Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Cade Cunningham AND Pistons DOMINATE Knicks + Joe PREDICTS Pistons Will MAKE NBA FINALS + Cade Cunningham Says He’s BEST AMERICAN Player + Joel Embiid WOULD TRADE MVP for HEALTHY POSTSEASON Run

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Detroit Pistons going into Maddison Square Garden and blowing out the New York Knicks behind Cade Cunningham’s sensational performance, Cade Cunningham tells QG that he is the best American in the NBA, and Joel Embiid says he would trade his MVP for 1 full healthy post season run and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI...8:49 - Pistons beat Knicks33:40 - Cade Cunningham told GQ hes the best American player in the NBA50:05 - Joel Embiid says he would trade his MVP for 1 full season run (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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See what I'm talking about, Ocho. You see what I'm talking about Ocho? You see how he is? You see how he behavior? He need to cut it out. The man, Joe, you need to cut it out, but that's okay. You know, I'll get your intro. Y'all know the man.

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You see? Hey, whoa. What's on top of your head? What's that on? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, listen. You know, heavy as a head that wears the crown, though. Okay?

Hey, hey, hey, hey, this here comes with great responsibility now. You know what I mean? I've been chosen. I've been chosen by the people. Yeah. Nightcap, people in the chat, people in the comments. I've been chosen to be the person to carry this thing, okay? Yeah.

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What's going on? Hey. Oh, Joe, you notice every time we post something, he's all in the comments. He all, he shoo like the comment. He had everybody come and got something to say. Listen, it's okay. Let him have his time. Let him have his shine.

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We, see, Joe, or Ocho, we never saw this side. There was no indication that he would behave in this manner. Yeah, it's cool. Listen, it's cool. Fellas, fellas, y'all's turn. is going to come, man. Listen, he's unusual. He's going to come.

He's unusual. He's being real unusual right now, Ocho. Hey, hey, I ain't never seen this side of him. Never. Hey, Ocho, Ocho, I told you, I take full responsibility from the people, man. This is what they want. They've anointed me. They've anointed me.

Oh, I, anointed? Yeah. Now, he over there looking like he and Joffey, Joe Farah, coming to America. Hey. There you go. Okay. I like it.

I like it. I like it. Make sure you able to back everything up. Your day coming? Hey. Make sure you have to back it up, man. You see what we did? It was kind of like the Daytona 500. You see those guys racing? They end up crashing each other and somebody slipped in one. Yeah. You see how they did that, Ocho? You and I, we go and trying to cut each. Listen, listen. Hey, let me tell you y'all something, man. I had already told y'all before we even done all that. See, y'all thought I was selling wolf tickets. I ain't had enough for sale. Ocho selling all of tickets.

I'm telling you, straight business, what's happening? You know what I mean? I'm like, look, man, I'm a pretty decent bowler. You know, I adapt well. What, what you know what? You had a man, he's annoyeded. You heard of a bad, Joe. Ocho, you heard of that man talking about he annoyed it.

The people chose him. I've been anointed by the people. They've chosen me, man. You know, this is all my fault, honestly. This is my fault because I felt bad for you, Joe. You had an injury. I took it easy on you. I felt bad for all.

Hold on. Obviously, respecting my elders. I mean, Oh, Joe. I'm over eight. I'm opening up again. I got one more thing to say. I got one more thing to say.

Think about this. If I was only 65, 70% then, can you imagine what I am if I'm 100%? Oh, Lord. How would that go to help you in the events that you lost, Joe? Your injury, it has nothing to do. It has nothing to do with the golf shot. It has nothing to do with cordhole.

You want a couple? First off, you know, it's kind of like, it's kind of like when, like, like baseball, when you go up the back, you never swing at the first one. You know what I mean? You let the first. So I let you an ultra just to kind of see how y'all will act towards me if y'all won the first one.

Then I've seen y'all. I'll say, okay, okay. Okay. I got something for them. I got something for them. All right. Your day coming, though. I just want you to know your day coming.

So just mark it on the calendar. It is not your birthday. I know the people watch nightcap outside and, you know, people've been in my DMs in the comments and they've anointed me, fellas. I know, I know it's tough for y'all. to kind of grasp that right now, but this is where we at. Okay.

Yeah, this is where we have. Okay. I'll let you have it. Your day coming. I just want you to know. Just know your day is coming. You can say no fuck. The game tonight, the Pistons beat the next 126 to 111.

Boy, K. Cunningham had himself a night at the Madison Square Guard. Two rebounds short of a triple dove. Forty-two points, 13 assists, eight rebounds. as the Piston sweep the season series, 3-0 against the Knicks. They won four straight wins, excuse me, for the Pistons. And they won by the average of 28 points. And they're the number, they have a commanding lead in the Eastern Conference right now.

Their number one seed in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 41 and 13. There's six games clear of the Celtics, who's currently playing right now, the Warriors, and the Knicks who they just beat. also the Cavaliers are seven, seven games back, the Knicks and the Cavaliers are seven games back

with the Raptors at nine games back. Joe, but watching this game tonight, watching Kay Cunningham. Who, boy, he did a number. He did a number, what, 17 to 34, like I said,

42 points, 13 assists, eight rebounds. He did it all tonight. He did it all tonight. What'd you like about what you called? And the Pistons. and Ocho, they didn't have a other all-star, which is Jalen during, he didn't play tonight. Yeah.

So he carried a heavy load, and you can tell from the start, from the start, he came out very aggressive, getting to his spots. And I just think I picked Detroit to beat the Knicks last playoffs. Obviously, it was a learning lesson. They swept them throughout this whole season. They won all four games. So they got the edge on the Knicks right now. and the Pistons, as soon as they get healthy, Uncle Ocho. They just going to cruise into the playoffs, bro.

They're going to be something to deal with in the Eastern Conference. I'm telling you, we're going to look up in a couple months. Them boys, they got a chance to make it to the finals, bro. They absolutely have a good. Hold on. Hold on, Joe. Hold on, hold on. Now, I know Cade Cunningham is very nice.

I know he's very good. But you think they can make it to the finals? Yes, Ocho. They got a great young. young team, man, they got a, they deep too. And they got guys who come off the bench who can win some games in the playoffs as well, you know, and they're a gritty team. You know, say what you want about Bigfeller Stewart who always, you know, I'm sorry

got suspended, but you need. Yeah, you know, hey, listen, when they get these guys back full strength, bro, they're going to feed off their energy right there. And, you know, you want to do like that, man, you want to intimidate or agitate a guy who going to go out there and, you know, be the, be the muscle for the squad. I just think they got everything you could want in a team. Like from shooting to, you know, obviously a go-to guy in Kay who gets, I mean, oh, come on tonight, man.

He looked, he looked great tonight. He did. He's nice. He looked phenomenal. Go ahead. And I got a question. I got a basketball question for both of you. As great as Kay Cunningham looked tonight, as great as he looked last year, where is he

right now in your list of top, top players in the league? Oh, right now. Because he is he up there with, is he up there with Shea and Aunt Man? Luca. Is he in that same stratosphere? Yeah, he up there. He up there.

He up there. Look, they're number one. They're number one seed in the east. They're going to finish with the number one. I agree. I agree. Okay. The deep, they got a nice bit.

He didn't it's just dude. Yeah. Hey, look, did y'all see over All Star Weekend, he dropped his new shoe? He just got a signature shoe. I saw a little bit of it. You know, I was trying to, you know, he would, uh, he would Nike.

I'm talking about, His signature shoe that he just dropped doing an all-stop break. I would probably say, Uncle Ocho, serious business from a sneaker head. That put him in like the top five of sneakers. Like, it's cold.

Oh, yeah. When you get a signature? And from one of the big dogs? Yeah. You're that boy, huh? Yeah. Hey, hey, and you're putting them numbers up too. You hear me?

Yeah. Yeah, Detroit got them one, boy. Hey, you know, they got guys when you look at them from a bench standpoint, they got Karras Levert, they got Jenkins. They got guys hurt her, didn't even play tonight.

He can make big shots. He can make three. They got guys that LeBerburt can knock down threes, but he can put the ball on the floor. I like Jenkins. He was super aggressive tonight. But, you know, it all, it's around Cade. It's around Cade and Jalen.

And when those two guys, and like you said, both of those guys, Stuart and Duren, is serving suspension. Yeah. So they'll be back. Thompson played well tonight. Tobias. Tobias was, he didn't shoot the ball well tonight.

But he rebounded the ball extremely well. and five assists. He was four, 16. Tobias is better than that. But if he can just give them some consistency, he give them, you know, somewhere 12, 12 points, uh, uh, Joe and Ocho, he give them those rebounds. He give them somewhere seven to 10 rebounds, you know, three to six assists.

That's plenty enough because Duren going to give you, he's going to get double, double. He's a walking double double. Kato, do what he does. He's going to be somewhere around 20 and 10, 24 and 10. And then the bench chip in with what they got. I don't, when you look at them, And I know, look, Jalen, Jalen Brunson is going to be Jalen Brunson.

He's going to get his point. Yeah. He's going to get his points. Uh, cat didn't play bad tonight. He was seven or 14, uh, but. Cat guy, ah, I don't know what it is okay. What did you mean he wasn't bad tonight? He wasn't seven or 14.

I need a little bit more. I need a little bit, I need some more shot. Sometimes I'm watching the night, Joe. He goes to the basket, super duper week. They'd be knocking the ball out of his hands. They'd be blocking the show. I said, come on, Cat. Cat of Finesbee.

He'll finesseby. He ain't coming in there with that power and authority. The guy just pulled the ball out of his hand, knock it off his knee, they block his shot. I was like, come on, Cat. And seven foot tall, at some point in time, he got to put somebody in the basket, and then they'll start doing all that foolishness.

Yeah, I mean, he is what he is at this point. If he hadn't done it before, as long as he's been in league, it ain't in him. Hey, you know what's surprising, though? It's like the Knicks got these wing defenders, but man, Detroit made it look so easy. 126 points, okay, Ocho. Yeah. Man, you ain't guard nobody.

It didn't matter. It didn't matter who. They put OG. They put, they put hard, they put bridges. They didn't have no answer for K to night. Now, he was super, he was super, super, super. He got up 34 shots. I can't remember last time, Joe, I think off the top of my head, I've seen somebody get up this many shots.

So he was super aggressive from the jump. I think he had like 19 shot of tips in the first half. I was like, well, damn. Yeah, hey, but, Uncle, I like that, though, because he knows he has to assert himself early in this game. It's a big game. You know what I mean? This is the second half of the season, Ocho.

Yeah. We're coming down, you know, jockeying for position or necessarily if you're in Detroit's case, you want to stay at number one. You know, you don't want to squander none of these games away. So I just thought he came out and was aggressive. You're missing one of your all-stars. You're missing, you're running, mate. You got your muscle.

He out. So you know you're going to have to do a lot more. A lot that's going to be asked of you. But listen, he said, man, put it on my back, partner. Yeah, I can handle that. You know what about? That boy came out there. That boy came out, did his thing.

But 42 and 13 assists. And if you think about it, they got guys like Duncan Robinson can knock down threes. Herta can knock down threes. They got guys that can knock down threes if you start to sluff or you try to double him. And he's a good enough passer because he made some passes tonight. You got to. It's hard for one guy. And if he did this to the Knicks and the way they,

They play defense with OG and Hart and McKell Bridges. If he did this to them and a whole lot of other teams have a group of defenders that can defend him any better than what the Knicks did tonight. Now you just hope he has an off night because he's playing with extreme confidence. And Joe, you know this. With, Ocho, we had the same feeling.

Once you go to a pro bowl, you go to an all-star game, you have a sense of belief that I belong. I'm one of the guys. You're looking around, I'm one of the 12, I'm one of the 24 best players in the NBA. I'm one of the 24 best players,

one of the 48 best players in the NFL. I belong now. Now your confidence goes through the roof. Oh, man. Oh, y'all got help. Now y'all can never let me come across the water. Oh, yeah. It's a, in real talk, it takes you to a whole other level

because the belief and confidence that you have in yourself. And then once you're amongst the top elite talent in the NBA for one weekend, then you kind of start to see how things. are starting to shape out, then you go back into the season with so much confidence, like, listen, it's my turn now. And I just feel like that's kind of where Kay was at and kind of the piggyback off what Unk said.

Once he gets going like that, now the mother guy is Duncan Robinson. Now they can get some shots. You know what I mean? Thompson gets some easy shots because he's so aggressive, Ocho. He got so much attention on him that, you know, he's making plays for everybody. You know what I mean? And I think that's why it's going to be hard to stop them. bro, because in the playoffs and everything slows down,

he can post up, he can play out the post, so then he can pick you apart almost on some, like, Yokish type. You know what I mean? But I think Detroit going to be something to reckon with. I'm telling you, man, y'all, man, y'all, we're going to look up. The boys going to be in the finals in June. I agree. I think they're definitely going to be something.

And when you look it around and Kate is looking around, he's like, hold on. I see Katie. I see Steph. I see Yokich. I see LeBron. Now, I see guys in year 23. I see guys in year 17.

I see you guys. I was like, hold on. In the next three, four years, I mean, they keep talking about who's going to be the face. Why can't I be? I'm here. If I'm here. Hello.

Even if they didn't send for me. I came anyway. There you go. So it don't matter. So it's just something. When you go to the Pro Bowl Ocho, we speak for football players, and I look across,

I'm like, damn. I see Jerry. I see Playmaker. Mm-hmm. Man, I see Joe. I see, oh, Barry time. Then I look at my own squad. I got Brucie.

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Y'all ain't tell me nothing. Y'all going to catch hell to keep me from coming back over here. Hey, hey. And not only that, Uncle Ocho, I didn't came out. They then gave me my signature shoes, so you know I got a show out of him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So now when I touch the court, you know, you see them red things on my feet. Yeah. I'm going to get to it. I'm going to show y'all why I got my signature shoe. That's basically what, that's what Kay's said today.

And I told them to make sure they red, because I'm going to clown all you pumps. Hello. Is it fashion week? Because I'm here to show. I'm here to walk around. I ain't never seen a clown with any other color shoes, but red.

And they're bigger than they're cold to me. You know what, Joe? You can probably attest of this, Joe. What was that? Like when confidence sets in, you play with confidence. Joe, at some point you played with confidence at the highest level. And I'm thinking of what confidence did for me when it comes to the NFL. And I'm going to see if it transitions or translate over to the NBA.

When I was confident in the game that when you talk about the game of football, you talk about the game of basketball at the highest level, it's so goddamn fast, Joe. It's so goddamn fast. But when you have confidence and you get in that zone and your, in your, confident in what you're doing and you know what's going on, the game seems so slow at that point. Yeah. Once you get confidence, everything is not moving in slow motion, but it's not as fast as people say it is because that confidence does, it just does something to you.

I don't really know how to put it into words. Don't, you know, most of the time, before kickoff. I'm nervous, Joe. I got butterflies in my stomach, Joe. Yeah. I don't talk trash all week. Why the hell am I nervous? Why the hell am I not scared, but there's a certain fear to it until I touch that.

Joe. Yeah. Once I touch that ball early in the game, it just, it just do something to you. I don't know how to explain it. I don't know if it's like that with basketball. You know,

you make your first shot. I don't know how it goes. Oh, yeah. But confidence is one hell of a drug. It's a high. Oh, man. It's everything. Oh, Joe.

Yeah. You make them, hey, in basketball, boy, you make that first shot or two. It's a rap. It's a heat check about to come out to that and somebody in trouble. You hear me. It's the same way.

Yeah. Yeah. In football. Hey, Ojo, you know you catch the first pass, you get a 35-yard touchdown. You're like, hold on. I already got 35 yards and a touchdown? Oh, y'all are in trouble.

Y'all are in trouble. And don't let me have, hey, three catches and I got 70 yards already, and we're still in the first quarter. We're early in the second. Oh, I'm getting a hundred. Oh, I'm getting a hundred. Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. Man, hey, you ain't getting nothing. Shut up. I'm in the end zone. You're talking about it ain't going to get nothing. Just ain't going to get nothing. else because I already got this one. Yeah.

Ain't nothing like getting off to a good start, but I don't know. Ain't anything. Ain't nothing like it, ain't nothing like it, Jordan. Because it seems like it just takes you through the whole momentum of the game. It's like everything kind of goes your way, you know what I mean? And you don't have to even try hard. You know, it's just like, it's like in basketball sometimes, you know,

Ocho, you can be playing. If you're a guy who really don't score or really don't want to shoot the ball, it's like the ball of fine. Yeah. You know what I mean? in basketball, it's kind of similar that, but it's like in a rhythm, it's like I don't, anything I do, bro,

it works for whatever reason. You know what I mean? Like you said, I mean, just everything they call it, I'm the second read, I'm the third read. And lo and behold, I get, like, damn, okay. I appreciate it. Yeah.

And everything is just flowing, like, oh, man, hey, what you like? Call whatever you want. Call a run. I'm gonna be over. Right. Or whatever you're like. Hey, listen. Your playbook is my playground now.

Hey, listen. But on another note, it's been games. So I don't win in the games. Okay, Ocho, I'm talking about feeling good, warmed up good. I'm talking about boy couldn't hit Nate Thangy out there. You know what I mean? It's been like my body feels like I'm ready to go. I'm like, yeah.

Off tonight. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's been days, man. I don't feel good and been off. The best game I ever had, Joe. I didn't do nothing that we could. I was like, man, I don't even know why am I here practicing. That game against Kansas City.

I think I caught like four last. The whole week in practice, Joe. The whole week of practice. Yes. And then we get in the same year, I only had like 30 yards at the half, Ocho. I had 30 yards at the half end up with 214. Damn. Boy, you went crazy in the second half, huh?

Chauvin'allengue. They had, you know, because you know at half, Ocho, we draw plays up. This is what we like. Okay. This is what they're doing to this. And he said, hey, 84, we're going to come out with the counterpass. Just make sure. Hey, just make sure.

I was like, counterpad, bro, you call that one, you call that on Wednesday. I ain't see that issue no more. Right, right. Boy, they ran that counter. The linebacker stuck, they took one step. I said, if you take one step, you bet, oh, you took a step. God dang it. It's a rap.

Oh, Joe, I had a TV. They were trying to get me, but I had a TV, Ocho. Yeah. I had that TV up in front of my arm, Coach. They couldn't catch me. Yeah. But it's like that. Sometimes you have a great week of practice,

you're just like, no. Oh, this is 100 easy. This is a hundred and two-togh. Man, Ocho. This is easy to work here. Getting the game, I end up. I got three for 30. Hey, hey, listen.

Hey, look, if you're the laws, you're really mad about it. Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take three for 30 and have a- Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Look, you're still going to fill away, but you're on, yeah, we won. Oh, and then, you know, we just, hey, we just got to make sure we do a, hey, you know, they're talking about we're going to do a better job. We got to get you more involved. And they're going to do no good now. That game over time talking about getting me involved with what? The game over. Y'all pulled that boy job again.

Y'all might have to get the police, the po'clock. Because I'm going to, hey, I, I remember, I remember them days. I remember them conversations. A receiver coach Try to come talk to you I know you ain't test the ball yet I know that's Hey it's been three quarters

We're going into the fourth What are we doing? It did guess what they asked you, Ocho What you like? I like you to get the F out of my face That's what I really like Because I'm about to blow my I'm about to lose it

Yeah You're talking about what I like What is looking like What they're doing You ask me that now We're down 14 And they got the ball And you talk about what I like

Boy, I remember, oh my goodness. Get out my face. Yeah. Oh, that's the classic days, boy. Hey, good memories. Man. Good memories. But 54 games into the season, Detroit Pistons,

has the worst, they have the best record in the NBA. Well, they're right there with, what you call them? With the, okay C, 54 games in Seattle, Detroit had the worst record in 2024. What a difference? years make because now K. Cunningham is averaging 27 or 25 and a half points

almost 26 points a game almost six rebounds a game almost 10 assist the game 1.5 steals per game he leads the league and assists he's leading the east and plus minus and the best player on the best team he's going to get some serious serious

MVP votes because it's so because look I think the thing is the thing is Yokit and Yonis is probably going to be out of it. going to play enough games. Yep. Right. They missed too many games.

Yep. Yeah. And it depends on, I'm sure Shay's, he should be back. He's going to play enough games, but it ain't going to be as defended because now you look at it, because last year they were so much,

the record was so good. But right now you look at it, okay, K's like, hold on, I'm playing neck and neck. He's averaging more points, but I'll average more rebiles and assists. And my team, my record,

my team record is just as good as he is. Yeah. So we got a couple more months to see because right now, yeah, you're right. They're about naked, they're about naked neck and neck. One can pull away from another just depending on obviously team success. Right. And obviously, you know, the numbers are those guys going to have to continue to put up. But I think, I think, Shay being out, it definitely gives us an opportunity to just look at K to focus on K. Because he's not there.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so like I said, with Yonis being out, Yokic, I don't know, Kevich can only move. miss one more game. What's the likelihood he played the next 50 games, Joe? I don't see it happening. You ain't got, you ain't got a shot in there? Yeah, I think Lucas is going to be in there.

I definitely do think that Luke is going to be in there. Yeah, he got a shot in the dark, huh? Yes, yes. The Lakers can, you know, stay afloat, maybe even go on a run, continue to push themselves up. They need to be the top four seed, though. They need to be the top four seed. There you go.

They got to stay at the top of the west. And I think they, I think he'll definitely have a chance. Jailam Brown, too. Jalen Brown will get some votes. Yes, so what are you in second place? They're in second place in the east? And he's averaging like 27-20-year-the-game. Yeah, he probably average.

That's a probably career high-haired. It's 28 a game. Huh? Yeah, 28 a game. Yeah, he's like 27-28 a game. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he definitely going to be in. They're killing the Warriors right now.

It's 83-54. The Warriors beat up, man. Without Steph Curry, it just don't even look the same. And I think the thing is that when you think about that he's doing this without Jason Tatum, no Al Horford. Yeah. They've traded Prozinger, they've traded Holiday, and he has them in second place. And he's really the only, he's the only All-Star on that team.

Ain't nobody even thinking about All-Star. Right, right. I don't think anybody else other than him know anything about Chuck Taylor. So that's the only All-Star they know. So with him playing the way he's played, he's definitely in the MVP discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think Joe Missoula should, he deserves more credit, too, on the coach. Yeah. Because it's basically been plug and play. You know, they got rid of key guys, bro, and just brought in guys off the bench guys whom they've developed. Right. They've stepped right in and continue to play at a high level.

And then you get Vucevich, which a lot of people ain't talking about, that's going to help Boston out too. They got a chance to battle in their east as well. He can pull the, he can pull the other big away from the basket. He can play the pick and he can get the pick and roll. He can pick and pop, he can dive, he can shoot the three. He can defend, he can, he can a weak side help. Oh, he's a solid player.

They look, he gives, he a real threat. He's going to be a real threat out there. You can kind of play through him a little bit. I did not see this though, Joe. I ain't going to lie. I did not see the Celtics being this good. Not without all the pieces that JT's not there and the pieces they got rid of. Look, Jalen Brown is right.

He's a finals MVP. he's an Eastern Conference MVP. He's been an all-N-B-A selection. He's an all-star. Okay, fine. But to have the two-seed in the East and play, you got to tip your hat. I think, okay, Ocho, I think he took everything personal

because he's heard all this. You know, he's heard the shots that people took it, boss, and all they weren't going to be able to compete. He's heard it from everybody. He's heard it from all of us. So I think he took it personal, honestly, because the numbers that he's putting up this year, the way he's been playing. I ain't just talking about offensively, Arcan Ocho.

I'm talking about defensively. He takes the challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He guards the best player and still puts up, you know, 28 to 30 points a night. That's hard to do. That's why when you look at him and you see his physique, his body, you see how cut and ripped up he is.

Yeah. Like he can go all day, bro. He can go all day. So, yeah, I think he got a shot in the dark, Anken Ocho, on their MVP as well. It wasn't, it wasn't the J.T. gone and y'all ain't going to be nothing it was the Olympic team he's like hold on I'm a finals MVP

and y'all take the third of the fourth best player on my team Derek white over me yeah at an eastern conference MVP as an NBA finals MVP and you mean to tell me that y'all take and this is not a shot at derrick y'i i love my teammate unbelievably we won a championship together but y'all don't crack if y'all think this man better than me And, but I think the thing in the all-star situation, Joe, you got to look, okay, guys,

Devin Booker say, hey, I ain't got to score a point. What y'all need? I'll defend. Ant-Man, say, I'll defend. So you've got to sacrifice a lot when you go to these teams. You can't be the guy that you were at your team. They got, they got KD, LeBron, and Steph. It's built around them.

Everybody else, you got a role to a plate. When Grant Hill and everybody, they put these teeth, this team, team together, they says, okay, let's look. Who can do this? Who can do that? And you got to swallow a lot of pride because look at JT. JT was a three-time first team, all-NBA selection. That man getting some DMPs. That man playing two, three minutes a game.

Yeah, he barely played. Yeah, hey, but listen, listen, see, you know, in the Olympics, they played 10 minute quarter, so instead of 12 minutes, it's a 40-minute game versus a 40-minute game. So if Tatum already got games when he was getting DMPs, they so front-loaded with that position like Uncle's saying with LeBron and KD, bro, they're going to play 30 plus minutes.

They ain't before the minutes in the game. You know what I'm saying? So if you bring Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, you're going to have two guys that are going to have some DMP. Derek White knows he's there to play defense. Book already them said it. Books, I do whatever y'all need me to do. If I need to grab water, I got you.

So, you know, hey, it's kind of. of like when the OG team win. Y'all know who they came to see. Get in where you fit in. Well, Larry already said last start the game, and the next thing you know he lay it on his stomach, or laying on his back, because he's back to lock up on it.

So, but no, man, I love Kate Cunningham. He's in the MVP discussion. They're the number one seed in the Eastern Conference by six games. They're playing extremely well. He's an all-star. Obviously, he's going to be an all-NBA selection and deserving of so.

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Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. But he's playing phenomenal basketball as we speak. Speaking of Kay Cunningham, Kay Cunningham says he's the best American player in the NBA. He told GQ I want to be on that Olympic team coming up. I think I'm the best American player. Joe?

Wow. And when you say American player, we got Ant Man, we got J.B. We got J.T. We got Steph Curry. We got Kevin Durant. We got Ant Man. We got LeBron James. That's six American players that I named right there. He said, I'm the best

American player. That what he said. Hey, listen. Yeah. Yeah, so listen, we got to take the man amongst his word. He said he the best. Hey, he's going to, hey, look, maybe that's why he came out and put on the performance he put on the night. Yeah. Against the Knicks.

Yeah. Ocho, he said he's going to show you, Ben, he can tell you. And Mitch. We left out of Donald and Mitchell. So that's, that's 10 when you think about American players. Yeah. But, hey, but he definitely, he definitely. Oh, he's going to be on the team.

Yeah, absolutely. And matter of fact, you got, you got to have that kind of confidence. You got to talk like that. to feel you the best of what you do regardless of who else is in got damn NBA there you go that boy too at Detroit I'm going to put us on the mantle I want people watching us I want people to pay attention to what we're doing yeah how do you do that when you have an article like that and you say something like that that nobody can call egregious because you're backing it up on the goddamn court on the hardwood there you go not all eyes on you when you do that kind of talking there you go

he also said he also told gq guy file baiting is the biggest problem in the NBA and accuses three superstars in the top five tier of doing it. They plopping in just too much. What are you doing your best players do that? Three of the top five, ten guys in the NBA are doing it constantly. You're going to kick them out of the game. Yo, who are we talking about? Yeah, who are we talking about Joe?

He didn't put no name. He put no name on it. He's talking about Luca. He's talking about. Shea. Hey. Who is he talking about? You talk about Yokin?

Who? Jokos be flopping? Yeah, they got that little, they got that little, they got a lot of flop to their game, Ocho, but, hey, they're getting it done. The best players have always been able to draw files, especially when you drive, when you hold, drive the ball, you can put it on the floor, Jordan, Kobe. Now, obviously with Shaq, Shaq was going,

because you got to, you got a file, you're going to, bring the basket, bring the gold down on your damn head. But the cards have always done that. Right. I think it's, it's been, it's been. been modified a lot differently in today's era of Ocho. Like, Jordan was so athletic that he was going to the cup. Like, he was taking the beating.

You know what I mean? He wasn't shined away from the contact. Nowadays, you got guys soon as you, because you can't handchecked you under that nowadays. Right, right. So now as soon as you drive and a guy touch you, you see guys. They fall in the back. Bro, stop.

They're trying to get the ref attention. They're trying to get the refention because at the same time when I'm driving, Ocho, you can't have your hands on me, bro. Yeah. Back then, you know. Oh yeah, you had to play through contact. Yeah. Yeah.

They body you up. You go to the thing, they body you up. Hey, all you see the fish and do is like, oh, get up, play on. Get up. That's all they do it, Joe. But you know what? Hey, we talk about Shay, but people forget there is like a five to like a six-year stretch. Nobody drew five files like James Hardin.

Nobody. No. No one. and then there's like a three-year stretch when nobody drew files like Joelle and B. Not even close. Nah. Because they figured it out.

Well, James just got a knack. He got a knack for scoring and seeking contact, body hunting. We call it body hunting. Once he get in the paint anywhere and he knows guys going to be in there reaching, he's going to extend that ball. You're going to hit his arms.

He figured that out. He is the best at that. Yep. And then M.B., he was just trying to find different ways to score the basketball. Yeah. You know what I mean? Versus taking the beating.

He knows guys going to play him hard. They're going to be overly aggressive. So he used their aggressiveness against him. You know what I mean? Yeah. They started to figure it out. And the thing is, just like when those guys back of the day was averaging 30 with no three-point shot. Ooh.

That's all they were doing. Mid-a-Mitties. Mid-ys. Now you got guys shooting one or two steps over half. Yes. Oh, that them guys. Even the top players getting up anywhere between five and eight threes a game. Luca, Shea, they're getting up between five and eight.

Donovan Mitchell, and man, they're getting up between five and eight three is a damn game. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's, that's, that's, and that's, that's, that's, yeah, because there's some boys out here. Yeah, them boy getting eight to 12 threes up. Those boys ain't playing. Yeah, it's a different. But I have a different ball game.

I don't have no probable what Kay said. Because guess what? They're going to start picking this team next year. Because, you know, I think they already qualified, right? Don't they have to go to the world again or the fever. I'm not sure. But he's going to. We don't be sending teams.

Like everybody else will be going to all these tournaments. We just basically, we just get ready for the Olympics. We throw a team together for the Olympics. You might come out better sending a team that's used to playing together. It's hard to get guys that he averages 30 on his team. He averages 32 or 20 years, and he's used to playing somewhere between 35 and 40 minutes a game, and now you got this man playing 18 minutes, and you think he's going to be cool with that.

And it's tough because the chemistry that you have to have, it's like we all kind of got to sacrifice a little bit, you know what I mean? But you don't want to be too unselfish to where the game starts to look sloppy, and now you're passing up shots that you typically would take. You know what I mean? So I don't know, man. I think we're going to be in a good spot. It's going to be very interesting.

I think the Olympic team is going to be a look a lot different. I can see a scenario where KD is on the team. I don't know if Steph – You think he don't want to do it? You think he don't want to do it? I think KD's going to do it. I think KD's going to do it. Why not?

Why not going to get five? What was that? That's in 28? That's in 28, right on? What about Steph? Joe, you think Steph are, stuff would do it in 28? I don't know if Steph wanted to do it.

They had to coach Steph. Steph's like, you know what? This was my swan song. You know, I got to do it with, you know, the guys that LeBron and KDoo who I competed against the line, the bulk of my career and to be able to do it with those three guys.

I don't know. I mean, he could, but I don't know if he wanted to do it. I don't, ain't nothing top of what they did what they did in Perry. Patty? Oh, no. Ain't nothing top of that.

They had to dig deep against Yolkin's team, Serb, and they had to dig even deeper against the French. Playing on a home court with Gobert and Wembe and, and what's the other guy named? The big dude, talking about the, he played for the. They got Yavicelli. They had, what's the guy he's at a, was he with the Knicks?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that, yeah. I know you're talking about. I think, I don't know if you went them anymore. I think they traded it for, something, four, Farnier, Farnier, yeah. Hey, Joe and Unk, that last game were USA won where Steph had to hit those four, those four, to actually have a chance to win the game.

Who was that? That was against France. That was France. In the championship, man. I thought they were going to lie, Ocho. They had me scared a few games. I'm like, man, they were down. They were down.

Well, they were down against Sudan. Remember South Sudan had them down? Yeah. The Serbs, they blew the Serbs out, and then they was down by 15 against Serb. With Yokitsch and Bogdanovich was hitting the shot, but playing out of their ying yang. Yeah, yeah.

But you know what, though? I do. I can see, I can see Steph playing on. He got some, it's some great guards there. Obviously, you know, we're talking about the Cades. I can see him want to play with Cade. I can see Steph. I can see Steph.

Well, hell, he was on the fence the last. time, Joe. We're only two years. We're only two years from. Yeah. I can kind of see it. Like him being his like they last hoo-rah. I can see that.

Joe, he waited into what year 15, year 16 to even play this first Olympics. And now you want to play the second Olympics, year 18. Yeah, they'll make it worse. Wow. Yeah. I mean, he might, listen, he might like that feeling too. He might like that feeling of winning goal and want to want to do it again. It ought to be in the shoe.

because, you know, it was nice to be on the world stage. He had underarmor, but the thing is, I'm sure somebody, Nike or Ditas or somebody, maybe he wants to do his own brand and put it on the big stage. But we got our work cut out for us. We got our work cut out for us because the French ain't playing. Wimby. Wimby's only going to get better. Hell of him.

He's only going to get better. He's nice, boy. He's going to continue to figure it out. He is going to be, he is. Hey, listen, it's like he a cheat code, Uncle Ocho on offense, but he is a super cheat code on defense. Because you can think you got to lay up, man. That man comes from way across court over there.

How you challenge the three point, the guy shot a three, you challenged that. The guy got the offside rebound and went to lay it up and you pinned it against the glass. How the hell you do all that? Hey, you can't teach them, bro. You can't teach that. Hell no, you can't teach seven, four and a half, seven, five,

or however tall he is. Yeah, there you go. But he has like that, moving like that. Coordinated, because a lot of times you saw guys, uh, uh, uh, that tall, you see George Mirosada, you see Bobon or you see, uh, uh, Rudy Gober. Bo, Bo, or you see momadu, Jai. You see guys that's excessive Chuck Nevin, guys that seven, four, five, six on up there like that. They're not coordinated like this kid.

This kid can have a ball. This kid can put it on the floor. He can shoot the three. Now, now, Bo Bo Bo was letting the threes go. Bobo, he had that sleigh shot on him. Yeah. Boy, hey, look. I mean, Manu'u, Bo, Bo, Bo is the son,

Manute, excuse me. Manute, Bo wouldn't be able to touch. No, no, no, no, no, no. The way, hey, look, the way that he moved, the way he dribbles, the way he pull up for his jump shots is just, when I seen KD contest his jump shot and he won nowhere nowhere near close to block it. That's what we call that tall man jump shot.

You ain't blocking that. You just gotta hope he missed. I mean, you can't, and I hope you know, Joe and Ocho, you know how the guy, they put the ball, put the hand up in your face so you can't see the real. Yeah, can't he put the hand up.

I need a broom. Hey, give me a broom, little, put this broom up in his eyes. Because I ain't know where you're blocking the damn shot. He already seven four, seven, five. So when he jumped, he's shooting the ball at damn near 10 feet. Hey, hey, Joe and Unc,

the only way to start, Wimby, obviously you got to be somebody got them damn near physical, huh? Down there in the paint. But he has been a whole lot of times out there. Well, it ain't, yeah, it ain't necessarily the paint. It's called doing your work early. Meaning, Ocho, if I'm guarding him,

soon as he crossed half court, I got to have a lot. Yeah, because I know he want to try to get to, he want to try to get to the mid-post area to where he can kind of get it, size you up. So before he get to the mid-post area, man, him going to rouse all the way to the mid-post area. And by the time he catch it, I want him so tired that he got to settle for a jump shot.

You know what I mean? He's going to get a good look. Yeah. Yeah, so you got to wear him down. You got to wear him down. You do. But, uh, old Wendy.

We got to, the Americans, we got our work cut out for us. We got our work. The women, the women going to breeze again. Man. I can't remember.

I think the last time they might have lost the 92 or something, maybe 92. I can't remember last time the women lost the Olympics, the goal in the Olympics. No, they ain't, they ain't even got no competition. But have y'all watched the unrival league in Miami?

Hey, you see my girl Chelsea Gray? Oh, you see my girl? Hey, point God. Hey, boy. Oh, listen, Ocho, the girl's killing us, guys. When it comes to the basketball, the one-on-one scene. Oh, I saw that. I saw that.

They want to do the one-on-one king of the court. Yeah. Oh, man, the unrival killing. They kill her. Yeah, shout out to Chelsea Gray. She won it from the Aces. Hey, she got some games. She played out here.

in the Atlanta some league. I mean, one of, listen, playing one-on-one, the way she can handle the rock, you're damn right. Because if you can,

one-on-one, if you can handle the rock and you can shoot a little bit, people are going to have to get up on you, but you see a, wop, wop, a, it wasn't like she would laying the ball up.

She was killing that turnaround. Yeah. Listen, she was, Ocho, she know how to use her body to create space. Get that little dribble,

she may get that, give you that little shoulder, that little bump. Yeah. She gets to that little Miran, you're a cash. Oh, yeah. She pulled a lot out of her bag the other day when I was watching. Because when you think about it, her and Jackie Young,

they're on the same team. I don't know if they, once they get this, this, this, this, the CBA or get this thing, if they can keep them together. But if they, if they go keep her in Asia and Jackie together, who's beating them? It's going to be tough to beat them. It's tough to beat them in a series. Yes. The best team going pretty much always win.

And who could, who could, you can't do. First of all, you can't do nothing with that big lefty. Asia Wilson. I don't know. You can't do nothing with that. It's early still. She is the greatest woman's player in the history of the game. Yeah.

You look at what she's done for TVPs. She easily could have won a fifth. The game, Stuie won it. Congratulations. But she's been a defensive player the year. She's led to league in court. She's led the league in blocks. She's led to league in rebounding.

She's a, She's a three-time champion. She's a two-time finals MVP. Hey, the women's game is in a great space, okay, Ocho. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They trending in the right direction. I really wanted to come down to Miami and catch one of unrivaled games.

They look like a great scene, bro, like the scene, the atmosphere, like, they're doing a great job out there because that's a three-on-three full court. Like, it ain't full court. They condiss the court, make it spala, but you still go up and down. You know what I mean?

Like that's That's dope, That's dope. I want to see that. Yeah, I thought it. So the last time the U.S. Women Basketball team

lost the Olympic game was in the semifinals of the 1992 in Barcelona. They were defeated by the unified team, formerly the Soviet Union by the score of 79, 73. So that's the last time that they've lost the,

that might be the last time that damn lost the game in the Olympics. You're right. Hey, look, we got the best. Yeah, it didn't close. It's not even close. Now, they're, Now, they used, the Australia used to have a good team with you.

I don't know if you remember Lauren Jackson. She's the three-time MVP. Yeah. Yeah. She did. I remember Lauren. She had goat. But when you look at, we had spoon and we had all the, we had, uh, all those.

They can't mess with us. They can't. No. They can. No. They not, look, I understand like the, the men game is out, the men's game as far as around the world is outgrowing the women, but. they women not messing with us.

They not. Right. I agree. They not. It don't even be no game, bro. They'd be up 100 to 32. So I feel like, come on. I mean, you think about it.

We got a big, I mean, we can throw Asia, we can throw Stewie. We got Chelsea Gray. Now, Chelsea was hurt last time. She was coming up that serious ankle injury. So she was not herself. She 100% healthy. Now they got a Nescu. They got, oh, man.

We loaded. We got this. Call your B. Oh, yeah. We got this in the bag. Yeah. Joel and B. Hey, look, Joel and Bid say he would trade his MVP for one, one healthy pro season run.

I would trade my MVP for one healthy postseason run because I think if I'm healthy, I'm dominant enough that I would carry us to win a championship. I like that. I like that, Uncle Joe. I think, I think because Joel Embed understands how good. great he is with my small and simple knowledge of basketball of being able to watch him dominate me being at that 70-point game and watching him take that game over all four quarters and he's had to deal with injury history for a very long time to the point where analysts and pundits have gotten on

him about being healthy and having to play one game and sit and then play one game and sit i think if he was healthy and had two good knees he probably could do just that so i i understand what he's saying And he's probably frustrated. He probably frustrated himself. Man, you got to, you got to want to help yourself, too, Ocho. You know, you got to, you know, if you know you got bad needs, man, you got to take care of your health, keep that weight down, keep your body strong. Like, you got to take accountability for that part, man.

But you know what I mean? Like, you come, if you're on your diet, he eating that McDonald's. Yeah, like, you can't, that's your diet. You say that you eat McDonald's. Eat what got you. you there. That's what you said. He don't. I know he don't eat McDonald's though. You didn't see him on the, oh, you don't see,

you don't see him on the train. Okay, go ahead. That's okay. Yeah, I'm saying. Hey, somebody that size had the chef. Okay. I mean, I would think so. Hey, Joe, didn't you have a chef? Yeah, I had a chef, but you still eat zoosos and wim, oh, Joe, because you got a chef. They don't mean that. Okay, okay. Okay.

You don't mean, none. You know, you can't come in the camp, overweight, man. You know, we got a lot riding on you. Yeah. We're on your back, big fella, but we need you to be in shape so you can care. He came into the league with a bad back. Remember, he missed the process. I mean, how many years did he miss before he even started? Because he had the bad back.

You came into the league hurt. What's the likelihood you come into a league hurt that you think you're going to make it out and you got to play 82 games? So basically you're playing down there every other night or every other other night. Right. And you 300 pounds running up and down the court. And that's why I always I always revert back to the training of what you do in the summer. You can't take the whole summer off, bro, and then come in and now you plan every other day.

Of course, in two months, you're going to be in flame. Your needs are going to be hurting. Your back going to be hurt because you ain't been doing it in the summer, man. You got to take care of yourself, keep your body strong. There's never an offseason. Just because you ain't playing, it ain't no offseason. You still got to stay locked in, you know what I mean? Yes.

You know what? I think would be better too, on. Joe, if he wasn't hurt during the season, if you look at most, most of the basketball players, they play basketball year round. They have, they have a little fun, maybe not go as hard, but they play basketball year round. I think if he wasn't hurt, I think he'd be able to keep his weight down if he was able to play basketball year round.

But the fact that he's hurt during the season, when the off season comes, he has to sit down and rest. He has to rehab. And rehab. He doesn't get to train. That's his fault. Because think about how hard we trained in the off season. and when we get out there to camp, we were still sore

because that's not the train. We ain't starting and stopping like we doing training camp. Think about we out there two days. So I'm still sore even though I don't ran by, I'm in phenomenal shape. When I say I'm talking about 220, 2.32 at 5% body fare. I'm talking about cuts everywhere. I mean, I'm shredded like a tax return.

You know what I'm talking about? That's why I'm shredded like that. Yeah. Yeah. Ways gone. Like a clip. email just disappeared. So I know how my knees and ankle felt.

Man, that third day, Ocho? Hey, so is here, boy. So as he. Hey, hey, got to keep the body strong, bro. That's why, like, in the all-season, Uncle Ocho, I always love staying in shape, bro. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I just don't know why I always love staying in shape. Hey, speaking of standing shape, bro, what that leg feeling like, yo? Boy, I told you, hey, Ojo, I played volleyball today with my daughter. I took it a volleyball practice day. Yeah. And before practice started, like the first 30 men, I get out there with the girls who play volleyball, Ojo. Yeah.

Boy, when I come down there to see you and me and you had this little one-on-one, you're on tomorrow. Hey, hey, give me a number, Joe. Like, like, what percentage? What percentage is you at right now? I'm probably about 75% right now. Oh, yeah, that ain't going to cut it. $1,000, 78%. Yeah.

That definitely ain't going to cut it, Joe. Hey, can I tell you what's going to surprise you? What's that? You have the experience, huh? You played the game for a very long time. Right. What I think is going to surprise you in person is how fast and quick I still am, and I'm going to fly by your ass.

And be missing layups. That's all I'm going to say. I can see you missing layups and all kinds of shit. Like, I see it. Hey, Joe, honestly, Joe, I'm going to. I'm a competitor, Joe, and I really don't think so. I don't think so. I respect you.

I know what you done. I don't watch you dying here with the heat. You know, I didn't watch your whole career. You are, you are a Hall of Fame, Joe, but it's one thing about I stand on business, Joe. And I, you know, I ain't scared of nothing. I'm going to compete. You're going to have to show me. Uncle Ocho, y'all know I'm going to just be doing that for fun because I don't get no stripes for killing you on the court, okay?

I don't get no, I don't get no strikes for that. I don't get no strike, but I'm going to do it. I'm gonna do it for the people because I wear this crown and I'm the people's chasing. They go. I'm gonna do it. There you go. There you go.

Give them what they want. See? Yeah, y'all see what y'all created? I want y'all to know. Y'all's created you. The chat, the chat then created a monster. I just want y'all to know, chat. Y'all are responsible for Joe's behavior.

I'm trying to. The chat is personally directly responsible for Joe's behavior. Yeah. I got y'all, chat. I promise I ain't gonna let you out down. I wear this with dignity, integrity. I'm gonna wear that. Listen, I'm your guy.

Hey, Joe, what the hair you got on? I got, hey, I got on my keys up, man. Would you be when I got on? Oh, so you purposely put that on to go with the crown? Yeah, what she thought this was? I told you looking like Joppy Joe Farron coming to America. Hey, boy, hey, he's showing all. Oh, ha.

I don't know who he is. Listen, listen, I got the message loud and clear last night, okay, guys. Well, I heard y'all last night talking. See what I'm saying? All I need is a little bit. Okay, I see what they got going on. Okay. All right.

I can't wait. Your day coming, Joe. Oh, my goodness. Yo, your day coming. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to do it for the people, Ocho. I don't get no strike for this, but it's all love.

Hey, any, any, anytime you beat. me in anything, Joe. In life, I ain't lost much of nothing, Joe. I ain't really lost in life too much. So the fact you do get stripes, even though it's your sport, you digger as much as I talk, you get a strike for beating me.

Now, you getting striped for beating me as much as I talk trash. And I'm telling you that. It ain't going to be a walk in the park that you think is going to be, Joe. Okay. Because I play basketball like we in the 80s. I'm letting you know right now. Hey, Jay, because you talk loud and tough. It don't mean it's going to get you no point.

Joe Joe one thing about it. Me acting tough, me talking tough, me being tough is on film Joe. It's on film, Joe. Okay. Remember what happened? Hey, remember what happened to Bill Lambere? What happened? Oh, you don't remember? What happened to be a

Lambert? Okay. You know how you played the game, huh? How he played it? How you played it? Oh, you built Lambert, huh? You be a Lambert. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, it's gonna be like the 80s, 90s out there. We're playing. with me, boy.

Man, Bill and Bill were so dirty. Hey. Hey, hey, with him, Mahorn and Rodman and Sally, man, you couldn't imagine playing again. Mark Aguarez, Isaiah,

man, they would kill it for. They were going to split you. They were going to split you up for the show. Yeah. Hey, see, I'm just giving you fair warning, long as you know. Yeah, okay.

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