Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bengals franchise tag Tee Higgins again, 49ers trade Deebo Samuel & more!

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Bengals franchise tagging Tee Higgins for a second consecutive season, the 49ers trading Deebo Samuel to the Commanders, and much more!03:50 - Bengals add franchise tag to Tee Higgins08:30 - Ja’Marr Chase leaves a cryptic tweet15:17 - Eagles release Darius Slay27:43 - Travis Hunter playing two positions35:50 - Deebo Samuel to Commanders40:55 - Will Howard off at NFL Combine45:25 - Patrick Surtain II joins the show(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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make a fully guaranteed $26.2 million. Since the second time he will get tagged, he will make 120% of his 2024 salary, bringing them up to $26.2 million. Is this a deal going to get done or are they making sure they get something back on an eventual trade? Do you believe, do you believe they're gonna sign T to a long-term deal or they're gonna try to sign him

and then trade him and get compensation? You know, I'm not sure, I'm not sure even at this point and understanding the value that T would get or what his value is right now on the open market. I think the Bangles understand that. I think T understands that as well. Now also on the bright side of things as a Bangle fan myself, true, die hard Bangle fan. I would love to see them keep the trio together. I would love to see them keep the band together. The Sal cap went up, huh? I think it's like 279.

Right, it's 279. But when I think about it, listen, Jamar Chase getting ready to be the highest paid and reset the quarterback market as far as contractually. So I understand that. Then I'm not sure what they're gonna do with Joe Burrow. Is he gonna restructure in some sort of way to make wiggle room, not only for just T. Higgins,

but for Trey Henderson, for other needs that need to be met. He see the market. He got 17 and a half sacks for the last two seasons. Yeah, you got to tell me. I know. I know. So boom, what's going to happen? What's more important? Where are the needs that need to be met for us as a team? I know fans want to say, bring T back. I love T, but I also understand what T can get. I understand his value on the open market.

Now, obviously it's a franchise tag. You did it to me one year. Now when you do it to me one year, basically you telling me, listen, we don't really see the value in you and give me a contract long-term. So what we're gonna do is- That means they're betting against you.

Nope. Yeah. They're betting against you. Please. Because if you thought I was what I, if you think of me what I think of me, you give me the deal. I mean, it wouldn't be no questions asked, huh?

The deal would have got done last year. And now double back come this year again. T Higgins, great dear, big game, stepped up. Yeah, he only played 12. I think he only played 12 games, Ocho. But he still had 10 touchdowns. He averaged like 75 yards a game receiving. So if you extrapolate that over the full 17 games,

we know what type of season he would have had even with Chase doing what he did. And that's the problem that you run into. Okay, when you keep pushing the cans down the road, okay, you push you kick Jamar Chase can down the road. He gets the Triple Crown. It would happen. Okay, you wouldn't do anything with Hendrickson.

Now he led the league in sacks back to back season, which he's had 17 and a half. Okay, you franchise tag T Higgins. led the league in sacks back to back season, which he's had 17 and a half. Okay. You franchise tag T Higgins. Now he follows that up and he's like, y'all got to pay me because I see Jaylen wattle with years left on his contract got 28. Y'all mean to tell me I'm at the end of my contract and y'all think franchising me at 26 is good. No, I need guaranteed money.

I need like 75 million fully guaranteed the first year. Right. Now we can talk. I'm curious. Normally, most of the time, teams use the franchise tag to their advantage, not only to lock a player up, but when you do it for a second year,

I'm trying to buy myself some time. I'm betting against you. I'm betting that you won't have another year like that. Because what good is it, Ocho, if he has another year like that, maybe you want to sous-vide and say, well, we got a sous-vide out there, we can let him go. Right.

That's, cause at some point in time, if you're drafting the type of player that you believe you are, you're not going to be able to keep them all right It's just it's just it's impractical You're not gonna be able to keep chase at 40. You're not gonna keep Joe at 55 You're not gonna be Hendrickson who he wants 30 T Higgins won't 30. Excuse me Hey, you go to go at that number now they got a little bit more cap space. They waved out Alex Capa, the guard.

I guess he had a bad year. I mean, looking at it, he gave it most sacks, most pressures, most hurries. So it was pretty bad. Jamar Chase posted this cryptic treat of Joe Burrow on Instagram. What? At T Higgins, if you can see it on your screen,

he like, again. the fans. The fans think oh it's so easy. The cap is going up. They're going to sign everybody. Listen, if you look at the reactions, you look at the reactions from T, you look at the reactions from Jamar Chase, it tells you that things aren't as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as

they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They aren't as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're not as sweet as they seem. They're. The cap is going up. They're going to sign everybody. Listen, if you look at the reactions, you look at the reactions from T,

you look at the reactions from Jamar Chase. It tells you that things aren't as sweet as you think on the outside. Looking in regardless to how the cap numbers have gone up. Because you have to think the Bengals have a franchise run. This ain't they did not think about now. They think about the foreseeable future. You know, when it comes to their book, well, guaranteed, I won't long term guaranteed money.

Yeah. Well, listen, they got till July to get it done. They got till July to get it done. Now me, as much as I want T to stay, I love T. I love my bangles. I love the organization. Matter of fact, I love the fans that argue with me back and forth, Zim Hude.

I know you probably gonna see this. I love the fans that argue with me back and forth. Zem Hoodei, I know you probably don't see this. I love you too and everybody else, but I just don't see it happening based on what T is deserving of and what Chase is going to be. Chase going north of 40. It's it. Oh, he is. He's resetting the market. He's going north of 40.

He's resetting the market for the simple fact. You made me wait. I'll tell you what. Y'all like that 26.2? Give me that in guaranteed money. Give me 80 million fully guaranteed. And then y'all can put it however you want to. But I need to make

I need to make 80 million. I need to make 80 million in the first three years, don't you? Yeah, we good. I need to make 80 million. I need to make 80 million in the first three years, don't you? Yeah, we good. I need to make 80 million, and give me 80 million dollars signing bonus, and then I'll play, the first year I played for like 1.2, then I'll play for five million, and the next year I'll play for 10.

Yeah. Since y'all say 26 million, everybody talking, okay, just go ahead and give me that. Yeah, and give me a nice lump sum and a signed bonus too, now. Give me 70 million signed bonus. Give me some security, now. I need my nest egg in case something happens, just in case.

Cause I ain't going to lords of London. Hey, if I'm chasing, y'all maybe take this $10 million insurance policy, I'm gonna factor that in when y'all negotiate. So y'all gonna give me that back on top if I have to take out another one at some point in time. Hey, listen, the game is the game, huh? This is the football.

And this is why I wouldn't wanna be an owner. I wouldn't wanna be a GM. I wouldn't wanna be in a position of Katie Blackburn, Mike Brown, Troy Blackburn in a situation like this with a team this great, with players this great, and it's time to pay. I just don't want to be. You have to be ahead of the curve.

Do you believe T Higgins, let me ask you a question. Do you believe Chase in the next three to five years will not be a top three receiver? If you don't believe he'll be a top three receiver, you signed him last year because you're paying him based on what you believe he's going to do moving forward. Not what he's done in the past because I've already paid you for that. So if I give you $35, $36 million dollars that's because I believe you're gonna be a top three receiver and in two years this money be obsolete now I got you for another two years oh Joe at 36 million when the gold rates from probably be 42 43 million see that's what you have to do so you have like a lot of times oh Joe you have to buy something like man look here what people look what if you were doing investments people buy gold people buy commodities

base don't believe they're going to go higher so at this price although it seems steep I buy for a little when it moves up now I got it And that's how you have to look at these players. Michael Park, do you, okay, you saw Michael was defensive rookie of the year, and he's been in the MV, the defensive player of the year discussion. Why we wait until this man get all the way to the end of his contract

before we think about doing a good, a long-term deal? All you did was let the price keep going up. Yesterday's price is not today's price. to get a long-term deal. All you did was let the price keep going up. You get up higher? Yesterday's price is not today's price. It's definitely not. It's definitely not. Listen, I want to work things out, but I also understand how the other side of things work.

Yeah, everybody yelling about the cap, the cap going up, the cap being hot. Have the bangles ever been on the way up to the cap? So let's start there. Have they, you know, we, we screaming, oh, the cap is going, is this, is that? I mean, listen, this is still a business that has to be run. This ain't, this ain't Madden. This is- You see what Howard Roseman does? You see what he did? You see what he did with Devontae? You see what he did with AJ? You see what he did with Devontae? You see what he did with AJ? You see what he did with Hertz? Got him early. And what he did is that he's like,

okay, Saquon, we'll give you this. If you get these incentives, not only will you get them for this year, it'll automatically go onto your contract next year. So that 1.5, 1.750 million. So now Saquon's gonna make almost $14 million. Here's those numbers next year, guess what? That third year of the contract, now there's a chance

he goes out and has another year. I'm not saying he's gonna go for 2000, but has another good year. Howie might say, you know what? To keep that cap number down, let's go ahead and add a couple more years to it. Give you some- Nice signing bonus.

That's how you have to do it, don't you? You have to have some forward thinking. Cause if you wait till like, I don't know, I don't know. By the time you realize the guy's good, it's going to be cost prohibitive for you to sign your players. Well, listen, the guys we talk about, there's nothing to realize

you know what they do because the film the film don't lie they did it in college they got to the NFL and they kept on doing it they ain't missed a beat and we'll talk about Chase I'm not sure why you didn't pay him last year there was nothing wrong with T understanding what you got you know for the foreseeable future we took about two top one one top three player and we have another one that arguably could be in the top 10 you know as what i like to call a one beat i don't i don't see t has no two that's just me because anywhere else on any other team t eagles would be a number one but anyway that's neither

here nor there i hope they get the job done. The Eagles are going to release six-time pro bowl corner Darius Slay after five seasons with the teams. The Eagles initially acquired Slay via trade with Detroit in the 2020, immediately signing the quarterback to a three year extension. Slay, 34, is coming out one of his best seasons of his career. He allowed a 42% completion rate, allowed 5.4 yards per target, had 15 pass breakups, are all his best marks since joining the Eagles. In 2024, the Eagles allowed a league low,

174 yards passing per game. The lowest by franchise since 2000. Who is that, Tennessee? Since at least 2000. I think Tennessee, I think they beat the Ravens that year. since at least 2000. I think Tennessee, I think they beat the Ravens that year. Because we allowed the Ravens allowed 60, like 60 something yards Russian, but I think they average like gave up 260 yards. Tennessee actually statistically had a better. Oh, you're talking about that was the what you call them the field Eagles franchise. Oh, I thought it was talking about the lowest since 2000

by any franchise. Okay. Because I know Tennessee past defense in 2000. They were they only gave up 242 yards a game. You see what Tennessee gave up that year? So, Ocho, but he always said that if he didn't finish his career in Philly, he would love to go back to Detroit. Detroit was his original team. Obviously, he has some issues with Matt Patricia, who's now the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. He goes to Philly, has a great, you know, go to two, he went to a bunch of Pro Bowls, they went to two Super Bowls,

they won this past one. So, could you see him going back to Detroit? I think so. I think so. I think so. Why not? Especially with what happened from an injury standpoint to the Detroit Lions on the back half of the season. I like it.

I like it. And I'm also trying to think about why not running back with as well as he played last year with the Eagles, but I can't even talk about Jeffrey Lurie and Harry Robinson and when it comes to their decision-making. Keyon Mitchell, obviously, they're now passing the torch. No, he's on one side. They're passing the keys to Cooper DeJon. See?

Rookie. Ooh. He's ready to be a starter now. Listen, listen, honestly, he played well, right? He played very well, but he played well based on everything else going on around him. Is he actually ready after his rookie season, despite them winning the Super Bowl, to be in that in that spot like that, where you got to see the number one receiver. At times you have to see maybe the number two receiver.

Is he ready for that? You can't keep everybody Ocho. I mean, what you gonna do with Braun? You gonna pay him? He gonna want a King's ransom. Okay, Sweat. Nice, coming, coming. What about you got 2D lineman that could potentially leave?

You got Jalen Carter coming up now. Hey, he gonna want a King's ransom. Whoo. And well-deserved. You got Mitchell gonna be coming down the pipeline, Ocho. He gonna want a King's ransom. Mm. Mm. I'm gonna go. Hey.

No, II understand. You know, the the chat saying they gonna keep the John at a nickel. Yeah, they're gonna put him at corner and then and guess what? They're gonna start him at corner and then when they go three They're gonna start him at corner and then when they go three he gonna bump inside the nickel. But then who who who gonna be the other who gonna

be the other corner? Hey, listen, uh playing on the outside and playing the nickel but that's a different ball game, baby. That's the that man to play corner. They found out that he's really good at the nickel and so guess what? They put him inside. They'll put him inside the situation and they'll bring somebody else. It'd be safe. You remember how, what's the guy's name, Ocho? He ended up going to Tennessee.

He ended up going to Tennessee from the Kansas City. The DB. Oh, the Darien. Yep. So they, Sneed. The Darien Sneed. What did they do? They drafted a corner.

Sneed was really good. They put him inside. What did they do after the season? They ended up signing, trading him, and now you got Watson and you got McDuffie. See, y'all just look at, see fans, y'all gotta stop looking. That's not how teams look at it. They draft a guy at corner, okay, damn. And they got a slave getting a little older, 34 years of age, that's a little old for a corner, but he played extremely well. Now maybe it's a situation that, you know, they come back.

I would go test the market. Now if I couldn't find something suitable, if I gotta play for three million, I'll play for three million in Philly. I ain't gonna play for three million because I know we gonna win. But at least let me go kick the tires somewhere else because somebody else might have some money for me, Ocho. Hey, that's T. That's T, huh? Do you understand? And I mean, no disrespect to my fans in Cincinnati.

I love you. Every last one of you. Do you understand what he's gonna make if he get on the open market? Oh, come on, man. He deserved it. He worked too hard. You hear me? Think about the sacrifices you just told me about that you went through to even touch the field.

What'd you think? He got a story. All of you got a story on how we got through it. We want that sense of security. Allow him to see it because you didn't believe in him here before. You know what? I want you to prove it to him. We're going to tag you.

We're going to tag you because we don't value giving you a long-term contract. We don't because if you did value me and you thought of what you think of how I think about myself as a player and as a receiver, there would have been no issue paying me. Now you tag me again two years in a row. What does that tell me? But see, Ocho, that's the players association. You agreed to that. Well, listen, you have to understand when it comes to the franchise tag,

you got 2,100 some players. Let's stay with me real quick now. Chat, y'all stay with me real quick. You got 2,100, maybe 2,200 players. When it comes to the franchise tag, we talk about it only happens maybe to six to eight players. Six to eight, no more than eight. No more than eight. Now actually going in to fight for something for such a small percentage of players that is required, where it's used, you know, year in and year out.

Do you really want to fight for something like that? Because sometimes it's that advantage for the players and for the team as well. Sometimes buying you a little bit more time so we can get a deal done. Now in this case when it comes to T, I don't like the way they're taking advantage of him. Because if you don't want to pay him, he would have done it the first time. Listen, don't do it to me again. Don't do it to me. Be quiet. But that's what, Paseed, that's where you have to be unselfish because a lot of time

for the very reason, I remember when they first started talking about lifetime benefits, there were a lot of prominent guys and I'm not gonna call their name, give me a million dollars and I buy my own health insurance. How'd that work out for them? The same thing you just said, there are so few guys that say, man, I'm never gonna get the franchise tag

until they get the franchise tag. Right. And now look at you. At some point, oh, Joe, Kurt flood, he never benefited from free agency. He lost, he basically lost his career. So everybody else got free agency. Spencer Haywood.

Right. Sometimes you have to sacrifice. There are a lot of people that sacrifice for the greater good, even though they weren't there to reap the benefits. A Dr. King, a Malcolm X, so many other freedom fighters. A lot of people sacrifice that didn't get the benefit of the sacrifice.

That's what sacrifice means. I like that. I like the way you put that. I like that. So now, okay. I tell you what, y'all want two franchise tags? We want lifetime health benefits. Yeah. Or you get one franchise tags, we want lifetime health benefits. Or you get one franchise tag, but

you can't franchise me again. I already gave you a bigger concession. Now you get a bigger piece of the pie, owners. I got to claw something back. Lif, right. Lifetime health benefits. Well, we got to do away with the franchise tag. Yes. One or the other. And, or even if we don't get lifetime, I need at least 10, 15 years. What is, oh Joe, if the average NFL career is three years.

So the average NFL player coming in at 2223. So that means right? He invested player with three years. He's done at 2526. Oh, Joe, he gets five years of health benefits at 31. He's done. Yeah, hopefully, the average life expectancy of someone is like 75 years. So he got another 40 plus years. Ooh. But guys don't think like that, Ocho. That money coming in so good. And you like, hey, I will be able.

But when you don't have money coming in and you have it going out and you get, if you get a serious injury, you get a form of cancer, you get a treatment, it'll wipe your savings out just like that. Just like that. And with the price of the surgeries and the price of the medicine, some medicine costing you $15,000, $20,000 a month?

Especially now. Especially now. Hey, oh my God. thousand a month? Especially now. Especially now. Hey, oh my god. Just the. Yes. Huh? How much you say? Some of it's that 10, 15, 20 thousand a month. Some of them cancer drugs. Jesus. My goodness. I mean, look at, I mean,

insulin. Look at insulin. What's insulin cost you? And people need two, three injections a day. It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League. And I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson. I wore nine NHL sweaters

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Travis Hunter says him playing both sides of the football is more difficult than Shohei Otani hitting and pitching and baseball. Let's take a listen to what Travis had to say. What's more difficult for you to do in football than what Otani hitting and pitching and baseball. Let's take a listen to what Trav had to say. What more difference can you do in football than what Otani does in baseball? Probably me, what I do in football,

because it's a lot on your body. Tony, he's a great player, but you gotta do a lot in your football. Ain't it close? Hey listen, completely different sides of the spectrum. Boy, hey Trav, I know you're gonna see this, but until you can get in that cage, you hear me? Just the bat cage. I don't even want no real picture. Just the machine. Tell them to turn it up to 90 to 95 miles per hour. Let me see you hit it.

Just a fastball. I ain't talking about no slider. I ain't talking about no curve. I ain't talking about no sinker. Ain't talking about no change up. Ain't talking about no cut fastball. Just straight heat. The most difficult thing to do in this world is hit a baseball coming at you. Just a fastball. That's it. Just a fastball.

As difficult as the game of football is. And I love you. You're an exceptional talent. Yes. But it's not even comparable. But if you think about it, we can only track two players in Major League history who have actually known to play baseball, pitch, and hit. We're talking about Babe Ruth, and we're talking about

Shohei Otani. Yes, sir. Troy Brown, we saw Troy Brown do that with the Patriots. Playoff is a defense. Play defense, yeah. Brian Jordan did it, time did it. Do you see the level,

Shohei Otani is the best player in baseball. That's different. He could be a number one starter for your pitching staff and he the best hitter in baseball. He could be a number one starter for your pitching staff. And he the best hitter in baseball. He could hit for average, hit for power. He could run the base. Trav, I love you bro.

But the hardest thing to do, and I've talked to a lot of guys that did, I talked to both. Both said the hardest thing to do, hit a baseball. I talked to time. Now we're talking about to do is hit the baseball. I talked to time. Now we're talking about two of the greatest athletes to have ever played, you name a sport, Bo and time are two of the top five.

Okay, if you want Jim Thorpe or whomever else you wanna put into this equation, but I tell you this, Bo Jackson and time are two of the top five athletes that we've ever seen. And both of those guys told me, say hitting the baseball is the hardest thing to do. Very difficult, very difficult. Very, very difficult.

And to do it at that level? Now, we gonna see you, Trav, come in. Now, Ocho, we've seen Shelo and Tony at the highest level do it. Yeah. And be an All-Star and be an MVP. Now, Trav, you're gonna have to get one of them All-Stars. You have to get to the Pro Bowl now.

Yeah. To match this. There's a chance he could do it. There's a chance he could do it as rookie year. Especially for sure. Listen, the last rookie, the last... As a DB or a wide receiver? Last wide receiver. He last wide receiver. I came.

I heard come out with this kind of confidence and say some of the things he's saying and live up to everything he's saying with Jamar Chase. You know, it wasn't outlandish or something like this, but I'm just saying confidence the confidence that Travis Hunter has with hell Jamar Chase said I'm coming into the league and I've got drafted by the Bengals and we're coming out and I'm bringing every record.

He ain't lying. And he ain't lying. He's still on business about everything he said and meant it. And Travis Hunter has that same type of cash and same type of confidence. That's why I believe there's a chance he can do it. He can do it.

Cause now- I'm not saying he can't, I I'm not saying he can't do both. He's not gonna put the number of plays in that he did in college. That's difficult. He'd have to have the condition of a 15,000. I'm trying to think what's the longest distance race at the Olympics. and the kind of-

They're a marathon. Yeah. The kind of wind and lung capacity you need to do something like that at that extreme level. There's too much. Yeah. I'm just thinking about exerting that kind of energy, messing around with Ike Taylor and Rhea and just, and then being tired.

I'm thinking about a 12, 13 play drive. Yeah. And now we kick a field goal, now we come back, now I'm on defense. Man, man stop. It's different. And he's gonna find out there are guys that are closer to his skill set than he previously fought. That's the thing about the NFL Ocho. You find guys that hold on, man, I used to be able to do this I get back. Wait a minute, damn, why are you still here? Yeah, at that point, the only thing that separates you is your technique.

Yeah, only thing separates you. It's gonna be interesting to see because, you know, even no matter who you think is not a really good receiver, Right. they were probably better than the receivers that he went against. That's the thing about that. People don't realize like how good,

the guy that you say that's a bum or you don't think he's good, people don't realize how good they actually are, Joe. All right, yeah, yeah. Look who they playing against. They play against guys that make them look like that. Right. It's just like those guys that you see, that guy on the bench, you don't never get in the game.

Okay, go down to the wire and play one on one and watch what he do to you. Go to lifetime and watch what he do to you. Put you in a blender. Put you in a blender. People don't realize like pros, like guys that they get paid to do this. Man, please. You underestimate the jokers, man. You can't do that.

Just cause because the level, I mean, you look at a LeBron and a guy might be the 13th and 14th guy, you're like, what? That guy? Yeah. And this is what I was telling somebody. The guy that you think is the 13th or 14th guy, you like what? That guy? Yeah. And this is what I was telling somebody. The guy that you think is the 13th or the 14th guy

on the bench, that guy is closer to LeBron than you are to the 13th or the 14th guy on the bench. Think about that, what I just said, Ocho. The 13th or 14th guy on the bench is closer to LeBron than what the guy said that whole talking issues to the 13th, 14th guy on the bench is closer to LeBron than what the guy said that home talking issue is to the 13-14 guy on the bench. I got you. I got you. I got you. Simply because the guy, the fact that he's on the bench, I mean we'll leave it at that. He's actually on the bench. You think, oh, he's on the bench. Okay. Okay. That lets you know. But I'll make you see. Look,

Okay. But I'll make you see. Look, I said this, I thought DB, because I think he's more sound as a DB than he is as a wide receiver. I think he out athletic, his athleticism, and gets him about a lot of stuff. Now, not to say that he can't fine tune and get some nuances of the receiver, but I think right now you can just drop him in right now, Ocho at DB, and he understands having been coached by time.

I think he has a great, his timing, his ball skills are really, really good. And for him to be like long legged, he can transition really well. He can get in and out of breaks really well. Yeah. He tracks the ball exceptional. Great hands.

You know he got great hands, Ocho, cause he's a wide receiver. So you know he got great hands. And for him, it's just not good enough for him to knock the ball down. He's trying to take the ball away. And take it and go the other way with it at that. Go to the other way.

Like a dance. The big news of the weekend, Ocho. The 49ers have dealt people sammage to the commanders in exchange for a fifth round pick as a part of the trade. Washington is taking on the remainder of samuels contract

paying his full 17.55 million salary in 2025 due to uh uh due to commanders not have the most dangerous offensive core? They have Jay Daines at quarterback who was offensive rookie of the year. Brian Robinson Jr. running back. Terri scary Terri McLaurin. They have Devo Samuels and Zach Ert.

They also have a dynamic. I don't know. Brown, I don't know. Brown. Yeah, listen, they've they've improved. They've improved tremendously. I mean, hell, they were in NFC Championship. They went to NFC Championship last year and then you bring a dynamic playmaker like Debo Samuels over to your offense again and what does it do for your quarterback? It takes

pressure off your quarterback again, even more pressure. I don't have to do more. What do you mean we got Debo Samuels? You know how many things he can do. He's a little Swiss Army knife. He can play in the side, he can go outside. You can put him in motion. You can put him in the backfield. You can do so much with him. So as long as the creativity is there.

I'm not sure who the coordinator is. But the- Cliff Kingsbury. Oh, it's Cliff? Oh man, oh man, they straight. They straight. Listen, Klingberry ain't no different than McVay. straight. Listen, Klingberry ain't no different than McVay. Klingberry ain't no different than Andy Reid.

I'm just saying from a creative standpoint and knowing what to do and using your players to their strengths. So they're going to be fine. Oh, they definitely going to be fine. I mean, but what the 49ers going to do? Now they talking about letting trading Brandon I you too 17.5 17 million So they traded the fifth round for him and the Cowboys traded the fourth round of a mingo

Oh my bad. What you thinking, Ocho? Jerry Jones. No, they don't have. Ocho, do the commanders have the most dangerous? No. Did they? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Did did Saquard retire? No. They still got AJ. They they still got Devante and they still got uh uh

Goddard. No. Yeah, they don't have the most danger but hey, they they improved tremendously. I'll tell you that. For sure. Hey, they improved tremendously. A lot. Now. Well, sure. They improved tremendously, a lot. Now, that- Are we sure that, are they better than Detroit? Ooh, that's a good one.

With Armond Ra? Wait, hold on. With Jameson Williams, Armond Ra, St. Brown, and LeBron? I don't know. And Gibbs? And Montgomery? Yeah, and Montgomery. Are we sure? No. No.

No, no, no. Hey, that'm Montgomery. Yeah. Are Bay. Wicks, Reid, Dobbs, Watson. Oh, check this out. And John Jacobs. Deebo Samuel, Terry McLaurin, Marshawn Latimore has a $61 million cap hit. Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown, Devontae Smith, Saquon Barkley, Dallas Garter has a $66 million cap hit. Howie T. Edoff. How it works with magic. Hey, listen,

you know who need to work some magic? Who? America's team. They ain't got none to work. And they're about to uh uh uh they say the reports are they're about to franchise a diggizua. So that's gonna be 25 million hard cap, you can't spread it. DAC is about to be what, 90 million against the cap, CD. You haven't even signed, you haven't even signed Micah. Right, I think, but to give them a little breathing room, you know, they'll restructure DAC,

they give them a lump sum on the front end and the sign-in bonus. They'll free them up, you know, some of that cap. And that's their fault. They wanted to wait till the last minute to do that. They do? They did that. That's what they always do.

That's why you wait till the last minute, now you got a franchise with Diggy Tua. Now, if you don't sign him, guess what? He gone. Yeah. But you mess your cap up. You gotta have some foresight in order to see like, you know what? This guy's a player for. I know, hey, go to him, sign him a little early. And then a year from now you're like damn they got him for that. Yeah Ocho Will Howard has had enough combine

He's one of the quarterbacks that opted to throw the NFL scouting combine over the weekend and his performance brought mixed reviews and was deemed Inconsistent he missed multiple passes including a couple of deep balls down the field. Chidor came to his defense. I don't understand why y'all hating on Will Howard. He just wasn't an addict. It's hard to throw to receivers that you don't know. Everyone runs routes differently. And y'all want QBs to come to the combine and throw. I mean, listen, we talk about quarterbacks that just coming off seasons we could turn on the film. What are you judging in someone in shirts and shorts? It does nothing. Everybody looks great all-American in shirts and shorts. What do you do once you put the helmet and shoulder pads on and your cleats. How do you perform then? How did Will Howard perform then?

What are you throwing at me, Jeremiah Smith? Yep. Come on, man. What are we talking about? Oh, I wanna make sure you look good. I wanna make sure you pass the eye test on your shorts and you hit every receiver that you never thrown to before and complete every pass.

Get out of here, please. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, sometimes you get nervous, sometimes, hey. But I ain't used to run, man, first of all, I used to have my ankles taped, I ain't have no ankles taped. Bad, bad Ocho, I mean, I had never been on turf before in my life.

Right. Like it is what it is. Somebody gonna give me a chance. Yeah. That's it. I was like, I sure hope somebody that take me, they don't play on turf. You know who I thought was gonna take me Ocho?

The team that I had the most contact with? Who I talked to the most? Who that? Cincinnati Bengals. Hey, what? You could have been over there with your boy, huh? I figured Cincinnati, Seattle, because they had called, asked where I was going to be. And Cincinnati, Seattle, who else?

I really, I didn't hear from Denver. Maybe the Patriots because their guy came several times and worked me out. Yeah. Oh, Philly, Philly. I talked to Buddy Ryan, rest his soul. I talked to him a lot. So I was like, I just knew I I say Philly, Cincinnati or Seattle. I was like, damn Seattle player. I say Cincinnati play on turf,

Seattle play on turf and Philly play on turf. Cause you know, the vet was terrible. Right. The vet was every year was voted worst field conditions. Yes. Seattle was on turf cause they played back then, Ocho they played in the Kingdome. Yeah.

I don't know if you remember the Kingdome. And then Cincinnati, like man Cincinnati don't win, ish though. Hey that's not necessary. And then go. Yeah, yeah, you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you

you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you They know what you can do. Hey, when you have your pro day, and you throw into your receivers at Ohio State, right about. And again, even at the pro day, again, are they drafting you based on what you're doing at the combine? Yes, a little bit of it comes into play. But those where you have that much film, like a Will Howard, what are you talking

about? You not throwing well at the combine is why your stock is going to drop. Huh? Anybody saying that is why certain scouts don't need to be in position to make calls for certain teams. Turn on the film, man. There's a lot of film on Will Howard and what he did at Ohio State. What are we talking about? Oh he didn't throw well. We talk about shorts and shirt. I get it. Stop playing man. Joining us three-time pro bowler, two-time all-pro, defensive player of the year. He's one of six, now he's one of seven D.V.'s to have won that award. Mel Blunt won it first.

Lester Hayes, Rod Wilson, Deion Sanders, Charles Wilson, Stefan Gilmore, and now representing Bronco Country, Pat Surtan II. P.S. dude, what it do? Yo, what's good? What's happening? It's hot. Man, bro, I'm proud, man.

You represent Bronco country extremely well, man You're the first defensive player of the year since Randy Gratishaw and I think 77 or 78 So it's been down to 50 years since we've had a defensive player of the year But I can't think of someone that's more worthy with the work that you put in. Oh, yeah the way you prepare You know, hey, I get I get I intel. The way the professionalism that what you display, how you go about your business, how you try to get better and better every day, the attention to detail that you put in, man, I want to take my hat off and say congratulations. And I'm proud you're a Bronco, bro.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, but P, you know, I've been watching you since high school, but man, obviously having, you know, having the battles with your, high school, but man, obviously having the battles with your pops, man, when you was in the league, and now watching you dominate at the position and being the number one defensive back in the league. I want to know, my first, what's your mindset, man, when you line up against some of the best receivers in the league with a great understanding, as technically sound as you are and as savvy as you are, how important is you to be able to keep your composure in most situations with DB's panic?

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You at the crib? Yeah. I don't know what's wrong with the Wi-Fi. Yeah, I'm not... But what Ocho was asking you is that what's your mindset when you go into a game and you know you're going to have to take, you're going to have to travel. You've got a lot of frequent flyers miles because you go left, right. Sometimes you jump into slot, but mainly you're outside,

but you're taking the opposing team's best receiver. What is your mindset? How do you get locked in on a given Sunday? Yeah, I think it all starts with preparation, knowing your opponent, knowing who you're going up against, you know, because the NFL each and every week, you know, you're going up against a top top line receiver each and every week. So, you know, you got to have that mindset going in like you're going to win every rep at the end of the day. So, you know, every time I go and play every Sunday, I look at it as a blessing because, you know,

I get to go up against the best, you know, and perform at a high level. So. Hey, growing up, listen, did you always know you wanted, did you always know you wanted to follow in your father's footsteps as a cornerback? Or was there another position you wanted to play? Or was it always defensive back?

No, I wasn't always DB. You know, I've always wanted to be a running back growing up. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, I played at PPO. PPO. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all be cheating out there, man. Yeah, I was, I was showing out at running back, man. I was but then like, you know, I played offense, you know, and then when I went to DB, it sort of translated naturally. And I sort of got the feel for, you know, the instincts,

the press, you know, I had the press game already. So I was like, I'm just gonna carry it over to DB. And you know, the game went off from there. So. Yeah. When people describe you, the one thing they say technically sound, always on balance. Good T.

He doesn't get lazy. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork. He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his head. What are you thinking? When you go up there and you're like, okay, I got X, Y, I got whoever the receiver is. When you lock in, you're like, I got this guy.

What are you thinking, P.S.? Shoot, first thing I'm thinking of being sound. Okay. You know, like you said, technically sound, like it's starting with my eyes, you know, making sure my eyes at the right spot, you know, not guessing, you know, you know, being sound with that, you know, and putting, making sure my feet match the receiver's feet at the end of the day. You know, the receivers, you know, you know, being sound with that, you know, and putting, making sure my feet match the receiver's feet

at the end of the day. You know, the receivers, you know, Chad, y'all getting into the break, Danny, you know, y'all, y'all so quick, so we gotta react. And that's amazing, making sure I'm able to react, you know, a couple seconds later with the receiver's timing at the end of the day. So, you know, I make sure I'm sound with that

and hand placement is right, you know, when I'm pressing, you know, feet aligned with my eyes at the end of the day. So, you know, I make sure I'm solid that and hand placement is right. You know, when I'm pressing, you know, feet aligned with my eyes at the end of the day. So, you know, that's the main thing. Right. One more thing, Ocho, let me ask this, Ocho. Let me get this to you. Okay, go ahead.

I got a good one. Are you a pattern read guy or you a down in distance guy? Because me, I'm looking at guys, how guys played me. I'm looking at down in distance, how they play. I'm looking at when we're in a certain formation formation how they play. So are you a pattern read guy or you're down in distance guy? I Think that's a good question. I think it ties in both ways Like when you when you realize down the distance, right?

Like you realize what patterns about to come like, you know, like if it's third and short, you know, you, you fall by one backside. You, you, you expect this, you know, you, you, you know, I mean, so when you, when you, when you tie in those little things, you know, you understand the game. Like I read like two by two sets and be like, okay, two out to the flat. No one got the end breaker.

You know what I mean? It's just like raw concepts have different levels to it. You know, when you're a DB and you look at it firsthand, but you know, it comes with experience. You know what I mean? I want to say necessarily, say when I was a rookie, I knew that, you know, so the more and more time I had in the league

and understanding offenses and how they process, it slowed the game down for me for sure. So I think when you go on Eastern every week week and you know you got the right feeling of preparation, I think all that ties in together. Yeah. Hey, this is what I wanted to ask you too, because I had a lot of freedom to be able to do what I want to do as long as I stay within the time of the offense. And I'm curious on the defensive side of the ball, being that you're so good, how much

freedom do you have and reign to be able to do what you want to do within the defensive scheme based on the receiver that you're playing each week? Now, each week you play in team number one, you traveling with them and every receiver is different. Do you change your game a little bit and your approach to that specific player each week? Being that they're different and do they allow you

the freedom to do that in the in the in the secondary? I'm not sure how strict your coach is. I'm just curious. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some freedom. You know, it depends on the call. You know, we have different variations of calls. Right. Allowed you to be free, like man to man.

Like you can switch it up, your leverage and stuff. Like when I'm when I'm playing in the defensive scheme, I'm sort of like, if I'm in zone, I'm more solely focused on the quarterback sometimes. Right. You see like trying to bait the quarterback or give the quarterback this look and thinking to something else at the same time. But yeah, you know, you get a lot of lead way out there, you know, but it's all about, you know, playing confident. You know, it all starts with your confidence and your ability at the end of the day.

So I think with our defensive scheme, you know, Vance Joseph, he allows us to, you know, excel in our skillset, you know, and being play free. I'm looking at you and like, you play a DK Metcalf or a Mike Evans, those are more big body receivers that want to get physical. You play a smaller receiver that's quick. Now, I don't know if people know this, you're a rangey guy. I mean, you got long arms. I mean, you're 6'2". You are legit 6'2.5". I ain't know

if they know where with shoes on. You're a legit 6'2.5". So when you go up against say a DK Medcalf on one's plate and now you got Jackson Smith and Jigma or you got Lockett on the next plate. How different, how difficult is it for you to get it out like, okay, this guy's more physical. Okay, I know I got to be, I got to be able to be strong at my initial point versus a guy that got fans twitched that's looking to get up out of there in a hurry. Yeah, that's the thing, man. Like, you know, people, people have this like notion on Tardy B saying, you know, they can't get in and out of breaks.

Obviously they know Tardy Bs may be physical, but that's the thing. As DB you gotta have quick feet. You gotta be sudden as well too. So when I go against bigger receivers, I'm like, okay, we match up pretty well. That's my game, being physical. But them quicker, smaller receivers, that shifty and quick is like, okay, now I got to tie into my game a little bit more,

now it's not about physicality, you know? It's all about the feet, being aware, being sudden, but you know, that just goes in, you know, towards the work in the off season, like making sure my short area of quickness up the par, you know what I mean? All that ties in together because, you know, them receivers stop on a dime,

then boy, you gotta translate that, getting out the break and finishing on the play. So I think every week has its own challenge because sometimes I go against a new receiver, I don't know any experience against them, but it got me quick. And you gotta just read and react at the end of the day. So yeah.

Listen, for me, my toughest challenges during my tenure, during my career, obviously, playing within the division, having to deal with the Ike Taylors, the Lee Baudens, obviously Derell Reivers being the best DB I've ever gone against during my tenure in the league. Who would your top three receivers be that you feel are the most difficult to cover? Or would give you issues? I'm trying to find a way where you can give them their flowers without saying that they can beat you. There's always somebody. Yeah, you know, it is. It's crazy because receivers seem like every year, like another receiver pops up like people had under the radar., it's crazy because the receivers, it seems like every year another receiver pops up like people had under the radar.

So it's like, I've been going through the lineage of receivers that I can see pop up like year in and year out because I look at Sistacy as well too. So Ozzy Jamar, he up there, he had a great year. I went up against him. It was a good matchup between me and him. A good battle. Then we have like Devontae Adams. Yeah.

We had good battles. Like I look at dudes that I battle against. You know what I mean? Right. You know, we have all good matchups and let me see. I'll say Tyreek Hill. Ooh. He's been like, he was that dude for sure.

He's that dude. So, some good matchups. Pat, your dad, senior all pro. How much time did he spend with you once you decided you're going to play DB? How much time did he spend with you? Did you guys watch film? Did he say, OK, look for this? Did he work with you on certain things? So what what's been some of the lessons that your dad having a day in the NFL, play at a high level? What's some of the things that he's taught you?

Yeah, I think it's an honor, you know, being able to, you know, sort of, you know, have that, you know, person in your life that played at a high level, you know what I mean? You know, just learning from him, learning what he's seeing from the game, I'm just a sponge. I'm soaking in everything he taught me from day one. Being able to translate that to the game now is honestly a blessing, but I learned a lot. He just knows the game, the ins and outs of the game. He's played in the league for a long time, so being able to have that on my side with his experience, it helps a lot.

You know, just from when I was in the backyard just doing drills with him, now just watching film and stuff whenever he had the chance to, I think it's honestly a privilege for sure. Let me ask you this. At Alabama, Coach Saban spent a lot of time with the DBs. He was very, very hands-on coaching, eyes, eyes, this, feet,

this, this, and this. Tell me about Coach Saban and his approach to coaching DBs and some of the lessons that he taught you. Cause it seemed like Coach Saban was hard. I told you to do it like this! Yeah. Yeah, that's him, man. Like he, the thing is about by saving, like, obviously,

he's very hands-on, but it's what a purpose. Like, it's what a result that comes with it. They like, you know, the things he teach you, you know, you just can't hear it one ear and not the other. You got to really lock in and understand it because he'll come back with you and challenge you with the same question each and every day. And then if you don't lock in, that's when he like,

man, I can't trust you. You know what I mean? I can't put you on that field. So I think a lot of things he says was very prevalent to what he teaches. And it was a pleasure because every once in a while you needed that. You know what I mean? You needed somebody to get on your ass and hearing their ass. I mean, I think it was definitely a learning experience for me, but it was well worth it. You know, being coached by the greatest college football coach to ever do it, you know, at the end of the day.

So, you know, my time's there, spending with him, I learned a lot, you know, and just, when I take some of the lessons that he taught me, I sort of translate to league now, so. What were those practices like? You got Henry Ruggs, you got Devontae Smith, you got Judy, you got, I mean, you got Waddle, you got those guys, so it's not like you're like,

okay, man, let me go on over here. I'm gonna take Judy, hold on, he was the Balintnikov Award winner. Man, I got Devontae Smith. He caught the game-winning Chess Young at the National Championship game at the True Freshman. He's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's the Belitnikov. Every award that he did that, he's like, nah, let me go and jump on Waddle. You got a guy that's running four-two, boom, got you. You got a guy at Rugs running four-two, buy you. I mean,

what was practice like? Because I know there had to be some ish talking going on, fam. Nah, for sure, it was competitive. It was like like through my college career, I wasn't even like, the games was the games. Like the games were so easy. Cause you know, you went up for every practice. I was so much worried about how I'm gonna perform and practice in the game. You know what I mean?

Cause I can say you got Jude, you got Waddle, then you got Smitty and Rugs. It's like, those were right there. Like you see in the game, live in action, and you're like, man, any one of these boys go for like 200, 300. You know, if they want to, then you got two at quarterback, Mac Jones, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurst, and you back there like, man, yeah, these some dudes, these some dogs. Yeah, it was a lot of shit talking though. Like, we had competitive periods and like, boom, like the defense will win and the offense

will get mad, get frustrated and Saban, you know, he a defensive coach. So, you know, we ain't practice on a good note, you know, good speech, good practice. But boy, the offense come back the next day. Light y'all up. Arms. Like, we have a tough day through them competitive periods then Saban he'd be like, break it down. Then boom, we would just run gasses.

It's cause the defense is bad, man. He hate to see the defense lose, but like. Yeah. But them practices, man, like I can vividly remember like us just like getting better like each and every day, like you know, hot summer days through them grueling days. It was well worth it because in the game, it was like piece of cake.

Boom, I know where I need to line up. He do a release, boom, oh, this easy. I'm on the hip. But in practice, it's like, I need to lock in. In my 80s, you know what I mean? So yeah, it was definitely memorable for sure. That's dope. You've had some incredible plays, bro.

You know, obviously I've watched the highlights numerous times being that I'm a huge, huge advocate for excellent DB play. You've had some incredible plays in your early career. Earlier, in your early career, in the early stages of your career, what's been your favorite moment, you know, in the NFL so far?

Outside of getting drafted. I know getting drafted is that you can't replicate or replace that moment, but outside of that, what's been your favorite moment so far? Shoot, I think it just happened, winning that deep point, man. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

That was a pretty surreal feeling. Yes sir. I just think that just ties into all the work I put in the off season, you know, and just setting my goals aside, you know, and put into fruition. I think that was my favorite moment so far. But I say, I say another thing is that's very underrated is, you know, building relationships, you know, across the league, you know what I mean? Yeah.

You know, building, building bonds that, you know, around the league that, you know, across the league, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, building bonds that, you know, around the league that, you know, you would, you would cherish for a lifetime. And that's one of the things that, you know, I've been able to get exposed to, you know, meeting great vets, you know what I mean? Being around great locker rooms, great presence like that. I think that's very cool. That's a part of the NFL brotherhood. But yeah, I mean, I know I got a lot more years to go. So I know things will keep rolling,

experience is gonna keep coming. So now I'm very excited. You know, I'm enjoying it so far. How does a young man stay hungry? You had such great accomplishments early in your career. You've been an All-Pro, you've gone to the Pro Bowl, you just won Defensive Player of the Year in your third year.

What does Pat Sertan do to stay hungry? Because a lot of times when people are achieving an accomplishment, you climb a mountain, you're like, yes. But the really great ones find another summit to scale. What does Pat Sertan do for an encore? Man, I just realized at this point, man, you know, you've done everything, you know, at some point,

but there's always room to get better. Like sometimes I be like, like on this play, like, man, I could have did something different here. Like boom, like what's that next step in order for me to get there? You know what I mean? Like I'm still a work in progress. You know what I mean? I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day. So I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, people get into that, I'm getting to that point where people going to bring their A game each and every week. They going to have their best game against me, have their best number against me. So I know

like, I'm still hungry. I'm what I mean? I'm still working. I'm still the same dude each and every week, preparing the right way fundamentally. And, you know, making sure I keep on shopping in my toolbox. So, you know, this off season, I'll put the work in and get better at the end of the day. So. You guys have a great season.

Speaking of off season, you know, I got McLeese with me too now. Line them up. I'm just letting you know, I got McLeese with me too now. Line him up. Just letting you know, these A's always up. You know we can line him up. I'm being AZ. Oh, you're waiting in Arizona? Yeah, I'm being AZ, man.

Right, that's part of it. Man, that dude, man, you ain't see last year. Ocho tried to get off a dude, man, dude shoved him under the sideline. He put both hands in his chest. Not what he did stab left or right, right, left. That's yoga, yes, breastplate. The man, he did this right here to him.

He squeezed it. I said, aw man, get out of here. Hey listen, what you got to understand, I hadn't done no movement like that in 12 years. The man asked you, did that happen? No, it ain't happen. This man. You say he lied?

Yes. I got to see this. Hey, wait, wait, wait, listen. If that happened, you won't have a chance, man. Come again? Wait, wait, wait, come on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come again and press play, say that one more time.

You won't have a chance. That's what we talking about. Bronco country, stand up. That's why we're talking. Bronco country, stand up! That's what we do. Hey, Pelle, we're gonna get you here on this one. You guys made the playoff your first couple of years, didn't have a whole lot of success. This year, you seem to have found the quarterback

and Bo Nicks, who was a rookie, played extremely well. What are the expectations moving forward next year and beyond? Yeah, we got great expectations. I think this was just a start, you know, I mean of a long journey ahead I mean, like you said Bo, you know, we got a great young core, you know I mean, and we also got some veterans as well, too So now I'm looking forward to it man. I feel like We ended the season on a good note, but not the note that we wanted to, because obviously we was going into that playoff run,

looking for more, but it comes with it. But now since we know how to get there, it's all about sustaining and finishing the right way and getting to that next step. So I think that's the main goal, man, is just building the right pieces together. You know what I mean? I think with our team right now,

I think we're gonna bring everybody back together as we should. So I'm looking forward to it. I think we're gonna even be more hungry just because, uh, you know, we went to the playoffs, but not only that, we got a lot more left in the tank. So yeah, it's gonna be, I'm excited. You're not satisfied. I'm excited. You're not satisfied. You can, Pat has merch. You can cop his merch at off-fieldshop.com. Off-fieldshop.com to cop Pat Sartain's second merchandise.

Check it out. What do you have? Beanies, hats, hoodies. What you got going on over there, Pat? You shirts, hoodies, beanies, everything you need, limited edition. There it is. Your boy, limited edition. Rating Defensive Player of the Year,

Bronco Country, number two, Pat Sertandeseca. Congratulations, Telly Popps. I said, what's up? Hope y'all all well with the family. Continued success, bro. And you reppin' Bronco Country quite well, bro. Mile high salute. All right, bro. I'm gonna let y'all go.

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