Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Blame Jerry Jones, Joe Burrow’s talent being wasted, Josh Allen MVP frontrunner

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Cooper Rush & the Dallas Cowboys getting their butts kicked by C.J. Stroud, Joe Mixon and the Houston Texans on Monday Night football, 34-10. Later, Unc and Ocho debate if Joe Burrow is being wasted by the Cincinnati Bengals, Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen officially passes Lamar Jackson and Jared Goff as frontrunner for NFL MVP but are adamant that Lamar will still win and much more!03:12 - Show start03:30 - Intro04:46 - Texans beat Cowboys 34-1022:36 - Belichick top of list for Jerry Jones’ options31:00 - Cowboys v Bengals looks appealing39:25 - Money Moves49:30 - Daniel Jones demoted58:34 - Rough Draft Best Wide Receivers(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Texas beat the Cowboys by the score of 34 to 10. I predicted the final score would be 27-13. They got several more points. Dallas got three fewer points. But anytime you allow Cooper Rush to throw the ball 55 times, you get exactly, you deserve, you earn what you get.

Yes, sir. An ass whipping. That's what the Cowboys got. That's what they earn. And it can actually. Ain't no way in hell Cooper Rush supposed to throw the ball 55 times. So the fact that they don't have a running game,

how did you expect them to be able to move the ball up and down the field? Clearly ain't got a passing game either. They throw 55 times, they got 10 points. The offensive line is terrible, Ocho. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I watch Zach Martin. If Zach Martin is going to the Hall of Fame

on the first balance, I watch him get beat with a swim move, three consecutive plays. One for a sack, he got rid of the ball, and the next play, boom. Three consecutive plays. He's not, he's not. Ayds, Barnett was wearing the guy with the swim.

Yeah, he's not the same. Who's the other guy? De'Nell Hunter. Yes, sir. De'Nell Hunter was doing, we like, he's on the dance floor. He hit him with the swim one move, he hit him with the rip, then he turned his back and spin. He do it like, man, I'm just clowning.

And Michael looking on the sideline, he looking at the jumbotron, thinking to himself, and I know exactly what he's thinking. Damn, I wish I could rush against these sorry mofo's. I have me by eight sacks in a game. Yeah, he would. But they're bad. The offensive line is bad.

The defensive line isn't any good. Jerry didn't address the issue as far as being able to stop the run. They wanna play for a lead, with a lead. But I don't show what happens when you don't get a lead. It's the issue as far as being able to stop the run. They wanna play from where they lead, but I don't care what happens when you don't get a lead. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. If you can't get the lead

and a team can just run the bludgeon you, now what do you got? You got a bunch of undersized guys that can't stand up against the rush. Mixon, 20 rushes, 109 yards, three touchdowns. They had to ran 25 times for a buck 41. Mixon had all three tubs. CJ 23 of 34, 257, no touchdowns, one of the exceptions.

Office of Line did a great job, only gave up one sack. While the Texas defense got after Cooper Rush, sacked him five times. They should have picked him off another two or three times. I mean, the ball hit the guy right in the chest. Stingley had one drop. Yeah. I think it's Harrison.

He had one dropped it, but the Cowboys look at this point in time, Ocho. I'll just play, I would just play, uh, Trey Lance. So, because what are you hoping for? Just go try to get the worst pick you could possibly pick. It's time to rebuild. Your offensive line is trash from, from left to right. Right. If all of that, except I mean, Smith, you can work with Smith.

Uh, I think it's a time, uh, time Smith. Yeah. You can work with him, but the rest of them. Listen, it's, it's, it's, it's always been time to rebuild for them. Obviously for, for Dak's sake. And before Dak is able to come back, there's only so much the Cowboys can do. There's only so much Jerry Jones can do as far as rebuilding is concerned.

You can't build every goddamn aspect of your team. You can only do so much in offensive line. You can only do so much on the defensive line. To be able to get pieces in there that can be adequate, that can hold up where you can compete at the level you need to compete at, to compete for a championship, or you so say. Jerry Jones is a little bit stubborn.

I think he doesn't know. Maybe, maybe you can see it. If you can see it and the rest of the world can see it. I'm not sure he can, because the things that he's going to need to do to make the move necessary to compete, he's probably not going to want to spin. So I think that's going to be a problem. It's going to be kind of a, kind of a of a pulling tug for him and thinking he knows what he needs to do to be able to compete and win when he doesn't even know.

Wait, hold on. What people, how do you say it the right way? Where he says, I'm the GM. I'm the one that knows what needs to be done. Yeah. He says nobody can do a better job. He said no one can do a better job than him. The team that he has assembled, he feels it's adequate enough to be able to compete.

So he's not going to listen. You can see it clear as day. I can see it clear as day. The Cowboy fans, they probably can see it clear as day. They finally starting to see it if they haven't seen it. I don't think he's not going to make any moves. And then I hear all the speculation, but I don't want to jump into that part yet because I'm sure we're going to talk about that.

But go ahead. The Cowboy, they have a long way to go. They have a long way to go. Oh Joe, but you're saying a complete rebuild. Normally when people redo their house, they do the kitchen. Yeah. And they say they do it taking a step. Yeah. They do the kitchen, then they'll do the bathroom.

They'll do the den. They might do the lawn, might do the roof. They don't, everybody, everybody don't do a complete restoration at once. But because Jerry has allowed everything to get so dilapidated, he has no choice. You cannot do a bathroom rebuild when your roof leaking. You can't do a roof restoration when your house is infested with rats. Right. That's what Jerry has allowed to happen.

Yes, sir. He has a run down dilapidated building, both literally and figuratively, because you saw a paneling dropping from the ceilings. Yeah. Yeah. From the ceiling. So that's what has happened. Because you can't tell him nothing, it's hard to tell a man something

that's worth that amount of money. See? And a lot of times you have yes men around you because they tell you what you want to hear not what you need to know. Nobody is telling Jerry, Jerry, actually honestly dad, honestly Jerry, you're doing a terrible job. Ain't nobody gonna say that. Exactly. You can't. That's why he said. You get your water cut off. You get your water cut off. You can't say that. They ain't nobody, exactly. You can't, that's why he said. You get your water cut off. You get your water cut off. You can't say that. Right. What are you saying?

Nobody has told him. Remember we was talking about the tours that come through when the players are there? He said, nobody ever told me that it was a problem. Yeah, like somebody gonna tell you Jerry, what the hell are you doing? It's a problem, of course not. You're acting like, especially during football season,

you're acting like it's a goddamn museum. It is. That's how he treats it. But I don't know. They haven't won a game at home. And the game that they're losing, they lost the last six home games. 30-40 teams.

Over 20-40. 30-40-6, 47-9. The closest they came to winning was was the Ravens and the Ravens have them down really bad but they fought back they lost 28 25 they lost 44 19 48 32 in their last they trail by at least 20 points in all six games and NFL record yeah and Jerry claimed but he all in I don't I don't think he understands what all in me, but he, he all in. I don't, I don't, I don't think he understands what all in me. I think he meant, he meant all in as far as the two players are concerned that was supposed to get paid and they didn't even, they weren't even all in because

they didn't get paid on time to be in goddamn time for practice. It should have been mini camp. They should have been. I don't know what, what'd he say? Oh Joe, what I don't know what CD would have got on a practice. He'd have got a chemistry. I mean for them the guys to lead the league in respect and Yes, Ocho this year you would have never knew that CD had played with that. Yeah. Yeah, and That that tells not only the casual fan, but it tells it tells Jerry How important all the things that you do,

the necessary steps that are taken in the off season, how important that is before the season even hits. You don't know what you don't know. And what you do, you surround yourself with people that do your people supposed to be like mirrors, your rear view. Yeah. Because sometimes objects are closer than they appear. Yeah.

Hey, hey, hey. Sound like my grandma. But Jerry can't see that. Jerry can't see the forest for the trees. And because he wants to be the smartest guy in the room, and he's not, he's not, he's not. Jerry doesn't know fronts. Jerry doesn't know coverages. Jerry doesn't know formations.

He doesn't know protections. He doesn't. And it He doesn't and it's okay But it's the pretending like he does That's that's what hurts me right if you don't know like Clark Hunt doesn't know Virginia McCasker She doesn't know right Steve Bichotte. He doesn't know owners don't know that right Jerry doesn't know it either But he pretends and he liked to be trying to fool the fans Well, I nobody could do that Jerry you don't know bro, and it's okay. I Don't know everything that I need to know But I like to think I'm surrounding myself with enough good people that do know that can help Shannon in areas where he's weak, right?

Guides you in the right direction in the Bible the old man used to pray in the church Oh Joe, they say God strengthen me where I'm weak Build me up where I'm torn down. You see what you see what I'm saying? I'm weak in an area I need you to strengthen me there and if I'm up here bring me down Hold on stop right there. Hold on I'll be thinking about it. Them guys have lost 34 to 10, 34 to 6, 47 to 9, 28, 25 was the closest they came to having a victory at home. They lost 44 to 19, and they lost 48 to 32.

Look at the numbers that they're giving up. That deep. Hold on. God, strengthen me. Now, that's a good one there. Strengthen me where I'm weak. See that's what Jay build me up where I'm touring down. But I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let Jerry, but you know what? I think the fans are starting to see Jerry full of caca. Jerry doesn't know nearly as much as he says he does. It is not it's not the fact that if you

know what, people can understand if you don't know something, it's the pretending. Yeah, that you do know. And they allow people to see Jerry know what the hell he was talking about. Yeah, he don't. Oh, Joe, did you hear those scores? 30, 14? 30, 46, 47, nine?

28, 25? I'll be looking at all these 40s. 48, 44, 47. And you remember the Lions? The Lions running back shoulder phase to a tackle. Yeah, hey. Running a flea flicker to a tackle. Yeah, play just. They ran a flea flicker to a tackle. Yes. A. Running a flea flicker to a tackle. Yeah. They ran a flea flicker to a tackle.

The Lions, they just making up stuff. They doing backyards for the ball. Well hell, you know the funny thing, we'll give them a pass on the line, because the Lions doing everybody like that. They just hung 52. They just hung 52 on the goddamn Jags. Oh Joe, they could have hung, if they weren't Joe, hey, hey, they could have hung for, if they weren't to call all them down,

they'd have hung for 50 on the Cowboys. Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, that's the situation, oh Joe, you know when you playing little league football and you blowing somebody out, and they're like, hey coach, can I get there? And the head coach is livin'. They put in the big fat ass in there running back.

God, you blowing the doors off somebody. They got a Lyon in there. He got number 73 on there and you handed him the ball. Right. And he gonna run a touchdown. That's what the Lions were doing to the Cowboys. Yeah. And that defense. Y'all ain't got no. Do you got any pride? Do you got any pride? Yeah you got. If anything if you don't play for the star on the helmet at least play for the star on the helmet, at least play for the last name on the back. The name on the back?

The last name on the back of the jersey. I cannot have my name look down on- Nobody's walking away, that's what I see. Yeah, on camera, on camera, that name and that number, I need mine to always stick out. I don't care how the situation is around us, I don't care how bad it is. But when they turn on that film,

there's one thing that won't pop out. I mean, if I was a cow, it gets out, Joe, it might have got out of hand and had to call that Nico Collins played back the first play of the game. How you give up 80 plus yards on the first play of the game, Mocho? First play the first play. Hey, can you help me understand something? How the referee said is a lineman tooth.

Wait, how you say it? Lime too far down. Ineligible man downfield. What is the lineman doing? Do they not know they have to stay behind the line of scrimmage and not go forward? I think he can be one. I think he can be what? One to two yards down the field.

He wasn't that far down on the field field. But you saw later in the game, how many passing affairs did they call in Dallas favorite? Trying to make it a ball game. Dallas too good to even benefit from penalty. I don't know why y'all calling y'all just wasted time. Y'all just drawing out the game. Yeah, you're right. If I called a Cowboys game, I beat my penalty.

I done called and got me some General Joe's chicken and some Moo Moo Guy pants. Y'all live in in the back. Y'all have been in the back. My Chinese, my Chinese will get cold. F y'all, I already know y'all know some bull jive. As a matter of fact, I been telling my wife to sew my flag in my pants. I can't pull it out.

Right. It's bad over there, Um. It is terrible. It is bad. So how do you think outside of having to revamp the offensive line, the defensive line and getting a little, some bigger hogs, for the lack of better terms upfront,

you got that in the draft? You're not finding nobody in the draft. But you don't have a choice, little Joe, just like they found Zack Martin, just like they found Tyron Smith, once they have, what was the guy, Travis, what was the guy in the center? Travis Frederick. OK.

Once Travis Frederick was the anchor, they drafted. I mean, they went consecutive years where they drafted all pros. Right. And what happened was Frederick had an injury that he left early than what he all pros. Right. And what happened was Frederick had an injury that he left early than what he should have. Right. And they let Tyron Smith's injuries pile up. They didn't have an adequate replacement. Zack Martin. So guess what happened? Everybody gets old and starts to deteriorate at the same time. Right. Now what you got, Ocho? You ain't got nothing.

You ain't got nothing. Zack Martin is not the same and everybody else is, is bare minimum at best. And I hate, I hate saying that. I hate saying it. No, these are NFL players. These are the best of the best, but to compete at the level that they need to again, to compete at the level that they need to week in and week out, is bare minimum. Not even close Ocho. And that's Yeah, it's very, very not even not even close or Joe. And that's what that's what happens.

If you wait until your car's on his last leg, it's too late. Oh, Joe, that's a good one. That's why that's why you're supposed to get a service all the time. That's why you're supposed to check. Yes, sir. But they were such great players and I get it. But even if you have to draft their replacement and play them at other positions, until they're ready to move on. Now you got your left tackle and waiting. Now you got your right guard and waiting. Now you're going to have to develop these guys on the fly. And the likelihood of you getting,

I mean, look, think about how long it was they had Larry Allen. Think about how long it took him to get from Larry Allen leaving until they got Zack Martin. Yeah, but that's a long time boy. Or when they had hotel at them flows there. Now flows there wasn't what Tyron Smith is. Right. Tyron Smith is a future Hall of Famer, but he let the roster get, he let the offensive roster go down too much and defensively because you know why?

Because he was too busy blaming coaches. He let the fans talk him in and say, it's the coaches fault. It was Mike Nolan's fault. It was Monty Kiffin's fault. It was Chris Richard's fault. It was always someone else's fault than what the players,

because see, I can't blame the players because I picked those. See, if I say it's the players, that's going to reflect negative on me. Right. See, I can change the coach and like, Oh yeah, Hey, it was time for him to move on. But if I say that is the direct tie to me. Right. And what's the other Martin wasn't Rob Maranello, the coaching Dallas.

Yeah. They, they blamed everybody on Joe. They blamed everybody. They done ran out of people to blame now. And guess what? Jerry done fired everybody. They done blamed everybody. Now, he's the last man standing.

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Wasabi hot cloud storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. According to Adams as Shepter, Bill Belichick seen as a likely to be among Jerry Jones top head coach options. Shepter said lots of speculation swirling about the Cowboys, what the Cowboys would do. Right. People have even thought about Coach Belichick having been spotted in Dallas last week. It can be confirmed that Bill Belichick was in Dallas last week, but it was the, it wasn't to meet with the Cowboys.

It was for a previous speaking engagement. Still, that doesn't start the idea that there are people across the league who continue to believe that coach Belichick will be one of the top considerations for Jerry Jones after the season. Bill was not pleased with Dallas effort tonight against Joe Mixon. Go tackle him. You wear pants for a reason. Go tackle him. I don't see it. I don't see it. If you understand, for those that are in the chat, if you understand how Bill is, if you understand how he runs his ship, how he runs his ship, one of the main things that he talks about is not talking.

No bulletin board material. Keeping quiet and to have an owner like Jerry Jones at the front center of everything. I think maybe he would like it in a sense, the fact that it takes away from him having to talk and be in front of the camera and in front of the media. He takes that spotlight. I think it's something that Bill might not like, but I think it gives too much Boon to Board material to the other team and unnecessary pressure on the players as well.

But what happens when coach Belichick comes in and say, this roster is not good enough to compete. Everybody on that roster is there at the behest of Jerry. How is that gonna make Jerry look when he said, nobody can do a better job selecting these players than me. And coach Belichick comes in there and says, we're not good enough. Yeah, I mean, that's the, listen,

that's a conversation that would be had way beforehand. I'm not sure if even, you know, Bill was able to even think about taking the job in Dallas. I mean, he would understand. Obviously, I don't have a goddamn roster to be able to compete. And he would probably tell Jerry, you know, knowing Bill, who is a very, very honest, if you're able to talk to him one on one, man, Jerry, you're lying not only to yourself, you're lying to the fans. Yeah, you got some some fools on your neck, bro. I do. Yeah. You got it. I got it. Yeah, you did. Yeah.

Go ahead. It's gone. Yeah. OK, OK, I appreciate that. Appreciate what you're going to do, because you could just have me up here all fussy the whole show. I appreciate that. Yeah. Hey, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm not going to be able to do it. Right. It's not going to work. It's just hard. And I know people have said that Coach Belichick says he doesn't need control, but it's hard. When you've had control for two plus decades to all of a sudden says, you know what? I answered to a GM or I got a pro personnel director and I got to answer to the owner when you've never had.

You have a direct line of communication straight to the owner. It I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's just hard for me to believe to see a scenario that he can just give up that kind of autonomy when he's had it for such a long time. You would have to understand the way bill runs his ship and know it. And I don't need you in my way. I don't need you in my way and doing what it takes to build a contender. I know what it takes.

You've done it before. You have some whole rings. I have some whole rings. I think if I'm not mistaken, Bill has two more than the Cowboys, right? He has six. The Cowboys have five. But he has two as a defensive coordinator. So he has eight total. He won two with the Cowboys have five. Okay, one more. But he has two as a defensive coordinator.

So he has eight total. Damn. He won two with the Giants. He was the D coordinator with the Giants in 86 and then 90. Listen, if at that point Jerry should, you know what, I give you the range. If I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking,

if it's ever to happen, Jerry has to take a seat. He got to take a back seat. Let Bill does what he's already done. He's already done. He knows what it takes. And this time in this era, he knows what the roster needs to look like. He knows what pieces need to do when it comes draft. When it comes draft time, nobody does it better than Bill. When it comes to breaking down film and understanding what type of players I

need to build a goddamn team, where Jerry relinquish that power, Jerry like names, Bill, like guys that fit a particular scheme. He likes smart players. He liked players that fit a safety. It'll be a certain size of linebacker to be a certain size. Defensive linemen to be a certain size is hard. Everybody can't play D line in a scheme because it's D line is to eat up players and let the linebacker free flow and go make plays.

That's how, that's how he operates. He is a two gap guy. Yeah. Uh, he doesn't want you to run the football. Everybody has a responsibility to do your responsibility. And I think this is work. I'm going to put you in the right situation for you to do your job, but, uh, it's going to be very interesting to see what the Cowboys do for the rest of the

season. Oh, show a piece of metal falls from the stadium shortly after opening the roof and nearly lands on people. While the roof was being open for the first time since 2022, it was then closed after the incident. See, you talk about Spirit Airlines and AT&T Stadium falling apart. But you got, hold on, that stadium opened up in what,

2009, 2010? So I mean, theoretically, Ocho, it's kind of outdated. If you looking at it, oh man, if you looking at it, Ocho, man, these teams flipping these stadiums around, man. Look at the Georgia Dome. The Georgia Dome. Have you seen SoFi? They got Mercedes Benz.

You seen SoFi? Yes. Oh my God. SoFi, because, look my god. SoFi because and look and they have a lot of events at Jerry's World because that's the way the the the the building plays for itself is that you know how many events can you have there? How many truck pulls and concerts and other football games and

basketball games? How many other events other than NFL football games can you have at a venue? So far, it's like, look, we're gonna have the opening ceremonies, we're gonna have, I think they got the World Cup. Yeah, they got so many, they got so many events that's gonna be held in so far. Right. And that's what you got to get the latest and greatest. Yes, sir. You got to put the sweets because that's where you make the lion's share of your money. Because people are playing 500,000, a million dollars, $2 million every year. You want to get you want to get a sweet? Yeah. Yeah.

And you got to pay for the food that's going in there. Okay. Okay. So you don't get the sweet is one thing you got to pay and that stuff ain't cheap. No. Hell, I think we've paid $12 for a can of beer when Ray and I had a sweet on the 50 yard line. I mean, we had, we had, we had a great deal. I mean, we had a great deal. I mean, ain't two of the players have a sweet on the 50 yard line. I mean, we had a great deal. I mean, we had a great deal. I mean, ain't two of the players have a suite on the 50 yard line? Well, that's what our suite, Ray and our suite was right next to Mr. Mondea. Well, all right, can't call him Mr. Restless.

So he rolled it over. Talk about what I tell you by calling me Mr. Mondea. All right. Yeah, that's very expensive. But as you see, I think the Bronx, I mean, mile high, uh, it was safe. Co and best cause it's nice. Cause I don't know what it is to stadium at my high. They're looking to do a new stadium. Uh, you see, uh, Kansas city is about to do upgrades. So would you feel they're about to move out a little further than they're about to build a new stadium.

It's just, that's just the way it is. Oh, it's just state of the, you gotta go state of the art, uh, because you gotta have more things than just, uh just NFL football played in that building. And you got to have luxury suites. You got to have all these bells and whistles. You need to have. Five star Michelin star chefs preparing the food and things of that nature. Yeah, it's a it's a different ballgame.

I mean, going to it used to be you go to the ballgame, which I to watch the game now you go to these. It's to the ball game, Ocho, to watch the game. Now you go to these, it's an experience. Oh yeah, most definitely, most definitely. It's an experience. They got fanfare, they got all the glitz and glab. They got people juggling and they got women dancing and they got concerts before, they got concerts after.

It is an experience not going to an indoor sporting event. Yeah, yeah. That's what, that's, that's, that's, that's all we're telling you. I say all we needed. All we needed is some good food. Ocho, the December 9th, Monday night football matchup between the Bengals and the Cowboys looked very appealing

when the schedule was released months ago before the season kicked off. Networks like ESPN can work with the league to flex game out of a time slot and replace it with more exciting ones. But today it was revealed the game can't be flexed out for a truly hilarious and unexpected reason. The Simpsons, for those asking, the Bingo's Monday Night Football game

is not eligible to be flexed out because of all the drawings, voiceover, and other work that had been done for The Simpsons alternate cast that will air that night. Who would've guessed it? Homer Simpson would be a reason millions of you gonna be subjected to a subpar football game instead of one with, oh yeah, it don't matter.

Actually, honestly, this wouldn't be a subpar football game. Offensively, offensively, the Bengals are exciting and entertaining to watch. So they just play offensive football now? They don't play defense now? You see, you ain't had to go there. You ain't had to go there. Now I'm telling you why.

You realize like the Bengals defense and the Cowboys defense is gonna have to come up. Now the Cowboys offense might even look competent against y'all. Don't do that, don't do that. No. I'm just saying okay. Oh no, don't do that, don't do that. But again, listen, our offense is one of the most

entertaining offenses that you will tune in to see. Regardless to what our record is, they are excited to watch. T is back. Jermaine Burton playing well. Chase is goddamn motherfucking Chase. And I just, as bad as our record is, we're the best, we're the best four and seven team in NFL.

I don't even know if that even fucking makes sense. We are the best four and seven. Yes, sir. If you, if you win, if you, if you get first prize in the ugly contest, you still ugly. What the hell are you talking about? I don't like to be, I don't like to be. Y'all got a guy that's supposed to go for 5,000 yards.

Y'all got a guy that might win the triple crown. You still four and seven. Yeah, I know, that's why I just, see? See, that's why I said we the best four and 17. It's ugly, yeah, it's ugly. It's ugly. That's it's ugly. It's ugly. What? It's ugly.

That's like being the biggest little person in the circus. You still in the circus. You getting your ass out of a little car, 15 of you. What the hell? What the hell are you talking about? I'm trying to find the good in the situation. You're just making it. You can't find no good in that, OK?

I'm trying to find the good. Your defense, as good as your office is your defense is equally as bad yeah yeah well they gave us a chance that second half man I'm not sure what I did but that second half they gave us a chance yes but see like you said we needed that we needed those stops in the second in the first half so we could get our footing. Yeah. We got to start fast man, but we'll talk about that. Yeah. Joe Burrow is on pace to finish the season

as an early vacation, despite leading the NFL in passing yards and passing touchdowns. Joe Burrow is projected to finish with 460, 4,680 yards, 42 touchdowns and six interceptions, which should potentially win him the MVP. Yeah. But guess what? He ain't going to get no votes.

But instead he has a sub 500 record and his team is a joke. Through the first 11 games, the Bengals are four and seven. Joe has 3,200, 3,028 passing yards, 27 touchdowns and four interceptions. Players to achieve 3000 plus passing yards, 27 plus touchdowns and four interceptions. Players to achieve 3000 passing yards, 27 plus touchdowns and a five or fewer interception through 11 games. Tom Brady in 2007, 2015, one season he was 16 to 0, the other season he was 13 and three.

Aaron Rodgers in 2020, in 2011, 2021, in 2020, excuse me. He was 15 and one, 13 and three. Patrick Mahomes in 2020, he 2011, 2021, in 2020, excuse me. He was 15 and one, 13 and three. Yeah. Patrick Mahomes in 2020. He was 14 and two. Drew Brees, 2018. He was 13 and three. You see, I think Brady won MVP in both of those seasons, didn't he?

Aaron Rodgers, I think Aaron Rodgers won the MVP in both of those seasons. I think Patrick Mahgers won the MVP in both of those seasons. I think Patrick Mahomes won the MVP. So because he's four and seven, regardless of what the numbers are, there's no way you win. Well obviously, Jerry Goff and Josh. Well you got Jerry Goff playing well enough to win it. You got, in Buffalo, Josh Allen playing well enough. You got Saquon Barkley.

So how do you give it to a guy? Cause at the end of the day, he putting up all those stats in a losing effort. Yeah. Oh, I mean, yeah. If he would, if he was winning, oh yeah, he's different. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I ain't saying he needed to be 10 and one, but let's just say for the sake of argument, he's seven and three and one, or he's eight and three.

Now we got a whole different discussion with those types of numbers. Yeah. But yeah, he's having, he's having a heck of a season. He's a heck of a player. He's the number one overall pick for a reason. He got two outstanding receivers, uh, his defense and he has to put up those type numbers because the defense is bad. Yeah.

And he has to put up those type numbers because the defense is bad. Yeah Oh Joe people want to know is Joe burrow being wasted in Cincinnati. Oh, that's a good question That's okay. I wouldn't say I wouldn't say is being wasted in Cincinnati think about it Hypothetically speaking obviously Joe's gonna be there for a decade a decade plus or more. Where else can he go? Where else would he go? Where else would he go where it wouldn't be wasted? Because all the other opportunities and other chances for him to be on a team that is good, that had the chance to win a Super Bowl already have quarterbacks on. Think about it.

Even if you throw out a hypothetical, what situation would be better than what he's in right now? With the offense that he has, even though the defense is bad. Any team that has a good defense, I guarantee they already have a quarterback. Think about it. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I understand what people are saying and saying, you know, it's being wasted, but there's a reason he's a quarterback. So the point of what they have to do is every team is a quarterback away from winning a Superbowl or being able to contend.

So the Bengals are in a position to contend year in and year out because of who they have at the helm at quarterback. Now that what you have to do is you got to build around him. They already build around him offensively. Now you got to build the goddamn defense. Okay. Well, it's going to hurt you because you got a quarterback on max money. I receive it.

That's not going to give you a discount because you jerk them around. So what you could have gotten for say 145 million is going to probably cost you one 55, one 60 and he's going to want 90 million in guaranteed money. Yeah. So that's the problem that you run into when you kick the can down the road. It's a great thing to have. Cause that means the guy that you selected in the first round, you hit on the bad news is you got to pay.

Yeah. You're probably going to think about it. Oh Joe, you're probably the first round you hit on. The bad news is you gotta pay him. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably gonna think about it, Ocho. You're probably gonna lose Hendrickson. Remember he wanted more money. Oh yeah. You're gonna lose him. Oh yeah.

He's leading NFL in sacks right now too. Yeah. You're gonna lose him. Yeah. You got, you got, you need to de-tackle. You need to de-tackle. Well, you let Reader go. Yeah.

So you can, y'all got your work cut out for you. Big time. Kicker, Evan McPherson has basically cost the Bengals three to four wins and lost to KC, 26-25. He missed your extra point. Lost to Washington, he missed the field goal, 38-33. Lost to Baltimore, missed the field goal, 41-38. Lost to the Chargers, He missed two field goals.

3427. Hey, same thing with Justin Tucker. You know, I think we can go down to a list of numerous games that have happened throughout the season where I hate saying it, where it shouldn't come down to the kicker, but it actually come down to the kicker's foot. It actually comes down to him being. Damn, what's the word I'm looking for for kickers, him being accurate, you know,

for the lack of better terms. And listen, that's a very, very, very tough spot to be in where you can't miss field goals. They, the goalposts a lot more, a lot, a lot narrower now, you know, being able to hit them. You know, I heard Justin Tucker, you know, complain about, about the surface and Listen, it had nothing to do with that. It all.

Ocho, let me ask you a question. Yeah. What if I put Joe, what if I put Joe Burr in Minnesota with that defense? Oh my god. Well you might. Hey, he still got JJ, he got Addison, he got Hawkinson. That's a good hypothetical, but they got J.J. McCarthy. So as a hypothetical speaking on it,

you might as well give them the goddamn trophy. I'm just saying, with that defense and what Brian Fleury is doing with them, man, shit. It's now time for Money Moves presented by DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Give me my money. Give me my money. Josh Allen has officially overtaken Lamar as the MVP front-runner. Josh Allen is now a plus 150. Lamar Jackson is a plus 200.

Jerry Goff is a plus 600. Jalen Hurts is fourth with plus 1200. Patrick Mahomes is plus 1300. And Kyle LaMurray is plus 1500. In the regular season, Josh Allen has passed for 2,543 yards, which is seventh. 18 touchdowns, which is sixth. yards, which is 7th, 18 touchdowns, which is 6th, 5 interceptions. He's tied for 5th. I mean, he's tied for 57th, which is a good thing. And his QBR of 72.6 puts him in fourth. Lamar, he's second in passing yards,

2876, he's second in touchdowns, 25. He is tied for 47 with three interceptions. He's number two in QBR with 75.1. Hey, you know what's funny? Everything you just ran it down, with golf probably, golf and Josh Allen obviously being the back and forth, it's going to change because Lamar's not going to play another bad game like he did against the Steelers. He's going to come out and he's going to be the front runner again and then go out and he's going to put on an unbelievable performance. I'm not sure what their schedule is or who they're playing next, but the other teams aren't using him.

It's not a divisional game. It's not going to be a divisional game. They're not going to have the structured defense to be able to contain him the way the Steelers do The Steelers are built to be able to stop a player like himself because they're used to seeing him and understanding that team's tendencies Offensively, so he don't come out You know have one hell of a day do some crazy stuff on the ground do some crazy stuff in the air And he's gonna be back at the number one spot to an MVP. I guarantee you. Yeah, I mean look, I mean he has another game against the Steelers. Steelers have given them problems. Where's Lamar?

He has some pretty tough games. 1-4. 1-4 against the Steelers. Yeah. 1-4. He has another game, but this game is at home against the Steelers. Right. What, what, what, who did they have? They got the Steelers. I think they got another game against Cleveland. At Chargers this week. He's at the Chargers this week. Eagles at home. Oh. At Giants.

Home versus the Steelers. At Texans. Home versus the Browns. So it ain't like he got some cupcakes on the schedule now. Ain't no, ain't no cupcakes. But again, every, every team you just named don't have the personnel like the Steelers do to be able to stop who he's able to do and what he does well. What about the personnel are going up against his defense? What about the Eagles offense against that defense? What about the Eagles offense against that defense? What about the office against that? You see hey, can I take some

People do you do know your Raven team is dead last in the secondary when it comes against the pass? Oh Joe I've been trying to 30 second when I tell people that they say when you trying to you try I know I'm If you just see that when people tell me, oh, now you could tell Shannon they watched the game, you watching it, but you don't know what the hell you looking for. You like a blind dog in a meat house. You can't tell me fronts, you can't tell me coverages, you can't tell me formations, you can't tell me anything. All you watching for is touchdowns and sacks.

I'm watching to understand why they have success. So while you tell me I'm not watching it, you watching it, but you don't know the hell you looking at. Okay. It's like you watching a foreign film and they got subbed. Unless they give you subtitles, you don't know what the hell you looking at. I've been telling them, but they gave me excuse.

Wait till this guy comes back. Wait till that guy comes back. Well, I saw you guys in there when you had those guys and your defense was still bad in past defense It must be it must much better stop the run that that that second at some point time fans gonna have to understand Everybody is not a hater. Sometimes people are just trying to give you information Our job is sometimes to be is to be entertaining is to be informative to be educational Okay, yes. I say a lot of things in a joking manner.

Right. But I'm actually giving you factual information if you just listen to it. But you don't want to because you want to paint this narrative that, oh, Shannon is a hater. But listen to what Shannon said. When it comes back, what I tell you? Then you talk about, oh, oh, I could have capped an obvious, but you didn't say it.

Right. But people don't just don't wanna get no credit. Boy, people don't wanna get no credit. Because if I didn't, if I didn't say it, why didn't you say that before? I said it when I knew that, no, you didn't. Cause I take it to the black, I take it to the board and say, oh, draw me a cover six.

Draw me cover seven. Give me five zone. OK, give me this formation. Give me this protection. I want you to read the red. What you mean by that? No, you know if you're watching the games, you should know. Right.

I don't think the casual fan can't do that. Hell, no, they can't. But they just want to jump on your timeline and try to try to what he ain't watching the game Right. I am watching the game. I also know that when you throw the ball more than you run it ever Raven you lose You lose. That's what I do know. Yeah, I mean it's right the stats are right there. I The one that said put Derek Henry in the eye. Yeah,'t nobody else say that. I said it from the drunk or choke. I said he's not his own readback because he's a long strider and you don't get you need he needs time to be able to redirect when you put him that close to the line he's such a long strider he can't redirect his feet. Barry Sanders a short strider can do it he's perfect that's perfect for

him but Derrick Henry needs to be able to change direction. He needs to be able to check his feet and cut back, get back downhill. That's why you put his heels at eight, you toss it to him, you hand it to him, and boom. Now, whoever drew up that damn play, that they tossed that ball to Derrick Henry, and they let TJ Watt come in there and blow his ass up,

they should have put him back there running back and let the same thing happen. Don't block TJ Watt and let TJ Watt coming in and blow his ass up. They should have put him back there running back and let the same thing happen. Don't block TJ Watt and let TJ Watt knock his ass in the dirt. The tackle should have known better. The right tackle should have known better. I'm not sure what the blocking assignment was, but why would you let TJ Watt run Scott free with the pitch even though the pitch

is going the opposite way still. He coming. Every time and he gonna get there every time. Yes. I just like, I'm like, who thought that was a good idea? Hey, we gonna run this toss play week, but we gonna unblock TJ Y. Okay.

And you see what happened? Damn, they got digger. And I'm like, that's why I stopped playing running back. Cause I got tired of my bad shot. Well, it ain't your bad. I'm way down the damn field. I ain't got to worry about my bad. I got to worry about my bad. Oh, I got tired of you, man. My bad. That's me. That's old me Dude, I got me looking at my ear hole, but you talk about your band. What'd that do?

Hey, hey, hey, hey, speaking of that, think about how bad it is for quarterbacks and the old line is playing bad when they for quarterbacks when the O-liners playing bad, when they can't block and the quarterback continues to get sacked over and over and over and you can't fustle them. Then you have to keep your mannerisms and your physical expressions has to be on point no matter how many times you get hit in the game. Imagine. Yes.

I want to- Oh Joe, let me ask you a question. When the Cowboys fell behind by 10, 13 points with no threat of the running game, what you think the Texas thinking? They ain't playing for no draw. They're not playing for no run. They're pinning their ears back.

Absolutely. Everybody in the state of know you not gonna run it. And now you made it very, it's very, I don't care who your offensive linemen are. You let them jokers know that every single down, you gonna throw it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

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Listen to the season with Peter Schreger on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wasabi hot cloud storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. Daniel Jones was demoted to third string quarterback with a 2-8 Giants on their bi-week. This was a logical time to change and give back up Danny DeVito, who was chosen over number two quarterback Drew Locke to prepare. Ocho, if I'm going to lose, I don't want nobody to get any chance

but thank you we gonna win this game. Right. Drew Locke gonna go in there and try to win this game and try to show he deserve a chance. No, you get your ass. Hold on, Danny DeVito not that bad now. Man look here. Danny DeVito that's exactly right. You got his name right. Danny DeVito Hold on. How you say it? His real name, Tommy. Tommy. You right, Danny. Tommy, Danny. Yeah. That's him.

That's him. Yep. Hold on. He going to give you the same results as Danny Devito. All right. You want to make a little bet? You want to make a little bet coming out of the bag? Coming out of the bag for the Giants?

The only thing that survives this season. Bye. That's all. That's the, that's the. Bye. That's Tommy, Tommy, DeVito, Tommy, Tommy. Yeah. But think about it. I'm talking about Danny DeVito. I'm sure. Think about this. Yes, sir. Drew Locke was the second string. Yeah. They promoted the third string, which tells me we want the high draft pick. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Drew Loc Locker potentially win a game. We ain't finna win with him. Jones Benjamin sings the end of a six year run with the Giants in the starting quarterback. The Giants went 13 and three in games started by Jones over the past two seasons. And they ranked last in the league in scoring. His career record is 24, 44 and one.

Hey, give me those stats that you gave me this morning. That's a league. I'll tell you what. I will give you, he's 24. He started, what, 70 games. He's 24, 44 and 1. God damn. Ocho, they gave this man a contract extension. 40 million dollars, 160 on 60.

Now you tell me, guys actually pulling up. No, I want this record. 2019, 20, 21 before we got, yeah, no, I don't. Yeah. Everybody know. Everybody know. He, the Panthers talk about reportedly have, have interest in Daniel Jones.

Now please, do what? Ocho. Yes sir. He started 12 games, he's rookie, he went three and nine. The next season, he went five and nine. The next season, he went four and seven. He goes nine, six and one, and he gets a contract extension.

Now see what they did? They disregarded the previous three seasons. A big sample size for the small sample size because we want to justify giving this man this money. You see what they did? You see, now we gonna disregard the three and nine. We gonna disregard the five and nine. We gonna disregard.

Now, he had 11 touchdowns, okay, what do you have? He had 11 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 10 touchdowns, seven interceptions. He went 15 and five, let's give him a raise. That 15 and five look good though. That 15 and five, nine and six record, that look good. Okay, maybe he's going in the right direction. After the first three years, or the first two,

no, the first three, he didn't look like he should boom the year where it counts which we call it a contract you want to give a quarterback some money they saw the improvement as opposed to the small sample size that it did see okay maybe he's moving out this is that made Lamar Jackson play under the franchise tag oh yeah after he won an MVP I don't know why I brought it up for you let me keep my mind because first of all, quarterback is the only position that you get paid on potential. They won't let, if Jamar Chase wasn't doing what he was doing,

he can't get no money. They can't say, well, you know what? I think Lamar, excuse me, Jamar Chase heading in the right direction. Let's give him, let's give him top number one receiver money. All the guys name a position other than quarterback that you get paid on potential. I'm not saying joke, I mean, there are guys that earn that money, but a lot of these quarterbacks get paid on,

man, I believe he's turned the corner. They don't ever pay another position believing that he's turned the corner. No. And there's a whole nother conversation and I don't want to go there, but you did bring it up You know, it was the elephant in the room You talked about they made lamar jackson play on the what? French I think okay

He would have to be one MVP, but they didn't make danger never Yeah, I I I I I I ain't breaking on I I don't think I break, everybody can see it. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna say it. Hell, the three blind mice saw it. Oh damn, that's fucked up. But hey, it couldn't happen to a better organization than the Giants. Serves you right, because you didn't want to play Saquon. Oh, you know, they don't,

they don't value the running back position as they said. Feeling to you, now look at him. Look at, look at Joe Mixon, what he's doing. Look at what Joe Mixon is doing for the Houston Texans. Derrick Henry can do that when they give him the ball. We see what he does for the Ravens offense. He makes them almost undefended. Oh, yeah.

Indefensible. Excuse me. But OK, Joy Porter, Jr. sales will call tickets for 400 a piece over the weekend. Talk about with Joy Porter, Jr. He did a black Stank Pops. Huh? Yeah, no, no, I'm saying this guy did, right? Joey Porter family, Joey Porter Jr. family sells his tickets.

Right. Okay. Joey Porter Jr. family sells will call tickets for $400 a piece over the weekend. Talk ball with Joey Porter's family. They did the Black and Stank Pops. They sold their will call tickets for 400 a piece. I seen nephew play enough ball.

I know what he do. Respect. Make it a business. Yeah. Make it a business. Hey. That was funny. Ocho. Yes sir. Would you care if your family sold tickets

you left for them at will call? No, probably not. Probably not. I'm leaving tickets for you at Will Call that I'm probably getting for free anyway and if you wanna make a little side money on that, you know, I have no problem with your hustle. I have no problem with your hustle

because that means you ain't gonna be asking me for no money. No. I'm trying to think what do you think i y'all will get in the game and matter of fact hey depending on who we playing they definitely coming to showing up but you already know but i mean for the most part of what you're like yeah if i leave somebody tickets at will call especially my my family, I already know they coming.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause first of all, they stay with me or they stay at the hotel that I paid for. So I know they bringing their ass like that. Right, right, right. So I've never really thought about it, Ocho. I haven't either. I'm gonna get, just for the case

for the scenario you're talking about, I mean, I don't really see any family members. Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, I did. I got my homeboy, I got bucket tickets to the Super Bowl. Right. And they ended up, I guess they left more than what they should. Man, he said homeboy, I sold him tickets.

I said, well, what about my cut? Both, both, both. How you gonna sell something I gave you? Right. I'm like, man, ass finance my trip. Yeah No, but I you like I'm like you okay Cuz you leave them long enough tell them yeah People pull up and sell them. So you got a certain amount of time to get your ass to the game

Yeah, oh they go sell them. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh well Yeah. Oh, they go sell them. Yeah, no, go. Oh, well. The Lakers have commissioned a statue of Pat Riley to join the Laker legend in star plaza outside Crip.com arena. Jeannie Buss shared plans with Riley today over video alongside Kareem, Michael Cooper,

Magic Johnson, A.C. Green, Kurt Rammertz, James Worthy, Blotty Devox, Karen West, and Chris Riley. Riley had a defining impact on the Lakers legacy, winning six total championships with the Lakers for the head coach, one of the assistant coach in 1980 and one of the player in 1972. The eight Laker to be commemorated in the star plaza. Riley would join Elgin Baylor, Kobe Bryant, kick her magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Jerry West.

That's a lie. So, you said they're getting the statue. I hope they don't get the guy that did D-Way's statue. Nah. And you know, in LA, they're not doing that. Man, they have Pat Riley. Look at that Fabio. They're not doing that. That's dope. That's dope. I want me a statue.

Huh? I want me a statue. I want to tell you, Ocho. Ocho, it's time for Rough Draft presented by Oscar Mayer. Oscar Meyer. This segment is brought to you by Oscar Meyer bacon. Oscar Meyer smokes their bacon for 12 really long hours, which is twice as long as the industry standard, which is where you get that delicious smoky flavor from. Oh, Joe, today's prompt, best wire receivers, we're gonna pick six each, 12 total, to represent the 12 hours of smoked bacon.

Coachell, your boy go first. Wait, okay. I got Jamal Chase. Oh, come on, man. I don't come up. I don't come up. I don't come up. Huh?

Oh, we going ever? Oh, I thought we talking this year. Oh, I got Jerry. I got Jerry Rice, dude. OK, you got Jerry? We talking about Bet Dipper? Yep. All right, I'm going to T.O.

I got Randy Moss. Calvin Johnson. I got Marvin Harrison. Antonio Brown. I got Larry Fitzgerald. Andre Johnson. Okay, who do I want? Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm gonna go with? I'm gonna go with Oralile. I'm gonna go with Don Hudson. What? Don Hudson. Are you sure that's who you want to pick? That's who I absolutely who I want to pick. You know what? Give me give me give me give me give me give me um I'm trying

to think I got three names right here right I either want to go Tori Holt I want to go Isaac Bruce or I want to go Jimmy Smith. You go whoever you want to you huh you got two more Ocho okay give me um I'm gonna go with Izzy Bruce okay I like that that's nice little that's nice little yeah I got why got one more for you to rights right right it don't matter it don't matter we pick my list one I'm not sure with the chat you know what I was gonna go this one but I ain't gonna leave picked my list one. I'm not sure what the chat. You know what? I was going to go this one, but I ain't finna leave my brother off this list.

I'm going my brother. Okay, I like that. F y'all. I like that. I like that. And the county you going with Sterling, you know, so the respect, give me Steve Smith Sr. Okay. Give me Steve Smith Sr.

I thought you was going to pick yourself, Ocho. Who? You. Listen, I never picked myself. I never pick myself. I never pick myself. If I didn't put my brother on, I was gonna put a Julio. Oh, that's oh, I forgot about Julio. That's a good one.

You wanna do a mission? We ain't got no automation because we gotta do 12. Okay. Okay. Because 12 long hours. Okay. Chat, who won? Who won this with chat? Come on. I know they they gonna say I won. Ocho, they don't know about Ocho, you lost. You can tell they don't know,

they don't know about no football, that's right. Ocho, I got random balls for Jerry Rice. What you talking about? I got, I got T-O-I got T-O, I got T-O. I got random balls and Jerry Rice. I got T- wait, I can't even remember my damn names. You got Tio, Megatron, AB, Andre Johnson, Isaac Ruth, Isaac Bruce, and Steve McBee.

Did you just read, did you hear who I got? Yes. Okay, I won. I don't know what the chat talking about. Obviously those are not, those aren't real football fans if they think you won. Stop playing. I got Jerry Rice, who's the GOAT.

Many people, some people like you, would believe in that Randy Ball's the GOAT. So I got two of the greatest receivers ever. Two of the top three. I got them on my roster. Listen, and Tony- I got Marvin Harrison Jr. I got Larry Fitzgerald.

I got Don Hudson. And I got my, I bet I'm done. Don Hudson. Chat, I already know I won this one. Don Hudson and I got my man. I'm done Don Jack don't know I won this one Don Hudson really don't look at a book with Don Hudson stands up on To Antonio Brown Andre Johnson, right? Isaac you can't see my list Calvin Johnson like come on man. Stop playing man. What you talking about? Hey talk about Okay, you can't see my list. Ain't nobody see that list. Yeah.

Yeah. And people in the chat, they just hype you up. They don't know no better. They don't know no better. Man, I got, hey. They don't know no better. Oh, check this out. I got, hold on.

I got 400 touchdowns receiving between my two top kids. I got 197 hundred and ninety-seven and one fifty-three. So that's four hundred and fifty receiving touchdowns. Marvin Harris is over twenty. Lance Fitzgerald is over twenty. Don Hutz, I mean over a hundred. I got, I got four, like five of my guys are over a hundred receiving touchdowns on choke. I don't have, listen, I have the better, I have the better squad. I don't care what the numbers give me. Don't have you pull up Don Huston stats. Put Don Huston stats on there.

Oh, I gotta put some stuff. He was, he was, he was that guy. Oh, Joe, Don Huston. Yeah. He was a Charlie Hannigan, Bambi Lance Allworth. Those were the guys before the Jerry's and all these guys came along. Those were the guys.

Oh, Joe. Yeah. before the Jerry's and all these guys came along those were the guys Oh Joe yeah Oh Joe I'm right Don Hudson had less than 500 catches in 99 touchdowns you know what you know what that tell me and he had 30 interceptions. Oh, you know, you know, that you know what? All right, he good, he nice, nice. I ain't I ain't I ain't gonna say that. I don't disrespect Mr. Brother, Brother Don Hudson. I'm going to let you have them. I had to put some socks on, but shit. Oh, yeah. Hey, but the chat don't know.

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