this maybe even worse so you don't know because when you look at the schedule let's see Philly is the one seed

probably only going to get one team out of that division Green Bay Chicago those are two teams that could possibly get in. Guess what, Ocho? The weather is bad there. So Philly is bad. The Rams.

Seattle, Seattle, you know, Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them. But I just thought, look, it's a lot. It's tough. I could just imagine because Jalen has to answer questions, not about Detroit, but about AJ. And it's, it's starting to bother. Like, man, I want to focus on Detroit.

Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in the game plan to make me, I ain't going through my progression, throw it to AJ. Throw it to AJ. And that got golf into trouble because golf had a time had to tie in on the shallow cross,

but he's looking for oven raw. What happens, also a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught unless the guy is covering him man, unless he's green dogging, he he's taught okay start looking for crosses start looking and so what happened is that he blocked the linebacker is not green dog which means he's not threat so he starts looking and dropping in coverage he comes on the shallow cross but ball yeah but he's looking at arm and rob because he's

already made his mind up where he's going with the football and it's hard to undo that and you see j j Montgomery is just Montgomery is jumping up in them down there in the middle of field like I'm open The tie-in was Scott-Free. You see golf playing with gloves on, but I think it just got frustrated because he had some opportunities, and then they backed the ball right back down in his face like we were playing volleyball,

beat's volleyball. And it's tough. It was frustrating to watch. But look, the Eagles are going to look. The Eagles, they're not going to win style points. And winning is, this is not gymnastics. This is not swimming. You know, platform diving or anything like that

where it's subjective, no, this is about wins and losses and how do we get the win is unimportant the most important thing is that we got the win not how we got it is that yeah and that's what the eagles that's what the eagles do oh joe the eagles win it ain't pretty it's not pretty and the one thing it's also it's also when i'm thinking about a game like this i'm thinking how gang camels thinking in a sense you know what i'm going to i'm going to take some chances i'm going to go for it on four down to see if I can get those points in premium due to the elements and force the Eagles to play a different style of game.

Forcing to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us. To me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on them and forcing to be able to throw the ball. Let's make them uncomfortable.

Let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do. And that's the only thing. And the defense, they step up to the challenge. They step up to the challenge and play it extremely well. If you got LaPorteur, I give you that because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers against your safeties. So I'll give you that.

But given what you're up against, considering the elements that probably 17 points would win you this ball games, the last thing you want to do is give away, give away field position. and let them get easy points. If you, also, if they drive the field and they get a field, they get a field, they get a field, if they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can't live with that.

But I can't put them on a short field and get one field goal and now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range. Or even if they don't score, they're gonna have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up. I feel like a salmon spawning season. I feel like I'm swimming upstream

and there's a lake full of bears. Every, every, every, hey, they get fooled because they hibernate, they got to eat all they can because they're about to go into hibernation. And that's what happened to the, uh, Detroit, is that they gave the Eagles short fields. And even when they didn't score points, Ocho, it kept them backed up. And they just needed, they just needed to start one. I mean, they did a great job of stopping the tush push, uh, and got it, and got a short field, end up getting a field goal out of it.

Uh, and, but like I said, it had been very interesting to see. if they don't call that PI call, can they go down and get a touchdown? I put it like this. I'm not putting no money that means something to me that they're going to go down and get a touchdown. You might put some money on it that means something to you that says,

okay, yeah, Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown. You know, what's funny is I don't think it would have made a difference, I don't think it would have made a difference. Whether it was a PR or not, I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles play defense

all night long, all four quarters. You know, it looked like, it looked like what it did. They were able to, they were able to get nine points, nine points. We talked about a ramp, talk about the Rams. We talked about a Lions team that's able to score, you know, in bulk. There's number two and scored average in about a little, almost 32 points in game. So for them to come out today, and I'm not going to blame the elements. I'm not going to blame the weather, you know, at all.

Because we. Because both teams had to play. Exactly. And we've seen them playing cold weather before and still be able to put up points, you know, at will. I think the Eagles, they played one hell of a game on all three levels, on all three levels. They were phenomenal. They did. And the thing is, Ocho, but you know about Dome teams.

There's a reason why Dome teams don't go to the Super Bowl unless they're in their own building. Because when you have to go outside and you have to normally late January, the weather is bad, you go to Philly or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City. If you're a don't weather team, it's really not conducive. Normally, you look at the Rams, they got to the Super Bowl house. They had home field. When they didn't have home field, it's tough. I mean, the only warm weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the Super Bowl is Tampa is when they went on the road to Philly,

and they beat Philly in Philly. And it took a herculean effort from the defense because the offense really didn't do anything. Ronde, Barber, ended up getting like a 90-yard pick six, something like that. But it's very tough. So the Detroit's got their work cut out for them. If they want to get to where they want to be, and it's not going to be easy. Because I don't know if you notice,

Chicago's playing really, really well. That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable. Hold on. And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know Joy Love, you need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he's like, I'm Derek Henry. Why?

Oh, no, you're not. Until the tent, he went and ended up going inside. until he figured out like, nah, bro, you can't take shots off. You can't take shots on your shoulder like that. If you look at the Eagles, oh, Joe, they've beaten the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams, and the Chiefs.

Hey. With the exception of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically still in playoff contentions. I mean, maybe the Vikings still are. But the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all in the takes is seven, they still have the outside chance that they could, you know,

win the division. But the Rams, they're clearly in sole possession of because they beat the, they beat Seattle today. So to beat the Lions, to beat the Packers, to beat the Bucks,

to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now, you're just not going to just go in there and willy-nilly, just going to roll over them. So if you think that's what's going to happen, that ain't happening.

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and all this talk about A.J. Brown and in the offense and not living up to the standards and involving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year and Sequin really hasn't had a day yet. What we're used to seeing, I think at some point, they will hit their stride. At some point, I think things are going to open up that often is going to change, especially I think it's going to start clicking when it matters most. Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly, but I think at some point, maybe. be that momentum or they catch fire at the right time when it when it matters most now i mean obviously they're winning games ugly the the the defense is is carrying the load and probably the

main or the majority reason why they're winning but i think once the offense catches up to where the defense is and maybe maybe just maybe just halfway maybe just halfway i think they're going to be a force to reckon with especially once they get to the goddamn playoffs and there's a good chance if they keep playing like them defensively and if the offense gets any better or any look more efficient especially on the ground and they're running they have a healthy balance of both man it's going to be hell on it's going to be here but we know at some point in time one team offense is going to have their way with that defense and then the offense is going to have to bail them out we've seen it we've seen it happen no matter what everybody everybody has a game

in which if whatever your strong suit is you struggle and the other side of the ball needs to you out. And it's normally the side that have struggled. So the offense has really struggled, but the defense has been exemplary. So what happens when an offense, opposing team offense has their way with that defense? And I'm saying, you know, somehow they get, you know,

28, get 31 points. Now we're going to need Jaylen Hurts and we're going to need the offense to go match that and go get 32, get 33, get 34 points. So we know that game is coming. We don't know who it's going to be Maybe it's the Cowboys Because the Cowboys That's a division rival game

You throw everything out of the window Don't look how bad the Cowboys are I know the Cowboys that's played like some stirfright this year But against a division opponent You throw everything out of the window But that was a big win for the Eagles 8 and 2 on the season Drop the Lions to 6 and 4

With a score of 16 to 9 Jordan Davis Ocho Enter the night with three batted balls He finished with a tie for the league lead with six so he had three Carter probably had two 97 I think I think that's hunt I'm not mistaken um had a had one but uh they won they they played well they they handled the elements the conditions better than Detroit did because you know you how do how do I practice that Ocho I normally practice him and don't so they probably went

outside I'm sure they went outside in Detroit right now it's cold in Detroit yeah and And knowing Dan Campbell to get them ready for the elements and what you're going to have to, what is going to be like on Sunday, we're going to practice outside Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Yep. Before the game, reports came out from ESPN Sal Palantoneo, the guy that knows all things Eagles. He's been covering the Eagles for probably 40 years.

AJ Brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense. During the 10-minute meeting, Brown promised Lurie that he would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lurie that he just wants to be a part of an offense and it's frustrated. All right, hey, Eagle fan, me and Ocho didn't know what he's talking about. We're just making stuff up. Now, how many times, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie, he's on this team for two decades, met with a player about something that he was posting on social media?

met with a player about his role in the offense, his role in the defense. Eagle, this is, hey, chat, this is only for Eagle friends. I don't want anybody else to chime in because Ocho and I, we're just doing this for clicks. Mainly you, because Ocho, Ocho, cool, we like Ocho, but it's mainly you. So Eagles fans, I want y'all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm going to give you a couple of minutes to chime in. Now, and I, like a coacho, I understood from the beginning, my only thing was, I said, AJ, is just that when you do this publicly, and you're winning, and you say your goal is to win and you're winning, the fans are not going to look at it like, man, I want to be involved because I want to take this offense to the next level, they're going to look at it as you're complaining and being selfish because you're not getting staff.

that's how it's going to be so my thing was just keep it behind closed doors he probably kept it behind closed door Ocho as long as you know Ocho you can all this stuff so much stuff in the closet until you open the door and all that is come rolling

absolutely and the funny thing about it too is you know what I think I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors I think he's those conversations with Jalen I think he's had those conversations with Coach Siriani and he might have

he might have because this has been going on since last year. It's been going on since last year. So I think the conversations have already been had and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. But what AJ Brown has to understand, this offense is run a certain way. It's always run a certain way. And the way that they do it, Jaylon Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to take the chances like Ann Rogers. He's not going to take the chances like a Brett far or a gun-slinging quarterback. I'm going to make the right reads. I'm going to do the right things with the ball and i'm not going to put my team in harm's way in harm's way

and have us behind a ball when it comes to playing football and that's just that's the nature of the business in the way they do things and i think the eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have it's not pretty it's not it's not it's not it's not aesthetically pleasing he's not going to go out there and throw no 400 500 yards that's not the offense they know it doesn't ask for him to do that but when time come when time's coming you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm. We've seen him do it. Hell, a la last year in the Super Bowl. They weren't allowing Sey Juan to get Didley, Didley squad. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game. This year, things don't look like it should. They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they

not even throwing the ball well. They get in this first. But what are they doing? They're being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point, the rolls are going to reverse. This is going to be a game just like you said. With the defense, they're going to get had. They're going to be a team that's going to be able to take advantage of them. And the funny thing about it, you think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and have an offensive scoring high volume output. You think about the chiefs. They beat the chiefs. Here, you think about the Lions tonight.

They score 27, 28, almost 30 a game. Not yet. It's going to be a team you least expected. It's going to be a team you least expected. And they're going to have a goddamn weight. And it's going to come time where Jaylen Huron will have to step up. and he'll be going to beat you with your arm or Saquan going to do what he do on the ground

like he did last year that he hasn't been able to do yet this year. This offense is built to play with a lead because of the way they play is run and pass. A lot of teams pass to run. So Ocho, you're afraid of us

throwing the football so now you play coverage we can run into a lot of box. So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run and then we're going to pass we're going to dictate we're not going to let you dictate when we pass but they

normally pass and it's third and short. What gets the Eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the football. See when it's third and short Ocho you don't know I can run it with Sequin or I can use Hertz legs or I can do something quick screened

Jalen screen to Devonte, quick something quick pop to Goddard. they get in the trouble when you start they start third 10 third 12 that's when they get into trouble and so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at staying out of situations like that but give them credit they won tonight play the elements better that's what you have to do when you at home mocho hey we're in our environment we're eagles we play it we

practice outside and one problem i do have about watching the game tonight the fact that i can And still, I don't play for the Eagles, I don't play for the Eagles, but I watch a lot of football and I watch the Eagles all season long. Hell, I watch every goddamn team. But the fact that I can tell you, based on A.J. Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly where Rowdy's running, that's not good. That's not good. Because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday, what do you think those that are playing the crossroom are doing? He had 11, I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff over and over and If he lines up two yards outside the number, if he's by itself, he's running the hitch.

If he's in, if he's, if he's at the top of it, hey, or the slant. If it's, if it's two by two and speedy's on the side with him or the tighties on the side with him, he's off the ball, he's running the slam. It's, it's like the same thing. If he's, if he's inside, he's running the quick out. I mean, it's just, or the stick right, it's just the same. There's really no creativity and then putting it. And they like to put him on the left-hand side, Ocho.

They like to throw him the go-ball on the left-hand side. If you notice that, Ocho, a lot of his go-balls on the left-hand side. I mean, so I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers he'd like to, but you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is. Route recognition, formation recognition, and the tendencies are the same. The Big Take podcast from Bloomberg News,

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But what overshadowed that was Shador Sanders getting his first taste of in the action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ball game. Excuse me. and did not return. Shadour came in.

Shadour's stats was four of 16, 47 yards, zero touchdown and interception. He had a couple of opportunities late in the ball game. He had a couple drops. He had a couple of drops. Look, and listening to, I found it on social media, for Kevin Stafasker to say

the first time that Shadour Sanders had taken a snap with the starters with the ones within this game is malpractice. At no point in time, and this is what I said, at your soul, at no point in time. So you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt. He can't possibly bring a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion. There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get you to do it like one reps with the ones, two reps with the ones.

I ain't saying split it 50-50. I understand that. But even when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two. just in case so for shadur sanders there we are in week 11 the man got drafted in may and at no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones it's very very disappointing you know hold on hold on hold on look not only is it disappointing right and a lot of people say hey listen you know you and unc we were you were screaming for chador to start you wanted to get in there and look at look at the stat line look at what he did well obviously i'm i'm i'm confused

and I'm trying to understand this ain't madden you don't you don't just you don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones when it comes to the play calling when it comes to the play calling what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones you don't know what he does well what he doesn't do what he you don't know what he would he what he's not going to be good at because there's there's there's no chemistry there's no chemistry so you just out there calling play is all willy-lily not knowing how the offense can run and I mean I know as a

quarterback you're supposed to be you're supposed to be prepared you're supposed to know you know if the opportunity presented itself you got to be able to go in there and do what you can do but like come on no no reps at all let me ask you a question no reps up no but let me ask you this normally on Saturday on Sunday morning, Dylan Gabriel will tell Stafansky these are the plays that I really like. Every quarterback does that.

Every quarterback does that, huh? Every quarterback does that. So do you think he had any idea of the plays that should do it likes? No. Or he's just going to call plays just, oh, here's my play sheet, and I'm calling.

Because you build your play, you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes, what he's good at, what he's good at, you don't even know what you should do it's good at. Now, it's going to be very interesting. Look at this play.

Now, you got, you got three guys blocking one guy and somebody about to come in and hit your door, Dan, his mouth. Now, what should have happened was a redirect. You slide the line to the left. And now, guess what? You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around, and now you're protected. But, hey, the old line is going to have to make calls

until your door gets, get, get, catch up. Get in the groove. Yeah. He's not there right now to say, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect. Let's Liz this. Let's Liz this.

Let's lose this. Now we're going to slide the line to the left. Now we're going to take, hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right? Why the hell we got three guys? And now we got a guy to come in here and try to put his helmet up under Shadoor's chin. So it's going to be very interesting this week. I'm sure Gabor is going to be in protocol. We'll see if he, if Shadour is going to get.

the start against, I think they play the Raiders, Joe. I think they play the Raiders. We'll see if he gets to start against the Raiders. And he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps, all the ones, and Stefanski will have an idea what he likes and will call plays accordingly. That's how it wants. And honestly, it's very important, too, for Stefanski to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do, because it allows you to call plays and put him in advantageous

situations for you. it just makes your job easier. It just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is able to run smooth. I mean, it's really easy. It's not about Dylan Gabriel, it's not about Shador Sanders.

It's about putting our players in positions for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win. That's all. I give you a prime example, Ocho. When I wasn't the starter, my first couple of years, they would put me in the game. But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we're going to run.

Because they say, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to make a play. They got a small cornerback. We're going to fade. I don't care what the coverage is. We're going to go to fade. We're expecting you to go up over the top of it. Okay, in this situation, we're going to bump this coverage.

If they bump with it, that means this main coverage. You're going to be one-on-one, inside leverage, linebacker with inside leverage. So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away. So I knew. Now, if I'm just like all of a sudden going to game and they're not calling plays for me, I just got, I just, well, well, now, quarterbacks always, you go listen to Brady, you go listen to Mandy, go listen to a, a, breathe in any of these quarterbacks. They say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over the Saturday night or day on the game,

this is what I really like. Normally it's Saturday night and you come and say, okay, so what do you like? So Brady and Mani would say I got these, what Manning calls his own thing. So let's let's do Brady Breeze and all those other guys. It's like, this is what I like. This is what I like. And this, 3 to 1 3.3 to 5, 3rd and 5 to 7. This is what I really, really like.

Now, this is what I like, hey, in this area of the field. This is what I like in the red zone. This is what I like out of this personnel. Because I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to get this coverage, which gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage. So all that's going through the mind But for a quarterback on Joe Not to get no reps

I'm talking about none He said it See and I was like what I mean listen to Mary Kay Cabin And listen to listen to people that they're They're saying should do or not getting any reps As a matter of fact Bailey it'll be very interesting

And somebody should have asked him Well let me ask you this coach Stephansky Did Bailey Zappy get any reps with the ones Because it makes no sense If Bailey Zappy is getting reps with the ones And then why would you push your door in that situation? Why not have Bailey Zappias to? Yeah, and it's funny.

And you know what, the piggyback of what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before games start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do. For one, especially early in the game, to get them in the rhythm.

And you mentioned Brady. And hell, I was there. I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen it the night before, in the hotel on Saturdays. When the meeting ends, Bill O'Brien,

even the time Brady sit there, they go over the plays that he likes. And Bill O'Brien will runoff plays, he'll call off plays. And Brady, you know what, I don't like that one. You know what, let's save that one, you know, for later on the game in a certain situation when we may need it. And he had those first 15 plays that he really, really likes, and he's comfortable with. And that's what they would go with.

Yeah, that's what it should be. Because at the end of the day, you got to run with the quarterback feel comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside. Sometimes, you know, we want to bring our ego to the party, but it's not your party. So you don't get to dress how you want to. We said this is an 80-themed party. Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without an Afro, and some platform shoes on those choice of bellbott. You know what I'm saying?

This is not your party. So you call plays accordingly because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable when you call that. He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense if you call. all that. I'm glad, like I said, hopefully, um, Dylan Gabriel is okay. First of all, let's start with that because I'm not, I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity. That's how Brady got his opportunity.

Someone went down and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity. Someone went down and I made the most of it. But, you know, some, in order to seem like in order for sure to do it to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get dinged. Hopefully he's okay. Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to Square 1-0-Ocho. Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones

and we move him forward. We don't know. We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still in protocol. But I think now that you're in a situation where there's a great chance. I believe there's a greater than 50% chance that you're going to start.

Because I don't care what anybody says. You prepare differently as a starter than you do a backup. Not only do you prepare differently from the start to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly. Absolutely. The play calling completely changes. Completely different game playing depending on who you have a quarterback

based on their skill sets and what they're able to do. I totally agree. But, you know, things are a lot faster now in the NFL than they are in college. Guys move faster. You got to throw guys open I like that guy He threw the fanning The tight end 44

On the crosser on the dagger route I thought he threw that with timing You hit Jew with one And Jew made a great move He had another one A couple of guys dropped one 84 had one in his hand But give a Woozee credit

He's pulled out Great play by Woozee That was a great play That was a great play But when you have a young player in there Having been in situations Where you're the veteran guy And you have a young guy

And you have to make plays for him you understand that he's nervous I don't care what anybody says he's nervous I've been here before I've been doing this all my life you ain't been doing it on this level all your life you ain't did it like this with those guys all your life so hopefully he gets an opportunity

another opportunity he'll be better prepared than he was and we'll get a different result also in this game Miles Gary Hey man eight he's the real deal he's a real deal

he's gonna break he got seven games to go so he needs he needs eight sacks to break the record and he might very well get that he might very and don't they got the Ravens again

hey he might they got the Raven hold on I think they got Pittsburgh they got y'all again yeah he definitely might because he had three today right did he have three or four yeah

they got they at the raiders they get the 49ers they get the 49ers tightens at home they at the bears they get the bills at home they get the steelers at home they get the bingles on the road now the best matchup at everybody you said will be probably will be a matchup to watch will be miles garrett and dion dawkins miles garrett and dion dawkins now and everybody else on there and there's no disrespect to them,

but you got your hands full. Oh, everybody got the hands full. You got your hands full. And obviously, what's you called? Big Trent got his hands full. Oh, yeah. Oh, shoot.

That's right. That's right. Yeah, everybody got the hands full. Colton Miller, everybody. Because he kicked everybody out. He's on one of those, he's on one of those stairs right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him.

He don't even see you. He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest. Having been around, having played against great fast rushers, the Reggie White, the Bruce Smith, the Derek Thomas, I played against Leslie O'Neill, go look him up, and you don't know, the Greg Towns and all those guys, the Michael Scray hands, when they get into a rhythm, yeah, it ain't, it ain't nothing you could do. Nothing you could do. It's just like a guy shooting the basketball, like Jordan. They say Jordan getting a zone or step getting into the zone. Does it matter if you put your head? You know, they put the hand in his face like he can't see. He ain't even looking at you. He's looking at the real. and he's storing a pebble in the ocean. That's how big it looks to it. There's a chance, Ocho.

It happened. I don't think it's happened since 92. When Cortez Kennedy won the defensive player of the year on a losing team, I think they were two and 14. And Ted's won the defensive player of the year. That might happen because right now, Miles Gair is the best defensive player football. He's easily.

Without question. I mean, he is so, man, he is so for a man, his size to move like he does the way he can bend the way he can change the direction the way he can pose with one arm

the way he can say he faking I mean he lined it up and he he in and out he's wax on wax off he ripping he bent on the edge he can help you he can get a night hey he he has when it comes to when it comes

to rushing the quarterback he has no weakness because he can turn he can turn power to speed speed the power he just he can snatch pull you he just he's just amazing he's he's and i just hate i just hate that he ain't going to win not in listen he might not win as a team collectively but he's going to win individually he's going to win individually every every time and sometimes in a winning effort defensively sometimes in the losing effort But what you get for Miles Garrett is you get consistency You get consistency from him

And he's going to be an impact Sometimes that impact It results and wins Sometimes it doesn't But he's a force to be reckoned with Week in and week out And the thing is Ocho But when we talk about great

Defenders When it comes to D-Limon What did all of them do? When? Yeah What did Reggie do? Yeah What the straight hand do

what did L.T. do? What did Aaron Donald do? J.J. Watt, you've got, you've got to win. I'm not saying you've got to win a championship. I'm not saying you got to win that, but it's unfair. You go in 3 and 14, you go in 5 and 12. But it's unfair. It's unfair.

You have to think about the situation those players were in. You have to think about the team that they were on collectively, you know, as a group. So they won because of the team that they were a part of. There was an effort on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for Aaron Donald. Michael Strayhand, look at the defense back then. Look at the offense with Eli Manning, some of the things they were doing, you know, during that time. Hell, Reggie White. But you got to realize, that Eagles team with Reggie White.

Man? You got to think about what the Giants were before they got. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to realize what they, before they got Carrie Collins and ended up going to the Super Bowl. They weren't going to, they weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s.

They weren't like that. Hey, all it takes is the quarterback. Stray was doing his brain. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But, and, and guess what? Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie said, I'm going to Green Bay.

You had money. They had money, but they had more money on, at other places. I want to win. time said man Atlanta y'all trying to get me used to losing I want to win got it so at what point in time does my gosh say man here I am I'm getting 23 24 sacks and I ain't I ain't even I ain't even I ain't even sniffing the playoffs I'm not even close to the playoffs that my season is already over think about it Ocho we eight 10 games into the season and the Cleveland

is already know they're eliminated from playing that's crazy that's crazy you six games six weeks into the season, Ocho. We got, Ocho, we got 11, 12 weeks to go. All right. Hey, man, let me see what I'm going to do. And the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There were teams that tried to get him, man. And listen, I don't know the details. I'm not an insider. I don't have the sources, but, you know, the Browns weren't going to do that. I don't think there's anything a team could offer them where they would have done it because I think a team that would be. No, no, not not now. No, I don't think, I don't think I be personally I don't think he

wanted to leave him because he's on a great he's on a great pace right now I think that's something they might revisit in the art because I'm going to make hey I'm going to make you tell me like beetle juice beetle juice you're going to have to tell me no you know how I'm saying you got to tell me no

you got to tell me no I ain't going to lie to you got to tell me no because he's a man he's a hell of a hell of a hell of a player the real deal and he got an opportunity he's going to go down as one of the all-time great. But I want to see him.

I want to see him on an all-time. I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in an AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see him in the Super Bowl. I want everybody to see Miles Garrett. Not just, I want him to see just how special he is. And I have to see it watching highlights because you got to think about it. You know, as great as he is, I mean, how many people are tuning in

to see the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans? unless it's the team that they're playing unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the browns that's about the that's about the only time yeah going back to should do or wide tell us said after the game this is what he said why tell us said on shoulder i think i've heard his catered like two or three times i think it's going to come i think going out at halftime we all got on the line he said it's cadence and we're kind of okay got through it again a lot of learning but we but he played his heart out We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1.

Stefansky wasn't even getting Shadour, his backup, at least minimal reps during the course of the week. I get Flacco to a certain extent, Cho, because Flacco is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can. But at some point in time, I'm not saying you split it 50-50. I'm not even saying you split it 60-40,

but you can't you can't find a way to get that man two reps in a period of Joe so the offensive line the running backs and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that because that's very important some people have a slow cadence some people have a fast cadence you got and you need to be able to hear it so I was I was surprised that that Stafansky said that man since the man got drafted you know they had to draft yeah yeah yeah I know how long ago it was but day is the day is Sunday is that 16th November 16th June July August September October November so see but you have to understand the first time that man got first team

repped was today in an actual game against a division but you have to understand that that wasn't their call that is not the player that they wanted they had they had their mind made up they had their mindset on who they wanted to be you know quarterback number one obviously it was Joe Flacco when things didn't work out with Joe Flacko they were going to Dylan Gabriel as their as their as their quarterback yeah they did they they just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans you know now that that's their business that's that's the way they felt now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion hoping I'm hoping he's okay and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for

the Browns being that he is the one that they wanted to be their starter so I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back once he clear concussion protocol but now if Dylan Gabriel is out, now Shadour has a whole week. He has a whole week to get all those things down to get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry with the receivers, with the linemen so they can hear that cadence and understand, understand, you know, the sound and how he's going to call plays in the huddle and obviously at the line of scrimmage. Let's take a listen to what Shadur had to say after the game, Mocho. But it's different when it's different body types going out there, a different way how people

get out of routes. What I seen on the pick initially was I see his hips turn. So I'm like, okay, we're going to be able to get out there. But at the same time, like playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers. I like knowing the small things with the good at, what they're not good at. It's like so many details that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know, you know, we at the bottom right now.

This performance, everything, it will never be like this. But, you know, I'm dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those guys to have a relationship, you know. I got a relationship with all the hungry dogs, though. We let clockwork out there. But you just got to see, you just got to see everything a little bit more, you know. like them come out routes and do all different type of stuff so you want to go to the next sound before we respond to this let's take a listen to what miles garrett had to say about your door after the game don't don't be discouraged from no one drive or two drives it's a good

football team over there so there just just no trying to keep him to no keep his confidence high and uh don't keep on chasing that standard which he said and we're going to continue to support You know, he spoke after the game, and, you know, he wanted to pin it on, you know, himself and his performance, but we're not going to allow him to do that. You know, it's a team game. So we're all on this together. I said he addressed the entire team in the locker room. Yeah. Hey, you know what, too, Unk, as a receiver, and, Uncle, you're going to test this and with great understanding.

And those you in the chat that are listening, I don't think they understand how important it is to have a cadence with your receivers. to understand and to work with them, you know, throughout the week. So to understand their movements, you know, their tendencies and when they're going to break, when they're going to get out and being able to be able to throw the ball. I think people think you just get out there and you just throw the ball to your receivers and it's just that easy. It's just that easy. But there's a timing and cadence to it and rhythm to it that that's why you always hear players

talk about throwing with your quarterback in, you know, in the offseason and throwing with them in practice and getting those. those reps so everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is spared up times 10 and you can tell and you know when the players about to break based on his mannerism based on his body language and I think people watching the game of football thing is just so easy you know you get the ball and you just throw it and the guy has to get open but that that's not the way it works when you have other players everything is easy that you can't do uh-huh everything is easy that you can do yeah i know what you mean i know what you yeah those

that can do those that can't talk about others that can do yeah you you right you right let me ask you a question oh cho you played with tom brady do you think tom brady would allow some some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on son because he wouldn't trust you thank you neither with patent manning neither with John Elway because if there's a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game you best believe John Elway was going to see you run a dig or

and cut or over route a slant a comeback a stop or smoke a shake he's going to see you do it in practice and guess what when it comes time to one on one guess what he's going to say no don't wear A T let him get up there I want to see what we can do

I've been with you for seven years I've been with you for eight years but he's going to want to see what those guys can do because if I got to go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I need to know I can trust you. I need to see some matterisms. Hey, you tell him, bro, let me know when you're going to break out. Bro, I got to know when you're going to break out. You just can't do that. Make sure you get your debt. Hey, I can't, I can't, I can't listen. This is 707. I can't be, pardon the language, chat. I can't be back here jacking his ball, which means he can't be

all. All that pat, you get your head knocked off. Oh, no. You get your head knocked off. No, he can't do that and you hear me saying guys what y'all think this is seven on seven no that ball's got to come out one two three balls out one two three four five balls out so to ask your door to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center he hasn't thrown to judy he hadn't thrown the hand he hadn't thrown to any of those guys and expect him to work a miracle we're not making excuses but look as time progresses he gets more and more time we'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance but I think it's unfair to give him a grade if I were to give him a grade I would say incomplete incomplete hey listen be hey hold on we ask him to take a check we

without studying without without studying I mean that that's unfair if you listen if you're going give me a assignment right at least give me the curriculum give me the curriculum that I can properly study so I can pass the goddamn test that's all make it make it fair make it fair for me just don't throw me hey don't throw me out there blind

I give you chat I don't know how many of you guys went to college I don't know how many I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school imagine short of your first day of class and the teacher gave you a test

and you don't know what the hell it's on no no no no you know the class you're in the history class you in a science class you in a chemistry class and the first day you show up

There you go. Whoa, whoa. What did you do that at? Damn. Hell, you ain't even give me the syllabus. You didn't even tell me what we're going to be going over

this quarter, this semester. Hold on, I'm for an act like we're in church now. Go ahead. It's tough, chat. And look, y'all know me. I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done or you don't. but having played this game,

having been a guy that's been in the situation that should do it, that didn't get a whole lot of reps. But, and when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in the game when you're taking no reps. I've never thrown to Jerry Judy.

The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is Pat and Go in warming up. I've never thrown to these guys. The center has never snapped me the ball. because normally when I'm throwing Pat and Go, Ocho, they throw in the ball underhand. The ball's throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that.

The centers are down there, the line with are down there working on some other stuff. So until we come as a team to stretch, then they go do, you know, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 907 or whatever we're going to do. Or they got the individual peers and then we have our individual peers

and then we come together. But I just think the thing is, that he just needs some time. He needs to work with that offense. They need to get his use to his cadence. Stefansky needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in.

I definitely think we'll see a better chador next week. If he starts, I guarantee you we'll see a better chador than what we saw. It's all about preparation. It's all about preparation. It is. It's one thing. When opportunity presents itself,

if you're prepared, it looks different you're a lot more confident but if you don't know what to prepare for or don't have the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare for said tests this is what you get exactly

oh Joe you ain't winning war without the proper weapons so cannons and musket nah they're doing it now they're doing it with drones So, hey, they, they, hey, they, hey, they drop in bunker busters from B-52s. A bunker buster?

It's a whole, uh, yeah, they got those bombs now, Ocho, you drop it because they, people, you know, they dug in the side of the cave, they drop them and they, they mess up the whole bunker, huh? And then explode. Oh, man. So, oh, Joe, ah, I'm sorry. What happened? Hey, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, do me favor, do me favor. Let's say that for land. Let's say that for land.

No, no, we can't say that for land. Oh, Joe, we got to go to that. We got to go now because we got some good stuff. We still got a lot of stuff to go. Nice. The Pittsburgh Steelers, stay at the top of the AFC North, thanks to a 3412 victory, although Aaron Rogers left the game, what many believed to be a crack in his, a break in his wrist.

Mason Rudolph came in, finished 12 or 16, 1, 27 of the touchdown. He relieved Aaron Rogers, who was not a 15, 116, and a touchdown. They won 34 to 12, but that was not the story of the game. Something happened late in the ball game. Jalen Ramsey was ejected for punching T. Not T. Higgins, Jamar Chase in the face. They asked Chase, excuse me, they asked Jalen Ramsey what happened. Huh?

Okay, we got, okay, let's take a listen to what, what Ramsey said after the game. He's spelling, so it's up. I'm going to get football after that, respectfully. Okay, here's what Chase said. Walk us through what happened with the jail? Um, exchanging words. You were saying that you spit on him, did you spit on him? I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy.

So what do you think talked to the reaction from him with? Well, he don't like some of those words I told him. We've been going back and forth the whole time, so I'm sure some shit, some got under this guy. Yeah. Oh, Joe? All good. Here, here.

We got, we got, we got, we got Austin Brisket. Briskey, Briskey, Austin Britsky, Fox 19. He got it all on tape. Let's take a look at this. Oh, Cho. That's your guy. I've met him a few times. I like Chase.

He's the best receiving in football. But he spit on Jalen Ramsey. And you know, and everybody knows I've been a, abundantly clear where I am, the most disrespectful thing you can do. Yeah, we know the N-word. We know the connotations and what it summons up. But my grandpa, well, my grandfather used to always say,

he said, boy, you don't spit on the, if you're telling me I'm the ground, that is the lowest thing you can do. Oh, Cho, he spit on that man. And he lied. And Jalen Ramsey said, Jailen Ramsey said he spit on me. So it's up after that. F football after that point. Take it away.

I mean, Uno, y'all know how I feel about, by Uno, you know how I feel about Jamar. And, you know, I'm really critical of players, very rarely. It takes a lot for me to be critical of someone. But this is one of those situations where I got to let Chase know where you're there wrong. As much as I love you, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can be angry. You can be mad.

You can say what you want to say to a player on the field. But you can't spit on nobody. young boy you can't spit on nobody obviously you know cooler heads will prevail but in those situations like that when you're angry i know you're frustrated uh the game might not be going your way you're not getting the ball the way you want to get the ball you know how these division games go uh situations like this happen all the time especially when it's bangle steelers it's just like this it's tight it's tight you get angry you get frustrated but you can't you can't you just you just can't you know as much as i love you i'm disappointed obviously

and your actions. I'm going to talk to you. I haven't had the chance today. You know, I don't want to bother you. But if you look back, you think about it, you probably won't be in this situation again, knowing the NFL and the way they discipline. They'll probably suspend you for a game.

And, you know, it'll probably never happen again. It'll probably never happen again. But this is something you just can't do, young bull. You can't do this. You can't. Just on it. just say you know my emotions hey jalen i'm sorry my emotions got the best of me when emotions are high logic is low ram i'm sorry i let my emotions get the best of me y'all i was wrong i was

dead-ass wrong for what i did it's hard to do something now publicly ohcho and nobody sees it because everybody is everywhere aren't because ocho if they're having a conversation and you know Hey, sometimes when I get excited, I have to, man, I'm sorry, I ain't mean to spend. We've all done that. We get excited. We start talking and we accidentally, accidentally spray them. But that wasn't no spray, Ocho. That was not no spray.

That was not a spray. And he did it and he lied to reporters. And he said, I ain't, I ain't opened my mouth. You did, Chase. You wrong, bro. You're wrong. And I know that's not. What you did, I'm not going to define you by that.

But you did that. I don't believe in Ocho that, that, that, that, see, the worst thing that person done, that is, that, that's who we, that who, now obviously, we got repeat offenders. But there's nothing in his history, there's nothing in his background that would suggest this is not, he is. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, the NFL, they should sit, they got to sit you down. They've got to sit you down for a game.

That's the least they can do. Jalen Ramsey, you're going to get fine, a little fine, but they're not going to suspend you. Because your suspension was you got kicked out of the game. That was your, that was your punishment. And you're going to get fine. You'll probably get fine, I don't know, 12,000, 25,000, something like that. But Chase, you're going to get suspended. And I don't know why, Chase, I don't know, Ocho.

And I've been mad, Ocho, I know you've been mad at people. I've been mad at people. I could, but to spit on somebody, do you know how disrespectful, how degrading that is, as a black. man you chase you know the history of in Louisiana in the south that's what they

used to do to your grandpa your great grandpa your great grandma yeah when they was trying to integrate the schools come on chase we got to be better than that we can't do that to each other I get it yeah we get upset yeah we get angry but come on

we got to do better than that when it comes to each other for us I might disagree with something you said, I might not like what you said. And like I said, hey, but I, I can't. I cannot do that because what happens is, Ocho, if you

spit on somebody, whatever that individual does to you after that, I'm good with. Yeah. If they, whatever, whatever, if you spit on somebody, and that goes for family member or anybody, if

you spit on somebody, whatever that person does to you, after that oh well you're right because Ocho the thing is you get to control your actions you don't get to control the consequences

that comes from your actions you're right you're right I'm just disappointed because he would have been the last person I would have thought that would do something like this like I said I've been a random half

time not like you Ocho I don't know like you but he was all you know guys normally when they see me they respect for A, uh, what's going on, how you do it, blah, blah, blah. But man, damn. I mean, and I want, and I wanted to believe,

because like I said, I've been around Ram a little bit. But he's not like, I said, not the little bit of time I've been around him and what I've seen him, you know, we deal him a couple of times. He don't strike, never got to just make some up. Honestly, you gotta think, you gotta think these boys, especially when they come to Jalen,

when it comes to Uno, you know, I'm around these fellas consistently all the time, you know, whether it's working out, whether it's hanging out, whether it's Eden, I hang out, I hang out with Jalen when he was down here in Miami. And obviously, you know, my, my relationship with Chase, you know, since he got drafted, now that's, that's something even, even, even more close. And none of these individuals are like that.

But emotions get the best of us at sometimes, sometimes we make mistakes. And I've been in situations we've mostly got the best of me. And I've done things that are totally out of my character, out of my character. It's totally uncharacteristic of who I am and what I represent. everything that I stand for. And I think this is one of those situations for Chase. This is something that happened where obviously logic was low because emotions were high. I was upset. I'm frustrated. The game's not going well. Then they got them trash talking to me. We going back and forth. And it just, it got the best of them. And I'm, I'm really not the one that's

that, that is in positions to be the voice of reason. But I'm probably one of the few people outside of family members that Uno will listen to. He will listen to and actually listen and take heed to what I'm saying because I've been in situations where not to this magnitude, we're not thinking, we're not thinking straight, you know, it can cost you. You know, now this is going to cost them. It's not going to cost them, you know, as much as it did for me, for being in a situation where my logic was low as hell, huh?

I mean, it was super low. And it cost me a lot. Now, this is just on a small scale, still in a very disrespectful manner. But that's why you're the perfect person to speak on this, because you've been in a similar situation where emotion was high and logic was low. And sometimes when the situation like that, we let our motion get the best of us. And that's not who we are. But in that moment, just for a second, you threw caution to the wind.

We've all been there. And my thing is, Chase, you didn't have to lie. All we would, everybody's going to look at you a certain way. But you'd say, you know what? All you had to do is say, Ram, I'm sorry. You should have, hey, you should have made peace with that man. Hey, y'all get me Ram's number. I'm going to call him.

I want to call him and tell him as a man. I say, bro, I'm going to tell him the world that I did. I was wrong. I was dead ass. But I wanted to tell you first, man to man. Ram, I'm sorry, bro. That ain't me. Bro, you know me.

That ain't me. We're both competitors. You're fighting your ass off of your team. I'm fighting my ass off of my team. And my emotions got the best of me. Ram, I'm sorry. all right bro man i i really hope you forgive me because i don't want your family this i don't want your family to look at me in that light um and i don't want my family to look at me in that light

to know that i did something like that because i know my family would be very disappointing in me so i'm coming to you as a man but i'm gonna tell the world i did what i did i did and i want to apologize to you as a man i'd have i'd have got him in the tunnel i'd went to the tunnel i say bro So, hey, I'm going to go, look, I'm going to do my press conference, but I'm going to find Ram and say, I'm sorry. I would have. And I think he will. And, hey, that's between him and Ram.

I don't have to know about it. Everybody's talking about, well, he did it. No, I'm good. Just apologize to the man, and we're going to keep on moving. But just no, man. Ocho, they like when you and I first got in the league, they got a couple of cameras. Bro, they catching everything. They catch everything.

And that's why you see guys cover their money. mouth when they talk to one another, Ocho, because guess what? People try to read lips. Y'all tried to read exactly what Ocho and I talking about. Man, it seemed like he said, remember when Jalen Brown was on the sideline and he and his girl, and they was talking about Brody? Oh, yeah, yeah, on the side. Yeah, I remember that, yeah. They did read his lips. That's right. That's right. Remember that. I remember that. Exactly. Exactly. And, um, we're going to get we don't get the situation rectified, though. We're going to get it rectified. I know. I know, look, but let me ask you question, Ocho.

The league got to step in because we, and it happened. I mean, but to see, I mean, what? I think it's the second of the third time that this has happened this year. Yeah, we had with Jalen Carter, week one with the Cowboys. Jalda. I guess, or that. I think there was another situation. I'm not sure. It was college.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but listen, the league's going to step in. They're going to obviously discipline them. It'll probably, probably one game suspension. Listen, I didn't, I didn't call, I didn't call him the night. He got enough to deal with, as it is, you know, coming off a loss. I allowed 24 hours to go by. So tomorrow, you know, I got to fly to New York tomorrow.

So when I fly to New York, I'm going to take that time out. Being that, this is off day, I'm sure they're probably going to watch film, and I'm going to catch him later on and even. And just talk to him. Just talk to him a little bit about, you know, being able to use logic, even in situations when you're not in your right state of mind. Because at times it can cost you, and I'm the perfect example of not using your mind in the right state of mind. And it's not going to cost you big this time, but it cost me my whole career. You know, so using that example with him in a small situation, which was extremely disrespectful, you know, would be perfect because I'm just, I'm a prime example.

Yep. Oh, Cho! Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I told you. before we we going we going off the uh the bangham game already what you want to talk about oh give the big of you i don't know what you want to listen uh brother darnel washington the way he ate oh listen the way hey hey uncle he piss me off man he's supposed to be playing with a goddamn knicks or something no actually he's supposed to have a 70 number

he's supposed to be an officer tackle hey um but hey a joker six seven because he got a job yes you see how he moved respectful i'm like why are you pushing on people like that why are you at tight in hey hey down i washington boy you was bawling out tonight all stealer fans for those you that in the chat you know how i feel about you i love you i've always been respectful and shown sportsmanship and i've shown grace whether we won or whether we lost i was always respectful but darnet washington what you did to my teammates i had to avenge them So whenever I see you in public in the off season, just know we're going to squabble. We're going to square up and we're going to fight.

But boy, you had a hell of a game, boy, you had a hell of a game. Salute to y'all, still a fan. Congratulations on your win today. I love y'all. Y'all got it. I hope Aaron Rogers is okay. If he's not okay, I think it's his non-thowing hand. I think something in his wrist is not throwing hand that might be broke.

Aaron Rogers, do me a small favor. Put you a hard cast on now. Put your hard cast on now. And let's play ball next week now. Let's play ball next week. We could play with that, whether it's a small break, a little break, or if...

I don't know why you're talking about our team. Why are you talking about our team? You're not even a stealer. Well, I'm saying, that's not your team. They're in the AFC North, so I feel compelled to be able to... So are the Ravens? Hold on.

My team. Hold on. Listen, I feel compelled to support them because my team is out right now. That's all. Oh, your team, big, I've been told you that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that because if we won the day, if we had won the game today, we would have had a chance. But I told you you weren't going to win. I told you you're going to lose your next. I told you how many games. Chad, how many times did y'all hear me telling? Ocho, y'all about to lose out.

And although the window is open, Joe Burrow is back at practice, a little head of schedule, the 21 day window is open. He ain't coming back. Come back for what? It's all good. It's all good. It's all good.

It's all good But I know a team that did win the day The team that I told you was going to win Yeah, the Ravens did win the day The Ravens beat the Browns, huh? And did it And my other team won Wait a minute

Did he ever beat the cheese? Beat them Hey, it was a Beed them A, a field goal at the end of the game, huh? Beat them, got the ball And went down the field field goal at the end of the game, if I'm not mistaken, right?

Okay. Yes. Okay. Hey, guess what? They count the point. Field goal points, right? Yeah, it do. It do.

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