Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bengals still alive, Unc rips George Pickens, Ravens rout Browns

Episode Date: January 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals defeating Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers on the road in their final game of the regular season and the Bengals playoff hopes relying on a Denver Broncos loss and a Miami Dolphins loss or tie. Later, Unc goes off on Steelers WR George Pickens after a pitiful performance, Lamar Jackson surpasses 4000 passing yards as the Baltimore Ravens rout the Cleveland Browns and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:44 - Intro05:10 - Steelers v Bengals32:44 - George Pickens57:10 - Browns v Ravens(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The AFC crowned another division winner. The AFC North has a winner. It is the Baltimore Ravens after a blowout win over the Cleveland Browns. The Cincinnati Bengals kept hope alive with a 1917 victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now they need the Broncos to lose and a loss or a tie by the Miami Dolphins against the Jets and they make the playoffs. Wow, interesting game. We'll jump right into it. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank

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so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last last and tickets for the Super Bowl show in New Orleans It's our first spring tour stop of the year. They're on sale now. The link is pinned at the top of the chat February the 6th in New Orleans be there. We've got some big-time guests coming. You don't want to miss this guys Hey, let's jump right into it. Oh, Joe. The Bengals defeated the Steelers 1917. It was the Bengals defense. I repeat, yes, the much more line that got criticized all year. But a lot of these games lately, it's been their defense that has saved the day. Trey Hendrickson, three and a half sack.

He's going to lead the league for the second consecutive year in sacks. Now, the Bengals need a Broncos loss and a Dolphins loss or tie and they make the playoffs. If the Broncos lose, if win, it does not matter what the Dolphins do. If the Dolphins win, it does not matter. So they got to sit back and pray now. They've done what they were supposed to do. We ain't got to pray. We ain't got to pray. You talk about hope The first thing you said was we have to hope I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen

God has favor, you know, he has favor on he has favor on my bangles If he had favor y'all wouldn't be in this predicament. Listen the fact that listen It this is the fair you have you got to understand. it's not supposed to be perfect. I told you what the perfect story in it for the NFL would be. And it's going to play out just like that. The Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. Listen to me, I'm going to tell you how the Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. It doesn't matter what happened with Miami.

It don't matter what happened with the Jets. Yes, it does. If the Dolphins win, you still don't make the playoffs. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. It does not matter. See, seephins win, you still don't make the playoffs. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It does not matter. See, see, that's what you're talking. Wait a minute. If the Broncos lose and the Dolphins win, you are not going to the playoffs.

Let me finish. I ain't even let me finish. The Dolphins are playing the Jets, correct? Yes. Aaron Rodgers is going to be Aaron Rodgers tomorrow. We going to see the old school and Rodgers You hope it you see no no no no no no no no I'm not hoping I'm just saying the fact that he played bad the past Two weeks he's not gonna play. He's not gonna Numbers

Last two weeks Philip Aaron Rodgers number I'm gonna let you go ahead But I won't ask to put these numbers up cuz you said he played bad the last two weeks Okay, we're gonna pull up his staff for the last six weeks He's been a business no no no no don. Don't finish your thought. Go ahead, talk about the fingers and what's going to happen. The Jets are going to be the Dolphins, right? It's a divisional game. The Chiefs are going to be the Broncos. I told you already, it's about the defense of the Bengals and how they're playing at the right time. They haven't played, and listen, let me finish now. We haven't played

good all season, but Lou on the room, got them boys playing some good football right now. And this is, this is a team that nobody wants to see in the playoffs right now while we are peaking defensively offensively. If once we, this is what I'm saying. Once we get into the playoffs, it's a wrap.

It's curtains. I'm telling you that. And don't forget, we got, we got a thousand dollar bet on the game tomorrow. Yes, we do. Okay. I just want to make sure. And anybody in the chat that don't believe in me, we haven't lost the game since I cried on here on Nightcap

and I stopped eating McDonald's. We ain't lost the game in five weeks. But you didn't have no choice because you lost the bet. You didn't stop eating McDonald's out of the kindness of your heart. All right, but listen. You lost the bet. I'm going to eating McDonald's out of the kindness of your heart. You lost the bet. All right, but listen, I'm gonna stay. I'm not gonna eat anymore. I'm not gonna eat anymore until the Bengals.

We gonna be in New Orleans. Okay. We gonna be in New Orleans. Let's go. Hooray, hooray. Who ain't thinking gonna beat them Bengals? Nobody. Let's go, baby.

All I'm saying is I feel very, very comfortable. That's why I put $1,000 up that the Broncos were going to be going to win that game against Kansas City. I predicted this that when they won, when they are, when Kansas City went to Pittsburgh and won on Christmas, that they were going to rest their starters. Patrick Mahomes, I think Patrick Mahomes, they're going to probably rest. Now the offensive line. I mean, some of the guys, you got to play some guys, you only got eight offensive linemen up so for the most part they've got to play but all your key contributors Mahomes is not gonna play Travis

Kelsey is not gonna play Chris Jones is gonna make sure that Calp is healthy Big Duffy a lot of your key guys I wouldn't be surprised if like seven or eight starters are down but like I said, you gotta play, you gotta play your offensive line because you only have eight of those guys anyway. Can I tell you something? Yes. Carl, Carson Wentz was one starter from the Philadelphia Eagles. Carl Wentz knows how to win.

Carson Wentz knows how to play good football. Andy Reid as creative as he is. I'm sure we're going, I'm talking about we, I'm sure the Chiefs are going to be okay and have a competitive game against the Broncos. I love Bo Nicks. I love Bo Nicks. He's played very well all season long, but with the money on the line, what's that state? Not only for the Chiefs, even though I know they had it by, I know they had it by, but they're not going to lay down. Andy Reid is not going to allow them boys to lay down. They're going to come through for us. Aaron Rodgers, as much as we said about you,

I know you're gonna see this, as much as we said about you, matter of fact, Aaron Rodgers is probably watching. I need you to come through for me tomorrow, okay? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I need you to put him through. You said you're gonna be the Aaron Rodgers of old. Huh? You said you're gonna be the Aaron Rodgers of old.

Listen, you know how we see Aaron Rodgers of old in spurts, in spurts, small spurts? Yes. We old in spurts in spurts small. We gonna get one of them spurts tomorrow. We gonna get one of them spurts tomorrow. I guarantee you when we saw Aaron Rodgers play against the goddamn Jack Walls and got them Devontae Adams had got them nine for one 98 or one 89. Yeah, something like that. That's what it's gonna look like tomorrow.

I guarantee you that. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. They're one in seven and their last, uh, they're one in seven. Uh, and their last, uh, eight games, uh, Arizona, they lost 31 to six. He had 151 yards. Yeah. Yes. Andy, he had 184 yards in the law.

Seattle. He had 185 yards and a loss. Uh, Miami, uh, he did have 339. Whoa. But it was in a loss. Whoa. Jacksonville they won that game. The Raiders they lost. Last week against Buffalo he had 112 in a loss. Bingo. I mean the Rams. The Rams. The Raiders. Listen, understand how the game of football goes. Understand how to get, you see how the numbers, they keep going up, then they go down, then they go up, then they go down. What did he have when he played the Dolphins the first time?

3.30 something? Uh, they, they lost it over time, 3.39. Ah, he had 3.39. So what you think can happen this week? What you think, just the way, just the way the game flows and your understanding of the game of football, what you think can happen? But you know what I noticed? What?

In the game that he played really well, the temperature was like 80 degrees. Both were in Florida. One was in Jacksonville, one was in Miami. Can you tell the people at home, what was the weather like in Seattle? What was the weather like in Buffalo last week? Cold. Can I ask you a question? What was the weather like in Seattle?

Oh, it was rain, great and cold? What was the weather like in Seattle? Oh, it was rainy. Rainy, rainy, cold. What was the weather like in Indy? Was it indoor? When Indy came? No, it was in New York. Indy beat him. What was the weather like on your channel?

Tell the people out on what was the weather like? It was a little windy. Okay, so what do you think the weather is going to be like tomorrow? It's going to be cold. Can I tell you something? Yeah. Aaron Rodgers played in Green Bay. You know what it is in Green Bay in December? Yeah. It's cold.

It's cold. He gonna be, he gonna be all right. Had that Aaron Rodgers, the Aaron Rodgers that you saw in Green Bay, when did you have you seen him show up in Green Bay? You see him show up in the New York. And look, look like that. We're not, we see him in Spurs. We see, we see him in, in, in, in, in small, in the small flows, you know, oh shit, that's, that's why we signed him. And then it goes away.

Oh shit, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I gotta simmer down. Just listen to me, he's used to playing in the cold weather. So we can't use the weather as reading because he was phenomenal in Green Bay for years in the cold. As you get older and older, you get less tolerance. That's why a lot of people as they get older, when do they move, Ocho? They moved to Florida.

They moved to Arizona. They moved to California. Even though they've lived their entire life in the cold, you build up a less tolerance for the cold as you start to age. Okay. Even athletes do. Okay. I have a question.

Since you, you feeling so good about the Dolphins winning tomorrow, let's make another bet. Make another bet. I don't care about the Dolphins. Dolphins ain't my team. Okay. I pull Make another bet. I don't care about the Dolphins. Dolphins ain't my team. Okay. I'm... I'm pulling for my team. Because you...

I'm pulling for my team. Okay. The Ravens and the Broncos. Okay. Listen, I'm going to tell you one more time. I'm telling you again. Now, when we on the show tomorrow, don't say, oh, you was right. I know. How did you know? I ain't going to say nothing. I'm telling you how it's going to go go The Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos and the Jets are going to upset the Dolphins Even though the Dolphins is my team. I'm from Miami born and raised out of Dade County from Liberty City. I'm

Tell you how I feel good about it. I feel good I feel good about my team. No, don't. They know what's at stake. You don't. But let's get into this game. I love football guards. I love them. And I love when they punish bad behavior. They punished George Pickens tonight.

And I love it. And I've been telling you from day one, I say, you know what, Mike Tomlin, you condone George Pickens behavior. You tolerate things in a win, you never would in a loss. And I told you, I saw this with AB in 2016. Now you see this, now it come with Pickens. It come with Deontay Johnson. Mike Tomlin will tolerate negative behavior

if he wins the game. Now look at how you look at it. George Pickens basically lost him the game tonight. Cause he was awful. He was awful on your, and you think you don't. Oh, he can make plays. Don't look at the plays that fool. Hold on, hold on.

I let you, hey, I let you talk about your team, the Bengals and the Air Rogers. Let me have this moment. You have been George Pickens' biggest supporter. Even when he wouldn't run, even when he wouldn't recover a fumble you supported him even when he he was the reason that the interception happened in Pittsburgh to Friar Moon you supported it now I want you to put on yes yeah chat now I want you to put on your best support and

support George Pickens for the for the game that he had tonight I can't support him. He had a bad game. He had a bad game Yeah, you know, you know what I can say. He had a bad game. He has to watch that film Yes, they have a better understanding and you can't perform like this. Obviously they're the fifth seed, right? They're the fifth seed If the Broncos win the Broncos will be the fifth seed, right? They're the fifth seed. But my mistake. If the Broncos win, the Broncos will be the fifth, right? We've been we've been we've been to get OK, but anyway, anyway, back. I know George will see that. But you can't play like that.

What you can play like that. You can't have those type of games. You can't have those. Oh, OK. If the Chargers win, they're the sixth seed. The Chargers will be the fifth seed. Okay. Okay. So there'll be the sixth. So the Broncos can only be the seventh seed, right? So the Broncos, Dolphins or Bengals can only be the seventh seed. The only thing that can flip would be the Chargers. If they win, they're the five, Steelers are the six, and then you get Bengals, Dolphins, or Broncos as the seventh seed.

Okay, for the sake of the conversation, we already know what's going to happen. The Bengals are going to be the seventh seed. Okay. But again, let's go back to George Pickens. Pick, you can't have a game like that. You can't, you can't. If anything, you need to be the reason why your team is winning. They have to count on you.

You are the team's best offensive weapon. Therefore, you've got to always be on point. Your feet always got to be ten toes. Every time you step on the field, you have to understand that. You have to move as such and understand how valuable you are to the guy to... I almost cursed again. How valuable you are to the Steelers. You have to. That also comes with growth. That also comes with understanding on how important I am to not only the franchise, but my team success offensively. He got to understand that.

Oh, so, so when are you going to understand that? Because you saw that behavior last year in Cincinnati. Yes, sir. You saw it in Indy last year when he wouldn't chase. Yes, sir. He wouldn't hustle. He gave up on the play and it got picked. Yes, sir.

Me, me personally, I don't believe you can win with him. I want somebody else to win. I want him to grow with somebody else. Okay. You know what? I understand what you're talking about, right? I understand what you're talking about, but let's not mistake and understand the type of talent that is. Yeah. Let's not make the mistake. Well, I don't see Randy Moss talent. I don't see Randy Moss talent, so I gotta let him go. Ain't no Randy Moss talent coming through that though. Okay, well I gotta let him go. If there's no Randy Moss talent on no team right now. I gotta let him go then.'t no, sir. Ain't no Randy Moss talent coming through that though. OK, well I gotta let him go. If there's no Randy Moss talent on no team right now. I gotta let him go then.

So because that behavior, his play don't overcompensate his behavior. Right. I understand. And look at, is he more talented than AB? Oh, no. So what did they do to AB, Ocho? Tell the people, for the people that

don't realize what happened, what did Pittsburgh do the AB Ocho? Tell the people that for the people that don't realize what happened what did Pittsburgh do with AB? They had to pull away though. They will tolerate. Listen Chad I want you to understand and when Ocho and I we talk we talk a lot of stuff about sports but this applies to regular life and a regular job situation also. Your employer will tolerate you until he can replace you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They will tolerate until they can replace. Now let me tell you what happens

if you're a really good player and you got negative behavior. When that time comes, it makes it real easy for them to get off you. Yes, sir. You see how easy it was for the Packers to get rid of Aaron Rodgers? Whoa whoa whoa whoa. What? Wait wait how many years? How many years first now? How many years? See I told you, you missed the point. No I'm not supporting. I'm not supporting. I'm telling you how long it takes. No no no no but they got rid of him once they tolerated that

behavior until they could do what Ocho? Get ready. Now, what are the Jets gonna do? Now, if you had to put some money down, do the Jets keep him or let him go? Ooh, hey, you know what? I'm glad you said that, y'all. Listen to me. Listen to me real quick, stay with me. You understand how difficult it is to find a quarterback. Now, as bad as he's played this year,

who do you think they'd rather gamble with? You think they'd rather gamble with somebody that is new, we don't know what you're getting, or someone that has a resume that of Aaron Rodgers? What do you think? What's that resume got him this year? He got that resume. What's it got him? Nothing. But it's that resume that has him in the position to be able to be. Do you believe they can find another quarterback and go 4-11? Yes or no? Yes, sir. So why keep Aaron Rodgers and pay him 50 million when you can give somebody else and pay him 10, 15, maybe even 20 or even 30.

So what's the what's the upside of keeping Aaron Rodgers? Right. First of all, Ocho, he hadn't won the Super Bowl in 14 years. Now you believe in year 21. Right. That is the chance he could do it. No, no, not at all. But I know I know what he does. Thinking like a GM, thinking like an owner, their belief is based on what he has done is, you know what?

He gives a chance. There's hope despite the year he had. Oh Joe, I honestly don't. I'm not speaking for me. I'm speaking as if I have an owner or GM would think. I don't believe GMs feel that same way anymore. No? You don't think so?

I don't. Okay. I don't. Okay. I have a question. Let me ask you something. Yes sir. Kirk Cousins.

Everybody feels Kirk Cousins is worth it. You know, he can go get three, a hundred, whatever million from got the Atlanta Falcons, but he won one playoff game, but Super Bowl champion, Aaron Rodgers, full-time MVP Aaron Rodgers. Oh, we don't make it. Man, listen, understand the part it is to find a quarterback that can get the job done. We look at the Patrick Mahomes, the Josh Allen, the Joe Burrows, the Lamar Jacksons, the Jordan loves the CJ Strouds, Jayden Daniels playing well this year.

It's very hard to get a final quarterback where you know once we get somebody in that position at the helm, we can build around that. Sometimes it's so hard to find. You got to go with someone old, someone that's done it before. Even if you got to take them out to the passion and it's time for him to just go, he gives us hope. I could see that, Ojo, if he was a locker room presence. What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times

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chaos, until the culture is in shambles. And then you realize the presence, how important locker room presence is. This is not an accident. Yeah. Especially, you know, you didn't hear all this stuff. Oh, chill. You did not hear all this dysfunction with the locker room and with the jets last year with Zach Wilson and some of the other pieces that they had in place. Honestly listen, not gonna bring up the past,

but Zach Wilson had a better record. You know last year I felt they shouldn't have moved on from Zach Wilson. I was the one on the on the soapbox with Zach. But on it. What? Was he see what you just did? You said Aaron Rodgers resume. Oh yeah. You feel that resume? That is why they moved on from Zach Wilson based on what Aaron Rodgers has done in the past.

That's the reason why he was there in the first place. They gave Aaron Rodgers the keys to the entire organization. Once he got there, how you think Devontae Adams was able to get there? How do you think Lazard was able to get there? If I'm Devontae, I'm done following Aaron Rodgers around. I'm good. So wherever he go, I'm going the opposite. If he go north, I'm going south.

If he goes east, I'm going west. I'm done with that. Right. But I'm done with that. Unless let's have a great understanding on why he did decide to come based on what they were able to do together. The chemistry that they had at quarterback privacy duo. If you want to get stats, but he said he wanted to be somewhere where he can win.

That's what he said. Now those are his words. Right. Now do you want stats? You want a thousand yard season? You want to potentially go to the Pro Bowl? Right. Or do you want to win?

Because you've done all that. You've been a multiple time Pro Bowl player. You've got over a hundred touchdown catches in your career. But the one thing that you haven't done is one, a Super Bowl. I would like to thank Devontae Adams, a guy of his credential, that that's going to look really good on his resume Super Bowl. Because now he's looking at, OK, I got to try to get, because here's the thing.

Now, there's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches. Right. There's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches, Ocho, because you know, we got the extra game now. And they throw the ball a lot more than they originally did. Well, so now it's 1200 catches. It used to be, Ocho, you got a thousand catches. Oh man, you in a slam dunk.

Oh yeah, most definitely. And so that's what I think, Oh Joe. I think the thing is, it all depends on what Devontae is looking for. Obviously, he's going to want to get a nice compensation. I don't see Devontae playing for five, ten million dollars. He's going to want big money. Right. But if I want to go somewhere that I can win,

there's somebody that, and you're going to have to weigh the option. You got to look at the quarterback. How many opportunities I're going to have to weigh the option. You got to look at the quarterback. Um, how many opportunities I'm going to get. I, I can tell you that's opportunity for him. Obviously, uh, Deandre Hopkins on the one year deal in Kansas city, right? Yes. Okay.

So I'm assuming I'm thinking maybe in the off season, maybe that might be a great move, a great move for them out there. And I think Patrick Mahone wouldn't have no problem having one of the best route runners in the NFL still. He doesn't obviously get the notoriety that he does. He should, but he can see he's a great route runner. Oh, he's still technical. Oh, yeah. Listen, very, very, very sound. And I think he would be a great addition to the Chiefs offense, you know, with Xavier worthy. And I think Hollywood Brown, I'm not sure if Hollywood Brown is on a one or two year, three year deal, whatever it may be. He's a free agent. I think he's on a one year deal too.

Oh, see? Listen, it all will probably, it will all work itself out. Wherever Demonte Adams goes, he will be a great addition for that office. Oh, absolutely. I just think the thing is, I think this game should force George Pickens

to evaluate himself. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Ocho, he had a gray ball in the sidelines, and he dropped it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Ocho, he had a gray ball in the sidelines and he dropped it. Yes, sir. That was big. That was huge.

He had, I mean, he dropped every, Ocho, I understand, but those balls was in his hands and he dropped. Yeah. And he's a guy, you know what it is, Ocho? He's a guy that when he goes into a funk he can't pull himself out Mm-hmm. You know why? He's not strong enough up here yet Yeah, you got to have that DB that DB mentality when you get beat on you got to have that DB mentality you get beat

Okay, next play you got to forget about it And most of the time that's very difficult to do because I struggle with it too as a receiver I could be honest with you. I could talk to you, no, could be family. When I was young, we talk about year one, year two, when I drop a ball, I feel down on myself. Now I don't do I feel down on myself. The next ball that comes, it beat me up real bad. It beat me up real bad.

So most of the time, early in my career, when I would drop a ball, I would tell Carson to check it, or I would tell Kitna, actually it wasn't even Carson yet, I would tell Kitna, check it, I don't want to route, I don't want to run and route, I don't feel comfortable yet, throw me a smoke real quick, throw me a scream real quick, let me touch it again, let me see it all the way in, so it builds my confidence back up. But until I get that confidence back up, feeling the ball and touching it again, tugging it away, then I don't feel right now.

So I understand what pick is going through, but a performance like tonight cannot be had from a player of your caliber as important as you are to that guy in a game like this. You can't. So, you know what? It's a good thing. Get it out system now, get it out system now because come next week when it, when it counts, when it counts and they got to count on you, you got to come through for

you got to come through for them. I look at them Ocho they going on. They're gonna either get they're gonna either get Baltimore. If they're the five if they're the five. See here's the thing now. I'm really trying to be the five seed. The charge is like, we're going to win this game because we get the four seeds, which is the Houston Texans.

Right. They struggling. Yeah. Their quarterback is down some confidence. They're not playing particularly well on either side of the ball. Right. Oh, I like that matchup.

Yeah. You go to slide to the sixth seed, you got the Ravens. That's, you remember what the Ravens did to Pittsburgh last game. That's ugly. It remember what the Ravens did to Pittsburgh last game? That's ugly. It could be a, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, the Ravens are really clicking. Right.

The defense is starting to play better. Lamar is Lamar, he had another outstanding game. I did. Ocho, you see? Oh, oh, man, man, Derrick Henry wasn't getting nothing. You see the difference? Oh yeah. In the first half, you gave him the ball, he had what, three, four yards. Yes sir. In the second half, he take wasn't getting nothing. You see the difference? Oh yeah. In the first half, you gave him the ball.

He had what, three, four yards. Yes sir. In the second half, he take the game completely over. Completely over. That's all you got to do. Running the football is about a mentality sense. It doesn't matter. People think you're supposed to get 15 yards.

They care, they owe you. That's not gonna happen. When you run the football, it's a lot of one and two, maybe no yards, three yards, four yards and what he do. Boom, 25 yards. Boom, 18 yards. Boom, 43 yards.

That's how it works. Funny thing about it, you have it back like Derek Henry is you're going to have some ones, some twos, you get somebody that size continue to weigh on you deep on the, on the defensive side of the ball. At some point players start to come up and make that business decision. The whole world opened up a little bit wider in that third and fourth quarter. You know, it is, it's different. So I, it's like chopping wood, chopping wood continuously.

It continues, starts to crack more and more and more. Yes. At some point it opens right up and every time they get Derek Henry 18 more carries in a game, they've won every game where he's carried the ball more than 18 times. Every game. Every time. And it's really not that complicated. And then he opens it up for Lamar.

Lamar opens it up for him and the game becomes so easy for them when they run the ball because they're going gonna run it, Ocho. They got what they average, they had 225 today. Henry goes over 1900. Hey, hey Baltimore, you see what they did? The game was already out of hand. With five minutes left, they put Derrick Henry back in the game.

You see, Ocho, did you see what they did? Mm-hmm, oh yeah. See, the thing I hate, they make it seem like it's mutually exclusive. Well, if he breaks the record, we can't win the Super Bowl. Well, if he doesn't get the record, we can win the Super Bowl. They're not mutually exclusive. Yeah. Yeah. I just, like I said, I don't get it.

And I hope because now they've got to win the Super Bowl. Mm-hmm. If they don't win the Super Bowl, I'm like, bro, y'all did all that for what? Y'all denied the man an opportunity at the record to do what? Yeah. Oh, so, so you, so thank you, sir. So you feel the same way about Saquon too then and how I feel. Oh, yeah. I was, we talked about it. Yeah. Hell yeah. Thank you. Like he would.

Yes, absolutely. He would never get this opportunity again. The chance of having back to back 2000-yard seasons are like, it's slimmed and done. It's very difficult to do. And then people, you know, I'm going to be inside and they're going to be like, I'm hot? I'm hot? They're talking about, oh, we're trying to mitigate the risk of injury. We're going to play 16 weeks of football. And all of a sudden we get to week 17.

No, what are we talking about? This is football. You play the game, you play it to win. Sometimes as an individual, you have you have a chance to break records and cement your name in history. Like, why would you take that away from him? Because, oh, we don't want him to get hurt. What are we talking about?

There's a chance anytime you step on the field. It absolutely is. George Piggott and the Russell Wilson was not on the same page. Pickens denied Ocho against the Bengals, one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. He had six targets, three drops, one catch, zero yards. Earlier in the week, Pickens was asked about not being on the same page with Russell Wilson during the Chiefs game. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Yeah, he seemed like you and Ross weren't on the same page in that interception against the Chiefs. How does that happen and what do you guys do to address it? You said me and Russell wasn't on the same page? Yeah, well, that's what he said. That's what he said? Yeah. Well, that's what he said That's what he said. Yeah That's what he said. Okay How do you just address that? Thank you. All right. Thanks guys

That's far it wasn't it wasn't a sign page. Yeah, he quit Oh Joe. Oh Joe was tried to protect it Yeah. Yeah, he everybody saw he quit on the it. Yeah, yeah. Everybody saw him, he quit on the route. Russ did him a solid. Yeah, oh you talking about the- By saying we weren't on the same page. Last week, where, with the interception? On Christmas. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Remember? Yeah. McDuffie was on it. Yeah, I remember. It was covered too. He fell off, he fell off a little threat. He pushed him out of the bars and he quit, yes. He fell off a little threat, yeah.

Russ protected it, saying we just weren't on the same page. With actuality, everybody that saw it, when they showed the all 22 of it, he actually quit on the route. Which just to read, which is playing cover two to that side, there was no reason to get wide because there's no threat. So now with no threat, now I can pay attention to the hash to the middle of the field. Now I see prime moves that got the backer beat. Oh, let me just go ahead and take this off your hand, bro. Right. Right. That's back to back weeks too. So he got- No accountability. He got to see that. Russ going to talk to him. Matter of fact, Mike Tomlin don't even need to say nothing.

You know who they have a conversation with? Your quarterback. Your quarterback got to be the one to pull you to the side and talk to you. Boy, I need you. I need you. I need you to do everything right. Mike Tomlin is the problem. Mike Tomlin accept things and wins.

He wasn't in the loss. Why would he be upset now? You don't upset when he start, he wasn't in the loss. Why would he be upset now? You don't upset when he start winning. He be bulljabbing half the time when they win. Go back, chat, I want y'all to watch the tape. Watch, watch when he, you know why it's hard to get on the same page? Because he doesn't bust his ass on every round.

That's why the quarterback can't get on the same page with you, Ocho, because half the time you bullj jiving. Let's call it what it is old joke. That's why the quarterback can't get on the same page with George Pickens. Because George Pickens is lazy. He lallygags in his route. Especially if he's not getting the ball. If he ain't getting the ball, George Pickens giving you his butt to kiss. Watch it. Watch the tape. That's why a quarterback can't get on the same page because I don't know what speed he's gonna run at. That's why they take... What do you do, Ocho, in practice? You run the route like you would in the game so it times up when it comes to game. Ta-da! It's not... Listen, guys, I'm not telling you anything earth-shattering.

Listen, guys, I'm not telling you anything earth shattering. Ocho and I know how you're supposed to do certain things. And the coaches would get on us. So let me ask you a question. How do you think that's going to time up in the game if you bulljabbing in practice, considering the game is absolutely faster? Way faster. That's why you bust your butt knowing things are gonna even speed up.

So if you bull jive it and the quarterback goes one, two, three and you bull jive it, now he gotta jack the ball off. Okay, he goes one, two, three, four, five, he's looking to throw the ball. But because you didn't bust your butt in practice, he has no time. Now you want to bust your butt in the game. Now his timing is off.

Yeah. You see? That's why you practice, Ocho. So you understand. The quarterback get a feel of where the lineman's going to be. The lineman gets a feel of where the quarterback's going to be. I get a feel of the timing of the quarterback. One, two, three, so forth and so on.

I get bumped. Okay. I can't get to 12. I got to cut this thing down. You got a good jam on me. Let me take this thing down to 10. So it times up. You're not going to be able to give them the same pay to George Pickens because

George Pickens bull jives in his routes. You know what I like too, that you say about it, about how fast the game is. It's something that I, I, I, I that I learned and understood maybe by the time I got to year three, where Carson and I, we had such a, we had gelled so well and had such great chemistry and my crazy butt, you know, was always full speed in practice. The way I practiced, when I got to year three, in the game, you know how you just said the game is much faster? It got to a point to me where the game was slow. The game was slow.

It wasn't really moving slow, but the way, the way everything read it to me, it was registering slow, like I was moving like a little bit faster than the game itself. I don't know. I don't know if I'm saying it the right way for the people in the chat to get it like a game slowed down because you understood the game better. There we go. Okay. That's the, you weren't know. I don't know if I'm saying it the right way for the people in chat to get it like what a game slow Down because you understood the game better. There we go. Okay, that's the you weren't guessing you there was no longer Am I doing the right thing? I'm at the right depth Yeah, you can close your eyes and run that speed out and roll the roll the 12 like it's nothing you can run that bang

Like it ain't enough a That said that that's seven step that's seven step. That glass man, the ball right there every time. I don't need, hey, I don't need nothing. All I can close my eyes back, hey, whatever side I'm on the back foot back and I'm gonna go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And when I do this, that ball right there already gone. I know that that's what they say when the game slows down. Now you're no longer guessing. Man, the quarterback said the game, man I wonder what defense they're in. I wonder what I'm supposed to do with the ball.

You already know. Oh they're gonna give us this defense on first down. Now here's the cut here. Okay. This is what they do. But here's their counter to this what they do. Now it slows down. The game didn't really slow. You just know, you just, you slowed the game down. Now, yeah. Because you know what to do, where to be, and how to get there. And the great thing about it, and I can't wait to pick and get to this part and understand, the faster you play in practice, the slower the game becomes. Absolutely.

And I'm on Sundays. And then not only that, when the defenses come out the huddle, The faster you play in practice, the slower the game becomes. Absolutely. And then not only that, when the defense has come out the huddle, you already come out the huddle with a plan. Yes. But once you have a plan based on the play that's called, then you also have a plan based on what you see in front of you. So you understand even with the Skygers and the Sakies playing around and the Mike doing all that stuff, whatever Russell Wilson points at, you already know plan A,

and you know plan B based on what's in front of you. And when it allows you to play fast, and you can think freely, and listen. You don't have to guess, because I gotta run my ride off his alignment, Ocho. I understand that if I gotta get outside, and he's outside, I've gotta do something to make him think I'm going inside to get him inside.

Yeah, and if I'm going inside, I've got to do something outside to make him think I'm going outside because I've got to get in there. I've got the quarterback, trust me, because he's gonna throw that ball. He's gonna throw that ball on timing and it's got to be a complete or it's got to be incomplete. I can't fool him. And that's why I can't like, I'm supposed to go inside and then all of a sudden I'm a sort of bro. And then also you got that kind of time. Then you got to think, even if the ball ain't for you, even if, even you, whatever your assignment is, you got to bust your butt. You got to go outside. Maybe it's to open somebody else up. Maybe you in that corner with his back

turn, they're giving the flip. So somebody that's come from the other side, you know, maybe a shallow or something, maybe the tight end, you got to go to other people. So when you understand the offense in its totality, then you don't get what happened last week. You don't, Ocho, you know when you run cover too, you not getting the ball, we trying to get somebody down the hole.

Yeah. That's what we trying to do. We try to get them safety just wide as we can, because we want that guy, he's isolated one-on-one with the linebacker and we want it, we don't want it to be a 20-yard completion and a safety make-the-place. We want it to be a 40-yard touchdown.

Yes, sir. So I will bust my butt because guess what? I've asked Rod, I've asked Ed to bust my butt. So when they come to Z Shallow, they come to X-Biz, I've got declared because this is my opportunity to repay them for the service that they provided for me to get down the hole or for me to run the basic cross or me to run Tiger far cross. That's the way it works.

Pickens got to understand just because you're not getting the ball, that's not your chance to bulljive. Right. I think he has to understand it. I think he has to understand it. I think he has to understand that. I think no one has explained it to him that way, as opposed to, you know what, every time, every time you out there, when the offense is run,

sometimes the ball ain't coming to you. But sometimes, what you do have, it might be to open somebody else up, like it was last week. Right. But it's gonna come, it's gonna come. You gotta get it together. And you gotta get it, you gotta get together now. His attitude's going to come. It's going to come. You got to get it together. And you got to get it.

You got to get together now. His attitude to Ocho. That attitude to Ocho? Yeah. Ocho. And they got to be, listen, listen, I've never, I haven't had a chance to talk to him. If I, if I get his number, I'll talk to him. I'll talk to him.

I'll talk to him. I'll tell him, listen, well, you only get so many opportunities, baby. You're such a special talent. You can't let it go to waste. And you in the right place too. You in the right place. You don't want to go nowhere else because you go somewhere else. Boy, the grass ain't always green on the other side.

Boy, it is not green on the other side. They're not going to tolerate said behavior like the Steelers are. Because the Steelers, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? Cause you know, when you home, your parents would tolerate things. And when you go like, who told, where did you learn that? But if you notice Ocho, there's a real current thing with Steelers receivers.

You see, I mean, what is it? I don't know what, I don't think there was any overlap between Pickens and AB. I don't think there was any overlap between Deontay Johnson, with Deontay Johnson and Pickens within that locker room together, and look at their behavior. It's identical. You see what happens when you don't have culture, when you don't have someone to hold people accountable? See? when you don't have culture, when you don't have someone to hold people accountable. See, now you need a veteran presence in the locker room to say, that's not the way we do things.

Well, you got one on, you got one at quarterback. That's a veteran presence. That's a Super Bowl champion. Coach Joe, he just got there. Well, I know what you mean, but still they have, they have an end goal in mind. They have an end goal in mind. Russell Wilson understand what it takes to get to go out there in New Orleans. So if there's somebody to talk to him, not to coach, not to coach the one who

stole you the ball, Russ got to pull him aside and I'm sure he's done it already. We had a bet last year. What about your guy CC Chase Claypool? I mean, I'm just want to know how many bad receivers before coaches say, oh, one or two things, Ocho, either you coach that behavior or you condone that behavior. There's no other way around it. You coach it or you condone it. So what's going on in Pittsburgh?

Are they coaching it or are they condoning it? Right. I mean, listen, I'm not condoning it. I just say there's a way to- No, I'm asking what are they doing in Pittsburgh? Oh, okay, okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Now, I understand. I understand. Like, Plex, Plex wanted his money. Steelers didn't want to pay no money. He went elsewhere. Right.

But San Antonio Homes was Super Bowl MVP. Chase Claypool. Chase Claypool. A-B. You got Pickens, you got Deontay Johnson. Right. I just want to know, you got, I mean, hold on, a lot of these guys from Florida. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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he might hit his head on the goal post, don't choke. Yeah, I'm glad. I don't know, I don't know if he got that kind of speed. He might want to give himself. No, seriously He might want to give himself up, right? But they ain't got no time to save time. Hold on. Hold on. Let me take the braces off What happened Ross, what are you doing get your ass out of bounds? That's two times you've done that

Yard is just not important at this point in time. The clock is. Russ is too veteran of an effing quarterback to keep making these mistakes. It cost him against the Baltimore Ravens. He tried to, not all of a sudden. He's Josh Allen. He's gonna run a Tam Newton. He's gonna run somebody over with his small ass. Slide your ass down.

In this situation, get your ass out of bounds. Yardage, three yards is not more important than 15 seconds. Right. I don't get it. It's like all of a sudden these guys, Ocho, it's like the moment got too big for me, he forgot. Tell me what you thought was going on.

Ocho, tell me, you got one timeout. Why would you not go out of bounds and save that timeout as opposed to getting three yards and gotta burn it? Listen, I'm glad it went that way because I sure ain't want to lose. So at least you got to have better clock management, better understanding of the situation that you're in. It's called situation of football.

Oh yeah. And the really good ones, they understand. Oh yeah, big time. Russ is two veteran. And the really, and the really good ones. Yeah. They understand. Oh yeah. Big time. It's us is two veteran. 15, 15 that they can't see it. There's a reason you get paid 500 million now. There's a reason.

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and wherever you get your podcast. I just, I'm like, bro, I'm like, bro, it's just hard to win when guys in situations, they don't understand and then you got, you got your, Ocho, it's hard when your best players have bad attitudes. You see, because the thing is, Ocho, you don't want to get rid of that guy and then have him have that attitude. Have good, good, good attitude. Because you whatever the case, because we saw what happened in Minnesota with Randy. They wanted to move on. He goes to the Raiders. He didn't feel he didn't feel appreciated. They wouldn't give him the opportunity. And then, you know, he

goes to he goes to New England and we see what happens. He would have a little rate is like, bro, why couldn't, why couldn't we get that? Hey, listen, that's why, that's why you have to be cautious. That's why you have to be cautious, you know, and, and have a little grace and a little leeway for players like that of that caliber that are special. George Pickens ain't no regular receiver. He ain't just nobody. But here's the thing though, Ocho.

He's a special talent. Eventually, eventually that behavior is going to rear its head. And it reared his head in New England, didn't it? Because guess what? And the one guy that wasn't going to put up with that behavior is you. You're playing for the guy. So what's the guy's name that's not going to put up with that behavior? No matter how great you are, what's his name, Ocho?

Bill Belichick. You know what, when I think about that situation, when I go back to it and think about it, remember, he didn't really do nothing, he just said, I want my money. He just wanted to get paid. No, it was more toward than that, Ocho. It was? It was more toward than that. It was?

Yeah. Okay, and you probably know what it's gonna be better than me. And then they traded to Tennessee. Okay, he goes to Tennessee, then what happened? Different offense too, boy. Ocho, you see? Now, Minnesota, Oakland, New England, Tennessee, Minnesota again, live teams.

Remember 49ers? We keep blaming the teams. Huh? Remember 49ers? The 49ers were the last stop. They went there, they went to the Super Bowl and then he hung it up after that. Yeah. I just don't get it, Ocho, because the thing is, is that you can steal a year.

If you're a great player, they'll allow you to steal a year. A year? You can steal a year. If you're a great player, they'll allow you to steal a year. A year? You can steal a few. See? See now you cooking. Now you cooking. Now you can steal a few. Especially if you ain't no pro.

Shh. See, see now you cooking with Crisco. See before you was cooking with Pam. You was like life ain't good. You ain't want to clog your arteries. Now you got Crisco. You about to burn the house down. Oh yeah.

You know exactly what I'm talking about. They will allow you to steal a year. A year? You can steal a few. See? See now you cooking. Now you ain't what you ain't want to clog your arteries. Yeah, you got Chris go. You got to burn the house down. Oh, yeah. You know exactly what I'm talking about. It will allow you to steal a couple of years with a good attitude. Yeah.

Yeah. All right, Ocho. Let's go to Pittsburgh is ended the season regular season on four consecutive losses. How hard is it as a team to turn a slide around once you get to the playoffs? Oh that's a good one so that's that's four game four or five games lost in a row. Four. They lost four consecutive games. You lost four in a row? I mean what do you know I'm trying to think I mean what can you do outside of play better

offensive because the reason they haven't played well is because the offense has been abysmal to pass forward. Yeah. They've been bad as opposed to how they looked before. They look really good. I'm not sure what's going on with Arthur Smith and the play calling or Russ and his ability to facilitate the ball to the receivers. I don't know what it is. Huh?

I, I honestly, I can't tell you. I just know from an off in the standpoint, they've been able to run it. Okay. But the passing game hasn't been what it should be. And then the receivers, I don't know what I'm going to get. First of all, you remember pink mystery games. Yeah. But when he's in, I mean, if he's supposed to roll 10, I don't know,

because on that speed out, that 10 rolled a 12. Yeah. Ocho, that thing, you got to throw it on time. Yeah. Ain't no, I'm going to wait until he get, I'm going to wait until, this ain't college. In the NFL, it's different between NFL and college. In NFL, you throw people open. In college, you can wait till they get open.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. These guys are too good, they study too much film, and you throw a ball, waiting till they get open in the NFL? It's going the other way. They gonna pick it. It's going the other way. I'm just gonna say, are you gonna pick it? It's really that simple.

And it's hard, I think we lost solo. We lost three or four. We lost to Pittsburgh. Who we lose to? Lost to San Fran, we lost to Pittsburgh, San Fran. We lost three or four. But we won, we lost three games. Then we won the final game of the season against Seattle.

And then we had a home game because back then Ocho we are we were the I don't know what we were I think there's only three divisions back there but anyway we had a home game we got one home game and then we had to go on the road we had to go to Kansas City and we had to go to Pittsburgh but the thing was is that the teams that we were playing Ocho we we had already played. So it was a lot of familiarity and we felt that because they beat us, they really weren't going to change anything, which gave us an opportunity to change a lot

about what we did, because if I win Ocho, why would I, why would I change anything? I would. We knew that. Right. We know you're not going to change anything. I would. We knew that. Right. We know you're not going to change anything. Can't help yourself. Then now we take it, now we took advantage of that. Right. But it's tough. But like I said, Ocho, I think me personally, I think the Steelers overachieve. I don't think they're a great

team. You don't think so? I don't look at them as a great team, no. I never thought they had. But they're not a great team offensively, they're a great team defensively. That's their identity. Their identity has always been offense. Well, as opposed to when Rothenberger was there, they were off with the juggernaut then. Yeah. Even the defense was good.

And I think about my era, oh my goodness. Yeah, but here's the thing. The Steenas have always prided themselves on defense until they got Big Ben. And then all of a sudden they started getting those receivers and they started throwing the football. So when they got, they had Ben, they had Le'Veon, they had AB, they was like, we're just gonna outscore you.

Well, they were nasty then, boy. Oh, absolutely. Cause they could run it, they could throw it. Big defense was like, we're just going to outscore you. Well, they were nasty then, boy. Oh, absolutely. Because they could run it, they could throw it. The defense was good, but the championship level teams that they have, it was still a defensive-based football team. When they had Lamar Woodley, they had James Harrison, they had Ferrier, they had Foote, they had Troy, they had Ike, they had Ryan Clark.

Whoop. They were a defensive team. Boy, they were nice, boy. Boy, they were nice. They had Keive team. Boy, they were nice, boy. Boy, they were nice. They had Keisel. Oh yeah, with the beard. Yeah, Aaron Smith.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kimo, Kimo. Didn't they have Aaron Smith with it? Kimo Van Orflink, Kimo. Yeah, Kimo Van Ohalk. Yeah, man, he hurt Carson, man. Russ said after the game, I'm not blinking on George Pickens. If anybody believes in him, I definitely do.

There we go. That's what I'm talking about. That's quarterback. Quarterback got to say that. Now, after you say what you need to say in front of the media, pull his ass, pull him aside, and then talk to him. Not know any kind of talk. I'm talking about on the corner. Nah, he ain't ready to have that kind of talk. First of all, that's not Russ's personality. Excuse me, Ocho. Yeah, but I mean that's what Russ, you know, Russ got that in him.

Russ got that in him. Russ got to talk to him like that. He anointed. You can't talk to him like that. Ocho, you know when you anointed, you can't talk to people like that. That means you need't talk to people like that. Hey, listen, you need to talk to it. Hey, even the pastor, even the pastor, pull you to the side and then step out the pulpit and talk to you the right way. Now, Russ got that in him. You got it. He got the tongue from that way to get him to under. On the other hand,

then he let me talk to him. Cause what I'm anointed with, right?'t gonna get me into the pearly gates. So I'm gonna ask for forgiveness. Oh, Joe, the Ravens captured the AFC third seed and will play host to either the Chargers or the Steelers next week in the wild card round of the playoffs. Lamar capped the historic season with a performance today. He was 16 of 32, 217 yards, two touchdowns. He rushed nine times for 63 yards.

He became the first player in NFL history with 4,000 passing yards, 900 rushing yards. And he's the first player, Aaron Rodgers, to throw more than 40 touchdowns with fewer than five interceptions. And he just finished, Jordan, open this up. He finished with the second highest quarterback rating in NFL history behind Aaron Rodgers.

So he's the second quarterback to go 40 and fewer than five. He finished with the second highest quarterback rating. He's the first quarterback in NFL history with 40 plus fast and touchdowns and 900 yards rushing and his team won the division. Yeah. Guys look, I know it's gonna be close and I know Josh Allen's had a phenomenal season and I don't know if anybody thought that Josh Allen considering what he lost with Gabe Davis, with uh uh Stefan Diggs leaving, Trevarius White, Micah Hyde, Justin Poirier.

He lost a lot. But how do I deny, how, how, how, Ocho, do I deny this? Yeah, it's hard. How do I deny it? It's hard and listen when you look at him you look at Lamar's what Lamar's been able to do especially his numbers this year How do you say he's not the MVP? But I could tell you one thing about the voters I could tell you one thing about the voters despite what we may think despite was right there in your face Statistically and what Lamar's been able to do this season, they will find a way, they will find a way to move the goalpost. Whatever their reasoning may be, I'm not sure what it may be, because they just want to

give it to Josh Allen, because Josh Allen has had a phenomenal year with less. He's had a phenomenal year with less. Now what they will take into account when it comes to who they decide to be the MVP, I don't know. I wish Josh, wait, when the Bills play? They'll play tomorrow. Okay. But Josh Allen ain't playing.

No. See, I wish he was playing. I honestly, just for me, just for the sake of the race and the talk of the MVP, I wish he was playing so he could put on one last show, one last show. And because based on what Lamar Jackson did today, that really seals the deal for me. You know, I'm not, I'm not a voter. I'm not the one voting. So if the vote is already in, then it's already been made regardless of what Lamar Jackson did today or not.

Because if it's based off his last performance and what he's done in the totality of the season is going to goddamn Lamar Jackson. I don't see how it could not. And the first thing I'll say was, well, damn, well he had Derrick Henry. That could be the only argument. Yeah. And the thing is Derrick Henry might take some vote from Lamar. Yeah. I mean, because he had what?

19, 19 hundred yards is 16 touchdowns. Second most rush yards in Baltimore history. Obviously, Jamal has the record at 2066. The most rush touchdowns in a single season, 16. He's the first guy with an NFL history to have two seasons in which he's rushed for over 1900 yards. Um, Edie, uh, in his rookie season rush for 18, 18, and then he came back in second season and went 21, 05. Uh, Derek Henry could have easily had he not gotten hurt that year. There was a year that Derek Henry was ahead of the pace in which he broke the, when he had over 2000 yards.

He was ahead of that pace the following year got injured and missed the rest of the season. So, theoretically, he might have had three 1,900 yard season or maybe even another 2,000 yard season, I don't know. But I think with what he's done, he's definitely played himself into a first ballot Hall of Famer. I haven't been around him a whole lot, Ocho, but a little bit of time I've been around him. I really like D. Henry. I really like him. He's a great guy. Um, you could tell he worked hard. He takes his stuff serious. First of all, it's hard for guys that, that go to Alabama to not work hard. Yeah. You're not going to not work hard on Sabin Watch. That's not going to happen. It's in on.

So it's kind of like if you go to New England, you know if you get somebody from New England, Ocho, for the most part, especially if they got drafted in New England, oh, they gonna work hard. You know what you get. Cause Coach Belichick don't play that foolishness. But look, I used to have a vote, I had a vote for a decade when I was at CBS.

I no longer have a vote, Ocho. But for me, I would vote, my eyes tells me that this is the MVP, he's had an MVP season, and I believe he will have earned the award, not deserved. I believe he will have earned the award with his play. But I can understand that some people don't vote for Josh Yeller for the very reason that you said. He's done, he's won more games with less.

He doesn't have a thousand yard receiver. He doesn't have anybody going to the Pro Bowl other than offensive lineman, Deion Dawkins. Zay Plow is going to the Pro Bowl. Lamar Sinha is going to the Pro Bowl. Dick Henry is going to the Pro Bowl. Lamar Jackson is going to the Pro Bowl. Marlon, Marlon Humphries going to the Pro Bowl. Hamilton, the All World Safety going to the Pro Bowl. Madeline Bicoy going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah. So I understand, Ocho, I do understand the boat of this.

It was Shannon. Look at what he's done with far less talent. Okay. But boy, when I look at this and this, and the argument is you go back and look at some of those Drew Brees seasons. Drew Brees had 5,000 yards and 40 chest dives and didn't win MVP. Yeah.

It's just, man, when I just watch Lamar, I mean 4,000 yards, I would have never believed it, Ocho. Cause all I said, if he can get his arm to 85% of his legs, he's going to be a multiple time MVP. Because his legs are ridiculous. Well, now his arm is 90% of his leg, and this is what you get. Now, had he wanted to, could he have been 4,000 or 1,000? Yeah, he could have. He could have.

Easily. Listen, you tell me, he could have. He could have. Easily. Listen, he could have. He still might. He got a long way to go, boy. Yeah. Yeah. But I think I don't think the thing is, Ocho, that's not on his mind anymore. He can throw the ball so much so he don't rely on it. He's not nearly. Right. Because now he used to like get the ball is broke down. He's looking to run.

Now, if it breaks down, he's looking to buy time to throw it. Oh yeah. He gonna let some guys, hey, before I absolutely have to take off Ocho and put this thing under my arm, I'm going to let you guys get some time. Okay, likely, get open. Okay, Andrews, I'm gonna give you an opportunity.

Okay, Flowers, okay, baby, I'm gonna give you guys a chance to get open. I don't wanna run, but I'll do it. Right. Hey like Gator told us a bum. I don't hey Don't make me hit a hole later over here. Mama. I'll do it Happy say mama Gator she asked him say Gator what happened to the TV? It's a damn it mama. I smoked the TV Hey, you know, you know the extent of Zay Flowers injury? I hope he's okay. He good. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. He scared me a little bit when he grabbed him. When he grabbed him the way that... Yeah it looked like maybe

something he got maybe some just like a little bone bruise or something. Other dude he had knees with the dude on the way. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Okay okay okay okay. Cuz you know hey man hey and you know at least now Ocho they play with knee pads. You know we used to get that hard ass dirt we have no knee pads. At all nothing. Knee pads, no thigh pads they got hey they got knee pads, thigh pads hell I mean some would probably run it back where uh heel pads. Yeah. But we was out there just basically we had on tights. Yeah. To make a long story short we had on tights because we had them taking all the all the inner workings of our paint game lining out and cut all that out but all that out y'all know who started it we

started it y'all think the y'all think the Broncos oh to my back then when uh yes yes okay yes we cut our pants and then you had the shoestring for the belt to tie it up. Yeah. But the first person to actually, I want to give Ricky Jackson, Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw that had no pads in his pain. Right. And I was like, man, we didn't let you do that?

I went out there like, hey, you feel so light on your, you don't act like, oh. And I remember when I came to practice and might ask like 84 you gonna play in the game like that I'm like, yeah, he's like, okay There's on you. Hey It's long however, he's they come to practice. However, you going to play in the game, right? Now day everyone playing that day reason a little if you get if you don't have no pads in and you get a five rules, I'm gonna find you.

Let me go and put this thing in. Let me go put these five, oh, J, let me go put these five pads in. Then let me go home and put them in there. I already want to, I already want to, I already want to know how to worry about that. It's so funny when we used to know, have to worry about that. It's so funny. When we used to practice, right, with Belichick in New England, you could play in the game however you want to. But Bill in practice, he had everybody looking like the goddamn mannequin in the damn,

you know, the mannequin in the equipment room. Yeah. And it could be on the wall, on high-respo. Yeah, he got an elbow pad. He got a little hand pad we used to have when we were little kids. Yeah, Bill makes everybody you gotta have your knee pads in, your thigh pads in, no matter how you play the game. Really? Yeah, I'm like.

Oh my God. Like what do we do for it? That would be crazy. Man, he ain't play that. If you ain't, I remember I went out there one time, I'm thinking, you know, I'm a veteran, he not gonna trip. Yeah, I go, I'm out there, took the gonna trip. Yeah, I go I'm out there took the lining out my pants No knee pad no fat pad man bill sent me in that sent me right back in I had to change my pants get some new pants and put my thigh pads and knee pads ain't just for practice

Boy, hey that was a Mike like hey's like, hey, if you don't play, if you don't play with no knee pads, no thigh pads, you can't practice without them. Well, hey, I ain't have nothing but hell with the shoulder pads. That's all I had. I didn't have no thigh pads. I didn't play with no mouthpiece. Right. I said, bro, I don't have time.

I done slapped hands with somebody, I done hit somebody on their ass, good, they made a good play. And you think I'm gonna reach in my mouth and pull my mouthpiece out? No. And plus, I wanna be able to talk ish on command. F you.

Me too, yeah. Sorry, Bon Faut. Uh-huh. I ain't got no mouthpiece, just a mouthful of gold. That's it. Yeah. I had them three sticks of Big Red in my mouth. I was good. Rebel fresh talking cash ish.

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