Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Brandon Aiyuk joins the show

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by San Francisco 49ers WR Brandon Aiyuk to discuss their Super Bowl loss to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. They also discuss Aiyuk's... ongoing contract negotiations with San Francisco and he fires back at QB Brock Purdy's social media haters. 02:45 - Start of show 10:40 - Mike McCarthy tells people not to feel sorry for him  25:00 - Brandon Aiyuk joins the show 30:00 - Aiyuk on contract situation “They’re trying to get it done. I’ve done things the right way since I’ve in the building” 34:45 - Unc asks Aiyuk if he thinks about Super Bowl play when he was open 37:00  Why doesn’t Brock Purdy get his props?  38:30 - Aiyuk on where he fits amongst the best WRs  54:30 - Caleb Williams response to criticism of pink nails   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)      #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:24 Void in Ontario, one no-sweat bet per new customer Issued as one bonus bet based on amount of initial losing bet Hello, ladies and gentlemen thank you for joining us for another episode of nightcap i am your favorite uh shannon sharp he's your favorite number 85 route runner extraordinaire bingles ring of fame honoree a pro bowler a pro bowler an all pro yes from Liberty City with the Santa Monica Junior College Oregon State. Got to talk to you later today. I met a couple of guys that currently go to Oregon State when I was out here in Colorado and they told me to tell you what's up. Liberty City's
Starting point is 00:03:16 own Mr. Ray Rosado himself. Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got to have some confetti come down on top of your song. We'll get that fake applause going. Yeah, yeah.
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Starting point is 00:04:39 that. Uh, shout out to Outway for hooking us up. These custom t-shirts. Look at your boy Woo Hey, boy, that thing ain't that sharp Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute That's nice, but where mine? She sent you one
Starting point is 00:04:55 Who sent me one? As a matter of fact, she gave them to you She gave them to us, we was there Dr. Bellamy. Okay, okay. I'm just making a show now. I'm making a show. I'm making a show.
Starting point is 00:05:11 Matter of fact, you know what's funny? Let me tell you how bad I am. That suitcase from Vegas? Ask me if I unpacked it yet. You unpacked it? You hadn't unpacked it yet? Hell no. Everything I got from Vegas that people gave me,
Starting point is 00:05:24 anything that i bought well i only only only went to the um i only went to h&m all that stuff is still in my suitcase man oh my bad the uh uh ash is telling us these are these aren't the ones that dr bellamy gave us at the uh we're wearing the these t-shirt came out from uh outweigh i guess they have a uh a t-shirt business uh and they hooked us up so uh oh oh wait a day business and they hooked us up. So, oh, wait a day. You said they hooked us up. Who is us? Because you the only one with one.
Starting point is 00:05:51 They hooked me up. Oh, I'll tell you who else is me myself. And I people got these shirts. They say they only make them an extra large and they knew you weren't going to be able to fit it. So, yeah, they say you look't gonna be able to fit it so yeah they say you look like a geriatric and they didn't want that to happen now hey listen ain't nothing geriatric about this baby ain't nothing listen i'm i'm 225 6 3 225 all day every day but it's cool if they would like to send me if they would like to see me a t-shirt i would like to have one
Starting point is 00:06:21 so i could wear and i hope ash doesn't steal it. You know, Ash has... I don't know. I think Ash is the klepto. Because you're plaid. It's supposed to have been there, Ocho. I don't know how Gil got his before you got yours. Because you held on to it instead of sending it to me. Don't blame it on Ash.
Starting point is 00:06:39 It was your job. This is our show. You can't blame anything on Ash. It's your job to get anything that's sent to you, sent to me. Amazon has next day delivery. Next day delivery. You don't believe Jeff Bezos when you don't get your damn packages? Well, I wouldn't have to blame Jeff because Jeff isn't hands on.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Okay, I ain't hands on. I ain't working in the mail room. You are working in the mail room when you get your mail and it say, oh, you say, oh, they sent me two plaques. You know what? If you would have thought of me, you would have said, you know what? Let me get this out to Ocho right now so he can have his plaque so we can introduce him on the show together.
Starting point is 00:07:14 That would have been a good idea. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. It would have been a good idea if I had my damn plaque. I don't know what happened, Ocho. Ocho, but you know, you're born here in Colorado. And I had some appearances for La Portia. And I must honestly say, the people in Colorado, they showed up for you, boy, today. Ocho, we have a young lady.
Starting point is 00:07:36 She's in the military. She drove 23 hours nonstop from Birmingham, Alabama, because she heard I was going to be at a Total Wines today at County Line. So she drove nonstop. She purchased a case of LaPorte 8. Wait, not one. A whole case.
Starting point is 00:07:58 Now for better context on purchasing the whole case, can you tell the chat how much a whole case costs? I don't know because what we sell it for and then what the distrib we sell it for and then what the distributors sell it for and then what the store sell it for, but for her, even if it costs $50,
Starting point is 00:08:13 think about it. Who drives 23 hours nonstop? 23 hours. Listen, that's special. She's in the military. I hope you took a picture with her. Yeah, we took a picture. She got some stuff signed. She's in the military. she was supposed to be in the field she found out a week or so ago that i was going to be in colorado she scheduled her field assignment to be in colorado so not only could she pick up the shade bottle of 48 but to actually meet me. We had a guy came from Texas. He bought 10 bottles.
Starting point is 00:08:47 A lot of the people like, man, I've already had four bottles. I've already purchased five bottles. And one dude, Ocho, he was in the military. He said, my man, I spent 300 days in Afghanistan and Iraq, and I've never
Starting point is 00:09:02 been as nervous as I am standing right next to you to meet you and talking to you. The man spent 300 days in Afghanistan and Iraq. And he said, I mean, it was such a great feeling to go to the Total Wise, to go to the Davidsons. I went to a
Starting point is 00:09:18 GSM meeting. It was great. So thank you, Colorado, for being so supportive and supporting your favorite unk. I wasn't unk when I was great. So thank you, Colorado, for being so supportive and supporting your favorite unk. I wasn't unk when I was here. I came back as unk, but thank you for supporting Shea, Sharp, whatever you guys call me.
Starting point is 00:09:32 I really, really appreciate it because none of this is special. None of this is possible without you guys. So I just want to take time to shout you guys out. Thanks to the team. Jamie came into town. Eugene does a great job because it's his job to. Thanks to the team. Jamie came into town. Eugene does a great job because it's his job to get us into the States,
Starting point is 00:09:50 get us into distributors and get it in the shelves and get it into on-premise beef bars, restaurants, and hotels. So thank you to all the team
Starting point is 00:09:58 that worked very hard to make this happen. Ocho, we have a very special guest tonight. Brandon Ayuk will be joining. Brandon Ayuk. Yeah, be joining Brandon Ayuk. Yeah, boy.
Starting point is 00:10:09 I'm on his ass too, boy. I'm on his head, man. I hope he ready to talk. Oh, he ready. I don't want, listen, I don't want none of that politically correct. I don't want none of them politically correct answers like you're a quarterback. You come on here,
Starting point is 00:10:20 we talking like you're in the locker room or like we in the barbershop. That's how we gonna do it. I wanna make sure. Don't come on here with that pretty stuff i'm gonna let him know i'm gonna let you get first crack at it once i introduce him yeah it's time for our first segment of the night and it's a news cap mike Mike McCarthy says, don't feel bad for me.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Mike McCarthy says he isn't looking for pity. Don't feel bad for me. I'm in a great spot. It's not an issue. You have such. I have the same approach every year. That's the way I've gone about it. Mike McCarthy had all the talent in the world,
Starting point is 00:11:05 only for his team to be one and three in the postseason, and that's what he has to show. His contract expires at the end of the season. So does Dak Prescott. Ocho, I would like things I've never heard people say for 1,000. What is, I feel sorry for Mike McCarthy. Who in the hell said that? Nobody. Nobody at all but listen
Starting point is 00:11:27 for one as fans fans of Cowboys fans probably feel sorry for Mike McCarthy you don't think so I think they okay they want it gone
Starting point is 00:11:43 but they still feel sorry for somebody that's stealing the job, Ojo, and you want them out. Listen, they got to feel sorry for him because you got to understand what he has to deal with. He's powerless. His hands are tied behind his back.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Yes, he is the coach of the Dallas Cowboys, but he can only do so much and really has no say so. He's somewhat powerless for lack of better terms to say. I feel bad for him. I feel bad for him. Why does everybody continue to come out and say things? Jerry says stuff. Now, Mike McCarthy's saying stuff. Of course, you're going to take the same approach that you've always taken. Maybe you need to do something different as a coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Maybe the results would be different
Starting point is 00:12:25 come this season. But I mean, listen, I mean, I don't even know what else to say because at every turn, guess who's making the headlines? The Cowboys. Continuously. Now, I understand. I understand. I'm very smart and understand the Dallas Cowboys move the needle when it comes to media. They just do the Cowboys, the Lakers, the Yankees. They move the needle. But again, at some point, would you move in the needle? The results of the production has to match up with the attention you get through the media. And it just doesn't. Let me tell you something I've never heard. Let me tell you something I've never heard. I've never heard of a person owning an exotic snake, a cobra, a gab, a tiger, or a bear, and they get mauled,
Starting point is 00:13:26 and people say, damn, I feel so bad for them. It serves you right. If you go coach for the Dallas Cowboys, nobody's going to feel sorry for you because you know what you was getting into when you brought your funky ass in the house. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Listen, but obviously you have to understand head coaching jobs, especially a head coaching job like that one of that magnitude with that type of exposure for a historic franchise that's something you don't pass up as a head coach but again understanding what you have to do that do with understanding what you have to do as a coach there and the pressure that's added on because the star that's on the helmet and then the higher up that you have to deal with too who's going to take all the attention that's on the helmet and then the higher up that you have to deal with two who's going to take all the attention and want all the credit that's a that's a tough task so in in in the in that term i do feel bad for mr mccarthy guess what you could have got a lesson
Starting point is 00:14:15 you could have got a non-evident snake or you could not have got a snake at all you could not you didn't have to get the big cash you didn't have to get a lion a tiger or bear you could guess what you could have got you could have got a chihuahua. Or you could have got a sheep or a miniature pony. But you chose that. So you can't have somebody feel sorry for you, Ocho, with something you chose.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Man, Ocho went off-roading. Flipped his Jeep. Well, why the hell did he go off-roading anyway? I don't feel, Ocho, I don't feel sorry for a person that put themselves in that situation you can't put yourself in a situation and then ask people to feel sorry for the situation you put yourself in put yourself in yeah you're right you're right okay like you tell me all the time you know who jerry is you know what jerry gonna do and then you want me to feel sorry for a man to
Starting point is 00:15:06 go take the job no you already know he's gonna emasculate you jerry's voice is gonna be it's gonna drown your voice out you gotta accept that i don't know he's looking for pity man he's looking for pity ain't nobody feeling sorry for you like man y'all feel sorry for me man I ain't got no contract extension you know y'all know how Jerry is Ocho it's like if you go to one of these countries and some and one of these these kings they got five wives if you're the sixth wife how's somebody gonna feel sorry for you you okay yes he got three trillion dollars but guess what you chose to put yourself in that environment so whatever comes along with it you've got to accept it so whatever comes along with being the coach of the dallas cowboys as long as jerry jones is the owner you
Starting point is 00:15:58 got to be willing to accept it right i can see if it happened up on you know sometimes you know things happen you know i'm cooking grease pops on me i feel bad for you i don't feel bad for somebody get having grease popped on them i don't know if you've been fried you know i've been frying chicken you know the grease get hot you know grease got to be hot to fry chicken a bitch yeah yeah yeah you do yeah but let me let me ask you a question be like real honestly regardless the chat's not here like between me and you like you honestly don't feel bad for mike mccarthy as the coach of the cowboys understanding what he has to endure as a head coach no seriously i don't because think about it ochocho. The man had guys. I mean, Brett Favre had one MVP,
Starting point is 00:16:49 so he coached guys. That guy had five MVPs between them. He got one Super Bowl appearance. Five! One Super Bowl appearance. I'm trying to figure out how to feel sorry for what? Look at it. And you can't say, well, all he had was Brent Favre.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Look at the receivers that he's had. Oh, no, he had some receivers. Look at the defense. He had Charles Wilson. He had a lot of guys on the defense side. He had Clay Matthews Jr. He had a lot of guys. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Every year we start the season. The Cowboys are the most talented team in the NFL. From top to bottom, only the Kansas City Chiefs have drafted more Pro Bowl players than the Dallas Cowboys. Every single year. They win two games. This is a different team. We've never seen a team, a Cowboys team, this complete. They can run the football.
Starting point is 00:17:44 They can throw the football. They can throw the football. They can rush the passer. They can stop the running game. Every single year. And every single year, I get to sit back here. Told you. Damn, man. That sucks. We them boys. Every year, they take me to the boys.
Starting point is 00:18:02 We them boys. That sucks. I mean, they them boys, but for me, from the outside looking in, as a fan of the game of football, I want to see them achieve greatness. Not in the regular season. I want to see them achieve greatness in the postseason. I want Dak to succeed. Why do I want Dak to succeed? Because I understand as a black quarterback he's held as a different standard sometimes playing for that team with the star on his helmet
Starting point is 00:18:32 everything is different everything everything is magnified everything is under a microscope i want him to succeed i remember i know a guy i think his name is uh like ocho cinco that yeah that's me that's you this says yeah you don't care what the field is like you don't care what's going on you that boy i got a mofo job to do so i don't care what goes on i don't care what the coach say i gotta do my job now that's what you do okay now i would now i told you that in context of how i approach the game and if you if you watch me throughout the years you understood that's what you do. Okay now I would know I told you that in context of how I approach the game And if you if you watch me throughout the years you understood that's exactly what other people should do you say? Oh, you say right right, right? That's what they're right You got height. I mean you got animate. I was scared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Starting point is 00:19:19 I get that I get very passionate about that that by that time. I was so afraid very personal free I called 9-1-1. I was so afraid. I was so afraid. I called 911. I said, look, I like the boy. You know, I'm just saying, Ochoa, I got sprayed. I was scared. I was like, Ochoa, go snap. Because I felt, Ochoa, I felt in danger. Because you snapped.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Right, right. You said, I don't give a fuck. My bad, my bad. I got on this air. You do your job. I said, wow, Ochoa, that's me. That's me. I'm sharing your biggest thing. Right, right.cho, that's me. That's me. I'm saying
Starting point is 00:19:45 your biggest thing. Right, right. You're snapping on me. Right, right. Not one snapping on you. I was talking to you, not snapping on you. I said, oh,
Starting point is 00:19:54 and now you feel sorry for Dak because his owner. No. That's what you just said. You said you feel sorry. Oh, yeah. Now I know you feel sorry
Starting point is 00:20:02 for Dak. Don't say, tell me you don't feel sorry for Dak. What's his job? How you feel sorry for that guy. Don't say anything to him. You don't feel sorry for that guy. You just tell him he got a job. What's his job? How do you feel sorry for a guy making $45 million? Forget the money. Money aside. Forget the money. Forget the money. Matter of fact, he makes $45 million. He need every goddamn cent of that motherfucker having to deal with the bullshit he got to deal with over there in Dallas.
Starting point is 00:20:20 And I'm not talking about the fan. The fans are awesome. The players are awesome. It's about what he has to deal with from from the top the person who cut the goddamn check you deserve every every penny that 45 if that's all he got to deal with our owner that's all he got to deal with our owner hey hey boy that is more than just that it's more than just that you have to understand because of that owner you put a bullseye on your back. You put a target on your back. It makes it worse for everybody else. It makes it worse for the entirety of the team.
Starting point is 00:20:56 That is bulleted ball material week in and week out. When you go play the Cowboys, what's the first thing you think the opposing team do? Goddamn head coach, we put on a clip of what Jerry had to say the week before the game. Hey, I don't care. Guess what? I'm the bullseye. Your mother wear arm and I got you. I almost started.
Starting point is 00:21:18 I'm going to jump. I wanted to get started from the jump. Yeah, that's what I'm doing, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I feel you yeah i feel you i feel you i just i i don't know man it's it's weird it's funny it's funny i'm talking crazy but i was i was our jerry jones in cincinnati you get what i'm saying in a sense week Week in and week out. Every Wednesday, oh, I'm talking trash to the other team. Right. I'm purposely putting the bullseye on my back.
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Starting point is 00:24:52 Ocho, we got a guy. We got a special guest tonight joining us. First round draft pick. Guy had an outstanding season this year. For san francisco 49ers you go through the season you're healthy you have the type of season that you thought you should have and now you guys get to the playoffs and you're playing well and you get to the super bowl talk us through that super bowl because you guys came out on fire you had a, a 10-point lead for very much of the ball game, and then you let it get away.
Starting point is 00:25:27 They tied up in regulation, take it to overtime, and you guys unfortunately lose that ball game. So tell me what's your mindset and what's the team mindset in that game going into the game? Going into the game, just going into the game, playing our best ball, trying to play playing ball, playing football, because when we do that, we win ball games. So just trying to play clean, trying to play our brand of football.
Starting point is 00:25:52 But, yeah, that was it. The game, it went a different direction than we thought. We were trying to grasp hold of it multiple times in the game, but we just couldn't fully grasp it. And we never did. You guys had a 10-point lead. I mean, you guys were in control. And I was talking about having been in games like this,
Starting point is 00:26:18 Brandon, I'm like, when you have control of the game, how much separation can you put between you and the other team when you have that control? Because you know they're going to get it. Eventually, you're not going to have the momentum throughout the entirety of the game. So how much separation? Did you say
Starting point is 00:26:34 that, damn, man, you look up and you're like, man, we outplayed them the whole game and they're only down by seven points. They're only down by three points. The whole game, I mean, the whole game, I think it was multiple times. Just starting off the game, I think, like you you said we was 10 0 7 3 7 whatever when we was up i don't i can't remember exactly but we was up and there was most uh multiple times where defense going out there getting stops going out there going starts getting going out there getting
Starting point is 00:26:55 stops but we coming off the field too so it was in it was in those moments where you like this game especially who we playing on the other side where it's just like you never at ease just because you're like we gotta stay on the field we, where it's just like you're never at ease just because you're like, we got to stay on the field. We got to put points up because we already know how – we've seen this story too many times. And, unfortunately, we've seen it when we've seen it another time. But like y'all said, man, we back to it. I just started to climb back up this week.
Starting point is 00:27:17 I just, you know, I was chilling. I enjoyed my birthday in March. I was in Mexico cooling with the fam, chilling. Happy birthday. Happy birthday Happy birthday Just getting right Just getting back ready To try to climb back up again
Starting point is 00:27:28 That's all it is And trying to get some And trying to get You know Trying to get something else Before that Before that Yeah
Starting point is 00:27:35 Yeah Hey Speaking of Speaking of something else Before that Listen You're one of the best in the league I'm talking about top five
Starting point is 00:27:43 Listen Your resume It speaks for itself. You're going into your fifth season. Last year, you had 75 catches, 1,300-some yards, seven TDs, and you was ranked second in the NFL
Starting point is 00:27:54 in YPC, right? So that speaks for itself. So there should be no discussion when it comes to taking care of you when it comes to your value. I'm sick about that second one, because look, the whole entire, that was YPC.
Starting point is 00:28:09 I was sick. I finished second. You know who was first? Who first? Pickens was first. Pickens had Pickens, though. I'm leading it the whole entire year. I'm leading the whole entire year, YPC. Last game, I think Pickens didn't have no catches in the last game of the season.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Last game of the season. What's his name? Purdy ain't play. They sent me out there. I lost it in the last week. I'm mad about that. I should be saying one, but it's all you. Yeah. Yeah, but listen. There are certain things that we can see from the outside looking
Starting point is 00:28:41 in. I can see. When it comes to, hate i hate most of the time you know players don't really like to talk about their contract negotiations or anything having to do with money but i will do it for you don't have to say anything but you are so fucking valuable to that offense you are what i call a true number one who can play on the outside you play on the inside. You can beat any goddamn coverage there is that's out there. You're one of the few players in the NFL that plays receiver where you don't need your offensive coordinator's help to get open.
Starting point is 00:29:22 When the coach tell you, I need to get open here on third and two or whatever it is, no matter what they got lined up in front of you, you're one of the few that can go out there and get open on the muscle. So I don't understand what the issue is over there with the GM and your owners, but I just understand you deserve to get paid. And I ain't just talking about no any money. I'm talking about 30, 32 a year. And I need 3%. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Hey, hey. Yeah, a lot. Always, always.
Starting point is 00:29:40 You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. I appreciate that. You're good. You're good. Don't do that. I appreciate that. So Brandon, obviously your representative has been talking to John Lynch who's the general manager
Starting point is 00:29:51 and there have been the swirlings about he's going to get traded, blah, blah, blah. But John Lynch came out earlier this week and said, I promise you nothing is going on there. And then you had the IG story with the emojis,
Starting point is 00:30:03 the money, the talking, the talking, the BS, and the walking. So, what's been relayed to you, as much as you can divulge, what's been relayed to you through your representative? They're trying to get work done.
Starting point is 00:30:20 They're trying to get work done. I mean, they're trying to get work done. I mean, they're trying to get work done. That's all I can say. Y'all know how it gets. I don't even want to get too far into that. But, you know, I'm just trying to get like what Elcho just said. I'm trying to get what I deserve. I felt like this season, this season playing football,
Starting point is 00:30:46 I figured out who I was as a person, as a player, what I bring to the table, what I bring to the locker room, what I bring to organization. And just the value I hold when I walk in that building because people are going to follow me because I've done it the right way since I've been in that building. From the first day I walked in there to when I was in there earlier this morning, I've done it the right way. And if they don't see it worth it, that's all it is.
Starting point is 00:31:15 That's all it is. It ain't nothing else besides that. Like I said, I can't get into it. We got professionals working on both sides. So hopefully we can come to a professional agreement and continue to play professional football. I played in the offense for a number of years, Brandon. And I know one thing as a wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:31:34 you get rewarded for blocking. You're one of the better blocking wide receivers. And you have to, in order to have the running back to have success. Because now when you're blocking downfield, you, Debo, Jennings, Kittle, those four and five yards turn into 20, 25, 30, 40 yards. How much pride do you guys as a unit take pride in blocking?
Starting point is 00:31:59 So much pride. So much pride. That's the one thing. Before the routes, before touchdowns, before any of the stuff that you see, it just started with that. And I think once we, as a room, as a unit, previously in the past, we came, especially Debo, George, guys like that, we came up and we just said, you know what, that's it. That's going to be, that's the standard is the standard.
Starting point is 00:32:22 That's what it's going to be. So we're going to start with that. And I feel like, and I feel like the moment I start blocking like that, it just kind of carried over into the way that I ran routes, the way that I released,
Starting point is 00:32:33 the way that I just played, just played the game. Just if you had that attacking mindset that you don't, that I'm just going to put hands on this guy. He's not going to make plays. He's X from this play. When now,
Starting point is 00:32:44 now you got to route on third down, third down, you're already in the game. You're already not going to make plays. He's X from this play. The Nate one. Now, now you got around on third, third down. You're already in the game. You're already flowing. You already, that's how I feel personally. I'm already, I'm already,
Starting point is 00:32:50 I'm already in the game. I already done made a play. I didn't, I didn't set C Mac free for a 35. He didn't crease one. Cause I didn't make a block. Now I don't, I'm already had a kid.
Starting point is 00:32:59 It feels like I already been caught, caught a ball. Now that first play that might come to me. Cause I might not only might get five or six. So I got to, I got to make, I got to make five or six. So playing with that mindset, I feel like it helped me a ball. Now that first play that might come to me because I might not, I only might get five or six. So I got to make, I got to make, I got to make five or six. So playing with that mindset,
Starting point is 00:33:08 I feel like it helped me a lot. So it just, that's what it came down to, to the blocking too as well. That's live. Like, hey, listen, and that's the funny thing about it is you,
Starting point is 00:33:20 listen, I already talked about you as a receiver. Obviously we know what you could do as a receiver, but you are, you like what I consider complete. Because when it came to blocking, I was horrible. You wasn't blocking? I was weak.
Starting point is 00:33:32 No. I just run people off. I'm too little. I couldn't even bench 135. So I just run people off. I ain't got time to be engaging in something that I'm going to lose. From what I heard, if I'm not mistaken, From what I heard, if I'm not mistaken, from what I heard, if I'm not mistaken, I heard you could squat almost 500 pounds.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Back when I used to squat like that, I don't squat like that no more. No? Well, you could squat 500 pounds? I probably could put it on there. I'll squat it, but we ain't working out like that. You got to save them legs now, man. Hey, 500 pounds squat leg, they don't get in and out of breaks. You got to say them legs now, man.
Starting point is 00:34:08 500-pound squat legs, they don't get in and out of practice. I got to start and stop. Exactly. Yeah, there you go. Let me ask you this. The play before you guys kicked the field goal in overtime, you guys had a play. And I don't know how many people have seen it, but I know you've gone back and watched that tape
Starting point is 00:34:23 because LeJarrius Sneed missed the jam. And you come wide open, but Chris Jones came free and pressured Purdy, and he ends up throwing the ball away. How many times have you replayed that play in your mind? None. Like, none. Because it's like, well, first of all, that play wasn't going to me. We running slam return to JJ in the slot.
Starting point is 00:34:51 There's no way this comes back. I don't think it's going to come all the way back to me. I already know this play going here. It's a frontside play. I don't even too much think about that play. It's the plays way long before that. It's the plays way long before that it's the plays way long before
Starting point is 00:35:05 that that that get to me because we had multiple chances long before that one to even tell so i don't i don't put too much on that play but yeah i don't put too much yeah have you thought have you thought about the super bowl and the missed opportunities that you guys had i'm i ain't gonna lie until before i went to Cabo for my birthday, I was in the house just running like a zombie. It just wasn't good. So I got to go out there and relax and get away from it. Now I'm finally just now able to move forward a little bit.
Starting point is 00:35:38 But even just still, just still, because it's just like... Champion, oh my God. I come in my house and I got... I'm a big brian fan but i got kobe i got kobe i got a picture of kobe holding and i got a picture of myself shaking tom brady hand in my in my crib and i just get back i'm just sitting there a couple weeks after the game looking at that picture the day when i got back looking at that picture like i didn't really understand the magnitude of what i just had in front of me until now i'm here on
Starting point is 00:36:03 this on this other side um and I don't get to hold it. But at the same time, I'm grateful for it. It gave me another, it gave me something else to see and work towards too because I'm already, it's a fact I'm a top receiver in this league. It's a fact anything
Starting point is 00:36:20 receiver wise, it's a fact. We don't have to even get into it, but I'm not a champion. It gave me something to strive and work towards to it and want to get back on this climb again brandon speaking of i want to ask you i'm going to ask you about your quarterback brock purdy man he passed over 4 000 he had 31 touchdowns obviously he was third in the nfl with those stats but for some reason, he still has some doubters. What do you think is the case for that, and what is it like playing with Brock? I mean, he played on the Niners.
Starting point is 00:36:55 They don't want it. They don't want it. They don't want it. They don't want it. They're going to take forever. They're going to take until the last moment possible to say, all right, we're going to give him his credit. But we're cool with give him his credit. We're cool with that.
Starting point is 00:37:09 I feel like he's an underdog. Myself, I feel like I'm an underdog. But you can't hold an underdog down for too long. You can't hold him down. No matter how hard you try, you ain't going to hold him down. I enjoyed playing with him. I had a lot of fun playing with him. We had only just got started, so we'll see
Starting point is 00:37:27 what happens going down the road. Hopefully, I'll continue to praise him, which no matter how it goes, he's nice. He's nice for real. He's nice. He's nice. You were in that draft.
Starting point is 00:37:46 I mean, you look at your draft. You had Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy yourself. CD, Justin Jefferson, Jalen Rager, Pittman, and T. Higgins was in the second round. Mooney. I mean, that draft was loaded. But where would you rank yourself? Where would you consider yourself? Not just in your draft class, but with all the receivers, the Tyreeks, the Devontae Adams, all those guys. Where's Brandon Ayuk in that conversation?
Starting point is 00:38:15 I don't even want to get too much into ranking and this and that. But I'll say this. The one thing that we could go up based off of that's not going to tell us no lies. It don't have no peers. that's not going to tell us no lies. That's not going, it don't have no peers. It don't have, it's not,
Starting point is 00:38:29 it's not leading any direction. Is the tape cut the tape on for 22 weeks of football. Nobody else can say they played 22, some weeks of football. They can't, they can't, whoever, anybody, what you just named,
Starting point is 00:38:40 they can't say they've been a three NSD champions championship game. They can't say they've been a – you know what I'm saying? I'm like, so everybody doing all this, but we trying to – it's something else. We already passed yards. We already passed yards and touchdowns. Of course we're going to get yards and touchdowns. Can't nobody stick us. It's the reason why you're bringing us up.
Starting point is 00:38:59 But what else are we going to bring? Where else are we going to take it to? It's the reason why it's – we talk about Patrick Mahomes every single day because nobody can't do that. Nobody's doing that. What are we chasing? Here where we was at just that, we feel like I just seen somebody comment, say Purdy Post have two championships.
Starting point is 00:39:20 I mean, of course they can say Post half. But I read that and I saw that and I said, we could be sitting here right now with two championships. So that's the only thing. I'm worried about championships right now. Championships, championships, championships. I ain't trying to get into who's number one and two and three and four and five. Number one, have you been to the playoffs? Have you been to a Super Bowl?
Starting point is 00:39:43 Have you been? No. So I'm not even going. Championships. There's a photo of Mike Tomlin. You are split. I think you retweeted it. Mike Tomlin, you're like, hey, you tweeted a picture of you and Mike.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Hey, they say we're twins. What do you think? How surprised are you that that photo has garnered the attention that it has? Y'all do kind of look like twins, Brandon. That's not. You're crazy. That's crazy. But you like my dog, my dog Bo.
Starting point is 00:40:14 My dog Bo from South Carolina. You look like him. But no, no. I mean, that piece. I mean, it was funny. I had seen it like right after the Super Bowl. You know, they try to kick you while you're already down. So I'm like, all right. It's cool. Y'all get it. Y'all can get at me. Y'all get at me. It's all good. I'll, it was funny. I had seen it, like, right after the Super Bowl. You know, they trying to kick you while you're already down. So, I'm like, all right. It's cool.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Y'all get it. Y'all can get at me. Y'all get at me. It's all good. I'll take it. Because, you know, and I've been talking shit. They got it. So, then they got me again.
Starting point is 00:40:35 But it was cool. I just said, I just brought it back full circle because I felt like I was waking up like this. Like, every day while you're negotiating or whatever you want, contract talks like every day, every day while you under, uh, negotiate negotiating where everyone called contract talks every day is like a different day. So it's just like that. So I had woke up. So I was like, you know what? Like I keep bringing, I keep bringing my birthday. I said, you know, I'm not going to say none. I'm just going to leave my agent alone. I ain't going to do none. I'm just going to wait till after my birthday. And then I'm going to try to put a little bit more pressure on them. So I get there.
Starting point is 00:41:08 I wake up. I wake up right after I wake up and they're talking about another team. Again, they're talking about another team that they got me supposed to be in the trade talks or whatever, whatever, whatever. So I said, hey, let me just go ahead and let me just, if we want to make,
Starting point is 00:41:19 if everybody's saying this and this and that, let me go ahead and I'll just go. Let me just put out one of my little spots that I, you know, and I'll revert it back to just put out one of my little spots that I, you know, and I'll revert back to Tomlin. We can have a little bit of fun with it. It's all, it's all, it's all in fun. It's all in fun.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Like I said, we're professionals, but it is what it is, man. But that's, that's, that's, that's where the Tomlin's Day came from. I didn't know you from South Carolina. What part of Carolina are you from? I'm talking about my dog. I said, you look like my dog, Bo, from South Carolina. My dog, my dog. Oh, yeah. from South Carolina. My dog, my dog. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Yeah, yeah. My dog, my dog, Deebo. Oh, Deebo. Oh, okay. My bad. I was like, damn, I thought you was from like Cali or something. No, I'm from Reno, Nevada. Reno, Nevada?
Starting point is 00:41:57 Yes, sir. Oh, the biggest little city in the... You been over there? I have not been over there, but I heard about it. No, I haven't been to Reno. Okay. Hey, I haven't been to Reno. Okay. Hey, bro.
Starting point is 00:42:09 So anything else you want to share? Because listening from the outside, it sounds like you're kind of disappointed that the contract negotiations haven't gone as smoothly as you anticipated, considering you've been a model citizen inside the building. You've been a model citizen out on the field. You've been a model citizen outside the facility, you've been a model citizen out on the field, you've been a model citizen outside the facility. Well, let me ask y'all. Do y'all know the timing and everything that goes on when negotiation talks? I know one thing for the skill position. If you're not a quarterback, we got to fight tooth and nail.
Starting point is 00:42:41 So this is what we all have to go through. We all have to go through this. And it would always be like this no matter what. But you are handling it the right way. Yeah. Because the market is the market. Your resume is your resume. Your value is your value.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Ray Charles can see what you can do. Other teams can also see what you can do. So they can play a game that they want to. If they don't want to give you what you deserve, and I know what you deserve, other teams will give you what you deserve and they're going to overpay for it if they let you walk out that door. So either way it go, either way you cut it,
Starting point is 00:43:12 it's a win-win for you no matter what based on your resume. I'm sorry. So for you, for you, you should be smiling every goddamn day no matter what because you're going to be good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:22 I get your frustration, Brandon, because had you not performed like you have, no matter what, because you're going to be good. I get your frustration, Brandon, because had you not performed like you have, they would have done traded you or released you. So now I overperformed. Now compensate me for the work that I've done. I've had a couple of these, Brandon,
Starting point is 00:43:38 early in my career. I held out, ended up having to hold out for two weeks. My third contract, no, my fourth contract, I signed it the day of training camp. The day of training camp. And then they didn't re-sign me. I go to Baltimore, win a championship, go to the Pro Bowl.
Starting point is 00:44:02 They released me. I go back to Denver. So I'll tell you like this the best thing you can do is to keep your emotions in check don't get too high don't get too low because i know you're staying in constant contact with your representative he's doing as good a job as he possibly can to keep you in the right frame of mind contracts talks are going well. They have a, you have, he probably haven't told you,
Starting point is 00:44:27 but I think there's a number that the 49ers have in mind. You kind of want to go over that number and I believe you've earned the right to go over that number based on what you've done, based on how you play. Based on what you're going to do. What you're going to do.
Starting point is 00:44:42 And that's the frustrating part. Look, I've been a player and I understand the business aspect from a team. But I believe you should reward your players for what they've done and what you believe they can do. Now, if they don't thank you, it's like, well, you know what? This was an isolated incident. They know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Come on now. Exactly. They know what's going on. I know what's going on. Come on out. Exactly. They know what's going on. I know what's going on. It's like I said, it's, it's, it's not easy.
Starting point is 00:45:10 It's not, it's business. It's business. And it's, it's multiple people involved in, in business. And we all try to get to one thing, but like I said,
Starting point is 00:45:19 they going to do it with me or without me. You're going to have a better chance with me. We just leave it at that. We just leave it at that we just leave it at that i like it control what you can control which is your frame of mind and the work that you put in to be ready to go wherever that may be i know i'm gonna be ready i know i'm gonna be ready i know i'm gonna be ready that's come on now i'm gonna be ready come on now brandon i really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What about our one-on-ones?
Starting point is 00:45:50 We can one-on-one hoop. We can one-on-one hoop. We can one-on-one hoop. No, I play DB, though. You don't play DB. What you talking about? Wait, Brandon. I was drafted as a DB and they switched me to receiver
Starting point is 00:46:04 because the DB room was full. I was a DB too. And then I moved to receiver because I need the pill in my hands. No. Okay, so you want to play basketball one-on-one? Yeah, I'd rather hoop. I'd rather hoop than
Starting point is 00:46:18 do like that, man. But you're going to lose that. I just got some new hoop shoes. I just grabbed some AE1. I'll just grab some new hoop shoes. I'll just grab some Adidas. I'll just grab some AU1. I'm trying to jump out the gym too. So I'm about to go hoop. All right, Bet. That's going to be my first
Starting point is 00:46:34 content for TikTok. Me beating you in basketball. Yes, sir. Brandon, when he said he was drafted, that means he was running behind someone. He was drafting off them to try to get it. He didn't want to exert that much energy. He was not drafted in no DB. But I want to take time out right now.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Thank you for joining us on Nightcap. We really appreciate you giving us some of your time, offering insight to your game, what transpired during the season, the Super Bowl, and best of luck on this contract, bro. Well-deserved, well-deserved. Whatever you get, you deserve it. You've earned it.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Yes, sir. Appreciate that. Appreciate you having me on here. I've been... Anytime, bro. bro well deserved well deserved whatever you get you deserve it you've earned it yes sir appreciate that appreciate you having me on here i've been i've been welcome to come back anytime i watch it in my cave all the time so i was honored to pull up and talk to y'all chad it's my first time talking to chad chad oto yes sir yes sir yo All right, baby. I love you, man. Kelsey Mack. Kelsey Mack. His favorite uncle said, what's up? What's up? Will do. Will do. All right.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Appreciate that, Brandon. Thank you, man. Y'all be easy. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps, and analysis delivered straight to your podcast feed by the time you get your coffee. No dumb hot takes here, just smart hot takes. We'll talk every single game every single week, but I can't do it alone, so I'm bringing in the big guns from NFL media.
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Starting point is 00:49:39 On every season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season's all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Ocho, I tell you, man, it's hard because, like I said, when you've been to that game, Ocho, because remember now, they chronicle that game.
Starting point is 00:50:28 That's for perpetuity. Everybody's going to look back. And unfortunately, there's a winner and there's a loser. And you always want to be in the winning side because when that confetti comes down and it's not in your colors. See, people say, and I quoted this, losing, I believe losing is worse than dying because when you lose a game you got to wake up tomorrow right when you die there is no tomorrow and you you could you heard him talk you could feel the pain you could feel the the hurt of losing that
Starting point is 00:50:59 game the man said hey i was a zombie and it wasn't until i went to cabo for my birthday last week the reset the reset the super bowl was six seven weeks ago and it's still in his mind right the opportunity that's crazy wasted opportunity how you're thinking how many more opportunities am I going to get? When you hear somebody say, yeah, you don't know if and when, because the one thing I,
Starting point is 00:51:30 when I, I remember when I was at Baltimore and we played the Super Bowl, Ocho, and Brian asked me to like, you know, say something for the team, because I was one of the few guys that had won a championship, kind of knew what it took.
Starting point is 00:51:39 And I asked him to cut the lights on. I said, look around, look to your left, look to your right. I say, because this room will never be this way again. Everybody that's in this room right now won't be here next year. All these coaches won't be here next year. And you may never, ever get this opportunity.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Don't. Man, I wish I had. Man, I wish I would have. man I wish I had man I wish I would have leave no doubt leave no doubt this is the moment that you dreamed about that you watched on television you watched the Jerry Rices
Starting point is 00:52:16 you watched the Emmitt Smith you watched those guys the adulation and the joy of winning this game. You'll be the first in Ravens history. You'll never ever be forgotten because you
Starting point is 00:52:34 were the first. They might win two, three, they might win ten. But there's something about that first. Damn, I'm mad, man. Boy, you got me hyped. Boy, I wish I could Damn, I'm mad, man. Well, you got me hyped. Boy, I wish I could get out there and play, man. Man, hey.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Yeah. But I love his mindset. I love the way he thinks. Now, see, that's the guy I want to play. You see? But you see what I tell you, Ojo? That 49er style offense, I play for Kyle Shanahan's dad. Kyle Shanahan is just like his dad.
Starting point is 00:53:06 You block, they reward you yeah they reward but you can't you can't have a run game without receivers knocking dbs and knocking people off from down the field so those five and ten yard runs they turn into 30 and 40 and 50 yard touchdown so i love i appreciate that Brandon. Thanks for some of the time for you coming on. I love that. That was dope. Ocho. That was dope. There are people have a lot still we still in um people have a lot of comments about Caleb Williams after revealed painting nails on a pink phone. Caleb!
Starting point is 00:53:36 Caleb Williams was in the building to show Juju Watkins, Lady Trojans his support. People immediately commented on his nails and his cell phone which is pink. Well, Caleb had a message for them today. Let's take a listen to what Caleb had to say. Nails are clear. Lips
Starting point is 00:53:51 are pink. Your girl love them. But they on demand by the pink phone case. He had his nails painted. You know what? The pink, I mean, They on the man, they on the man by the pink phone case. Pink phone case, he had his nails painted. Women. You know what, the pink, listen, the pink, I mean, whatever, with the pink, the whole nail painted. Hell, I got them.
Starting point is 00:54:15 I would paint my nails black back in 2002 with my little gothic look. Anytime we had a game, right, it's so funny. I was in my little gothic era. You know, I would love emo, right? It's so funny. I was in my little gothic era. You know, I was a little emo, right? Goth. It was goth. Hey, I had the black chin strap, right? Black chin strap, black cleats, black gloves.
Starting point is 00:54:33 And I would paint my nails black. And I would go out there on some other SHIAT. I heard I can't curse because I don't feel like I can. Where you put the A in it for? Why you put the A in it? I said S S H
Starting point is 00:54:47 I T no you said S H A I T oh yeah she at you gotta say it right yeah you gotta
Starting point is 00:54:54 you gotta carry it she at the A is silent like all them damn words you been giving me wouldn't be spelling okay go ahead
Starting point is 00:55:00 go ahead yeah but I mean I mean listen man that's the era this time that we in right now man you know i don't mean nothing man you know you got nba players doing that you got caleb williams doing that i mean you got my my weird my weird crazy
Starting point is 00:55:16 a double s double s doing that way back 20 years ago that's your ask you a question on that? Yes, sir. When did men start caring about how men dress, what they wore, the pink nails, the pink phone? When did men become so obsessed with other men? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:55:34 I don't know. I don't know because I don't really talk about nobody, especially when it comes to attire or someone's appearance. So did you pay for that outfit? Nah. They don't even know Caleb Williams. And you know what they're getting at. so did you pay for that outfit nah they don't even know Caleb Williams
Starting point is 00:55:46 and you know what they're getting at you know what they're trying to insinuate Ocho right right right in our community because here's the thing Ocho let's have a little history lesson we know since the beginning of the time black men have been deemed extremely
Starting point is 00:56:02 masculine of any more any race of people. Extremely machismo, macho. The biggest, they would have the biggest sometime would sleep with because they wanted big offspring. And so what they've tried to do in order to emasculate you, insinuate or even flat out call you. They know referring to a straight man is a derogatory term i don't care how accepting it is being gay queer lbgtq trans it does not matter a straight man will never ever accept being called gay queer queer, zesty, fruity, whatever, as a compliment.
Starting point is 00:56:49 So this notion, that means you've made it, that means you've ascended to the highest. A straight man is not going to accept that. He's not. But then what you have to understand also on what you have to understand is you can do certain things in today's society and today's era that aren't masculine, but aren't seen as masculine and anything outside of the norm on what we're used to seeing from straight masculine men. Then you're considered just that the opposite of what a straight man would actually do. Yeah. And sometimes everybody is free to do as they please now. No got times a little different see that's what social media comes in yeah because yeah times are a little different people a little bit more eccentric a lot people are a little bit more more open to expression not artistic expression you know whatever you might want to call it i
Starting point is 00:57:42 don't know how to word it the right way and i mean it is what it is hell i did it 20 goddamn years ago and well no nobody said none because i was just i was a weirdo anyway and i did all type of crazy i had blonde blonde mohawk mouth full of goals man my nails planted black i i mean i didn't i didn't i didn't care shit i wouldn't but it's just for certain other people that it might affect or it might bother i mean they say it because they're not used to seeing the individual do those. But when you go back and listen to these great fashion, you look at you listen to the Carl Lagerfeld or the Leon Talley. And you listen to people that the Tom Ford and the people that's been in fashion. They say fashion is an expression of oneself.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Not conforming to the norm where all men and y'all should dress like this if you're straight. All men, if you're gay, should dress like this. All women, if you're this, you do this. I thought it was self-expression. Now it's gotten to the point that they want
Starting point is 00:58:40 you to conform to the masses of what they deem is acceptable. How do you get to determine what's acceptable for someone else your norm is not someone else's norm so why do you it seems like to me all these men to be saying all this stuff it seems like y'all cast it it seems like y'all have something you know what one of what one of the best feelings is in being free is when you're free from having to be normal. When you're free
Starting point is 00:59:09 and being able to express yourself however you feel. When you don't worry or care about how others think, but there are so many that are stuck in that box that want to walk that straight line and not veering outside of that box
Starting point is 00:59:23 or outside of that lane where they just look like everybody else. Everybody wearing the same outfit. Gattaca. Everybody wearing the same clothes. Gattaca. Everybody got the same chain. Everybody got the same goddamn car.
Starting point is 00:59:33 It's just, I think you won't, you will never understand or free yourself from the shackles of the rest of the crowd until you figure out a lane for yourself, find your own niche, and do what makes you happy or what you like to do. But everybody want to, okay, whatever's in,
Starting point is 00:59:51 okay, I'm going to do what everybody else is doing. All it takes is one person to say something on Twitter or social media and guess what? The next thing, somebody, yep. I was thinking the same thing. Yep, you right. You right. And then boom, boom, boom, boom. And next thing you know, it's trending or it's buying
Starting point is 01:00:05 Yeah, they're going to piggyback But that's what you got to have You got to have that ultra mentality You got to have that ultra mindset I don't give two Two S-H-I-A-T Yeah, you know I don't care what you're saying
Starting point is 01:00:21 At all, I love it I've always loved it. You got to think. I mean, you were part of me. You were with the media when I was playing. Yeah. Weren't you? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Boy, you remember how they used to kill me? I talked about people playing. If you play good, I talk good. You play bad, I talk bad. Wait, you know what? If you talk about my play, you was always talking good about me then. That's all I'm talking about. No, obviously, if you. Yeah, but you know what I If you had you talk about my play, you was always talking about it. That's all I'm talking about. Now, obviously, if you. Yeah, but you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:00:47 They found anything. Oh, they were nitpicking. They were fighting a little thing. And I loved it. I enjoyed being the villain. I embraced it. I was very passionate about it. I didn't want you to like me.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Even if it was personal. Skip. Oh, skip. Oh, boy. Hey. Oh, what? I loved it. I loved it. I just I embrace it. I enjoyed it. And it just I don't at all being it just shouldn't it shouldn't how does someone's words really bother you like think about it how can what somebody's saying on twitter that you don't know a stranger that ain't feeding you
Starting point is 01:01:37 the three f's i'm not even gonna say the three f's because i'm trying not to curse tonight how does that bother you? So it never understood me when people, oh my God, they're bullying me. Bitch, what? Oh, shit. I mean, bully what?
Starting point is 01:01:53 How? It's the internet. Log the fuck off. Like, I don't know, man. Yeah, it took me Ocho being out and being out and when I'm in these environments, this type setting where I'm doing stuff for La Portia or I'm going to speaking engagements and I see the love and I see women and I see men so excited that they're trembling to have a conversation. It's like, I just want to I just want to hear people say, bro, let me tell you what I love about you.
Starting point is 01:02:23 He said, I love the candidness in which you speak. He said, I love the way you rock with your community. And I love how you talk about your family. And to hear people in all different races come up to me and say, I love everything that is about you. I love the man that you are. I love the way you carry yourself. I love the man that you are I love the way you carry yourself I love how you talk about your kids and your family I love how you know You talk about team Man Ocho man I say You know what
Starting point is 01:02:52 And by the way you know what my sister told My sister used to tell me I think about seven years ago Talk about Shannon Get some bigger clothes Now you know Everybody know how I love my sister. I talk about my sister
Starting point is 01:03:08 damn near the same breath I talk about my grandma. Right, right. No. No. No can do. Hey, listen. Listen, people need to understand,
Starting point is 01:03:24 Unc, you have a, you like a european style a european style whether it's casual or whether it's business and you stick to that and you've always stuck to that and you and you've never eaten if it i want to change i will change because i want to change but it ain't gonna be no time right y'all ain't buying no clothes y'all don't tell me what to wear how to dress because i ain't listening yeah hey and you know what and today and and actually we know what fashion you know fashion changes every year you know now we now we back to the baggy look that we wore back in 05 back in 05 you know what i saw hold on who i saw
Starting point is 01:04:02 i saw lebron one time i said but I've seen it a lot lately, but they get the pants, they're a little fitted, and then they got the wide, they got the flare legs at the bottom. Yeah, like the 70s, yeah. That was when I was a kid. You know who be killing it?
Starting point is 01:04:16 You know who be killing it? I mean, they be dressing, like, you know, I'm not into fashion. I'm a cheap, I'm a cheap mofo. Goddamn young bull from OKC. okc oh shea gilder yeah oh man listen boy young bull be killing them boys be on it young bull be killing and what's the other one from the jazz i think he wear double zero or he wear zero from the jazz uh oh oh jordan clarkson hey um but i'm two there. See, Ocho,
Starting point is 01:04:45 when you... But when it come to fashion, you know, I ain't really, I ain't no fashion hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, once every six months
Starting point is 01:04:52 I'll put some clothes on. But them two there. They be on it. Oh, they be on it. Man, you know, Ocho, but when you thin like that, you can wear a lot of stuff, man, because them jokes thin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I can't buy nothing off the but when you thin like that, you can wear a lot of stuff, man, because them jokes are thin.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I can't buy nothing off the rack. I ain't going to get nothing but the clothes hanging out of the department store. That's the only thing I can get off the department store. Right, right. So I've got to relegate it to ablution or custom. Right, right.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Damn, Uncle, all your shit got to be custom. Yeah, like my stuff that I wear on first take, every jacket, every shirt is custom.
Starting point is 01:05:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. My slacks, custom. Now jeans, I can get like a size 38 jean and have the waist taken in.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Right. But I got to go three, you know, three, four sizes up as far as in my waist and just so my legs will fit yeah but uh but i got i got i got one for you now i don't i don't know i don't know you shop i don't know if you do this but i'm telling you where i get my jeans from i get my jeans from target you know about goodfellas and company i never heard of them man listen i get
Starting point is 01:06:02 my jeans from target goodfellas company now there was a time where you could get skinny jeans you could get slim fit or you can get wide leg and so what i used to do when the time you know there was a time where everybody had skinny jeans and they had the knees cut out and it looked like they went to stress a little bit but hell i wasn't paying no 18 1300 yeah so this was i did you Come here, come here, come here. I went to Target and got me some of the Goodfella jeans and cut the knees out.
Starting point is 01:06:32 And cut the knees out and make it look like they were distraught. Made them look like they were the Mirys but they was really Goodfella and company. I paid $20 for. Yeah. Look at these two. Hey, what's up? Say what's up, Don.
Starting point is 01:06:47 What's up, Don? Say what's up, ump. Say ump. I don't know, Don. Who is Don? Say what's up, ump. What's up, ump? How you got girls doing?
Starting point is 01:06:57 Good. What y'all doing up this time of night? It's way past y'all bedtime. Oh, we on spring break. Oh, okay. We stay up all night. I'm doing school. And tomorrow,
Starting point is 01:07:10 tomorrow I have school, but I'm not going to school. So I'm... Wait, you can't... No, you can't snitch on yourself? You did snitch. You're not supposed to say you don't have school.
Starting point is 01:07:21 I just said you're on spring break and you ain't telling me you're not snitching. We on spring break, man. See't she don't know no better that this is cha-cha and kennedy well i have okay all right i gotta finish the show kisses kisses kisses all right i love you too oh yeah that's that that that's that's that's two. That's Baby Kennedy and her sister Cha-Cha. That's two of the 85 of my tribe. That's two of the 85 clan? Yeah, that's two of the 85.
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