Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Caleb Williams shaky rookie season, Pierce done in Vegas?, St. Brown Prada Suits

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Sam Darnold and the Minnesota Vikings taking care of business against Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football and dive into rookie QB Caleb Williams still has a lot of growing to do after a disastrous rookie season. Later, Unc and Ocho debate if the Las Vegas Raiders should hold on to Antonio Pierce or move on next season, Detroit Lions’ Amon Ra St Brown bought Prada suits for the entire Lions receiver room and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro05:30 - Bears vs Vikings39:30 - Falcons vs Raiders59:50 - St Brown x Prada Suits1:10:12 - Bengals x Playoffs(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Lions beat them early in the year. The Vikings traveled to Detroit. The injuries are starting to mount. They had 13 players already on the defensive side of football, already on IR. Two more going on IR. McNeil, the great defensive tackle they got. Carlton Davis, the third.

He's on currently on IR now. So now that makes it 15. The injuries are starting to mount. So that's going to be a very interesting game. And if I'm not mistaken, they played the last game of the season, but the Vikings beat the Bears and moved 30 to 12, moved to 12 and two within striking distance of the Detroit Lions. And remember, like I said, Detroit kicked the field goal early in the year to

beat the Minnesota in Minnesota total yards. The Bears had two 83 to Vikings had three 29 total rush yards. Bears was 112 Vikings with 114 Caleb Williams with 18 of 31 191 one touchdown zero interceptions and Sam Donnell was 24 42 31 one touchdown one interception. Like I said guys, Ocho is having some technical difficulties so we wanted to get this thing on the road. But when you watch this game, Minnesota looks really good. And I think because Detroit has played so well for such a long time, people have kind of put Minnesota, kind of put Green Bay kind of on the back burner. But if you watch them throughout the entirety of

the season, they're a very good team. They bring a lot of pressure. They can get to your quarterback. Green Bay. We saw Green Bay last night against Seattle and Seattle had been playing really well, but I think those are two teams, clearly all three teams in the NFC North. There are four teams, but the Bears are not going anywhere. Not with that record at four and 10 with three games remaining. So the best they could do is seven and 10, but Minnesota 12 and two Detroit 12 and two, I think the Packers are 10 and four.

So those three teams are going to be going to have a very, very presence, strong presence in the, in the playoffs. Um, but I like what I saw from Minnesota. Um, the bears have got to do a better job of starting. They just start entirely too slow. They're giving teams 10 13 17 point leads and then they try to work their way back Late in the ballgame and they're not a good enough football team to overcome those slow starts

So they're gonna have to do a better job. I don't know if if your script in place I don't know what's going on but if you look at them they've done a very poor job of starting ball games and when you when, when you start ball games like that, and when you start with a rookie quarterback and you're not, uh, and your, uh, your talent, I mean, they have some skilled position players. Offensive line is not the greatest, but I do think Caleb Williams holds on to the ball entirely too long.

Um, there are some plays that he had that were made. He had Roma doomsday right over the middle and he went away from him and I don't know why he would do something like that because clearly he's not comfortable just yet of making the right decisions and letting the football go on cue and on rhythm and so he's going to have to get better on that but give him some time. He is a rookie there's a big difference between it being a rookie quarterback and being a vet in college. You know, obviously he could make plays off script in college, but those don't happen very often in NFL. And you're not trying to make a living making plays like that.

But Minnesota looks really good in this. And with the injuries that Detroit is having, they're vulnerable. They're very, very vulnerable. I think Philly is 12 and 2 also, right? They've only lost two games Yeah, Philly's 12 and 2 also And so when you look at that you got Minnesota at 12 and 2 you got Detroit at 12 and 2 you got the Eagles at 12 and 2 and if you put up if you say put some money down That matters to you, who you think

I, who I think the best team in the NFC is, I would say the Eagles, um, based on their defense of that frontline. Um, and, and, and as much as, you know, been speculation about happy, who's happy, who's not happy, seemingly bickering on the sidelines every single week, I still based on what I've seen from the Eagles, based on what I've seen from Detroit, now the injuries start to mount and their defense is compromised. I think the Eagles are the best team in the NFC. I think Minnesota is going to be, I think Minnesota is going to give Detroit all they can handle. And at the end of the day, it comes down to it's not who's playing who's healthiest,

who's the healthiest team and who's playing the best? But it's a Minnesota had to be pleased with what they did tonight. They beat a division rival, you know, it's very tough to beat division rivals Chicago Minnesota, there's no love lost but Minnesota dominated this ballgame and You saw that in the score. You saw that everywhere They just they just did a great job of handling their business and taking care of business. And that's what you expect of a team that's 12 and two. This game, the Minnesota and Chicago, Minnesota wins the game 30 to 12.

Minnesota moves to 12 and two tied with Detroit and Philly with the best record in the NFC. Chicago falls to four and 10. Minnesota wins 30 to 12. What'd you like about what you saw? Listen, tonight's game, Minnesota obviously looked very good. Very good, what Sam Donald's been able to do, for the Vikings, with JD McCarthy going out,

being able to, most of the time, you think about backup quarterbacks, your backup, he's a backup for a reason for him to come in and make. The almost a super bowl contender only losing two games this season he's been very good offensively he's really played himself into another big deal i'm not talking fifty million dollar quarterback type money i'm talking about you know you're baking mayfield. No three three forty something something like that and he's giving's given them a chance and there's a good chance. He does come back. He does come back there on something small based on what they've seen,

the small sample size and what they've seen this year. He's played very well. And again, tonight, he's done the same thing. Jordan Addison. Justin Jefferson, I can't think of the titans last name. PJ Hockinson. Hockinson, looking good. And just look good.

God damn, on the other end of the spectrum, Caleb Williams, I don't know if it's the play calling. He has all the weapons. He has all the weapons he needs to succeed. I don't know if it's the play calling or not, but maybe his decision-making, getting the ball out a little faster. I mean, the officer coordinator would basically know Caleb Williams strengths and his weaknesses. I'm not sure if the play calling is to Caleb Williams best strengths. He does need to start

fast like you said earlier, just they're not good enough to be able to play from behind. So they need to do all the things right, possibly that they can in the beginning to at least compete with other team because they're not that bad. Not a bad. They just don't know. They're not that bad because obviously any every team is a quarterback away. You look with Jayden Daniels is done for the commanders. You look at some look with Sam Donahue is done when he's, when he has the right supporting cast

around him outside of Williamsville, New York, outside of Williamsville, Carolina, and look what he's done in Minnesota. I think for Kayla Williams, it's the same thing because you have the right supporting cast around you to be able to succeed. They just something missing. They're just something missing. Maybe as a rookie, maybe being a rookie, your decision making isn't what it should be. Maybe it's the play call. It's just something that's off because you have the pieces around you to be able

to succeed and it's just not happening the way it should be. Now, I don't, I don't know what it can be, but there's a reason he was a number one pick. There's a reason he's good. He's really, he's a really good quarterback, you know, based on what we've seen so far, just an NFL as a rookie, it hasn't been what it should be. And it shouldn't be like that as good as he is. I just think it's pre snap. He gets got to get a better job of free snap.

You've got to be going to do a better job of processing and letting the football go. Like I say, there are situations that he had receivers open and for whatever reason his eyes went elsewhere. That's not play calling. If I call the player and I got a guy open, if your number one reader is open, I don't know why you would go to two

without giving one a chance. And there were plays like that tonight, there were plays that'll be had. And sometimes I think he like, look, he likes play. I think one of his strengths is that he's very good at improvisation. He's very good at playing off script. But that's not how you want to try to make a living.

Now there is nice to have that in your back pocket. You see guys like a Lamar, you see guys like a Mahome, you see guys like a, a, a Josh Allen be able to make plays off script, but that's not how you want to live. You want to be able to go through process information very rapidly. One, two, three, check it down, throw it away. That's how you have to do it. That's the only way to be successful. You're not going to make a living in this league continuously making plays off script. It's just, it's just too difficult for you to do.

And so at some point in time, maybe it's play calling, but we see a situation when they fall behind. But I know what happens when you fall behind, you get precaution to the win. It's easy for you to lay free because you're already behind by 21 points. So who cares if you fall behind by 28, 31, or whatever the case may be.

But at some point in time, they're gonna have to do a better job of starting because they do not have the team that's well enough, that's equipped to overcome 14, 17 point deficit. And so that's it and of itself give yourself a chance uh and we saw them against detroit they started terrible and then they got going right then they ended detroit ended up winning the ball game so we've seen them play well uh falling behind but i just don't think that's a that's a great way to try to win football games

on show is to try to you know continuously fall behind and then ask your rookie quarterback to try to now make plays Mm-hmm to win you the ball game you see but maybe that's the issue you said you said it right as a coordinator Obviously when you fall behind you said it you don't caution to win and you just play freely You go off goddamn script and you run what you think is gonna work and what you need And you just play freely. You go off goddamn script and you run what you think is going to work and what you need for one to score touchdowns and to get yards and chunk plays. Maybe you should start the game like that. The same way you do and pretend as if, you know what, we're down right now.

Hell, fuck it. We throwing caution and winning. Right. We're losing. So I'm going to call the game as such and allow Caleb to do what he does best. As you said, playing off script, which he shouldn't do. Obviously as a quarterback, you want to do, you want to be able to run a normal offense,

be able to go through your progression, be able to go through your reads, you know, and make sure your anticipatory skills are what they should be and being able to facilitate the ball with that progression. And maybe that's just not his strength right now. So why not just play to a strength? And maybe that's why they look so good coming back against Detroit.

What's the strength? Playing off script, you can't play like playing off script. Being able to be able to. Oh, Joe, you can't call play. You can't call you. You call a play. The play is not meant to be when you call a play. Most plays are meant to do certain things. You can't say, OK, what is play play gonna break down and just go off script that's that's in yeah I know what you mean I mean I mean going off script no let's

say it's like you know as we I'm not sure if y'all did this first 15 plays of the game descriptive yes yeah yes I'm just saying call it a little bit more freely as opposed to how you would do if it was the beginning of a game. No, that's all. Now, I personally don't know what that looks like for them. I just know, hell, when you got them behind, the play call is much different as opposed to whatever your normal tendencies would be on a first down, second down, third down, whatever it may be. But you also got to. Because they look completely different when they fuck it down. But you also got a factor in the defense plays you different when they got a

21 point or 17 point lead. So they'll give you stuff. They'll let you nickel and dime your way down the field. So I have to call the game accordingly because I don't know. I'm basically off when I call the first 15, that's the one thing I know what we've seen on film study is that more times than not, they're gonna give us these defenses. Now, once we get past those first 15,

we've got to play football. They're gonna settle in, we're gonna settle in, and now we go play. Now, once I get a big lead, all I'm telling my guys, nothing cheap, nothing deep. I'm not gonna nickel your way down in the field. We're not going to give you big chunk plays. And so now all of a sudden the being the being the 10 yard of the five yard

of the eight yard routes, they're available because nobody wants that. Wants the guys to get behind them. They have, I mean, when you script the first, how do you F up the first 15, bro? You've been practicing these plays all week. You come in on Friday, you have a good idea of what you're going to do. You talk, you've been practicing these plays all week. You come in on Friday, you have a good idea what you're gonna do. You walk through them on Saturday. I'm trying to figure out, I mean, bro,

y'all gotta do a better job than that. Y'all got to. But Minnesota 12 and two in the wild card position because they happen to be in the same division as Detroit and Detroit owns the tiebreaker because they beat Minnesota head to head. That could change moving forward. It could easily be Minnesota being the number one seed.

It could easily be the Eagles have the number one seed, but I just don't know how the Lions with all these injuries that started to mount on the defensive side of the football. I don't know how the lions with all these injuries that started to mount on the defensive side of the football. I don't know how they hold onto that number one seed. If they do, given the injuries that they're dealing with, man, you gotta go ahead and give Dan Campbell, the coach of the year.

Yeah, most definitely. I was thinking about it. I'm thinking about those that are free, that can come in and help right away and play right now. Carlton Davis is out out broken jaw, right? Yes, I'm not mistaken broken John. I'm thinking Xavier Howard Xavier Howard is is out there right now I think that's someone that can come in and feel that and feel that spot very very

Huh is he in shape? Oh, you know, he's been working out. You know, he'd be working out now I don't I don't know personally I'm just saying based on what I've seen from him and his agent that they put out, you know, in him being available and wanting to come in. I think he might have had to try out maybe one or two, if I'm not mistaken. I'm just saying being able to feel the whole so the Detroit Lions can make that run, that that playoff run on somebody. Listen, the Lions love playing man to man.

What does Xavier Howard do very well? Well, not playing man to man the last couple of years. That's not what he's been doing well. Right, come on, don't do that, come on. You say what he's been doing well, not playing man to man, that's not what he's been doing well. Come on, come on, hey, stall him out, D-Bone. But you know what, Ojo, that I hate?

When you see guys like Howard that's been a Pro Bowl player, that's been an all pro player. Now they got to send out memos and smoke screens to try to get back into the league. I tell guys all the time, Ocho, it's easier to get in the league and stay than get in the league, get out and try to get back in. Right. So once you're in, Ocho, once you're in, it's easy to get in the club. But what they say, and when you go to a sporting event,

when you go to a, if you leave the arena, there will be no more re-entry. Right. So that's what I'm trying to tell these players, Ocho. And they don't want to listen. It's easier to get into the league and stay as opposed to getting in, getting out, and try to get back in.

Because now people starting to look, okay, so what happened? Why is he not in the lead? Right? And so look there's some issues off the field Hopefully he got those resolved so that if the guy can play I'm sure the toward is gonna kick the tires again Oh Joe, right. I don't know if he had a trial with them. Like I said, I haven't been following that closely I'm sure they're going to kick the tires again. Maybe they have guys on the practice squad that they elevate. Um, no, no, no.

Um, come on now, come on now. We know we talk about practice squad and we talk about players that have, they have the experience to be able to play position so Aaron Glenn can do some of the things that he wants to do. We don't have to change much. And how do you do that by going out and getting a the veteran that's that that's been good at what they do, whether it looks like it did five years ago or not. You have someone that's familiar with defense that's familiar with covering,

especially man to man, which Aaron Glenn knows boys like to do. And that, that has a lot of interceptions and it will always have himself in position to make those plays as you make this run and then hey you got fresh legs You know you have no wear and tear so you get the best version of that individual or whatever they have left in the tank And I think it would be a good look as far as the the second level is concerned I don't really know about linebackers. I'm just gonna be honest you I don't know about linebackers and what their availability May be as far as somebody coming off the street or somebody that's played the game for a while. And I don't know about deep saying, but I speak to the steel position in DBs.

Uh, you got what you got now, Ojo. And the thing is, is that what concerns me is that catching up with the speed of the game, because you know, that's a different mentality when you own that edge, now you on rockers Island and now in the sharks, cause you, Hey, all I know is if I was playing and I see a guy and he been out of the league for 13, 14 weeks and he just coming back. I'm gonna cook his ass. Yeah. Ain't no ill saying a bus about it.

I don't care what you were, I just know you're not walking back in and being that same player. Now you might build back up and become some resemblance of that, but I know your first couple of games back, you ain't gonna be him. And cause guess what happened though, Joe?

When you start working like that, soft tissue injuries. You and I both know he ain't been back pedaling, playing, stop cutting, turning, twisting and running like this, like he gonna be in the game. And because practice, you gonna be sore after those first couple of practices. You know how sore you are, think about how hard you work out in the off season. You take your black ass to practice those training camp. Those first- It's different. It's different.

Was it different by the time you hit that day three? Still playing, ain't no being. You walking like Frankenstein. Ain't no being. Ain't no flexion. Ain't none of that. Everything hurt. You get out the bed, your ankles hurt,

your hips hurt, your knees hurt, cause all that stop, starting, plant, cutting, transitioning, man. But I would look, what do you got to lose? I mean, you got guys going down, but the problem we got, it because a lot of it, they got interior guys, they got linebackers going down. They just got a specific position.

They're going down, they're dropping like flies at all positions. D-line, linebackers, and second-daters. Yeah. And at some point in time, and as I was saying today on first take, at some point in time, the man that's next to the man that's next to the man

ain't enough. It just isn't. Listen, one of the most important things for teams going into the back half of for teams going into the going into the back half of the season and into the playoffs. It ain't having the best team is about how many players you have healthy when they're healthy. Yeah, the healthy and everybody hurt.

Yes. No people in the chat people that people are watching. Everybody everybody's not healthy. You know, you don't feel the way you did going out week one. Everybody got something wrong with them. Everybody's nicked up. Everybody's nervous. It's a knick and knack or it's something. There is no team that is completely healthy.

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Those are your four division leaders The first wild card is 12 and two, Minnesota. The second wild card is 10 and four green bay Washington needs one more win to secure themselves Uh, uh, well, yeah, I think if they get one more win, they'll, they'll make a playoff. Uh, that'd be, that'd be 10 and five. Yep. Um, and now Seattle theoretically could get to, uh, could get to, um, could get the 11 wins, Atlanta could get to 10 wins, Arizona could get the 10 wins,

but those are the teams that really control their destiny. Everybody else, the 49ers, the Cowboys, they need help because they can't get the 10 wins. So you've got to hope, Ocho, you've got to hope that you win out and then somebody else takes care of business, helps you take care of your business. Right.

But, uh, imagine, imagine if this, I mean, hypothetically speaking, when you think about it, imagine the Cowboys get to the playoffs, I ain't hypothetical. So they have it. It said it yourself. You just, you just named them as a team that can rely on other teams for something to happen and just mysteriously go their way where they happen to get in. But here's the thing. They got they got to go to Philly Philly's trying to get to number one seed. They're not I don't I don't see them beating Philly and Washington needs one more win.

See if Washington gets another win the Cowboys can't catch him. Yeah, it's a wrap. So all Washington has to do is get to 10 wins and the Cowboys can't catch them. Now Green Bay already has 10 wins. Minnesota has 12 wins. The Rams, see the Rams, the thing what they have is that they're in a division. Now it's gonna be very, very interesting

how it shapes out between the Rams, the Seahawks and the Cards. Yeah. But those teams gets to 10 wins. It's over for Cowboys because the Cowboys could only get the nine. Yeah. And speaking of those three teams you just said, Cardinals, Seahawks or the Rams, I think the one team that no team, I don't care who you are.

I don't care how good your defense is. I don't care what you say or what your rank statistically, offensively or defensively. You don't want to see the Rams offense in the postseason. They look good. They look good. You don't want to see that offense with both receivers back healthy.

Nah. The thing that's been really impressive about me is Kyron Williams' ability to run the football. And so when he runs it, Ocho, guess what that mean? That play action. Opens up everything. Now you got Puka on the football. And so when he runs it, Ocho, guess what that mean? That play action. Opens up everything. Now you got Puka on the over. Now you got Cooper Cup on the sale.

Now you got Antwell. So you got guys that can make plays in the passing game and everything is predicated, that zone running scheme, the shed that, you know, hey, that was made famous by Mike, Kyle runs it, is that when you can run the football and now I can play Actually off of it. Mm-hmm. Hey linebackers got to come up. They got to try to get down and feel to stop that run You got no choice got no choice got no choice, but the chick I call it

They got to check the dough because somebody knocked. Mm-hmm Jalen Johnson said he was unaware that he did not have the captaincy on his jersey today when asked after the game. He's one of the eight captains that have one to see in every other game. Said he would talk to Bears equipment manager, Tony Medolin for an explanation. Why wouldn't he have it on there? I don't know.

I'm curious. Hell, I thought it was all, once you saw it on. It's already there. You know what, Ocho, now maybe, was this the first time they wore those jerseys? Because it seemed like Minnesota had a different color uniform. I don't know what they had.

They had some ice white, some ice white uniforms. So maybe that's different. Maybe Chicago had those, what do they call it? Color rush or something. But I've been thinking, Ocho, once you sold a captaincy zone and you wear the jersey on there. What do you

do? but hold on. They don't wear the same jerseys though. huh? We think you think they Oh yeah. You want to say hell yeah. a list a list. Oh no. I'm saying Ocho now obviously you have a home jersey. You have a way jersey

now if it gets ripped or something like that, okay, maybe or or if you give it away, you know what I'm saying, Ojo? So, you know a lot of guys, they trade jerseys after the game. You're right, they trade jerseys after the game. But man, I mean, hell, I wore the same jersey because you can see, well, they done stitched mine up. They done got me had it torn. They done sewed that thing up, man.

Hey, hey, team, hey, that's why when you trade jerseys at first, the team covered that. Oh hell no, these jerseys like a hundred some dollars and y'all giving them away every game? Oh no, y'all about to, this hundred plus dollars, $200 gonna come at y'all check. It is. So yeah, I can imagine he looking down,

he looked down and he said he didn't know that he didn't have the seat on his jersey. And I'm glad, cause they just go to show that he wasn't worried about that. He going out there and play football and try to win a game. I ain't worried about it. That's something, I don't know if he's being truthful

or not, Ocho, but it lets me know, look, I'm trying to win a game and we'll address this issue after the game. Listen, he came, he came. I don't know if you saw him dress before the game, but he came dressed to play football. Yeah. He came dressed. Which one came like Frank Lucas?

That was, that was J. Okay, that was him, okay. He came like Frank Lucas. Hey, he looked like one of Detroit players, man now. You remember Frank Lucas went to the Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier Friday. Exactly. Exact same exact same coat and hat. And he got his ass busker. Hold on. Yeah, dad with that outfit sitting that close to the read. And that's exactly how he got caught up because they didn't have they had no clue

who he was until you decide to step out and be flamboyant. Mm hmm. And that, I mean, cuz think about what that calls. That's probably 100. That was probably like 50, 50, 75,000 back in the 70s. Do you know how much that's probably

about 400,000. But that was that was Chinchilla now. Yes. We know how much Chinchilla is today. At today's market? I'd have been Chile. Cause I definitely would have had that coat on. I'd have just been Chile, Chile. Hold on. Don't forget the hat now. Yeah.

Remember back in the day when my grandma, I'm talking about my grandma, when my grandma used to go to her. Oh yeah. Oh, the old ladies always. My grandma. Them hats? Them hats?

Yeah, them deaconesses. What? Boy, ain't nobody wanting to see my grandma hat game, boy. Oh yeah. Nobody wanted to see my grandma hat game, boy. She had all type, but she had all type of shit. I'm talking about the She told my sister she wanted to be in a hat. Right, that's a lie. She had a hat, her sunglasses. Yeah. Everything, yes, yes, yes sir. You never go see, I don't remember. And like I said, I've never seen my grandmother

go to church without a hat. Yeah. Never. Yeah. And if she forgot it, you gonna turn around and go get it. Yeah, very poor to go have that hat on. Them old ladies, them old ladies, that was the thing. The old ladies wore hats back then. But they was, you know, deaconesses

or the sisters of the church. Hey, hey, you know who had the best hat collection? The pastor wife. Yes, absolutely. Whoever the pastor wife. Oh, she, hey, she came steppin' every Sunday. Deaconess, my grandmother was mother of the church. So, you know, they had to get up there. They had to get up there. They had to she came stepping every Sunday. My grandmother was mother of the church. So, you know, they had to get out there.

They had to get up there. They had to they had to step. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So I was I saw it on my feed. Oh, Joe, on my IGP. You realize who was playing on TV. I just you know, I just scrolled through and I was like, damn, dude, got on that Frank Lucas get up

because it looked exactly if I didn't know about it, he wear this, hey, let me get the frame, who's Frank Lucas? Show them a picture. Can you get me a coat and a hat look just like this? And that thing, hey, that thing. It's so funny when they tweeted, when the Bears, when the Bears social media account tweeted it,

I retweeted it back with a picture of Frank Lucas in the original picture. Yes. Standing with everybody, with his wife and everything with a comparison to him like, well, ain't that about a bit? Yes. That's the exact ensemble and that thing long too. Yeah. Oh, that ain't long. Now, you know, you know, you get a jacket. You can get a jacket or you can get the mid or you can get what they call the. Hey, you can get you can get a jacket or you can get the mid or you get what they call the Hey, you go long you like you from detroit now. It's still straight detroit. But see that would have them stacey out of them gators Oh

Oh time out You know about stacey adam man. Come on man. Now, you know the old man them stacey adam See, I went to church the men had the stacey adam boots, you know the old man, them Stacey Adams? I went to church, the men had the Stacey Adams boots. You know they had them. Yeah. Not the thing came up about right here, Ocho. And they had them on real socks. Yeah. It's so funny. Hold on. Hold on. You're not, if I tell you, you're not going to believe me. Hold on. If you tell him, listen, hold on, hold on. I got the Stacey Adams. Listen, you know I roller skate. I roller skate heavy. Anybody in the chat that's from the West Coast, hold on. I got the Stacey Adams. Listen, you know I roller skate, I roller skate heavy. Anybody in the chat that's from the West Coast,

specifically LA, I have my Stacey Adams, they all read roller skates. Okay. Yeah, with the small wheels. Yeah. If I don't show it to you, you'll be like, man, stop lying. Now I don't know if I can zoom.

I don't know if this picture. Okay. Yeah, I see it. Can you see that? Yeah. Yeah. Then my red skates made by skate fanatics. For those of you that are on Instagram, skate fanatics on Instagram, my red Stacy Adams. So, as soon as you said Stacy Adams, I thought to myself, wait a minute, I got some damn red Stacy Adams skates because they call them sliders in LA Mm-hmm you know you slide on the wood because the way the wheels are made it allows you to slide smoothly instead of really have grip well You know a slider is a slide is a car. It's not your main car. It's your secondary car slide. Yeah, you know, I hear it. Hey,

hey, but it's a it's a way it's a style of it's a style of skating, you know, normally known on the West Coast for those that are that roll out that way. But you know, I'm I love skating. I love skating. I don't know how long you were in L.A. But I'm just saying if you I'm not sure if you remember it's no longer than now. Remember World on Wheels? yeah I know I've never been you gotta you gotta think when I was at Santa Monica I was at world on wheels back in 97 yeah going to the sessions 97 98 and 99 and that's where my love for skating has started and I still do it to this day hey but anyway we're all off topic but go ahead but I remember early 90s we got it you had to, I don't know, Chad, if y'all remember the Maury's and I had Maury's, that was the Gators. And they came, you know, I had the black pair,

I had a brown pair, a cognac pair. Come on, man. Everybody had, you know, you had purple, you had green, you had black. Back then, the guys had a pair of Gators to match every suit that they had. So if you wore a black suit, you wore black gators. You wore a purple suit, you had purple gators.

You wore a green suit, you had green gators. You wore a brown or tan suit, you had gators to match. Every, bro, you show up on the plane, 40 brothers with Marvies on. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, clean is the board of health, though, I tell you that. Clean, hey, I know y'all'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I kicker, like the straight on kicker that had the square toe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody had the square toe Marris, yes. That's live, that's dope. The Falcons survived in Las Vegas 15 to nine. Desmond Redder last second heaving to the end zone with interception, intercepted. The Raiders fall to two and 12, that's how you do it. Make like you trying to win Ocho, so you get no more pay, pay nobody will say anything about the path Falcons improve the seven and seven

Keep pace their one game behind the Buccaneers That's why first cousin still starting Falcons managed to stay within one game of Tampa Bay in the NFC South Raheem Morrison Kirk cousins. He's got to play better. We we have to find way Find a way to get him to play better. We, uh, we have to find a way, find a way to get them to play better. We have to play better at the quarterback position at levels. I'm his was pedestrian. Once again, mustering 261 yards, only 14 first downs cousins was a finished on the night, 11 of 17, 112 yards and a touchdown and an interception.

This is the only ball over. Ohception. Listen, and the only one. You gotta stop turning the ball over, Ocho. Oh, but that's what it is. He's on a horrible three or four game skid as far as turning the ball over is concerned. The quarterback is what gives your team a chance to win. Period. Yeah. And again, when you play as bad as you do,

and the reason they won the game tonight is because you're playing against a very bad Raiders team. It's true. You won tonight because you're playing against a bad Raiders team. If you're playing against anybody else. Oh, you'd be the hell beat out you. You would've got your ass handed to you tonight, you know?

Kirk Cousins has to play bad. I'm not sure what you call it as a quarterback. As far as baseball is concerned, for better context. He had a slump. He's in a, but this is a horrible slump. One that when it comes to baseball, it's just you and the pitcher. So you have to work on everything yourself. This one, you're the quarterback. You have 10 others to make sure, you know what, we're going to make sure you get it right. And you got 10 other people to help you do

it. Now, the only thing on your part is, is your goddamn decision making with the ball. Yeah. You've been playing football long enough to know what's in front of you. You've been playing football long enough, playing the quarterback position long enough to be able to read your coverages, understanding the disguises that you're seeing before the snap of the ball, understanding where players are going to be after the snap of the ball, where these mistakes shouldn't be, shouldn't be being made by a savvy veteran like yourself.

It just should. And again, the only reason they did the I mean, the fact that the only reason the Falcons didn't lose tonight is because you're playing the goddamn Raiders. That's it. And you know, another thing on top of this, I'm hoping Mark Davis understanding that Antonio Pierce hasn't got a fair shot. No, you haven't had a fair shot. No, you ain't winning without a quarterback. He hasn't had a goddamn quarterback.

No. And it'd be totally unfair. I hope he has the patience and understanding that, you know, in allowing Antonio Pierce to get a quarterback so they can build around him, so they can have a chance to compete not only in that division, but along with the rest of the NFL as like other teens have done if you look at I'm not saying the Bears have their answer and Caleb Williams They have to continue to build but Jayden Daniels, you know, it is shown but yeah, that's it Bryce Young

You know, it's shown The Falcons did everything they could to try to take the ball out of Cousins hands. They ran 37 times did everything they could to try to take the ball out of cousin's hand. They ran it 37 times. They only allowed him to throw it 17. So you see what they tried to do. And they tried to make it simple because now we run it, now we play action off of it.

But he's in a horrible slump. And right now he's like overthinking it. He's trying to aim the football. And I just don't know, I don't know if that's the correct way to get out of that funk that he's trying to aim the football and I just don't know, I don't know if that's the correct way to get out of that funk that he's in. Yeah. But they still have a chance, they have a chance to make the playoffs and win the division.

Right. And that's why, that's why they haven't benched him. That's why they have a foot Penning Jr. in there. That's why. That's it. Because they know, they know what Kirk can do. We know what Kirk can do. Listen, we've seen Kirk going on a goddamn run where he's a monster in the regular season

We I mean I've seen it you've seen it, you know But I just I don't know when it's gonna come But if we're gonna get to the old Kirk that we used to see him Obviously became called him playoff Kirk is only has one playoff win But at some point when you turn it around let's turn it around for the good Right for the good going forward because you got everything you need on offense you know Bijan is special he's special yeah he had 22 carries the night for a buck 25 Algier had 12 for 43 cousins uh you know sacked but he ended up you know he got sacked three times for 19 yards they

had 168 yards rushing on 37 carries uh you could live you could live with that uh little four about four and a half yards a carry but 11 for 17 bro i'm paying this man i'm paying this man 50 mil a year and this man gave me 11 to 17 but ocho at the place that we're here right now i got i a i gotta take, I gotta take what I can't. They scared. I can't trust him. I don't trust him full-heartedly. I took the key back. You know what's the old lady?

I took the key back, Coach O. Nah, you let me know when you coming. You just can't come and go as you please. Kirk Cousins, we just not gonna allow you to willy nilly just throw the football all over the field. Right, right. You've shown me some things that says that I shouldn't trust you.

So. I like that. Yeah, yeah. I like that. Adam Sheffield reporting, Mark Davis had a chance to stand behind Antonio Pierce at the owner's meeting and he didn't. It didn't sound like he's an absolute luck to be back with the Raiders at all. Ocho, will the Raiders bring Antonio Pierce back next season

I just talked about that out the blue. Hey Mark Davis. What we doing? Well, what are we doing mark is like his dad Oh Joe He likes names if you go back and look at if you go back and look at it where his dad Al Look at his eyes He likes the flash it. Now he's gonna do like, he hired John Mann at a very young age. You go, he went and he hired Art Shell,

the first black head coach in the model era. You look at, he make a big splash with John Groome. He makes a splash with Lane Kippen. That's what he did. That's what, he likes that. And his son is just like the old man. He likes names. One of the reasons why I'm surprised

that they didn't give Belichick a call because that's a big name. But Tom, I believe Brady is gonna have some. I don't believe, do I believe Antonio Pierce has been given fair, fair is where you judge pigs. You can eat cotton candy, ride the merry-go-round. That's what a fair is. Yeah.

But in this situation, I believe Tom is going to have a lot of say on whether Antonio Pierce stays or goes, and he, Tom is going to survey the land. There's a reason why they gave this guy, they gave him an opportunity to have ownership state because they wanted to have some say in who the head coach is going to be. So could I see a scenario where Antonio Pierce is not back next year? 1,700 million percent. Damn.

I don't like that. I don't like that as a former player. You understand what it takes to win in this NFL. A blind man that can't see understands what it takes to win as a team in NFL or what it starts with. It always starts with the quarterback position. If you don't have a quarterback, you're going to have hell trying to compete week in and week out.

Everybody knows that. Even if you're a casual fan of the game and don't enjoy it that much, you know it starts at the quarterback position. They haven't had that at all. At all. And it's been a quarterback position. They haven't had that at all. At all. And it's been a while, maybe three or four years. I'm not sure how long it's been since Derek Carr left, but they haven't found the answer and the centerpiece to be able to build around.

Now this is the upcoming draft. Now we're going to have that. We're going to have that going to get named. What is going to get names going to do? Huh? You have a coach already in Antonio appears that going to get named. What is going to get names going to do? Huh, you have a coach already and antonio appears that the players resonate with no different than dan Campbell i'm not comparing the two as far as coaching is concerned I'm talking about former players that played the game that the players will be able to relate to that is young

You know, I I just like I don't I don't know as an owner They they think differently him saying oh I want to get big name just to say and make a splash for fucking what? Because here's the thing, it's about what you have in that locker room and having someone who's going to be a leader of men in a position of power that can get everything out of those players. And you had that with Antonio Pierce. But the only issue is, I ain't got nobody, I ain't got, hell, it's like having a car with no motherfucking stairwell. That bitch, that bitch will go, you can either go, but you can go where you want to

because you ain't got shit to steal with. I think Ocho, the thing is what makes it difficult for Las Vegas and LA markets is that you have a lot of transient. What I mean by that Ocho, there are not a lot of homegrown people in LA, not a whole lot of homegrown people in Vegas. And so unless you win, not coming,

there's too much to do in Las Vegas. There's too much to do in Los Angeles. So what I gotta do, I gotta get a Sean McVade, a 30-something year old, and you see what they do, they go for it. Every year, they go out and get, they make the trade for Matthew Stafford. They make the trade for J. Ram. They go all in.

They go get a Vaughn Miller. They go get a Leonard Floyd. Hey, we don't care. We going all in because we gotta win. There's too much going on in LA. I can be at Malibu. I can be at a Sammo, Sam, Santa Monica. I can be eating on a deck.

I can be, I can be at the Ivy. There's too much going on for me to sit my ass in confines of a stadium. And we lose it. Now, if you're the Dodgers, they're Dodgers have been there for such a long time. The Lakers staple, they've been there for a long time, but not football team. In Las Vegas, you just got a football team, what, three, four years ago. And most of the time, a lot of the fans,

hey, the casinos, they let their rollers get those tickets. And we not winning, I ain't going. Cause first of all, the Raiders not even my team. I like the Steelers. I like Why like this team? I like that team. That's why when you go to I don't know if you've ever been to so far when the Rams play The whole team always have more fans than the Rams Right same thing with Las Vegas. And so you got to win or you got to have something to draw the fans in to make them want to come watch. Hey, you know, I'm just thinking the sporting event in general, obviously there's no football

team in Vegas outside of the, you know, you have college, you have the UNLV rebels. I'm not sure if they have a, uh, they got a hockey team. They got, they're about to have the four major sports. They got, they got night to have the four major sports. They got the, they got the Knights, they got the Knights. They got hockey. They're about to get a basketball team. Baseball is coming in a couple of years. They got a, they got a woman's basketball. They got a woman's basketball and they got football. So they got the four major sports. Yeah. But I'm just thinking outside of the Vince

The excursion, not excursion, I don't think excursion is the right word. Some of the things you can do you got the spear The casinos I'm coming to Vegas to gamble. I'm coming to Vegas to gamble get f'ing married. I ain't coming to watch those sports No, you ain't though that listen the football game a football game is a good That's a good thing to plan if you're going to Vegas, along with what you just said. Listen, I'm going to get married, I'm going to get hitched. Oh, shoot, that gave me a good idea. But anyway, you're going to Vegas,

you're going to get hitched, right? Yes. You think about it, you're going to gamble. You're going to one of them goddamn shows. One of them shows. Yes. Blue Man Group. I don't know what it may be,

but having a football game, cause I'm in Vegas on the goddamn schedule, it's perfect. It don't get no better than that. If it's hockey season, hell, the Knights ain't there for the Heights, the Knights. The Knights just won the Stanley Cup not too long ago. Yeah, they're good. They're good, they're competitive.

Hey, look, I'm going to a show I'm gonna get married Yeah, I'm gonna gamble. They got really good food out here. So the buffet. Oh, yeah You would you but and you better eat now, you know what? Hopefully I can make the football game cuz you know football is played on Sunday. Do you know how people are on Saturday night? the football game because you know football is played on Sunday. Do you know how the people are on Saturday night? They gambling and they're drinking. Yeah all day all night. Now what hell if the game is at one like one fifteen one twenty. Yeah I got another one for you now. You might not know about this man. You ever been to the Spearman Rhino? No. I've heard of it but

I've never been. Oh you never been? Okay. How about, how about, how about girl collection? Floyd Mayweather spot. I haven't been to Floyd spot. I've been to Sapphire a couple of times. Okay, okay. Sapphire, I like that color. That's a beautiful gemstone. Yeah.

I like what was in there. Yeah. And they had a lot of them, they had some Sapphires, they had some Emeralds, they had some Rubies. Okay, okay. Hold on. You ever, listen, when you was in kid, right? In my kindergarten class, we had a bunny. We had a bunny in my class I'm a little bit. Okay. Okay. Hold on. You ever listen when

you was in kid, right? Yeah. My kindergarten class, we had a bunny. We had a bunny in my class and the name of my bunny was Carl. Uh huh. Never forget Carl and as I got older in life, I threw the Vegas and I learned about the bunny ranch.

Yeah. Now, I don't know if you been to the bunny ranch. You ain't ever been there? Nope. Nope. Okay. I'm gonna get you a coupon because they they got coupon for 20% off at the bunny ranch. Yeah. When I was in school was gonna have some bunnies in our class, too But they name one call

So but like I said So, but like I said, brah, two and 12. And look, we know sometimes, look, two and 12. I mean, look at the quarterback that they gave, one year they gave him Jimmy G. Then you had, I don't know who to start. Oh, Gardner Mitchell started and then you had, I don't know who to start. Oh, Gardner Mitchell started and then you had Aiden O'Connell and now you got Devin Marritter. It's just like, so it's a bad situation.

I wouldn't wish this on anybody, because the thing that you don't want, Ocho, is to lose hope, where you don't have any chance of winning. Right. You don't. It is bad. I got a question. Yes. What happened to Garoppolo?

What happened to the Garoppolo that we saw when he was a backup to Tom Brady and some some words were exchanged behind closed doors where Garoppolo was playing so well but Brady felt he was a threat. You need to get him out of here so I don't have to look over my shoulder because the backup that we have, there's a chance he might take my spot. No different than when Drew Bledsoe got hurt. Yes. When Mokwian Tidum and I came in and Drew never got his shot back. Well, that was not a threat that was coach, coach Belichick.

Coach Belichick really believed in Jimmy G. Uh, and the thing is, is that you get that a lot. I want to prove that I can win a championship without you. And it, it all of a sudden it became a race to see who can win the super bowl first, would I would, would, would, would coach Belichick win without Tom or would Tom win without coach Belichick? Well, we know the answer to that. And so now everybody says, look, I mean, there are people that said

they won because of Tom. People say they won because coach Belichick, well, Tom went somewhere else in one Tom would somewhere anyway. So I think we, I think we have an answer and, and, and, and you get that a lot. And, and, and, and that's the hardest thing. Oh Joe, when you have that level of success, it ain't good enough to say we both responsible for it. Nah, I need 51%.

Now you can see, give me 51%. You take 49. We're going gonna be okay. Yeah. But as long as there's a possibility that you might get more credit, I don't get it. Because at that point in time, Tom was still playing really, really good.

And I get it. But as we start to age, we need more help, Ocho. It's just the same thing. It's just like, as we start to age, we start to need help. We have to write things down. I recall isn't what it once was. As you get older and older,

you might need help getting around. Well, even as great players, you need help because where you used to elevate everybody, now you need those guys to elevate you. Elevate you right it's no different as you get older sometimes you have to take the roast sparks because you need help. Well you right I ain't gonna say you're wrong. I ain't gonna say you're wrong.

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You can't replace what he's meant for that offense. You can't replace what he's meant for that offense. You can't replace what he's meant for that running game. Obviously, they were a great compliment to each other. Gibbs and Montgomery. I think I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'm sure, again, this is the situation where it's the next man up, but I don't think the next man up will be David Montgomery. I think they will be adequate to the offense, and they will be put in positions to make the plays, to make the runs and try to replicate the production that David Montgomery brought to that offense. But I think, brother Jameer Gibbs is gonna have to carry it.

He gonna have to show a little load and do a little bit more than what was asked as before. And I think he's capable of doing so and I'm not sure who the Number two will be yeah, I don't know cuz all I know is about them because they get all the carries So I don't know. I don't know who but yeah Yeah, it's gonna be somebody. I'm not sure who and when it comes to the running back You never bring someone off the you know off the street. Yeah, not really right? Could you probably get it? I'm sure they got somebody on the practice squad.

Because I think running back is the easiest position to transition from college, from college, from high school to college, from college to pro. Cause the hardest thing for a running back to pick up is list protection, pass block. Yeah. As far as eyes, if you have vision, if you have balance, that's there.

But knowing who to block, how to block them, that seems to be the problem with a lot of running backs and what they struggle with. Armand Ross St. Brown brought Prada suits for the entire Lions receivers room. Ocho, what's the best gift you've gave you ever gave or gift you've received in the locker room? Hey, that's a good one right there.

Um, I ain't, I ain't really never, never really received no gifts like that. Um, especially in our time, in our tenure, we didn't have enough. We didn't win enough on where gifts were really needed. You know, we, we didn't win enough, you gifts were really needed you know we didn't win enough you know during my time outside of one season and um i think if if we won enough then gifts would have been passed out for for for certain positions you know i was able to reach this milestone because of y'all because of this specific group or me giving Carson something nice because Carson didn't buy the offensive lineman because normally

the offensive lineman always oh yeah quarterback always quarterback always especially like well that 2005 the 2005 season i can't remember what Carson bought but i'm sure he bought that offensive lineman something because oh but our offense was unbelievable that year i don't know what the hell was happening that year but if there was something you know i can't remember obviously because it's been too long But I remember Carson buying something for all the offensive linemen for what they for what they had been doing You know that that season that we won't we won't fire offensively. I my first 93 I Was a first team all-pro. I was named starter of the I was starting tight in for the AFC and

I had a $10,000 if I made the pro bowl bonus Right, um, and I went and bought the office alignment. I bought them all Rolexes stainless steel Rolexes Whoa Wait, hold on that. Yep Wait, how much was the Rolex? Like 25, it was stainless steel like $2,500. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay I would get ready to say cuz you got me thinking about Rolex is the day and you know, I'm thinking about Dan That's 60 60 thousand a piece And she never had a watch on a day of the life not an Apple watch not a Mickey Mouse that a time

She ain't never had a watch on a day of her life. Not an Apple watch, not a Mickey Mouse, not a type. Where you watch at? I've known this woman nine years. I've never seen Ash with a watch on. Hey, Ash, what time is it? This is what she does. 9.39. Look at her phone.

You got the phone? Yeah. That's where, I mean, most most people a lot of people tell time I don't agree. I don't think I come I've always have a watch on so unless I'm working out, but yeah I don't really ever look at a look at my phone to get the time. I just looked out of my wrist, but I'm trying to think, did I do anything else? Nah, that was it. And I was like, damn, that little $10,000 would have came in handy.

Yeah. It would go. But no, it was just that I was just so, bro, I was just so excited because at that point in time, me and my brother were starters in the Pro Bowl We both would first people all pro so I Would that feel like man?

Just curious. I think about I think about all the brothers that played Yeah, man game and made it to the to it. Can you imagine what it feels like to be? You know a Moss brother, you know Santana's Norrisora's or Kelsey. Yeah. You know, I mean, the sharps, I mean, the Watts, they gotta be. Yeah. That'd be an awesome feeling, man. But for the bosses, like to have your brother, man, to go through life and, you know, this journey sometimes look different and, and you make it to the, to the pinnacle of your childhood dream and But no, that's got it. Oh, that's why I mean to like to see my brother over there and he was so bad

he was so happy like Because I called him and told him I said I like because you know, we found out that morning and so like yeah lunch break I I I called him say man. I made the Pro Bowl, I'm a starter. That dude lost his mind. Hey, that's a good feeling, boy. I know you were hyped. Oh, I know you were hyped, I can imagine. Cause he took me over his, in 90 he made it.

89, he was first team All-Pro, he led the league in catches And he took me over and so I was a rookie and to get an opportunity to be around all those guys So now I get to meet, you know, all the guys are over there and you know back then it was the at the Hilton Hawaiian Village Yeah, yeah And so the Hilton Hawaiian Village is you set up is a little different because it's access and everybody can just just walk up and so you know that's that's good and bad if you know what I mean oh sure yes sir yes sir yes sir you know you know you know just saying and so uh but yeah it was it was an unbelievable honor um you know, and that you I'm trying to think No, because my sister with the first two years she went 89 and went 90

Did she go back? Yeah, she went she went back in 92. She went back into so she went in 89 the first year I didn't go Because I was getting ready for the East West Ryan game all that stuff She went 90. And then when we both went 92, I was the first alternate and Keith Jackson didn't go. So I went, that was my first pro bowl and she went again. And after that, so I went 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98.

She's like, nah, I'm good. Cause she, I mean, all she would do, she just ordered room service. She came, she would come down the first day. So that Monday, everybody gets there. She would down, meet everybody. After that, she really didn't come down anymore. She just ordered room service.

She's like, nah, she just like, it's too far to fly. Right. And so, you know, she never went back. That's a long flight, boy. Cause once you get to LA, you still got another five hours to go. Yeah, and you know, she was coming from anywhere else outside of that, especially on the East Coast.

So she had to fly from Savannah to Atlanta, Atlanta to either LA, San Diego, or San Francisco. Sometimes they had to stop off in Dallas and fly there. So she's like, nah, I'm good, I'm gonna let y'all have it. So then I started like, but then I took my coaches. So I always took my position coach. So that was every year. And then I ended up taking, when I went to,

so after I made it, I had different position coaches. So every year the position coach, Les Decker was always, he's gonna be one of my favorite. He's always probably my favorite position coaches. So every year the position coach, Les Decker was always, he's gonna be one of my favorite. He's always probably my favorite position coach. I would always take him, even though he was no longer my coach. So I would take him and Brian Pariani. So now I go to Baltimore, I make it in Baltimore.

So now I gotta take, I take the position coach. So it was great because I appreciate what they had done. Cause everybody had taught me something different everybody worked with me everybody really helped me become the player that I became and that was one way that I could show him that I appreciated it and I invited them all because the but uh All of them were at the time was still except for except Steckl Steckl was was he wasn't coaching but BP was coaching and I'm trying to think what was my, uh, man, what's my coach? Wade Wade Harmon was, uh, my position coach was my position coach in Baltimore. And he was still coaching, but it was a, it was a great honor to bring them out,

fly them out, put them up, spend a lot of money. That's what my, that was the only time, Ocho, in 93 that I had incentives in my contract. Right, right, right. And after I got screwed out of that hundred bands, I was like, I've never put incentives in my contract again, because y'all can control that. And plus, I believe being the player that I am, I should lead the team and receive it. I should go to the pro bowl. I should be an all pro.

Y'all paying me this money. No, I don't need no more incentive. I'm more, trust me, I'm more. I don't, I don't need to be incentivized to do my goddamn job. No, no, no, no, no. Oh Joe, as Zeesha here, hit on Trevor Lawrence, boarded his $ million dollar guarantee for his

2025 salary due to the three game suspension as just Al Shazer Yeah, Al's there Al's here Shire, okay, Al's the Al's the Al's the Al Shire also missed out on $300 worth of game checks and extremely costly play. Yeah, very, very costly. And the fact that it affects that might that not mean in 2025, you know, guarantee, you know, Joe guarantee.

Yeah. That's unbelievable. Yeah. And you know, they ain they got no state tax. Yeah That's crazy young, you know That's very crazy when you think about it in hindsight the game of football on where it where it has gone to now You know where it is now as opposed to where it was when we played in our day You know it that's crazy.

They not playing by they money. They not playing, hey, hey. They not playing. The NFL is covering their ass because there would never be another lawsuit. Nope. Make sure we gonna dot all our motherfucking I's and cross all our T's

because there won't be another era to come back and sue us 10 years down the line or 20 years down the line and win. Nope. That ain't happening. Nope. Not again. Why you think they cut out all those videos?

That's what I understand. They cut out all those videos. You remember they used to have jacked up and hard hit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. It was, it was, it was, it was well promoted, well promoted. And it, cause it was a part of the game.

Now they want it out and they love that they love to call this, you know, player safety. I understand what you're trying to do. You try to protect that shield. Oh yeah. You kind of protect that money. We know I understand it. I understand it totally.

The Bengals, Ocho, you guys still have a milk chance, 2%. This is how the Bengals Oh Joe you guys still have a milk chance 2% this is how the Bengals get into the playoffs the Bengals need to win out need the Colts to lose one of their next three games they need the Dolphins to lose one of their next three games they need the Broncos to lose out hey to lose out the Broncos gotta lose out, the Broncos gotta lose out? Yep. Okay, can you do me a favor? Can you tell me the Broncos next three games?

Now, do they need to lose every game? Every game, lose out. That's what lose out mean. Yeah, I know what it mean, but I just don't like, the Broncos are playing so well offensively and defensively. I don't see them losing out. Now, some of the- They play y'all. They play y'all.

They play Thursday night, they play the Chargers. They play y'all they got they play y'all they got they got they play Thursday night They play the Chargers they play y'all and then they close off the season with the Chiefs. Oh Now there's a good chance. Yeah, you know, it is a good chance y'all do go on three now that I think about it That's for one. I'm gonna tell you right now When the Bengals play the Broncos we for the beat y'all ass and when we go on the show that night I don't want to hear you say foot At all, I'm telling you who y'all got who they got I think y'all got the rate do y'all know y'all replace y'all got Steve do y'all got the Steelers again? I think we'd have a steelers one more time if I'm not

I got a steel of the Broncos Brown who we close off with Y'all got Browns Broncos Steelers. Oh, yeah, we a there's a, you talk about a 2% chance. Yeah. Forget 2%. There's a whole milk. There's a whole milk chance that we go to the playoffs and we squeeze in a little wild card spot. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I believe, I believe in my Bengals. I believe in us because of number nine. I believe in us because of Uno and goddamn T Higgins. Now our issue, which

has always been, especially this goddamn season, is our defense. They happen to be our Achilles heel this year. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why. I don't know what's going on. But if we happen to get into the playoffs, I don't know what we're going to do defensively. I know what the hell we're going to do offensively. I know what one and five going to give us. I know what Chase and 5 gonna give us. I know what Chase Brown gonna give us. I know one thing we gotta score 50. We gotta score 50. We gotta score 50. It makes the other team score 45. That's it. All right. No, we gonna go ahead and see what we gonna put y'all out y'all misery on Thursday when we beat the Chargers. Hold on. So if y'all beat the Chargers, that mean we out completely and no other circumstances? I don't know. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.

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Like it could be another episode of me being emotional on camera again. And that's something I don't think I can take. I can't hear you. I like it. I like it like that. Hey, hell dog. The volume.

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