Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bengals hold on, Cowboys stink, Lamar for MVP

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals getting a much needed win against Daniel Jones and the New York Giants on Sunday Night Football to improve to 2-4. Later, Unc and Ocho go in on the abysmal play of Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys in an embarrassing loss to Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions, Lamar Jackson returning to MVP form after outdueling Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels and much more!03:18 - Show starts03:28 - Intro06:00 - Bengals v Giants18:30 - Lions v Cowboys53:54 - Ravens v Commanders01:01:00 - Buccs v Saints(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Your bingo's going the road and secured a much needed win to improve the two and four beating the New York Giants 17-0 on the road and secured a much needed win to improve the two and four beating the New York Giants 17-0 on the road. Yeah. Joe Burrow was 19 of 28, 202 yards clean game. He didn't turn it over. They ran the ball 20 times for 121 yards. They didn't have a whole lot of plays.

They only ran what? 49 total plays. That's not a lot, but they get the job done. Um, Daniel Jones, 22 of 41, 205, one interception. A horrible interception. The field goal kicker didn't make anything better because he missed two field goals. They ran the ball 31 times for 119.

One touchdown, one touchdown, no. Tracy had a rushing touchdown, excuse me. No passing touchdown, a rushing touchdown. And they lose, the Giants lose a ball to two and four or in three at home. Bingo's fault. Go to two and four, two and away, two and one away from home. Okay.

What did you like about this game? Listen, what I liked about this game? Oh, hold on. You know, I'm gonna start with what I didn't like. What I didn't like is the offense. I didn't like the offense. I didn't like our offense, the Bengals, obviously playing down to the competition that we are playing and to give credit to the Giants defense, that got them Dexter Lawrence.

Oh, your Larry. And oh, your Larry. Oh, your Larry. So salute salute to them boys and salute to them boys. I just want to make sure I give them a credit and then give them a credit and what they were able to do. Obviously they double chase for then really the entirety of the night. Chase Brown had a good game.

T Higgins, dog, phenomenal, phenomenal. That's why I always call him a 1A if you did watch the game in his entirety. T Higgins is a 1A. Other than that, it was a good game. The play calling to me is still a little bit vanilla for us to have the two weeks, the previous two weeks that we did offensively and to come in to play the Giants and the Giants

do what they did to us tonight. It just, I just don't understand. I just don't understand based on the type of game Burrow had the previous two weeks before tonight. Other than that, defense, defense played well. As bad as our defense has been this year, I think we're ranked damn near the bottom half when it comes to the run, when it comes to the pass. We held them to seven points tonight. And it was a good win. It was an ugly win, but it was a win. Yeah.

It was an ugly win, but it was a win. Other than that, I mean, I got kinda nervous a little bit. I got kinda nervous towards the end. We needed two first downs to to seal the game. And here we go. First down, run the ball. Here we go. Second down, run the ball. Third down, sack. Like, oh, shit, here we go again. Here we go again, about to throw the game away. Because what thought was gonna happen was at the wrong opportune time the Giants were gonna go down and score and tie the goddamn game. Yeah. But it didn't happen. We got away with this one. I think we got the Browns next week. Hopefully we can we can pull off another one and

just that fast if we can win next week we done dug ourselves out that hole damn near. No you're not because the Ravens are not losing and the stealer the Ravens they're still winning they've already beat you in your place I don't I don't like the way you just rained on my parade I didn't need that I didn't need that let me feel let me feel good about my bangles right now we started out really bad we was one and and four. We won the night. We two and four. Yeah. We are going to beat the Browns next week. We're going to be, I'm telling you, we're going to beat the Browns next week. I'm going out on 11. I'm saying

it and I'm feeling good. Please don't rain on my parade and on my team. Cause let's talk about your Broncos. Are you, are you, are you, are the Bengals playing better than the Ravens? Absolutely not. And they've already beat you in their two games in front of you. Can I tell you something? Yeah. The Ravens started out fast and they hit their stride. I mean, they start off slow and they hit their stride. We started off slow and we're just now hitting our stride.

It just so happened the Ravens started hitting their stride before we did. You just said that you wouldn't have it considering the two offensive performance that you had last week and now you get 17 after scoring 30. Sometimes you have games like this, huh? You played a game before, sometimes you have games like this and you know it's okay. It's okay. That's why the first thing I did was I gave salute to the three decent players that were the best tonight for the Giants because they played really well. And again, salute to Lou as well because our defense played as well and only and held them to seven points.

Man, look here, let's cut the bull, John. Daniel Jones. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't jump on us too bad. Oh Joe. Don't jump on us too bad. Daniel Jones is terrible.

Oh, okay. The first player third quarter, they run a great play fake slate. A slate was a great dig route. He's wide open and he skips the ball to it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, Joe, that is, that is the most routine. He has no pressure. He had a great ball fake slate runs a great route.

Oh, yes. You've got to, if you can't complete the routine, how are you going to, how are you going? How are you gonna win? Yeah, how? Why would you retreat You in field goal range. Why would you retreat and throw the ball up in the middle of the field? Oh Joe? Oh Joe, that's that's high school. Oh, that's Yes That is so rooted I shouldn't have to tell you. First of all, you never roll

and then throw back across your body. You never retreat and throw the ball up in the middle of the field. Yeah, you don't, you don't. That's Carl, Carl, the rule number one. This is a NFL professional quarterback and he makes the most boneheaded plays that a high school player is taught not to do.

A junior high player is not taught not to do. Yes. Now there's one person that's worse than him. So there's one quarterback in the NFL that's worse than him. Who is that? You played down in Tennessee. Oh, Will Levers. Yeah. Yeah. When we talk about bonehead plays and things you just cannot do,

not even give you a chance or opportunity to win. But I don't I don't mean to veer off track, but, but Daniel Jones didn't, didn't play very well tonight. He didn't give his chance, his teammate chance to win with some of the throws that he did make. You are correct. Uh, he might've been seeing ghosts though, huh? He might've been seeing ghosts cause it does happen when you get hit enough, you get sacked enough, you get rattled, you start doing things you don't normally do that our routine It makes the routine things difficult. Yeah, but I think the thing is Ocho I just think your team is like really inconsistent and the problem that you're gonna have is that your defense isn't very good

Now you got a way with one tonight because their offense is worse than your defense But when you play a team that can put points on the board, I don't know how many games you're going to win that you play an offense that you score 17 points. This is the problem on the previous two weeks. We were a team that can put points on the board. We've scored 30, 30. We had 30 balls the past two weeks in a row, but I don't understand what the hell happened tonight, but here's the thing you remember against Washington.

How many times did you kick field goals in the red zone? That's what got you beat against the commanders. Right. Right. Last week, you you got the ball. You scored what, five times. But when you needed it, you threw it in a session late. You had the chiefs on the road. You fumble the ball. They get a scoop and score.

You see your offense at the most inopportune times are not doing what they need to get done. Going up and down the field, you should be pleased. The one thing you should be pleased with the night. Oh Joe, is that when it was a 10, seven ball game and they got the ball back, they went down and got seven. You should be pleased with that. Yeah.

Because when a team can take the ball and says, we're not going to give it back to you, or if we do give it back, you're going to be down two scores. Right. You should be very, very pleased with that. That is the mark of a team that says, OK, let's if we can just shut them down a little bit on defense, defense. I'm not saying you got to be the 2000 Raven, but damn, you can't give up 41. You can't give up 33 or whatever they gave up against the commanders. But when you play the Giants, if you don't put the ball in harm's way,

their offense can't consistently move the ball well enough to beat you. Right. Because of that quarterback play. Now they can dress it up all they want to and talk about it's the offensive line and those receivers. He is not a good NFL quarterback. It's really that simple. The money aside, I don't care about the money.

Hell, he's not a good quarterback for $20 million a year because the routine throws he can't make consistently. What you think? What? He's not a good quarterback for how much year? 20 million, 15. I mean, he just, it's just hard to win when your quarterback play is that inconsistent. Yeah, you're right.

You're right. Listen, every team, every team is 32 teams at NFL and every team and just a quarterback away. A quarterback away from being good, a quarterback away from being in contention, a quarterback away of consistent quarterback play away from just being able to build and get your franchise going in the right direction. But the thing about the quarterback position, as we know, and you know, and those that are not casual fans of the game know, that position is very difficult. it's a reason why they command the money that they do do is the reason they command the money not command the money but when the timing is off sometimes you just have to pay a person because there's

nothing out there for you there's nothing else to go get they had no choice but to pay Daniel Jones at the time when it was time to pay him I mean where were you going? There was nowhere else to go. That's what that's what that's what I call timing being right. The time was right. There were no other options and he was the best option for you. But see, that's when you ignore what you had seen the previous two and a half years

and you base everything on one season. They made the playoffs. But what did the previous two seasons tell you? So you ignore that and say, this is who he is. So you have a large sample size of who somebody is. But you take the small sample size is almost like being a relationship. Your girl is give you her ass to kiss, except on your birthday. You say, this is my baby is.

But what about the other? What about the other three? Sixty four. Right. So what about the large sample size in which you've seen Daniel Jones play? And you've seen the inefficiency and you've seen the ineffectiveness. Now we will disregard that. We're just going to say this is who he is and this is who he can be. Nah, nah. It's hard, though. It's hard. It's hard.

You know how difficult it is to find quarterbacks. And they still have a fine one quarter how difficult it is to find quarterbacks. And they still have a fine one quarterback that you can win with quarterbacks that can play consistently weekend and week out that is hard. And they paid 40 million dollars and they still have a fine one. You can win just as many games as they're going to win with a guy that makes 10 million. Can you not? Yeah.

Yeah. And see the thing is Ocho, he plays just well enough at times that you're like, man, yeah, he has flashes. Flashes is that, that, that, okay. That's why we paid him. And then it goes back to no, something ain't right. We are, we are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, it's not a singular act.

It is a habit. What do you repeatedly do? If you look at Daniel Jones' body of work, what has he repeatedly done? Played bad. He has more instances in which he's played bad, inconsistent, ineffective than he has playing good, being affected, impactful, effective. You just said something really, really, really profound. It's very simple, but we are what we repeatedly do, huh. Therefore, it is not a singular act.

It is a habit. Boy, I'm going to use that one. Habits are what we repeatedly do, not singular acts. Right. Oh, that's a good one. It was real simple and it almost got away from me, but I had to rewind it and bring it back in and replay it. That's a good one.

Ocho. After suffering the worst home loss of his time as owner, general manager, 47-9, to the Detroit Lions, Jerry Jones backed head coach Mike McCarthy. When asked of a potential change, Jerry said, oh, I haven't even considered that. I'm not considering that just so you're clear. I'm not considering that when reminded about his previous in season coaching changes, he made it 2010 when he fired Wade Phillips and named Jason Garrett, interim head coach after one and seven start Jerry became even more dispensing. That would be a hypothetical in that matter. Do you think I'm an idiot, Jory, Jerry? Is that a rhetorical question or is that one that you want a yes or no answer to don't answer do you okay well I'm not going to do hypotheticals with

you about what I would consider coaching change in light of timing we're sitting here with I'm not at all the coaches the Cowboys are three and three after the loss to the Lions and I wouldn't just the loss three and three after the loss to the Lions. And that wasn't just a loss. No, that was just a loss. All those aren't created equal. Yes, they go into the loss column, but they're not created equal. They're just one game behind the commanders in the NFC East, but have lost their first three games at home for the first time since 2010.

They've been outscored by 66 points. The Cowboys are on three in the red zone today. Ocho is it time to take McCarthy out of his position? I have a question before we even get to McCarthy, right? Yes. Before we get even get to the players, before we get to the defense, before we get to the offense. The Cowboys lost today, right?

Yes. Who was the first person we heard from? The first person we always hear from, Jerry. That's problem number one. Yes. That's problem number one, it always has been, but like you said and like you told me, he would never change because he feels he's the best person

to be able to run that team. But the Cowboys did today, it was very bad. It was dreadful. It was awful. was very bad. It was dreadful. It was awful. It was terrible. It was frightful. It was atrocious. It was disgraceful.

It was deplorable. I'm not sure if I have any other words I can explain the Cowboys showing today, offensively and defensively. It was bad. It was bad. It was bad to the point where the fucking Detroit Lions were running stuff that I haven't seen in years that I ran when I was an optimist Yeah, when I was in Little League Play that I did when I was eight years old, this is the NFL. This is the best of the best

This the NFL. It's the best of the best. How you throwing plays at a tackle? Because I I have such little respect. This is what you call being disrespectful because we're on national television. We're going to run a lateral to a tackle. Oh, Joe, we're going to call it anything like that. This is not the last play of the game where we're going to ladder it black and forth, we're going to call it. And guess what? Before that, we're going to call a play. We're going to play fake it. And we're going to try to and forth, we're gonna call it. And guess what? Before that, we gonna call a play,

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They've had three games at home. They lost all three games at home. Tonight wasn't, that wasn't a loss. I really can't even conjure up the words. I tried, I tried to give you a few synonyms on what tonight was, but I don't know what. I don't know what, I don't know what I don't, I it is it, is it Mike McCarthy? Well, they would, that same Mike McCarthy went 12, 12 and five last year.

But that's the, with the Mike McCarthy before that, the, see the previous of that, they went 12 and five as well. And yes, they had a playoff birth, even though they, they, they went home in the first round, but still this is not the same cowboy team that I mean, I mean I'm used to used to seeing especially in the regular season because in the regular season they do win But they don't start off this goddamn bad Their defense isn't very good the defense is not built When has their defense ever been good?

No, but see here's the thing is that what normally happens is that the office can put press. See, they're built to play with a lead. And what happens when you can't play with a lead and you can't pin your ears back because you got those guys that don't have anchors in their back pockets. You see how they move you see how to 184 yards and look at they don't just get beat. They get blown out. Yeah, they get blown out. Yeah.

They get blown out. What did the Saints do to them? What did the Green Bay do to them in the playoffs? They put up 48. They got 47 hung on them today. New Orleans put 40 something on them. Yeah, yeah. The Ravens took their foot out the gas too soon.

They should have put 40 on them. Right. And people keep saying, well, it's the deep is the defense that got three field goals. If I know my defense isn't good, I can't settle for field goals. I've got to get touchdown because I've got a match because if I don't, we're going to be get too far behind. The best thing to happen is that through that interception and got him out. Cause what was going to happen is he was going to get some empty calories and

people will say, well, it didn't see the games. They back played well. We've seen that far too many times. We saw it against the saints. We saw it against the Raven. We see it a lot. We saw it against green Bay where he has these empty calories. And you look at the stat and you're like, well, he didn't play bad.

If the defense could have got some stops. No, I got three field goals. Yeah. Three. If you really think about it, Ocho, they should, they should have put 60 on them. Yeah. Yeah. It could listen.

It could have been a 60 ball easily, but that, that would have been big changes. If they put up 60 points, heads were probably going to roll and somebody would have had to lose their job, but it would have been too much pressure from the outside world. Who are you going to put it? First of all, you can't put Mike Zimmer in that job because his defense is trash. So how you put him in that job is as the, as the head coach. I don't know who's the office coordinator.

Who did he hire? Cowboys. I know Mike McCarthy calls the plays, but who has the job title as offensive coordinator? Brian Schottenheimer. Okay, he's not you're not putting him there. So you're kind of stuck because guess what? That's Mike McCarthy's offense.

That's not Brian Schottenheimer's offense. That's Mike McCarthy's offense. That's not Brian Schottenheimer's offense. That's Mike McCarthy. Cause remember they got rid of the other guy because they say they ran the ball too much. I mean, they threw the ball too much. They throw the ball weight more now than they did when they had Kellen Moore's offensive coordinator. So I'm assuming because they throw the ball so much, they're still

not happy with the running game. They're still not happy with those they have to run the ball. So what'm assuming because they throw the ball so much, they're still not happy with the running game. They're still not happy with those they have to run the ball. So what's the answer there? What happens though? Joe, when you fall behind by 14, you fall behind by choice, but to throw. So you don't really know. Look, do I, I think that Dydell is okay. I don't think he's great.

I don't think you're going anywhere with him. Right. But you basically take your running game out because what do they do every game? They fall behind. And when you fall behind, I any work. Okay, run it. I dare you to because all you're going to do is run time off the clock. Because they don't really have anybody that can hit their head on the goalpost. No. So with that being said, with that being said, yeah, this is bad. I don't know what's going on, but it's almost like CD and Dak has never played together. Ocho, you know, he had 14 targets today. It cost seven of them They put him in motion. He runs up the sideline deck throws it back shoulder. He keeps going He's looking for over here that throws it over there right that's looking for him to be over there he throws it over here

So he's over here So I think it's they got to get on the same base. Oh Joe Guys been together for five years old Joe. What They got to get on the same base. Oh, Joe, man, the guys been together for five years. Oh, Joe, what do you mean? Get on the same page. Yeah. I mean, listen, you I mean, hell, even after five years, they're supposed to be in sync, especially in year five. You're supposed to know what I'm thinking every time as a receiver. If you know a guy is off and I'm coming to motion, I'm running down the field

and he's already off of me, it's OK. You throw that thing back. So if you do, I have a guy pressed in his apartment and I'm coming to motion, I'm running down the field and he's already off of me, it's okay. You throw that thing back shoulder. If you do, I have a guy pressed and he's up on me and I'm coming to motion. He's, and he's locked up. You let that bitch go. Like there's the one, the two people on offense that should be in unison is them too. And then to out of sync, then everything is falling apart.

And because in order, in order for the office to get a rhythm, if they can't run the ball like they haven't been able to do in order for their office to get a rhythm and everything to get in sync, got them, got them. Four. Dan, what number are city where oh, four, eighty eight. Oh, they got to be on the same page. You should have one with that can kick it. That can kick start your office right there like a goddamn lawnmower. You know what? Shit ain't

shit ain't going right. McCarthy calls them from 4 to 88. Let's get us. Let's get us in rhythm every time. Oh Joe, at some point in time we got to come to the realization the Cowboys aren't good. You can say 4 to 88. You could say 4 to one and 4 to this. The Cowboys are good. Yeah. Yeah. And it's OK to say that. Oh, yeah. They're not good. I didn't say it. I didn't say it. But I think I think it's more than just that.

That's in the way of them actually being good. It's more it's more than just that than them actually being good. Being good starts all the way from the motherfucking top because the Kansas City Chiefs are good. Yeah. But it starts at the top. The Ravens are good. It. But it starts at the top. The Ravens are good. It's always started from the top. The Steelers are good.

Even if they're rebounding back to being good, but it's, it starts to the top. Just think about, think about all the teams that are consistently good year in and year out, not living on what they've done. Because the coach is the coach is the voice of the team and not the owner. And the owner is okay with not getting credit. We're not, we're not, Oh, let me tell you who's gonna play, let me tell you who isn't, let me tell you who's injured, let me tell you who isn't, let me tell you what's going on,

and let me tell you what's not. That's Jerry. Jerry Ego won't let him be anything but this. All the teams that you mentioned, Steve Bishadi, he don't care about no credit. The Rooney's, they don't care about no credit. The Hunts, they don't care about no credit. Only Jerry, because his ego, his insatiable appetite to be liked and to be known. That's why he won't hire a coach of substance, because anybody that comes in and they win,

they're going to get the credit. That's why he got Jimmy ass up out of there, because Jimmy got the credit. Wasn't nobody talking about Jerry Jones. I was in the league when they were winning, and everybody talked about Jimmy. It was Jimmy and the triplets. Jerry was an afterthought.

Jerry was disgusted by that, because I purchased this team. I hired Jimmy Johnson, who was a college teammate of mine. It it it it it rubbed it, and that's why he wants to win so bad. He feels if he can just win one without Jimmy and not having Jimmy players. He'll be OK, but I don't see it happening because he can't get out of his own way. And this team is not good enough. They're not good enough.

Hey, Trayvon, bro. That's a speed merchant up there. If you press him and you miss, that's what's going to happen. He go run by you. You'll run by your old He'll run by you. Oh Joe is remote. Yes. James Williams.

Yeah. Yeah. You can go now. You can't miss him. You got to get all of it because you got a man with no help over the top. And he gonna run to that point and Jerry golf, go throw it up and then it's going to be a touchdown. Cowboys. They're in trouble. Cowboys, they're in trouble.

Oh Joe, they're in trouble. If you look at the teams, they're not better. Are they better than the Packers? No. Are they better than the lions? No, we obviously not. They're not better than Minnesota. They're not better than the commanders.

They're not better than the 49ers. Oh Joe, right now they're're like eighth or ninth best, maybe eighth, maybe 10th. Right. Hell, I'm not so sure they're better than Chicago. You think about, and this is the funny thing. I was gonna say, you think about all the teams that you just named,

and you look at the quarterbacks of those teams. They're quarterbacks that play consistent week in and week out. Now I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with Dak because Dak does what he can do. I think he doesn't have enough, what's the word I'm looking for? Enough firepower.

Hold on. Where you going? What chat? Anyway, like I was saying, I don't think Dak, you think about all the other teams that aren't just name and look at the weaponry that they have at their disposal. Um, I think the Cowboys has them, they have some good players. They don't have that. Um, you know, you got, you got CD and you need something else that, that really, that commands that

kind of, you know, that kind of attention that, that, that kind of, you know, that kind of attention that kind of alleviates the pressure off of Dak, alleviates some of the pressure off of CD. It's hard to explain, but most of the teams do have that. Shit, I don't know how to say it. I'm trying to say it without being disrespectful to the players that are there. I mean, they're good, you know, it's okay,

but there's levels and there's different tiers to this shit. And I think that's what the Cowboys might be missing a little bit Especially offensively because if you if you if your defense is bad The identity has to be somewhere your identity gotta be somewhere either your identity is on offense or your identities on fucking defense It can't be on both sides of the balls If you've defense is bad, that mean your office has to be just that much better. And they just need need more. They just need more. That's it.

And we need Jerry to sit down. And I'm talking about we because. I feel bad for the Cowboys fans. Hell, I feel bad for the Cowboys players. You know. Now I understand what Sugar Knight was talking about. That same speech he gave at whatever the war show that was is pertaining to Jerry, same thing.

Same thing, let us play. Let the coaches coach. A great team, somebody say, Ocho, a great team needs both sides. No it doesn't. Great team doesn't need both sides, and you'll never get that. You'll never get that.

A team is always lopsided, even the team that have won Super Bowls is always lopsided at some point, somewhere. You can't have a great defense and a great offense. That's like impossible. You think about the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl. Defense lit up what they gave lit up 10 points, It was a game. Yeah.

Again. Hey, somebody, somebody to say, I mean, you better you you're better at explaining it to me. Yeah. Well, for them, as opposed to someone say you need a great team on both sides of the ball. No win unique. You need to play complimentary football.

Bingo. Because I think the mark of any good team, Ocho, is can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely have to? When you have to, yeah. Go back and look at the Chiefs. Look how they played bad all last year. But in the playoffs, when they needed to get a key third down, what did they do? They got it. When they needed to get a stop, the defense was consistent all year. But when they needed to get off the field, they got off the field. When they needed to force a turnover, when Zay Flower was about to get the ball, what

does need do? Punch it out. Punch it out. They get on it. So you need to be able to play complementary football. You need to be, you need to be really good in two or three phases. But at the other phase, can you compliment that? Can you get timely turnovers?

Can you get a timely third down? Can you, can your punter pin him down? Can he, your kicker make a big kick? Right? Dallas have a kicker that has a cannon for a leg. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's damn they're automatic. But they're so bad on both sides on the other side, offensively and defensively. They can't look at that. They couldn't protect him. The best thing, I mean, Hutchison, hopefully he come make a comeback next year because he had a compound.

A compound. Yeah. And you see that, you see that injury a lot of times, Ocho, in MMA, when they kicked and it got checked him. Yeah. We saw Anderson Silver break his leg like that. I think we saw Rockwell break his leg. I think that's the last thing. break his leg like that. I think we saw rock Rockwell break his lap. I think that's the break his leg like that McGregor it might not have been the same thing, but his ankle snapped a half. He kicked remember you he went back

Yeah We've seen that we see Anderson Silver broke his leg. I think Anderson Silver did that. We've seen a loop with a rock hole rock. One of those, another guy, who was it? And so we saw that, but they couldn't block him. Yeah. Yeah. Chris Weidman, Chris Weidman.

That's what it was, Chris Weidman. Kick, guy checked him, snaps it in half. He's making a play, Ocho. His leg whips around. We saw RG three, his leg whip like that, but he tore everything in his knee. He has later like a copy of the compound fracture. So hopefully he gives back next year because he was having an unbelievable season.

They couldn't block him. They did a great job of stunning. And the offensive line though, Joe is not what he once was. They can't open holes like they once did. That's a lot of collisions. Now a lot of those times Smith is going on. The only guy that's been there from the start was Zach Martin, but he's not what he once was. He's slowing down considerably.

Watch it. I'm not breaking news to you, Ocho. Just watch the tape. Watch him play. He's not what he once was. He's still good, but he's not even close to what he once was. They're running games.

They're running routine games on him and getting home. Yeah. But the Cowboys got some serious, serious issues, Ocho. They got some serious, serious issues. You don't think them having another viable target to take some of the pressure off a goddamn CD and DAC. Yeah, I'm talking about a viable target. I'm talking about one, when you break the goddamn huddle,

okay, you know what, We need to be alert. All right, we need to be alert for 88, but hell we got to watch this fool over here too, because he can also beat us. So we say we taking we taking so and so out of the game. We know he has the possibility to also move the chains. Hell the Bengals that got Chase and they got goddamn Higgins. The Eagles. They got AJ Brown. They have Devontae Smith. Those are two people that you just have to worry about that makes, I think, the offense a little bit more, more, um, not explosive. Trying to think of the word, the word, the right word to use. You can do much more.

Well, yeah, that makes it more diversified. Because that's right. Yeah. When you, Ocho, when you look at it, I like Tober. I think he can be really good. He's gotten better. When you look at what he was last year, Ocho Ocho, there were some games he wasn't even dressing out.

Yeah. Brandon Cooks is supposed to be your number two, but he's hurt. It's hard. In order to be a number two, Ocho and to be that be that small, you got to be special. Right. See, Tyreek is that size, but Ty to be special. Right. See, Tyreke is that size, but Tyreke is special. Tyreke is a one. So to be that small and to be a number two, you've got to be really, really special. I think Brandon Cooks is good.

I don't think he's special. Right. And no disrespect. He don't put no feel in nobody. He put no fear in nobody like that. Low. You'll let it run by. No, he had run by you now. Yeah, that's it. He run by you, but he still don't put no fear. We ain't talk about no goddamn cheetah speed.

We ain't talk about no Xavier worthy. Now you fast. But who ain't fast? This NFL now. Everybody need mama. They get up running four three. Yeah. Like I said, the DBs, they're not special. I think Diggs is still trying to recover. He don't want to tackle. They keep trying to punch the ball out.

Bro, you got to put, at some point in time, Mocho, you got to put pads on people. You got to put people ass on the ground. Yeah. All that swiping at the ball. Hey, do you think, I think the NFL, the NFL has made it very, very difficult for DBs to make tackles, especially on sweeps and tosses. We, they're not, they're not able to cause a pile by going low on the guards that are pulling. Go look at J. Ram.

J. Ram will stick his nose up in there. The Ramsey? Yes. Oh yeah, he a tackle though. Yes. He's a tackling DB. Yes. So it can be done.

Very true to him. Yes. Yes. Hey, matter of fact, speaking of, I'm glad, I'm glad since you said that, there's a play from Denzel Ward. I don't know, I don't remember what year it was. When he slid down, the guy was coming and he slid up under the tackle.

And he slid under there and made that tackle? Yeah. No, and I still to this day, that play is still in my head because I've never seen nothing like that. That was live. But how many DBs can actually make a play like that? In order to make a play like that, you had to have thought about that play so

many times before before a play. That's not a play that at the spur of the moment you do that. You just think exactly, exactly, exactly. And so I think defenders are at a disadvantage, especially with those big boys pulling, especially DBS. It's kind of unfair, but I mean- You're gonna look at Marlon, Marlon Humphrey tackle. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Humphrey, Humphrey big boy, boy. You know, good boy. And your DBs gotta tackle because especially in the cowboys, because guess what? Your front seven lighten the bridges. So you're gonna be getting a lot of practice tackling. I'm just being honest, Ocho. I mean look at it who hadn't run for a hundred plus y'all. Hold on Again, they got our rush by a hundred yards

What a quarter fifty three? How many how many other lines at what 84 Okay, Cowboys had 53 you remember How many how many other lines had what 84? OK, Cowboys had 53. You remember the Ravens had 270 plus. Remember the 250 plus. Yeah, Kamau was going crazy that night. You got a look at some point in time, you just say, you know what the hell with this

it comes down to me. Oh, your football at the end of the day you can come with him all you want to make a play mono yeah man oh man yeah yeah but who can you count on who can you count on right now though somebody got to come to the party somebody got to pay the tab boy they on a bye week do you know how long this ass couldn't go sit in your ghost go stick with you? Oh yeah. Man, who they got coming out to battle? Oh, it ain't easy.

They can come out to buy and everything change. They can come out to buy and be a completely different team. They not better than, I forgot about Tampa. They not better than Tampa. Tampa, Tampa five. Oh Joe, guess who they got coming out to buy who the 49ers oh shit they're not better than the 49ers either I tell you what I give you one better they're not better than the Falcons

Kirk got the boys playing good. Ojo, they got the 49ers, the Falcons, the Eagles, the Texans. Oh, in a row? And the commanders, yes. Coming out to buy? Yep. That's their next five games. Boy, man, listen, again, this buy we could be good for them or it could be hell. Only two things could happen.

Yeah. Either you're going to play or you're going to fold. Or it could be hell. Only two things could happen. Yeah. Either you're going to play or you're going to fold. Either you're going to play or you're going to fold. What, let me ask you a question. What have you seen that makes you think they're going to play? I ain't seen nothing yet, honestly. I mean, I ain't trying to be rude.

I ain't trying to be rude, but, you know, I'm trying to be optimistic. And I'm not even a Cowboy fan. I'm just trying to be optimistic just for those that are Cowboys fans that might be in the chat. That's the problem. You see what? And that's what Jerry's done. He's played on the Cowboys fandom optimism. That's why he's done you a disservice because you see they just like y'all just like you because every year. What do they say? we'll get next year we

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I remember coming out here and tell you, I said, Ocho, I would sure like to see if Cleveland would have had their starting right tackles. You're playing two guys that's never started before. Yeah. And the Cowboys got the lead. So what could you do? Rush the quarterback back. Where's the last time? Cowboys don't have the lead. They can't pin their ears back.

They lighten the bridges. I mean, look how the Lions were just moving. Oh, Joe, I saw a couple of planes, man, I tweeted. I said, hell, I could get seven yards. Okay, I can, I can, two. I can get two of my old, my old ass with two replaced hips could get two yards in those holes that Montgomery and Gibbs

were running through. Yeah, yeah. And that lion's old lion is, I wouldn't call it underrated because any old lion had had it. Oh, no, they're not underrated. They got Suul. They got Sewell, they got Zeiler, they got Glass, Glass now, they got Decker. They nice. Oh hell no they not underrated. Oh hell no. They nice. Hell no they not underrated. But you know they don't talk about them enough. They don't talk about them enough for me. You know. But they might have have the best tackles in football.

When you look at their right tackle and their left tackle. Yeah. As a whole totality. And Zeidler is a damn good guard. Zeidler was a pro bowl player. Glass now is a pro bowl player. Yeah. Fool is a long. Yeah, they legit. Oh, so you're throwing in the towel. you throwing in the towel on the Cowboys already? Look, I didn't think the cow, look, every year, oh, they got so much talent.

No, they don't. You looking at names. Name, names. That's what I love so much about sports, Ocho, because you got to prove it to the next man the next week. Every year. I don't give a damn about your name. I don't give a damn about what you've done. You got to show me today that you are what everybody says you are. Right.

Because guess what? I look at myself at the same way, don't people explain to you? I see myself like that. Right. Only one of us can be that today Only one of us Oh, man, that's bad That's bad As bad the lions

Try to throw a teeny past the Taylor Decker. They ran a hook and lateral to pin they fool They let OT dance gicker. They ran a hook and lateral to Peneasul. They let OT dance, Gipper. He ran a route. That man was out there juking him. A flea flicker to Sam Laporta. I disrespect. Ocho, they got tackles.

We call them plays for tackles. They let the tackle run a route. And I ain't just talking about no down flat. It was a real route. It was a real route. I re he ran a real route. I don't know. Maybe Dan Campbell don't get along with Mike McCarthy to be called in type of place. Maybe, no, hold on.

Maybe Ben Johnson salute to Ben Johnson too. Maybe Ben Johnson don't get along with somebody over there on that cowboy staff because some of the things you were calling is disrespectful. Well, you know, Dan, he was with the cowboy. Oh, three, oh, five. There was the player. Oh, man. Yeah. OK, OK. And he probably wanted he probably wanted to stick it to Jerry. Huh?

Why not? Why not? I can't think of a better person. Right. Right. Right. Oh yeah. Tell you what, like you said, we're going to find out a lot about the Cowboys over the next six weeks. Yes, sir. We're going to find out. Yeah. I think I'm hoping they are right. I think Brandon Cooks, how long is he out? He was on IR? He on IR.

So he'll be back after the buy then. Nah, he got to miss one more week. This is the week, third, the week is the buy. But hold on, hold on, Joe. Now. Yeah. Is he gonna be ready to come back? He had surgery on that knee. Damn, man, I'm sick of everybody getting hurt, man.

Fuck this shit, man. Damn. Friends up for Aiden Hutchinson, who undergone surgery. He's already undergone surgery, Ocho. He had surgery at a Dallas hospital. I don't know when he's gonna return back to, I'm sure the Lions probably flew, got a P a charter and flew his mom and dad out to be with him. I'm almost certain of that.

I'm I'm I'm saying that's probably what happened. Um, but it was, he was playing unbelievable. He's a very, very immensely talented. He has defensive player of the year written all over him at some point in time in his career. But he was off to an amazing start this year. I think he was leading the league in sacks.

I know he hadn't won today. He might have had, yeah, he had won. He had another one called back, but he's a hard playing guy, plays with great pass leverage, good on the left side or the right side, has a plethora of moves. He can bull you, he can hump you, he can rip you. He does it all. His playbook is limitless. And unfortunately, he suffered a very gruesome injury. Before Sunday, Ocho, the largest home defeat in Jerry's era came in 2001. They lost 36 to three. They've been on three other home losses

that have been larger margins of defeats in team history. For the third straight game, the Cowboys faced big halftime deficit. Remember, 27-6 against the Lions. They were down 21-6 against the Ravens. They were down 35-16 against the Saints. And at the wild card game. They were down 27 20 27 20 no 27 7 at halftime. Oh by the way, happy birthday Jerry

Ocho I don't know if you remember this but ain't nothing worse to get an ass whipped on your birthday How old Jerry turn 84 Okay, my bad that. Oh, Jerry turn. 84. Okay. My bad, 82. Yeah, cause you're older than my mom. Yeah, my mom turned 81 in January. Oh Joe, you know how you get your birthday and you figure you can say and do whatever you want to and get your ass cut on your birthday

by your grandma or your mom. Grandma ain't play that, what? I mean, how that feel Jerry? I ain't even taking no chances back then. I mean, to get your ass tore for your birthday, that's the worst kind. And then, cause you know you normally gonna have your cousins over or something like that

and you showing up. Oh boy, you being mannish, huh? Yeah. There ain't nobody trying to be mannish. You just wanna beat me in front of my cousin. That's it. But hey, they put that thing on them. That was bad.

The Ravens beat the Commanders 30-23 for their four straight wins. Zay Ply was nine catches, a buck 32 at the half, the most yards in a half in Raven's history. He didn't see a target the rest of the game and the Ravens still roll. Lamar and company gobbled up 484 yards, 28 first down. The 2024 Ravens are the first team since John man, 1971 Raiders with 150 plus rushing yards and at least one touchdown in each of the first six games of the season. Excuse me.

They racked up 176 rushing yards on the day with the reigning MVP throwing for 323 yards, Ocho. Are we looking at another MVP season for Al Jack? Yeah, yeah. See the way he got damn playing, even with the slow start, even with the slow start in order to dig yourself out that hole, you got to have the right person with that goddamn shovel, you hear me? And the person they got that shovel is Lamar Jackson. And he playing hell of a ball, hell of a ball.

Listen, he is a good throwower of the goddamn fucking football. I heard Ryan Clark say something where he said at this point in his, in just five games that Jayden Daniels is a better passer of the ball than Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson has showed, even though he was considered a running back coming out in the draft or saying he should have been playing maybe wide receiver, he has honed the skill of being a good thrower of the bowl. Yes. Whether he's accurate, he got touch, he got precision.

I mean, what else can you ask for? He could, he could throw, he could throw your goddamn bullet or he could touch that thing in there like a goddamn fairy. He's good at what he does. If you watch the game today, I'm going to hike the ball. I'm gonna get the ball. And my first mindset is to throw the ball first to go through my reads. I'm gonna read my progression. Hell, if I got enough time, I'm gonna go back to my progression again. And if I got to run it, I'm gonna run it. He. That's dangerous.

I think the most impressive thing about Lamar Ocho is that he's gotten better at throwing the football every single year. Yeah. All we say it. We don't need first of all, it would be unfair, grossly unfair. If his passing ability ever surpassed it his running ability that wouldn't even be fair You'd have to outlaw it. Yeah, that's not fair. The guy was 20 20 of 26 323 a touchdown an interception he got sacked twice I can live with that but oh Joe I

Remember after the first game. What did I tell the river they should do with Derek Henry? Put him in the goddamn eye. That's when he's most efficient tosses and straight down motherfucking hill with the fullback. God damn it. If they put his ass in the eye, that man is running wild. Yeah. He's on pace. He's on pace for another 2000 yard season, which would, if he got 2000 yards in another season, cause no back has ever done 2000 more than once.

Just go ahead and put him in the hall. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's a long day. They run it. They run it. You know how difficult they're going to be to be. Yes.

But the way they plan right now, I'm not sure at some point, you know, you know, you always have a game. I call it a trap game. You always have a trap game. I'm not sure when that trap game is going to come where it just seemed nothing goes right and nothing actually works. But with the way they're going right now, you can't stop you can't stop him. Now not only can you not stop the running game, if you can't stop the running game,

it makes the pass the game that much easier. That that's what to think about it. When Lamar threw the ball to the tight end, Mark Andrews, he's throwing the ball likely like they. They so far open because why? I think you got to get that safety down because you can't have it with the light box. And Lamar is dealing. I mean, he is dealing.

I mean, he's hitting likely. He loves throwing to his tight end. Mark Andrews was always his favorite. But now he has a guy in Zay Flowers. He's not that big, Ocho. Yeah, he can get open that he can go down and he can go. Hey, they can't touch him in a phone booth. He could go. He's unbelievable.

They like that. He's he's he's unbelievable. He's playing. But the Ravens, they're playing unbelievable they're playing unbelievable football because they're also balance. Yes, what oh Joe 26 they had 26 pass attempts 37 rush attempts And they go down clock up because when you run the ball like they can run it It's gonna be tough for you to stop them and they go to the clock up because when you run the ball like they can run it, it's going to be tough for you to stop them. It's tough. It's going to be tough for you to stop them. It's really that simple. And they the rain. Look, the commandos were good.

I mean, you can't Jayden Daniels. He was a 24, 35, 269, two touchdowns. They didn't run the ball nearly well enough. And so the Ravens were good, a great job. They ran the ball 18 times for 52 yards. That's not good enough. That's less than three yards of carry on Joe. You ain't putting no fear in nobody hard running

the ball less than three yards of carry. But the Ravens defensively, they got after it. They were sacked second three times. But the office. When they're hungry like that, they will be hard to beat. Yeah, I mean, it'll be hard to beat. You know, the funny thing is, even in the loss, even in a loss today, Jane, they are still a good even.

Oh, yeah, yeah. But the thing you have to you have to understand, you have to understand who they plan. They ain't playing the goddamn Raven defense every goddamn week. Then you're not playing a juggernaut of an offense like that every week. So I can see them beating everyone else in the NFL, if so happen they have to play them until you get to, like, until you get to, let's say, the playoffs where the teams are obviously going to be that much better since they were able to make it

But I mean listen that the commanders have no reason to hang their head Obviously you lost to a very very good team today But when you think about it you run down if you look at the rest of NFL how many teams you think are really go? Can really beat and play with the commanders right now with the kind of quarterback play that they're getting from Jaden Daniels Ain't too many got their many. For sure, for sure. But I mean, you had look, you have to be impressed with Jayden Daniels. He went head to head. He went head to head with number one overall draft pick Joe Burrow. He beat him. Yeah, he went head to head with number one overall draft pick Kyle Murray.

He beat him. He lost to Lamar. But look, he got nothing to head with number one overall draft pick Kyler Murray. He beat him. He lost Lamar But look he got nothing to hold his head down because he played well. He played he played well Lamar is just Lamar He just Lamar. Yeah, and so like hey Maybe next time but the Ravens without offense when they can run the football like they can run it And they can throw it Lamar is dealing like he's Dealing they're gonna be awful difficult to be Ocho The book is go to go ahead

Now I'm gonna say the commanders didn't have Brian Robinson also today who would have made a difference in the running game as well so The Bucks go to New Orleans drop 51 on them finish with 594 total yards, converted six of 10 first downs were third downs, you mean. For 36 to 10, third downs average, eight point three yards of play one time of possession about with eight minutes.

Oh Joe, just think about this. They may feel through four touchdowns, but he also had three interceptions. They scored 51 points and turned the ball over three times. That's that's crazy. Chris Godwin had 11 catches for 125 yards and two touchdowns. And what was happening? Hey, I was letting more Mike Evans go at it. This is the one game.

This is the one game, the one game I couldn't see. This is the one game I had every at every game on on the TV set up between peaks. And the one game I couldn't get was this one. No, Mike Evans was quiet. He had two catches for 34 yards. They they ran the ball, they ran the ball for 277, 35 rushes, 277. Baker had 24 completions for 325 and four touchdowns. But just let that sink in, Ocho.

You turned the ball over three times and you dropped 51 points. Oh wait, how many of those points were on defense? The defense scored? defense and score any That's all offense 51 50 ball. Yep They must they must have been playing in Tampa, you know, they played in New Orleans They put up a 50 ball in it in the Superdome Mercedes-Benz. Oh, yep Hey 50 ball in the Superdome? Mertedez-Bendon, yep. Hey!

Hey, Baker Mayfield, man, listen, when they do a story, or they do, when you talk about adversity and overcoming unfortunate circumstance after having high expectations after coming out and getting drafted, number one you know things don't work out Where you get drafted to in Cleveland? You know you have a standing in LA you have a standing Carolina and all of a sudden you just

if you find the right the fight the right situation in Tampa and and shit just Just fucking going good for buddy, man. I like like that I like that for Baker long the temple had the temple return of a fumble for touchdown who fumbled a ball no one is an innocent three interceptions fumble crystal lobby lost a fumble Crystal Lave lost a fumble. And they return it for a touchdown. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Spencer Rattler had to start today.

Spencer Rattler look good today. 22 of 42, 43, one touchdowns, two interceptions. Oh, well, you know let Dave you let Dave you you gonna have a play play Well the first half in being him being a rookie they kind of got exotic They kind of got after him a little bit. Oh, Joe. Oh, they heated him up and you know, uh Todd Bowles he likes to pressure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, he loved to bring pressure and Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He loved to bring pressure and Yeah, I kind of got him off his killed to got him off got him off killed her a little bit then they ran away With it. I just couldn't I just could I don't know if I've seen a game like this

Yeah, we're Baker where our quarterback turns the ball over like he did much. Yeah, and they put up 51. I Mean, you know when you think about it, I mean, the Saints weren't able to do anything with those turnovers, I'm assuming, huh? They scored a couple, but once they got once they got going in the second half, it was like, like an avalanche. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Baker, man, you got to give him a lot of credit. They ran him out of Cleveland. He couldn't find, I don't even hold Carolina against it. I mean, I know he wanted to get out of Cleveland after they signed Deshaun and, you know, he gave up some money to leave.

But I can't, I ain't holding Carolina against him because everybody looked like Trash in Carolina. And then I was, so I wonder what they say. I wonder what Canellas is saying now. Cause he got the breaks beat off him again by the Falcons. So whose fault is that? Oh, okay. But, but for Baker to do what he's been able to do

to turn it around, he has weapons. Oh yeah. Hey man, just look, Urban and Tucker. Yeah. Running backs they got. Yeah. Boy, it's nice, huh? 14 for 136, 14 for 81.

A little lightning. They were cooking. They were cooking today. So the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are four and two. New Orleans Saints after that two and oh start. Lost four straight. Mm. Followed the two and four. And the boys good to buy the same got a sink sink got a nice little offense, but I could tell.

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