Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Angel Reese DOMINATES Caitlin Clark & Fever + Knicks CHAMPIONSHIP Parade + Who is SUCKING TOES At the Parade?! + Iso Joe DRY SNITCHES on Son

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark battle, Knicks Championship Parade, fan caught sucking toes and Iso dry snitches. Timeline:00:00 - Introduction04:25 - Dream beat Fever23:35 - Knicks Victory Parade36:45 - Ocho or Paul George sighting at the Knicks parade (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Huge, huge win for the Atlanta dream. They're on the road and they went on the road and they defeated the fever, for 108 to 101. The game was tied at 95 with just over three minutes to go. The crowd was into it. And suddenly the fever offense fell apart. Andrew Reese led the dream with 21 points and 11 rebounds and a big, big, A and one in the final minute of the ball game.

They had five ladies and double figures to offset Caitlin Clark had 26. Kelsey Mitchell had 26 and Alia Boston had 23. But it was not enough to take down the dream. They got 17 from Nass Hilton, 21 and 11 from Angel Reese. Alicia Gray had 17. Jordan Canada had 18. Ryan Howard has 16. And to go on the road and win this ball game, Joe, the dream of the different team.

You look, I understand they went to the playoffs last year, but Angel Reese has given them something that they were missing. And obviously they knew they needed it because they made the trade for it. They were willing to give up a first round pick to bring her in. And she said all along. and she caused them flat. I'm not the problem in Chicago. Now, y'all going to find that out once I'm gone,

but y'all want to make me out to be the villain, and I'm going to play this role for another two to three months. But once I get up out of here, y'all going to see, y'all not that good. Go ahead, Joe. What do you think about this game? I thought the game was great. You know, with the dream, obviously almost having five people

with five players with 20 points, Uncle Ocho. Now, they all didn't have 2016, 17, 17, 18, Reese had 21. But, man, when you're talking about promise from the Atlanta dream, man, they look great, bro. I mean, they went on the road and beat a great Indiana team. I mean, we got to give them credit. Indiana, they had three girls with, what, 25 points? Boston had 23, Kelsey Mitchell had 26, Caitlin Clark had 26.

They shot 56% from the floor, Joe, 47% from the three, but they had 17 turnovers. And that's what did. Yeah. When you look at the dream, man, they're a blue-collar working team, fellas. When you look at it, they're hard nose, they're going to fight, scratch, claw, do whatever it takes to get a win.

That's why I enjoy watching them play. Obviously, Angel Reese, I feel like she's the catalyst because her energy and effort, you know, you can't make up for that, bro. You know, I don't know why Chicago was willing to give her up, but I'm glad she came to Atlanta. You know what I mean? And I think Atlanta has some problems to where they're really a team that's capable of really probably winning the title, honestly.

I mean, because going into Indiana, it ain't no easy feet, bro. You got to go in there with your mind made up and ready to play with your hard head on. I think the thing is with Angel is because she was such a young player, and you know how it is, guys. We've all been young players that graduated and the veteran players that we played very, very well. young players are supposed to be seen and not heard. Whatever criticism you may or may not have, keep them to yourself. And definitely do not voice them publicly.

If you want to say something within the locker room, you want to take it to upper management, that's fine and good. But when you air these grievances out, and so they've cast her to be the villain, that was an easy role for her to have because she's been the villain ever since she played Caitlin Clark

in the National Championship game. She's been the villain ever since then. And so it was easy for them to put that cape on her, that crown on her head, and so she could wear it. And she gladly accepted it. But that doesn't diminish who and what she is. She's a lunch pal lady that's going to get you second chance opportunities. She's going to dominate the glass. She is a hustle, hustle player.

Is she going to look like, does she have the prettiest shot? No. But she's the type of person that you can win a championship with because she's going to give you so many. opportunities on the offensive end because she's going, hey, she coming out of the game every night with somewhere between three to five offensive rebounds every single night. Hello. She is a monster. And when you take into consideration that since Andrew Reese and Caitlin Clark has came into

the NBA, Uncle Ojo, they changed the trajectory of the way the league is being seen, the way people look at them, view them, and obviously the pay, the pay has gotten better. That's why it's hard for me to process when I see these girls being jealous of these girls. It's like, bro, they're helping everybody out. You know what I mean? They're helping everybody. How in the hell can you be mad at these girls when you should be helping them? Yeah, I ain't saying when you play against them to take your light on it.

Yeah, compete, compete to the fullest. But at the same time, bro, they've done great justice for the game for the women's game. And I think the thing is that a lot of times what people don't understand, and I didn't really understand it until I got into the business. Sports are about stories. Yes. I know fans look at wins and losses but about stories. When Lab Bird and Magic Johnson got to the NBA, it was a story, a very compelling story.

Now, we don't talk about this too much, but what color was Bird? What color was Magic? Where was Bird in the Eastern Conference? Magic was in the Western Conference. Boom. We got a storyline that we can ride for the next several years. Angel Reese Caitlin Clark come. Boom.

Boom. Perfect. because Bird and Magic played in the national championship game in 79 in Salt Lake City. And guess what? Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese played a national championship game. And here we go. So we have a very, very compelling storyline to embrace and wrap ourselves around. Because just imagine, Ocho, your sport, soccer, if we got Messi and Ronaldo in the World Cup final.

Hey. Hey. What would the storyline be now, Ocho? It ain't just about, hey, it ain't just about goals. Yes. What's the chances, though? That's what sports are about. It's about storylines.

Look at the storyline with the Knicks. Jalen Brunson, a second round draft pick, 30 teams passed on him at least once. Guess what? He was on a team, and they didn't want him. And he goes there and they said, you know what, an undersized guard can't be your lead dog. Yeah.

A great storyline. sports are about stories. The better the story, the more compelling it is to watch. Tom Brady, great. Is there a better story than Tom Brady than LeBron James? Are there any better stories? No. Go ahead, Joe.

Hey, I'm going to say, Uncle Joe, that's what makes sports so dope. That's what makes sports so dope. So regardless of what sports you play, each player has an individual story and that end of the story is what makes them who they are, which in turn keeps the people coming back to said sport because of the stories. No different than what you say about nightcap. Yeah, people come to hear the sports, you know, they hear to come about to talk about sports, but the story, Joe, they stay for the stories.

Absolutely. They stay for the stories and the experiences that we've had throughout life. The funny thing about it is, Joe and Uncle, when we talk about the story that we've had, a lot of people don't even know how relatable would be out to them. Yes. Because we haven't been through the same stuff. Yeah. We've always been the same stuff.

So, I mean, I mean, it's dope. It's dope. So I'm very happy, you know, for Angel Reese and Uncle, like you said, too, also, Joe. And she's always been the villain. She's been able to wear that crown. She's been able to wear that mask, avoid being villainized in general, and play right into it. I love y'all guys. They're talking about LeBron's story doesn't play.

A man, a man born to a single 16-year-old mother. Didn't have a dominant male. grew up into projects, move around and round and round and round and arguably became the greatest basketball player ever. Not two parents. A single mother. Tom Brady story's phenomenal. Sixth round draft pick.

I was a seventh round draft pick. I understand what it's like. But see, it was easier for Tom Brady and Shannon Sharp to become what they be because they had no expectations. The greatest killer of careers is expectations. Expectations. Imagine, imagine. And we see people drop when their parents have been successful.

And their grandparents have been successful. And all of a sudden, Ocho, they're expecting that. That's where the term black come from. Yeah. So when you have grandparents, you have two or three generations that are successful. And all of a sudden, you're following that lineage. And you don't, some people can't handle that. Yes.

Because it's like, well, damn, what, what happened to you? Your grandparent, your great-grandfather, your grandfather, your father, your brother, your mother, her mother, her father, expectations are the number one killer. And I think the thing is, what Andrew Reese and what she's been able to bring, she's unapologetically, unapologetically herself. She'd make no apologies for who you are. Take her to leave it. You either like me or you don't. Once you realize how little, how, once you realize how, you realize how you. you realize how few people

act what they really think of you, you wouldn't care. Yeah. Whomever you think the greatest orator is, whoever you think the greatest leader is, tell me the last time you heard somebody mention their name. We all will be forgotten at one point in time. Yeah.

While you hear, you determine what is important to you. Absolutely. What is important to you? you got to have a purpose. I watched Arsenio Hall. I heard Arsenio Hall said, you know what? He's like he left his show and he didn't get right back in it. And it's like he realized he didn't need any more money.

What he needed, money couldn't provide him. He wanted more of that. He said, I had time off. I wanted more of that, not more money, because I understand what comes along with money. More of the rat, I just wanted some time. I wanted to be a dad.

I wanted to go pick him up from school. Yeah. So for Angel Reese to be who she is, make no apologies for who she is, blend right in. She got ladies that can go get buckets. Ryan Howard was the number and overall draft pick, Alicia Gray can get buckets during Canada.

Angel Reese fining seamlessly. Because you really don't have to run a whole lot of offense for, you know, you don't have to run. Because you're going to run no plays for. You're going to go get it. I'm telling you, man, listen, Ocho, she reminds me of a guy who I played with named Sean Marion. Man, listen, listen, you didn't have to run now one play for Matrix, bro. And he was going to end up with 20 and 10 every night.

Okay, Ocho. I'm talking about every night, bro. I'm talking about he was going to go. He just outworked everybody. He had a quick second jump. Like, he was the. difference maker. Happy Pride Months, Toronto.

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He was an all-star playing the three his entire career. And then all of a sudden, DeAntony moves him to the four. And I'm like, damn, how that's going to worry? Sean kind of small? Because normally, back then, I don't think about it. Because you had Seawel, Carl Malone, Rashid, you had real. Barclay? Well, Barclay had retired there by there.

But they were loaded, yes. In the West? I wasn't guarding Power Force back then. You know what I mean? Now Sean got to guard these Power 4s. man, he done a hell of a job. I'm just saying, Andrew Reese. She was a monster.

He was in my draft class. But Andrew Reese, she reminds me of him, bro. She's just outworking everybody who she plays against. And you know playing against a player like that every night, but you got to get your sleep because you know one thing. Hey, hey, she's coming to play, bro. And you got to be ready. She's a little better offensively,

but she's the female version of against Roblin. No question. Because you already know Robben. Robben was getting 15 rebounds tonight. You just tried to keep him from getting 20 or 30, but he was going to get 15, and you try to do everything you possibly could to keep him off the offensive glass because you know he was washing the glass on the defensive edge. Too much of a motor.

Because like you said, Joe, a tremendous second bounce. He'd go up and the next thing you'd be down and back up again. Well, damn, bro, you just left the flow. How the hell you back down? it back up again. Yeah. Hey, but they say Dennis Robbins was one of the hardest workers, bro. Like, when I say hardest workers, no,

he ain't coming in the gym, getting up no damn shots. But you're talking about getting on their treadmill. You talk about things like that because he knows his energy and effort is what's keeping him in the league. That's what's going to keep him being a professional. So he did that to the tee. Man, Dennis Robbins said, man, look here, I might score six points. I might give you that.

But I need to have these 16 rebounds to go below six points. Hey, and then go over the- The man have 20 plus rebounds and no points. Hey, each player got to create their value on. Yes. There's five tails on the court. Then you got your bench. Each player has their own niche that makes them special and makes them valuable.

Once you figure out what that niche is and that pecking order that you guys kind of brought to my attention when it comes to the game of basketball, hey, that is your value. you. And plus the thing is, is that you understand what is this. What is my niche? Because a lot of time guys are not happy with the niche

because rebounding ain't sexy. Player defense ain't sexy. Yo, you know, I got to get you buckets. Hey, man, let me get 20. Let me get 30. Let me cross somebody else. Let me poke on somebody. Dennis Robin understood. Ben Wallace was another one. But listen, I'm never

going to average 20 and 10. Yeah. I'm going to play defense. I'm going to anchor this thing down. Hey, and I'm going to make everything. I'm going to make it tough when you come into paint. But I'm going to get these rebounds. That was Dennis Robin, wherever he went.

I mean, Dennis Robin, average like four. Dennis Robin, 17, 18 rebounds a game for a season. That's crazy. And he's not, and he's not seven foot tall. Oh, I got it.

15 a game. Yeah, you go back and look at his number. Dennis Robin led the league and rebounded like seven times. With the bulls of the pistons. Both. Both. He led to, all three years in Chicago, he led to lead in rebound. Yeah.

Hey, think about this. You know, for the kids who watch and for the kids who coming into the NBA, going into the draft, you got to understand, bro, all these dudes were the man on their team at high school and college. You know what I mean? They put up great numbers. Everybody's not going to be able to do that in the pros, Uncle Ocho. You know, you're going, like you say, you may. ain't not even know your niche when you first get there,

but damn it, you better figure it out if you want to play. Real talk. I'm speaking from experience because I was one of those guys who obviously had a knack for scoring, but my rookie year, bro, I had to find a way to stay on the court, Uncle Ocho, and that's just through my work effort, playing defense, being disruptive, doing whatever I can. I just never wanted the coach to have a reason to take me out the damn game.

Real talk. I never did, bro. So to these young cats who think they're going to come into the league and going to get 15, 20 shots tonight, hell, no, that ain't going to happen, bro. It's going to be a peasant order, and you're going to have to get your ass in line. But in the meantime, while you're in line, you need to be figuring out another way how you can get your ass out there on the court. Yeah.

It's really not that complicated. By the way, hey, as long as I got cleats, I got a job. As long as I got cleats, I just tell the young guys, Cleats on your feet means you got a job. Sneakers on your feet, that means you got a job. And like Joe, so find out what it is. Hey, just, hey, you learn very own. I'm just going to do what.

I might not get it right. I might make a mistake, but it's going to be 100 miles an hour. Because the thing is, they can coach everything else. They can get your technique. They can teach you how to read coverages. They can teach you all that. I can't teach you how to play hard. That's either in you or it's not.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's what the coaches say. Son, don't, hey, let me cut you. Don't cut yourself. Even if you don't know what you're doing, do it 100 miles an hour, and we'll figure the rest of the issue out. Right. Okay.

Hey, boy, Sharpe, you look good. You went wrong, but, boy, you're hauling out. Hey, hey, hey, hey. And it can't just be on days where you feel like it. It's got to be consistent. It has to be a constant. You know, I'm saying for a head coach to trust you, he got to really feel like this is you, this is who you are.

You know what I? And I think when you got a lot of young guys, a lot of young players, because you got to understand now when you come into the NBA, the top guy on the team, hell, he may not be about three, four years older than you. You know what I mean? As to what I came into the league, we had real vets. You know what I mean? So them guys that spent at least three years in college.

Now these guys want and done. You hear me? So you get there. When you wanted done, you were your first year there. He had his second year there. Yeah. He might be your age. So you might go to Dallas and you and Cooper Flagg the same age.

He already got a young guy. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. So, you know, I hope these young guys ready, man. I'm looking forward to it, bro. But it is a learning curve. It's a huge learning curve because some guys don't really get an opportunity to really show what they can do until about three or four years into the league, bro.

It takes that long sometimes. Everybody don't get the, everybody don't get the ball handed to him right away. go ahead and make mistakes. Go ahead and play. Hell no. Someone's got to wait out of turn. It's still all about consistency, Joe. You got to be consistent every day.

Show up every day. Be, hey, things be going mad like, damn. God, damn, bro. Are you ever mad or you ever upset? Hell no. For what? Yeah. The Knicks had their parade today.

Let's check out the scenes from the NYC. Wow You didn't know the people of the street of light Come on man Look at the people in the building They're coming up and they're risking their life Yes You know if they were to far huh

You know if they were getting right below You'll hurt somebody right below what you go to You know in New York by the city You probably shut down today huh Oh for sure The police ain't even tripping they like whatever Yeah for the police to take you in you got to do something really agree.

People going, hey, Y, on Instagrams. That's what it's supposed to be. And for the Knicks, they had the celebrities and Fat Joe and Mariska Hargatay. And I think Ben Stiller was there, although, and Timothy Shalame. I mean, it's, it is just unbelievable. I don't know if anybody treat their celebs and their fans quite. And I understand, look, the Celtics got a great fan base. Yes.

The Lakers, you know, Jack, Spike Lee is the equivalent of Jack Nicholson for L.A. What Jack Nicholson is for L.A., Spike Lee is that for the Knicks. I don't know who that is for the Celtics and all these others, but I'm saying just those two. I don't know, Joe, if we've seen anybody treat their celebs to be in the parade, to walk and get the love and adoration that the players receive? Yeah. That is crazy. It's unbelievable.

It's unbelievable. But that is amazing to see the fat Joe's and all those people get that kind of love and that kind of praise. And the old guard, man, the way they have Patrick Ewe and Alex Houston and Starks and Spree and Grandma Ma, all those guys there, damn to every game.

Hey, Ocho, here's what you got to take into consideration. I'm happy for New York. I love to see it. I think it's great for the game. But when you got about eight, to nine million people living in New York, bro, this is what you get. They are going to support their nicks, die hard.

And look, we always talk about, man, if you win a championship in New York, boy, you're going to be goaded. Forever. Forever. Forever. We're witnessing. We're witnessing history right now.

And it's amazing to see, bro. Look, us seeing all these fans sitting up on the buildings and the light post. and man, that don't surprise me, bro. I expected all this. You know what I mean? I expected all this. If you look at the way they treat their old guard,

the Clyde Frazier, Earl of Pearls, Willis Reed, I think, I don't know if he's still alive, Bill Bradley and the Busher and all those guys. Bird Dog, Bernard King, Mello.

Yeah. Can you imagine, I can only imagine what had, had Mello won a championship, a Bernard King won a championship. Right. But, Lord, have mercy. But this group of guys right here, the team is going to look different next year. Dolan has already told you, I ain't going to the second apron. You know, don't tell you, I ain't going to second April.

So don't be coming and talking about, can we keep this team together? I'm not going into the second apron. Y'all take whatever y'all want to take from that. But this group of guys right here, as you mentioned, World Wide Web and all those guys that put this team together, congratulations, man. That is unbelievable. There's nothing like having that parade. I was fortunate enough to go to one. Well, we had three, but I went to one.

And to see 600, 700,000 fans out there are all in orange. It's an unbelievable. It's an unbelievable daily. And I can just imagine what the Knicks, that was almost 30 years ago for us. But the Knicks. I think the coolest thing for me. me, like, Ocho, when I'm watching, everything kind of unfold. You look at the older Knicks guys, the Larry Johnson's, you know, you look at Mello.

You know, these are two different generations. All these guys are in the parade, as if they, which they have to a degree, you feel me? And I enjoy seeing that part because, bro, they love that Knicks players, bro. Past or present. They do. I'm talking about they would do whatever. So to get it. So for those guys to get a chance to.

ride through this parade to enjoy New York City at probably its highest moment. You know, I think it's a blessing, bro. It's a real blessing. And you know, also, Uncle Joe, it's a good thing. And it says a lot about not just Nick's organization, but it also says a lot about the person who able to greenlight everything. And he gets a lot of flak, a lot of flak. A lot of flak. And you know, he's one who's been able to green like this because most of the time I understand the issue which have been brought to my. And he gets a lot of flak on. And you know, he's one who's been able to green like this, because most of the time, I understand the issue, which has been brought to my attention between Charles Oakley and Mr. Dolan.

And obviously it's unfortunate, but some of these other players, you know, that played in the past that have always been front and the center that have supported in the Knicks, whether doing good or whether doing bad, they've always been there. They've been there. So it's a kudos to Mr. Dolan in that organization for allowing them to be a part of that parade, you know, the blood, sweat and tears and all the hours that they put in, you know, during their time and their tenure and trying to achieve, you know, what today's Knicks players have been able to do, just being able to celebrate them in enough, it feels the void that they couldn't.

Yeah. I mean, Wes has done an unbelievable job. He comes in. He rebuilds the team. He fires Fibado, you know, the trade for Cat and Swap Cat for Giroando, Devinchenzo. But, you know, that had to go because he didn't want to break up that Billingover. Yeah. Four pack.

Yeah. He's done an unbelievable job. And like you said, Ocho, Dolan does take a lot of criticism, but I don't think he'd change a thing, especially how it worked out, because at the end of the day, and Frank Sinatra,

he said it did his way. Oh, he gone? Yeah. Did it his way. And so, yeah, I wish, of all things, like I said, I wish Oke could have been a part of this, because he gave so much to that organization.

Unfortunately, he and Dolan, budding heads. I think for the most part, the large part of the contingent of New York, they know Oak laid it on the line for them for a decade. But, you know, things help. Hopefully one day cooler heads will prevail.

Hey, nobody would have thought that Jordan and Barkley would come back around and see things out of eye and it seemingly that's happening. And so hopefully when it's all said and done, when you realize the petty differences that we may or may not have,

it really isn't worth it. And so hopefully, Oak and Dolan to be able to work these things out, sit down and have a conversation and move on. Yeah. Hey, I want to give Mike Brown a lot of credit too, Uncle Ocho.

You know, I think some of the adjustments that he made coming to New York, meaning putting the ball in cat hands and letting them be a decision maker and not being so brunts and heavy, you know, throughout the games, I think it helped make them. It made them a better team, bro.

It made them a lot better team, you know, because they were less predictable. You had so many guys involved, whether it was O.G. Bridges, Hart, Brunson, Kat. You know, you got guys coming off the bench who played big minutes. Alvarado, I think probably, you know, especially those last two games when he threw Alvarado, when they were down 29 and then in the garden

and they end up coming back winning their game. He played some significant minutes. and they gain five, too. He pushed all the right. Yes, sir. So I want to give him his credit, bro. He's a hell of a coach who's been there. I think he won one as an assistant coach,

but now as a head coach, I'm sure it feels a lot of sweet, especially being in New York. I've seen the clips of him having a great time, which he should. And it's amazing to see, bro. It's amazing to see. I agree with you, Joe. And I think the thing is that, like, when you in Cleveland, it didn't work out.

Wasn't he at the Lakers too? Didn't he coached? I know he coached Sacramento. He coached somewhere. He was in Golden State for a while. I know he coached Golden State because I think he coached a couple of games when Steve Kerr was having that issue with his back. Yeah.

Let me see. But I think the thing is like when you don't have the success that you think, now he was successful in Cleveland. You know, he was coached of the year. They won 66 games. They went to NBA finals. LeBron with 22 years of age. Ran into that juggernaut sport.

Spurs team with Duncan, Manu and Tony Parker. But you know you live and you learn and you're like, okay, these are some of the mistakes that I made at other stops. Let me not make those mistakes here. Yeah. And I think the thing of a great coach is to understand that when I made mistakes, okay, this is what I did well, this is what I did wrong. Let me try to highlight and accentuate what I did good.

Let me try to highlight, let me try to stay away from what I did back. I thought so he did coached the Lakers. 11 and 12. I thought so. Yeah, he took over for Phil Jackson, I think, in 11 and 12. Okay. Yeah. But this is, like I said, I don't really know Mike Brown,

but I'm pulled for him. Because I understand that, you know, he's been one of the fortunate ones that didn't win a championship with one place and go get a job. Normally, we get the age. Griffin. We get a situation where, you know, guys unsurromanously get released and never to resurface again. We got a guy like Mark Jackson.

And I don't know. I still, I want somebody to tell me what happened with him. You hear all these stories and I don't want to repeat them because I don't know if they're true or not. But you look at the success that he had. He took teams to the playoffs. He's really what started the foundation. And I appreciate Steph and Draymond and Clay giving him credit because he established the

foundation of what the Golden State Warriors were. to become. Unfortunately, kind of like a Tony Dungeon in Tampa, Ocho. He didn't get to reap the benefits of it. Hey, hey, but when you look at it, Uncle Ocho, I'm not even sure Mike Brown was the Knicks first option as far as. No, he wasn't. They said it was like six and seven, but a lot of people turned it down because they saw how he did Thibado.

And they saw that Jim, uh, Dolin is never going to change. That's a never ending battle. Hey, and, and knowing that you coaching in New York, they just came the Eastern Conference Finals, hell, if you don't get back there, you feel like you're probably going to get fired. Yes, absolutely. So for Mike Brown to take that job, bro, you got to have some cahoons, man,

because you hired to get fired if you just want to be 100, unless you win it. I think the thing is, Joe, had it not gotten back, if they not won the title, it was a failure because you hired Thibodeau, you fired Thibodeau, because you felt that, because, see, I looked at it like this. I felt that the Knicks felt that once they beat Boston, Boston was a team that was in their way.

Once they beat Boston, it was smooth sailing. Yes. Before you knew it, they were in a battle with the Pacers. And nobody's seen. And they're like, hold on, wait a minute. We beat the team that won the championship. We ain't supposed to lose to the damn Pacers. Yeah.

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You're still sliding that same old-ass resume across the table. Man, damn, bro. I see, I see you have. hadn't changed jobs in a couple of years. Any new references? But this was unbelievable. We either saw Ocho or Paul George sighting.

Check this out, Joe. You seen the one? That's you with the feet. You're going in. That's you with defeat. Put your hand over that right out. Just let that, oh, that's not by take over. Hey, hey, there we go.

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, sometimes it don't matter where you at. Sometimes you got to get it in. You hear me? Huh? Sometimes you got to get it in. No, man. No, no, you can't do that in the public now.

Hey, hey, uh, listen, there was, there was a time, you know? There was a time, but things used to be just like that. It didn't matter. Man, time wasn't never like that. Yeah, maybe, oh, yeah, you go to, uh, uh, uh, you go to spring break and you drunk. Y'all remember MTV Spring Break? Yo.

Yeah, man, of course. People were wildly like that. Hold on. Hey, I've been to spring break, but you're drunk. Man, come on now. Hey, timeout, time out. Time out. Time out.

Let's rewind. Let's settle down a little bit. We talk about somebody's second tour at the next parade, right? Yes. You do know we were a part of Freakique, right? Let's not act like we've never seen nothing like that in public. And we've seen way worse with Freakneek down in Atlanta now. I'm not going to talk about, I'm not going to tell you about the

times I was there, Joe. Boy, listen to him. Now, now you're talking about language. Because I was smack damn into freaking dick. Hey, I was right there with you. I was just a little younger. They, they, they, they, they reached out to me. I got no comment. I'm saying. Oh, when they, hey, when they did a documentary. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got no comment. Why you get on that man tell your story? No, no. So, hey. Joe, when you were that, that, we was at, during that time, Joe? When was in? What you know?

901. By the time Joe got that, they were done. I mean, back there, and the heart, basically from about 92 to about 97, was that, I'm talking about it was the absolute apex. Apex, yeah. Would that be absolute apex?

I'm talking about, I was still in high school here. Hey, Joe, I was, I was a freshman. I was a freshman in college. And I had a, opportunity to go right there. That's what it was. So I was a baby. I was a baby. I ain't really could. I was, I wasn't shy, but I'm outside of my element based on what I've been able to see because grandma kept me kind of somewhat shelved a little

bit. It was new to me, and I just remember what I saw. Oh, okay. Well, I know you're, y'all don't take me for a guy for guys who do public for on occasion. Y'all don't take me for the kind of guy. Yeah, you'd be out of, I do. I do. I do take you that that's why you know one but but but but but I was said somebody said man so as a matter of fact I was having a conversation today it's like man Joe it's man Joe be real quiet I said man Joe got him I said Joe put that shy that shy that shy brother I said bad little brother I said man hey why yeah I said Joe cut him why you want to put that jacket on me it don't fit me man it's your size

it's an extra large extra large extra long that's the size you wear Joe. He definitely, he got, we got an extra large, extra long jacket for him. That's the size he wasn't. Hey, hey, Joe, you think you fooling us. You ain't fooling this. I can see, I can see that. What you mean?

What, what, what, what, what, what? I ain't the one who's going to Freak and doing all this. I wasn't doing all that. Because you weren't old enough. Had you been older, your ass to be right there. Let freak the hell of, listen, your ass would have been right there. Listen, that one before my time, man. That one would have old my time.

time, but I already know y'all went down there and cut up. I knew why I already know. Matter of fact, it's funny, he ain't go to Freakeney, but I guarantee he made up for it. He made a for. You, you, oh. Joe, you made, you made up for a boy. I would leave one going to another.

Black college beach week, freak Nick, orange crush. I mean, they talk, because Daytona got a black college spring break. I got another one for you too now. Hold on, hold on. What's that? The classic. The classic. family baton at the end of the season.

Yeah, I heard about that. And don't forget about Memorial Day in Miami. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, that was going, Ocho, when I was going to get out there and cut a buck, they weren't out there like that. Hey, listen, let me tell you y'all something. Well, when I first heard about Miami, I was in the league, meaning like I had never really been out there and hung out, okay, Ocho, I ain't going to lie to you.

Yeah. But me and the homies went out there, and I said, you know what, I got a guy out there who say, you're going to train me. We can go out there, train me. you know, workout and party. We're gonna supposed to be out there for three days. Man, we're out there for two months. Hey, all right, Joe, we out there for two months.

I'm talking about how. Damn, how three days turn into two months, Joe. Hey, you know how I go, man. You get out there, you go to mingling, and next thing you know, you're like, well, I think I can stay a couple extra days of one week. Yeah, man. Yeah. Babe.

Boy, they black college beach week, man. boy I put that bill on the road Tallahassee, Atlanta, South Carolina if you had a 400-mile radius I'm coming I'm coming Hey

Freak Nick I ended up Hey I told Shell I say look here The camcorder They got everything recorded on From 90 From Freak Nick And Black College Week week

So basically 90 91, 92, and they got 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97. Put that in the ground with me. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, put that in the ground with me. As a matter of fact, you know what I'm going to do. No, no, no, no, no, because you can't, you got to destroy it. No, no, no, no. You got to go back and look at it, and now and they look.

Wait, hold on, hold on, this is what he need to do, Uncle Joe. You saw a paid and full, huh? Remember Cameron, remember Cameron character when they was in the club, and he showed the old footage? Yeah. You need to get that freak neat footage and show it on nightcap. Oh, no, hell no. Oh, Joe, look here, some of them women, I'm almost certain I'm married.

I'm so sure some of them are grandmas. No, let that alone. Just blur just a face out, man. No, my grandma used to say, boy, staring up old-ish, it still smells. Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, Joe. I know what you're looking for because I got a couple of camcorders with some sim cars in there that's got some stuff on that boy from back when I was in Miami, boat parties and all, oh, yeah.

All the house parties. Oh, boy, the house party was off the chain. Hold on, Joe, what you were doing on the boat? I mean, you know, we're just having a little fun, you know. Oh, hold on, I can't hear you. Take your time. I said we were having a little fun, okay? Yeah, it'll probably, yeah, it's probably about,

it's probably about eight to one on there. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, eight to one. Yeah, yeah, probably ate the one on now. Yeah. We just, hey, hey, hey. You have a good time. Hey, Joe, you don't get a little hot.

You already know. Young She ain't come apart a cold. What you got that thing? What? Bad was I? Yeah. Bad look here. I already know.

Dang. Nah, Ocho, you know, some things, you know what just. I survived it. Like I said. I'm glad I'm old enough because some of the things that were going on, I didn't need to see. And I damn sure they need to be in the vicinity why I was happening. Yeah.

Because I don't see, boy, look here. Yeah, that right there, what you saw on what you, there ain't nothing right there. Oh, are you, who? It was, that was elementary, Joe. Oh, they were getting that out like that. Uh, Joe, what? Man, please.

Joe, you was in Miami already, so I ain't really got to tell you nothing. But y'all want to freak nick, though. Freak me, hey, man, I heard some stories, bro. Joe, you got to realize, hold on. I'm 24, 25, 26, 27. The first time I week, the Black College Beach Week in Daytona,

I had just, I was 21. Walking out of the street, Joe. I'm talking about, hey, me and my homeboy. we don't got to go to the gym and pumped up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Good. Man, you're bad. You ought to see her to pull it over. Good God about it. Hey, they said, where you go to? I said, I'm in Samantha style. I made you see, I go to fam. I said, well, I'm like, what fam at?

Tallahassee? I said, you know what? It's funny that you mentioned that. I got a coach that coach at Tallahasse. I've been wanting to visit him. I'll be down there in two weeks. Boy, I was out like a scout of a new rap. Oh, man.

It was some fun days, boy. They were. They, ooh, yeah. I can't go back. I'm glad. Like, you know what? And when I had all my kids together, and I'm going to have Jordan to post a picture.

Yeah. My kids don't have none of my personality. I mean, some of it. Like my daughter, Kayla, she kind of like quiet, she kind of like to herself. She's moody, explosive personality. But as far as like that, none of them took that from me. I'm talking about none of them.

They got all their mom. I say, thank you, Jesus. Thank you. I can't say the same. I can't say the same. They got your personality, Joe? I wouldn't, nah. My daughter, my daughter.

and my youngest son do, my oldest son, he'll look different. Okay, Ocho. I got, I gotta keep my eye on his ass, boy. He's different, he different. You know, hey, hey, if I'm just keeping it real with y'all, chat, y'all hear me out. I don't call them a few times, you know, doing some, doing some stuff.

He ain't got no damn business doing, you know. You know, hey, Joe, you got to think about it now when you was at age. No, I went to, no, when you were the same thing. When I was his age, Ocho, I wasn't doing that, bro. No, I was too locked in. I was too locked in. You know what I mean?

On what it was I was trying to accomplish. You know what I'm saying? Right. And, yeah. You know how it is, man, you know, but when you get up in them age, 17, 18, 19, your hormones go to rage. There's a young man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And boy, look, you're looking to get that thing with at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you like Christopher Columbus, man. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to go sailing now. Yeah. I'm going to,

hey, I'm a jelling. I'm going to discover. I'm going to discover something. Oh, man. I don't know where, but I'm going to discover something. Hey, but no,

but I, but I, but I look at my kids and sometimes I catch him, I'm like, damn. My son, my son had two girlfriends his entire life.

Mm. He broke up the one and then he married the other one. He'd been married for, I think five years. my daughters I'm talking about they nothing nothing like me right I'm talking about absolutely nothing I knock on wood thank you Jesus but I just knew I was like man God gonna pay me back for this he got to that's what I'm saying bro real talk I can't make this uh okay Ocho check this out so when my son was in

he had to be about he had to be about in eighth grade ninth grade so you know he said man he You know, he playing at the basketball games out of the basketball game. He said, Dad, can my girlfriend come over? This is a school night. It's already about 9 o'clock. School night. He said, man, can my girlfriend come over for, you know, a couple hours? You know what I mean?

I'm like, yeah, man, she can come over. So she come over now. I'm keeping a close aisle. I'm like, yeah, I'll sit your ass in the kitchen on the couch, you know, watch TV. Ain't no going to the bedroom. They ain't going to be none of that. You know what I mean? Just keeping it 100.

So I leave them in the kitchen. So when I do come back in the kitchen, I'm making noise because I want you to know I'm coming. Just in case you trying to do some sneak, you need to get you, you need to get right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to get it up about two, three times. I guess they hit them and got comfortable.

Hell, I come back through that by the third time, the lights off. I'm like, damn, lights off in this morning. Brother, I go in the kitchen. I turn in lights. I'm like, damn, why it's so dark in here? Boy, it ain't nobody in the kitchen. Come on, Joe.

Nobody in the kitchen. Okay, oh, Joe, but to the right, to the right of the living room, it's a bathroom. It's a, the bathroom light on, and I can see people that moving around. And I'm like, hey, hey, man, come on, man, she got to go home, bro. You got to go, what, what's going? So, so that's why I say, boy, listen, because this stuff like that, I wouldn't have never tried with my mama. No. You feel what I'm saying? No.

Hey. First of all, I was too embarrassed because we didn't have no indoor plumbing. We had nothing. So what nobody coming to the house? And even when we got the new house, I couldn't in good conscience. Right. Have no. Now I ain't say in the driveway in the car. But hey, you ain't coming in the house. Hey, that's funny, boy. Nah, nah, no. And Joe, hey, you, hey, Joe, like where you're a car's blocking like a mug. Let me tell you so. Boy, you think you're going to bring a child.

in here and you a child, you think, boy, please. Exactly. We ain't doing that, oh, Joe. They are, hey, I had my daughter, Joe, hey, boy, you thought I was John McInerner, and Anthony Munoz, the way I was blocking. Hey. I had that chime on the door every time.

Hey, come on, look here. I said, guys, because all the friends stayed, they stayed over. I said, look, I said, I'm responsible for y'all. I said, if y'all can't do it right, y'all going to need to go home. That's all I'm saying. I said, ain't going to be no sneaking.

there ain't going to be no going on like that i said y'all just need to go i said calip i'm sorry baby they're just have to go home you can't you i say because but y'all don't told everybody y'all at mr shanna's house and i'm responsible for you oh i said ain't nobody i said ain't nobody coming over here i didn't i didn't had that problem already to talk and joe now my old my older daughters you know they're grown they grown grown you know got their colleague working you know doing their thing my 11 year old baby kennedy after school School over. Daddy, you know, school is over.

I just want to know because some of my friends come over and we have a sweep over. Hey, listen, Mama, we're not doing that because I'm not being responsible for nobody kids. Exactly. Nothing to happen over here. Now, I know you're only 11. You probably ain't doing that wrong. You probably is probably innocent. But even still, I don't want nobody kids under my supervision.

And I act like a child myself. Because you know what? You know what they don't understand, bro? bro, we was once 17, 18, 19, once trying to be sneaky. Man, I know all these damn tricks you try to pull up in here. Come on, man. Let me laugh at you. Now, you know, I'm a grandfather now.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, CJ, CJ got a little daughter. I think my son's daughter, she's four or five, or getting ready to be five. Damn. Hey. Yeah. Man, look here.

Man, I thought I was sleep out. I didn't, like, I wait to my grandma go to sleep. Man, I ease out the house. I didn't know until years later, granted say, Libby, I prayed a minute and night for that boy. I'm thinking I'm being asleep. Hey, she's, I'm thinking she's asleep. Right.

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Our podcast is called Hey, Jonas. We figure since everyone has a podcast, we want it to as well. And we've had some incredible guests so far. And now our good friend, Niall Horn, is joining the show. How's it going, boys? Hey, Niall. It's the same thing with Slow Hands.

Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it? You know, or taste so good can't be about food. You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done. You too, Joe. Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano.

favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was crying. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Mark keep coming to him.

He's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. getting a racist statue removed.

And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. I'm Akela Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 is about both of those things. As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.