Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Belichick in Dallas, Josh Allen MVP, Lamar struggles vs PIT

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 10 of the NFL season including Bill Belichick could be Jerry Jones top pick for HC of the Dallas Cowboys in 2025, Josh Allen passes Lamar Jackson and Jared Goff as frontrunner for MVP, Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers have Lamar Jackson’s number and much more!03:18 - Belichick top of Jerry Jones’ list of options08:30 - Are the Bengals wasting Joe Burrow?15:46 - Josh Allen has taken over as MVP front runner23:47 - Daniel Jones gets demoted?30:49 - Joey Porter Jr’s family selling his tickets33:18 - Bills vs. Chiefs41:00 - Steelers vs. Ravens(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am your favorite uncle. Shannon Sharp, that guy right there is your favorite Liberty City native. He's a bingo ringer, fame honoree. He's a pro bowler. He's an all pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Just call him Ocho. According to Adams S. Schafter,

Bill Belichick seen as unlikely to be among Jerry Jones, top head coach options. Schafter said, lots of speculation, swirling about what the Cowboys would do. People have even thought about Coach Belichick having been spotted in Dallas last week. It can be confirmed that Bill Belichick was in Dallas last week,

but it wasn't to meet with the Cowboys. It was for a previous speaking engagement. Still, that doesn't start the idea that there are people across the league who continue to believe that Coach Belichick will be one of the top considerations for Jerry Jones after the season. Bill was not pleased with Dallas effort tonight against Joe Mixon. Go tackle him. You wear pants for a reason. Go tackle him. I don't see it. I don't see it. If you understand for those that

are in the chat, if you understand how Bill is, if you understand how he runs his ship, how he runs his ship, one of the main things that he talks about is not talking. No bulletin board material. Keeping quiet and to have an owner like Jerry Jones at the front center of everything. I think maybe he would like it in a sense, the fact that it takes away from him having to talk and be in front of the camera and in front of the media. He takes that spotlight.

I think it's something that Bill might not like, but I think it gives too much balloons for material to the other team and unnecessary pressure on the players as well. But what happens when coach Belichick comes in and say, this roster is not good enough to compete. Everybody on that roster is there at the behest of Jerry. How is that gonna make Jerry look when he said,

nobody could do a better job selecting these players than me and Coach Belichick comes in there and says, I mean, that's a conversation that would be had way beforehand, I'm not sure if, That's a conversation that we had way beforehand. I'm not sure if even Bill was able to even think about taking the job in Dallas. I mean, he would understand, obviously, I don't have a roster to be able to compete.

And he would probably tell Jerry, knowing Bill, who is very, very honest, if you're able to talk to him one-on-one, man, Jerry, you lying not only only to yourself you land to the fans if you think yeah you got some fuzz on your neck bro yeah I got it yeah you got it no you didn't yeah go ahead it's gone okay okay I appreciate that pretty yeah you're a good dude because you could just have me appeal all fussy the whole show I I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be

able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able

to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to

do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it.. I'm not gonna be able to do it. It's not gonna work. Right. It's just hard. And I know people have said that Coach Belichick says he doesn't need control, but it's hard when you've had

control for two plus decades to all of a sudden says, you know what, I answered to a GM or I got a pro personnel director and I got to answer to the owner. When you've never had, you had a direct line of communication straight to the owner. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's just hard for me to believe, to see a scenario that he can just give up that kind of autonomy

when he's had it for such a long time. Understanding the way Bill runs his ship and I don't need you in my way. I don't need you in my way in doing what it takes to build a contender. I know what it takes. You've done it before. You have some war rings. I have some war rings. I think if I'm not mistaken Bill has two more than the Cowboys, right? two more than two more than the cowboys right uh he has he has the cowboys have five but he has two as a defensive coordinator so he has eight total he went to with the giants he was the coordinator with the giants at that point jerry should you know what i give you the reins if i'm just saying hypothetically speaking if it's if it's ever to happen Jerry had to take a seat he got to see you got to take a back seat let Bill does what he's

already done he's already done he knows what it takes in this time in this era he knows what the roster needs to look like he knows what pieces need to do when it comes draft when it comes draft time nobody does it better than Bill when it comes to breaking down film and understanding what type of players I need to build a team. Where Jerry relinquish that power? Jerry like names, Bill, like guys that fit a particular scheme. He likes smart players. He liked players that fit a safety.

It'll be a certain size of linebacker to be a certain size. Defensive linemen to be a certain size is hard. Everybody can't play D line in a scheme because it's D line is to eat up players and let the linebacker free flow and go make plays. That's how he operates. He's a two gap guy. He doesn't want you to run the football. Everybody has a responsibility, do your responsibility.

And I think this is work. I'm gonna put you in the right situation for you to do your job. But it's gonna be very interesting to see what the Cowboys do for the rest of the season. Joe Burrow is on pace to finish the season as an early vacation despite leading the NFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns.

Joe Burrow is projected to finish with 4608 yards, 42 touchdowns, and six interceptions, which should potentially win him the MVP. But guess what? He ain't gonna get no votes, but instead he has a sub 500 record and his team is a joke. Through the first 11 games, the Bengals are four and seven.

Joe has 3,028 passing yards, 27 touchdowns, and four interceptions. Players to achieve 3,000 passing yards, 27 plus touchdowns, and a five or fewer interception through 11 games. Tom Brady in 2007, 2015, one season he was 16 to 0, the other season he was 13 and three. Aaron Rogers in 2020, in 2011, 2021, in 2020, excuse me.

He was 15 and one, 13 and three. Patrick Mahomes in 2020, he was 15 and 1 13 and 3 Patrick Mahomes in 2020 he was 14 and 2 Drew Brees 2018 he was 13 and 3 you you you you you see I think Brady wasn't MVP in both of those seasons didn't he uh Aaron Rodgers I think Aaron Rodgers wasn't MVP in both of those seasons I think Patrick Mahomes won the MVP. So because he's four and seven, regardless of what the numbers are, there's no way you win.

Well, obviously, Jerry Goff and Josh Allen. Well, you got Jerry Goff playing well enough to win it. You got, in Buffalo, Josh Allen playing well enough. You got Saquon Barkley. So how do you give it to a guy? Because at the end of the day, he putting up all those stats in a losing effort. I mean, yeah, if he was, if he was winning, oh Joe, yeah, let's just say for the sake of argument, I ain't saying he needed to be 10 and one, but let's just say for the sake of argument, he's seven and three and one,

or he's 83. Now we got a whole different discussion with those types of numbers. Yeah. But yeah, he's having a heck of a season. He's a heck of a player. He's the number one overall pick for a reason. He got two outstanding receivers, his defense, and he has to put up those type numbers

because his defense is bad. Yeah, because the defense is bad Oh Joe people want to know Is joe burrow being wasted in cincinnati? That's a good question. I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it's being wasted in cincinnati Think about it Hypothetically speaking obviously joe's gonna be there for a decade a decade plus or more Where else can he go? Where else would he go where wouldn't be wasted because all the other opportunities and other chances for him to be on a team that is good, that had the chance to win a Super Bowl,

already have quarterbacks on. Think about it. Even if you throw out a hypothetical, what situation would be better than what he's in right now? With the offense that he has, even though the defense is bad, any team that has a good defense, I guarantee they already have a quarterback.

Think about it. Yeah, I mean, I understand what people are saying saying and saying, you know, is being wasted, but there's a reason he's a quarterback. So the point of what they have to do is every team is a quarterback away from winning a Super Bowl or being able to contend. So the Bengals are in a position to contend year in and year out because of who they have at the helm at quarterback. Now what you have to do is you got to build around him. They already built around him offensively.

Now you got to build the defense against. Well, it's gonna hurt you because you got a quarterback on max money and receiver that's not gonna give you a discount because you jerked them around. So what you could have gotten, say 145 million, is gonna probably cost you 155, 160. And he's gonna want 90 million in guaranteed money.

So that's the problem that you're running to when you kick the can down the road. It's a great thing to have, because that means the guy that you selected in the first round, you hit on. The bad news is, you gotta pay him. You're probably gonna, think about it, Ocho, You're probably gonna think about it Ocho, you're probably gonna lose Hendrickson.

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Remember he wanted more money. He's leaning in the pill of sex right now too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you gonna lose him. You got, you need to de-tackle, you need to de-tackle. Yeah. Well you let Reader go.

So y'all got your work cut out for you over Kicker Evan McPherson has basically cost the Bengals three to four wins and a K. It lost to Casey 26 25 he missed your extra point lost to Washington. He missed the field goal 38 33 lost to Baltimore. Mr Field goal 41 38 lost to the charges. He missed two field goals 34 27. Hey same thing with Justin Tucker you know I think I think we can go down to a list of numerous games that have happened throughout the season where I hate saying it where it shouldn't come down to the kicker but it actually comes down to the kicker's foot it actually comes down to him being damn what's the word I'm looking for for kickers? Him being accurate, you know, for the lack of better terms.

And that's a very, very, very tough spot to be in where you can't miss field goals. The goalposts are a lot narrower now. You know, being able to hit them. I heard Justin Tucker complain about the surface and listen, it had nothing to do with that. It all go... Yeah. Ocho. Yeah.

Let me ask you a question. What if I put Joe, what if I put Joe Burr in Minnesota? Oh my God. With that defense? Well you might, you might, you might, you might... He still, hey, he still got JJ, he got Addison, he got Hawkinson. But they got JJ McCarthy, so as a hypothetical speaking on it, you might as well give him the **** trophy.

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So listen to Moms Who Puck, a production of iHeart Women's Sports and Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Josh Allen has officially overtaken Lamar as the MVP frontrunner. Josh Allen is now a plus 150. Lamar Jackson is a plus 200, Jared Goff is a plus 600, Jaylen Hertz is fourth with plus 1200, Patrick Mahomes is plus 1300, and Kyle LaMurray is plus 1500.

In the regular season, Josh Allen has passed for 2,543 yards, which is seventh, 18 touchdowns, which is 718 touchdowns which is 6 5 interceptions he's tied for 5th. I mean he's tied for 57 Which is a good thing and if QBR of 72.6 puts him in for Lamar he's second in passing yards 2876 he's second in passing yards, 2876. He's second in touchdowns, 25. He's tied for 47 with three interceptions. He's number two in QBR, 75.1. Hey, you know what's funny?

Everything, the way you just ran it down, with golf probably, golf and Josh Allen obviously being the back and forth, it's gonna change because Lam change because Lamar's not going to play another bad game like he did against the Steelers. He's going to come out and he's going to be the front runner again, because then he's going to put on an unbelievable performance. I'm not sure what their schedule is or who they're playing next, but the other teams

aren't used to them. It's not a divisional game. It's not going to be a divisional game. They're not going to have the structured defense to be able to contain him the way the Steelers do. The Steelers are built to be able to stop a player like himself because they're used to seeing him and understanding that team's tendencies offensively. So he's going to come out, he's going to have one hell of a day, do some crazy stuff

on the ground, do some crazy stuff in the air, and he's going to be back at the number one spot to an MVP, I you guarantee yeah I mean look I mean he has another game against the Steelers Steelers have given them problem where's Lamar he has one of four games one of four yeah he has another game but this game is at home against the Steelers where would is at home against the Steelers Where would they have they got the Steelers I think they got another game against Cleveland Yeah at charges this week He's at the charges this week

Eagles at home at Giants home versus the Steelers at Texans home versus the round so it ain't like you got some cupcakes on the schedule now. Again every team you just name don't have the personnel like the Steelers do to be able to stop what he's able to do and what he does well. What about the personnel are going up against his defense? What about the Eagles offense against that defense? What about the Texans offense against that defense? Hey, can I tell you something? I don't know the people, but you do know your Raven team is dead last in the secondary when it comes against the pass. Hey, 30 seconds. But see, when I tell people that, they say, when you trying to, you trying, I know, if you just see that when people tell me,

oh, now you could tell Shannon didn't watch the game, you watching it, but you don't know what the hell you looking for. You're like a blind dog in a meat house. You can't tell me fronts, you can't tell me coverages, you can't tell me formations, you can't tell me anything. All you watching for is touchdowns and sacks. I'm watching to understand why they have success.

So while you tell me I'm not watching it, you watching it, but you don't know what the hell you looking at, it's like you watching a foreign film and they got subbed, unless they give you subtitles, you don't know what the hell you looking at. I've been telling them, but they gave me excuse. Wait till this guy comes back. Wait till that guy comes back.

Well, I saw you guys in there when you had those guys and your defense was still bad in past He did much much better stop the run that that that second level At some point time fans gonna have to understand everybody is not a hater Sometimes people are just trying to give you information Our job is sometimes to be is to be entertaining is to be informative to be entertaining, is to be informative, to be educational. Okay, yes. I say a lot of things in a joking manner, but I'm actually giving you factual information

if you just listen to it, but you don't want to because you wanna paint this narrative that oh, Shannon is a hater. But listen to what Shannon says. When it comes back, what I tell you, then you talk about, oh, oh, I could have captain obvious, but you didn't say it. Right.

But people don't just don't want to get no credit, boy, people don't want to get no credit. Because if I didn't, if I didn't say it, why didn't you say that before? I said it when I knew that. No, you didn't. Because I take it to the black, I take it it to the board and say oh drop me a cover six Draw me cover seven. Give me five zone. Okay. Give me this formation. Give me this protection. I want you to redirect What you mean by that? No, you know, you watching the game you should know The casual fan can't do that

I don't think the casual fan can't do that. Hell no they can't, but they just want to jump on your timeline and try to, well he ain't watching the game. I am watching the game. I also know that when you throw the ball more than you're running as a Raven, you lose. That's what I do know. That's a right there.

I'm the one that's saying put Derrick Henry in the eye. Ain't nobody else say that. I said it from the drum, Ocho. I said he's not his own readback because he's a long strider and you don't get, you need, he needs time to be able to redirect. When you put him that close to the line, he's such a long strider, he can't redirect his feet.

Barry Sanders, a short strider can do it. He perfect, that's perfect for him. But Derrick Henry needs to be able to change direction. He needs to be able to check his feet and cut back, get back downhill. That's why you put his heels at eight, you toss it to him, you hand it to him and boom. Now, whoever drew up that damn play,

that they tossed that ball to Derrick Henry and they let TJ Watt come in there and blow his ass up, they should have put him back there and run it back and let the same thing happen. Don't block TJ Watt and let TJ Watt, TJ Watt knock his ass in the gutter. The right tackle should have known, but I'm not sure what the blocking assignment was,

but why would you let TJ Watt run Scott free with the pitch, even though the pitch is going the opposite way, still. Every time, he gonna get there every time. Yes. I just like I'm like who who thought that was a good idea. Hey, we're going to run this tall play week, but we're going to unblock TJ Y. Okay, and you see what happened. Damn, they got digger and I'm like, that's why I stopped playing running back because I got tired of my bad shot. Well, it ain't't your bad I'm way down the damn field I ain't got to

worry about my back I got to worry about my bad on choke I got tired of you that's me that's on me bro right dude I got me looking at my ear hole but you talk about your bad what I do hey hey hey speaking of that think about how bad it is for quarterbacks when the old line is playing bad when they can't block and the quarterback continues to get sacked over and over and over and you can't fustle them, then you have to keep your mannerisms and your facial expressions has to be on point no matter how many times you get hit in the game. Imagine. I want to ask- Yeah, Ojo, let me ask you a question right when the Cowboys fell behind About 10 13 points with no threat of the running game. What you think the Texas thinking?

Yeah, they ain't playing for no draw. They're not playing for no run. That's a pin in their ears back You everybody's stated know you're not gonna run it And now you made it very it's, I don't care who your offensive lineman are, you let them jokers know that every single down, you're going to throw it. Yeah. Make those sense. Daniel Jones was demoted to third string quarterback with a two and a giant on their bi-week.

This was a logical time to change and give, give back up Danny DeVito, who was chosen over number two quarterback Drew Locke to prepare. Ocho, if I'm gonna lose, I don't want nobody to get any chance. But thank you, we gonna win this game. Drew Locke gonna go in there and try to win this game and try to show he deserves a chance. No, get your ass. Danny DeVito, not that bad now. Man, look here. Danny DeVito, that's now. Man, look here.

Danny DeVito, that's exactly right. You got his name right. Danny DeVito. Tommy. His real name, Tommy. But you're right Danny. Yeah, that's him. That's him, yep.

He gonna give you the same results as Danny DeVito. You wanna make a little bet? You wanna make a little bet coming out the back? Coming out the back for the Giants? The only thing that survives this season, bye. That's the- Tommy, Tommy DeVito, Tommy, Tommy. I'll tell you about DeVito.

But think about it, Ocho. Yes, sir. Think about this. Yeah. Drew Lock was the second string. They promoted the third string, which tells me we want the high draft pick. Drew Locke could potentially win the game.

We ain't finna win with him. Jones benched a single, the end of a six year run with the Giants in the starting quarterback. The Giants went 13 and three in games started by Jones over the past two seasons. And they ranked last in the league in scoring. His career record is 24, 44 and one.

Hey, give me those stats that you gave me this morning. Ocho, I will give you, he's 24. He started, what, 70 games. He's 24, 44 and one. Ocho, they gave this man a contract extension 40 million dollars 160 on 60 now you tell me you got ash is pulling up no i want his record 2019 2021 before he got yeah no i don't yeah everybody know everybody know he Yeah, no, I don't yeah everybody know everybody know he

The Panthers talk about reportedly have a have interest in Daniel Jones Yes, sir. Oh Joe He started 12 games his rookie. He went three and nine the next season season he went five and nine. The next season he went four and seven. He goes nine, six, and one and he gets a contract extension. Now see you see what they did? They disregarded the previous three seasons. A big sample size for the small sample size because we want to justify giving this man this money. You see what they did? You see. Now we gonna disregard the three and nine. We're gonna disregard the five and nine. We're gonna disregard. Now he had 11 touchdowns, 10 on the

exceptions. 10 touchdowns, seven on the exceptions. He went 15 and five. Let's get him a raise. That 15 and five look good though. That 15 and five, nine and six record. They look good. Okay maybe he's going in the right direction. After the first three years or the first two, no the first three, he didn't look like he should. Boom, the year where it counts, which we call it the contract where you wanna give a quarterback some money,

they saw the improvement as opposed to the small sample size that it did see. Okay, maybe he's improving out. This is- That made Lamar Jackson play on the franchise tag after he won an MVP. But that ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought it up,

but let me keep my mouth shut. Because first of all, quarterback is the only position that you get paid on potential. They won't let, if Jamar Chase wasn't doing what he was doing, he can't get no money. They can't say, well, you know what?

I think Lamar Chase heading in the right direction. Let's give him top number get no money. They can't say, well, you know what? I think Lamar Chase heading in the right direction. Let's give him top number one receiver money. All the guys, name a position other than quarterback that you get paid on potential. I'm not saying Joe Burr, I mean, there are guys that earn that money, but a lot of these quarterbacks get paid on, man, I believe he's turned the corner. They don't ever over. Man I believe he's turned the corner.

They don't ever pay another position believing that he's turned the corner. And there's a whole another conversation and I don't want to go there but you did bring it up. You know it was the elephant in the room. You talk about they made Lamar Jackson play on the what? Okay. Friends have tag. But they didn't make even if they weren't MVP. Yeah, that's another comment. Yeah, I I ain't I ain't I ain't breaking on I don't think I'm everybody see

Yeah, they have the three blind eyes on Oh damn that's Oh But hey it's sir it couldn't happen to a Oh damn that's fucked up. Oh. But hey, it couldn't happen to a better organization than the Giants. Serves you right. Cause you didn't want to play Saquon.

You know they don't value the running back position as they said. Fear the deer, now look at him. Look at Joe Mixon, what he's doing. Look at what Joe Mixon is doing for the Houston Texans. Derrick Henry can do that when they give him the ball. We see what he does for the Ravens offense. He makes them almost undefendable.

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Respect. Make it a business. Make it a business. Make it a business. Yeah. That was funny. Yes, sir. Hey, Ocho, would you care if your family sold tickets and you left for them at will call?

No, probably not. Probably not. I'm leaving tickets for you at will call that I'm probably getting for free anyway. And if you want to make a little, make a little side money on that, you know, I have have no I have no problem with your hustle I have no problem with your hustle because that means you ain't gonna be asking me for no money and no uh I'm trying to think what you think I

I know the fact depending on who we playing, they definitely ain't coming or showing up. But you already know, but I mean, for the most part, don't you like, if I leave somebody tickets at Will Call, especially my family, I already know they coming. Cause first of all, they stay with me or they stay in the hotel that I paid for.

So I know they bringing their ass bringing their ass to the game. So I never really thought about it. Just for the case for the scenario you're talking about, I mean, I don't really see any family. Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, I did. I got my homeboy, I got bucket tickets to the Super Bowl. And they ended up, I guess they left more than what they should. Man, he said, homeboy, I sold them tickets. I said, well, what about my cut?

Oh, both, both? How you gonna, how you gonna sell something I gave you? Yeah. Man, that finance my trip. No, but I, you like, I'm like, you old, I ain't crying over that. Hell, cause you leave them long enough, hell they'll sell them. long enough. Tell them sell them

People pull up and sell them. So you got a certain amount of time to get your ass to the game Oh, they gonna sell them. Mm-hmm. Oh, well the bills hand the chief the first loss of the season Josh Allen rushes for a late touchdown on fourth down. I don't know what the chief was thinking They know they're gonna put the ball in Josh's hand and he's gonna run it. He's gonna run it. That's what he's done every time against the Kansas City Chiefs.

When they get to fourth down, they get to 31. That's what you're supposed to do. Put the ball in your best player's hand and let him do what he does. But the Bills put up 30 points against the Kansas City's defense that hadn't allowed more than 30 points since week four of 2022.

Forced Mahone to throw two interceptions, Allen improved the four and one in the regular season over Mahone. Buffalo is now 92, a half game back at Kansas City with the best record in the AFC. Look, I mean, people, see, the thing that I hate Ocho is that Like when we analyze a critique

A great player and that's what my homes is. He's a historically great place People's like well home not playing well And when you say that people think that you're trying to take away from what he's already done. No, he's done that I'm talking about right now Nobody can end their it that even if you're the most arty, die hardest of Chiefs fans, thinks Mahomes is playing well. He's not.

That doesn't mean, and because he's not playing well, that doesn't mean, do you believe he can turn it around? Yes, but let's deal with what we need to deal with. Look how many interceptions he had as opposed to touchdowns. It's damn near like every game you pencil in, Mahal's gonna turn the ball over at least once. At least once.

He's not playing well. He has not played well this year. He's had moments in which he's played well, but the totality, Mahomes used to play clean for the entirety of the game. He would go stretches where he'd have five, six, seven, eight games and he would be virtually impeccable. Now you hope you can get five or six possessions

in which he's impeccable, but he's not playing well The defense gave up 30 like I said think about it and see this what normally happens, you know It's gonna be a situation on Joe Somebody is gonna put points on your defense This is where my homes needed to have that game to go get 31 to go get 34 So that's the question that you're gonna have to ask yourself, Chiefs, fans, follow the NFL, if somebody can have a day in which they get up on the Chiefs

and have better than normal day against that defense. And Patrick Mahomes and this offense out duel an opposing team's offense it used to be a no-doubt it used to be unless you scored 28 or 30 points you could beat the Chiefs. Right well honestly if you think about it and when it comes to the regular season now the Bills are 4-1 against the Chiefs. But when we talk about that dueling situation where it matters most, and Patrick Mahomes coming in and playing his best football in opportune times has been in the postseason,

where they are 3-0 against the Bills. So again, in the regular season, for some reason, the Bills have always had success when it comes to playing the Chief. But when it mattered most, when it mattered most in the postseason, Patrick Mahomes has always come on top in those dual games like that. But again, not to take anything away from the Bills and what they did today.

Hell, I even had the Bills. Yeah, yeah, everybody. I think everybody should have. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that people are like, well, Mahomes, Mahomes, but we've never seen home play stretches like this that's the difference yeah we know what he is we know what he's done but we haven't seen him play like this we haven't he had he had worthy wide open and he throws him

leaves him out of bounds he leaves him up the field as a touchdown up the field as a touchdown. It's plays like that, that he used to never miss. And now more, more, it's more routine to see him miss those throws than make those throws, which is very uncommon. It's something that we're not used to seeing. The Bills mounted five scoring drives of at least eight plays and 60 yards for those plays ended on a touchdown and one ended the field goal so five of the six drives of at least eight plays and 60 yards ended in scores for TDs one field goal Josh Allen was 27 of 42 62 62, one touchdown, one INT. They ran the ball 31 times for 104 yards. James Cook had two touchdowns and it was Josh Allen

that sealed it, laid on the fourth down, 26 yard run. Patrick Mahal, I mean, look at it, 23 of 33 for 198. Has Patrick Mahal have a 300 yard game this year? He might have one. I mean look at it. 23 of 33 for 198. has Patrick Mahomes have a 300 yard game this year? He might have one. Yeah, maybe maybe one but again, you know what? You know what else you

know what else that comes into It makes it that much more difficult coming off a Super Bowl champion. I mean coming off a Super Bowl win, everybody targeting. Yeah, for sure. Everyone is everyone has studied you. All your tendencies, everything you like to do. They studied your offense. They studied your quarterback. So it makes it that much more difficult for

Patrick Holmes and that offense. Now the people have game plan and prepared to play you. So I think things are a little bit more difficult for them. And that's on Andy Reid to continue to do what he does and being as creative as possible to throw the team that you're playing off because they're a little bit better prepared. Yeah. But give Buffalo credit.

Buffalo is playing extremely well. Josh is playing, he's running. Hey, you look, he has six foot five, six six, two 50, two 55, and he foot five, six, six, two, 50, two, 55, and he can run. And he's a low, and once he opens up, man, who trying to tackle him? DBs ain't trying to tackle that man.

Uh-uh. So, bad, bad, please. But he's playing well, he throw the ball back. I mean, he's had what, consecutive game, three consecutive games, I'm not mistaken, turning the ball over, but he didn't turn it over when they was in the red zone because a lot of times they were getting in trouble he was throwing picks in the

end zone he was following the ball in the red zone and he was taking potential points off the board even though any drive could end it in a point you know but when you throw the ball in the end zone it gets turned over you know you're already in field goal range. But. Yeah. Dang. If I told you the quarterback has thrown in 11 games, the 10 games have thrown for 2,400 yards, he has 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions,

what would you say, Ocho? They're probably losing. Thank you. They're probably losing. If you. They're probably losing. If you don't put the name, if you don't put the name and you just say the stats in general, Luton team and whoever it is is playing very bad. Very bad. And so.

The fact that it looks like that on and they're only and they're still nine and one that says a lot about the player in general also as well. He's only had two games this season in which he has not thrown an interception. Yeah. Two games. How many 300 yard games has he had? He has one against the Saints.

Only one. Yeah, okay. Lamar can't get it done. He can't beat the Steelers again, Ocho. The Lamar Jackson Steelers,ers Russ the Steelers beat Baltimore 1816 it's just been difficult for the Ravens to overtake the Steelers when Lamar continues to struggle against them now You know the fans won't come out there say well. He ain't got no receivers. It ain't got this They're gonna blame Todd Monkin for the call because it ain't Lamar play bad

And he's played bad more routinely than not when he's faced the Steelers clear played bad and he's played bad more routinely than not when he's faced the Steelers. Go ahead. I have a question though. So about the Ravens game. Answer this for me. How many times did Derrick Henry carry the ball? Derrick Henry had 13 carries. They ran the ball 19 times for 124. Lamar Jackson threw the ball 33 times for 207 yards. Now we go back and look Cleveland. What was the ratio? But y'all don't wanna be at y'all. But see when we try to tell you your recipe

to make a great dish that everybody in Baltimore and Maryland and surrounding counties gonna love, we hate, but y'all keep doing it this way. But anyway, let me finish this on Joe. The reigning MVP is now one in four against the Steelers after completing just 48% of his passes 16 to 33, which does not include a desperation toss on a failed two point conversion. Justin Tucker missed two field goals. He missed field goals

from 47 and 50 yards in the first quarter, which marked the first time since 2022 that he's failed to convert on back to back attempts. Tucker has now missed six field goals this season. Last season, he only missed five. Tucker said the playing surface wasn't ideal. Tucker, how many years have you kicked in Pittsburgh? Name this time of year that the Steelers playing surface is ideal.

What we've seen from Tuck is that he's no longer automatic, Ocho. Kicks from 55 and in, they were money. Automatic. He could kick on the moon, he could kick in Pittsburgh, he could kick in Denver, it did not matter. But now, that's no longer the case. Cause now, what was, if the game was closed

and you put it on the foot of Tuck, Tuck was gonna handle it. What did they do first game? They played, who did the Ravens play? The 49ers? Open the night? No, the Ravens played the Kansas City. Give me y'all to start.

Let's see what the run ratio, the pass ratio. Cause they've lost, how many games have the Ravens played the Kansas City. Give me the other start. Let's see what the run ratio, the pass ratio. Cause they've lost, how many games have the Ravens lost? Four now, right? They've lost four. Let's see the ratio run pass. We know they lost when they passed the Baltimore against Cleveland and the Pittsburgh. Let's see the other two losses,

if the run ratio, what it was. Right, right, right, right. But we're trying to find out, because I want to speculate. Let's get this right, because you know, Ocho, they want us to be perfect. So let's make sure we're perfect, because somebody go say,

okay, Ocho, they did blah, blah, blah. So we're going to make sure we got it right. Let's see what the ratio is. Hey, you do know if Tuck makes one of those field goals, the Ravens win the game, right? Well, if that's to say, if Steelers cash one of those red field goals, the Ravens win the game. Well, if that's to say, if Steelers catch one of those red zone positions,

you know they win the game, right? So, to be doing hypotheticals, one team kicks six field goals from the red zone. Yeah. Six field goals. Exactly. The Steelers win the game without scoring a touchdown. Yes.

In real life, this ain't no video game defense boy they know they were playing running plays they had 72 so that means 74 so that means the other 40 was throwing okay so they threw it more against Kansas City then they ran it right they lost they threw it more against Kansas City, then they ran it, they lost. They threw it more against the Steelers, then they ran it, and they lost. They threw it more against Cleveland, and they lost. What did they do against the Raiders? They lost against the Raiders also. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker.

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