Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Caleb Williams needs help, Russell Wilson wants pay day, Lions won’t rest starters

Episode Date: December 27, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Geno Smith and the Seattle Seahawks defeating Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears in a 6-3 snoozefest on Thursday Night Football and urge the Bears to get some help from a creative mind for Williams and beg them to not mess this up. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Pittsburgh Steelers QB Russell Wilson projected to sign a $140M contract, Detroit Lions HC Dan Campbell says he won’t rest starters vs. the San Francisco 49ers and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:27 - Intro05:55 - Seahawks v Bears19:14 - Russell Wilson31:35 - Dan Campbell37:00 - Teddy Bridgewater comes out of retirement39:00 - Siriani apologizes51:05 - Jamarr Chase1:01:14 - Chiefs days off before playoffs(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Should the Bears have kicked the 50 or should the Bears have attempted a 57 yard field goal or try to try to pick up the first down there and get him get closer. Well, listen, if they thought their kicker had the leg to even attempt a 57 yard field goal, especially with the with the with the weather, the way it was, they would have been out there and did it. Hey, listen, this good game, this game was not only good and terrible, but it was a snooze, especially me. Yes, it was. On the part was. And on the part of the Bears officer coordinator, not making any goddamn adjustments

to what the Seahawks were doing the entire game. Dog, they blitzin'. It's a numbers game, it's always a numbers game. Make the adjustment necessary to give Caleb Williams the time to actually throw the ball, he running for his life. They had six, seven sacks. Yeah in that situation, you know they're bringing gas, hey I'm gonna make, I'm gonna run smoke screens and jailbreak screens and shovels until you stop listening. I gotta get the ball out of his hands. Listen you got to understand you got to, you have to scheme against, okay listen when it

comes to playing football, the game of football, it's simple. It's a game of matches, the game of numbers in a simply a chess match between the officer coordinator and the defensive coordinator. Anticipate what they're going to do. You're in the fourth quarter. They've been blitzing the whole goddamn game based on your tendencies and down in distance. Common sense. You got to know what to do. They not even use a Caleb Williams to his goddamn strengths.

Well, anytime I got a mobile quarterback, oh, Joe, the last thing I want to do is to give him time. I wanted to make him make snap decisions. So I'm on pressure. I'm going to heat him up because I don't want him to sit back there because I know Caleb Williams wants to buy time. He wants to let everything develop. No, I want to I want you to make quick decisions. And the way I do that is that I blitz you. And then because when I blitz you, you're gonna take your eyes off downfield

because you're gonna see the rush and you all of a sudden, and you're not gonna readjust. And by the time you readjust, we're gonna either have you out of the pocket or we're gonna be gotcha. And so that's what they were doing. I agree with you, Ocho. I didn't see any adjustments tonight

that would make me think like, bro, y'all see what they're doing. They're doing the same thing. Now maybe Seattle is not a blitz package team. But, you know, normally, uh, uh, McDonald's is, is, uh, uh, you feel he can get pressure with his front four. But in that situation, I just want to speed Caleb Williams up. I do not want him to have time, Ocho. I don't want him to think about what he's doing. I want to put pressure on him and I want to make him fanatic. I want to make him frantic. I want to make him like a helter skelter. And when, if I can do that, I like my chances. He is a rookie.

He's going to get better, but he's not going to get better in this system. He's not going to get better this year. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Listen, it's malpractice. What they're doing to him offensively, whether the coordinators or whatever, whatever they're doing, he looked like a deer in headlights on every time. He looked like a deer in headlights, huh? Yeah. Every time, he looked like a deer in headlights. He has no time to be composed.

He's always on the run. He's running for his life. And they confuse him the entirety of the night. I'm so confused. I mean, that's the thing. They did. But it is okay to throw the ball away. You But I'll tell you, I'll tell you, but it is OK to throw the ball away. You're not going to look.

I know in college you were able to get away from a lot of this. A lot of this, Ocho, because that's what you know, he won the Heisman Trophy. He does have great escape, escape ability. He does. He's able to throw the ball on the run, rolling to his left, rolling to his right, right. He does. He can do that. Oh Joe, a lot of times mobile quarterback get themselves in trouble feeling that they can escape everything. Everything.

Look at the most sack guys. And a lot of the guys that have been most sack are your most mobile guys that you wouldn't think there are your Michael Vicks. There are your Justin Fields. There are your Lamar. Now Lamar doesn't get sack as much as he did early in his career because he understands he does a better job of getting off the football. But Steve Young used to get sacked a lot.

Steve McNair used to get sacked a lot. Randall Cunningham used to get sacked a lot. Go back and look at a lot of your mobile quarterbacks and you'll see because they run themselves out of harm's way on the front side only to run themselves into trouble on the backside. But he's gonna have to do a better job because they can't protect you all.

They can put you behind the great wall of China, but at some point in time, you're gonna have to find a way to get rid of the football, Ocho, and not take those unnecessary sacks. Because sometimes he takes, not tonight, notwithstanding, he takes sacks that takes him out of field goal range,

or it puts him in a bad situation where it could be third and say four now all of a sudden is third and 11 is third and 13. You can't do that because you're not over you're not good enough to overcome long down in distances down in and down out game in and game out. Listen if they if the officer coordinator and the head coach know that the officer line is as bad as it is They are no bad the way it is You got a you got to run the quick game You got to run the quick game if you're not having any success on the ground You got to be able to get the ball out of Caleb's hands as fast as possible

Help them listen if the receiver they have problems getting off the ball to get an open Condensed the goddamn spits put him in buttons, put players in motion. Do it. There's so many different things you can do from a creative standpoint to not only help Caleb Williams, but to help the offensive line and the wolves that they having and get the players in your playmaker's hands. It's too many things you can do from a creative standpoint that they're just not doing, especially tonight watching what the Seahawks are doing. And I'm sitting here watching the game. Well, God damn, why are you running?

Why are you running routes 12 yards and over and you know, you're not, you don't have no time to throw the guy. You don't got the time to complete the ball. Uh, the Seattle Seahawks approved the nine and seven. They're half game back of the Rams for the NFC West. The Rams this week, they're at home. The last two games, They got the Cardinals this week and then they have the Seahawks the following week. Both games are at home. The Seahawks tonight recorded seven sacks, countless pressures. Geno Smith, 17 of 23,

a buck 60. Caleb Williams, 16 of 28, 122, no touchdowns, one of the exceptions. Like I said, look, I understand the condition, but it's just a bad football Plus this Thursday plus this Christmas ain't nobody really trying to travel Seattle like man, bro And you know, okay when you travel from the north wave No, I mean you can't go for the north of what Seattle is unless you got a team in Alaska or Russia That's as far north you're gonna be able to go. But this game was not very good considering, and even the games last night, Ocho, yeah,

they were one sided yesterday. But, oh man, I mean, and what? Texas only scored four points, I mean, two points, considering that the Saints got shut out. They were the first team to get shut out in the 2024 season. They scored zero points Seattle, excuse me Seattle Pittsburgh only scored ten points. But tonight you got Bad offenses that didn't didn't execute very well It was raining is the day after Christmas

Give various fans credit for showing up because they know they're not going anywhere. They're trying to be very supportive. So I, I, I tip my hat, Ocho, to teams, to fans that go out there when they team, they know their team is trash and they're not very good and they're not going anywhere. And they show up with the same passion as if they're in Kansas City, the same passion as they were with Philly or they're in Baltimore or one of these teams that they're know they're going Kansas City, the same passion as they were with Philly or they're in Baltimore or one of these teams that they know they're going to the playoffs but I I commend the Bears for doing what they do it because they don't

have a whole lot to share about. It's promising. It's going to be very interesting to see who they hire and the offensive coordinator that they get to to groom and to cultivate Caleb Williams. Don't mess this up, Bears. You all really haven't had good quarterbacks in a long, long time. I don't know if you've ever. Hell, you might got to go back to Sid Luckman.

I know what Jim McMahon did, but I'll show for the most part. They haven't had very good luck at a quarterback position. And if they mess this up, they're going to be kicking themselves. Listen, they should be kicking themselves for what they've done to quarterbacks. I don't know how long it's been. Jim McMahon is the last one I can remember that has some type of success. Yes. But when you think about it, I think about the coaches that are out there.

They had Pete Carroll's name in it. But from a creativity standpoint, understanding the skill set and how special Caleb Williams is, having someone that can come in there and get the most out of his potential and what he's able to do. Ben Johnson, I know you're going to see this clip. All coaches, all players see these clips that we have on Nycap. Ben, if you have opportunity, man, please not only save that franchise, but save Caleb Williams. Save Caleb Williams and allow him. I mean, you're you're one of the one of the few officer coordinators who was similar to that of Andy Reid, who has the creative prowess from an officer standpoint that can get him to his full potential and change that and turn that

bears organization around. I mean, please somebody got to do it and he's the only one I can think of. He's the only one I can think of. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, because of the success that Kingsbury has had with Jayden Daniels. Yeah.

Do you look at him? You see, he did get a Kyle Murray, rookie of the, offensive rookie of the year. About to do it again with Jayden Daniels, offensive rookie of the year. He coached Johnny Manziel, got him to Heisman. Kyle Murray got him to Heisman. If I'm not mistaken, he might have been the coach with Baker Mayfield, got him the Heisman.

But now maybe Baker was a. With a cliff or was it a. What's the guy was the office coordinator name at US, the head coach at USC? But Cliff has done a great job of cultivating young quarterbacks, getting them prepared to play. If I'm not mistaken, he will. I think he had Pat Mahone, boy. It's like a rally, like a rally. I don't know. Maybe Lincoln Riley had Kyle Murray and Baker uh, uh, and Baker Mayfield in college, but I know Cliff had it at, at Arizona.

I know Cliff had Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M. I know, uh, uh, uh, Cliff had Patrick Mahomes at Texas A&M. So he understands that level of quarterback, the athletic quarterback that can throw the football, but they're really good with their legs. Johnny great with his legs, especially in college. Mahomes, great with his legs. We see what he can do with his. Now, he doesn't run around as much as Caleb.

He doesn't run around as much as Jane Daniels, but he has the ability to get out of harm's way. And that's what you need. You need a creative mind. You need somebody to come up with a scheme, Ocho, that's going to maximize what these guys do. And and look, it's great. It's Pete Carol.

Liz. I don't know. Now if people don't go out there and hire one of these hot shot, uh, office coordinators, okay. But, but, you know, Pete want to play defense and, and, and, and, and, and, uh, and I don't know. I mean, he did a great job with Russ. Let's not, um, Russ came along, got a soup bowl. She probably should have got a second one, but they had an outstanding defense.

Now, I don't know if the Bears have the personnel to be the legion of boom. But when you got that kind of offensive firepower, you got a Kenan Allen, you got a DJ Moore, you got a cold command, you got a Roman Dunze and you got a Caleb Williams. You've got to be better on offense than what they displayed this year, Ocho. You just got to be. Yeah. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at

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Obviously there's been a skid as far for them the last three weeks offensively, but I think Arthur Smith and Russell Wilson- Would another year under their belt? Yeah, would another year under their belt? I think it would be good. I think Russell Wilson has a possibility of being the quarterback of the future.

And if they don't see fit, as far as giving him three for 140, then you know Justin Fields is always there as a backup player if things don't go well, similar to that of Kirk Cousins. The Falcons, they signed Kirk Cousins, whatever the numbers may have been. And it didn't pan out the way they thought it would, and you make the switch. But Russell Wilson has shown that he's very capable of leading the team, being a leader of men, doing what he's always done.

He's not the same Russell Wilson of old. He's not the same Russell Wilson of old. But he is adequate, he can protect the ball ball and he can make the plays necessary. And Arthur Smith, the way he calls a place for Russell Wilson is perfect. It's perfect. You know, the running game, Nigel Smith saved, saved that team a little bit from an off in the standpoint, cause they don't just throw the ball over and over and over and over and over and over. Yeah.

They're not going to type off. Yeah. Yeah. They're not built like that, but I think, I think it's a good thing. It's a good thing just to have some stability and security at the quarterback position because without that, it ain't happening. Despite what it looked like the past three weeks. Yeah.

I think the thing is the turnover bug has kind of bit the Steelers. I mean, Russ didn't take care of the ball against the Broncos. He turned out a bad interception in the end zone for our youth, fumbled the ball. Go ahead. On that interception, this past weekend. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's Pickens fault.

You got to get off that release. You can't stop on the route because you you have to put that safety in the bind and make a decision. So- You are absolutely correct. But again, the stats don't show that. They just say, Russell Wilson, interception. I saw it from the jump. I saw it from the jump.

Yeah. I saw T.O. tweeted it also, about how you stop, know the route. That's the last outro. Everybody, everything, every play, everybody has a responsibility. And a lot of times in order for you to get maximum result out of that play, everybody has to do their responsibility. Now, occasionally, sometimes guys don't do their responsibility and you can still get positive out of a play. But when it's when

the negative is so egregious, when the negative is so egregious, yeah when the negative is so egregious he stops Well when he stops the court the safety on like there is no threat outside Why the hell would I split and get wide when there's no thread out there? My threat is streaming up the scene Mm-hmm. So let me go and just take this off your hand Ross. I appreciate that now B Ocho Pickers is gonna have to be stopped having to be so emotional on every play every play. He doesn't get the ball He like oh my goodness. Oh Lord have mercy cheese. I Mean he thought a ball of it bro. I know I know

He's a phenomenal talent Ocho Bro, I know he's a phenomenal talent, Ocho. The catches and the difficulty of the catches that he makes on a consistent basis. But if he were to channel a lot of that energy, Ocho, I don't know, I don't think he realized just how good he can be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think he does.

I don't think he realizes, Ocho. He got special ability, Ocho. Yeah, he't think he does. I don't think he realizes Ocho He got special ability Ocho. Yeah, he does. He does. I do know that I wish the Steelers would realize that too I wish they I wish they would realize it too and Maximize his potential, you know put him in put him in different positions to make some of those plays outside of just go ball Here go ball there. Yeah, you know, man man mood at mother. Oh, excuse me. My bad my bad Go ball there. Yeah. You know, man, man, move that mother. Oh, excuse me.

My bad. My bad. Move him around. Lady, touch it early. You know, he's a playmaker. I've seen him glance and go to the house and go 70. Yeah. You know, he can do some of the same things.

T Higgins and Jamar K Jamar Chase can do at 6364. He's special, but they don't use them in that sense. So I kind of, I kind of get not making excuses for him, not making excuses for him. I'm just understanding how good he is and how much of a difference he can make for that offense and making everyone else job around him easy, despite them being emotional at times.

Yeah, I just think the thing is that he can't get frustrated, you know, the interception, bro, that was on you. Um, and they're like, they go somewhere with the ball. I mean, I'm sure they would love to come to you, but I mean, they're doing a great job, they're taking their best receiver, their best DB and putting him on you. It's not like McGuff is a slouch. Yeah. But he, the guy made all pro as a rookie last year for a reason.

Yeah. Probably going to make the pro bowl again. Him, sir, tan and, uh, uh, songs Gardner are probably going to get you, make the pro bowl. Now he might get left out, uh, and J Ram go, but it's going to be interesting. But I think we know, I think songs garden and certain tan, certain is definitely making it. I mean, sir, tan might be, uh, uh, one of the two best corners and I don't think he's two. So it's gonna be very interesting to see how the AOC cornerback position. I think that, hold on.

Oh, that might be next week, Ocho. I thought they was gonna name the Pro Bowl stuff this week. Well, I guess it's because of Christmas. That's the last game of the season, ain't it? It's before the last, because you know, Ocho, we used to do it like week 14. Yeah. So, you know, week 14, you come out, you got, you got a week, the 15th game, and then the next, you got, you know, you close out the season. So, I thought they were going to do it. I thought they were going to do it Tuesday, but maybe because of the holidays and where it fell.

So, maybe you're right, Ocho, maybe you're going to do it before the last game of the season. But like, it's going to be very interesting to see what the Steelers do and how they play this thing in the off season. They do have Justin Fields. Maybe they have another year on him. I don't know. I don't think they picked up that option, but I think they kind of like have his right. I think I don't know. I don't. But Russ at 46 million million that seemed to be kind of like to play here But here's some here's some quotes that came out of the locker room There's been a couple of weird check this out with your TJ watch it. I love football I love the process and I know there's a lot of guys in the locker room that do also

Cam Hayward said this when ten guys do their job and one guy does it we're screwed Deshaun Elliott first off guys can't be effing wide open that's the first thing just do your job Patrick Queen can't explain it it's happening we keep talking about it but nobody's doing anything about it is there drama in the Steelers locker room and how does the Steelers brush off this losing streak? Cause they had a two game lead over over the Ravens and now the Ravens of leapfrog them and if the Ravens beat, um, Cleveland, the final game of the season, they win a division and they're going to get a home game and the Steelers that are in the playoffs, they're going to have to go on the road when they could have been in this catbird seat, had they taken care of their business. What's going on in the Steelers locker room?

Yeah, you know what? You know, Mike, you know, Mike, don't nip that nip that in the bud. You know, Mike don't play that now. Now there are very few times where you have players, especially on a Mike Tomlin team that come out and voice their frustration when things aren't going the way they should. Mike can go talk to those players. I don't think there's any drama. Obviously, yes, they're speaking from a defensive standpoint and obviously some of the things that they're saying. Everybody has to do their job. They're 11 players on the field.

It's a team sport, but each individual has to do their own job. So they're speaking on other other players on what they should be doing. That shouldn't even be talked about at all, at all, because when you when you turn on the film, it's no show. They know the eye in the sky. Don't lie. Correct. You know, it don't lie. So there's no need to talk about anybody else.

Just make sure you do your job. And when everybody's on one accord, one band, one goddamn sound, the winds will come, you know, I think I think I wouldn't say the players are panicking because I think they just frustrated. Yeah. Frustrated because they've been, they've been winning. They've been winning for so long. They're used to winning all the time, you know, and now all of a sudden thing,

you can have a three, two games skid, whatever it may be of losing. Now you all up in arms. It's no need to panic. Just keep on chopping wood. The idea is to pay it because all, all losing. Yeah, it is. It's no need to panic. Because all losing streaks are the same is when the losing streak takes place. At the end of the year, you're supposed to be going here, not going here.

And right now you see where they're going. They were here and they're no diving. They're not going here. The Ravens were here and they're going here. The Steelers were here and they're going there. So we're going in two different directions. I think the thing is, go ahead, Ocho. Now what I was gonna say,

you don't fix that by complaining though. You see those by complaining, especially in the media. Man, get your ass back on the field, practice Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, do your fast Friday, do your walk through Saturday, and then you go execute it out there on Sunday. No, we off. They play weird, Ocho No we off. They play with

it. Ocho they good. They got Thursday, Friday, Saturday off. See y'all Sunday come in and get something done. Monday, Tuesday be ready to go. Yeah. They probably got the rest of the week off Ocho. Yeah. Because remember they played they played yesterday. Yeah. So I'm certain they're not coming in. They're probably not coming in until they might not come in until Monday Ocho. You think so? Yeah. They got Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah they're not coming in. They're probably not coming in until they might not come in until Monday. Oh Joe. You think so? Yeah. They got Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah. They're not coming into Monday. Okay. They're not coming into a Monday. Give them some time off because think about how many games they played. They're one of them teams that played like three games in 11 days. Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna give you a body of chance. And the

thing is what people need to understand like winners, they're assembled as a team and they figure ish out. Losers assembling in groups, B-I-T-C-H moan, complain, and then nothing gets solved. Right. So what are you? Are you a winner or are you losers? Right.

It's really that simple. Now I don't know who they're talking about, but that's for, I mean, Cam Hayward, T.J. Watts, they're de facto leaders of that defense. Cam has been there a long time. He's been a very good player for this team for a very, very long time. T.J. Watts is one of the two or three best defensive players

in all of football. He's probably on the very short list to win defensive player of the two or three best defensive players in all of football. He's probably on the very short list to win defensive player of the year again. He's had, I mean, he's been quiet, but we know what TJ White is. We know who he is. Like I said, he's on the very short list again to win defensive player of the year. Miles Garrett is also on that list. There's a few other guys that's on that list, but he's he's going to be in the mix.

When it's all said and done, TJ was going to be in the mix. And so, uh, uh, I agree with you about Russ. Uh, I think that seems to be the going rate for one of these guys. Uh, that seems to be the year, the years, Ocho. I'm not going to be heavily committed and I'm not giving no two, three, $200 million. And I'm not giving all this a hundred, 125, $30 million in guaranteed money. That seems to be a good going rate for Russ. I think he has, like you said, he's not what he once was. He can still get out of harm's way, but he doesn't have he doesn't possess

the improvisational skills and the capability that he always did, because a lot of what he did in Seattle, that office was contendent on his improvisational skills. It was almost like, okay, call the play, Russ, that play ain't gonna work. I already know it's not gonna work, but I called it anyway, but I need you to do what you normally do. And he would go out and get the a lot of harm's way. But it's gonna be very interesting to see how they finish off the season. Because boy, that'd be ooh, to lose your last four games and then get kicked out in the first round I don't think the Rooney's are gonna be very happy with that and they're gonna have to do some long soul searches to

figure out what actually happened Dan Campbell won't rest starters against the 49ers if the Vikings beat the Packers the game the game against the 49ers will will not mean anything for the Lions no if the Packers beat the 49ers will not mean anything for the Lions. No, if the Packers beat the 49ers, is that what you mean? Cause both the, hold on, I'm confused. Why would Dan Campbell start resting starters anyway in week 17? I mean, you got another game to go. I can see if this is a fight.

First of all, I can see if you already had home field clinch like the, like the chiefs, the chiefs are going to rest their guys, but can't nobody catch them. Right. It would be a shame for Detroit to have home field basically for the entirety of the season and then lose it in the final week, week 17, week 18. Right. Um, so no, no, I get it.

And it just so happens he's playing in one of the best divisions in football in a very, very long time. You got 13 and what you got 13 and two, 13 and two, and you got 11 and four. That just lets you know just how powerful that division is. I mean, those three teams in the division have like,

what's that? 13, 13, 26, and 11 is 37. They got 37 wins. that division is. I mean, those three teams in the division have like, what's that? 13, 13, 26, and 11 is 37. They got 37 wins. When you start adding up Jacksonville and the Giants and the Raiders and some of these other teams, they don't got 30, 37 wins between like seven 18s. Yeah.

Dan knows exactly what he's doing. It's a very fine line. Oh Joe, uh, between rest and Russ, we made that mistake. Oh Joe, we damn they had the division one year clenched. I think it was 96 and we ended up losing the division around the Jacksonville, but we had, we had a division clench down there at Thanksgiving. So you know, Mike is trying to juggle, you know, we playing and then guys playing till the third quarter four on behalf of sometimes like a preseason game. TD, you know, playing half, you know,

I don't play the last game. TD don't play the last game. John don't play, you know, it was like, and now you play it like that, Ocho. You get to buy. So really you hadn't played and that play realcho. You get to buy. Yeah. So really you hadn't played and that play real football damn near the month. And you know, we got off to a great start, we got off to a

nothing and you know, I end up dropping I dropped a two point conversion that would have made it 14 nothing and we didn't really get our momentum they go on a streak, but they had a really good team or Joe they had you know, Brunel, they had Neytron Means, they had Jimmy, they had Kenan. I think they had, who was the tight end? I forget. I don't forget who the tight end was anyway, but hell.

Who was it? You remember the D.V. with Donovan Darius on that team then? Yeah. Yeah. I remember D.D. way. Yeah. But yeah, I agree with Dan. I mean, especially it's really too early. You haven't clenched. I don't know why the hell you would restart when you haven't clenched anything.

You have to write. You have to write to be a wild card. It's true because Minnesota is in your division. Yeah. And they play they play it really well. Absolutely He said i'll make it either for everybody that way all critics can jump out and start attacking But the way, uh, but that way you don't have to debate them anymore We're bringing everything we got into this game and we're playing I don't care what it looks like We're uh, where it's at or who this who's that? We're out there to play to win this game out on the West Coast

So there you go Do you like the wheels? Yeah, I guess what people are saying because they're so injury depleted I'm playing the guy if you're healthy you're playing I mean, I don't really know what the debate is. Oh Joe if you're healthy you're playing if you can't go you're not going right, I mean. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, Dan Campbell is the one that has that franchise turned around. Nobody else. Yep. I don't get anybody else on the outside of that building is

talking about he went in there and changed it. Yeah. And Brad Holmes did a great job of drafting. You draft the Jamison Williams. You draft Jamir Gibbs. You draft the Jamison Williams, you draft the Jamiro Gives, you draft the Armand Ross St. Brown, a Penasul, and you get guys in free agency to come there. You do the right, hey, you look at a Brian Branch, you look at an Arnold, you look at the guys that they've drafted. They've done a great job in the draft,

is sprinkling in some rook and some free agents. You know, they got a DJ reader. They got some of these guys over there. Oh Joe, that's played really well. You see what they did at the trade deadline. They went and got Z the Daria Smith. They've done a great job. He's changed the mindset.

You make the trade for Jerry golf and you trade one of the one of the home time, you know, a fan favorite who was the former number one overall also in Matthew Stafford But they've done a great job Montgomery signing David Montgomery, but I like looking they trade TJ Hawkinson They're like, but hold on TJ Hawkinson went to the Pro Bowl. They bring in Sam Laporta Who's more what Dan Campbell Hawkinson's is mainly an elf or what we call a fly a tiger tight end Not really good at the point of attack

But he can catch the football La Porta the one thing about you can say a lot of those guys out of our they're gonna block You look at kill him and put his hand in dirt, but he gonna get after you. Yeah They don't get the thing about that. I don't know what they got going on them corn fair jokers out there at our man I'm just gonna be playing man man. Oh Joe Teddy B Teddy to come out of retirement and sign with the Lions today. Weeks after he coached his high school alma mater to a state

championship uh uh Miami Northwestern they beat I think they beat Reigns in the 3A championship class. 3A championship Florida uh Bridgewater uh coached his alma mater. You know I can see him being a coach. I was right here down the street. So you like the move Ojo?

That's a goddamn lully but listen this is if you were to be able to tell a story if Teddy Bridgewater was to be able to write a book I think this would be the perfect story in it huh this would be the perfect story in it for one not only to be from Dade County, not only to be from Liberty City, not only to overcome all the obstacles Teddy had to go through, right? Play quarterback at Miami Northwestern, you know? Play quarterback in college.

I can't remember where Teddy went. Go to Louisville. Go to Louisville too, right? Boom. Get drafted. Go to Minnesota. Just have a stellar NFL career. Go back to get back to your alma mater,

to show the kids, to give the kids hope. Look, I was able to do it. Not only was I able to do it, I was able to get to the highest level of my childhood dream, the pinnacle of that, and come back to you and give you all the knowledge that you need to know as your head coach, take you to a state championship,

and then have the opportunity to go back and play the game that I love and grew up trying to, trying to get to. Yeah. It don't get no better than that. We talk about blessings, man. That's, that's the biggest blessing, the best opportunity ever, man. I'm happy for Teddy. I mean, why they signed him, I'm not sure.

A great locker room guy, a great locker room guy. I think having me in the locker room can be a good thing, especially for this playoff run. And I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. Not very many get this kind of opportunity though. Teddy Special, man. Oh Joe, Nick Sirianni apologized to Zach Ertz for the spat after the commander's game.

Video has emerged of Zach Ertz, he winning for a handshake with Eagles head coach, Nick Sarayani. Nick turned his head and said something to Ertz as he walked away. Ertz was furious about what Sarayani said and Big Dom had to get involved. Even though he apologized,

is this a bad look for Sarayani? It is. Ocho, Ocho, that's the head coach. That ain't gotta be your homeboy, man. Listen, let me finish. Let me finish. He's the head coach, right? Yes.

We don't know what happened with him personally before he left. Yes. There might have been some issues. I mean, Zach Erms probably knows that. You know there were issues. I mean, if you know we not cool, even if I am the head coach regards to my job title, and we know we ain't like that,

man, fuck all that buddy buddy shit. You can't be that, you're a head coach. You're the face of the organization. You can't do that. So you think it like me and you think it. That players. Right. You the head coach, Ocho.

You the CEO of a company. Now think about it. Now we just saw him get into it with fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bad, Nick, at some point in time, you're gonna have to be the bigger person in the room. You can't constantly get, because I'm telling you, you know who's watching?

Harry Roseman. You know who else is watching? Jeffrey Lurie. They're not gonna continue to let you keep embarrassing them in this situation because they believe with the talent they got, they can bring somebody else in

and coach this football team. Now, I don't know how, look, they got Dallas Garter, they got, I forget the guy, he's from Oklahoma. And so they, I think they traded him. Oh no, they might have released Zack I don't know but you know, he has some injuries. Oh Joe. He had a little injury after he'd been dealing with some concussions Last year or so, I think if I'm not mistaken

but Even though oh Joe like even like me and you now that's different me and you a as a player Player come to shake my hand. I don't rock with you different me and you as a player player come to shake my hand I don't rock with you that's what I got for you that's what I got for you but as a head coach right see that's why it's hard to ask me that question that's why it's hard to ask me that question because I don't I'm not thinking about the job title as being a head coach man listen man you know what you know we don't you know I only rock with you yeah I'm gonna shake my hand for fuck nigga I mean oh shit my

bad that's how we talk that's how we talk we're not in the position we're not in the position and this ain't no that's I don't like what fact that Nick Sarayani is a head coach now you have to fake how you truly feel and how you would normally operate because of that said job title. I don't like, listen, Zach Erps, I don't like you. Why are you coming to shake my hand? But as a head coach, how many times you think you lying,

Ocho, let me ask you a question. As a head coach, how many times you think you lie to players? You lie to players, son, you doing good. No good will he be in terrible. Bingo, you see what I mean? And you lying. That's of players, son, you doing good. No good, well, he being terrible. Bingo, you see what I mean? And you lying. That's what we need today. And today is day.

No, you can't do that. Not in that position, Ocho. You lie too much. No, Ocho, it's okay though. As a head coach, if you have a player, I don't even know how you got here. I don't even know how you made the 50-man. Well, you ain't gonna coach long.

Huh? You ain't gonna coach long. You just not. See, that's that's why I can't coach y'all. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna be honest. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, hold on. How you say you

not gonna coach and you just got the way this year that you will criticize players but all of a sudden you the head coaching you with the players and you're gonna be like this. Oh yeah, yeah, it's different. It's different. See's different see I can even listen hold on stay stay with me now I with you I with you listen I can empathize with the players when things

are going well because that was once me I'm not that far removed from the game even though it's been some years so I can't far removed boy you 15 years removed hold on I can still play. Don't do that to me. Don't you can still play, but you still be removed. OK, but listen, I can see it from both from both sides of the spectrum because I know what it's like as a receiver. I know it's like the mess up.

I know it's like the loaf. I know it's like the Mr. Block. I know it's like the drop of ball. I know it's like the touchdown. I know what it's like to have a gate to lose a game on the hands of my bad play. Okay. I always keep that in the back of my mind when talking and being critical of players.

But now I didn't got better now. I don't even care no more. Yeah, you should. But let me ask you this, Ocho. Ocho, when you loaf or you drop a ball and somebody pointed it out, how you gonna say they hating? See guys get mad now because you point out,

bro, you was loafing. Ah, Ian, you a hater. Bro, all I said was you was loafing. You were. You were like, you make it seem like I made this up. I can pull the tape out and just say, okay, Tim, what you thinking on this? You dropped the ball.

You missed the block. You missed the tackle the tackle so how if I say that if I'm if I'm analyzing a game and I say hey we need to get better play out of X we need to get a better play out of Y how if I'm stating the obvious is that hating you mad cuz the point that that the fact that I pointed it out, Dion told me, Prime told me something early on when I first got it, especially because like he and I went to, you know, I think time might be 266. I might be 267. I wonder what I think. I think he's before me. But anyway, and he was saying he was like, Sean, he said, you have to understand, you're not just anybody critiquing them.

You got that gold jacket. Yeah. You got credentials. Your words carry more weight. I said, but time, it's like, they said, they didn't want people that didn't play the game critiquing them. Ocho, you and I played the game.

Yeah, yeah. I ain't making this up. Right. All I'm saying is that you did this and it didn't work out. You probably should have did that or you missed the block. You missed the catch.

Now I'm a hater. Now I'm jealous. I'm like, bro, how? I'm what? I'm like, bro, I don't know if y'all noticed. I know I've been away from the game 20 plus years. But Google, Google still work. Damn.

Google Shannon shop. And then when they talk about stats, pull it up. And they might show you that picture with that gold jacket. I remember number 267. So ain't no jealousy, bro. I got Super Bowls, I got Pro Bowls, I got all that. Guys, all I'm trying to do, I gotta be honest. And a lot of times, you know,

and I try to what I try to do, Ocho, I don't try to get too far in the weeds and say certain coverages and this because I find myself, Ocho, talking you and I talking. You we talk a language that you and I understand the casual friend is not going to understand what a bare defense is, what a stretch is, or what cover six, cover six kick, cover five. They're not gonna understand that, a over front, a under front, a seven technique, a nine, a wide nine. They're not gonna understand that. So I try to do, I try not to get too far into the weeds when I'm talking football terminology. But guys know that playing, that's playing the game,

and they know when I talk, they know what I'm talking about. They just try to discredit me and use the word hate. They never say, I don't know what know what I'm talking about. They just try to discredit me and use the word hate They never say I don't know what the hell I'm talking about They just say I hate I'm a hater and so the casual fan like and they use that term so much People start to believe it bro. I ain't got no hate. I want you to get all your money I do but when you analyze something Oh Joe, you got to be honest about what you saw because you and I, we know what we're looking for. Oh, listen, not only we know what we're looking for, we know what it should look like. We know what it should look like.

Yeah. Yeah. But hey, listen, I didn't got better. I've been critiquing my ass off. You do. I give you that. You do. You absolutely do. Hey, I'm waiting on the muffler to mess up now. And it's not about what you say too. Now I don't realize it's not about what you say, it's how you say it. Yes. It's all in the delivery.

You know, I'm saying that, you know. Yes. I don't say it with conviction. Yes. I say what the problem was, and as soon as I finished the problem, on saying problem, whatever it is I saw, I always have a solution was and as soon as I finished the problem on saying problem Whatever it is. I saw I always have a solution right to follow up with I always have a solution to follow up with every time

But I just it just like coach. I mean, it's okay. I understand you and feeling Tough but as a player Goes out of your way you just this is a bad look for you. If it's another player, I don't rock with you, Ocho. I ain't got no problem. I don't rock with you, bro. You know I don't get down like that. But in certain situations, you have to be the bigger person. I got you, I got you.

In that situation, he does. Yes, sir. And so, you know, look, Ocho, you know a lot of coaches don't get along. Hold up, who was that with somebody was shaking hands and they shook the hand too long or too hard? Yeah They somebody got it the coaches and he shook his hand and he's like you shook his hand. Are you serious? I think I forget. Well, that might have been.

I forget who it was. I really do. Maybe it was Harbaugh. Maybe it was Jim Harbaugh. It wasn't because it wasn't John. John didn't got that. That's how I want to say Coach Jim Harbaugh. But I'm not really sure.

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Talk your talk. What? Stop playing. He's going to be a unanimous. He's going to be a unanimous. Yeah, unanimous. All Pro. Unanimous. Yeah, I can spell unanimous too. U-N-A-M-I-N-U-S.

Unanimous. Close enough. What y'all talking about? Yeah, unanimous. I can't remember a guy that won the triple count. That wasn't a unanimous MVP. Exactly. Because the All Pro is a combination of AFC and NFC

uh that was it was Jim Swartz oh Jim Swartz with he with the lions oh it was it was Jim Swartz and Harbaugh wasn't it? Jim Harbaugh yeah Yeah. I think it was Jim Swartz and John and Jim Harbaugh when he 49 of the 49ers played the 49ers played the Lions. If I'm not mistaken as you're trying to find it right now. Jamar Chase, 108 catches. CD Lamb is out for the rest of the season. So he can't kick. Oh, what happened? What happened to CD? He has a shoulder. They can't make the playoffs. Go get the shoulder fixed.

Okay, okay, okay. Let's get a head start. Okay. Okay. Uh, Almond Ross Saint Brown is 101 catches. He's seven catches behind. Brock Bowers has 101 catches. He's seven catches behind. Nobody can, they're not going gonna catch him for touchdowns and they're not gonna catch him for yards

he has 1510 the next closest to him is Yes one he's 123 behind 123 yards behind so Theoretically if JJ we know he's capable of going haywire. Yeah, I don't think so. Um, so I think he's gonna win the Triple Crown. He doesn't win the Triple Crown. He should be a unanimous all pro selection considering the numbers that

he's put up this year. Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. Not only is he unanimous, he gonna have a unanimous goddamn contract in off-season. And I don't want the Bengals to sit here and waiting around till goddamn right before training camp. Listen, we don't need to dilly-dally no more. We don't need to dilly-dally no more. Let's get Young Bull paid so he's happy, he's in a good space mentally, you hear me? So he's there for the off-season training program so he's happy. He's in a good space mentally, you hear me? So he's there for the all-season training program. He's there for mini camp. He's there for all the training camp.

Because he missed this, stay with me now. He done missed all the training camp, right? Yeah. And came out and had a season like this. Mm-hmm. So I'm saying that you get him in camp. Now imagine that he might have 2500 next year. Come on now talk to me. We talk, listen, we talk about the greatest bangle receiver of all time.

Now we ain't just talking about no any of that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's earned. I ain't say he deserved. I said he would have earned the contract that he's gonna receive. Now you could have paid him, but you didn't. You let the price of gold, you let the price of gas, you let the price of oil get high. So now you're at the mercy of it. Now, you know what? Matter of fact, let me tell you what the prostitute told me back in 1987. What'd she tell you? Yesterday's price ain't today's price. Who had got this going up? It didn't went up because she caught me after she caught me right?

Yeah. I had five dollars on me right? Yeah. Then I got paid two days later and she knew I got paid so you know what she hit me with? Yeah. Yesterday's price. You could have got him a five but I know you got money it's gonna cost you ten plus I don't clean up a little bit Actually, you're gonna call me 20 back then back then. Yeah, you know, yeah, look who to call you for $20. That's it Yeah, let's win it. I think this 1987. Yeah. Yeah, that's a little something They damn me, you know, they put it out like that. They need a little hit little fix and keep it moving Yeah, yeah yesterday and today's But I tell you what Mike Brown go wish you had him. Hey listen they could have they could have they could have gotten for a

little cheaper now. Yeah because the problem they had they had to they had two years left so now you pay and you say look at Jamar we gonna give you money but theoretically we really oh Joe theoretically We got you for four more years We got the two years still in your left contract and we still got two years of franchise tag But we're gonna take care of you now. We need you to a Take care of us a little bit now. We can't give you because you got two years Now now give me my money all of it. I want all, I said, give me everything.

I want everything. Hey, what that dude told, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, what was a sugar rate? Sugar rate was, uh, Richard Price contract. Quick, quick was the little kid. When the old man, when he crapped out, he told him, say, I want everything you took in the night and everything you took in last night.

Yeah, that's what I want. I don't want what I just lost. I want everything that you took in the other. So Chase is gonna say, I don't just want what I got, what I lost last year. I want back pay. Cause you put me out here. You made me take out this big ass insurance policy. And now I want the money that I paid for the insurance policy.

I want all the money that you made. Because y'all about to get a raise for the TV revenue. Oh yeah. Now I'm gonna need that. We know and the funny thing about it is, hey chat, I want to make sure y'all can hear me chat. Can y'all see me? Chat, can y'all see me? Let me let me school to look closer real quick.

I want to look at I want I want you to look what Jamar Chase has done since he's coming to the NFL, right? And he said he was going to do it after the draft. He said he won't come in. He won't break every goddamn motherfucking record. Not only has he stood on business on that sand, but also as his nutritionist. Yes, he confides in me when it comes to his nutrition

and what he puts and consumes into his body to perform at the level that he's performing at the past three to four years. I'm not even sure how long it's been, but he's playing well. Uncle, you know what Jamar Chase eats? What he eat? He eat McDonald's. Yeah. I don't believe McDonald's is the staple of his diet.

And you can eat a lot of things in moderation, Ocho. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Yes. I'm Jamar Chase dietitian. I'm his nutritionist. Yes. I sent him a six months plan on what to do

and how to do it and how to eat it in moderation. Yes. You said in moderation. Correct. Now he only paid me for each month, I charged $200. Yeah. So football season six months, you know, so it's 1200 we have to do.

Right. So, you know, that price gonna go up now. Yeah, he don't charge you 1200, so add another 1800 and shoot me my three. I'm going to sell it. So, you know, that price going to go up now. Yeah, he don't charge you 1200. So, add another 1800 and shoot me my three. that. Now, I know you got it. I

thought you was hurting a little bit. Now, I know you got it. Oh, no, no. Oh, you ain't hurting. Oh, that **** hurting, hurting. Only thing hurting him. Only thing hurting in my heart. Now, they sold sold that back together. Oh man. That was a good that was a good one I gotta write that down. Only thing hurting is my heart and I just sold that back together. Oh yeah you know you know you know my you know you you better now I mean hey Chad there was a stretch right there boy I thought we lost him. No I was good I was good. I thought we lost him. No I was good I was good.

Now if listen if there's something wrong with me, this is the place where I'm safe. And me being someone who don't give a fuck about what people say about me, I have no problem being vulnerable, especially on this platform, especially with you. I mean, I came here, I thought I put my arm around my boy and said, hey, what's the matter, Ocho?

Yeah. Life's a B.A. then. Yes, sir, what's the matter, Ocho? Yeah. Life's a B.A. then. Yes, sir. You hear one day, come on the next. Yes, sir. But you know, hey, you pull through. You pull through. Yes, sir.

Hey, every time. Hey, listen, hey, you know how you start a lawnmower, right? Mm-hmm. You gotta keep yanking that bitch till it start up. Yeah, yeah. That's how I do it. That's how I like to do it. Sometimes you gotta get, sometimes you, hey. Some days it take a little longer to get going, you know what I mean? Yeah! to keep yanking that **** till Huh? Come on now. But then you then you then you got to be careful now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I'm very conscious because I'm seasoned. You hear me? Yeah. Huh?

I'm seasoned. I got a little salt and pepper on me. I got experience in the game. So what happens to I got to stay well, I got to stay. I know food. One thing about it. Sometimes when you beg, right? Mm hmm. Really not who they want to be with. So when you beg your way back in there, sometimes they'll play the long game. You hear me? Yeah. I'm not talking about my situation. I'm just talking about in general for anybody else out there that

might be having problems and they begging the individual to come back. Sometimes they'll come back to you, right? Simply because who they really want ain't really ready. So they're like, well, fuck it. I'm gonna come back and go to him until the person I really want to play. They like to play the long game. So, you gotta be careful. Yeah, you do. Huh? Chat. Y'all stay with me now. Yeah. Now, I got fifty. I have fifty-three years of horizontal experience and fifty-six years of dating experience. So, I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling

you what I know cuz I done been through it. Mm hmm. I'm feeling good tonight. I don't know what the fuck I I don't know what I eat. I'm feeling good night. I don't know what the fuck I don't know what I eat. I'm feeling good night I know you but I go say start with a beat and I ain't talking about no burger. I Say that Because the cheese will have the bye week wild-card weekend The cheese could have as many as 25 days off before they bet begin their playoff push towards the three P because think about the play Wednesday, they're probably not having to come to work and they're one of those

teams and he gave them off considering Ocho. Now they got home field sold up. So the last game of the season don't mean anything to them. home field sold up. So the last game of the season don't mean anything to them. So now they got off Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. My home will probably throw a little something. He'll probably run scout team Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Woo. You're not, you're not nervous about that though? You're not nervous about that though. Having all that time off and your team just, the last two weeks, your team just looking like

the Kansas City Chiefs we used to see them. You ain't look like the Kansas City Chiefs of old throughout the entire season. You had good luck. You had a little luck throughout the season. I'm not saying nothing bad about the Chiefs. They are the Kansas City Chiefs. As long as you have Patrick Mahomes you have a guy who got a chance.

You never got a chance. But I'm just saying as a team, as a whole, even if you are a chief fan of you in the chat, you know, your team has not looked up the par true to the title of the season. Last week was the best I've seen the chiefs look all goddamn season. Yep. All season long, especially from an offensive standpoint. But having that much time off, do you think that's a good thing

when they're just getting in rhythm and just starting to look like themselves or what we used to seeing at least? I think the thing is, Ocho, you can't run the risk. You know you and my home's in your way for me to all be over. It don't matter. You get that guy Nick. It's over. You can't play well enough on either side of the ball to overcome the loss of him. He's the one guy that you can't overcome.

No team can. I as great as, as great as, uh, uh, uh, Derek Henry is running the football. Yeah. Josh Johnson ain't winning no game at quarterback. Right. And it happening. Uh, uh, Josh Allen get Nick. I don't know who the backup is.

You ain't winning no game. Nobody I don't believe there's a team currently constructed that if their starter gets nicked they can overcome that No No, because listen, we just saw we just saw with Eagles Yeah, we just saw with the Eagles against the commanders a lot of people say oh the commanders won that game actually No, the commander did not win that game It was a Christmas gift from the goddamn Eagles if you you look at the way they played, especially defensively,

we ain't seen the Eagles defense play like that all season long. We haven't seen the Monty Smith drop a ball like that. That could have sealed the game all season long. Yeah, they gave that game away to the passes. Blown coverage, 11 of you know what the percentage is for making it a first down on fourth and 11, let alone and not be in the path, let alone not to be in a run. But the quarterback scrambling on fourth and 11, yeah, the Eagles gave them boys that game and I don't mean no disrespect.

It's a good thing. Jane Daniels is having a hell of a goddamn season. I'm just saying this game in Pacific should have been over on that ball. Devontae Smith draw. It's been over. The game was over right there. No, I'm saying, Oh, Trubisky is the backup and Trubisky is the backup in Buffalo. Hell, he couldn't win when he was the starter. He damn he went into the backup. Our Carson Wentz, Carson Wentz is the backup in in Kansas City. Justin Fields, Josh Johnson. I don't even know who the backup is in Houston.

Y'all help me out. Who's the backup in Houston? And that's the thing. Look, it's hard because the roster is because you're not able to keep quality people at the quarter. Oh, Joe, you can stand your way up. Quarterbacks, think about it. Think about how long Steve Young sat as a backup. Joe. Yeah. You ain't keeping those Steve Young is no backup. No.

I mean, think about it. You couldn't even keep Jimmy G as a backup to Tom Brady. Right. The roster spots. I mean, at some point time, Ocho NFL is getting away with it. You can't keep expanding games, but don't expand the roster. You see what they do in Ocho? They don't add another game. They don't add another game.

So they're about to go to 18 games, but you're not going to expand the roster. You can't give us three other plans. So instead of going to 46 46 go to 4950. Come on now. Come on. Oh Davis Mills is the quarterback at Houston. Yeah back up yeah. If CJ hadn't played that well, but I promise you this, if CJ goes out, General Mills, Olin Mills, it doesn't matter.

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