Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Brady/Belichick reunion, Mayo’s lack of discipline, McDaniel loses locker room

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to reports that Tom Brady could offer Bill Belichick the power and control to leave UNC and join the Las Vegas Raiders. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss reports that former HC of the New England Patriots, Jerod Mayo, “struggled with discipline and how to enforce it” and Pats players “lost faith” in Mayo during season, Miami Dolphins HC Mike McDaniel says that some players have been repeatedly late this year and fined multiple times, but the fines have not been effective as a form of discipline at all and much more!03:13 - Show start03:36 - Intro06:10 - Cavs v Thunder16:50 - Belichick to the Raiders?32:43 - Jerod Mayo45:54 - Mike McDaniel56:32 - Jags(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Stars. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liars Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

listen to podcasts. What's up, everybody? Adnan, Burke here to tell you about a new podcast. It's NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demurz. Jason Demurz here and after playing 700 NHL games, I got a lot of dirty laundry to air out. Hey, I got a lot to say here too, okay? Each week we'll get together to chat about the sport that we love. Tons of guests are going to join in too, but we're not just going to be talking hockey, folks.

We're talking movies, we're talking TV, food, and Adnan's favorite, wrestling. It's all on Le Table. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Verkan Demers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL.

We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to football today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. and you will be glad you did. The volume. The Emirates NBA Cup is here. You can win big getting in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. All 30 teams split into six groups every Tuesday and Friday,

playing for the right to advance into a single elimination in season tournament, culminating in the NBA Cup Championship in Las Vegas. First time, here's something special for you. New DraftKings customers bet $5 to get 150 in bonus bets if your bet wins. Score big with DraftKings Sportsbook, every point counts. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app.

Use code MONEYMOVES, that's code MONEYMOVE for new customers to get 150 in bonus bet if your bet wins when you bet just five bucks. Only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Or in West Virginia, visit 1-800-GAMBLER.NET.

In New York, call 877-8HOPENY or text HOPENY467369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. On behalf of Boothill Casino and Resort in Kansas, 21 and over, age varies by jurisdiction, void in Ontario, one no sweat bet per new customer,

issued as one bonus bet based on the amount of initial losing bet. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. See dkng.com slash promos for deposit, wagering, and eligibility restrictions, terms, and thank you for joining us for a very special edition of Nightcap. Oh, what a game, what a game, what a game. The two best teams in the NBA, Lockhorn and the game was everything that you expected to be. But the Cleveland Cavaliers prevailed to move to 32 and four

while the O.K. City Thunder fought to 30 and six. But it was a very, very interesting ball game. Y'all know me, I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. That guy, Liberty City's own. Bingo, ring of fame honoree, team didn't make the playoffs. Pro bowl, all pros. Y'all know they complained it. Oh, they ain't nobody wanna see us.

Y'all didn't wanna win no games in September, October, November either. So I guess we either, y'all didn't want it. Oh, they ain't nobody want to see us. Y'all didn't want to win no games in September, October, November either. So I guess we either y'all didn't want them. Y'all didn't want it. They didn't want it, but everybody got what they deserve, what they earned. Anyway, y'all know. So thank you again for joining us. Please make sure y'all hit that subscribe button.

Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. And we thank you starting off 2025, you guys have shown your support 23, 24, and thank you for the continued support in 25. Make sure you check out Chez Balaporte. We have it in stock. I know some of you guys are still celebrating

and what better way to celebrate than with a bottle of Chez Balaporte. Now, if you cannot find it in a city or a state near you, we're about to be in Illinois, we're about to be in Illinois, we're about to be in Florida, we're in the DC, Maryland, Virginia area. So if we're not in an area that you can find it, order it and we'll ship it directly to you.

And please drink responsibly. Go check out my media company on all of its platforms, that's Shea Shea Media and my clothing company, 84 with 84 being spelled out. Our newest release just dropped last month. T-shirts, sweats, beanies, koozis and mugs quantities are limited so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Tickets for the Super Bowl show.

Our first tour stop is in New Orleans and it's February the 6th. The link is pinned at the top of the chat. We got some great guests lined up for you. Please, please Titus stop, lay down. Please make sure you join us. You don't want to miss this. And I want to send everybody here at Nightcap want to send our thoughts and prayers to everyone that's being impacted by the wildfires in California. So thoughts and prayers go out to you and yours. Hopefully everybody stays safe, please stay vigilant. But we know there are a lot of people that's been displaced. Some people

have lost all their possessions, but you have life. And so let's hey, let's cling to that. You didn't lose the most important things. All those things can be replaced, life cannot be replaced. And I know some of those are keepsakes and memorabilia and all that, but I pray for everybody gets gets out of this thing healthy and gets back to some normalcy very, very soon. So our thoughts and prayers from everyone here at the Night Cal family to those impacted

by the wildfires going on in LA Ocho the calves as we talked about a little earlier the calves is the Mac the Thunder 15 game win streak and it was a battle a great This is what it should be when the two of the best to the two best teams in the NBA when they lock horns This is what it should be, but the Cavaliers prevailed 129 to 122 Jared Allen had a monster night, 25 points, 12 rebounds, uh, six assists, six assists, it was plus seven. Um, Evan Mobley, 21 and 10.

Um, the, or Wade, 11 points. Donovan Mitchell did not have the best night shooting. He was three of 16, two of seven from the floor, from the 3-point line, 3 of 4. He only had 11 points. Darius Garland had 18 points, but they got great production off the bench from Mike Spruce, Todd Jerome, 17 points, 15 points respectively. And they were able to overcome Shay Gilders Alexander. He had 31. He's right there with Nikola Jokic and Yanis for the MVP this year. Jamal Williams, Jaylen Williams, excuse me. Jaylen Williams had 25, Wallace had 15, but they played really well, but it was just too much that size that the Cavaliers have.

Evan Mobley goes about six foot, 6'11". Jared Allen goes 6'10". And they did a great job on the glass. Isaiah Hartenstein and got in trouble, filed trouble early. So he wasn't able to play his normal minutes. But I like Hartenstein, man. I really like him.

He's an effort guy. He plays hard. He goes out and does all the grunt work. Set great screens, Ocho, rebounds the basketball. But he can do a little bit of everything. He can pass the basketball. He can score right around the basket. Gets a lot of cleanup.

You don't have to run plays for him. Um, but I like what I saw tonight. These are the two best teams. I know the Celtics are the defending champs, but these are the two best teams that's currently in the NBA. Yeah. Listen, I think, I think, okay, see miss, they miss, they miss shit. They miss them, especially they, especially with the lineup tonight, they

were having, they were having huge problems with the two bigs, obviously, and they can't move the ball up and down the court, you know, in transition effortlessly. You know, and like, shit. Despite Donovan Midsfield not shooting the ball well, the rest of the team played extremely well. They did. Which one?

If you had it. There is Garland? No, no, not Garland. God damn, what's his name? Who? For who? For what team? OKC, we're number two. Shay?

Yeah, Shay. That's what I'm trying to think of, I'm trying to think of Shay's name. If you had an MVP right now, is she still in your running again this year? Yes, yes. Him, Nicole, it's the same cast of characters. Right now I would have Nicole Jokic. Uh, he's averaging 30, 14 and nine. It's hard to overlook that.

Uh, but Shay's right. The Shay, I mean, you know, you flip a coin. Yannis is, Yannis is going to be in the mix. I don't know if Yannis is going to be conducive for him to get it. But right now, if you had to make me pick, I would probably lean Yannis. Right. Excuse me. I would probably lean, lean Yoke. Yeah. But if somebody said, nah, Shadda, Yoke ain't it this year, it's Shay.

I ain't fighting it. I ain't putting them no healthy. I'm not putting them no healthy discussion. Right. And said, man, look at, look at what Yoke is doing. Yoke is averaging 30. The most Shaq ever average in the season It's 29 look at the rebounds. He's averaging 14 the most Tim Duncan is ever average in the season is 14

You look at the nine assists that haven't been very many bigs to ever ever nobody right I don't even think when will when will wonder a since title as a sinner He didn't average nine assists the game right so you look at a guy, he's having a career year, it's points, rebounds, and assists. And he's shooting 40 plus percent from the three. He's shooting 57 percent from... Look, we can go on by Yogi, he's a three-time league MVP. Could easily, we have four-time MVP, and by all said and done, he might win four or five of these things. But Shay Gill just just boy, I know the clipper, the clipper, the kicking themselves in the ass because

they traded him and all those draft picks and those pick swaps for Paul George, because Kawhi said, if you don't get him, I'm going to go to the Lakers. And they can, they could not have Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard and LeBron James on the same team in the same building in the same city. So they did that. Kawhi has and LeBron James on the same team in the same building, in the same city. Right. So they did that. Kawhi has been unable to stay healthy. Paul George was not able to stay healthy for an extended period of time. He's now in Philly. Kawhi just got back. He's not going to play the back to backs. He left the team to deal with some family issues because they're being impacted

by the wildfires in LA. And we get all that. Yeah. But with that being said, Shay Gilder says, turn into a bona fide superstar. And that's what you have to be careful of. And they've got this team is young. Now when Caruso gets back, he's been dealing with a hip injury. Uh, so he'd been, I don't think he played more than five or six games. When he gets back and you Richard check comes back, you talk about the defensive because then you got Lou door and you got Caruso that can defend the wings. You got check that can defend the realm and you got scores and Jalen

Williams and Shay Gill just. Bro. You look at them, Ocho you like, they shouldn't be this good. Cause we really, really look at it. They only got one all star, one superstar. And most teams have two superstars or multiple all-stars. They really only got one. Now, Jalen Williams might make it this year.

But right now we know Shay's gonna make it because he's one of the two or three best players in all the league. But when you look at him, you're like, how did this could? But you watch them play. Yeah. They watch how they play off each other. And they play well together.

They play very well together. Yeah. They, they play, they play really well together. The same thing with the Cavaliers that I understand Boston is the reigning defending champ and they still got very good. They look J, uh, uh, JB, Eastern conference MVP. He was finals MVP. We know JT he's been an all NBA player the last three years.

JB has been an all NBA player a couple of years, but the Cavaliers is the best team in the East. And right now it's not close. It's not close right now. And in the obviously in the West, OKC is the best team. I mean, and to have two teams like this, a 30 and six and a 32 It's not close right now and in the obviously in the West. Okay, see is the best team I mean and to have two teams like this a 30 and 6 and a 32 and 4 So you got 35 games into the season and you've got two teams that has 30 plus wins to it

I think Boston has like what Boston has like 28 29 wins. Mm-hmm They might have 30 by the end of the night Yeah, I don't know look and I know this in the back This is down and I don't like all the three-point shots either. the night. I don't know if, look, and I know they're saying the bat is down and I don't like all the three point shots either, Joe. I don't like, I mean, they coming out and chunking up three left and right. I mean, I think the average is about 65 to 73 combined per game. Yeah, they just chunking them up and I don't think people are very very excited about that that style of play It allows have to do that. I think the fans don't think the players are playing hard and they're sitting out

You know I'm saying okay, they got low management. They got this and it's impacting the game. Yeah rating says it I don't care what anybody says the rating says fans aren't watching the games right like they once were Yeah, I mean listen the listen, the game is different. It's evolved. It hasn't evolved for the better, as most would say. If you look at the ratings, the ratings are suffering because of it. I'm not sure what Adam Silver can do.

I'm not sure what the players can do about it. I mean, the game is- Play hard and start jacking up threes. I mean, listen, they don't play defense. They just, they shooting the ball, they shooting mid range, they shooting threes. And just, and the game isn't going to change. I'm not sure what they can do to attract the eyeballs

and the viewership the way it used to be. But I don't see it changing anytime soon. No, because everybody say, you know, that three, you know, you make two threes, it's the equivalent of, you know, the percentage you don't need to shoot 50% from three if you make enough threes. And so they figure if we make,

if we make somewhere around 23 the night, we're gonna beat you. Yeah. Because the likelihood of two teams, both teams making 20 plus three, so they're hoping it, but you know, they're getting up 53 the night, 63. Come on, bro. Golly. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Come on, bro. So they're hoping it but you know, they're getting up 53 the night 63

Yeah, that's what I say, come on bro It's all your fault step. Oh, it's your only 14 They're posted a better record through 36 games than what the Cleveland Cavaliers have golden state when they set the record of 73 and 9 They went 34 and 2 the Philadelphia The Warriors I think it was the Warriors They were and two, the Philadelphia, uh, the warriors, I think it was the warriors. Uh, they were, uh, 1966, 67, they were 33 and three, the Lakers, uh, in 71, 72, they went on a 33 game, a 33 game winning streak. They, and they won the title. They were 33 and three and the Bulls 95, 96 in which they went 72 and 10. They're also with 33 and three. So you can see what a leak company these teams are in. Now Golden State lost to LeBron's team.

No, they, yeah, they lost to LeBron's team. That was the year they went. Yeah. They lost to LeBron the 73 and 19. The Bulls won the titles. The Lakers won the titles. Did the Sixers win the titles that year? I think, no, I think what you call them, one of the Celtics won it because the Celtics won it

eight straight years in the sixties. So I think they lost one year to the, uh, the St. Louis Hawks led by Bob Pettit. And then they, they, they, they whitewashed it the rest of the way. the rest of the way. So, but the Cavs look really good. They got, D Mitch seems to be playing, he seems to be happy, seems to be like he wants to be there now. Right. There were speculations he wanted to go to Knicks

and that still might be the case, but I know he's playing extremely well like right now. Darius Garland, who's an all star, Jared Allen, uh, nine, very efficient nine for 11. You don't have to run played for him. He's going to get it off the rim. He could, you get penetration, lob it up to him. The same thing with Mowgli.

Uh, Mowgli didn't shoot the three ball well tonight, but he's, he's a 40 plus percent shooter from the three ball. He was efficient from the floor, eight of 13. Um, they, those two bigs is going to cause you a problem because they don't get a lot of rebounds. Yeah. We'll get a lot of extra chances. Uh, uh, uh, they had 12 office rebounds tonight.

So Cavalier, uh, and the OKC thunder 15 game winning streak. With a one 29, one 22 victory. Oh Joe, you know,ichick to the Raiders. He has a $10 million buyout now. It drops to 1 million on June 1st. The Raiders have a new cash, have new cash from Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, minority stakes. Brady are still close with coach Belichick, could offer him power and control needed to

lead UNC. Well damn, if that was the case, you got all these college kids happy, got UNC all happy, why'd you just wet your happy ass out another month? Well, listen, he probably know that the opportunity was gonna present itself. I wish Brady had told Bill this a little earlier before he took the job.

That's care, you can't do that. Huh? You can't do that. What? See, that's why he didn't know. So he had to took the job. That's care you can't do that. Huh? You can't do that. What? See, that's why I didn't know. So he had to take the job that was available. I think the vacancy is going to get filled.

I don't think Bill can actually pull out from UNC right now. He's already invested. After we work the day, he would. Yeah, that seems to be a problem with you too. Huh? That seems to be a problem with you too. Huh? That seemed to be a problem with you too. What? Pulling out.

Hey, but listen, listen, on a serious note, listen, after we left work today, you know, out in Philly, Bill was right back on the road, you know, going to recruit. Yeah. So, I mean, he's, he's, he's locked in. I think it would have been a great opportunity for Bill to, uh, to be the head coach of the Raiders and have that full control to, to kind of build the type of team you want to. I think the only issue for Bill is if he was to go to the Raiders, I mean, he

still wouldn't have a quarterback. You still don't know what. Yeah, you got to get, I mean, you're going to be a position. Um, yeah. Why are you in here? Why are you trying to steal my shine, bro? Who that? Who that? Who that? Titus tried to steal my shine, man.

What up, twin? What up, twin? What up, twin? You wanna go stay with Ochoa in Miami? Yeah, come on down here, man. Come on down here. He ain't got no treats. He ain't gonna take me on the walk. But yeah. Pretty dogs in that hood. Say, nah, he ain't no seen every down there. Yeah, he good.

Everybody got them little dogs. Bring him on down here. I took it. I take good care of me. I think the thing is Brady, Tom, look, Tom understands what it look. Maybe that, maybe that wears on you, Ocho. But at the end of the day, Tom Brady wants to win. Yeah. Tom Brady, like, yeah, I can, sure.

I can assure you that coach Belichick's style wears on you, but winning... If I'm gonna win, wear on me. Right. Right. Ride me. But listen... Because I want to cover... Go ahead.

This is what I have to say now about Coach Belichick's style. I think this is one of the reasons why he's gone to the collegiate level. To show the owners, to show people that he can resonate with the younger crowd. He can resonate with the younger generation, even though he has a certain coaching style, he's going to show you that he can change, he can adapt to today's era and today's climate as far as the kids and coaching is concerned. And find a way where you can relate to them, just like the younger coaches

that are taking all the goddamn jobs in NFL now. I think it's hard enough for Coach Belichick because these kids here, they making money. Everybody in the NFL want to build a brand. Office of Lyman want a brand, D Lyman want a brand. Everybody want a brand, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so ain't nobody really trying to listen.

Everybody trying to, oh, I'm gonna start me a podcast, I'm gonna start this, I want people to know who I am, blah, blah, blah. I'm preparing for the future. And they don't realize it's a lot easier to build a brand when you win. Jordan brand was built on winning. Tiger brand was built on winning. Tom brand was built on winning.

LeBron on winning. Steph Curry on winning. It's a lot easier to build a brand when you win. People want to associate with the winners. It's not lot easier to build a brand when you win. People want to associate with the winners. It's not that complicated. I think sometimes we make it more complicated than what it is. But when you win, look at Jeter.

Jeter was a winner. And so when you win, people want to be around winners. It's always been like that. I don't know why you so needed it. I've been around here all day. I wouldn't have no tonight. I've been right here all day. I wouldn't have no show. I've been with you all day, bro. It's still good here.

Man, I don't know what's going on here tonight, Ocho. I've been riding this joker all the time. No, he hear my voice. He hear my voice. You all day. But it's, I mean, for me, I think coach Belichick, because here's the difference between a college kid and an NFL adult, the college kids are trying to get to the NFL, that's why the coach is the end all be all, he's a de facto boss.

I got to say in the NFL, I'm already in the NFL, what you going to do? I make 30 million. I got to say in the NFL, I'm already in the NFL. What you going to do? I make 30 million. I make more than you. It's hard to tell somebody that makes more than you what to do. Yeah. Normally the boss, he makes the most. He tells you what to do. Right.

Ash over here shaking her head. But in the NFL, little Joe, you know these guys, and we're gonna talk about this a little later, about the Miami Dolphins situation, what Mike McDaniel said earlier today. But I think Coach Belichick, yeah, you gotta get a quarterback. I don't care if Coach Belichick is great as he is,

we saw when he didn't have a quarterback, it didn't work out very well. You can't do none, you can't do none, you can't do none. And listen, right now, if he was to go to that job and not have a quarterback and lose, I think his leash would be just as short as everybody else. Oh yeah, for sure. His leash would be just as short as everybody else and there would be no way for him to

compete at any level until he gets someone in there that he can build around. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Stars. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star.

So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff like it's all colored. They changed it. And the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it.

And the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink. There was something sentimental when you sent it. It was like, do I send the heart now? I don't like the color edition. It's extremely pink. Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liars Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season's all about fans

and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. What's up everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts

and the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers. Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL Network Analyst, and boy, oh boy, does daddy have a lot to say. I love you by the way on NHL Network. We're looking forward to getting together each week to chat and chirp about the sport and all the other things surrounding it that we love, right? Yeah, I just met you today but we're going to have a ton of guests from the colliding

worlds of hockey, entertainment and pop culture and you know what? Tons of back and forth on all things NHL. Yeah, you're going to soon find out we're not just hockey talk. We have all kinds of random stuff on this podcast, movies, television, food, wrestling, even the stuff that you wear on NHL now. You wish you could pull off my short shorts, Vorky. That's sure to cause a ruckus. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demurs in the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

wherever you get your podcasts. Fridays breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson can say, Quam Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down stats, analytics. And of course Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well.

Listen to football today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run. But let's see, I mean, there's going to be some quarterbacks available. Do you make a play for Sam Darnold if he's available? If they trade J.J. McCarthy, do you make a play for him? Cousins, he might be available. Do you trade for him? I mean, look, I mean, there'll still be a quarterback.

I mean, you might have to move up if you want a cam ward or you want a chador. Right. Maybe it all depends. You got Brock Bowers, you got Jacobi Myers. I mean, you got some piece of, you got some okay pieces. I mean, Brock Bowers is legit now. Real deep. Jacobi Myers had an outstanding year this year.

Maybe you add another wide out. Hey, do you go get a T Higgins? Ooh, now we talk. See, that's the thing. There are so many teams that need a number one receiver that has the cap space. You do so. The Patriots got cap space.

So if I go put T Higgins in Farnsboro, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in 10 million is, cause June 1st is too much. I mean, no, Ocho, I need a coach in place sooner rather than later. Right. Cause this like, they got this June 1st thing, like it's a, like a, a June 1st designation for release. You know how they do the NFL players, Ocho? If this would be a remission now, but after June 1st is this. And you see right now you got a $10 million buyout now, which is at the June 1st you get, cause they know the likelihood of a coach signing June 1st is this. And you see right now you got a $10 million buyout now, but it's at the June 1st you get, cause they know the likelihood of a coach signing June 1st.

But we want to punish you, get a little bit of this money back. So what you think? Yeah, I don't honestly, I don't see it happening and knowing Bill, understanding his character, knowing how he is. Once he's locked in into a situation, he's all in, he's all in. He's not going to be on the road doing all the things he's doing. He's, he's been sworn in as the, as the head coach of UNC.

He's made promises and he's going to fulfill those promises. They are UNC. Now, if anything, he might, he might play, he might coach for a year or a year or two. And that buyout, you know, that clause, whatever it may be, might be triggered and he comes to the NFL and maybe the Raiders job might not be there. It might not be there. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You're not going to, hey, we saw this with the Patriots. We saw, we're going to talk about this a little later, one and done. Guys, I mentioned Jalen Pope. If you look at Quentin Johnson, if you look at his rookie year, you'd have thought he was a bus. Y'all quit the labor thought he was a bus. Y'all quit the labor of somebody a bus after one year. That can tell y'all y'all don't know football.

Cause y'all expect everybody to be Jamar Chase. Y'all expect every receiver to be Justin Jefferson. Y'all expect every running back to be Derrick Henry, Barry Sanders, Emmett Smith. Sometimes it takes longer. Everybody, every tight end that come in the league ain't gonna be Brock Bowers, every quarterback Angle B, Angle B,

you know, start off like B Jane Daniels. But that's what y'all expect, because y'all don't know the game, because y'all just expect everybody automatically to boom, boom, boom. This is come out like gangbusters. It doesn't work like that.

I said, Jaylen Polk, you should be happy. Oh, I don't watch football. Well, if I didn't watch football, how the hell I know Jaylen Polk, you should be happy. The, oh, I don't watch football. Well, if I didn't watch football, how the hell I know Jaylen Polk was on the Patriots? Oh, oh, you do watch football. But anyway, as I was saying, sometimes, Ocho, it takes you a little longer to mature and turn into the players that they thought you,

now, that doesn't always happen. Sometimes you have a bad rookie year, a bad senior year, a bad third year, and they get your ass out of there. One of my former teammates' son, they took him into Eagles. They took Jaylen, I think, what did it ring him? Didn't he go to Jaylen Rigger? Didn't he go to the Eagles?

That's my dude, man. I love Rigger, man. About the Eagles. And think about who they passed on. They left Justin Jefferson on the board. Yeah. Look Eagles. And think about who they passed on. They left Justin Jefferson on the board. Yeah. Look at some of the guys that they passed on. And it didn't work out for whatever reasons.

But sometimes, guys need a little bit more time to get, because the NFL game is different than the collegiate game. Yeah. Guys put hands on you, especially once they find out you have trouble against press coverage. Getting off, Yeah, man. Yeah.

Everybody's gonna put hands on you. Yeah. That's just the way it is. Once, that's how, but the film study is different because once a guy find out your weakness, well, you gonna have to get up out of that. Yeah. It's just like Agent Peterson had to break the habit

of fumbling the football because they started tacking the football. You got a problem putting that ball in the dirt? Ooh, we gonna try to punch it out every time, won't you? Oh, you got a problem putting that ball on the dirt. Ooh, we're going to try to punch it out every time. Oh, you got a problem getting off press coverage. Yeah. And listen, everybody do a thing like Nusta Hayes. Listen, and obviously, and then when you do have issues like that at the

receiver position, you know, then you make your offense, a coordinated job, a little bit more, a little bit more difficult because now you got a scheme you open. Yeah. Yeah. Now they have to find ways to push your positions, the free yourself up and get you open on their own. Instead of, I call it, I call it as a receiver. You can make your coach, your coach's job that much more easier.

The more you're able to do, the more you can do as far as your skill set is concerned, the easier you make everyone's job around. Right. Right. Yeah, I mean, but I can only scheme so much, Ocho. There's only so many times I can stack the formation, I can bunch the formation, I can motion the formation. At some point in time, I gotta put you outside of number and say, son, go get open.

Yeah. Hell. Yeah. Oh yeah. At some point in time, I'm gonna need you, and this is what I tell guys, I'm gonna need you to play above the play sheet. That's what I'm gonna need. I got all these plays, I got 200 plays on the sheet, but I'm gonna need you to play above that. I like that.

And that's what I always tell the young, yes, they got all those plays, but sometimes I need you to play above that, because I can't always diagram plays to scheme you open right I need you to go get open Just like on the defense. Yeah, I can run all these twists and exits and I can run a text I can run a wax I can run, you know, I can run a swim I can do all this stuff. Yeah, but at some point time so I just go beat the man in front of you. Damn That's what it comes down to so just go beat the man in front of you. Damn. That's what it comes down to, son.

Just go beat the man in front of you. Right. And it's really that simple. So we'll see what Coach Belichick does. Tom Brady's had great success with Coach Belichick. He knows that system work, but he also knows he needs a quarterback and to make that system work.

Right. Because defensively, he's gonna be able to scheme it up. He's gonna try to minimize the mistakes. He knows that you pay a heavy price when you turn the football over. He knows nothing cheap, nothing deep. Coach Belichick does not like to give up big plays. He wants you to go on 12, 13, 15 play drive because there's a greater chance. If you have a 15 play drive, that something will happen.

Or if you let somebody bomb over your head in three plays. So that's what coach Belichick tries to do. He tries to make you nickel and dime your way down the field. Now, if he get a ghillie, defensive player of the year, or he'll get a rebus, now he ain't got no problem playing man coverage if he got the dawg to go play it. And the funny thing about it,

it's what Bill will do if you don't know Bill. When you play the better teams, he gonna put the best corner, let's say like a Rivas, he gonna put Rivas on the number two and then on your number one, he gonna double your number one. Yep. Yep. That's what, and that's, that's how a lot of guys do it.

And, uh, but coach Belichick, uh, we'll see what he does. I know at the end of the day, he wants to be in the NFL. I mean, I've never seen a coach like this, this credential, go back, go down, but it just goes to show you how much he loves coaching. He wants to coach, he's a coach, and he needs to partake that knowledge and wisdom on someone and just sitting around talking to you,

slapping them inside the NFL, that wasn't good enough for him. Yeah. So it's great. Also, I think he likes the challenge. I think he likes that it presents, and it's something good for him to somewhat dominate outside just like he did in the NFL.

So, I'm sure he's gonna enjoy it. Gerard Mayo struggled with discipline and how to enforce it. Pat players lost faith in Mayo during the season. Gerard Mayo played cards with players after Arizona lost instead of watching film with assistant coaches. The report says, on the long cranked plane ride back, most of Mayo's assistant grabbed their laptops and steady cutups from the loss,

the customary move for NFL coaches during a return flight after the game. But in a move that surprised some at the front of the plane after such a lopsided loss according to a team source, Mayo left his spot near the front and went back where some of the players had gathered to play cards choosing to hang out while his assistant watched film. What you think, my down? You think that's true? For them to get off that man after one year, Ocho? And then I don't like the whole I lost faith in my coach,

man, listen, you have a job to do. You have a job to do. Your faith is supposed to be in you. As a head coach, he has a job to do. Boom, exit nose, leader of men, all that stuff, man. All that I have faith in. I ain't trying to hear all that. You got a job to do. You go to practice every day, you're a grown man,

you get paid to play a goddamn game that you love. I don't want anybody to know. If he was an assistant coach, if he was assistant coach, and he wanted to go, as the head coach, you can't do that. Yeah, yeah, you can't do that, I understand. Not the head guy. Right. Now, if you're a head coach, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't do it. I don't understand. Not the head guy. Right.

Now, if you're a position coach, but normally, normally, you ain't do none of that issue after a loss. No. You ain't playing no cards. I don't know what type of playing they own. Right. That wasn't no soul playing.

When we lost, that thing was silent. Quiet. And you were search mouse. You whispering. Yeah. Ain't were search mouse. You whispered. Yeah. Ain't no, now you win. Oh yeah. We're going cautious to the way.

Yeah. You wow. You wow. Yes. Yes. And we playing card before, you know, uh, we start, I mean, we all, you know, we always had what advertisers and sponsors that ride the plane, baby. We used to roll dice, baby.

We don't took our jacket off, loosened up our ties shirt. Hey, we rolling dice. Until Mike came back and said, guys, it's not... Until Mike came back, Mike told us, hey, it's not a good look. We got sponsors, we got advertisers riding the plane. Look, I understand that you guys wanna have, but hey, let's not roll the dice,

let's not have money. Okay, hey, what room you in? I don't know, bro. What? Let's not roll the dice. Let's not have money out. Okay. Hey, what room you in? Yeah, hey, hey so hey So, you know cuz they have they they have all the keys, you know room on the table When you walk a oh children even eight eight twenty five. Yeah. Hey man, I'm a Car game dice game up at at 825. I remember them days. But like I said, on the plane that I was on,

it wasn't a whole lot of noise going on when we lost the game, won't you? Yeah. Now, you know, for a couple of years, we didn't lose a whole lot of games. I think in 96, 97, 98, we lost what? Three, seven, we lost nine games in three years. So there was a lot of hoopla, a lot of fun going on.

But for the most part, man, you ain't doing no talking. But what did I want to talk about? I'm mad. We lost. I'm mad. I'm sore. I'm moody. I'm irritable.

Nah. Yeah. I mean, there's certain things, you know, as an head coach that you can do, especially after loss. When I think about it, a coach like that, he's a player's coach, he's someone that played the game. I think he's a little different than Dan Campbell, but I can see Dan Campbell doing something like that.

You know? Yeah, after win? But instead, like any head coach to Ocho, a head coach still, even after we, you have to rise above stuff like that. Now we have some, some, some, uh, like position coaches. They would come in and shoot, shoot shots with us or, you know, they would, you know, they would do certain things, but not Mike, not Brian, not hell. Nah. And Dan Reed, first of all, what another day coach you're doing that.

Cause Dan was old school and all these damn coaches was old school. Old school. Hell, now that was going to fly. And the funny thing about it is we're thinking about it from a perspective of how old school coaches would be. But I'm thinking about this generation, this generation and the younger coaches, you know, to not relate to the players more, but be able to connect with the players more and doing some of the things that

would be normally be frowned upon, you know, when it comes to head coaching position. So I kind of see it when I kind of don't and I kind of stand what you want to say. We're saying as a head coach, you just can't be doing that. There's certain things you just can't do, Ocho. Right, right. But here, but also Ocho, you got to realize it's only one year removed from Coach Belichick. So you're gonna have to get some years in there before you get that idea, that ideology,

and that line of thinking out of the building. Because a lot of those people are still thinking the same way. And so once you get a couple years, you win. Now you get, now, and I get what he was trying to do. He was trying to like, okay, coach Belichick get it this way, but I think coach Belichick was Let's just say this is far as you can go left right that's far as you can go I think he went too far right right instead of finding someplace in the middle, Ocho

I thought he maybe have gone too far to the right Okay, you try to say well I'm going as far away from what coach Belichick did is I possibly can. And sometimes we have to find a middle ground in order to operate to get the job done. But, uh, yeah, but I think everybody was surprised. I mean, I didn't expect to hear this come, this coming out. And it came from, like I said, Ocho, it's hard, man, when people team sources,

when, like I said, when people start, people don't wanna get sued. Right. For putting out faulty reports. Just like Jimmy Butler's agent did all that talking. Oh, Shams, I don't normally take time. Now look. Yeah.

Shams says, I've never vetted a story more than I vetted this story. Mm-hmm. He did all that hollabaloo, all that hollering and yelling and screaming I've never vetted a story more than I vetted this story. He did all that hollabaloo, all that hollering, yelling, and screaming to try to direct, yeah, that was true. Right, yeah. And come to find out, it was true. And that's what you have to be careful of.

Cause like I said, if there was no leaks, there was no NFL source, no team source, why would we need Adam Shafkin? Why would we need a Jay Glazer? What do you think they get that from? Yeah. And kind of got a car from somewhere. They built a relationship because guess what, Ocho, a coach might be one place.

You got a relationship with him. Guess what? He goes to another place. You still got that relationship with him. A general manager is at one place. He goes to another place. You still got that relationship with him. Guess what? He goes to another place. You still got that relationship with him. A general manager is at one place. He goes to another place. You still got that relationship with him. You've built up a relationship with a player.

Player move boom, boom, boom, boom. Guess what you do, Ocho? You got a, you got a source. Boom, boom, boom, boom. They don't look, people don't look at it like that. Oh, he lying. He lying. I'm telling you how it works.

I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you how it works. I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. Everything come from somewhere. Right, and that's why they say my source. Well, if you ever, if Adam Shepter ever outed any one of his sources, he never work another day again. No. If Jay Glazer, if any, if Shams or Awoge,

when they were reporting, said, I got this from X, they would never never work another day. Cause nobody will ever give him. And when they give you information, you didn't get it from me. Right. Okay. Put it in your words, make it sound like you talking. I ain't telling what somebody told you.

I'm telling what I know. But they get mad at me when I was talking about stuff that I knew for fact, oh, how you know you in the locker room? I might as well be. I might as well be in the locker room. Oh yeah. But you know this. I don't really do this anymore because I'm like away from it.

But I know this. But when people say what I was saying, what I was saying, what I was on there, ain't nobody say she out of line. Nah. That was the fan talking about I don't know what I'm saying, what I was saying when I was on there. Ain't nobody say she had a lie. Nah. That was the fan talking about, I don't know what I'm talking about. But ain't nobody in the organization,

not a player, not a coach, not a GM, ever say, oh, I don't know, that ain't, that ain't. I'm just saying, I'm just saying it. So I like, I feel bad, cause one year is not a lot of time. A lot. One year, one year is nothing. That's the shortest leash ever.

And all that is, is admitting that I think I made the wrong choice when you thought I was the successor for Bill Belichick. He paid handpicked. Yeah. You got handpicked. You gotta get, you gotta give him a chance. He pay hand-picked it. Yeah, you got- Hand-picked it. You gotta give him a chance. He didn't even give him a chance. And then not only that, you interview Byron Lefwich,

you interview Pep Hamilton, you know- Man, you ain't finna hide none of them. Listen, you gotta check the boxes for the ruling rule. You gotta check the boxes. You know you're gonna bring in Vrabel. You know you're gonna bring in Vrabel and allow him to take over. And now Brayville will get the grace,

you know, to continue to improve the team. Right away, he'll get more than a year. But he also got to figure your quarterback. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, he'll benefit from that. He'll benefit from that. Drake May has shown flashes of being a very good quarterback. And obviously as a rookie, he's at his bad moments.

Yes. You know, which is normal. They have a good quarterback though. They have a good quarterback. They have to work with him in the future. Ocho, even if that was the case, I hate that somebody put that out there because that makes him look bad for his next employee. And that's the thing that I don't like. Okay, all that might be true. I'm not saying that it is. I'm not saying that it isn't because I don't know. And I haven't

called in Iran because I don't care enough to call around and ask and find out if it was true. But all I'm saying is that that follows you. If somebody put that out there, so that's why you got to be careful. What you allow people to say about you because that follow you to your next job. That follows you to your next employment. Go ahead, Ocho. What you think about Vraeble coming back, right? Well, he's coming back regardless. What you think about Mayo taking it,

going back to the DDSA coordinator job? I don't like that. You don't like that at all? Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. You're the CEO of a company. Right. And somebody hired a new CEO, and they said,

okay, Ocho, you go back to work to be the president. You cool with that? No, I'm not cool with it. Exactly. You might go be the president at somebody else's company. Right. But you ain't gonna be the president at that company. Right. Okay, I was just curious. I was just curious. I'm calling. Exactly. You might go be the president at somebody else company, but you ain't gonna be the president at that company.

Right. Okay. I'll just curate that. I'll just curate that. Listen, having a job is better than not having one at all. Because you got to have a job. Hold on. They gave me three years. I got two more years to pay. Okay. I see. I see. Well, I might not have no job, but I got money coming. I got no job, but I do, but I do got money coming in.

All right, that's a good one. When you put it like that, okay. I don't know why you so need it, bro. You ain't never been like this. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback, Matt Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one

mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Stars. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored.

They changed it. And the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink. There was something sentimental when you sent it. And the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink. There was something sentimental when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now? I don't like the color edition. It's extremely pink.

Listen to lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple you get your podcasts. and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers. Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL network analyst. And boy, oh boy, does daddy have a lot to say.

I love you, by the way, on NHL Network. We're looking forward to getting together each week to chat and chirp about the sport and all the other things surrounding it that we love, right? Yeah, I just met you today but we're gonna have a ton of guests from the colliding worlds of hockey, entertainment, and pop culture and you know what? Tons of back and forth on all things NHL. Yeah, you're gonna soon gonna find out we're not just hockey talk. We have all kinds of random stuff on this podcast, movies, television, food,

wrestling, even the stuff that you wear on NHL Now. You wish you could pull off my short shorts, Virky. That's sure to cause a ruckus. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers, the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's going on everybody? This is Justin Pennick from Jumbo Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL.

We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything, we break it down. Stats, analytics, and of course Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro

in the media world as well. Listen to football today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run. Oh Joe, Mike McDaniels said that some players have been repeatedly late this year and five multiple times. He said that the fines haven been repeatedly late this year and fined multiple times. He said the fines haven't been effective and nothing moved the needle.

Let's take a listen to what he had to say. I can fine people until they're blue in the face. I can take their money. I can yell at them. But until they understand that part of the reason that we're in the position is controllable and we have to with absolute certainty and zero tolerance for anything else we have to clean the controllables up and we can have a chance to have success together so certain specific individuals that you know I don't think it was across the

board there's a lot of guys that You know had certain fines before that didn't have any there were some people that had multiple that you know, I think there's different ways to to kind of counteract that bring it up as a team and and Continue to find guys wasn't wasn't enough so I'm not going to continue to just place all blame on even some of the smallest of individuals that were multiple offenders. I'm going to adjust my process and make sure that it's team-wide knowledge any time that things are done that aren't in the best interest of winning football game. Hey, uh, Hey, let me tell you something.

But when you lose it, huh? When you lose them, you notice how everything is magnified. When you lose, never accept anything in a win. You wouldn't in a loss. It's hard for me to believe that they just started showing up late this year. Now I could be totally wrong, Ocho, I'm not there. But it's just hard for me to believe that guys, because being late is a repeated behavior. It is Miami, huh? You know that, huh? It is Miami. You know them late nights at Tussies, them late nights at G5, or late nights at club space

and all the stuff they have going on. You know not winning? I can understand. Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah, but can I ask you a question? Yes. Why are they talking about that? Why are they talking about that today anyway?

Why is that even a concern? Or is he using that as a question on why they were losing? Well, I mean, it just goes to show you just how little control that coaches have, especially when you let that behavior go. You have an hour, it's gonna be hard for him to crack down because he's been so lenient.

It's easier to be hard and lighten up as opposed to be light and try to toughen up. Right. And I've been in such, I understand it. It was a lot easier for me to deal with anything after I had Coach Reeves. Coach Reeves was old school. He played for Coach Landry. He was an offensive coordinator under Coach Landry.

And Coach Landry was very matter of fact Coach Landry. There was no nonsense. You get that bulljie. And so anything that came after that, there was no nonsense, you did not bullshy. And so anything that came after that, it was hard for me to believe, unless I got Coach Lombardi, that it was gonna be any tougher than what I had to deal with with Coach Reed.

But my grandpa, but see also, the way I grew up, very structured, just what you do, if you don't do it, I'm gonna tear your ass up. It was simple for me, it was what? No, well, I wonder what happened. If you don't do it, I'm gonna tear your ass up. It was simple for me. It was what? No, well, I wonder what happened. If I don't take this trash out and Papa told me to take this trash out,

I wonder what's gonna happen. Yeah, okay. Granny told me to have this grass cut by the time she got off work. I wonder what's gonna happen. There was no wondering. There was no, I don't know what's gonna happen. But it's because now these players

don't have no fear of authority. You make so much money. So if you take a thousand dollars, you take $2,000. That don't mean nothing to this. And you also have to remember players that do come late and those that these things you're regular normal players. You know that. Yeah.

He's talking about what's going on. These are his best players that are late. Oh yeah. That's to doing it. Cause obviously his best players, not only that. Oh yeah, that's who doing it, because obviously the players who don't make that kind of money, the players who aren't superstars, ain't the ones showing up late.

No! That's definitely not what's happening. So listen, you talk to your big dogs, you talk to your players that had that darned-that-C on your chest on the jersey, and have them get them boys in line, get them in order. Well, how can they get in line if they late? I mean, how can you tell me, how can you tell me to be on time when I'm sitting

in my chair and you walking in five, 10 minutes late, you late to practice. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm trying to be. I can see guys, you know, guys, hey guys, you come out there, shoes untied, everything, cause hey, Mike, two o'clock, you ain't gonna be on that feed. Right. Hey, you might have your shoulder pads, hey,

and Mike still might be in one of the moves they say you late, cause your shoulder pads, you ain't dressed accordingly. So that still might cost you. Right, right, right, right. But I'm trying to figure out, Ocho, how do you late when you already there? Yeah.

Ocho, I can't say I see, but Ocho, you already in the damn building. How you late for practice when you already at the place you need to practice at? Right. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They gotta get it together though.

I know that. Look, I was late. I've been late twice in my life. Once I depended on somebody else. That won't happen again. That's why I don't depend on nobody else. And then it was a snow storm. And Mike today, when did you realize

it was gonna be a storm? You should have left earlier. You right. You right, go ahead and take the little 1200 out my check. You right. I'm wrong. Hey, it wasn't like I didn't, hey, I'm in Colorado. Right.

It was snowing when I left. It was snowing when I left. When I left, as a matter of fact, we have played in Carolina. I'm off as a player of the game. Oh Joe, I don't think if I hadn't been off as a player of the game, I don't even know if he didn't know I was late. Cause he called off as a player of the game. Hey, hey, this guy has seven catches, a buck 74.

Hey, I'm all pro. 84. Present. Man, somebody say, hey, hey, thank all pro 84. Present. Man, somebody say, hey, hey, thank you coach, damn. Ocho, Ocho, you can't be, Ocho, late to meetings. Yeah. Late to practice, come on guys. But see, but see, that just goes to show you.

That is why teams don't win. Y'all, y'all see, y'all see, y'all think it's all about the game. All fans see is the game. Games are won Monday through Friday. Monday through Friday, because the discipline that it requires you to get your ass to practice on time, get your ass to meetings on time. That's the discipline that you will need to display

come Sunday in order to win. I never understood that. I'm glad that I grew up how I grew up. I didn't understanding at the time that why my grandfather, everything was punctual. We was always the first to church. Church don't start for another 30 minutes, but we there sitting in the damn car. And then 15 minutes before we sitting on the front seat first to church. Church don't start for another 30 minutes, but we there sitting in the damn car.

And then 15 minutes before, we sitting on the front seat in the church. Ain't nobody else there, but Barney Mary Porter gonna make sure your black ass was there. I just, but that's just, look, that's just me. That's just me, I'm gonna be on time. I just think that's just a common courtesy.

I think everybody should be on time. That's not asking too much. That's your job. I'm trying to figure out what other job does an NFL player have, Ocho, that will require him to be late? I get it. Maybe for some unforeseen circumstances,

there was an emergency. Child got sick, you had to take your child, mom or wife, girlfriend. So I get it. There are extenuating circumstances, but it seems like every time there's a new coach, I got an uncle and aunt that came back to life. You can't wear like that.

That's why I'm glad I don't play today. I don't care if the salary, if tight end salaries got to a hundred million, because I care more about winning and these guys don't. And fans get upset with me, share the how you know. This is how you know. Yeah. One thing about it, when you're winning is looked over That's why you don't look over when you're losing

Everything is magnified every mistake every mistake anything you're doing wrong as a team as an individual It's used as a reason on why we're not winning That's why you don't overlook it when you're winning Mike Mike Shanahan didn't say, oh, guys, we winning. So you miss weight. Don't worry about it this week. He didn't say, oh, we winning. We don't want 12. We don't want eight in a row.

We don't want nine in a row. We this or that. No, no, no, no, no, no. And guys that lead, you can't ask more than you're willing to give. How you gonna ask a player to do something that you showed up late? Get the F out my face. You were late.

Right. And then you mess around and you blowing assignment. And then you looking around at everybody else. And you messed up. I got no, that's like I said, God put me in the situation. He made me be born in 68. Now we look, I talked to a lot of the guys,

man, man, you may tell me my mom couldn't wait another three or four years. Hell, I was my mom's last kid at 25. You could have waited until I was, until you were 32 and dropped me. Right. Hey, no, I want no part of that, Ocho. These guys don't care.

They don't care enough. I'm not saying they don't care. They don't care enough. I'm not saying they don't care. They don't care enough. Losing don't bother them. You know why? Because you're not invested enough. Anytime, let me ask you a question, Ocho. If you put your money in something

and you lost a million dollars, you're gonna be very upset because you know how hard you worked for that damn million dollars, didn't you? Absolutely. There you go. That's what I want people to see. Yeah.

You know why I care so much? Because I know how much time that I spent in doing this. What I denied myself, how I denied my family, how I denied sleep, eat, a lot of just to be this. A lot of sacrifice. So it hurt when it doesn't work out. Yeah. It don't bother people enough. It doesn't work out. Yeah. It don't bother people enough.

It doesn't. Jagzon and Sean Khan saying that he'll get rid of GM Trent Baalke if a prospective head coach gives Khan a credible reason. With Baalke right there. Ocho, you gotta watch this. Listen to this. If they were to say, I would like to reevaluate

the front office and the general manager, what would your response be? My response would be how would you improve it? And then if it is credible, you know, I mean, you want to do it. Okay. Does he not realize Tripp Barker is on the video Zoom with him? I don't know what's wrong with brother Khan, man. I have no idea.

He has a lot of issues going on. Listen, bulky has his ruin with some of the picks and some of the things that he's brought in. I'm not sure what's wrong with Trevor Lawrence. Uh, right now, the only shining bright light they have over there in Jacksonville is Brian Thomas Jr. I'm hoping Trevor Lawrence can live up to the hype, the money he's being paid, and he bounces back.

The Jaguars don't even have nowhere to play next year, unk. You know that? Why? What's wrong with that? What's wrong with the stadium they're playing? I think they're renovating the stadium or something is going on where their new stadium is not going to be ready for two years. Something to that magnitude. So where they going to play at?

I have no idea. I mean, Orlando is right down the street. Gainesville is right down the street and their stadium that can hold the amount of people that can see the NFL stadium. But I mean, I don't think they're a team that's going to sell out. If they're going to be, if they're going to be fans in the seats, they come to see Brian Thomas, Jr. I can tell you that. The Jacksonville used to be good.

I don't know. Some, some is wrong with, with owners and in to be the owners of teams. They don't act like they're owners. Jerry Jones doesn't act like an owner. Uh, Mr. Conny doesn't act like they're owners. Jerry Jones doesn't act like an owner. Mr. Conny doesn't act like he's the owner. You know, do you know how many coaches he's been through? Yeah. You know how many coaches, head coaches he's been through?

Like, and it starts at the top and it starts with you. It starts with you and making better decisions and ball key too, as a GM. Better decision making. I mean, but again, when you're the owner, you can do this. You can do this. Yeah, look, I'm old enough to remember when Jacksonville had really good teams, when they had Kenan and they had Smith, Jimmy Smith,

and they had Natron and they had Brunel, and the stadium was packed. Oh yeah. I remember that. So Jacksonville fans will come out. Oh yeah. If you give them something to come out for. Yeah. Cause that's a football town.

The closest basketball, I guess, is Atlanta or Miami. Yeah. Or you can go to Atlanta or Orlando. But that's football area. The South is Atlanta or Miami. Yeah. Or let, well, you can go to Orlando, but that's a, that's football area. The South is football. Always. I don't care what anybody tell you. Yeah.

It's football. The South is football. And they like, they like college football. The Gators, Tallahassee right up, right up. But it's a football town. Yeah. And if Jacksonville gave them something, those fans coming out. Cause I've seen it.

I've seen it every time, but it doesn't, I mean, you keep, you keep the general manager who hired the head coach, but you fired a head coach and then if another coach comes in and give you, okay, I can't work with Balky. I want somebody that I'm in unison with. Yeah, that you can trust. Yes. Start there. You can trust.

And plus I got to get him out of there because you're already too close to the owner. So I got a feeling that you're going to be in his ear and you're going to be putting bull jive in his ear. So I need to get you out of the building. That's first and foremost. That's the first and foremost thing that I'm going to do. Bingo. So I need to build a situation where me and the general manager were like this year and I can go to the owner.

If I, if me and you can't agree on something. Right. But Trey Balke is already too close because he got a three year relationship or two or three year, uh, head start terms in the relationship than what I have. And he's already in his ear because that's why he stayed in and Dougie P is gone. And now I'm good. I don't, I don't, but like I said, I don't know don't know look Trevor Lawrence is gonna have to play better than what he's played They got a great they got a great look they got Brian Thomas. You they got every Ingram they got tank And they got ATN yeah, so they got they got some nice solid pieces

They got some pieces on defense. I think they need to improve the back end, but they got some, they got some guys up front. Yeah. Some new work with, and you, you, you would expect, you would expect from what we saw from Trevor Lawrence at Clemson, his growth, he should be growing and getting better year to year and instead he's regressing. He's regressing, but the emergency, Brian Thomas Jr. should make it in job a little easier. He's just making job a little easier. Let me turn his air off, man.

I mean, you're free. Yeah, but they had some pieces. I mean, Kristin Kirk, but I think Kirk got injured. Brian Thomas Jr. Tank Billingsley, I think that's his name. A Bigsby, Tank Bigsby. I think Bigsby is his name. He got ATN, they got Evan Ingram.

Yeah. But they got, they got some nice pieces on the offensive side, but Trevor Lawrence need to play like the number one overall draft pick, they need to play like the guy they selected him to be. He got, he has to be more consistent and he got to stay healthy. Yeah. Got her in that paycheck, baby. Yeah.

Uh, what, what is the Jags pick this year? If they're a corner that's available, they need, I think they, look, it all depends on what they're going to do. They pick five? They pick five, Ocho. What you think they? At five? If Travis Hunter, then I'm taking Travis Hunter, so no brain.

Man, Travis Hunter ain't even be at no five, man. I'm just saying, just, just if he is. Oh, hypothetically speaking, yeah. Yeah. He ain't even be in no five, man. I'm just saying, just if he is. Oh, hypothetically speaking, yeah. He ain't gonna be there. I'd absolutely probably go offensive line or defensive line on one or the other.

See that? I mean, normally guys have a kid. I think he and his wife just welcomed a baby girl. Guys normally play well. Look at my own kid. Philip Rivers kid. Big Ben had kids. Look at my own kid, Philip Rivers kid, Big Ben had kids, you know, guys, Peyton. Brady had his baby, hey, Brady was a full super last,

he started having kids. He had three, then he wanted four more. Oh yeah. So hey, this might be the start of something, old chump. I don't know. But yeah, the Jazz gotta do better than this. They gotta give those fans something that they can get their, sink their teeth in,

they can put their arms around and be proud of. I ain't talking about Duval, cause Duval's where they go into the Super Bowl every year. And then Duval, we also bulljab. But let him tell it, they go, hey, they go beat Kansas City, they go into the Super Bowl every year. Duvall sound like a cowboy face.

Illusional. You think they take a O-line or D-line? Yeah, O-line or D-line. I'm trying to think. There are no skilled position players. The quarterbacks are going first. Travis Hunter will be going before pick five. So, I mean, there's some good O-line and D-linemen

that are out there that are going to go in the early rounds. Yeah. The mock draft have them taking the D lineman out of Michigan. Oh see It is they probably should have took Hutchinson over the guy that they took Hutch Remember they had they had the number one pick and they took the guy out of Georgia Oh Trayvon Walker Forgot of all the think about all the draft

picks that he was, all the high draft picks that he was playing around. Right, right, right, right, right. Trayvon Walker didn't, he didn't have a bad season, did he? He had no, Hutch had seven and a half sacks and got, and missed. Missed, yeah. 12 games. Yeah, Hutch was balled, I mean, but Hutch. And he went to, didn't he go to the Pro Bowl last year? He went to the Pro Bowl last year. Yeah, Huss, real deal, boy. He's real deal. He is worth, he is as advertised. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards,

multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Stars. So where else you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music, and a little bit everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liars Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

listen to podcasts. What's up, everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast. It's NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demers. Jason Demers here and after playing 700 NHL games, I got a lot of dirty laundry to air out. Hey, I got a lot to say here too, okay? Each week we'll get together to chat about the sport that we love. Tons of guests are going to join in too, but we're not just going to be talking hockey

folks. We're talking movies, we're talking TV, food, and Adnan's favorite, wrestling. It's all on Le Table. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, everyone? It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking

down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to football today on the iHeartRadioApple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did.