Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Baker sues family, Stroud sophomore slump, Rodgers future
Episode Date: November 27, 2024Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 12 of the NFL season including Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Baker Mayfield suing his father and brother’s investment firm, ...claiming they stole $12 million, Houston Texans QB C.J. Stroud suffering a sophomore slump, New York Jets’ Aaron Rodgers resisted injury testing to avoid being benched and much more!03:13 - Malik Nabers has a postgame rant regarding coaching staff06:18 - Baker Mayfield is suing family investment firm09:34 - If you play sports you gotta have amnesia; On Xavier Leggette’s play11:24 - Commanders vs. Cowboys19:45 - What’s up with CJ Stroud?30:50 - Dolphins vs. Patriots37:59 - A Look at the Kansas City Chiefs40:25 - Aaron Rodgers could leave the Jets soon(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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terms, and responsible gaming resources. Brian Dayball said he spoke to Malik's neighbors after the rant.
He's a very competitive individual.
Again, you want to get the ball in his hands and you've got to do a better job of getting the ball in his hands early.
He's a smart young guy that's very competitive and again when you lose like that, it's frustrating.
But we've had good communication as we always have. The Giants play on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys.
Don't talk me to death. Don't talk my head off. I'm about action boss.
I'm about action. We in week 11, we in week 12, whatever week it is.
I'm about action.
And we having a conversation about getting him the ball.
Show me.
Show me.
Cause you can tell me anything and come game day, I get lost in the sauce again.
Matter of fact, the first 15 plays of the game is scripted.
Show me how much you love me.
So I show how much you really mean what you said to me
about my, you know, don't, don't let me waste away.
I know we losing.
I know we having a bad season.
Things aren't going the way we'd like.
We losing just because of the ball.
In fact, let's get the Giants fans something they want.
Let's give them a little entertainment.
Huh?
Put the ball in my hands, man.
It's pretty, yep.
We see what he can do when he get it.
I know that much. Yes. I know that much.
Yeah.
I know that much.
We're seeing flashes of greatness from the young rookie every time he touches
the ball, but for some reason, why not feed it to him?
It's common sense.
If there's going to be some type of shining light on the Giants organization,
allow it to be a number one.
I'm just, I'm based off what I've seen before.
Oh yeah, he's for sure number one, Ocho.
Just give him the ball, let's throw it to him.
But see, look, the Giants not serious.
Because you know how I know they're not serious?
Because Drew Lock has been their backup.
Ocho, how would you feel?
You the backup, you the number two receiver to the X.
X get hurt.
They bring up somebody, and they bring your backup
or somebody from the practice squad
and put him in front of you.
I wonder what the reason for that was.
I mean, honestly speaking,
I would love to hear the truth behind that move.
They ain't trying to win no game.
So I'm assuming you think without Damian Jones
they think they can win games for Drew Locker.
What you saying?
He might stumble into one.
He might get hot throw for 300 yards and win a cup.
No, no, no, no.
We gonna be bad.
We gonna get us a high draft pick.
We gonna sit right here where we are
and we gonna get the quarterback.
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Okay, I know the quarterback you're talking to but I think you over there in Boulder. Yeah.
Who would have the number one pick right now?
Probably Jacksonville. Travis Hunter and Jacksonville? Nah I don't like that I don't
like that I don't like that. Well that's right now that's that's that's that's somebody else gotta come up
there and get him. I don't like that. You know they ain't gonna trade? You know what I
might because the question is can Travis Hunter if you are you Travis Hunter away
from being competitive. Baker Mayfield Ocho is reportedly suing his father and
brother investment firm for $12 million.
Baker alleges misuse of the funds between 2018 and 21, saying they diverted money without authorization to cover expenses.
You see, Ocho? You see, Ocho? Now, see, if he crashed out, he's wrong.
Why would you do that to your, why would you do that to your, why would you do that to anybody
Ocho? Why would you take something from anybody but your brother, your son? Wait a minute,
Nine. You know what the root of all evil is. It's always been money. What ruins families?
Money. It always has and it's always been that way. It's always been that way. You can't trust
anyone around that kind of money. Hell, millions get thousands, hundreds of thousands,
and you add millions to the equation?
Absolutely nothing, they're not gonna do right.
Matter of fact, the people that do it for a living,
forget their investment firm, when it comes to investing,
when it comes to earning, to making money,
it just happens all the time.
You give people power of attorney,
and power to do things that they shouldn't be able to do with your money.
Everyone always has a great idea when it comes to wait, make money, but it's not theirs. They always do.
Well, it ain't mine, so I'm gonna take the chance anyway.
How many horror stories have you heard during your era?
From players during my era?
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without the person actually knowing or willing, do they ever get that money back?
I've never heard of somebody recovering a hundred percent on the dollar.
I mean, you might get, you might get 30, 40 cents on the dollar, but still,
Ocho man, 12, man, that's a lot of, first of get, you might get 30, 40 cent on the dollar, but still, man,
12, man, that's a lot of, first of all, 12 million, if they spent 12 million,
that means Baker had to make 25 million because that's how I don't understand
that people, I hope y'all understand that when you're in the tax bracket,
the Baker Mayfield is $12 million.
That means he had to make 25 million.
million dollars. That mean he had to make 25 million.
And it.
That's why you got to be real careful. You got to be real careful, even with family.
I try what I try to do, Ocho,
me personally, and I want what's best for my family.
But I couldn't invest that. I couldn't invest that kind of money.
No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about your family.
I'm saying in general, I couldn't do I couldn't invest that guy. I couldn't invest that kind of money. You mean, no, no, no. Greg, I'm not talking about your family. I'm saying in general, I couldn't do the same either.
You have to have an understanding
what money does to people.
And if you have people in your family
or people that you're dealing with in general,
they'll do anything for a dollar, bruh.
If it comes to the money, we making,
actually the kind of money we make it right now.
Can't do anything.
Oh yeah. You got the wrong people in your corner.
If you had the wrong people in your corner that would do anything for a dollar, they'd
do anything to you for that as well.
Xavier Leggett said he's still not over his drive past in the fourth quarter of
yesterday's loss against the Chiefs.
He said he texted Bryce Young last night saying he couldn't have placed the ball
any better and he's going to make up, make that play up next time.
I like X man. I like him. I like him. I like how much he's improved on that
offense especially after my comments months early in the season about you
know not having any weapons there and everybody over there
just stepped up.
Bryce Young has stepped up, obviously having the confidence that he needs to be
at the hand of Elm and be the quarterback and the leader of men, you know, in that
Carolina Panthers team and the receivers.
They've stepped up including X.
So, you know, you drop the ball back to the drawing board, boy.
Move on, it happens, bro.
24 hour rule.
There is a 24 hour rule. It's just like playing DB. You get beat on the play. Okay, boy. Move on, it happens, bro. 24-hour rule. There is a 24-hour rule.
It's just like playing DB. You get beat on the play, okay, boom, you let it go.
You drop the ball, you cut the ball.
Nah, DB, you ain't got 24 hours.
You got 24 seconds.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially in game, but the fact that he's still thinking about it after the fact,
you got to let that go, because you can't even let that linger like that.
You can't even let that linger like that.
You know, you're doing your doing your thing you doing your thing continue
Yeah, the bill on top
One after another you don't want it to linger onto the next place
You're making about the play you didn't make and here comes another play you you f that one up. Yeah
Mm-hmm. It happened every time bro. You got to have if you play sports you got to have amnesia. Yeah quick
You ain't real quick Bro, you gotta have, if you play sports, you gotta have amnesia. Yeah, quick. Hey. Real quick.
I don't know what happens.
I was gonna say, I know that ain't tight or something there.
Hey bro, X.
Hey bro, it happens.
You're gonna probably drop some more, but just make sure you catch more than you drop.
Then you'll be just fine.
The Cowboys beat the Commanders to snap a five-game losing streak by the score of 30,
40, 26.
In the last two minutes and 49 seconds, there was a 99, there was a bobble kick return.
Devante Turpin, Kavante Turpin, excuse me, picks the ball up and goes 99 yards for touchdown.
Oh, that's the ball game.
Nah, the commander says not so fast.
Jane Daniel says, I believe I have one more miracle in me and it might not be a
hail Mary, but I got a pass for you.
He finds, he finds a McLaurin, Terry McLaurin, 86 yard touchdown.
Oh Joe, we going to overtime.
The kicker comes on the snapper.
There's a, because here's the thing.
Oh Joe, people think it's just the pressure on the kicker.
There's a pressure on the snapper and the holder.
Yeah.
And you see it kind of threw his, it threw his timing off because the ball was a
little low and the, and the holder, he bab it a little bit and it wasn't even close.
It reminded me, I remember thinking,
oh, Charles, thinking to myself,
you remember when the Saints,
they laddered the ball all the way down the field
against Jacksonville, got the touchdown
and then missed the PAT that would have tied the game.
Boy, that's a heartbreaking way to lose a game.
You done all of that, 86 yard, the crowd is in a frenzy.
Your sideline is in a frenzy.
And then it's just so anti-climactic that you shank P.A.T.
Now you come back in, Ocho, we go on side it.
Dallas Goose, they on side up and go there.
I like it.
I mean, in what?
What?
How do I say this?
The snapper, the holder and the kicker, they go through the same
routine constantly all week, all week.
If it's repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition.
Yeah.
And especially when it comes to a game like this, where the game is on the line
and it's on your hands and it's on your foot. You got one job.
You got one job. The game of football is a game of inches. There are very few plays,
even out of 75, maybe one, two, maybe three plays at best that makes a difference in the game.
And when the opportunity comes, you have to take advantage of those opportunities.
And tonight they missed the opportunity to give themselves the chance to win
a game against a Cowboys team that has been playing.
You could have buried it.
You would you win this game.
If Washington wins this game, they buried the Cowboys.
This season's over.
Ain't no coming back.
You three, eight. You got six games to go. I believe your season is over because the Cowboys, they still got to go to Philly. I don't
believe they're meeting Philly. In Philly. No. So you could have ended the Cowboys season. Now,
yeah, but you, Jayden Daniels prior to that last match, he had, he wasn't playing well. He wasn't
seeing the field particularly well, Ocho. But I want to give the Cowboys D line some credit
They got after it for diggy Zua
Michael yeah my sex. Yeah
They got after the defense was flying around the Rico died deal they had a rushing game look it wasn't great
It wasn't great. What 19 carries 86 yards caught the ball extremely well
great but 19 carries 86 yards. Caught the ball extremely well and think it it was a makeshift line. Your right guard is out, your left guard is out, they moved
Guyton which was a great thing because all he does is hold, get penalties and
even when they brought his ass in, guess what he did Ocho? Got you pinned.
Looking around like what? Ah, Ocho you know what I hate? I wish I owned the video board.
Soon as they throw a flag, I know they gonna look, I Wish I owned the video board sooner that throw a flag
I know they gonna look I'm gonna cut the video board off what you looking up there for you know
What the hell you did you have a man? That's what it do a flag. Yeah your ass
Let me look it up there. Tell me
Yeah, it was you
Any stuff I hit on not what That ain't no ho, yes it is.
But give the Cowboys credit, Ocho.
Like I said, Cooper Rush did a great job 24, 32, 47,
two touchdowns.
They ran the ball well enough to keep Washington off balance
when they just couldn't bend the gears back.
T.C. had 10 for 67.
Schoenbacher, I think that's his name, they just had 10 for 67, uh, school marker.
I think that's his name.
But they just have, uh, three for 55 called a 24 yard, uh, 24 yard touchdown.
But they had some guys that make some big time plays today.
And that's what you need to happen to go on the road and get that nasty taste out
of your mouth with those guys.
Hey, they got up to the quarterback.
They hunted the quarterback today and they did a great job.
They did a great job.
Yeah.
When you look at the Cowboys, the last, the last four weeks, and you look at the
Cowboys tonight, especially from a defensive standpoint, why in the hell
they look like they did the thing against a division opponent, as opposed to
not looking like that against everybody else they've been playing?
Tell me so we both know.
I'm just, I'm just curious.
I'm sitting there, I'm watching the game at the cigar bar earlier.
And I'm like, I'm saying to myself,
but goddamn, they showed we was playing well.
You know, they playing well offensively.
I'm talking about all three phases of the game.
Whether it be defense, whether it be offense.
Yeah, they was playing motherf***** good on goddamn special teams.
But you look like f*****g everybody else.
They did. especially at home, because they've been down by 20 points or more in the last,
what's five, six home games.
And a lot of those home games, the games haven't been closed.
The only game that was closed this year is that they came back and they were down by
20 at Baltimore.
All the other games that they've lost have been to score games.
But the kicker, he missed a couple of day, which is, and he's a very reliable kicker.
He has, I mean, he has leg out of this world.
But other than that, I thought defensively, this was the best game defensively.
I thought overall as an offense, they played well.
They ran the ball, not great rushing numbers, Ocho, but they ran the ball well enough to
keep them off balance.
Turpin, who turned himself into the best returner in football. And they if you, and they got him out of the world, the USF, what's
USFL? I think they got him out of the USFL. They got the kicker out of the, uh,
the XFL or the USFL, whatever case may be. And these guys are all pro that's
turning to all pro players. Uh, but, um, give the Cowboys credit and guys see
how easy it is. If you play good, we talk about you, we say good things.
But when you play bad, I mean,
what other choice do you have?
Now I wonder if somebody's gonna go on their IG and say,
hey, call me on the phone to talk good about me.
I'm just wondering.
You think that's gonna happen, Ocho?
If they gonna call you until you talk good about it?
No, yeah, no, no, just tweet it.
No, no, go on IG.
IG posts and stuff like that. You think they gonna say that? Oh, okay, yeah, no, no, just tweet it. No, no, go on IG. IG posts and stuff like that.
You think they're going to say that?
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
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CJ Shroud steps out of the back of the end zone for safety as the Titans beat the Texans
32-27.
CJ Stryle's performance was a mixed bag.
He threw multiple touchdown passes for the first time since October 13th in over a month,
but he also threw multiple interceptions for the second time in three weeks and was sacked
four times. The Texans allowed Will Levens to go 18 to 23,
273, two touchdowns, big long touchdowns.
In December, Houston faces the Dolphins,
the Chiefs and the Ravens,
who off offenses can score in bunches.
Kyle Fairbarn missed 28 yard field goal attempt
in the fourth quarter mark,
gets the fourth field goal
pointing out a fewer yards out of 159 attempts
in NFL this season.
Two of those four misses are by Firebird.
Damn.
Yeah.
Ocho, maybe it's just me.
Talk to me now.
What's wrong with CJ?
I don't know.
He's not playing good.
You gonna have lows now, you know that, right?
You know baseball playing.
Ocho, he hadn't played well this year, Ocho.
This is not a low.
How many interceptives does he have now?
What do you got?
You got eight, huh?
Eight or seven?
Nah, okay.
I'm off down off by one.
He got 14 to go Joe.
Would you could would you could, would you could, would you could, would you could watch out, Joe.
They play 12 games, he has 14 touchdowns.
You heard me. Would you consider this a sophomore slump as a quarterback?
I don't know.
I guess.
Look, the thing that's most impressive about great players, Ocho, is that even when they
get tape on you, you still have to count more.
See, I was very fortunate.
I played against Reggie White with three different teams, with three different regimes.
I played him against him in 92 and we circled him on the board.
I played against him in 93, we circled him on the board.
I played him in 96, we circled him on the board.
I played him against him in the Super Bowl in 97, we circled him on the board.
You don't think they had Phil Mompatin?
Yeah.
Brady, Mahomes, Lamar?
And I get it, you know,
Nico missed what, four weeks?
Yeah, injury.
That after-ring injury?
The whole line hasn't been playing well either.
TJ Stroud, he's been getting hit a lot at quarterback.
Getting hit a lot.
He just, I think it's also something's off.
Something's off.
I don't know if he's injured, but something is off.
He just doesn't look as confident as he did last year.
Now the one thing that you can't do, you can't talk, hey, you can talk about it,
but you got to go out there and be about it.
There've been a lot of great ones.
There's been a lot of guys that's had one great season,
Ocho.
Can you put it together?
Can you do it back to back?
Can you do it back to back?
Can you do it for four years?
Can you do it for five years?
Can you do it for six years?
How many times you seen guys go have a great season,
go to the Pro Bowl, Ocho, be an all pro?
How many, how many times you've seen guys go have a great season, go to the pro ball, Ojo, be an all-pro?
He'll be able to put it back to back But also if you look at if you look at the Texans in the entirety of the season up to this point and see why
He's been throwing the interceptions, you know, his decision-making is not as sharp as it was last year with the ball
Getting hit upside the head every time he dropped back, being rushed,
not being able to go through his progressions, missing a Nico Collins, digs being out.
There are factors that are going in why the season is going the way it is so far this
year for him from a statistical standpoint.
Why it doesn't look like it did last year
with the historic run he had as a rookie.
I mean, there are bits and things that have happened.
So, you know, he hasn't been able to,
he hasn't been able to overcome it.
Me personally, me personally, Ocho,
I think the digs is less
because he's only been playing with it for three months.
Nico Collins, that's the guy that he has the relationship
with, that's the guy that helped him win offensive
really over the year.
That was the, Nico Collins was a pro bowl player last year.
He's a very talented young receiver.
He's tremendous, can play through contact
and make tough, contested catches.
He's great run out of the catch.
He can get behind the team.
Tank Dale is another one that's really good.
He only had three catches today.
And they didn't run the ball particularly well.
They only had 17 attempts.
But Tennessee defense is good now.
They good.
Now, Will Lever sometimes puts them in the arm.
What?
He turn the ball over a lot.
But you see that pick six?
Boy, I know the coach we want to put his foot in his ass.
Yeah. I'm like, boy, I know the coach be wanting to put his foot in his ass. Yeah.
I'm like, bro, everybody knows when they see you
line up like that, if two people running this land,
they know the first land is the clear.
The guy, he not gonna go, he gonna bait you.
It's the same thing they got Brady with in the Super Bowl.
Alpha, Alpha.
He bait, no I'm not, I'm gonna go right here.
Go get it, all right, go right number two. You go hit you will hit me right here. And if I can catch it, I'm going to the house
But if you look at Simon's and you look at some of those guys, uh, man, they can get out the quarterback
Now they can get out the quarterback
How Landry they got they got some really really really good talented players on the deep side of football.
You look at one kid got a tight end,
caught a pass, 70 yard touchdown.
Westbrook, caught a 38 yard touchdown.
It was the big plays that was really killing the Texans.
And Pollard, you got him boxed up.
You got him for a four or five yard loss.
Somehow he comes out of that for a 27 yard game.
How many times did it look like they had him behind the line?
He got out of it and he's getting first down.
He's getting five, six, seven yards.
You got to fit.
You got to get the guy.
It's not good enough to get there.
You got to get down the ground.
I mean, if you can, if you force a team to shoot the ball, the possession
don't stop, don't doesn't end until you get the rebound.
If you forced them into a bad shot and they grabbed a rebound,
what the hell have you done?
Well, if you get there, you get, you got the guy hemmed up and you don't get him
on the ground behind the line of scrimmage when you got an opportunity.
What have you done?
Damn.
Texas has got to make a decision.
The Texas look at this division.
It's still for grabs, ain't it?
Well, yeah, if the Colts can put something together.
Look, the Colts look, the Colts look, they played the line.
They played the lines.
Uh, Richardson made some throws, but there are some throws that he missed.
He had Pierce wide open for touchdown and he always shot.
Very inconsistent, huh?
Very inconsistent, you know, when throwing the ball, whether it be
short routes, intermediate routes, throwing stuff that is under, under 12,
under 12, under 12 and five and six yards.
And I'm throwing, throwing bullets.
Like, bullet.
He had learned just every UK throw everything.
You got, I call, I call it, I mean, listen, they had learned to, you can't throw everything.
You got, I call it, I mean, listen, they used to say,
you gotta be able to be a thrower of the ball.
You gotta be a thrower of the ball.
You know, there are multiple ways you can throw it, man.
To get it in there.
Make it a catchable ball all the time for your receivers.
It doesn't, everything don't have to be a goddamn bullet,
man.
Yes. The Texans offense in the second half of the game, 54 yards, three points, four firsts down,
never crossed midfield, and 40% pressure rate allowed. Now you see teams believe
now if we heat CJ up we can cause them problems. When your offensive line is playing bad
like that you can heat them up and call them to some problems
because bringing heat last didn't work.
Bringing heat last didn't work.
Well, damn, how many offensive linemen
did they do without now?
Cause it looked like the same offensive lineman,
I mean, Chad and my off.
So who do they lose offensive line wise?
Hey.
It's okay to see J.C.C. play it well. We can can't so let me ask you a question so
Daniel Jones we gonna put that on offensive line oh they bad too but yeah
okay we gonna put that offensive line in the Jets because we saw with Donald we
saw with Zach Wilson now we got Roger so is that the line so because every time a
quarterback plays bad we can't keep playing that line We can't keep shaping the lane now. Just CJ said himself. He's not playing well
He's not I'm not saying the offensive line not adding to it, but we can't place all this
I'm not saying he's not playing well at all
But I said also the officer line in their play in allowing CH trial to continue to get hit matter of fact
Let me ask you a question. I'm not sure what the stat is. What quarterback has been sacked the most in the NFL?
Who's been sacked the most?
What's this?
Hell, Mahone's been.
Mahone's is up there too.
Why you bull-jabbing?
Did you see Mahone running for his life?
I think he got sacked four or five times today.
Caleb Williams is sacked the most.
Then CJ.
Okay.
Yo, CJ second?
Okay.
Yeah.
Where's Mahomes?
They had Mahomes.
Mahomes had to pick him up and put him down on Joe.
You know, he got one long run in every game.
You know what that is, right?
So you don't wanna hit the quarterback.
You think he going out of bounds?
And every day, instead of going out of bounds,
he cut it up the field and keep on going?
Hey, well, you gonna go out of bounds
because I'm coming to knock you out.
Because if you remember, they find, hold on,
somebody, who did that?
The guy was going out of bounds and the guy hit it
and they called a personal foul.
I said, so what you think?
I'm supposed to let him leisurely run out of bounds?
I'm trying to knock his block off.
The game is different.
The game is different than the quarterbacks,
well some quarterbacks, especially my homies,
are taking advantage of the rules.
Well I know he's not gonna hit me, right?
So I'm gonna get on, I'm gonna bend this corner
and look like I'm going out of bounds
and I'm gonna stay in and cut back in.
Yeah, okay.
Hey, but yeah, look, it looks like
they're gonna win this division.
And guess what?
When you win your division, guess what else, Ocho?
You get a home playoff game. But if you're not careful, you'll be one and done
Yeah
You'd be one and done
Because any of those teams any of the teams I mean cuz guess what?
You might get Baltimore. Is that what you really want?
Is that what you really want?
I don't know what is that. Exactly. You might get Miss Bird.
Is that what you want?
I don't know that either.
Until the Fins demolish the Patriots.
34-15. Jared Moyer is the hot water for what he said after the game.
On the Patriots' mistake in performance.
Look at once those guys cross the white lines.
There's nothing I can do for them.
Listen, it's not.
It's not. Listen, you got...
You can't say that though! You got Wednesday, not. It's not. Listen, you got like you can't say that though.
You got Wednesday, you got Thursday, you got Friday, you got walk through Saturday.
You prepare. He's done everything again. You have meetings. You got means on top of means.
You have a meeting about a meeting based on the team you plan. You don't watch film all god damn week.
He does everything that he can do to prepare you for the goddamn
dolphins, all three phases of the game, offensively, defensively, and special teams.
When Sunday comes at one o'clock, there is nothing that Gerard
Mayo can do for you as he prepares you for your team or that team all goddamn week.
What you mean he can't say that?
That's exactly what he, I mean, he telling the truth.
That's the problem. Oh Joe, it's exactly what he, I mean, he telling the truth. That's the problem.
Oh Joe, it's okay.
I, we know, we know that, but you can't say that you the coach.
You talking like you a fan or something.
You can't say that you're the coach.
Hey, hey, listen, he telling the truth though.
I know you, I know, I know you gotta be PC.
I know you say stuff like that
But you know, it's very refreshing to hear coach tell the goddamn truth for a change
Yes, I just didn't I can't do that for you. I
Can't do nothing for you
But when when y'all didn't play well, you couldn't go out there say when man cars. Oh now, you know
You couldn't go out there and say, man, car's a suck. Now you know, at the-
Why, whoa, where ever been?
You know I'm not crossing that line.
I wasn't in a position to be able to cross that line.
But one, I was already the villain.
I already told the line, I already pushed the envelope.
Now I definitely ain't finna open my mouth
and say no craziness like that.
I know where the draw the line at.
But there are times that your offense didn't play well
or the defense didn't play well, or maybe you guys weren't as prepared as you needed to be.
You just bite the bullet, say, we need to play better.
We'll play better next week.
Give that team credit.
You know, they came, they executed better than we did.
They took care of, they handled their business, but hey, we, we learned
from it and we moved forward, but there's something.
Hey bro, they're supposed to be, they're supposed to be always something you
could do to help the team, whether you can or you can't, you say there's something.
We knew do it.
We need to do a better job of putting them up.
We got our play today.
We got our coach today, but now we'll go back and look at the tape
We'll see what we did good, which wasn't much
There are things that we can improve upon which is a lot and we'll get better. That's what practice is for
We'll learn from the mistakes that we made. We'll coach them up better. They'll play better and we'll be better from it
You know, you know, it's one thing I will think
One thing I can say but it Patriots, for the fans, for Gerard Mayo.
They found they found a quarterback of the future.
I can tell you that.
Oh yeah, right.
That goddamn Drake Mae boy.
Well, he nice.
He the real deal.
They found they got to have quarterback.
I don't care what Gerard Mayo said today.
There's one thing I know as a fan is a Patriot fan.
You can feel, you can feel good about your quarterback situation.
All you got to do is build around him.
You're going to be all right.
Yep.
Be right.
I like it.
I like it.
Now you got to give him some more weapons though, Ochoa.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Um, I'm surprised they didn't run the budget log.
Miami is getting hot at the right time.
Tua, 29 of 40, 317, four touchdowns.
Clean game, didn't turn it over.
Jalen Waddle, broke out of his slump.
8'4, buck 44, a touchdown.
John New Smith, nine for 87, a touchdown.
Back to back week, now you got three touchdowns
in the past two weeks.
Devon H, H-A-N, H-N.
H-N, H-N, H-N, H-N. H-A-N. H-A-N.
H-A-N.
Free for 24, he only had 24 yards on your two-tubs though.
But I thought Tua threw the ball exceptionally well today.
He did a great job.
He only got sacked twice.
Hey, they gotta get my dog Cheetah going, man.
I ain't letting Cheetah-
Hey, they gotta get my dog Cheetah going, man.
They gotta do something.
They gotta, let's, man, put him in the backfield, put him at running back.
I don't know, do whatever you need to do.
Mike, but you're very creative.
You're a very creative coach.
Yeah.
But man, we can't have a season like we had last year with Cheetah.
And then obviously we, obviously we know goddamn two of Miss
games, but man, nah, man, forget that, man.
I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get you to ball in any way possible.
But I want to, man, I want you to, you got to keep young bull happy over there, man.
Cause you know what they do?
They love to use instances like this where the numbers don't look like they did last
year and the first thing they talk about where we think you done lost a step.
No, I did.
Well, they just gave, they just gave a contract.
Oh Joe, they just gave me a six-game.
You know what they'll do to you after just giving you a contract?
That don't mean nothing.
Understand this business and how this business works.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Release me.
I take my ass right back to Kansas City.
Hey, Kenny.
Hey, there he going.
That's the last thing.
Do you want him back in Kansas City with my own?
You might just put a goddamn trophy on the medal right now.
Exactly.
Because now you're going to have him, worthy.
You know they just added a Tyquan Thornton to the...
So now you got 421, you got 427, and you got 429.
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The Chiefs escaped Carolina with a last second win.
Tied in Noah Gray, two touchdowns,
which is the most yards of separation
the Chiefs received in a touchdown
in the past two seasons.
He was wide open, needless to say. After weeks of carrying the offense, Steve Spagnol's crew hit a November low for consecutive week KC defense allowed
325 plus yards.
We know it's gonna happen, Ocho. I've been a part of a historic defense.
I've been, I've been a part of a historic defense,
but there are games that if we didn't play our absolute best offensively, we would have lost.
That's what Kansas City had to do today.
They, turnovers, it probably would have cost me,
it probably would have lost the game.
My home was 27 to 37, 269, three touchdowns.
Got sacked five times though.
Noah Gray, four catches, 66 yards, three touchdowns. Got sacked five times though. Noah Gray, four catches, 66 yards, two touchdowns.
Travis Kelsey like, man, y'all over here doubling
and tripling me and he eatin' every week.
He get a touchdown.
He had two last, what do you have, two today?
He had one last, I think he had like two last week.
He got about five or six touchdowns.
Hey, that's the Kelsey effect.
You're not letting you beat me.
I'm not, I'm not.
But the offensive line man, man, it seems like,
I don't know, maybe it's my television,
but it seems like every time a home's dropped back,
he was for his life.
He is, he is.
That little tackle.
I mean, no disrespect, but the tackle play is very bad.
The tackle play is very bad. Uh, the tackle play is very bad.
I tell you what, if the 49, if the 49 is led, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
dub go trip, treat you dub.
Can't say it better back to bring it up.
Even at his age, he's still one of the best.
And he might, he might still one of the best.
He might be the best left tackle.
He premiered.
He's still that boy.
He's still him.
I mean, cause they tried to get him in for agency
and Kansas City, you know, he's familiar with Kyle.
He played for Mike.
So he's familiar with that situation.
But I think Ocho, with an opportunity,
he wants an opportunity, he wants to win.
He wants to win that Super Bowl.
And Kansas City, as long as you got that quarterback
and you got that opportunity,
I think they're better positioned than the 49ers.
That's just me personally, I couldn't be wrong.
But can you imagine him and Lev Tackle
protecting that blind side?
The Jets could reportedly release Aaron Rodgers this season.
Oh.
In season.
Say it again, say it again.
Now rewind it again, rewind it again.
Go ahead, rewind it.
Play.
The Jets could reportedly release Aaron Rodgers in season.
Rodgers wants to play in 2025.
Whoa.
But not with the Jets. Time out, what time out time out man time out time out.
Hold on. Let me get my flag. Let me get my let me get my flag.
Is a flag on the plate. Let me get a flag.
All right. I got my flag. I know it. I know it's white, but we
gonna pretend it's yellow. I just. Okay. I just do flag. I know it's white, but we're going to pretend it's yellow.
I just threw the flag.
Okay.
You're giving up.
Hold on.
Okay.
Where is he going?
Where's the call up play?
You know what's funny?
When it comes to a quarterback like this, with a resume like this, even though the NFL
is all about what have you done for me lately, when Aaron Rodgers said, you know what, as
desperate as teams are to have a
quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the opportunity after what he just
said.
If they do release him, if the depths do release him and start over as far as
searching for a quarterback, Aaron Rodgers will get a job simply because of
what he's done in the past.
They can hold on to that.
They can hold on to the, for how many, how many times MVP for if not
for she, he's one of some of old.
Man, he's gonna get another.
Sue book, Diana Rossini, Diana Rossini, right.
When she talks about the jets, let's listen to what she has to say.
I'm told Johnson has lost confidence in Rogers
ability to lead the team to the playoffs for the first time in 14 years a
Drought that now stands as the longest and major North American professional sports league
There are some on the team who believe everyone is simply tip-toeing around the fact
Rogers isn't the same player anymore.
Some around the league say they won't be surprised if Rogers is cut in the season.
As far as Rogers, his relationship with the owner has been strained for months.
That's not a secret in the building or the locker room. At this point, after
conversation with Sausage, with the the team and around the league, my understanding is Roger's stand still wants to play in 2025.
I like it.
Just not with the Jets.
I like, I like it, but I don't like it.
I like it, but I don't like it.
Cause I'm going to break down.
I want to break down the other 31 teams.
There are many teams that don't even need a quarterback.
What teams can Aaron Rodgers go to make a difference where you couldn't make a
difference where you're in New York.
They gave you the player you wanted.
They gave you everything.
They gave me everything.
You want Alizard, you got Bruce Hall.
I mean, come on now.
What we.
Remember Ocho last year.
Remember last year they got a, what you call them, a car for it.
And then, and if he is to go to a team, it has to be a team where he doesn't
have to do much because his supporting cast can hold him up.
He can't go to a team that has less talent and make them better.
He needs somebody to uplift him for the longest time he could uplift other
play other his
team they have time to change no longer do that so there's nowhere for him to
go huh there's nowhere for him to go like if you think about it's no way from
the world where are you going tell me so we both know man I think they say Aaron
Aaron what anybody you got you better focus and lock in you bet you better Tell me so we both know. I think, listen, Aaron, Aaron, what?
You better focus and lock in.
You better focus and lock in, because you're going to be on the outside looking in in a minute.
Bro, football, Ben stopped being important to Aaron Rodgers.
Y'all can clear what y'all want to say. Aaron Rodgers, Ben, and football was the last.
Football gave him the ability to have the cachet to talk about all the other stuff
that he carried to talk about.
Y'all know this.
Y'all see it.
Y'all see the man demeanor.
Y'all see his behavior.
Y'all saw the way he conducted himself.
Football, Ben stopped being important to Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah.
He's one of the few.
You know, Aaron Rodgers has what most don't, what mostly all quarterbacks do.
He has privilege.
And he's one of the few.
Now that he had that privilege, he abuses has privilege and he's one of the few, they have that privilege.
He abuses that privilege and the power that he has because of what he's done in
the NFL, the few that does it.
You know, nobody else would be able to get away with certain things.
Oh, can you imagine you, no forget you because you, you follow the rules.
I'm, let's say me who bent the rules and always told the line.
No.
And never crossed it.
Can you imagine if I say, you know what, I'm not going to Minicab, I'm going on a retreat
because I already had a plan.
What?
Can you imagine?
Yeah, I can imagine.
They defined your culture.
This is what they're talking about.
That's what happened.
Hey, all I know is that Antonio Brown didn't go
to a team meeting and they cut it.
They had a meeting, they had a walk through in the ballroom, he didn't show up and they cut it.
They don't play.
Certain people are extended. You see, y'all get upset with me when I, when I, when I tell the truth.
See, my thing is, I don't know why anybody would question because y'all see, I call it
right down the middle.
It doesn't matter if you're Aaron Rodgers, your Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Lamar Jackson
or Patrick Mahomes.
If I think if I, if I see it, I'm just going to be honest. I've been telling you guys for
the longest, Aaron Rodgers is an arrogant, condescending, flippant. He blames everyone. He
takes no responsibility for himself. He's been that. He's always been that. but that he won MVP. So everybody overlooked it.
Now he can no longer be an MVP.
Everybody said what I've been saying for years.
Yeah, but you know, when you had that kind of, when you had that kind of
resume, like Aaron Rodgers, when you had that kind of success for so long, you
know, when you're a franchise quarterback like that, and when you're a Superbowl champion, you extended a different type of grace,
especially, especially at the quarterback.
That's for sure.
That's there.
Yes, absolutely.
Abs, absolutely.
Yes, sir.
But I, Ocho, one of the things, you know, if you say, boy, if you're not careful,
you will become the very thing you despise the most in a person.
He despised the way Brett Favre treated it.
Did he not turn around to become the very thing he despised the most?
Yeah, yeah.
He would.
Oh, have mercy.
So y'all don't want to listen to me.
I don't talk like you.
But see, I don't know what you're talking about.
See, y'all say I don't talk a lot.
Y'all don't really be saying I don't know what I'm talking about, because when it comes know what you talk about. So y'all say, talk a lot. Y'all don't really be saying,
I don't know what I'm talking about
because when it comes to fruition,
the first thing you saw captain obvious,
well, why did you say it?
If it was so obvious, you could have said it.
Yeah.
Look how he got out of there.
He didn't want to come to many camps.
He wanted everything to be his way.
Isn't that what Brett Farb,
isn't that why they got Brett Farb as a father there?
Now, where did Brett Farb go when he left Green Bay?
Tell the people at home, Ocho.
The New York Jets.
Ocho, tell the people how long did Brett Farb stay
in New York?
Hey, hold on, hold on.
Where'd he go next?
So are we saying that Aaron Rodgers
is probably gonna beat him in Minnesota?
I don't know.
They just got J.J. McCarthy.
No, McCarthy, they got J.J. McCarthy. Yeah. No. And he's already missed a year.
You're not going to send him back another year. No. And I'm
drafted a quarterback. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. What
is Amarajah going to do? At most he plays a year and you think
I'm going to pass on a quarterback for a year? Are we
sure he can elevate my team?
The jets thought he could.
How'd that work out for them?
They gave up draft capital and they're worse off than they were when they had
rock, when they had a Zach Wilson, when they had Sam Donald, when they have
whomever else they had at quarterback.
Bro, you're not getting a Tom Brady ending.
You're not getting a big Danny Kennedy. Wait, what if he changed his mindset?
What if he changed his approach to the game?
Or it's too late, it's too late?
Can't.
Ocho, how you do something for 20 years
and you won MVP and you won a Super Bowl,
you change your mindset.
Tom Brady couldn't change his mindset if he could, because he still had that
underdog mentality to all.
He saw himself as accomplished as he was, was a sixth round draft pick that
nobody wanted until the sixth round.
That's all he ever saw himself.
He always felt I got to go in and prove that I can make the, I got to make the
team, even though at the one super bowl, two Super Bowl, three Super Bowl, MVP, MVP,
Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, I've got to prove it.
Peyton Manning every year, prove it, prove it, prove it.
It's always been about him.
Damn. He's always been condescending.
He's always been flippin'.
He's always been arrogant.
He's always been aloof. You He's always been arrogant. He's always been aloof.
You overlooked it because he's winning MVP.
Now he's the same player.
You don't change when you lose.
You don't change.
See losing doesn't change who you are.
It reveals who you are.
That's what losing does. It reveals your, it reveals,
it don't build character, it reveals it.
It's like, it's like, it's like anger.
Just like anger and just like someone, someone that drinks.
Finally, you finally get to see some-
Yes.
Colors, when they're angry.
They tell you how they really feel.
Yes.
And people are like, oh, he got money, he changed.
No, money doesn't change you.
It makes you more of what you already are.
You don't get money and become generous.
You don't.
That's always in you.
You don't get money and become a jerk.
You've always been a jerk, but you are a monitor
because you didn't have the power and the money
to be an asshole.
So that's what money will allow you to do.
People that have money and that are nice and respectful,
they've always been that way.
I guarantee you, you go look at anybody
and they'll tell you, I don't need to call no name,
but when they got money, they say, they been that way.
But if we're on the same level,
how can I be a real jerk when we're on the same level?
But let me get a little advantage over you.
Hey, listen, money does some strange things to people.
It does, it does strange, it does some strange, strange.
It's hard to remade yourself.
You know, you get it, but if you are able to control it and don't allow it to control you,
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