Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Caleb Williams' next move, Stefon Diggs' cryptic tweet, Texans new uniforms

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Rober Griffin III saying he wants USC standout and presumptive No. 1 overall pick to "pull an Eli Manning" and tell the Chicago Bears to not take him in the NFL Draft, Stefon Diggs sending out cryptic tweets that has everyone speculating his relationship with the Buffalo Bills, the Houston Texans getting roasted for their new uniforms, and much more! 0:00 Introduction03:40 RG3 says Caleb Williams should pull an Eli Manning a demand the Bears don’t draft him19:20 Should the Bills want to keep Stefon Diggs?44:20 Keenan Allen says says he told Chargers he’s not taking a paycut54:30 Kenny Pickett happy with how he handled departure with Steelers58:15 People roasting Texans new uniforms #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to happen so thank you so much guys i greatly appreciate that ocho we're going to get right into our first segment of the day which is a news cap yeah rg3 wants caleb williams to pull an eli Manning and demand the Bears don't draft him. He said, with everything that just happened with Justin Fields, can Caleb Williams really look at that and say, this organization has my best interest at heart, and they're going to help develop me into the player I want to become? Do you agree with RG3's assessment?

I mean, somewhat I do agree, based on the way they handled the Justin Fields situation. You look at it from an organizational standpoint. To me, I think Caleb Williams is such an immense talent that he can overcome the shortcomings that are going on with the Bears right now. Obviously, the offensive additions that they did add, I would have to have a talk with management. I would have to have a talk with management. And what are your two-year, three-year plan? What's your two-year, three-year goals as far as I'm concerned,

as far as me being into the fold as the starting quarterback for the Bears? I mean, it's very important. But then you look at it on the flip side, let's say he does demand to sit out and wants to go somewhere else. Obviously, Eli Manning was drafted by the Chargers, but then eventually he went to the New York Giants. What other teams are out there that would be good for him

that don't have the quarterback position already filled out? So with any job situation so if somebody leaves a job I'm not supposed to take that job because they mishandled somebody else is that what you're saying well I mean no I think and I understand what Robert was saying I understand

what he's saying will Caleb Williams pull and do what Eli Manning did no I don't think so I don't think he has the I'm not going to the pull it off pull and do what Eli Manning did? No, I don't think so. I don't think he has the cojones to pull that off. Obviously, Archie Manning and the history that they have with the NFL, I think

he was able to pull that off. I think Caleb Williams, he's going to be a bear and you're going to have to do the best you can with the situation you're put in. Should a quarterback not want to have to do the best you can with the situation you're put in. Should a quarterback not want to go to the Broncos, consider how they handle Russell Wilson?

Ooh, that's a good one. So where do we stop this? Because at every point, listen, I'm a little older than you, Ocho, so I go back and study this stuff. We can go back and look at every NFL team and say they've mishandled a quarterback at some point in time in their history. So is that what we're going to do? Because somebody got mishandled. Well, I don't want to go there. You know, it's tough. It is rough. And the fact that obviously, you know, quarterbacks are given a three year span. span. They're given a three-year span, and these organizations need

to know for the development, the confidence, and which way you want your organization to go. You have to do everything you can in putting the right pieces around those quarterbacks, especially now, and in this day and age, quarterbacks

don't sit back and wait. No, you can't. There's too much money involved at the tail end. There's too much money at the end of the road, Ocho, and a partner, a partner, a cliche, but there's too much money four years down the line in order for you to have to wait. Because I'm going to have to cut somebody a check for a quarter of a billion.

Well, Caleb Williams, the minimum that he's going to get, if he's what people believe, the minimum he's going to get is 300 million. Yeah. So that's also why I knew the minimum he's going to get is $300 million. Yeah. So that's also why I knew he would not be going back. Well, Marvin Harrison Jr., same thing.

Well, the NIL can pay him what he can make it. No, they can't. And second of all, all you're doing is delaying a year from free agency. Right.

All you're doing is push the free agency. So I'm going to push down the road an opportunity to get $125 million, $140 million, $150 million. If I'm a quarterback, I'm going to push down the road the ability to get $300 million. Yeah.

For me, if I'm Caleb Williams, I look at they got DJ Moore. They just got Keenan Allen. They got Cole Komet. Now, could we go into the draft and get an offensive lineman to protect Caleb Williams sure that's a possibility now because with Keenan Allen

with DJ Moore and Cole commit I like the skill because I can go get me a third receiver on down the line maybe the third or the fourth round but now I need to think about somebody that's going to protect the investment. I don't care how much money you got in the bank. You better

have some guards. You better have some security guard to protect it. So that's what you need. So that's why you look at Caleb Williams. You look at him as an investment. Now I need parameters around him to protect it. You see, it's one thing for you to say it. It's one thing for you to say it it's one thing for you

to say it but are is it's mr polk mr proles and the rest of the organization willing to do what they need to do to make sure they're going to protect that investment so you get the best the most of so you get the most that you can out of him early so when when year three is up you're willing to pay him without any regrets or any second thoughts. I believe they are. They also signed Gerald Everett who's a pass catching tight end. They signed DeAndre Swift running back from the Philadelphia

Eagles. And look at the defense. They got all pro Jalen Johnson, who was sensational. Montez Sweat that they traded for and got from the Washington football team, right? The commanders. I think that's where they got him from. So you're talking about a top 10 defense. I'm probably possibly set.

Now I need protection. I'm going to make sure I'm not going to make the same mistakes that I made with Justin Fields. And sometimes, you know, we can learn from the mistakes that we made to make sure we don't make them again, because we got Justin Fields, but we forgot people forgot a situation where we needed to protect him. But

he also, Fields made some mistakes by, you know, not shifting the line one way or another, taking unnecessary punishment. But that comes along with maturity. You learn. You ain't gonna take too many of them right here under the chin, Ojo. We've all taken them, but we learned, uh-uh, I ain't going across

there no more. I'm gonna have my hair on a swivel. I'm going to know where that hit's coming from. For me, I disagree with RG3. I understand what he's saying, but we got to be careful trying to encourage people to do something because we disagree with how the situation handled before

because we can look at, go back and look at it and say, you know what? They mishandled that team too. They mishandled that player. We ain't even got to go back that damn far now. We ain't got to go back that far. Honestly, it happens every year. Especially, look at the running back position.

Look at the running back position and the positions that NFL teams and owners don't feel are valuable anymore. Hell, they ain't handling none of them right. How's your audio, your microphone? What's wrong with it? You can't hear me? Huh?

Hold on, you can't hear me? Yeah, they say you sound like you in the bathroom. How I sound now? Is it better? Hello, hello, hello? Better. It is? Yeah.

You sure? I had to hit the button. Thank you for telling me. Yeah. I had to hit the button on the side of my arm. They say it sound like you was doing a number three, a one and a two. Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm good.

Sorry about that. Sorry about that, Chad. My bad. But think about it, Ocho. They signed new offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. Plenty of play-calling experience building around the quarterback, and they have the number nine pick in the draft, so they get number one pick from Carolina, and they have their own number

nine pick, which is top ten. So if I'm them looking at what I got on defense, I'm going offensive line. If the offensive lineman from, he seems to be the highest rated offensive lineman in the draft. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think his daddy played with Kansas city. If I'm not mistaken, I played against his dad back in,

well, I didn't play against him, but I was on the Broncos teams that played against Kansas city. I think his dad was John out. So that's why, that's where I would go. the Broncos team that played against Kansas City. I think his dad was John Alton. So that's where I would go. If I'm Ryan Poles, I'm going to that name.

I'm getting an offensive lineman, though, Joe. I'm going to get somebody to protect him. Now, I wish you could have got Tyron Smith. Now, I understand what comes along with Tyron because he hadn't been able to play a full season in a very long time. But those 12 or 13 games that you are going to get him, you're going to be well protected.

Yeah, especially on the left side, especially the blind side, actually. Yeah, and so that's what you need. So I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem. I like this. He has weapons. DJ more Keenan Allen to 1000 yard receivers. Cole commit Gerald Everett to pass catching tight ends.

Deandre Swift at the running back position. Like I said, I can go into the draft and get a wide receiver with the third or fourth round pick. But with that ninth pick, I'm going to get an offensive lineman. I'm going to get somebody that's going to protect him because I don't know if there's anybody left in the draft that's going to give you that kind of value where you can protect the quarterback. So I can mix and match from there, but I'm going to first pick. I'm going to take the first pick. I'm going to take his Caleb

Williams. The second pick that I'm going to take is going to be an offensive lineman. Also, Coach Prime, head coach to see you buffs also spoke about Caleb landing in Chicago and said he doesn't like the landing spot. Let me tell you something I have a problem with. Kids coming from California for the last couple of years, right?

Went to Oklahoma, not terribly cold. Chicago is cold, man. You got to think about that kind of stuff when you're taking a young man. Listen, I want you to know, like, see, when you take a guy from Ohio State, you bring him to Chicago, okay, I can understand that. But from California to Chicago, not only that, they added what? One or two more games in the NFL 17 game? Come on, man, you got to factor stuff in.

That stuff matters. Ocho, if you don't mind me, can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Can you tell the people at home where Patrick Mahomes played college ball at? Texas Tech. Is it cold? Is it cold or is it hot in Texas? It's hot out there, boy.

It's hot out there, boss. Where does he play football at now? Kansas City, boss. If you don't mind me asking, but your quarterback, can you tell the people at home where he played college ball at? USC. LSU. Oh, you talking about Joe? I thought you meant Carson.

You said my quarterback. Your current quarterback. But we go to Carson. Yeah, Carson, USC. Joe Burrow played at LSU. LSU, hot. Let's see. Cincinnati, cold. Baltimore, cold. Let's see. Cincinnati, cold. Baltimore, cold. Pittsburgh, cold.

Cleveland, cold. At what point in time did we start making excuses for decoding? If the guy can play, he can play. John Elway played in Stanford. He came to Denver. Did it work out? So if a guy doesn't pan out, are we really going to blame the weather?

Is that what we're blaming it on now? Really? I think it's something just that you have to factor in. It's one of those, what do you call it? I call it anal. One of those anal things that scouts look at. One of those things that owners look at. You know, they nitpick.

Sometimes they go back to elementary and find something that you did wrong in elementary and use that against you. You know, just small stuff that really doesn't matter. And I think for a player of his caliber, Caleb Williams will be able to adapt to the environment. He'll be fine in Chicago until you get them goddamn games. If you don't mind me asking, Ocho, do you know what Caleb Williams grew up at? You're not from L.A.? Washington, D.C. I wonder if it get cold in D.C.

It get cold out there. It get cold out there. No, it doesn't. What? You mean to tell me you... Huh? Yeah. You mean to tell me you said that and you're not Willard Scott or Al Roker and you tell me it get cold in D.C.?

Man, we got to stop this, D.C.? Man, we gotta stop this, man. We gotta stop this. I don't like the fact that we try to build excuses for these guys. Hey, I'm taking the guy best available. I don't give a damn where he's from. I don't care if he played in Antarctica and he has to come to Miami

or he has to play. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if a guy played in Texas and I gotta bring his ass to play. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if a guy played in Texas and I got to bring his ass to Pittsburgh. I'm taking the best guy available that I need at a position. So if I need a

quarterback, I don't care if he played on the dome. He about to have his ass outside. He's going to be all right. He's going to be all right. He's going to be straight. he gonna be alright he gonna be alright he gonna be straight he gonna it snows in North Texas

let me ask you a question so it he play from D.C. so it don't get cold in Oklahoma it get just as cold in Oklahoma as it does Texas yeah yeah

when I was at Langston it got cold up there now it got cold up there yeah Oklahoma as it does in Texas. Yeah, yeah. When I was at Langston, it got cold up there, didn't it? It got cold up there. Yeah, of course it does. At some point in time, it gets cold everywhere. Hell, it get cold here sometime in Southern California. Right. And stop making these excuses for these kids.

Let them play. So I'm going to pass you. You know what, Ocho? One of the highest rated players on the board. I'm going to pass him up because he spent two years in Southern Cal and we play in a cold weather climate. So I'm going to pass him up and I'm going

to take somebody else that's lessened down that's not graded as high but because I think he's going to be able to adapt better than the cold weather. Nah. That ain't happening. You know that ain't happening. I guess where I played, Savannah State. Yeah.

Guess where they sent my black ass? Denver. Cold. Yeah. Yeah. And then for good measure, I went to Baltimore.

Cold. Cold. And they sent my black ass back to Denver. So I was okay. Yeah. Yeah. I just think the thing is,

like I said, John Elway spent four years in Stanford and he went to Denver. Guys adapt. Guys adapt. Just like Tom Brady grew up in Northern California and he took his ass all the way to

Michigan. Oh. Yeah. Hell, New England for 20 goddamn years. Yeah. So guys adapt. You understand goddamn years. Yeah. So, guys, adapt. You understand when you sign. Like, man, I'm from the south. I got to go.

Because guys from Florida go all the time. Go to Ohio State. Guys from Georgia, they go all the time to Michigan, Ohio State. Guys from Alabama, South Carolina. Hold on. Where's C.J. Stroud from? California. He's from L.A.

He's from L.A., yeah. And guess where he played college ball at? Ohio State. Where it was called. Now, why would he do that? Man. Man, we got to stop this. It don't matter.

He's going to be all right. Hell, yeah, he's going to be all right. He's going to be all right. Like I said, it's amazing. You know, it was cold to me. It was cold when I was growing up

in Georgia. But all of a sudden, I make a little money. It wasn't nearly as cold, Ocho. It was the same. But you're a jacket, huh? Mm. I bought me a little windbreaker. You know, you bought me a shit, boy, put that windbreaker on out there. And that wind still cutting through my chest.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Ocho, your boy at it again. Stephon Diggs expected to remain with Buffalo. You got that right. Where else he going to go? Where else he going to go? That's that boy.

Shit. Hold on. He said, ready for whatever. While Diggs' mysterious post indicates there may be some uncertainty, it seems unlikely Buffalo would trade its top receiver this offseason. Remember now, they lost Gabe Davis. Should the Bills want to keep Stephon Diggs? You're goddamn right you're going to keep Stephon Diggs.

He'll top five receiving NFL, one of the best rock runners there is that have ever played a goddamn game. You know, Steph had a good season last year, 107, 11,083 yards, eight TDs. What you mean? Listen, if you let Stefan Diggs walk, right? As a Bills fan,

as a Josh Allen fan for me, what are you telling your fans? The window of opportunity, it ain't that big. Right. Ain't that big. So offensively, you always fall short. You've been falling short.

Who is your best offensive weapon outside of Josh motherfucking Allen? He went number 14. Yeah. He went number 14 because of number 14, it opens up everything else offensively, wherever he lines up. Now, what they need to do offensively and do a little better job of is finding a way to implement him more in the offense and stop allowing defenses later on in the season to take him away.

Okay, you know what? Well, they're covering digs. Whatever they're doing, they man to man. They roll to cover his way. Let's find ways to get in the ball, to keep the ball moving, keep the chains moving, not just let him fall by the wayside.

Then you throw him an important ball when it matters the most at times. And then that lapse in focus because you hadn't been touching it so long. Oh, shit. Sometimes you don't make the play that he should. You know why? Because I've got damn fucking cold and I've been running a goddamn track meet marathon for goddamn three quarters.

Like, come on, man. I mean, there's so many. And it's so easy to do. It's so easy to do because for some reason, it seems other teams have figured out, have figured a way get their best best players of all throughout the entirety of the season and not allowing and not allowing team to dictate what they want to do offensively stefan diggs ain't gonna matter of fact if stefan diggs leave i beat his ass that's how i feel because he needs that he needs a call he needs to make sure for one with josh allen and for one with management, upstairs and downstairs, that everything is okay, that we

all on the same page. Well, if he stopped tweeting... Now, that tweet ain't... That tweet got to do with fashion. It got to do what? Read the tweet again. Read what the tweet said. Ready for whatever. Yeah, he talked about his next outfit. Man, stop. I'm telling

you, I know Steph. Like, he got his style from me. Yeah, so that's something I used to say back in,

like in 92. That's song lyrics. I know you meant Stephon Diggs had over 1,100 yards. He didn't have 11,000, so I get it.

My bad, man. I mean, 1183, my bad, my bad. I got excited. You know, anytime I'm talking about receivers, you know So my bad, man. I mean, 11, 11, 83, my bad, my bad. I had got excited. You know, anytime I'm talking about receivers,

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This is what I know about receivers, especially guys that are wired like him. Yeah. I'm going to keep the ball out of his hands early so he'll get frustrated. And then when they throw it to him late, he's going to have a lapse in concentration and drop it. Okay.

Yeah. That's all I'm doing. It's the same thing with the same blueprint they did with T.O. Yeah. What did they do to T.O. early? Double it. Yeah. Let him get frustrated. This is the funny

thing. I think teams know that. Offensive coordinators know that. Head coaches know that. As the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, as the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills, what do you want to do? You want Steph to touch the ball early. It don't even

have to be nothing crazy. Throw him a goddamn smoke route. Let him touch the ball. Let him feel the ball. You as a tight end know how it feels when you touch that ball early. You are locked in for the entirety of the game. Because you feel like you were part of the game plan. I did. I wanted the ball.

I'm not fitting a lie and say I didn't, but this is what I did. I wanted the ball. I'm not fitting a lie and say I didn't. But this is what I realized. I didn't get paid by the catch. Just like I don't get paid by the word when I'm on television. People are like, man, you don't even speak that much on Undisputed. They don't pay me for the word. I get paid a day rate. So if I don't say before words, I got the same day rate if I talk for an hour straight.

So the way I look at it, Ocho, you want to throw me the ball? I'm going to increase your chances of winning. But if you don't, but guess what, Ocho? Hey, we should have got you a ball. When they used to say, man, hey, 84, we got to get you more involved early. I ain't say, yeah, you're right. I kept walking. Nine

at a time. Because the game's over. You're telling me that as opposed to you doing that in the time that it's over and see this is a game they also play chat stay with me real quick this is a game also teams that play when it comes time to make business decisions now what they'll do now if you look at stefan digs numbers and targets throughout the entirety of his career again he had a good year last year a good year not to the terms in which I see him, because I still see him as top three, top five,

no matter what anybody says, regardless of what the young fellas are doing right now in the NFL, because they allow a team to take him away. Now, what are they going to do? I'm going to tell you the games they're going to play. They're going to have a season, right? They're going to have a season this year,

and I'm hoping things turn around for them offensively, where they don't allow a team to dictate, because you know what they're going to play. They're going to have a season, right? They're going to have a season this year. And I'm hoping things turn around for them offensively where they don't allow a team to dictate because you know what they're going to do? They're going to come to them at the end of the season where you know what? Based on what you're making

and your stats, it don't line up together. You see what I'm talking about? Your production and what you command as far as your salary is concerned, you know what? It don't go hand in hand. That's the game they like to play.

You know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, for sure. Sometimes, Ocho, they'll come to you when you had a great year. Ask Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen said, I just had my greatest year ever. We're talking about this. You're talking about take a pay cut. So if I have a great year, you say take a pay cut. If I have a great year, you say take a pay cut.

If I have a bad year, you say take a pay cut. Shit, yeah. No. But it's, again, listen, it's the business thing. That's what I, if I keep that, that's what I would throw in the charges. But again, it's the business side of things that I do not like. Again, Steph,

I know you're going to see this. I need you to call management. I need you to call Josh Allen. If you want to do a three-way, you want to do a see this i need you to call management i need you to call josh allen if you want to do a three-way you want to do a three-way you get me on the call i want to make sure things okay i know what you could do they know what you do the rest of the world know what you can do we shouldn't even be having discussions like this anyway whether you're going to be there or not you give them their best chance in the regular season and in the postseason. If the goddamn organization, if the Buffalo Bills organization is serious with a small window of opportunity that they do have about not only getting to the postseason, but winning the goddamn Lombardi, you have to be part of that. Now, you let me know, because if I need to come down to the Buffalo Bills. But Ocho, he got to start with the cryptic tweets, though.

But that ain't got, it's not football season. Okay. It's not football season. But you know what? I noticed teams that win. Let me ask you a question. His love life, they could have just broke up. So I'm just asking, teams that win, do you see this in the offseason?

See what? So now the man can't tweet what he want to in the offseason? He can tweet whatever he want to. Yeah, but this is – I mean, but every year you make excuses. I remember when they first lost to Buffalo, he's sitting on the field. Every year, when Philadelphia beat them in the playoff to go to the thing, he's sitting on the field.

He wanted to soak it in. Buffalo, when Kansas City beat them, he's sitting there soaking on the field. They beat him again. He stared up at the stars. He's doing all of this except when they throw his ass the ball late in the ball game and he drop it. Okay. I mean, he didn't come up one play. He's human.

He's human. He's due to make mistakes as we all are. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what you said. You keep telling me he top five. He's not. He's due to make mistakes, as we all are. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what you're saying. You keep telling me he top five. He's not top five anymore. Maybe he'll top five receiver. You got the amount of money. He'll top five receiver right now.

Yep, yep. Okay, you're taking him over. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's do it. Don't call out no names. CD, you're taking him over, CD. Wait, wait, wait. Can I say something? Can I say something?

Can I say something? Yes. Can I say something, please, real something? Can I say something? Yes. Can I say something, please, real quick? Before you even start, before you name all the young bulls, before you name all the young bulls. He's top five. You said he's top five. Let me finish.

Okay. My top five still, and then you can pick whoever you want, is still Devontae Adams still number one, Stephon Diggs, and then goddamn Keenan Allen, and then everybody else comes along. This is what I don't like. Wait, let me finish, y'all. I'm going to everybody else comes along this is what I don't like wait let me finish I'm going to let you go this is what I don't like when things don't go well for the ones

who are already in place statistically when things don't go well for them all of a sudden all the young bulls just overlap them automatically when the teams that they're on aren't using them right whether it be the quarterback situation whether it be teams allowing them to dictate what we

want to do, what some of our best players and our offensive weapons. So, to me, to me, you're basing everything off statistics, and I know what them boys can still do. Well, how the hell am I supposed to base it on? Tell me what I'm supposed to base a receiver play on. I'm telling you

why it's like that. Chase, CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson, them motherfuckers is all goddamn world. They are the motherfucking shit. So you taking Stefan Diggs over them? Based on his body of work throughout all the years. This ain't no body of work. This will update your resume.

This is a year-to-year thing. Wait a minute. It's a year-to-year thing? You acting like he has some shitty goddamn season or something. Did he have a better year than Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, C.D. Lamb, Jamar Chase, Mike Evans? It's a simple yes or no. You know, my answer's not changed in regards to what...

I don't care if your answer changes. Okay. All I'm asking you is that you talk about body of work. This is not when he's going into the Hall of Fame. This is about the 2020... I'm not talking about Hall of Fame. I is not when he's going into the Hall of Fame. This is about the 2020. I'm not talking about Hall of Fame. I'm just talking about for me, for me, I'm thinking about the body of work that he's done from start to finish.

Now, I know players might have had a better. Start to finish to what? Okay, we started from this year, from 2023 to the end of 2023. We're not talking about 21. We're not talking about 22. Why are you? Are you? Do you see what you're doing? You see what you're doing?

You're saying statistically because he didn't have a good season like some of the others you just named, that means he's not in the top five no more. That's not... That's how it works! You know, companies might have, in 2023, you might have five companies that were on the Fortune 500.

Okay, they drop off. You can't say, well, they was on the Fortune 500 in 2019, 2020. I'll give you another example. On the world's richest, people that was in the world's richest, the top five richest people in 2022, they might not be that in 23. They might not be. But you can't say because of their body of work, they get to stay there, Ocho. You see how we just talked

about how a team will allow offense to take away your best threat and your best offensive weapon? Then we get into conversations like this, and you don't think that weapon is still elite anymore because their numbers aren't like somebody else that was force-fed the ball and had a better

season oh like that man oh you see what i'm saying i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't like that now everybody you name it hey i can break down offense on them because them them boys are legit i just don't like the fact that okay you know what these young bulls have had a better season than stephan digs now all of a sudden he drops out of the goddamn top five because he didn't have a good season. That's how it works. No, it's not how it works. That's not how it works. I'm confused. I have a question. So, everybody you just named is better than Devontae Adams? Devontae Adams don't get the hold on. Everybody that you just named is better than Devontae Adams? In 2023, they were, yes. Everybody that you just named is better than Devontae Adams.

In 2023, they were, yes. Man, shit. Man, you tripping. The numbers speak for it. You tripping. So you think everybody that you just named is better than Devontae Adams because their numbers say it? I'm saying based on 2023, this is an update your resume. This is not a lifetime achievement.

Let's be realistic. Let's put the numbers aside Everyone you just named Do you really think they're better than Devontae Emmanuel Adams That plays for the Las Vegas Raiders You could say Samuel Adams You could say Adam and Eve You could say Devontae Adams

Based on 2023 stats Those guys had better seasons Ocho I love you to deathcho. Devontae. Ocho. I love you to death. I love Devontae. But ain't nobody better than Devontae Adams.

Ain't nobody better than Devontae Adams. Ocho, you don't get to hold on to that ranking just because you've had great seasons. That's the one thing that we love about sports. It's an update your resume. This is so unfair. This is so unfair. By the rules you have to play and understand and...

Stay with me now. And Devontae's middle name is LaVell. I know. I made that shit up. I just made that shit up when I was a boy. Hey, but listen. Why you laughing? I just made that shit up. Hey, but listen. Why are you laughing? I just made that shit up. Hey, but listen.

Who was Tay Adams over there in Las Vegas? Who was his quarterback? Oh, man. He had Jimmy Garoppolo. Keep going. He had Jimmy Garoppolo. He had Aiden O'Connell, I think. I think that was his last quarterback.

You know, this is why I hate ranking players. Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs, Mike Evans, C.D. Lamb. Stay with me a little bit, baby. Stay with me real quick. I'm just... Tyreek.

Oh, listen, Tyreek is in a class of his own. Tyreek is in a class of... own. Tyreek is in a class. I know I said Devante. Listen, you know how much I love Devante. Goddamn motherfucker brought me to tears watching his routes. Tyreek is a class of his own. But all those dudes are worthy of being within the top five. That's why I hate I hate when we use stats because you have to. Yes. The game because we're in. But i look at it from a skill point and understanding what they can do on the field now some of the things that they're not in control of is how many times

they get the ball the targets the receptions the touchdown but i know what they can do from a from a standpoint of being that i play the game of receiver and i know they still got it and there's some things that are out of their hands and out of their control. That's why I'm so passionate when it comes to talking about them boys. Yeah. I get what you're saying, though. I'm not saying that Devontae Adams dropped off a cliff, but I'm just saying. No, no, no.

But you got to go by what we see. We don't get to say. Yeah. We don't get to say, well, this guy's a top five back, even though they got, they got 12, they got 10 guys that rushed for more yards,

had a better yard per carry. But I remember two years ago the dude ran for 12,000 yards. No, we can't do that. That's the only thing, that's the, that's the numbers game that we have.

That's the only thing we can evaluate it on. Right. But I just, and I just, I dive a little bit deeper. I dive it on. I dive a little bit deeper. I like to dive a little bit deeper into understanding what these

individuals can still do and because of things offensively, because most of everything is out of their control. Everything is out of their control. Well, you play a dependent position. The wide receiver is a dependent position. Exactly. It frustrates me when we have topics or we have conversations like this.

And I have to find ways to around the stats to tell you why they are still who they are, because they are so reliant on everybody else. But you remember, I hate that. This is where I'm going to push back. You remember when D-Hop had seven, eight quarterbacks and he was still a first team all pro. It didn't matter. They were feeding him. They were feeding him, too. He go get it. Go ahead, D-Hop. We're eating. It didn't matter. Well, hey, listen, listen, sister, sister, Rosa Mary could have been a quarterback when D-Hop was in Houston. He was going to eat. He getting open with everything. Right. Animal. But do you see what they did? Yeah.

They kept feeding the rock. They didn't allow anybody to dictate whether he can get the ball or not. They moved him around. Well, you got to have that, Ocho. But I think sometimes, like, as a wide receiver, man, you get so frustrated. You're running like, I can imagine Devontae

running a crisp-ass route and the ball ain't nobody looking his side or they done sailed it out of bounds. They done skipped it in the dirt. Man, do you know how frustrating it is? Because it's already hard to beat a guy. Now I win clean. Yeah. And you know what?

I could sense his frustration throughout the season. I could sense his body language throughout the season, but he can't say nothing because he got that C on his chest. Yes, yes. He got that C on his chest. He knows there's more expected and demanded of him, and I love the way he conducts himself. Yeah.

I mean, you're going to have some frustration like, damn. You know, you're going to have some of that. Right. But if you just watch him, every route is run with the same tenacity he's still trying he's still trying to fight from scratch for yards run after the catch yeah but i just think that i just think that what did davante finish up with this year because i mean you look at what he started with jimmy g and then he had aiden o'connell the brian whore you even

take any did somebody take some time? Or was it just him? Just O'Connell and Jalen Gee. So what did Devontae end up with? He ended up with 1,000? 11-44. Man, you know, 11-44, Devontae said, man, I'm supposed to have that with 10 games.

Yeah, easily. Yes! Easily. Even his first year there, when he signed that big contract. Now, we know what he did with Aaron Rodgers. That goes without saying. I mean, he was a 14, 16 touchdown game.

14, 16. Yeah, yeah. He was getting out of bed, but that's the difference. When you get out of bed, and you already know, get off the bus, Ocho. I got 12 targets. Easy.

Now, y'all mess around, I get 17 targets thrown my way. But I already know I'm getting off the bus. I'm bringing my bag. I got 12 targets coming my way. I don't give a damn what y'all do. Right. Y'all mess around and blow a couple of coverages, I got 17 coming my way. Yeah.

And I get what you're saying. I understand because the wide receiver is a dependent position i don't care how great you are now it helps but if the guy can't get you the ball consistently what are we doing here and then so that takes me right back though now this takes me right back chat y'all stay with me chat this takes me back to the stephan digg conversation right yeah and in the lapses in production throughout a number of games first five weeks honey yards honey yards honey yards honey yards honey yards yep yep the rest of that what do they what do they do offensively in buffalo

allow team to dictate you know what we taking 14 out the game we don't care y'all gonna have to beat us with gabe davis y'all gonna have to beat us with Gabe Davis. Y'all gonna have to beat us with the running back. Y'all gonna have to beat us with the tight end. They allow teams to dictate whether he can and can't get the ball. When DeHoff was using, you know what the Texans said? Hell, you don't. We don't give a fuck what you do. We gonna find a way

to move around and make sure because he is our best offensive weapon, and we're gonna utilize him in every way we can. Why can't they do that in Buffalo? Because then when you don't, then we have conversations like this. Then you have Diggs upset, frustrated on the sideline because we come and have conversations like this in the offseason and think that he's falling off or he's not in the top five when some of the things are out of his control.

True. True. I mean, but he played. God damn, I like this conversation. True. True. I mean, but he played... God damn, I like this conversation. Shit. Okay. Our poll right now,

best receiver in the league right now, Tyree got 56%. Justin Jefferson got 23%. Devontae got 18%. Stephon Diggs got 3%. Right. How the hell you left off

Jabbar Chase? Yeah, how you left off Chase? But listen, this is... We only got four optional choices. Okay, okay. This is the thing. This is the thing when it comes to football fans. Okay.

Or I'm not going to say the casual fan because I'm sure everybody in the chat is really a football fan and been watching the game for years. But anytime something new comes along, anytime something new comes along, new pretty little shiny toy, oh, that's my favorite now. Oh, that's

my favorite. What I never forget, and I will never forget, again, you told me not to lean on this because you have to update your resume. I will never forget the body of work with some of these individuals that are a little bit older have done in the NFL, which is why I always name Keenan, Stephon Diggs, and Devontae first.

And then I talk about the young bulls that's cutting up now. When I speak on Tyreek, Tyreek is in his own fucking class. You know, you've heard me say it before. He's a fucking alien. He's not human. He's in his own class and going to continue to break records.

He's going to continue to break records as long as he's with the Dolphins and he has two ads as quarterback. But I would just remember and what's he called? If you remember Devontae had 50 yards with Derek Carr. with the Dolphins and he has two ads as quarterback. But I would just remember, and what's he called? If you remember, uh, uh, Devante had 1500 yards with Derek Carr.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, and I get it. I don't really let car walk. Like what are we doing? Well,

you don't love somebody, you know what I'm saying? I mean, nobody really embraced car. I mean, you look at a John Gruden, he was constantly yelling and snarling at him. And you know Josh McDaniels,

he coaches hard because he thinks everybody's Peyton Manning, you can coach everybody. Does coaching understand? Right. It requires you to evolve the way you coach each individual player. You can't blanket statement yelling at everybody.

Some guys you got to give a pep talk, some guys you can yell at, some guys you got to be funny with, facetious with. Some guys, you got to give a pep talk. Some guys, you can yell at. Some guys, you got to be funny with, facetious with. I mean, that's the part of coaching. But everybody just, well, if I coach Tom Brady like this, because he's not Tom Brady. Everybody's not wired the same. But everybody wants, and they keep saying,

I coach everybody the same. No. Yeah. I mean, that's what makes some of the greatest coaches that are in the NFL, understanding your player, being self-aware on how to coach each player, and you can't coach them all the same. You can't talk to them all the same. Some players, you say certain shit, they'll cut your ass out.

For sure. I'm a grown goddamn man. Who's talking to me like that? Swing on your ass. Yeah. So, I mean, listen, as a coach, it's all about being self-aware, understanding who you can, who you can talk to like that. And you say the wrong thing. Sometimes they shut down. You say the right, look, this the era, this the golden era. I mean, look, the league is different now,

but it's the golden era of the receiver and the quarterback. Most definitely. Damn, I like that combo, man. That was good. Shit. Hey, whatever happened to your boy Chase Claypool? You remember you said he was going to be different when he was in Miami. I fucking love Chase.

I fucking love Chase. Chase reminds me like a Brandon Barnes. You talking about a Chase Lounge? Huh? A Chase Lounge? No, I'm talking about Chase Claypool from Pittsburgh. But listen, it's all about opportunities. Getting the opportunity to be able to showcase what you can do. You know, the situation has been

unfortunate. It was unfortunate, obviously, with the Bears. It was unfortunate with the Steelers. Down in Miami, listen, you know what they got in Miami. They ain't got no slouches now. They ain't got no slouches. So, he has to find a way to fit in when he gets his opportunities to make the most of them. He's still there, right?

He's still there, right? I guess. But that's the thing, though, Ocho. Listen, when you start out, especially like you starting out, you're not a high draft pick. Right, right, right. You're not going to get those opportunities. But when the opportunities come, you got to catch them.

Yeah, you got to make it. Because you the odd man out already to begin with. He dropped down. Hey, let's go back to Tyreek. Let's go back to Waddle. Let's go back to the other guys. Now, you really ain't going to be you out there just getting cardio in. You out there just practicing on your route running. They're not going to give you

no routes. Yeah. And you know what? It all started in practice. It all started in practice. I'm not sure. I'm sure people are going to see this. NFL players be watching the show because they

be hitting the line talking to me. Oh, I want to get more time. I can do this. I can do that. You know where it started? It started in practice. It started in practice

and cutting a fool and practicing and always being open 24-7. Now, I in the sky ain't going to lie because when coaches watch film and they see you

on film, well, hell, this is somebody we can count on. Your number one quarterback sees this, listen, we need to find a way to get him to rock because I can count on him in certain situations. I don't know, man. I like this shit. We can talk about this the next two hours. Come on.

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When a team asks you to restructure a deal after you've been with them for so long, what are the emotions that go through your head and do you need to push those out and then make a business decision? Yeah, there really was no emotion. It was, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Came off my best season,

so it's not happening. Short and sweet. I ain't need to say nothing else. Man, stop trying me. Don't play with my time. What you mean you want me to take a pay cut and I just had my best season? Best season? For who? No, I don't do that. They always talk about loyalty. Nah, I mean,

child, please. Hey, Keenanenan I know you're going to see this but I'm standing with you too boy you one of the best rock runners they ever got damn lace them up man boy you ever seen Keenan Allen run routes oh yeah for sure absolutely you talk about somebody can put them up and put them down

he'll take you left and bring you back right well that's the fun huh when they say loyalty Ocho you know what I tell them I'm the most loyal person money could buy I don't know what y'all talking about listen you know my favorite phrase

loyalty is nothing but a word in the dictionary between opportunity and convenience that's it that's all it is and I know we on the football topic. Fellas, ladies that go for y'all too. Fellas understand women always screaming that loyal. Oh, I'm so loyal.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As long as there's an opportunity and the opportunity is convenient, who the fuck ain't going to be loyal? But anyway, back to goddamn football. Hey, San Diego Chargers, LA Chargers, don't ever try to do nothing like that. You already lost Mike Williams. You lost Mike Williams.

You let him go. Now you're telling your best route runner that just had his best season statistically to take a goddamn pay cut. Shouldn't me. Yeah, they lying.

All right, Jim Harbaugh. Wait, is it Jim? Jim. Jonathan of Baltimore. Okay, yeah it Jim? Jim. Jonathan Baltimore. Okay, yeah, Jim. Jim, don't play at my dog like that. Shoot, that was Jim's call, too. Jim run the show.

Are you for sure? Yeah, Jim run the show, man. A lot of them guys had to take pay cuts. I think Khalil Mack had to take a pay cut to stay. I think Joey Bosa had to take a pay cut to stay. They said, yeah, they did. Hey, you know what I think they did? They think they slicked.

They probably didn't take no pay cut. You know what they did? They took some of the money on the back end and pushed it up forward and put it into a signing bonus. So they probably didn't really restructure nothing. Well, hey, don't worry about it. Ask the 49ers about tinkering with the books and don't have it right. You lose draft picks.

You better have, because when the NFL come in there, Keenan Allen had 150 targets. He had 108 catches, 1,243 yards, seven touchdowns. So this was one of his best seasons. He had a career high in catches, the second most receiving yards of his career, and the second most touchdowns of his career. So when he says statistically he had

his best season with the exception of uh yards and and touchdowns he did he had the most casual of his career the second most yards second most touchdowns so i can understand why him not wanting to take a pay cut because i can see you know what what, if I play, if I, you know, call 70 balls, okay, you know what I'm making 13, 14 mil. I can see that. I don't mean I have to, but I have to weigh the landscape. Oh, Joe, if I take a pay cut for what they're giving, if they say, okay, 14 of the little steep for our blood, we can do somewhere around 10. We'll give give an opportunity

to make make it around 11 make it around 12 but we need to knock some money out there now i gotta weigh the landscape is there somewhere else i can go to re to get this right yeah well he found it yeah he found it if this you know what i would do i wish for god if chicago bears anybody in the bears organization if you you see this, I'd pay money when it comes to training camp. I'd pay money to see the one-on-ones with Jalen Johnson and Keenan Allen. I'd pay money for that, man.

You remember the and-one mixtapes? There are two people. Is it Hassos, the one that had the crossover? There are two receivers in the history of the NFL that run their routes and get off the line

like they play in basketball. Stevie Johnson and Keenan Allen. And I ain't never seen nobody else do it like that. The exact same movement like they're doing a crossover and will route your ass up

and still get open within the timing of the offense. That shit is a sight to see, man. Jesus Christ. You put Keenan in that slot and now he got a two-way go. You know he's going to start you on that drive.

Sit down and come back out. Or he's going to whip you. He's going to start out and then come back in. He he going to hop. Yeah. Hit you with that handsy. Yeah. He nice with it.

He nice with it. Congrats to Keenan. Back to Devontae. And people say, well, Devontae left a Hall of Fame quarterback in Aaron Rodgers. And he looked at Jordan Love, look what Jordan Love became. But you do understand, he's making $27, $28 million a year.

$27 million now in Green Bay. I don't know what the state tax, is that state tax in Wisconsin? Because now there ain't no state taxes in Vegas. So that's 6% to 12%. So that's somewhere now he's putting a pocket in $2.5 million 3 billion dollars in his pocket

that would have been going to the state for taxes so over the life of that contract he gonna hold on to 15 million I like that I like it too I'm thinking about getting up out of here I'm packing my bags as we speak Ash give me the evil eye.

Where are you going to go? You're going to move? You talk about you just going to Vegas. Yeah, man. I got to go. I think I'm going to get up out of here. 14% state taxes. I got to, hey.

Wait, wait. If you worry about not paying state tax, you might as well come down here to Florida. No, I ain't going down to Florida. Why would you go to Vegas when you can come to Miami? I need to be close to Cali why wasn't Cali oh you got oh I know

what you mean you got something Cali huh no but you do realize like club she she and shooting gas is easy for me to just jump on a plane and get 35 minute flight okay my bad I thought you was talking about a woman my bad hey listen I know somebody because I mean I bet you

you've been you've been blessed lately. He in the 7% bracket. He in the 7% bracket. So 10% would have been 2.7. You're making $27 million. He is 7%. So he's probably pocketing

2.7. So half of that is 1.35 plus 2 so he's probably pocketing 1.5 million 1.7 million you can live

with that man just think about that somebody will cut you so that's basically at the end of the year Ochoa this hair here's the extra 1.7 million

to what you made I like it when you put it like that, you're like, damn. Yeah. You're like, damn. When you put it like that, everything comes full circle and it makes sense. It makes sense. Matter of fact, hey.

You know how many diamonds I can buy with that thing, Ocho? With extra 1.7? Now you're talking. Now you're talking. Hey, anybody in the chat? Ocho, you know what happened? I turned... Pop that... Hmm?

Oh, dude. Hey, where's Jalen Johnson from? You know where Jalen Johnson from? Chat, anybody know where Jalen Johnson from? I don't. Yeah. Hey, chat, y'all send Jalen Johnson a message for me on, on, on Twitter. Tell him when it's,

when he ready to get some work in. Oh, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a show him how to earn that paycheck before the season even started. I mean, even cover me.

Oh, Joe, but here's the thing. This is what, this is why this is where I like him. That's my little, my little nephew too. Oh,

Johnson. Yeah. That's my dog. Yeah. Little Jalen. Shit. I raised him. I raised him.

I used to babysit him,. I used to babysit him, but I used to babysit him. Well, damn, you should know where he from then. Nah, I didn't. He moved. He just got paid. You know he ain't

in the same place no more. Oh, okay. My bad. The problem that I have with teams, Ocho, is that when I want to come in and renegotiate my deal, you say, well,

you signed the contract. But when they go on here and take me to pay cut, when they want me to take a pay cut or release me, I ain't signed no contract. Well, damn, my name on that contract that you said I couldn't renegotiate up, but you can. Right, yeah. That's my only thing.

I ain't never held out for no more money. Well, I mean, when I held out in 92, I didn't have a contract. And they. Well, I mean, when I held out in 92, I didn't have a contract. And they offered me, I mean, I was making, I went made from 60, I mean, 74. They offered me 125. I was like, damn, that's still, that's like 50 plus thousand more than what I made.

My agent was like, nah, we can get more. Went to 200. Nah, we can get more. I was like, I don't know, man. Damn, 200,000, bro. He's like, nah. Then with the $225,000, it's like, hey, I think we can squeeze another.

I think we can squeeze another $50,000 to $75,000. I said, later for you, man. I showed up to camp with no contract. You showed up anyway? I showed up anyway, man. Hey, I need that money. Yeah. I haven't got that call.

I had one on the way. Right. Another one coming. I got to get that. What's that junk you talking? You ain't got time to play now. Hell no. Not when you get that phone call.

Mm-mm. Yeah, you ain't got time. Hell to the no. Oh, shit. Ocho, Kenny Pickett says he's confident in the way he handled the Russell Wilson situation. Let's take a listen to what Kenny had to say. Yeah, I think the communication, you know, is what it is.

It was behind closed doors. You know, I'm confident in the way that I handled it. I handled it the way I should have handled it. You know, I'm excited to be here. It worked out so well that Philly was the place I ended up landing in. I think everything happens for a reason. I'm right where I'm supposed to be.

Okay. Ocho, what do you think about that situation? For me, if I was a quarterback, I like Kenny Pickett. I like Kenny Pickett. I had an opportunity to meet him at a Madden event I was doing where all the rookies were getting their rookie ratings. And he was cool as hell, man. Cool as hell.

You rated him too high. Whatever you gave him, it was too high. Nah, listen, I ain't finna disrespect Mr. Pickett like that. But I hate that things didn't work out. I hate that things didn't work out i hate that things didn't work out but obviously with big ben leaving and you already know those are big shoes to feel as far as consistency is concerned a super bowl winning quarterback and if you're drafting someone as a successor to goddamn big ben you're expecting him to pick up what big ben left off and it just

didn't pan out the way it should have, especially from an offensive perspective. The identity went from it being their offense, as it once was, where the identity went flip back to the defense. And until they get the quarterback situation figured out, this Pittsburgh Steelers will be back to, I don't know the word to use, because their identity had been their offense for so long with Le'Veon and Taylor.

Yeah, they changed. They were no longer a defensive team. They were a Ben-led team. You know, when they had Ben and A.B. and a lot of those other wide receivers, you know, they had Emmanuel Sanders. They had Martavius Bryant. They had Mike.

What was Mike? Mike Wallace. You know, you could see the transition starting to happen. They had become more relied on Ben throwing this football around, and the defense had kind of taken a step back because a lot of their money was on that side of the football. But I think now Mike Tomlin wants to get back to what they were when they won that Super Bowl,

although they had started to transition then. Right. The first Super Bowl, there were defense they still could get after you, but when they went back and lost to Green Bay, you could start to see the little shift as far

as from a defense to an offensive-based team. And then after that, it was all offense. Ben was spreading the ball around, throwing 4,000, 5,000 yards routinely. A.B. leading the league in catches up there in yards. So we could see where they were, but I think they want to get back to running the football,

playing to their strength, which is their defense. You know, you got T.J. Watt, you got Highsmith. Patrick Quinn now. You got Patrick Quinn. You got Minka Fitzpatrick. You got Joey Porter Jr. on one side. I like him. I like him. Matter of fact, anybody know Joey

Porter Jr., let him know I want that work with his ass too in the offseason. Don't run and I'm going to do it like I used to do your daddy. Oh, Lord have mercy. Hey, why you used to fuck Joey Port up, huh? Yeah. I believe you. Yeah. No bullshit, bro. Come out there with your

roll up. I don't know if you've seen this. I didn't see it, so whatever it is, I'm excited. Fans roast Texans' new uniforms. Houston, Texas showed off their new roll uniforms after Reddit leaked. And Cal McNair confirmed the team's new away look after a photo leaked online. NFL fans roasted the new threads. How much do players actually care about the uniform aesthetics?

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I think players care a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Because the uniform is uniform. Skilled players care a lot. Offensive linemen don't give a damn.

Yeah, yeah. Offensive linemen, they can care less. But if they were... Let me see. If I think about offensive linemen that would care about the uniform, I can give you three. Aaron Donald cares about his uniform. That's a D-line one.

Yeah. Okay. I'm just saying. Big boy. Okay. Okay. Hey, Trent Williams

cares about his uniform and what's the D-tackle from the Patriots? Be dressing his motherfucking ass off. He wearing number 92. Oh, go child. Yeah.

He cares about his uniform. You can tell by the way they dress. Not off the field. I'm talking about on the field. Off the field, all of them, I mean, A.D., Red Threads, Big Trent, E.B. Hill, B. Down, Godchild, I think that's how you say his name. He's at fashion shows in Paris and Milan, yeah. And them boys don't play. But I think the field position cares the most.

Quarterback, I don't think quarterback give a damn. But the running backs and the receivers are the worst. They really care about the uniform. So whatever uniform we do have, they will find a way to look the best they can with their own swag or drip, as we call it. Well, yeah. Yeah, I think quarterbacks, for the most part,

they built bad anyway, so anything will look terrible. Anything will look terrible on them, so it is what it is. Yeah, but obviously the wide receivers and the running backs, the DBs,

linebacks. DBs really kill. Yeah. You look good, you play good. Because, you know, we used to come out there in pregame, have our socks rolled down. You know, we all greased up. You know what I'm saying?

You know, yeah, you would have did the push-ups. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. And so, you know, I have everything. Because back, you know, I need my money back because all that money that y'all find me and A.G., Aaron Glenn, he and I was like every week, hey, A.G., man, they got you. Yeah, Sharp, they got me too.

Five thousand. You play with A.G.? Yeah, A.G. was, yeah. I'm older than A.G., but he was in the league when I played. Yes. Yeah, A.G. covered me when he was with the Jets or with Houston. I think maybe either with Houston or with the Jets. I went against yes. Yeah, I, I, A.G. covered me when he, when he was, uh, with the Jets or with Houston. I think maybe either with Houston or with the Jets. I went against A.G. a few times. Yeah, and so,

uh, you know, anytime Ocho, they tackle you. They expect me like, oh, man, my sock down, pull my sock up. Man, stop. I played a football game. I ain't got time to be brushing dirt off me and pulling those socks up and tucking my jersey in. You know, the NFL will fine you for that. You know that, right?

Oh, so you know. Oh, yeah, they got me like that multiple times. Remember when I played now? You remember we had to have black and white shoes. The basic shoe had to be black with the white lining. Here go my retarded ass. I had orange shoes. Don't say the retarded word. Just say it a little slow. Okay, okay. My bad. my retarded ass i had don't say the retarded word just say a little slow okay okay i wasn't my bad god forgive me if i find anybody in the chat i apologize okay as slow as i was i didn't follow the rules you know i had on orange cleats i had on gold cleats the maximum the maximum grill at the time i just took the fine i ain't even care matter of fact one of the reasons this is funny

you probably don't know chat y'all probably don't know about this. I had I had been getting fined so much to a point when I got to about year six. This is how Roger Goodell and I became so close. If I knew I was doing something, if I knew I was wearing the orange strap, I knew I was wearing the black strap. As you can see, I would send the fine money in. I would beat the NFL to the punch before they could send the fine, before they could send that fine letter on Monday. The check had already been sent out throughout the week. To Park Avenue.

Yeah, I had already paid the fine, so there was no need to take it out of my check. And I think that pissed them all so much that I would pay the fine ahead of time because I knew, listen, I'm going to do something. I don't know what to do, but I'm going to send you this money a little early just in case so you don't have to waste your time sending no FedEx

to Paul Brown Stadium. Yeah, I had my last couple of years. Well, you can only have two colors. So you could have, like, I could have purple and black or I could have orange and blue, but that means, or orange and white. So I had, you could, you couldn't have three colors on your cleats. So I had to take the tongue of my cleat

because the tongue was red, was orange when I was in Denver. And it was, I think it was like white. And you couldn't have lettering. You couldn't have, like I had big plates. I'm like, come on, man. Who looking down there in the head? But you know, they got uniformed police out there.

You remember who your uniformed police was? Hey, David Fulcher was mine. Remember David Fulcher? I do know Fulcher. Y'all play to get Fulcher. Well, you know how many fines I got? Because Fulcher, he had to write it down. Yes.

And they see me wearing a stream of towel, wearing that long-ass stream I had on me. I was wearing this and the orange cleats. You know, sometimes, depending on what our uniform was, And they see me wearing a stream of towel, wearing that long-ass stream I had nothing to wear. This is an orange cleats. You know, sometimes, depending on what our uniform was, I'd change my chin strap to orange. Yeah. Wearing black.

They won't let you do that. Because I remember I used to have a blue chin strap. And if you go back and look, my helmet is never, my helmet, like two of my chin straps, I mean, the buck, the snaps are flabby. Hey, I always kept the right one loose. I kept both of mine loose. Oh, man, it was some days, man.

David Fulcher cost me a lot of money, man. Yeah, and no mouthpiece. I didn't wear a mouthpiece. Oh, hey, listen, I ain't wear no mouthpiece either because I can't talk. That's what I'm saying. All that, you done had your hand in the dirt. You done snapped somebody upside the head and the ass. Good job, Pantleboat ass. I'm going to take the mouthpiece out of my mouth.

I wish I might because I got something to say. I need to say it right then. I ain't got time to take no mouthpiece out. Sorry, mofo. All right, Sharp. I ain't going to beat you with no more mofos. I said, well, you that one. I don't need you to be another one, but you that one.

Boy, them was some fun days. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know if they be another one, but you're that one. Boy, they were some fun days. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know if they let them talk like we used to talk. You think so? No. You mean did anybody talk the way we talked back then? Yeah. Oh, hell no. Hell no.

Oh, absolutely not. We have some entertaining figures. We don't have an outgoing personality the way you and i were i'm talking about outgoing leading up to the game in the game and and understanding the pressure that comes with what you say and everybody gunning for you they trying to hurt you they trying to kill you trying to knock your head off or do you still go out there and produce at the same time we don't we don't have like that we have some good some good dudes that are really really good at their craft they just don't have that dynamic personality to go with it now if they if they were to add that sauce and that

person that's their game oh my goodness they won't they won't let you they won't they're not gonna let you they're not gonna let you play like that don't you man listen, during this time, in this social media area, if you add that dynamic personality to it, oh my goodness. Boy, it'd be crazy. They're not, Ocho, they're not going to let you play because back then, you know, you say some

guys really try to take your head off. So, it was about, you know, I'm saying, even if you weren't getting the ball, Ocho, you know back then, when you didn't getting the ball Ocho you know back then when you didn't get the ball you didn't have to get the ball guys will buzz by you and Peter you don't and let you know yes

and they will let you know yeah yes but now they done took the intimidation to talk part of it so I don't really know how much they talk anymore but it's a it's a different game, but the guys are playing at an extremely high level.

I still love watching them play. I don't care what, if they hit or not hit. It is what it is. So you got to play with the rules that governs you at the time in which you play. So we had the rules that we had.

I'm sure the people in the 70s say, man, y'all don't even play football no more. And then people in the 50s and 60s said the same thing about the guys in the 70s and the 80s. And then people in the 50s and 60s said the same thing about the guys in the 70s and 80s. And the guys in the 80s and 90s said the same thing about the guys in the 2000s and beyond. So it is what it is.

Yeah, the game is changing. And you know it's funny, you know, the fact that, you know, I work inside the NFL. So when you speak about the talking, they still talk. They do, because I get to hear all the wired up stuff. Okay, yeah. It ain't the same, though. They do talk. That goddamn Matt Crosby.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I met him at the bowl. I met him at the Super Bowl this year. I like him. Yeah, I like him a lot. Yeah, I like him a lot. He kind of reminds... I don't know if you played against him. Jared Allen. Yeah, you remember Jared Allen? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He reminds me a lot of him. Yeah, goddamn. Max Crosby, it just, it's Patrick McQueen. Oh, my God. Patrick McQueen. Why do you keep saying McQueen? Patrick McQueen.

Steve McQueen. Alexander. Okay, that's why. Yeah. He talk. Rohan, Roquan Smith. Yeah. He talk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why. Yeah. He talk. Rohan, Roquan Smith.

Yeah. He talk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, they wired up. It's funny. There's some of the other players that always wired up. It's always that

politically correct talk because they know they mic'd up. Yeah, you know what? You don't say, yeah. We ain't mic'd up. We mofo and SOB in the whole while. Yeah. So we got to come.

Because we don't want to bleep everything. Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. Listen, oh man, the mic'd up days was so fun, man.

I'm out there talking about everything. It ain't got nothing to do with football. I'm talking about how your mama, man, how the family, everything good?

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