Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bengals best Cowboys, Cordae joins Nightcap, Eagles beefing

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase and the Cincinnati Bengals getting their 5th win of the season after beating Cooper Rush, CeeDee Lamb and the Dallas Cowboys on Monday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho are joined by rapper and singer-songwriter Cordae to discuss the musician’s new album “The Crossroads”, Philadelphia Eagles DE Brandon Graham confirming that QB Jalen Hurts and WR AJ Brown are beefing and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro05:10 - Bengals v Cowboys37:00 - Cordae joins54:30 - Hurts and Brown relationship strained1:03:14 - Deebo struggling(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on sale now the link is pinned at the top of the chat February 6 in New Orleans be there you don't want to miss it oh Joe yo hey hey hey hold on hold on hold on hold on let me have my moment let me have my. If your team didn't win tonight, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. Huh? You hear what I'm talking about? My team was on the buy. Does that count? Listen, we did that in Jerry's world. I wonder how Jerry's feeling tonight. I wonder how Jerry's feeling tonight. Huh? What'd you just do? Bro!

Do me a favor real quick. One of the teams that nobody wants to see if we get into the playoffs is us Did you see how defense played tonight? We played a little battle. We played a little bit Hello, did you did you see the best? Did you see the best receiving for all the night too? Chase went off. Yeah, his name is jamar chase. He has the moniker called 7 11 You know why you got them? I can call 7 11 Because he's always open. And every time he touched the ball, you got to hold your breath like this. Huh.

Cause he might take it to the house. How many games you want to date? How many games have you won to date? One. No, how many games did the Bengals won to date? Oh, y'all won all the five. Oh, we, I listen, we won all the five. So some people in the chat, you might be laughing at five, not really

under understanding the significance of what five really means. If you're Christian in the chat, five, the definite five in Christianity is grace, okay? Let me tell you else what starts with five that's really good. The Jackson five, huh? What about five guys?

That's good too. Remember in high school? Remember you was at Savannah State you had five girlfriends you remember that huh? I just had one. No I don't remember. Oh yeah okay yeah you told me that story. I tell you what how about this here. I got one more thing what about what about a high school athlete he might be five star. Yeah yeah. You bragged about beating the Cowboys at Jerry Will. Who that? Who that? All you did, all you did, did was, hey, you from out of town. Yeah. You took, you took the local freak and made it your girlfriend. That's all you did.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You beat the Cowboys. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's with the disrespect? You beat the Cowboys. Hold on. You make a scene like y'all be. Did your team play tonight? No. Did your team win the last game they played? Yes. Remember we beat the Browns? Okay. Oh, we hooping and hollering about beating the Browns?

Is that what we doing? Are we hooping and hollering about beating the Browns? That's all I'm asking. That's all I'm asking you. You tell me. What's our record, okay? Wait, stay with me now. You telling me I can't hoop and holler about beating the Cowboys in Jerry's World, which is America's

team, but you happy about being the Browns? They only won one game. Who won one game? The Cowboys have only one game in Jerry's World. They lose by an average of 18 points a game. They lose by an average of 18 points a game, but they dominate the headlines in the media outlets. We ain't talking about the headlines, we talking about the a game, but they dominate the headlines in the media outlets We're talking about the football field what they dominate we talk about a football fit. I'm telling you who we beat

I'm telling you who we beat who they who they who they think they're gonna beat them bangles who they who they They finally don't want a game. They finally don't want a game. They finally, they finally, they finally don't want a game. They finally, they finally, they finally don't want a game. Ever since you said, y'all, man, hey, Joey said we bout to go wild. We bout to win eight of our next nine. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Because it's an opportunity. We run the table now. You do know on the schedule we do have your Broncos, right? Now y an opportunity. We run the table now. You do know on the schedule. We do have your Broncos, right? Now y'all gonna run the table you do realize we got the Broncos on the schedule, right? Yes. Okay, who gonna stop Jamar Chase? Sir Tan. Who? PF2 Hey, let me tell you something. When Uno got... One versus two? You know the PS2 came out... You know when the PS2 came out?

I don't. Okay. But it's still... It's outdated. It's outdated. No, it ain't. Let me see how many PS2s they done sold today. I think it's the most popular gaming console. Is it or is it not, Oh Joe? It's not it's definitely not Okay, the most popular game console is the PS 5 Unfortunately, just I just want to let you know that

P F Y I S 2. Hey, don't don't don't make nothing up either Patrick certain is my dude. That's my guy. Obviously. I remember the battles with his dad, you know back back back in my day You know when pastor Tain was with the cheese when he my guy. Obviously, I remember the battles with his dad, you know, back, back, back in my day. You know, when Pastor Tane was with the Chiefs, when he's with the Dolphins, we had some good battles. But I'm telling you, what's gonna happen when Jamar Chase has to see- You just- Hey, enjoy this victory, Joe. Enjoy this victory. Why you worried about what we got? Wait a minute. What are we doing? What are we doing? Let's not disrespect my bangles tonight. This is-

I'm saying enjoy the victory. Okay. Hey, say who they real quick for me. Just say who they one time, just one time. Say who they. They finally. The Bingo beat the Cowboys 27-20. The Bingo's improved to five and eight. The Cowboys fall to five and seven.

The Cowboys blocked the punt, but since he got the ball back after, look, I did not get the pronunciation of young man's name but I'm gonna say A-O. Why did he touch the ball? I'm just curious. Why did he try to touch the ball? He tried to pick it, tried to be a he- because what happened? You remember when they all side kicked it in Washington and what did the guy do Ocho? Instead of falling on it, what did he do, Ocho? He picked it up and ran it back for a touchdown.

So now we got guys wanting to be a hero. You see what happens? Now see, everybody was applauding. He ran it back. You accepted something in a win, you never would in a loss. Boom, boom. I'm prophetic.

Now, everybody knows if you're on special teams, if you block a punt, and to block a punt, a field goal or a PAT. Yes, sir. If the PAT doesn't matter, but a field goal and a field goal and a punt. If the ball is behind the line of scrimmage,

you can pick it up. Because even if you don't get it, the ball did not go past the line of scrimmage. Once the ball goes past the line of scrimmage and your ass touch it, that is considered a fumble. That is a change of possession. The ball belongs to the team that recovers it. You can see John Fossil, his dad was my offensive coordinator. He used to be the ball boy with me when I was in Denver. So I know John Fossil since he's probably 10. You see him on his getaway, getaway. I'm going to be a hero because I remember the guy in Washington, he got him a touchdown

on a scoop and score on an onside kick. That's my turn. Now look at him. Listen, and there are really no excuses, especially in that situation because- You'll get the ball right there. Oh yeah, in meetings you go over that situation. You go over all possible scenarios to make sure something like that doesn't happen. So there's really no excuse outside of having a lapse of a lapse of judgment.

Hero. Lapse of judgment in a very important situation. And honestly, it might have cost, actually, hell, it did. It cost them a game. It cost them a game. It did. Matter of fact, our defense was playing so well to me, even if they did get the ball in that scenario

I think defense would have stopped them and we'd have went down to score it anyway and the Bengals going with tonight No matter what because the football gods the football guys were on our side tonight Not only with the football gods on our side tonight We got some breaks that we haven't gotten all year and it's about your time You see Joe foam of the ball and your lineman with Johnny on the spot. Yeah Whoo, I said, oh, you're about to cry again. Hey You see Joe come with the ball and your lineman with Johnny on the spot? Yeah. Woo! I said, oh lord, I'm about to cry again. Hey, listen.

Listen, I said it. I tweeted it out. If we had lost this game tonight, as emotional as I was last time we did the show and the Bangles lost, I wouldn't have been able to take that. I wouldn't have been able to take that kind of heartbreak two weeks in a row. I just can't. I know I wouldn't have been able to do the show. I mean, you have you could have fined me, you could have suspended me, but I just just you would have to give me some type of grace and not have to go through that emotional

roller coaster yet again if we were to lose. I can't take that. Like it's been a bad it's been a bad month of me. It's been a bad two months for me. The bangles losing you know amongst other things and I just I just can't seem to get it right but the now when uh when uh yeah see you can't even do it right comfort uh when Joe when Joe threw that flat route yeah I tweeted I like that's incomplete. Yeah. Never game, never game. Oh, now see, normally when I tweet some of your, all the trolls, they like to say Captain Obvious.

Yeah, they own, they own. Now, oh, you a liar, you just, you hate the cowboy. You hate, bro, I'm just going by the letter of the law to rule. Yeah. He bobbled it, and he never really got full control of it. Full control, yeah. He didn't make a move, Yeah, you have to turn up.

Doing this is not a football move because he didn't take a step. All I did was tell you what was gonna happen. Matter of fact, I got a question for you real quick. For those in the chat, don't understand what a football rule is. Once you have control of the ball, how many steps is it considered a football rule

before a pass is incomplete? Or if you get a peanut punch, it's considered a fumble. How many steps is it considered a football rule before a move incomplete or if you if you get if you get a peanut punch it's considered a fumble how many steps it varies to the officiating crew some people say two some people say three some people let you get down one right but I don't think he made a football move because all he tried off because he bobbled it right and by the time he secured it and turned he didn't take a step he just turned yeah already knew what it was going to be because if you understand the rules, maybe if he had taken a step, okay, maybe you can say, well, damn, but because he was bottling it, Ocho and put it in a world,

I said, okay, yeah, it is what it is. But Michael was beside himself on the sidelines and then he walked off the field early. He was hurting, boy. He was hurting. He was hurting, rightfully so, because defensively, despite what they looked like the entirety of the season, the last two weeks, they played some good football. Defensively, they played some good football.

Now I'm saying it obviously can be better, but it was abysmal all goddamn season, which is why they've been in the situation. It still was. Hold on, hold on, let me why they've been in the city. It still was. Hold on. Hold on. Let me get something. Let me pull this up for you. Yeah.

Uh, the Bengals had 433 yards. You got that right. We did. We, we have the MVP. We have the MVP right now. We have the NFL's MVP right now. And the fact that he's not in, he's not in the conversation is simply because of our record.

That's all. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just letting you know. He's the MVP Well, how many how many times can we say that about Matt Stafford when he was in Detroit? We are in 2024 I'm not knocking down What's your win-loss record who

You just about who they yeah who they who they? That's us. That's us. Exactly. You mad? Look, I thought Chase had a little trouble tracking the ball tonight. He let one hit him in his head. Yeah. On the fave ball. That's the lights. That's the lights. The sun. That was the sun. It was the sun. I don't know about the sun, Ocho. It was really pretty late at night. I think it was the lights though.

It's tough catching the ball at night. People don't understand because you've never been in the stadium with those lights. But it's easy to lose the ball and the lights. And so he had another one, excuse me, that went through his hands. And you could tell that he had a problem picking it up because the ball beat him up. Plus he normally gets it before. And he had it right here, here like he couldn't see it like one of the things that I do Hey, uncle is obviously when you're running around the ball is coming and your eyes happen to I hate Your eye the lights catch your eyes and then when the lights catch eyes the ball it get right up for you like that Yeah, before you can react before you can react boom it's already in your hands and either you drop it Or you go you bobble it because if you can't catch off the quarter react, boom, it's already in your hands and either you drop it or you, or you, or you bobble it.

Because if you can't catch off the quarterback's hand and see it in all the way after he leaves his hands, it messes you up real, real bad. Did you wear eye black? Cause I wore eye black. Well, I'm already black, so I don't really need no eye black. I need to add nothing on to what I already got. But now I, I, I, I didn't, I didn't. I need a little bit more, but I did.

I, uh, some people would like the, the stickers. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I, no, I did. I did that. I did a little bit more, but I did, some people would like the stickers. Right. Yeah, yeah, I need that paint. You think that really did something? You think that really worked though? Well, I had a problem early in my career, and I did it, well, I first started doing it because I thought it looked cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they say, I said, man, what's that for? They say, man, it helps with the glare. And then I ended up losing the ball in the light, but I was on special teams that lost the ball in the light and the ball went in the end zone. And so from that point on, I put it on the next game and I wore it ever since.

But I definitely think it helped, but then again, it was in my mind that it helped. So that's all that matters. It didn't matter if it helped or not. I thought it did. But look, the Cowboys are what they are They really got wonders they really got one receiver a CD cooks had a couple catches I'm not sure what Thor. I'm not sure what the guy was doing

He run a shallow cross the guys trailing. There's nobody outside and he pulls up. Yeah, I'm like why would you pull up? There's nobody out and he pulls up yeah I'm like why would you pull up there's nobody out there right somebody has to be following you if you see the outro everybody knows if you're running a shallow crawl yeah and there's nobody out there you gotta be man if you give you if there's green grass in front of you rule of thumb you keep going you keep going if it's somebody out there you pull up yeah listen if it zone, you got to see that at the snap of the ball. You already know what time it is.

Yes. You see that right at the snap. Look at your keys, use your eyes, get to your spot, and sit your black ass down. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters

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hey, everybody else playing man, they gonna play you zone? That's not you bro. You're not Jerry, you're not Randy. They ain't playing no, they ain't playing, they playing man everywhere else that's only you are.

That ain't how it works. And so, and Mike McCarthy lost his mind on that. Like, what are we doing? I asked the same question, Mike, what are you doing? I thought they did a great job of trying to pressure Joe, but that's the problem that you run into. Because if you pressure and he gets the ball out, now you got Chase one-on-one.

And you don't want them problems. There ain't nobody on that secondary that wanted those problems with chase right and that's what happens when you miss him mm-hmm yeah he spins up out of it Ocho is to the house you know you know it's funny and you say there's nobody in that secondary there's nobody in NFL in general right I want some problems with uno you hear me no the top receivers you go catch hell no matter who you are Playing that guy 101. Oh, it's too much space Absolutely, especially because he can run shout. He can run shallow. He can run speed out here on a dig

You run a pose. You run a goal. You're on a shake. It's too many options. It's too many options Too many options because guess what he'll do. He'll start you on the shallow cross He'll start you on the shallow crawl. Put on the brakes. And bring you on back. And we'll ride back out. Yeah. Because you're going to get over the top because you know he's trying to get to a point. So you're going to try to race him over the top.

He slam on brakes. It's a wrap. And we'll ride back out. Now you're really in deep water. And you're way out of position. You're way out of position. But look, now all this false prophets, false hope the Cowboys had, we going somewhere, what you think?

Y'all still them boys? Where y'all going? Hold on, they thought they were going somewhere outside of- Yeah, they thought that. They thought that. Hold on, outside of- We gon' keep fighting. We gon'- Hey, you know Jerry, we not out of this thing, you out of it. Whoa.

You been out of it. Who said that? Jerry said they went out of- Jerry? Yeah, yeah, they was out of it. But he said that recently? Mm-hmm. I ain't even finna say nothing. I ain't even say nothing ain't nothing to be said cuz I'm for now I'm for the basket our glory cuz we wanted oh yeah what's understood don't need to be singing you right that's why I ain't gonna say nothing no more about my bangles hmm but

and Jamar chase 14 catches 177 two scores. Chase is the first receiver to have 10 catches a buck 75 two touchdowns and two games since Jamar chase did it in week 10 against the Ravens. Guess what he's also the first receiver to do it since Jamar chase did it week five against the Ravens. That boy good. Yeah, he's gonna be a unanimous first team All-Pro. Yeah. And rightfully so.

Oh, definitely. Jeddah looks like he's gonna be the other receiver that's gonna be a first team All-Pro. Yeah, they. He's not gonna be unanimous like Chase is, but Chase has a chance to win the Triple Crown. Yeah, a chance to win the Triple Crown. There's only four or five weeks left.

He's going to win the Triple Crown. Nothing is going to stop Jamar Chase. Nothing going to stop Joe Burrow. They might as well get whatever award it is that Chase is supposed to get as far as when it comes to winning that Triple Crown. They might as well ship it on to Cincinnati right now. They might as well ship it on over there right now. And that's not all.

Not only is he going to win the Triple Crown, we do have the MVP at the quarterback position. Many people aren't going to give him credit because our record doesn't. You're not going to get no MVP. Right. Let me finish. Do me a favor. Don't interrupt me. Next time you want to talk, raise your hand. I'm calling you. OK. But anyway, like I was saying, Joe Burrow should be the unanimous MVP.

But due to our record this season, he's not going to be in the talk. He's not going to be in consideration. Josh Allen, kudos. Kudos to him. Kudos to Lamar Jackson as well. But if we happen to go on a run and for some reason slither into the playoffs in some kind of fashion by way of God, we are a team that nobody's gonna want to see offensively. Now I can't speak for the defense, but I'm saying if we got to score 53, we're gonna score 53. If we got to score 45. But y'all gonna give up 55. We can score 45. But y'all gonna give up 55. Listen

that's need to hear no there. We are a team that nobody wants to see. And y'all don't want to see nobody. No I don't nobody want to see us especially offensively. That's the focal point Oh Joe, but you gotta bring your broke Oh Joe, but you gotta bring your entire team Right and I'm leave your defense at home I understand that but I can only I can only do my job, huh? That's some Bill Belichick always said to do do your job My job is to focus on offense my job is to score 40 to 55 points and get are you a team or not? Huh? Are you a team?

What? Are you a team? Is it the Cincinnati Bengals or the Cincinnati offense, the Cincinnati defense, the Cincinnati special team? I just need to know which are you? Hey, it is a team. Can I say something before we finish? It is a team, huh? It's a team, right? But that team is broken down in the three phases. Offense, defense, and special teams. Now, each three of those phases has to do their job

in order for you to get a W. You know W's, the like James Winston. Y'all ain't eatin' none. Y'all hungry. Oh we ate something. That's it. This the first time y'all ate? Three weeks?

Hey. But let me ask you a question. When the playoff starts, which one of the bingles are gonna be in the playoff? The offense, the defense or the special team? The whole team, the team in general. Y'all will be home, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. Listen, they're the chance.

Hey, can you ask Ash to give her what percentage the chance is of us making it to the playoffs still to this point? Uh, an 80-year-old getting pregnant. There's a chance. Right. Come on, there's a percentage. Now the percentage ain't that low. There's a percentage an 80-year-olds can get pregnant.

How old was Barry when she conceived Jesus? 83. 83. There is a chance. Right. They put man on the moon. Yeah. Yeah.

Chance. I feel. You ain't gonna put no money down on it though. Who? Ocho. Me? How much I owe you right now? Three bands. Okay. How about this when we play the bank when we play the Broncos? I ain't bet nothing you

Let's bring down a notch and let's respect the winner. Let's respect the winner's circle tonight. That's me. That's me. Let's respect the winner's circle tonight. Now. You owe me $3,000, how are you the winner? I'm giving you the opportunity to double your money.

So when we play the Pocos, let's double it nothing that $3,000 I owe you. I don't like doubling my money. I like to just take my money. I got something in mind. What you trying? I want to buy somebody. What you trying to? It just so happens to cost three thousand.

The gift I want to get cost exactly three thousand dollars. I said, you hold on. I said, sir, can you hold this for me? I'll be right back in like two weeks. So I got to go in there by this week. Oh, Joey, get it. Hey, hold on. Tell me, tell me, tell me what you what you been to get. What you been to get? What is it? Just give me just give me the Bengals. Yeah, have less than a 2% chance to make the playoffs.

2% less than less than 2%. Yes, actually, it's 1.9. One point. You know, that's not that bad. You know what? That's not that bad. I'm going to just say 2%. Because I bet if you ask the chat, right, when they go to Whole Foods, I bet some of them, they get 2% milk. I bet sometimes when you get a latte,

you go to Starbucks and they ask you what kind of milk you want. Sometimes people say, you know what, I want 2% milk. There is a significance. If you're an actor, you know, sometimes the agent, the agent fee, sometimes the agent fee is 2%. No, it ain't. It's 10%, 15%, 20% in Hollywood.

You ain't getting nowhere with no 2%. OK, listen, I'm just trying to throw that context. I didn't need you to correct me. OK, my bad, my bad, my bad. OK. But they got a milk chance. Yeah. 2%.

Yes. Since I put it in terms that you will understand you like milk. Right, right, right. They got a milk chance, 2%. The question is for you, is Burrow and Chase the best quarterback wide receiver combo? Absolutely. Now there are a few people that would like to argue as far as duos are concerned,

but a duo that is doing what they've done at such an early stage, as soon as they started, they hit the ground running right away. Obviously because of the continuity that they already had and the chemistry that they had already built and that LSU together, it made the transition into the NFL being on the same team that much easier. It made that much easier. Which is why, which is one of the few reasons why the chemistry, it looks the way it does. Okay.

When you, when you watch Joe Burrow and you watch Jamarte's work, that ain't nothing but Prince and Apollonia. Okay. That ain't nothing but Mark Anthony and JLo. Okay. You, you, You stand with me? That ain't nothing but Prince Hakeem and the lady, the daughter from McDowell's. I don't remember the daughter name in the movie,

but what was her name? Yeah. But you get where I'm going. You get where I'm going. It's just a match made in heaven. It's just a match made in heaven. Like when you meet somebody new, one of the key things,

one of the key things and the only key things that matters is the chemistry and whether you're compatible. Okay, and when you're compatible, your Wi-Fi, the connection is perfect. And Joe Burrow and goddamn Jamar Chase Wi-Fi is on point. Yeah, you, Chase has. I don't have any other references or analogies that I can think of to give people a better understanding

on how great they are so early. Chase got 19, he got 93 catches Ocho. Yeah. 1300 yards and 15 touchdowns. Ooh, ay unh. Last year, he's already clear. He's seven catches behind last year's pace. He's already 100 yards clear of yet last year's pace.

He's already has eight touchdowns more than last year. Woo. And he has, and he has, their five and seven. What's their record? Hold on. and seven what's their record? Hold on. They're five and eight so they got four games to go. So there's an outside chance he could get to that 1,700 mark Ocho. Yeah absolutely absolutely. And he might he might get to that 20 that magical number that 20

touchdown mark. Yeah. Which only only a handful of guys have ever gotten there. Yeah. Jerry and Randy. Yeah. Not, not Jerry got 22, Randy got 23. Nobody else has, I mean, there've been a few 18. Yeah.

And nobody, there's only two guys that's ever gotten 20 receiving touchdowns in a season. Yeah. And you know, that young bull man is nice, man. Obviously even as early as it is, man, chases is the greatest banger receiver to, man, Chase is the greatest banger receiver to ever play. Chase is the greatest banger receiver to ever dawn them goddamn stripes. You hear me?

You know, some of the things that he's doing, they haven't been done before in that helmet, in that tiger. Ain't nobody never done nothing like that, man. You know? Mike Brown, you gonna be sorry you didn't sign that man early. Well, who you telling?

You hear me? You gonna have to pay double. You gonna have to you didn't sign that man early. Well, who you telling you hear me? You gonna have to pay double it's gonna hurt Oh, he's about to get 40 million 40 make it 42 and the And the two is the milk the two yeah, I said add that shit on to yo He's a chase got he. He said Jetta got 35, I want five more per year and I want an extra 20 more give me a guarantee. Yeah, don't even play with me. Don't even play because you tried me at the beginning of the season. I asked you, you made me sit out of training camp and you had plenty of opportunity. You had ample time to understand what you had at your disposal you know what you get in the long run you know what you get you got and got engaged your sample

side of three years okay I know I might have two more years on my deal but sometimes you just know but I got one more now come on with it huh come on with you know what to do and if you and if you pay him hold on if you want to play again do me a favor don't franchise tag me let me play one more and let me go show you I can get 60 some I'm not coming There ain't nothing you could do you told me you told me you gonna take care of me. Yeah after this one Yeah, I played it out. Yeah Now you won't see my black ass if you don't if you don't pay me my money this time around period And we ain't fit we even a play cuz we from the clock it and I know

I ain't talking about no Higgins about the bounce. Yeah, so go out there and try to play with what without without me and he gets yeah period Shit, so I'm going what tt but I do think you know tt tt tt gonna be in that cuz that's what I'm One thing about it he deserves money tt T deserve his money tt tt is played well, you know, barring injuries. He's had a few setbacks here and there, but he deserves that number one money. He gonna get it now. He gonna get it.

Hey, he just needs to finish the season healthy. Yeah. Oh yeah. But I tell you what Jamar Chase has done, he's played himself into offensive player of the year. Now, it's gonna end, look, Saquon is still ahead of the pace of Eric Dickinson, single season Russian.

Yes, sir. It's going to be hard for him to overtake that, especially because of the team that he's playing on, they haven't won enough game. Now it would be very interesting. Oh Joe, let's just say for the sake of argument, they had had nine wins at this present time. Yes, sir. So instead of being what five and eight, they would be five, they would nine,

nine and three or nine and four. Now we got a serious discussion. Yeah, we do. I just don't think he's won enough games, but he's definitely gonna get some consideration because he's a triple crown winner. And the last guy that won the triple crown, he was offensive player of the year,

that was Cooper Cupp. And matter of fact, I feel like Keith Lee right now. I feel like Keith Lee right now. That's why I got my hands sitting like this. So right now I'm gonna talk serious. I'm not even playing. Jamar Chase is the kind of player based on what he's done and based on what he's going to do.

He deserves Juan Soto kind of money. That's what I'm trying to say. Man, stop it. All right? You bet he, no. He is the greatest, hey, hey, the greatest banger receiver of all time, Jamar, Ethelio, Chase. He from Louisiana.

Okay. Look, Ocho. Yes, sir. He going to get, he going to get 160. Uh, what did you get? What did you get, uh, guaranteed? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We want 200.

We want, listen to me. I, this is, hey Papa Chase, Papa Chase I know you watching, Papa Chase I know you what matter of fact Jamar probably watching too. Oh they everybody be watching that if you're watching the show. I know y'all watching. Listen we ain't negotiating unless we getting 200. Matter of fact we want our shit guaranteed too. Okay we want 200. We want 200, right? Simply for the fact you just said 140. You just said 140, right? No, 160.

OK, all right. Let's say 160. Matter of fact, add another 40 million for the bullshit you pulled on us in training care. You're going to do a deal. So just make it 200. Make it guaranteed. Boom. Done deal. Matter of fact, four year 200.

There it is right there. Matter of fact, four year, 200. There it is right there. Matter of fact, by the time we get to 28, 29, you gonna come, we gonna see you again. We gonna see somebody else and we gonna hit your all-cars ahead one more time. It don't gotta be in Cincinnati, it could be somewhere else, but that's what it is. So Chase, Papa Chase, I done did the deal for us already.

So I already know the numbers on what we gonna get. Let's have at it. I don't need nothing, just about 1% 1% exact Taylor applause not just Joe Burrows physical presence not just the physical toughness but the mental toughness in the game because Zim does that to you yeah as tough as it gets he put you know look Zim heated him up you know the offensive line is banged up yeah first of all they're not that good to begin with. And they're banged up. So with that being said, you know Zemba's

going to bring the pressure. The problem is, when you bring pressure and you don't get there, that means Chase is one on one. That means he's one on one. Now, it's one thing to be in position. You got to get him on Ocho. You got to get him on the ground. You can't let him spin up out of that.

And he hard to tackle too, that's the problem. He hard to tackle. There's very few receivers out there with the ball in their hands. Not only are they hard to tackle, they know what to do when they get that ball in their hands, boy. Yes. And he's one of them ones, you know. Yeah, he is. I just can't receive him. But when he got the ball in his hands, he very slippery.

He's very, very slippery. What's up? Ocho, we got a special guest. Now it's time to introduce our special guest. His album, The Crossroads, is out now. The Crossroads Tour kicks off February 2025. Tickets are on sale now via his official site corday music dot com corday what it do What a long time no see oh, what'd it do y'all? Oh, what's up? Why would they do what?

Man, I can't complain. God is good both y'all fellas looking clean man. Look at clean right there I love y'all show by the way. I love it. You know, I appreciate that appreciate that. I pray I tell some Go ahead. Oh Joe. I'mna say I took me a little shower and I shaved my beard, cause I knew people was gonna be on here looking at me tonight, that's all. Oh, that's it, that's it. You know, I just got a haircut, man.

I ain't gonna lie, I been thugging it out. I been looking real messed up. Well, you know, I'm on nightcap tonight. Let me get a first cut. Let me get a retwist. I was on first take with no retwist. I was like, you know, this the last time I'm gonna do that. I ain't going on nightcap with no retwist.

Yeah, I appreciate that. Tell us a little bit about the album, Crossroads. What does this album entail? I feel like, honestly, this is my best body of work by far. I know when I, well, me and you sat down one on one, I was telling you how just like, I just want it... Honestly, my main theme with this album has just been push that pin.

Push that, push that pin. And I got great advice from Lil Wayne. He told me, he said, you gotta treat every song like it's people's first time hearing you. Like, I feel like when you gain a fan base and you gain success as an artist, your fan base, when you, I've been blessed to have a real deal core fan base,

but that can become a crutch, cause you in the studio, you're like, oh, my fans gonna love whatever the heck I put out. You know what I'm saying? They're gonna love this regardless. Versus if you approach every single song, like you're making the first impression. It's just inspired me just just to push that pin. And another saying is just like, don't leave nothing else to the judges.

Like I got Kanye West, Ye, I got Ye, you know what I'm saying? And Wayne twice on the album. So it's really blessed to have judges. Like, I got Kanye West, Ye, I got Ye, you know what I'm saying? And Wayne twice on the album, so it's really blessed to have them and Jordan Ward, Anderson Paak, everybody a part of this. So I'm glad it's out finally, man. Lord. What's your favorite song? What's your favorite song on the album? Hmm. My favorite song? It might be 06 Dreamin', just because it's so personal. It's a story about my mom. My mom, she used to make music and stuff back in the day, but she was never able to make it.

So what I ended up doing was I sampled one of her old songs and I sampled one of her old songs and basically told the story about how, like it's a story of irony, how my mom was chasing her dream. I'm sitting watching her. She tried out for like American Idol. She tried out for making the band, all of these things, but she wasn't able to like, you know, make it. And it's just funny how I didn't even realize that

until I was writing this song, how that might've and not might've, but that definitely instilled like something to me. Like, you know what, mama? Like, I got us. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, listen, the fact that you grew up in Maryland, right? You were surrounded by passionate fans. Obviously you had teams like the Ravens the Orioles University of Maryland the Terps how did the local sports culture? You know influence you as a kid and did they in any way shape your competitive drive and music? Yes, because you know PG County why wonder um where I'm from is you know, they call it basketball County, you know KD

Markelle force Michael Beasley, Delante West, so many people I'm forgetting just off the top of my brain right now. But so many dope... It killed my basketball dreams real early, first and foremost. Because you whooping against dogs every night. Dogs every night.

And I had a pup in me. I ain't gonna lie with you, I had a pup in me, man. And so it allowed me to really focus on making music full-time at an early age, because I know I ain't have a chance with hoops, man. So on that sport, but as far, I mean, Redskins, now the commander culture is crazy. Like I grew up watching the Santana Moss,

Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis, Sean Taylor, RIP. Watching you tear us up, you know what I'm saying? Watching UKS up, Ocho. And yeah, and even the Wizards, you know, like loved the John Wall Brad Bill era. So I say all that to say because unfortunately the sports team, you know, Wizards had some good years. We had a couple good years with the Skans. We having a great year with the Commanders.

But because those good years were so few and far between, it was real fans, like real deal fans. Like if you love the Commanders, you don't halfway like them, you love them. Same with the Wizards, you know. Right now, we in the rebuilding phase. We got Below doing his thing, we got Alexar, Jordan Poole hooping, you know. So it...

I guess growing up, more so of like that... Even football, we got Stefan Diggs. You know, the Diggs brothers, both from Maryland as well. Stefan, he hooped at Maryland at the turn as well. So, man, this is a real big, like, just sports coach out there, for sure, to start if I went on a tangy. Nah, you good, you good, you good, you good. Take your time. Kordae, who are some of a tangy. Nah, you good. You good. You good. Take your time.

Cordae, who are some of your inspirations? Obviously, you do what you do, but who are some of your inspirations when you were growing up and you're like, man, I really like the way they get down? Musically? Yes. Definitely, he's like, well, we wasn't talking about sports because we seen what happened. You had an expiration date. Musically, definitely Kanye West.

Okay. Definitely Lil Wayne. Definitely a lot of Nas, a lot of Jay-Z. You loved him heavyweight. You got him heavy here. I mean, they was unavoidable as a kid. You know what I'm saying? They were unavoidable.

And it was just greatness personified. You know what I'm saying? Like even having Wayne in my corner giving me like the gems that he's been giving me has been like a huge difference maker. Like with this album, again, the work ethic that I'm learning from him. And even, you know, back to the vice I said earlier of him telling me, just like push that pin. My whole thing is just push that pin, push that pin, because you got to treat everybody like it's their first time hearing you and your fans that already love you. When you've been acting, treating every song like nobody's ever heard of you, like they're

gonna be like this dude is the greatest ever and people who may not have heard of you are more likely to, you know, enjoy the music that you make. So yeah, definitely, that's my rush more as well right there for sure. Has parenthood changed how you approach music? I would say parenthood has changed my approach and scheduling in how I make music. And as a creative, with no kids, I'll be in the studio from like 7 p.m. to 8 a.m.

Next day, 5 p.m. to 5 a.m. The next day, 1 p.m. to 9, so it's like more of a flurry. But you know, when you have children, both of y'all have kids, right? I'm sure. Yes. Yeah, I got 50 of them, yeah. Oh, that's a blessing. Fertility is a blessing, my brother. That's why I put us on Earth. You feel me? But, yeah, so with me, it's like since I had my daughter, it's been more like I'm at the studio every day from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. I come home, play with her, put her to sleep, and then three days out the week,

I go back to the studio once she go to sleep from like 9 p.m. to 4 a.m. So I still try to get that 70 out. My goal is to like 70 hours a week in the studio. And again I usually do my nine hour days 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Three days out the week I go back to the studio and I take off on Sundays. Right. So I know I had a question right as a musician myself you know as a musician and a lyricist myself, I always think about your body work and your music and your lyrics. And I just wanted to ask you, your lyrics often contain a thoughtful mix of

introspection and social commentary. How do you balance being honest and vulnerable in your music while maintaining your sense of artistry and poetic flair. That's something I've always struggled with as an artist myself, which is why I haven't dropped yet. But go ahead. Yes sir, I understand that brother, I understand that. You just prepping it to make sure we ready to hear it.

You know what I'm saying? You gotta make sure we ready for it. Yes, yes. You know, somebody told me me this go don't get old You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes when it comes to good music no matter when you release it go It's one of my biggest songs. I released it two years after I recorded it that song triple platinum And so I say all that to say go don't get old but um To answer your question for me. Um

Social commentary, you know, sometimes in cancel culture, I'll be a little, I ain't gonna lie, I'll be a little scared to say how I feel like when it comes to like a tweet or something like that. But I've always been a writer and sometimes I can't express myself like through words and through, you know, tweets and things of that nature, but I've always found writing as a comfort for me since I was a kid, since I was 10 years old. I've been writing r a kid, since I was 10 years old. I've been writing raps every day since I was 10 years old, recording every day since I was 15. And so I say this to say I'm able to get out my, um,

my thoughtfulness and like, I guess my social commentary through my music and then also like get through some comedy, you know, through some music because it's funnier when you, if you can make a joke about society or something, but you put a bar, it makes it way funnier. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I think that's the creativeness of it is just like finding dope creative ways, entertaining ways that's relatable to everybody, but also like saying how you feel, you know, because artists, our job is to decorate time. The first hip-hop art, we're like the modern-day griots.

This is how you time, it's that we're the gatekeepers of time. And so with that responsibility of just like, just finding cool and creative in dope ways, and sometimes even like humorous ways to say how you feel, you know? Korty, give me your hip-hop Mount Rushmore. Hip-hop Mount Rushmore.

You gotta go Wayne. He got a lot of kids in the music business. Yep. You gotta go Wayne. Mount Rushmore 4, right? That's it. Okay, this is my personal. Before we say that, I know Ye. I got Hov. I got Nas. That's my four right there. That's four. That's some heavyweights. That's some heavyweights right there. And then Eminem and Kendrick, they on there too. We gotta make more mountains for them too, but that's... That's my my Rushmore right there. Wayne, Wayne, Ye, Nas, and O. Who haven't you collab with?

Give me your dream collab. Someone that you haven't been in studio with that like, man, I would love. It could be male or female. Someone you'd like to be your dream collab. Ocho. You know, you took the words right out my mouth, Ocho. You took the words right out my mouth. I ain't gonna lie, I'm glad you said it for me.

But since you said it for me, I'm gonna think of my second option. Yeah, okay. My second option. So my first is Ocho. My second, can we do Dead or Alive? I'm going to the grave. Yeah, sure. Okay, I'm going to the grave. I'm going to the grave and digging them sure. Okay, I'm going to the grave.

I'm going to the grave and digging them up. I'm going Marvin Gaye. I love Marvin Gaye. Wow. Ooh. Yeah, yeah. I like that. Is Al Green still alive?

I think he's still alive. Yes. He is. Okay, I don't know. I think so. Okay. I love some Al Green. I'm just going to the folks I sampled because it'll be cheaper than sampling them.

I'm not, you gotta sing this folks, you know, excuse me. Marvin Gaye, Al Green, and Mike. I don't know how me and Mike will combine. That's just the business side of me thinking, honestly. That's just all business thinking of Mike. And he's obviously one of the greatest of all time. But yeah, Al Green and Marvin Gaye, man. Oh, you know, Barbara Mason.

Now I'm going Barbara Mason all day. Wow. Do you believe Marvin Gaye is the greatest R&B singer of all time? He from Maryland. I got to say, he from Maryland too, DC. Just point that out there. Matter of fact, you know what? Before you answer that, right?

And you think about that answer about Marvin Gaye being the greatest R&B singer of all time. Okay. I will say this, for those of you in the chat that have probably never seen it, Marvin Gaye sang the greatest Star Spangled Banner at the 1984 NBA All-Star Game. I've never ever

Star Spangled Banner saying in that manner in that type of tone Unbelievable, I'm not sure if you saw a court eight, but you did you did. Oh man. I got to that my got that beat Though I ain't gonna laugh. Forgive me. Oh Joe think so. Yes Whitney at the Super Bowl Whitney killed that that thing. Right, she did. She did. And recently, I just seen Jasmine Sullivan do it at the MLB. I ain't gonna lie to you, I don't watch too much MLB. But I seen that clip.

I do love the Nationals, you know what I'm saying? It's casual, super casual. So gotta add the super casual. Jasmine Sullivan killed that thing, man. She did it. Anytime I hear the name Jasmine Sullivan, it always resonates with me, with a young lady breaking up with me a long time ago

when Jasmine Sullivan made the song. I was hoping the lady, you know, when you don't wanna be with somebody anymore, give them grace by letting them, you talk to them in their face, sometimes via text if you're shy, but she left me a voicemail Hmm That's all voicemail playing Jasmine Sullivan's in love with another man

Let me know she wanted to leave me for somebody else now. Oh, you know Yeah, now I would just share back then Yeah, I would just share back then. Oh, yeah. I was just Chad back then. I ain't really had nothing going on for myself. So I kind of understood, you know, it was someone else that could offer her more at the time. Yeah, I never forget that. Yeah. You know what's funny? That happened to me right before I got on too, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie.

Somebody left you? Yeah, right before I got on. I ain't gonna lie. But this whole... I won't even say left. Did you spin the block? Did you spin the block? But the block was closed the block was closed by then Street signs the block No, no this block was closed for real Yeah I guess we all been through it man. We all been through it. Yeah, I get happy looking at her Instagram

knowing mm, mm, mm, like man. Dodge it. Dodge it. Dodge it. That is Cordae, he has a new album that's dropping. It's called Crossroads. It's out now, Crossroads. His tour kicks off in February.

Tickets are on sale now as his official site Cordae music calm cord a man. Thank you for joining us man. Continue success, bro Enjoy the sit down as always you're welcome to be a guest on nightcap anytime you see fit, bro. Thank you Appreciate y'all. I'm gonna take you up on that too. I would like the highlight too, you know Um, I was part of club Shayshae before Kat Williams. I had my membership before Kat Williams. I just got to put that on there. It was already super lit.

It was already in the mood. I just like to put it, I was an early member of Club Shayshae. My car's still good. Absolutely. Yes sir. All right, Ocho. Appreciate that.

Yes sir, appreciate your love. Congratulations on the young one. Yes sir. Continue success, my brother. Oh, thank you. I received that. Appreciate you as well the young one. Yes, sir. Continue success, my brother. Oh, thank y'all. I appreciate you as well, Ocho. Thank y'all for having me. Honored to be here.

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I'm just being honest, he knows this. I don't know how the whole story, but I know that Hurts is trying and Brown could be a little better with how he responds to things They're friends before but things have changed Graham later apologized said I made a mistake. I didn't add I didn't add to it in good light. So that's my bad. I think See, here's the thing. Yes, sir. When you say when they asked AJ Brown We need what do you need to improve in passing? Who's the only one that can throw the ball?

Oh, Joe. Yeah. The quarterback, the quarterback, Jayler Hurst. So how, how, how is the media? How's everybody going to take that? Well, that's not how he made it. Yeah. If somebody, if they ask Carson, uh, what can we do better? Uh, route running and getting open. Who are you talking about?

Yeah. He, he talked about me. So it, but that's not how he meant it. Right. Right. But listen, we all know what he meant. I, we, we understand his frustration. We understand his gripes.

All right. Hey, uh, matter of fact, a, uh, you know, right. Yeah. Uh, F is one. I'll tell you if any of you in the chat that have followed him, uh, I'll show right? Yeah, uh, F is one. I'll tell you Listen if any of you in the chat that have followed him I don't know if you've had an opportunity to see it and Sean he showed a description of plays a description to play Yeah And these are bang bang plays that are just basic fundamentals of the game of football

Having anticipatory skills as a quarterback at the quarterback position being able to get your number one your number one player to target based On what you see what your pre read is as a quarterback and I listen it was five or six plays where one two three boom get the ball out and let it go you know it's like in that specific game that we talk about where I could understand where the frustrations come from with AJ Brown I'm like well okay now I see it now I see it now I understand but you don't do it the way you did it, not with the media. That's something you go to your quarterback. You go to your quarterback, you tell him, you put it aside.

I need you to do me a small favor. AJ Brown, if you see this, I need you to do me a small favor. Young Bull, when we come to the line of scrimmage and you see a certain cover and you see that receiver off, if you see him press at any point and you see that safety and the safety is in the middle of the field or he's not sure or he's shaded just a little bit to the ass and I know I can beat him over top I need you to give me a chance I need you to give me a chance please I need to

pull him aside had that conversation but don't do it this way because now all eyes on Jalen Hurts now all eyes in the pressure, why you're winning, you're winning. Let me add that. Your team is winning. That's the key. And it comes, and it's gonna come off. Comes off as being selfish. Comes off as being selfish.

It's gonna be a little, you know. And I don't think, I don't think he's selfish. Oh hell no, but he doesn't. I think he's a competitor. He wants to contribute. I think he realizes that in order for us to get to where we need to be I'm gonna have to catch more than three four balls. Yeah, Devontae's gonna have to catch more than three balls

Yeah, but like you said, uh, so maybe Jaylen just didn't see the field yesterday Maybe that happens sometimes little choke. We don't see the ball well Hey, we Bobble we Bobble some stuff and we don't catch it clean like we want to right, but it's Jalen has a tough job I'm not trying to excuse it. But I just believe I just believe in a situation like that the way can be handled. I'm a Check this out. Oh Joe. Yeah, Donovan McNabb way to AJ Brown potential frustration with Jalen hurts. It's two grown men. If you got an issue you come to me potential frustration with Jalen Hurts. It's two grown men. If you got an issue, you come to me.

Let's not go through the media because now it blows up and now what you said is out there in front of everybody. Then T.O. responded. Now this is interesting, coming from you. Now, not how I interpret it, but it's funny thing is, I agree with you on the idea of it. If you have an issue with someone, that you go to them, not the media.

But here's the thing. I never have an issue with someone that you go to them, not the media. But here's the thing. I never had an issue with you, but it's known that you had an issue with me. So maybe you should have taken your own advice here. Oh yeah. And we might've wanted to sue both 39, but that's another story for another day. Just my two cents. Number 317. You talk about the jacket.

You gave yours. I'm giving mine. two cents number 317. You talk about the jacket. You gave yours, I'm giving mine. Lord help me. I like that. Hey them boys still going through it. But you know what they, hey, hey, hey, TOTO and God damn McNabb, they're gonna be like Claude and,

they're gonna be like Claude and Ray. Nah, they gonna be the Hatfields and the McCoys. I like it. They ain't Claude and Ray. Cause Claude and Ray was best friends. They argued a lot, but they was absolutely best friends. I like that. They Claudia Ray was their friend. They argued a lot, but they was absolutely best friends. They had been done. I like it.

Tio has a point too. Tio has a point. Obviously, I don't know the intricate details of the situation back then. I heard bits and pieces of it. Obviously, Tio and I have talked in depth during that time. Yes. You know, obviously in the offseason about what happened. I can't remember the date. Obviously, it's been a while since then.. You know, obviously in the off season about what happened, I can't remember

at the date, obviously it's been, it's been a while since then, but, you know, it's, listen, you got to keep it in the house the best, the best way you can. I understand AJ Brown's frustration as a competitor. That's the one that wants to be a part of the game. Let me, you know how it is when you don't touch that ball. You know how it is. Yeah. Can I ask you something?

Did you watch the Bengals game, right? You watched the Bengals game tonight, right? Yeah. The first play of the game from the Bengals. Yeah. They get something. Did you watch the Bengals game, right? You watched the Bengals game tonight, right? Yeah. The first play of the game from the Bengals. Yeah, you gotta get the ball to your playmaker. What's the first play they ran? Mm-hmm, get a chase. Let him touch the ball.

Boom. If you give it to him early, you have him late. You have him late. You ain't got nothing to worry about. Something simple. It ain't worth nothing, but a little screen route, a little smoke route. You good.

He just needs the ball in his hand. Bingo. That's it. They don't get it together though. Cause they win it right now. They wouldn't have right. They, they win it right now. Number 26, he's taking some of the pressure off Jaylen Hurts.

He's taking some pressure off Jaylen Hurts where he doesn't have to do so much at the quarterback position. And when the time comes and they need number 11 and they need number six, they gonna be there. They gonna be there. But it's hard for Jalen too, Ocho. When you don't get in a rhythm throwing the ball and then all of a sudden in the third quarter, the fourth quarter late in the ball game,

you asking me to go make plays, I haven't gotten into a rhythm. Quarterbacks need to get into rhythm also. That's why they give them things early. I'm gonna give you a stomp route. I'm gonna give you a out. I'm gonna they give them things early. I'm gonna give you a stop route I'm gonna give you an out. I'm gonna give you a slant. I'm gonna give you something easy I'm not throwing to go to first play of the game, Ocho But I'm gonna work my way into it work my way into the rhythm

And so therefore as the game goes on I feel good about the other calls and the throws the potential I'm gonna have to make But they're gonna have to figure this thing out. You're not gonna win. I don't believe that the Eagles can go to where they wanna go to with Jalen Hurst throwing the ball 19 times. I don't have it 120 yards, 130 yards. That ain't gonna happen with those two.

That's when you play against the better teams. Especially when you play against the better teams. When you play against the better teams, the play calling has to change. The play calling has to change because some of the yardage that you're going to need, some of the drives that you're going to need, those huge chunk plays are going to come in handy. You're not going to be able to play the goddamn field, 90 yards every goddamn time.

Saquon is not going to be able to hit his head off the goal post when you play against better defenses all the goddamn time. You know, it's different. Sometimes your quarterback has to play the outplay the opposing team's quarterback. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. He throw for 315. You need to throw for 330.

I know I need to, I need to ask. I know, I don't know if Ash can hear me. Ash, if you can hear me, can you do me a favor? And on, on Emmanuel Ocho's page, can you sin-onk that video of the few plays? Yeah, yeah. It's very interesting. It's all 22. It's all 22 so you can see clear as day, like how are you missing these throws?

Like how are you missing it? And just from pre-snap alone, the ball right there. So I'm looking at almost 50 yards, 50 yards added on to what he already had in the game. You know, I think he had 34 or 43, whatever it might've been. But he had a hundred yard game based on those simple plays that I saw with the ball. The ball had to do, get the ball in the hands and get it out. So I kind of understood the frustration and AJ Brown after seeing that breakdown from Ocho. I'm like, God damn, I know it was that bad. No, as a player, as a player

who played the game, I get it, but you can't do it that way. That's not the way you go about it, especially not through the media. You know, the media messy. The media is like going to the blogs. Yeah, you know, the media is like going to the blogs. You know, now everybody needs to... Yep. All over your business. The 49ers had a big win on Sunday, Ocho against the Bears, but Debo Samuel did not have a big game. Debo was held a two catcher for 22 yards and a big win against the Bears, continuing his

disappointing season in which he's averaging career lows and catches per game, yards per game. But Debo took to social media today and say nothing is wrong. Not struggling at all. Just not getting the ball. Debo quickly added another post. He's not entering the way criticizing his teammates. Just cause I voiced my opinion. Um, I'm not hating on any of my teammates be for real.

Yeah. I mean, listen around the league when injuries happen, it affects everybody. From top to bottom, it affects the entire team. Offensively. It hadn't been the same Christian McCaffrey is out. I mean, it's, it's just, Jordan Mason's out. You lost your two time running back.

You're down to your third running back. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is what happens. This is what happens. And you know, people. T-dub, I don't know if T-dub was back, but I think he had a situation here, a family situation. Yeah.

Um, yeah, it's, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. And then when, when things aren't going well, this is what happens. family situation. Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. When things aren't going well, this is what happens. Players struggle. Fans talk trash because they don't look like they did the previous year. You know, Devo is still Devo. There's nothing wrong with him. There's nothing wrong with him all. It's just the flow of the offense is just not going in his favor. Hell, the flow of the offense in general isn't going in the 49ers' favor

for that matter. So, you know, maybe next year they'll be alright and that's it. Because you don't fall off a cliff like that. And I need the casual fans that are talking trash about Devo not playing well this year. Well, for obvious reasons. Alright? For obvious reasons. It's not that easy. sports betting is doing to our teams, our states, and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. The forces shaping markets and the economy are often hiding behind a blur of numbers.

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