Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bama crushes UGA comeback, Travis Hunter Heisman talk, Sanders & Hunter shade Cam Newton

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Georgia QB Carson Beck getting picked off in the endzone by Alabama's Zabien Brown in an unbelievable finish to the SEC showdown and praise the resilience of QB Jalen Milroe, HC Kalen DeBoer and the Crimson Tide. Later, Unc thinks Colorado's Travis Hunter should play DB in the NFL, Hunter and Shedeur Sanders shade Cam Newton during pregame and much more!05:10 - UGA-Bama32:49 - Colorado beats UCF(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho, your janky ass almost jinxed him. Can someone tell us we can start nightcap early because Alabama got this. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what I thought it was. Listen, the game was lopsided the whole first half. I had no idea that they were gonna mismanage the clock and allow Georgia to get back into the game was lopsided the whole first half. I had no idea that they were going to mismanage the clock and allow Georgia to get back into the game.

This is the rule of thumb for coaches. Don't take your foot off the gas. You allowed them to get back in the game. The game shouldn't even been that close. Continue to run the same off as you're running. It's hard, Ochoa. Do that. There was no need to come off the gas.

Uh, it's a lot easier said than done. We watched this in a Superbowl, a team be up 28 to three and still try to be aggressive and it bit them in the butt. You put Matt Ryan in the shotgun. The guy misses the block. You cost him a fumble. Did you hear what you said? Keyword.

We saw a team still try to be aggressive. Alabama try to be aggressive. They were very vanilla the second half, but they didn't be aggressive to be aggressive. Alabama tried to be aggressive. They were very vanilla the second half, but they didn't be aggressive. They won. The other team was aggressive and lost. Now, which would you rather be? The thing is the way I look at it and what I try to explain to people, Oh Joe is like, look, when you have the momentum, how much separation can you

put between you and the team that you have the momentum because eventually they're going to get it eventually they're going to get it They're going to get the momentum. Yes, and when they do How much distance it have you separated yourself enough now? Alabama because would happen they got conservative your defense they couldn't get off the field on fourth down. Oh Joe Georgia was one for 13 on third down, but they were five for five on fourth down. Your defense can't get off the field. Your offense can't stay on the field. So Georgia's keeping you on the field 10, 12 plays. Alabama's going three and out. So you're bringing that tired defense

right back on the field. What do you think is going to happen? And so the next thing you know, now you're out of rhythm. The other team is in rhythm and now you're holding on for dear life. So I get it. It's a lot. I'm telling you, having been in both situations, I don't know, I believe it's easier to play from behind than it is with a lead because you could throw caution to the wind. Oh, we already down 27.

So what the hell I got to lose. Let it rip. Let it rip. And you know, you know we already down 27. So what the hell I got to lose Let it rip let it rip And you know, you know, it's funny. Why couldn't Georgia play the way they did in the second half? When you throw in caution to the wind and start off the game like that? Start like that, but I think listen if you if you were to write this story again Or write how you would want this game to go. There was no better ending than the one they had tonight Give it back This has to be the best collegiate game of the year And I'm not sure there's another another game that will top it this year

Based on what we saw tonight what we saw tonight was unbelievable. Yeah, you got to have a way I thought the game was over on I left I I stopped watching the game and went ahead and had a cigar break. I went and took a cigar break. I come back in and George got the lead. I'm like, wait a minute, what happened? Well, I got the rewind my TV back and then let it run forward to catch back up. Alabama DBs and any defensive back.

Yeah. Bro, stop celebrating when you break. If you can make a pick, make the pick. Right. Alabama DBs and any defensive back. Bro, stop celebrating when you're back. If you can make a pick, make the pick. Right. That's the difference between the good corners and the great corners. Yeah. Ed Reed was a safety, but he came down with the ball.

Brian came down with the ball. Ron Woodson, Charles Woodson. It's not good enough. I'm doing my, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to take these possessions, the defensive possessions and turn them into points. So that's the Alabama, you know, oh, you strapping them down, but you do realize they got two more. They got two more down to try to get a first down or maybe a touchdown. So while you're celebrating and you should, hey, you happy, but bro, if you can get your hands on the ball, bro, you got to come down with it.

Like the DB did in the last play of the game. That was a big time play. A freshman at that. A freshman at that. And I like that he played to a string too. I'm wondering if it was the defensive coordinator's choice to have him play off on that so he can get his head around and on the ball as opposed to being impressed and be playing from trail and then having to turn around and look and losing the ball. That's one of the reasons why he got that pick.

But another thing I want to say about about DBS is 95% of DBS play, not to get beat. And yes, all percentage, about 5% of them that play to make a play. And that's small percentage, that five percent are those that always turn out to be great. Always turn out to be great. That's the biggest difference between a college DB and an NFL DB is the ability to attract the football. Oh yeah.

The really good, hey, you know after certain, hey, if you notice, watch the really great NFL DBs. Watch how soon they're like jam turn. They'll start looking to head back, head back right away. The ball's gotta be coming up. You too far down the field for the ball not to be coming. Yeah. And so that's one of the difference and the skillset.

It is a skill. I can't teach you that you're born with that. That is innate. Ed Reed's ability to find the football. Yeah. Prime ability to find the football. Rod Wilson, Charles Wilson, any of these great corners. Trayvon Diggs.

Yeah, that is God given. A Trayvon is a goddamn ball. That's that. I can't teach you that. Oh, Joe, that's just like, huh? That's it is. And people don't understand that. And I made

the comparison today. If you watch Travis Hunter, his ball skills are comparable to a Ed Reed because you think about it. He's made like two or three of those interceptions. He's like, he's playing off and he watches the corner and he's diving and laying out. You watch him undercut that ball at Colorado State. Yeah. That's, bro, everybody can do that. That's pure instinct. To be able to come off that and know it's coming. Yes.

That's pure instinct. You know who you remind me of? Another player that has pure instinct and superior ball skills that doesn't get the credit they deserve. That goddamn Asante Samuel. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That goddamn Asante Samuel. For sure. And Rivas is another one who yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. what he arrived you and once you get past 10 yards, man, that had come around so god damn fast.

Yes. You'd be able to locate that ball and that's where half his interceptions came from. Yeah, but see the thing is with him, like those other guys, you could tell they were offensive guys because when they, they got, hey, they tried to knock it down. Every was trying to take it, trying to pick it and go to the house every time. Right. What if you look at those guys, that's why you see them guys seven, eight, nine, 10 return touch returns for touchdown because they're trying to take defense and automatically turn it into offense. And that is, that is a God gift. I can't teach you that.

So, and I can't teach you how to find the ball. I just can't. I can't teach you to like, no, okay, here, this is a two by one. They're gonna try to overlap this. I gotta play two by one. Yes, I got the The inside I gotta make sure the inside. Yeah, cuz I got the outside guy I'm about two by one because I got worried about the seam also Ocho, but I got the go-round. Oh, yeah Yeah, I know what y'all trying to do. I got this two by one. I'm gonna overlap you I'm gonna make you think I ain't got this scene, but I'm gonna pick it when you throw it.

Yeah. So it is an unbelievable game tonight. Alabama Jalen Milro was sensational again. 27 to 33, 374, two touchdowns. He had an interception. The tight end has to understand on the pick, on the pick, he needs to widen because Jalen Milro can see what he can't.

If he'd have let him, he wouldn't have finished the rest of the game. Cause that linebacker would have decapitated the mocho. And so that's what you have to do. You have to widen the guy, widen him. So Jalen Millrow can fit in and that, so that's why he put it on his back shoulder because if he'd have landed. Yeah.

Oh, you'd have been out. Oh, for sure. For sure. Listen, it's very smart of Milroy's part to know that. Sometimes, listen, a quarterback can save you every time. A quarterback that you're doing can save you every time. That's the thing. The one that can save you because anytime you get a collision is the quarterbacks fault

Oh, yeah, because he can see what you can't I'm trusting you that you're not gonna lead me to harm I'm trusting you I'm gonna do everything I can either I'm gonna catch it or I'm gonna break it up All I ask you is not have the ambulance come on the field to get So so you're absolutely right, but the tight end, he needs to understand. But he's young. You talk about something that I've over years, Ocho, to know the why. And sometimes you got to get you got to, you know, you got to get hit in your head to understand that it hurts.

Oh, yeah. And the guy give Jalen Millrow some room to protect you from the inside guy. But he went in there hard. Jalen Millrow tried to back shoulder. He popped it up. And in the process, he was about to catch it. But the DB hit it. And now, hey, that safety for Georgia 17.

Yeah, he could play. I think it's 16 or 17. Do the other way. Which one was it? Because he got to pick. He could play. Yeah, no, he could play. He's going to play on Sundays.

Oh, yeah. He got that kind of ability. And you don't see you don't see a whole lot of he does He got skills. This is funny thing about it when you talk about going to the next level This is the close you gonna get to an NFL game Because all the talent that are that they're on the scene if you can stand out on film in a game like this when in Georgia When in Georgia, Alabama Where it's a bunch of five four four, four star, five star players. And you stand out on film like the safety you just called out.

Yeah. Special. Yeah. Listen, that young bull that receiver that's only 17 years old. Yeah. That Ryan Williams. Man, listen, man, Ryan Williams. I know you're going to see this. Listen, I know you ain't old enough. I know you ain't old enough to party, but when you see this boy, I need you're old enough to break. I know you're old enough to party. But when you see this, boy, I need you to send me a DM. I need a Jersey sign. I need a Jersey sign. If I don't get a Jersey sign in less than 24 hours,

if you don't send me a DM in less than 24 hours, you ain't getting none of that NIL money. Matter of fact, hold on. I know we talk about Alabama, Georgia, right? I got a message for two more players. Hold on. So they know I mean business, hold on. I know. I know we talk about Alabama, Georgia, right? Yeah, I got a message for two more players. Hold on. So you know, I mean, Ben is home because they think. Hold on. But there was a big time game. There's a lot of big time talent on the field.

There's this this game was littered with four and five star recruits. You look at the office and defensive line. You look at the skill position, you look at the linebackers. This is I mean, there's a reason why Georgia and Alabama naturally year in and year out in the top five in recruiting because when you play the brand of football and they see all those guys going to the NFL from the University of Georgia, from the University of Alabama. Same thing with Ohio State and some of those big 10 teams.

Hey, I want to be like that. hey, I want to be like that. Hey, I want to be like Amari Cooper. I want to be like Jerry Judy and all these other guys that went from Alabama. Who was it? Calvin Ridley. And so I look at Georgia and you see all those defensive players,

Nicoby Dean, they had Walker and they had Jalen, the big D tackle. They got two of Jordan Davis. What's his name? Oh man. Huh? No, I know the Kobe Dean, but the Jalen number 98 for the Philadelphia Eagles, they got two of Jordan Davis and the

what's Jalen's last name? Carter, Jalen Carter, Jalen Carter. So when you see that pipeline is it's easy for because the recruits, because the players recruit cause you don't have to do a whole not. Hey, y'all saw my resume. Y'all see, we got 60 guys in the NFL. We got 58 guys in the NFL. Yeah.

Hey, you see how much money to a sample? You see how much this guy signed for? You see how much this guy signed for? You see how much this guy signed for? Yeah, absolutely. So it's a lot easier to recruit when you have those guys doing that. Go ahead, don't you? What you got in the NIA? So just letting the boys know I'm not even playing. I got three people, three people, everybody in the chat, make sure they get this message. I know they're going to see this video. Ryan Williams, Jeremiah Smith and Travis Honnell. I want a Jersey. I want a Jersey sign and less than you

got 24 hours to send me a DM. Get me a Jersey down to Miami. If I don't have my Jersey before Monday before eight o'clock Monday, ain't nobody getting no NIL money. And you know what that means? You see, you see, you, you, listen, I didn't got this on for nothing. Ain't none of y'all getting no NIL money no more. The rest of the season. Ryan Williams, Jeremiah Smith and Travis Hunter, I want my jersey, FedEx, Monday morning, you know how to get my address as your coaches.

That's it. And I ain't even playing. It was a Georgia had 25 first down, Alabama had 21 third down efficient efficiency. Georgia was three of 15 on third down. Alabama was three of 11 on fourth down. Georgia was five or five. Alabama was one for two. Georgia had 519 yards of total offense. Alabama had five 47 a total offense completion, completion with 27 to 50 for

Georgia, 27 of 33 for Alabama, uh, Russian yards. Alabama had one 73, uh, Georgia had 80, uh, penalties. Bama had 10 for 90, uh, Georgia had 80 penalties. Bama had 10 for 90. Georgia had four for 35. I did think that that was a passing appearance right before the half on a year on Georgia. That was the official. Sometimes they get caught up in the game. Like, oh, it's 30 is 30 to 7.

It don't mean anything. But you got to call it. That is P.I. and you're standing right there and the bureau was he had every right to be Hysterical because that was PI and you don't know that could have come back to bottom because you could have gotten the way they were rolling I feel they're gonna probably get you know three maybe even seven out of that push into a 33 to 7 maybe even a 37 7 ball game, but I'll give give Georgia credit even a 37 seven ball game. But, uh, give, give Georgia credit.

Uh, they didn't run. They could have easily like folded shop, but give Kirby smart and this staff an unbelievable job for getting those guys to come out of the locker room and play extremely well. Carson Beck did not have his best game. He had four turnovers. First half was horrible. Uh, well, he threw, he threw a pick and I, at a, had a fumble in the second half too. That was the reason why they got behind it.

Remember when they behind like 28, nothing at one point. Yeah. Yeah. So look, they're not very many. They're not going to see very many teams that can match them. Not like Alabama, Alabama, Alabama's physical Georgia physical, uh, the offensive line is they're loaded with five star on both lines. They're loaded with five star.

It is four and five start to skill position players. Very well, coach. We know what Kirby Kirby is. Hey, he was the DC for Alabama. A lot of those years when they won national championships. He learned a lot under coach Saban. I like Alabama's hired to be he's he's he's sensation. He's a very good coach, very good offensive mind.

And the guys played really well offensively. I just thought they got a little bit too conservative, Ocho. And when you get conservative. Yeah. Now you put your defense in a bind because a team takes them out there and they drag them out there. 10, 12, 15 plays. Your offense comes on the field. They go three and out or maybe they get one first down, put your tire defense right back on the field.

They drag them out there again. Another 10, 12 play drive. You deep, the offense comes back in and goes three and out now. Oh Joe, now you're asking for trouble. Yeah. You're asking for trouble, but give Alabama credit. They came out ready to fight tonight. And they would take down the number two Georgia Bulldogs.

If you think about it, nobody since 2021 has beaten Georgia other than Alabama. They're 44 and 0 against every other team. Yeah. But they'll be back. Hey, they will. They got they got me. They don't meet each other again. I. Probably the SEC Championship. Oh, yeah.

Probably the SEC Championship. But that was a that was a ball game. That was unbelievable ball game. Zabian Brown picks off Carson Beck in the end zone. He had a four turn overnight. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liar's Poker. And every author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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OK, there's a viral photo. A college game day this morning. A guy had a sign saying my wife is having a baby. OK, but I chose to be here. Roll tie. Oh, no. Hey, his wife is having a baby. You know, obviously, you know, if his wife is a Alabama fan, she probably told him to go to the game. Oh yeah.

No, no, no. And how much they love they tied. I guarantee you she told him to go to the game. But hold on. You remember the criticism that we caught when an NFL player said he would choose to play. You remember how all the women came at us? Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Now listen, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, listen, he played in the game. This is the thing you have to understand, too. It all depends on the woman you're dealing with. It all depends on the woman that's having the child. Some women, depending on how much they understand, how much you love that game. Yeah. They're like, baby, boy, if you don't get out there and make that goddamn money, they paying you millions of dollars for a reason.

Yeah. All right. Now you get out there, do that goddamn money, they paying you millions of dollars for a reason. Yeah. All right. Now you get out there, do what you got to do and you come on home. What's the name of the movie with, um, with Marie Chestnut when, um, uh, old girl was in the hospital and he went out there and played and then he came and seen the after, after. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember the name. Well, he's a football player. Yeah.

I figured I know what you're talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. Depending on who you're married to. Not the situation in the movie might have been a little different, but still depending on who you marry to or depending on who you're having a child from, there's a there's an understanding this is the way we eat. This is the way you provide for us. Now, the baby, he came out better.

Oh, Joe said, baby, I was trying to get to the hospital, but the car broke down. You can't be on national TV with a sign about why I'm having a baby. Right, right, right. If you saw the guys in Georgia, they're Georgia Bulldogs fan. Obviously, the storm came through. Our thoughts and prayers goes out to everyone. There were some fatalities. So I thought some prayers from nightcap through goes out to those

impacted family, friends and loved ones that have been impacted by this storm up the East Coast, up into the Carolinas. But he took a route he took a route floating rubber and to go get his friend. Right. It was who was reigning. So he's like, No, we're missing that game. He was going to Tuscaloosa. So he took his little rubber boat and he went and got his man. And unfortunately it didn't work out the way they wanted to but that was a very good game. And you know, fans are fanatic like that, Ocho.

I mean, look, if you're from, if you're in the South, if you're up North, you get, you have no idea what we're talking about. But if you're in the South, right? Texas and you come all the way back, all the Southern states, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, I mean, obviously, you know, Georgia and Florida, we have a bit more population. Texas football is life.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Football is life. They close down Friday's night. You're going to the game. And if you have it, OK, no, everybody's closing up shop and they're going to the game. And you know, the funny thing about it is obviously you have a, a, a better, a better, not knowledge of the game of college football, maybe a better experience. You got to think out with the Oregon state way back in 2001.

So I don't know what it's like to be at a PWI of that magnitude, like an Alabama LSU. But when my daughter, before she chose where she was going to go to school, before she went to Kentucky, I went to LSU. LSU game. I ain't never seen nothing like that. Oh, yes. I went to LSU game. I played in the league 11, 12 goddamn years.

I've never seen nothing like that at all level. Yeah, but you have to understand, Ocho, them kids, so they gonna face paint, they gonna be yelling and screaming. Hey, man, look here, when you see, when Georgia playing, you see all them jokers got them flags in the back, them bulldog flags flying. I ain't ever been one of them games.

They crazy out there, huh? What? Well, hold on, they crazy like that LSU game? Like that? Yes, yes. Why I went to that Tennessee, why I seen Tennessee play. Like that. Well, I went to that Tennessee. Well, I seen Tennessee play. My baby went on a visit to Tennessee. Man, they played that goddamn Rocky Top. Man, that's the boy.

But it wasn't that thing, rocking, you hear me? Go down. Wait a minute, this is college. The NFL atmosphere ain't even like this. Drive down to 95 when they played when they played Florida. I don't know. Florida might not be that good. Florida's not that good now. When they play when Georgia, Florida played

in the world largest office cocktail party. Yeah. And you see all the flags heading down 95. Yeah. Or when they come up and they play the SEC championship and you see Georgia, they coming up from, they coming up from Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. Man, Ochoa, man. I got Ochoa may I got to experience that. I got to experience that.

That one, that one little game, that one little game. I had a chance to see LSU play. Obviously Jayden Dane was there at the time and I saw Tennessee play. Except Tennessee was playing on the fact they were playing Kentucky. If I'm not mistaken, man, I boy, I still got that that that Rocky Top song still on my head. But you got to understand, Ocho. A tradition like that. That's no, no, no, no. I mean, NFL, they like they like that.

Right. Because the college kids, the college kids, oh, they're going to be out there. Especially when you go to a big school like that. Right. Because you got to get out there to get the tickets. So they gonna be out there all day, all night, trying to get those tickets, especially for the big game. Can you imagine what those students were doing to get those Georgia tickets?

Or to get the Auburn tickets? Now, you talk about Alabama-Auburn, or you talk about Ohio State-Michigan, and you talk... Now, come on. That's crazy, huh? You know what? I got a question. There's nothing like there's nothing like southern football.

I get the I get the I get the Green Bay, Chicago arrival in the NFL. I get Duke, North Carolina. But when you talk about Alabama, Auburn, when you talk about Georgia, Florida, when you talk about Florida state, Florida or Florida state, Miami or one of those, those ain't nothing, nothing. South Carolina Clemson, you have to experience it to understand what I'm talking about. It's like when I tell people about going to an HBCU and homecoming week, you have to be

on that campus to experience the pageantry, the pageantry, the atmosphere, oh, Joe. Oh, they do it. Yeah. Oh, they're in the yard. Oh, the sun rods in the France, they up in the yard. The student center is buzzing because everybody know it.

I tell, listen, you remember, I told you, obviously I didn't have the opportunity that most people that went to HBCUs have. My first experience, obviously, listen, I've been supporting fam music since god damn 1984, but never was integrated in the atmosphere to know what the HBCU experience was like. Because I go to the game, I listen to the band, and I watch football team play, and then I go home. When my daughter crossed over at PV, A&M, and I walked in there and seen that atmosphere.

You got to be, you got to see all the different fraternities. I never, ever, ever seen nothing like that. Right. Man, when them, man, man, when them AKs came out, when they came out, Man, man, man, when them AKs came out, when they came out, Stephen, I want to be an AK. I'm gonna tell you the reason why I was like, oh, and don't you got it. I can't even I can't even put in the words. Because it's like that. Because like, anytime Georgia plays anytime a Southern team, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida, any of the tech.

Just imagine Texas, Texas, Oklahoma, the Red River rivalry. Yeah. It's like that. It's like that. It's like that. It's like that every, every, every Sunday, every Saturday in the SEC country. And it's still the same. If the teams aren't playing well, like Florida, if Florida's not

my season is complete. If I beat you, I doesn't matter. Well, if Florida's not playing well. My season is complete if I beat you. I don't care. I just gotta win one game. It's against you. Oklahoma, Texas, as long as I beat you. Alabama, Auburn, long as I beat you. Georgia, Florida, long as I beat you. It doesn't matter.

Ohio State, Michigan, I'm putting all my eggs in this basket. I can go 0 for, I can go one for 10. As long as that one against your punk ass. That's all I care about, man. But yeah, I mean, they out there, man, look, I grew up in the South, obviously, lived in Georgia damn to my whole life. Oh, they start skewing.

The games at one o'clock, 12 o'clock, one o'clock? Man, they out there, they out there, got them, got them a grill, they skew, and then when the bay goes back, oh yes, yes, they drunk at 10.30. In the game, they for another two hours. Oh yeah, they already tore up. I like it. So go to, go to Grambling Southern.

Like they have a famu-pothoon. Man. Man. Everybody got to experience that at least once. Oh, Joe. The Colorado Buffaloes beat UCF 48-21. Excuse me. The Buffaloes were 14 point underdogs,

improved to four and one, two and on the big 12. Travis Hunter caught a touchdown pass, intercepted a pass in the same game for the second time in the last three weeks. Excuse me. It's the fourth time in his three year college career that he's done that. He struck the Heisman pose after he picked off KJ Jefferson with a diving interception in the third quarter. He was, he was transferred from Arkansas, right? KJ Jefferson.

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Jalen Milro from Alabama plus 225 is number one. Cam Ward, Miami plus 500. Number two, Travis Hunter plus 750. Number three, Dylan Graver Gabriel, Oregon plus 1200. He's four. Statistically, Hunter has put up elite numbers at receiver. He entered the weekend ranked fourth naturally in receptions, sixth in receiving yards, tied for fourth in TD catches with five. He called nine passes a day, 89 yards and a touchdown and grabbed one of the best cover corners in the game.

Colorado came from behind with a win over Baylor last week. Hunter had the game winning fourth fumble on the goal line. Hunter played 128 snaps on Saturday. According to Fox broadcast, he's averaging about 130 snaps per game. Listen, when we talk about hyping, right? There's so many different factors that go into it. But what Travis Hunter is doing, it needs to be taken into account. This is something special. There are very few players that are able to play on both sides of the ball. There are very few players are able to play on both sides of the ball

and affect the game on both sides of the ball. The fact Travis Hunter is able to do both. It speaks volumes. This is no disrespect to Ken Ward. This is no disrespect to Cam Ward. This is no disrespect to Jay Lemon-Roe and what they're doing. Quarterbacks, most of the time, they always win the award based on what they're doing. Always.

But what Travis Hunter is doing this year, it needs to be taken a little bit more serious. A little bit more serious. I don't think people really understand, especially those that are voting. I don't know who did the goddamn odds. Who did the goddamn odds? Travis Walters should be first, no matter what, based on what he's done so far

this season already, he should be first. Yeah, he's affecting both sides of the ball. It's it's not unheard of. It's been done before, but hasn't been done before like this at this level. The way he's doing it, the intercept affecting the game, winning the game, the fumble on the goal line at receiver. Yes. I'm good.

I don't know, man. Charles Wilson did play offense, but he did not play offense. He didn't play. If they had 70 snaps, he wasn't playing 65 of those snaps. Right. He had a package in which he played and he played extremely well. We're not going to minimize Charles Wilson. He did.

He became the first defensive player to win the Heisman, but he did not play as many snaps on the offensive side of the football as Travis Hunter is playing. He's coming out of the game, they're running 75 plays and he's only missing two or three of those plays. And he's missing five or six snaps on the defensive side. So basically he's playing all but nine, maybe 10 snaps in a game. Unheard of.

Yes. But young bull condition is out this world. Young bull, listen, much respect to Travis Hunter. You know, I know you're gonna see this. I already gave you a message that I have my shite on. So I know you're gonna get this message. If I don't get that DM with that jersey, I'm telling you Monday FedEx,

I don't wanna hear nothing. I don't want no excuses. Any NIL money is coming straight to me. Coming straight to me, period. Hey, how the hell are they? Huh? This was the most complete game that I've seen them play. Maybe since prime has been there, the ability to run the football, the way they protect it should do it, should do it through the football.

The way they look, they got some, I mean, late in the ball game. UCF ran the football, got some plays, but I thought they did a great job of containing him early on in the ball game, doing enough to disrupt his rhythm. I mean, I don't, I don't, when I look at him, I don't think they should have ever been concerned about his ability to throw the football. He's more dangerous with his legs than he is his arm. But I thought this was the most complete game,

the way they dominated this game. They got after the quarterback. They did a great job of protecting should door should door. Do you have a great job of throwing the football? Uh, but I thought this was one of the more complete ball games. If not the most complete, I've come out when you look at running, throwing, stopping the run, getting after the quarterback, defending. I thought this was, and it was on the road. I thought, see you played what hell of a ball game. Yeah. Yeah. They play really well. Um, I'm happy for prime. I'm happy for prime.

This is what one more week you get to, you get to keep them off your back. One more week, you get to keep them off your back and show, listen, they four in one this year. They four in one so far. You know, a lot of people say they wouldn't even be in this position. What I like for Prime is improvement year to year. The improvement year to year.

All they need is a little time. All they need is a little time to get the right people, the right dogs in here, you know, and next year it's going to be even better. And it's going to be continued. It's going to be a gradual build, nothing overnight, a gradual bill. And improvement is there. We can see it.

Yeah. Well, it had to be Ocho for the simple fact that man, they went one in 12. And y'all expect the man to go in there and go to the end to go to the damn Rose bowl or the damn peach bowl is first year in the Alcat team went one and 12. Where have they ever done that at? Nowhere, they know he all hype. I mean coach saving the coach saving didn't win. No 12 games his first game his first year there Hi, it's gonna take time and coach saving have a bunch of four and five star recruits I'm not so sure how many four or five star recruits Prime had before he got to Colorado. But it's going to take some time. But I was very impressed with the way they played today. I mean, you look at Ocho, they had 14 points in the first quarter. They

got 13 in the second quarter. They got another 14 in the third quarter and was another seven. So they were complete. They didn't take their foot off the gas. They did an unbelievable job today of running the football. I thought they did a better job of protecting the football. I thought they'd be done a great job of getting after the quarterback, attacking the line of scrimmage, did a good job in pass coverage. There's nothing, you know, look, I'm sure coach Primer said,

hey, I'm pleased with the win, but I heard coach Saban said, you know what? He said to win and play poorly is a kiss of death. I said the way it was explained to me, you never accept anything in a win. You wouldn't have lost, but people don't understand that because you know, why they just, Hey, we won the ball game. Right. You can't let your players accept that type of attitude because that gets you

beat. Yeah. That'll get you beat. I don't want to wait till I get beat to get your undivided attention. I want to be in a situation where I can get your attention. That way we don't be in this, find ourselves in that situation. Well, I tried to tell y'all this was going to happen. Now maybe you'll listen next time.

Right. I loved, I love what coach Saban said. I loved the way prime, prime said, we can't be, we can't be happy with just winning. That's not good enough. Yeah. Who they, who they got next on who they got next. Who they played next. They got in at Kansas State or at home? They're home against Kansas State.

Kansas State really good. Are they good? They're really good. I want to go to the game. You think I can get a ticket? Yeah, you call Prime, he'll get you one. Oh, I'm going to go to the game. I hope it's cold too so I can put on my dickies.

My little dickie overalls and my hoodie and my Tims. Travis Horner, I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I'm going to go to the game. I hope it's cold too, so I can put on my dickies. My dickie overalls and my hoodie and my Tim's. Yeah. Oh, Travis Horner wore a bland t shirt after Richard Sherman comments.

There was a lot of buzz on social media about some of the pregame interaction. We got to do we got what happened? What do we got? What's your say about buddy? We got we got shirms. OK. OK, he said he he he was saying that his skills are defensively second to none. He's a true corner. He has tremendous instincts, great ball skills.

But he said that he was bland as a receiver. I get what Sherman said that he's not a like like Chase and Jefferson polished receivers. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's what he's saying. Like he's an athlete playing receiver and because he's so much more athletic than a lot of people that's defending him, he's going to make a play. Okay. Okay. I understand. So that's not the way he took offense to it. He took offense to it. He took offense. I think I think coach, uh, I think, uh, uh, uh, time put Sherm and, and, and, uh, uh, uh, traveling contact with each other and they were able to have a conversation. Look, he says as a receiver, I just think he's kind of bland Sherman, a former NFL quarterback. Remember Sherm was a wide receiver.

He, he got, he went to Stanford as a wide receiver. He ended up moving to a defensive back. He said on the Lions, our monster, right? St. Brown podcast, St. Brown asked Sherman, if he thinks Hunter can play both wide receiver and cornerback in NFL. Sherman said, hell no. You know that, right? You're talking crazy. But there's been a lot, there's been a lot. You and I think, yes, he can play packages, but there's been a lot, there's been a lot. You and I think yes, he can play packages, but nobody, I don't believe anybody think he's going to play every snap on office, every snap on defense. Nobody believes that.

Do we believe that he can be a defensive back and have a package of plays on office? Yes. Yes. Because we've seen it before. We've seen Prime do it. Yeah. Bailey, Charles Woodson, there've been a couple of guys.

JJ Watt had a couple of packages as a defensive lineman. But to play every snap. So the NFL, so to try to play 120 snaps in an NFL game. Yeah. Wait, listen, you'll have to have the endurance of the Ethiopian runners. Yeah. That's the kind of endurance you're going to have to have. But when I think about it, I mean, when I think about Travis Hunter and how special

he is, even at the receiver's position, I understand what Shermans talk about in a sense, but I understand, I'm also understanding how much work and how much time he has to work on his craft from a receiver standpoint. He's so athletic and gifted. Once they sharpen up all the tools, man, it's a wrap. If he get drafted, he has to get drafted as a wide receiver anyway, cause that's what the money is. That's what the money I see Travis. I think you'd be better suited. Forget the money. Oh Joe.

Wordy where forget the money. Where can I see Travis. I think you'd be better suited. Forget the money, Ocho. Forget the money. Where can I thrive? Where is my best chance to be the most productive player I could possibly be? I think it's a little bit side of the ball. Don't do me like that. Don't do me like that.

He got to play receiver. He got to play receiver. You got to understand the money is on the receiving end. And then the packages, the packages at the DB boom, they got to give you like a little bonus for that. Oh, you think. Oh, what packages he got? I'm saying when he when he gets to the NFL,

he don't have small packages like a nickel. He could be he could be the nickel. I bet you he'll play more snaps on defense and offense. And I bet he did. No, no, no, no, no, no, no No, listen, listen as his agent as his agent. He probably gonna hire me but as his agent I'm telling him man, buddy, man. Listen here, man. Let me tell you something. You want to play receiver? You got receivers making 30 million a year So by the time it's time for you to get paid you talk about 45 maybe 50

And by the fact they got to pay you 50 because you play both sides of the ball We can integrate that into your contract, you know and and and and you know the fact the fine print Okay, what you talking about? Nah You don't want him on the defense end They underpaid I'm look I'm just looking at it from a skill set and where his skills are right now. He's a much better defensive back than he is a wide receiver. I don't agree with you. Okay.

I don't, I don't agree with you simply for the fact that what he's doing on defense is instinctive based on watching film and knowing what's coming as opposed to looking at what he can do at receiver Ocho Ocho How many comebacks have you seen him run huh, how many comebacks have you seen him run? Well, I'm I'll show what you mean you have it. That's a wide receiver Wait wait a minute wait a minute, wait a minute. Yes. Don't jump down my throat now.

I'm just asking him. Don't normally receive him. You gotta run a comeback. Go ahead. I've seen him. He could probably run comebacks. I've seen him make plays. I say probably.

I said, Ocho, how many comebacks have you seen him run? Well, maybe they don't have comebacks in that offense. Ocho, come on now. You asked me how many comebacks have I seen him run. Well, they don't have comebacks in the office. What you want me to say? I see how many days. Oh, I just seen him run a dig. I've seen him run a dig and come out the back door. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, I seen him take a I seen him. I seen him catch a slant and reverse and reverse feel and come back out. We ran a slant. Oh, Joe, I'm just saying, yeah, looking at it. Studied for the since he's since he's been at Colorado. That's why he's a little bit of Jackson State, because a lot of when they came on ESPN, I would pay attention. Right. Right. But watching him, I think his skill set for DB is far

better suited, far superior, because like I said, OK, he's a natural DB. He also he could just he just rolled out of bed like, hey, I got a natural DB. He, oh, Joe, he just roll out of bed like, hey, I got old boy right here. His back pedal, the way he can back pedal and the way he can transition. Now you know, in order to play receiver, these guys will choke you out here if you can't release. Oh, see, I don't know about,

I don't know about that part of his game. I don't know about that. His ladder movement is a yes. His ladder move like a long stride of them. Right. He is. He told he told you, you think he likes six three. Yeah, we could work on that. We could work on that. He told he told you, you think we could work on that. He comes to come train with me, train with me for three months. Man, we listen, I get him open in the phone booth. I get him open to the phone booth.

All we got to do is show it, shorten up your gate, shorten up your steps. And once you, once you, once you get, once you get out that dead area off the line, then you can open up all you want. I just, like I said, I think he's phenomenal. He's as good an athlete that I've seen with my own eyes. And I've seen some pretty good ones. Like I said, I was, your, I was in the year came into your after time. And so I watched him and I was in the league when Bo was in the league.

There are two of the greatest. Athletes, you know, when you can play a professional sport, too, baseball and football. True. I played three, but go ahead. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, everybody in NFL played two sports, three sports in high school, but to do it professionally.

Right. That was me. Yeah. So it's unbelievable. Like I said, I just want to see him. I think he's better suited at the end of the day. He's going to, I don't think he has to make a decision. I think the team is going to help him make that decision. They can see, son, we will give you some packages on the opposite side of the football. Oh, see, oh, Joe, you're looking at it from a pure monetary standpoint.

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I'm telling you, man. Now, see, here's the thing. I'll give you an example. Now, if he had Tyreex Speed, I was like, OK, you're right. You don't have to have that kind of speed. That's unnecessary. But guys that don't have that kind of speed. That's unnecessary. But guys that don't have that kind of speed, what can they do? It tell people at home for guys that don't have Tyreek speed

and they play wire receiver, what can they do, Ocho? You couldn't touch them in a phone booth. They're technically sound. There's a reason why Steve Largent, when he retired, had all the records. He ran four seven, but he was a route running technician. Guys that can't, that aren't speed merchants, they can run the route tree and make every route look the same. The release, the slant looks just like the quick out, looks just like the smoke, looks just like the over, looks just like the end out. Looks just like the smoke. Looks just like the over. Looks just like the end,

the comeback. He's fast though. He fast. He's 4-3. He's 4-3. And if he's not 4-3, he will be by the time it's, by the time in drive time. Like 4-2 is great. That's a, that's a great tool to have in your toolbox, but you don't literally have to be 4-2 to be effective. Look at Justin Jeffries. a toolbox, but you don't literally have to be full to to be effective. Look at Justin Jeffries. I just chase. Oh, Joe, you're talking about elite receivers that run routes. You just said you haven't seen him run the whole tree. Oh, yeah, I'm a heaven because it's not a part of their often.

I mean, they're Pacific often. But what I do see him do, I know what he can do when he get that ball in his hands. Yeah. Oh, Joe, do you know, oh oh Joe, you know how good these DBS are if you're not, if you can't consistently release, they will eat you in your chest. Right. Yeah. Any weakness. We're gonna work on that. We're gonna work on that. I got you. That's what I'm saying. But I don't know even if his releases would ever be where his DB skills are. Some things he just got just just God given. God given right out of the bed.

He just woke up. God made that angel that long angular body. He could be fluid. He can back because normally you know guys that are corners that are long. You know it's hard for them to flip the hips he can flip his hips yeah you're natural he can flip his hips and that's what you got to be able to do okay you got to be able to turn it run you gotta be able to turn the dry you gotta be back and come forward well you know I used to give him hell, boy. Back in 87, boy.

Huh? See, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. And I and I, you know, I told you and time said this time said, had I just like focused on being a wide receiver, just focused on that. I could have went to Hall of Fame and he could have because he had that kind of thing. You got to realize the time is for two. Oh two Oh, it looks like he ain't got there running damn. No, he did it didn't but he could fly. Yeah, I Don't know if you guys oh, I don't know if you guys are old enough to like I just wish

Like some things that you needed to see Like TV doesn't do it justice. No, you got to see it in person to watch Barry Sanders in person, to watch prime, to watch Jerry, to watch Steph Curry shoot a basketball, to watch LeBron, to watch Jordan, to watch Kobe. Some things can only be seen through the eyes. Yeah. Watch Serena to hear that ball come off Serena's racket.

I know sometimes it gets drowned out, but to hear it, you like, oh my, I mean, it sounds like if you're from the South, you know what I'm talking about. When you took the rug out and you're hungered over the fence or the clothesline and you took the broom, you boom, boom. Yeah. Yeah. That's what the ball sounds like. Jumping off Serena's racket. Then you got an appreciation.

OK, now I see what y'all talking about to see Reggie at his prime, to see, to see that, to see the brute and see the Ed Reeds and Ray Lewis. Some things you really literally had to see. Yeah. In the state, you need to be in the stadium to really, really appreciate. Yeah. I enjoy, I mean, I enjoy watching it, watching him play. I mean, he, he's a phenomenal talent.

I love watching him play. Oh, chill. We got to move on to this next. There was a lot of buzz on social. Why are we rushing? We got, no, no, no, we got another topic. We got another topic. There was a lot of buzz on social. Whoa, whoa, whoa, why are we rushing? We got help. We got another topic. We got another topic. There's a lot of buzz on social media about some pregame interaction between Cam Newton, Shador Sanders, and Travis Hunter. Now, okay, okay, can you hear the sound?

Okay. Okay, this is pregame. What happened? What happened? Here for context, this is what we look. Hold on. Can you see it? Yeah, I can see it. I can see it. I can see it. What they, what they think. It's hard to tell.

I mean, look at, looking at the mannerism and body language. It looks like they they could be playing, but without without audio is hard to tell. It is it is. And. Well, and there was some interaction earlier. OK, OK, they're good, they're good, they're good.

There are some interactions earlier in the pregame with the door and Cam and your door didn't seem here it is right here. It wasn't very receptive. I'm going to try to give you some context, Ocho. Did he say something wrong? Here's what happened. Cam said on his fourth in one podcast, let's take a listen to what Cam said and what maybe caused Shador's reaction.

Look, my whole thing with Shador is this. You followed him since he was at Jackson State, correct? Yeah, even when he was in high school. Right? Yeah. What, when can he hang, like what performance? Can you hang your hat on? Can you hang your hat on in college? Yeah.

I only thing I have was like, that TCU or that Nebraska game his first year. This year. We're talking about TCU and they ended up not being a good team. Yeah. Nebraska's actually what's up, boy. Ain't like he beat... That's true. And you can't say, well, you was at Auburn, he was at Colorado. It was like Auburn wasn't no favorite to win before you got there. Nobody was picking Arvin to win the national champion. For sure, I don't even think they even thought

y'all was gonna have a winning season before you got there. Yeah? It was motherfuckers on our team that didn't even think that we was capable of. All I'm gonna say is this. And don't get it mistaken. That's beaming over there. Be careful with them comparisons.

Ah! My hand pulled it on me. I can see why Shadour would be a little upset. K.L. said that two days ago, Ocho. That was recent. Yes, he said this two days ago. So we wanted to provide context to maybe why? Because of, you know, first of all, should door is a pure pocket passer. Yes, he's not. He's not an athlete like Cam.

He can't. He doesn't move like Cam. He's not Kyler Murray. He's not Lamar Jackson. That's not what he is. But the situations are completely different based on the times and when they played he is. But the situations are completely different based on the times and when they played. We can't move like those guys. He got when he went to the what you call them. Those guys were athletes. He is a pocket. He's a drop back, prototypical pocket passing. That's what he is. So the comparison can't be with a KM because KM rush for damn near 50 on the yards. Lam't rush for them in 50 on the yards Lamar rush for 50 on the yards Kyle rush for I think Kyle rush for over a thousand yards should door He might not he rushed for a thousand yards in his career. He might be like Brady, right? But I'm also I'm also speaking in context not just to the comparison of the quarterbacks that they are But also the comparison in the context of the team that they're playing for and playing with at that time

Completely apples and oranges. Completely different. You know, but based on the time that Shadour is in right now, he is still one of the best despite maybe not having any games to hang his tail on. Even not having him. He's still one of the best. But that's not what they said when he went to TCU and threw for 500 yards Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because remember TCU had just lost in the national championship game to Georgia people thought they were pretty good. Yeah So he did that not in not any good. Yeah, I mean Listen, I mean to eat it's football, it's sports. Everybody's gonna have opinion.

Some opinion you're gonna agree with, some opinion's not gonna like. Sometimes rub people the wrong way, sometimes gonna ruffle some feathers. Now what I would like for the players to have, you know, when it's, I call them the OGs, when the OGs like the Cam Newtons, you know, heisman winner, you know,

you take what they say with a grain of salt, but also respect some of the things they're just saying because they've already done it. They've already done it, but it's, but it's, it's, it's such a, it's tough because today's era of kids or I don't want to use the word sensitive, but if you say something, they are, they're going to remember. If you say something, they're going to remember everything you said you say you don't remember everything you said and they don't hang on to it, they don't even even the professionals, because if you try to critique a player

and they don't like what you say, you hate. But when you say I'm hating, I've given all all the players that come after me, I give them the credit. I got no problem. Oh, yeah. Look, Gronk and Gronk and guns. Whatever. I got no problem. I got the most out of my ability. People like, well, you don't criticize the black quarterbacks like you criticize.

Do you all realize that? You don't realize I think I want to say this, Ocho. Yeah, I ended up leaving Fox because I criticized the guy that had seven Super Bowls. But y'all say, y'all just heard me. I said about Joe Burrow. Y'all heard what I said about what

I used to beat up Tony Romo. Y'all heard what I said about Aaron Rodgers, Brent Favre. Y'all just look, I get it. I get it. I get it. I'm black, but if a black quarterback doesn't play well, y'all can't expect me to go out there and say the man played well when he didn't do you. I don't care what they're, what the white commentators do, but I can't because I don't, we don't get that luxury. I'm not gonna get no 37 million dollars deal right out the box

Hmm if I do that too much, they go get my black ass off TV So I've got to be honest in what I see. I'm not hating on nobody Understand what they've gone through I remember When the black quote when Warren Moon had to go to Canada after winning the Rose Bowl, I'm older than the remember. I remember a, a, a shot carries who the freedom I know it. I know the history, but guys, when I critique a player, it ain't a jealous

bone in my body. Y'all do know my resume. Come on, what they're doing. It can't erase what Shannon Sharpe did at Baltimore and Denver. So I but come on, guys, and y'all get upset. Well, you bro, can y'all honestly think I don't watch the games? I mean, the lady told me today I was trying to say Chelsea Gray, blah, blah, blah. I said, I don't want you all to look at her

for what she did in the Olympics because she's coming off of the injury. But I think they can win. I think it's going to be tough. Oh, show that she goes to show you Shannon don't watch basketball. They won the championship without Chelsea. No, they didn't. Chelsea Gray played the first two games.

She played superb. She got hurt in game three. Now you win, gotta win three because it's the best three out of five. She got hurt in game three. They won game four in New York or they was going to have to come back to Las Vegas. You see, you see how people just throw that out there. And a lot of people bought it.

Yeah, I know he didn't watch the games. Really? Yeah. Y'all know I watched the games. That's why I can tell you a specific play. What happened? I don't watch the game to see who scores. I could care less. I'm trying to decipher how they scored, why they scored. What was the formation? What was the

defense? What was the coverage, Ocho? What was the front? Based on the front, based on the coverage, that ball shouldn't have been there. That should have been a knockdown, blah, blah, blah. That's what I'm looking for. That's why I don't watch the sound because I don't want them to try to convince me. No, I know what I'm looking for. I know what I'm looking for, but I'm never gonna be jealous because I want the guys to make all the money. Because I remember when I came in, Ocho,

when I started making big money, hell, I'm sure Ozzy and Kelly like, well, damn, they paying that kind of money now? Yeah. Yeah. And I look at these guys now, these guys now make it damn, tight ends, make it damn near more in one year than I made in a career. Yeah. But that's the evolution of the position.

And I'm okay with that, but I got to be honest guys. I got to be, that's the only way I can be in a, if I, if I can't, when they say well, Shannon, you can't say this. And I've been very fortunate. I've never been on a network where they try to sway me. I know y'all think they tell me to say, bro, you think some of the stuff I'd be saying, they tell me to say, they'd be, they'd probably be like, Oh my God, did he, did he just say that? Yeah, I did.

And people, people get upset on Joe. Oh, you see how he talk to women? You see how he talk to women? I don't debate gender. I debate whoever's in that chair. It could be a St. Bernard sitting there. He gonna get it too. Stephen A, Swaggs, Dior, RC,

Janay, Andrea, Monica, it does not matter. Now you can't ask to be treated equal, but when we come up on a topic that requires us to get a little animated and, and, and voices to ride, Oh, don't talk to no, no, no, no, no, that's not, not, not what we're going to do now. Right. Y'all didn't go ahead and skip me that day. Go ahead and pay me for that day. Let me take off. Cause I'm going to keep it a day. I'm coming. I'm coming. Because y'all know what y'all get when y'all get me.

Y'all already know. I have a voice. I have a voice that projects. Yeah, me too. When have you ever known me not to be a passionate about something that I'm talking about? Name the time. I want y'all to name the time that y'all

seen Shannon Sharp in the format that I've been in since 2016, not be passionate about a particular topic. You had no problem when I was passionate about Kaepernick. You had no problem when I was passionate about George Floyd. You had no, you had no problems when I was passionate about the Red Sox and what they said to the players or what that Seattle player. You had no problems with that. But now Shannon, can you dial it back just a little bit? Right. Okay. I don't know. Yeah.

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