Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Celtics DESTROY the Heat + Make Washington Jr. JOINS Nightcap + Gary Owen CRACKS JOKES & Ocho OFFICIATES Wedding

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Boston Celtics beating the Miami Heat behind Jayson Tatum’s triple double and Jaylen Brown’s 43 points, Mike Washington Jr. joins the show to talk about his pre draft process, and Gary Owen joins the show to talk about Ocho officiating his wedding and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 5:20 - Celtics beat Heat18:46 - Mike Washington Jr. joins the show!38:43 - Gary Owen joins the show! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jason Tatum had a tripped dove, 25 points, 18 rebounds, 11 assists. Gassie had heard, who was the best duo in the NBA conversation, and they said, hold on man, y'all do stop playing with us. Sam Hauser chipped in, 23 points on 9 of 11 shooting from the floor, 5 or 7 from the 3 point line. Even Quetta had 16 points and 11 rebounds, and the bench, Luke Garza, 12 points, Praten Pritchett, 14 points. Bailey Shireman had 8 points.

They did the demolition. The heat did everything they could, Joe. They were 11 or 15 from the three point line. They cut it down, I think, to like 8 or 10 to start the fourth, and then the Celtics go on a 7-0 run, and then they never really look back from that because they didn't have an answer for J.B and J.T. Joe, watching this game,

are the Celtics really, really dangerous? Can they really, are they the team that everybody should be afraid of in the East coming out of the Eastern Conference and representing the Eastern Conference in the NBA Finals? Hey, of course they are, Uncle Ocho. Since Tatum came back, they've been playing amazing basketball. They're gearing up for a postseason run. You know what I mean?

Like, they hear the chatters. They hear everybody talking about who's going to come out to East. Obviously, with Tatum back and playing the way he's been playing, it's definitely got them at the top of the East right now. I mean, they've been playing great basketball. They're in sync. They haven't missed the beat. And they got so many weapons, so many guys that could beat you.

I didn't know how Tatum was going to look coming back, but, man, he's looked great. And guess what? They're not playing with their food, man. They're getting rid of these teams. They understand what's at stake, and they understand the opportunity that they have, and that's to contend for a title. And they had a team to do it, so I enjoy watching those guys play. I enjoy watching J.B. to continue to dominate and continue to, you know,

being MVP conversations, although I do not think he will win it. but I think he's done a hell of a job this year, man, and competing on both hands of the floor and keeping the Celtics afloat. Hey, Unk and Joe, matter of fact, yeah, before Jason Tatum came back, what J.B. was able to do with the Celtics that we thought he wouldn't be able to do,

was have them contending, had them coming out east or being one of the top teams, too, come out east. And the fact that he kept that ship afloat without Jason Tatum where he was in the MVP conversations and had them playing as well as they did without JT. And then one JT come back, Them boys still ain't miss no beat,

even though they demolish me heat tonight. You know, that's a whole other conversation in itself. But then, hey, they look good. They look real good. I think the thing that makes them, where they were vulnerable before Tatum came back, is that if you look at the Knicks, Carl Anthony here is there,

but they got two guys. They got Brunson and Cat. If you look at Cleveland, they got two guys. They got Mitchell. They got Hardin. And that was going to leave, that was going to leave J.B. all by himself. Yeah.

Now that they got Tatum back to go along with J.B. Now they got another guy that you know that can give you 30, 40 points. He can go get your double-digit rebounds. Yeah. We saw tonight get a triple dub so he can facilitate. He can run an offense. Yeah. So now that makes them, yeah, their hands on favorite to come out.

I mean, I don't know what it was going into the season, but there's no question of my mind. They're picked to come out of the Eastern Conference. And I understand Detroit with Kay Cod's, runningham have an unbelievable season. Jalen Duren went to the all-star game. And that's a two-headed monster. But they're not this.

You talk about two guys that's already been there, done that. Both guys have won an Eastern Conference most valuable player, the Larry Bird of War. J.B. has won a finals MVP. Both of these guys have been all stars. Both of these guys have been all pros, excuse me, all NBA.

So there are very few teams that have two guys like that, that have that count on their resume. You got to go all the Western Conference to see two guys that have been all-stars and one guy's been to finals MVP. And you talk about Shea and Jalen Williams. And now they got Chet. So they got three guys that's been all-stars. Yeah. And one guy's finals MVP.

He's probably favorite to win this year's regular season MVP as he did last year. You got Yoak etching Murray. So if you look at the Western Conference, they normally have two guys that can come get you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. now with Boston with JT and J.B Hey, I like it, but it's not just

JT and J.B. No. It's what we call the others. Those other guys, the Peyton Pritches, the Digg-White's, the Sam Housers, those guys who've been playing

this entire season without Tatum, Unc and Ocho, they understand what it's like. You know what I mean? So they know what they needed to be counted on. Obviously,

they're going to come through. They'll win some games. games in the postseason, you're going to put a lot of load on Brown and Tatum. But for the most part, you got other guys who are willing, who willing to step up and have no problem with stepping up and playing a big factor, you know, in the Boston Celtics advancing in the postseason. So I like what the Celtics are, man. I'm sure they, I'm sure they're, you know, pretty static where they're at as well, which is probably why Tatum came back. And, man, from the looks of it, I mean, 147 points, okay, Ocho, you're going to win the majority of them.

games, you know, you scoring like that rate. Joe, they shot 58% from the floor. They shot 48% from the three. You're going to lose by 20. Yeah. A damn near, you can't let a team shoot that high damn near 60% from the floor, the two point line. You let them shoot 48% from the three point line, even if you made,

the heat made 24 threes, and they lost by 18 points. That's enough on my team. They had six guys in double figures and lost by 18 points. Wiggins had 13. Bam had 29. Mitchell had 21. Hero had 18. Larson had 18. Hawkins Jr. had 17. They made 24 threes and they and they shot 46%. So it wasn't like they shot down the 30s and they lost by 18. Awesome got a lot man. Offensively they are juggernaut. Oh Joe. They, I mean, with Tatum back, you figure, okay, I, I can, I can, I can, Keep one of them at bay, Tatum.

Yes. But, hell, with both of them, it's going to be tough because, you know, even though Derek White, they have the greatest game tonight, you know, he only shot four shots, but you know he's capable of coming out and getting you 25, 30 points on any give them. Yes. You know what I mean? They just got so many weapons that I think that's going to help them prevail.

And, yeah, yes, they are a very scary team to deal with as of right now. You look at Jason Tatum and J.B., J.T. and J.B., JT was plus seven. Brown was plus nine. Hauser plus 23. Quater plus 28. Pritchett plus 20. Sharmine plus 14.

So think about it. Your two big guns are in the plus, which is great, but they have some of the lowest plus. As Joe said, the others. We've seen Peyton Pritchett. Okay, so you know what? Let's just say for the sake of argument,

one of the big two having an off game. Let's just say as JT or J. one of those guys. The other guy gets it going. You still got to worry about, you still got a word about Pritchett. Pritchie can light your ass up for 40. Sam,

how can go, can make seven threes. Yeah. Yeah. They got a total team package when it comes to, you know, hitting you in different waves, bro.

Yes. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we can run this trap on Tatum and J.B. But I like Equator too, Uncle Ocho to B. I like Guido, yes. You know, he understands his role, plays hard.

shot blocker, rim protector, you know, defender. Ain't going to do much more than that. You know, he's going to take what you give him. He had a double, double the night. Actually, he's been playing well the whole entire season from a different standpoint. So they got rid of some key players and Al Horford and Drew Holiday. But at the same time, man, they plug and play. They got some.

They're upgraded, though. I mean, Al, look, go ahead on your point. I'm trying to think of something to say, honestly, trying to defend my heat. I really can. And I want to go into and use the point that, listen, the Celtics doing what they did to the Miami Heat is really not a measuring stick for how good they are. But the fact that the Celtics do it,

goddamn everybody like this, like there's no point that I can actually make outside the fact that we don't have enough fire. The Hawks put foot so last night, though. The Hawks put them last night. You see them, you see them hogs balling on. They just put foot foot in the magic to the night. Hey, but I was, listen,

A squirrel get in every every, every moon, a squirrel good in every moon. Well, he got two of them in the past two days. Must be Christmas. Yeah, hey, the heat don't have enough firepower, man. I mean, no, we don't. We got to do a whole whole whole. They're going to be, they're going to be a playing team,

and they play hard and compete. So they may still have a chance to get that eight spot. But I don't see them. They ain't caught. They're doing no damage. I mean, they don't have enough. And I understand. man, Pat Riley, I mean, he wants to keep his homegrown talent.

He seems to be unwilling to part with with Tyler Hero. But the only guy that I would be really unwilling to part with is bang. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I think he's only one, uh, uh, Joe. Everybody else, you can have them. I agree. I agree. I think they're going to make some changes.

They're going to make some changes in some of Uncle Joe. If this, uh, I was saying, I told you what's going to happen. Now I said, I said it before the season started. I was saying it when, uh, before the trade deadline approach, but obviously some things and work out in the way we wanted it to, but I guarantee you this all-season joke, you hear me? And when the exact players I said that was coming, when they actually come, all I want to do,

all I want you to say, well, boy, Ocho, boy, you know something dying, your boy. You're saying, you're saying Jai or Yon is going to come. You ain't saying both of them, right? I mean, there's a good chance we could land both because, I mean, Pat, listen, are we trying, are we trying, listen to me, listen to me, stay with me. Are we trying to change the culture? Are we trying to be the A seed or a playing team every goddamn season? Hey, listen, the A seed is a play in.

All that is is a participates in trophy. Now, listen, you ain't trying to change the culture. The culture is great. What you need is a little more talent, okay? You need some more talent. Yes. Hey, Joe, what is culture without the talent? What is culture without the talent?

You mediocre. You like the cowboy. Oh, my bad. My bad. I think the problem that they have, is that when you look at it and they had, they went to the, a few years ago,

maybe 23, maybe a little before that, they went to the NBA. Finals. Maybe 22, they went to the finals and they lost to the nuggets. And sometimes the worst thing can happen to you is that you have success

because you think you're good enough. Yeah. They haven't been good enough in a while. Andrew Wiggins had that out of body experience when they won that championship against the Celtics. Yeah. But Andrew Wiggins has been just a guy.

Yeah. He's been just a guy. He's the number one overall draft pick. He wouldn't have been that had Joel and Bied back had held up in college. But he's a guy. Yeah. You're not, I mean, you count on him? He's your second best player?

Yeah, I mean. So I'm just trying to figure, okay, you got bam. Bam is Bam. Bam is can defend. You see Bam can get, Bam is a double, double machine. Tyler Hero is. Tyler Hero is a solid player. But do you really believe you can win with Tyler Hero as your first or second best player?

You believe you can win a championship with him as your first and second best player, Joe? No, you have to have Wiggins insert himself and be aggressive. Okay, Ocho. Like, he has to, because he's capable of averaging 20 a night, 20 or more a night. You know what I mean? That man shot seven times, Joe. I know. What I'm supposed to do with that?

He played 32 minutes only shot seven times. Thank you. And I just feel like he got so much, so much game and potential that he's one guy who I feel like, man, when it's time to turn it up, I feel like he can. I mean, he's won a title. He's played with some great talent before so he knows what it's like. But for whatever reason, it just hasn't been there for him. It's hard for me to believe at the age of 30 is going to come to him now. I could be wrong.

I could be wrong. Well, he might not even be 30. He might be 28, 29. No, I think he's probably about 30. But he probably right there. He's right there. What I'm saying is I'm saying, okay, Ocho, he can muster it up to where, you know, when the postseason start, whatever he's averaging, he can give you more than that.

That's all I'm saying. I think he has a lot more in the tank. Can is the ability to do something. Will he? What have you seen based on that one run that he had in Golden State in which they won the title? What about all those other years when they was losing to the Lakers into playing? How do you, how was he looking? You, you, you, you, pretty mediocre.

But what I'm saying is, in order for the Lakers to make some, I mean, not the Lakers, the heat that makes some noise, they got to have another guy, bro. You can't put all this on, bam. He's 31 Joe. Come out of here and get, you know, 30 or no night. You know what I'm saying? He's going to do a little bit of everything. He's workhorse.

I think when him scoring at 83, you know, everybody looking at him a little different. No, no, I don't, I don't. That's out of, he had an out-of-body experience. It's almost like the situation where we hear about somebody having the out-of-body experiences where they have an enormous bowel strength or they do something out of this world. That's what Bam had. Yeah. Ready for a different take on Formula One?

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Obviously, you did your thing in the combine and it's boosts you up on a lot of people's drafts boards. What was your training like? What did you incorporate to help you out, you know, in this combine? Really just it was really dieting. You know, I was out there at Fort Myers training the X3. And, you know, I got a chance to, at first when I came in, my body was beat up, you know, because of the season. Yeah. So I had to get a lot of treatment.

Like, I mean, it was, it was every day where I was just getting treatment, working on my body. But once I took care of, you know, the nicks and bruises of the season, he was really able to, you know, fix, you know, everything regarding my start, regarding my first three steps, like, all of that. And that was like the biggest thing that I had to emphasize my first recess. We was able to get that corrected. That though. Hey, you know what? For myself, obviously, me being a foodie and being a nutritionist, I'm curious, when you say your diet, you had to get your diet right to prepare yourself for the combine. Yeah.

What did you eat? I mean, what kind of diet we were talking about? Yeah, I just had. So when I'm talking about my diet, I'm talking about, like, you know, the macros and all that. So protein, I had a hit a goal every day in terms of how much protein I had, how much protein I had. how many carbs, how many fats. So, I mean, there was a lot of lean. Between 180 and 220, protein,

grab the protein. Because theoretically, you can eat a gram or protein per body now. So you're 220, so you can get somewhere between one, nine and 220. Maybe you want to add a little muscle. You go to 230, 230, 23. Yeah, it was more. So it was more protein than really any of them. Right, right.

Which was hard for me because I'm a big carb guy. Like, I like my rights, you know, my, my movement, all of that. So that was like the hardest thing for me. meat, but yeah. Eating quality, eating quality protein is hard. If you eating chicken, you eat fish,

you eat turkey, you eat turkey, you eat lean cuts of meat. Yeah, that's a lot. You get a couple of burgers, a couple of hot dogs, some fried food. You blow right through that. Man, man. You blow right through that bike. Yeah, you got to stay, you got to stay away from that fast food.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe, slow down, Joe. Joe, go down. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, the man for to be a pro. We need to, man. Let's teach him how he should take care of his body what he should be eating what he should stay away from. If he want to keep that four three speed when he gets in the league,

yeah, don't, don't get satisfied. Don't get comfortable, bro. You got to keep your foot on the gas. You feel me? Don't be listening to Ocho. Ocho out here eating McDonald's and all that. Ocho, his body type might not be like you. I mean, we're the same side, Joe.

We're the same side. I'm six, three, two, 25. Not even close. Hey, Mike, check this out. You mentioned, your journey and adversity that you face, University of Buffalo,

New Mexico, then Arkansas, you're from upstate New York, right? Utica, New York. So you go to Buffalo, that doesn't suit you. You go to New Mexico, that doesn't suit you. What was it about Arkansas? What was that, say, you know what?

I think this is the place for me. I think this is where I can home my craft and I can become what I believe I can become. Really, so starting off at Buffalo, I had a lot of people notice, but I was at Buffalo for three years and I had four running back coaches in three years. So that was like the main reason why I left. And then going into New Mexico State, I had a decent season and ended up hitting a portal mainly because I just knew that I had to play against, you know, better competition to, you know, get better looks. So that's why I hit the portal. But before Arkansas, I had committed to Utah.

And when I, when I committed, I didn't sign. I was waiting on the papers. and I mean a week went by and I didn't sign at all. I don't know if they were stalling or what. But, you know, Arkansas came into the picture and, you know, they were able to put together a great game plan for me to graduate and then also presented me with the opportunity to, you know, play.

So that was like the biggest thing with Arkansas. That's what you mentioned playing. You mentioned playing against top level competition. You know the top competition, the SEC and the big team. And so, and you didn't have a whole lot, you didn't have a whole lot of carriage, but you average about six yards of carry. So what is it about and looks at from the projection,

Seattle, the Broncos, and the Bengals are three are worried you kind of looked at being projected at. Because I think all three of those teams, obviously K-9, he left Seattle and went to Kansas City. The Broncos, they can need somebody in the backfield with KJ Harvey and obviously the Bengals. Although Brown played extremely well, they probably want somebody with a little bigger body and can pound it up in there and maybe you guys split care because seemingly that's where everybody's going to the two-back system.

But what was it, what was it about the SEC that really, really like, okay, I see all these guys that come out every year that go there. Let me see what they're really talking about. Really? I feel like I had a season I had because, you know, just the motivation and, you know, determination when it came to really just playing the SEC coming in.

A lot of people were saying that I'm not SEC caliber. A lot of people were saying that I'm going to be third team and I'm a ride the bench. I'm be handling out waters. So I really thought about all of that during the season. That was like really my driving motivation. Hey, when you talk about playing the running back position, obviously we all have our favorite players.

That if you think about your favorite players in the NFL right now, who do you mold or who would you say your playing style is like that's in today's game? I would definitely say Josh Jacobs. And I've been watching him since he was in Alabama. And then he went to, you know, the Raiders and Green Bay. I've been watching him like all throughout his career. And I'll definitely say him. I like it.

I like it. Hey, Mike, what you're doing right now, bro, preparing for the draft? What it's like? I know you, you know, you're prepared for the combine, had a hell of a combine. What are you doing now? Obviously, on the brink of getting drafted. What's your workout regimen like? What's your thought process on even getting a chance to play in the NFL

knowing that I'm sure there's a problem. life-long dream of yours. What is it like right now? Yeah, so right now I'm training Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. And then next week, we go into Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Tuesday, Thursday, conditioning. So that's my training is like. And then I'm also getting treatment every day.

I'm taking advantage of all of that because it's all free in Arkansas. So taking advantage of all that right now. I feel like my mindset is starting to shift it in terms of, you know, goals, you know, because this has always been, you know, a goal of mine, you know, making it to the NFL. And now, you know, my mindset is starting to change into, you know, trying to hit that legendary status. Right. Really, I really just, you know, whatever it takes, you know, like, you know, whoever is becoming a pro bowler, you know, and eventually, you know, my end goal is being in the Hall of Fame.

So that's what my mindset is starting to shift to. Well, Mike, you know, looking at this. scouting report, the one thing that the first thing up there, ball security. Yes, sir. That you need to do a better job of securing the football, 10 fumbles over three seasons. What have you been doing to try to fix that small flaw that's in your game? Really just emphasizing it. Like, I do position work every other day while I'm out here.

And I'm just really just emphasizing it like I'm out cuts. Like I do a drill, position drill, then I'll run like a gasser and I come back while. I'm tired because that's when I had my phone. I come back while I'm tired and I get back in the drill and I'm just emphasizing, you know, carrying a ball tight, you know. It's really just an emphasis thing. Yeah. You ever been to Cincinnati?

I've been through Cincinnati. Yeah. Yeah, there's a good chance. You might be there, man. You know, you Chase Brown in the back field. I'm probably going to be in the war room, you know, on draft day. So I'm just, you know, put my word in. We're going to send you to war.

Not no war room, the war. Hey, I'm trying to improve my team. That's all. That's all. You started a YouTube channel, right? Yes, sir. So tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, really just, really just document in my life, document and everything.

I want to be able to look back when I'm older and be able to show my kids everything. So, yeah. Okay, I like that. That's what I like that. That's what's up. So how long, how long have you had the YouTube channel? and did you start it like, okay, did you start it during the season? Did you start it once you started preparing for the combine?

When did you start this? Just say, you know what? I want to start this look back. So when I'm here, I can have my kids, my grandkids. We can all sit down and take a look with you, look with your dad, look with your grandpa. Yeah, I started during a combine training. So like a few months ago. Okay, okay.

Yeah. So you didn't document, did you document anything during your final season in Arkansas? Did you, did you, any, you know. So that's my only regret. I should have started it during the season. But end up starting after the season. I got a couple. I got one video out right now.

And then I have another one that should be dropping within, you know, the next couple hours, actually. All right. I'm going to check you out. I got to check that out. Yeah. Well, that's awesome, man. Congratulations.

I mean, the process in which you've gone through, you know, going to three schools. It doesn't matter where you started, where you finished. Now, I just want to share this information. with you. I know your lifelong dream was to play in the NFL, but your journey doesn't start. Now the journey starts. So getting there is easy. Staying there is the hard part. Man. Continue to work. Continue to put God first. Continue to do all the things that you did to get you there. But you're going to have to do them at an even higher level now because there are a lot of

there are a lot of guys that were all Americans and all conference and all this at that level. And so in order for you to stand out above them and to make sure you stay at that level, you know what it takes because you got this far can give you success. So here at nightcap, Ojo, ISO is of the University of Arkansas alum. Yes, sir. He's from going to rock arts.

Yeah, yeah. You know, he's going to be watching with an eagle eye. Hey, hey, Mike, hey, hey, hey, stay ton of vision, bro. Yeah, I mean. Everything else on the side of them just distractions, homie. Stay locked in. And congratulations, bro. And I wish you the best on the draft and Wu Pig.

Yeah, congratulations, man. Good luck on everything. When you do get drafted, I'm sure you have a team of people, you know, that direct you and what you need to do and what you don't, what you need and not do. But if you need a nutritionist, you know, holladette you, boy, I can get you a nice. Don't do that. I got a nice little plan for you, man. And get you right.

I got you on, Joe. How the family doing? The family good, everybody good, mom, dad, brother, sister. Everybody doing good. They're actually watching it right now. So shout out to them. Oh, hey, mama. Hey, mama.

Hey, mama. What is that? What are? Well, they do twins. Make sure you subscribe. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. And hit the like button while you're at it. Yeah, yeah.

I appreciate it, man. All the best, man. God bless. Stay healthy. And look forward to hear your name called on Drabbe. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Appreciate you, bro. Mike Washington, Jr., University of Arkansas running back. He's projected to go fairly high. I mean, great size, 6-1, 223, running 4-3, you look at his berk, you look at his standing brawl jump, it lets you know he's explosive. It also lets you know he did what he did in one of the preeminent conferences in football.

Yes, sir. Now that's, hold on, he battle tested. Yeah. He can run like that, he can jump like that. Like I said, the only knock that I can find is that he got to do a better job and take into the football. Yeah. Because that is the quickest way to get your ass off the field.

Yeah. It's to put that. Oh, Cho, remember earlier this year, Derek Henry, as great as he was, I did the Ravens duo, Joe. On the side line. Hey, remember what I said, Unk? Come on here on me.

What did I tell you with the problem? What did he take off his hands? What did he took off off, off, off, off his arms? Them damn sleeves. Because you can't, you can't, you can't feel a goddamn ball, Joe. But listen, for him, another thing also. And we know you know, because you know what skin to skin feel like. So we know you like.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, another. Hey, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Another, another thing for him to Joe, Joe, Joe and Unk is coming in being in

running back, you know, everybody fast, huh? You know what I'm talking about? Everybody can run. But being able to do more at your position will separate you from everybody else. Being able to do more, not having to come out on third downs, knowing how to pass block, being able to catch out the back field, you know, all that stuff matters and it makes you a lot more valuable outside of just the stats and what you did at the combine. So I'm hoping, you know, he got the right people around him, you know, so he can be a much better running back than what he was that

goddamn Arkansas is adding other tools to his toolbox. That takes more value. And stand locked in to the point to where you focus. You know how like training for the combine? I'm sure both of y'all

done it. You probably have to train your butt out for the combine. Then be like once you get drafted, you can't exhale, hell no. You can't exhale. You got to continue. You got to keep that same mindset. as though you're still trying to get somewhere, even though you're already there.

And like OXA, as easy as it is to get there, man, it's much harder to stay. It's the same thing for the NBA, bro, because guys get so comfortable after they get drafted, after they know the ropes, after they know how much they need to put in, you can never get comfortable, bro. You always got to stay locked in and stay hungry.

And I think, look, you got to be really special. Really, really special running back to basically be a two-down back. I mean, to be like an Adrian Peterson, because Adrian Peterson came out a lot on third down. Henry comes out on third down. You've got to be special. But it's not a whole lot of Ladanian Thomasons. There are not a whole lot of,

there's not a whole lot of Marshall Fogg's, though, also. And Christian McCaffrey. There's not a whole lot of guys like that. And somebody said, man, Eric Dickinson fumble one time, 18 times in one season. Yeah, he runs for 2,100 yards, one time in the season two. He rushed for 20 touchdowns in the season two.

Edie was different. I don't know if you, I'm older than I remember with EDKB. We had the chair and curl with the glasses. Yeah. Yeah. And he was the state champion in the hundred and two hundred and the state of Texas. And you know one thing. Texas, Florida,

Georgia. When it comes to speed, if you win the state, if you win the state track meet in one of those, in California, in one of those three states, oh, you can move. Yeah.

You can move. You can move. You can move. You can move. You know what's so funny about AD2. Unk is when you look at, when you look at his highlights, he runs so straight up. He runs straight up and down, tall as hell.

Or that boy move move. He'd be moving, boy. Yeah. Eric DeRam. But it's great to see the journey that these kids and to overcome things. You know, he's from upstate New York. Obviously, he goes to the University of Buffalo. that doesn't work out for him.

He goes on, he goes, and he mentioned that he had four coaches, running back coaches, why he was there. And then he goes to New Mexico State. And for whatever reason, like, you know what, I had a good season, but I want people because look at the level of competition and I'm kind of doing this and they're going to hold that against me. So let me go against top level competition, do what I did. And maybe I'll get a better look.

And he's probably played himself into a top three, you know, probably not going to get out of the second or third. He could be a first round pick. But indications, like, he's probably, going to go that second day, probably second or third round. Nice size, ability to run the football, got that kind of speed, 433 and that size. Hey, that was the fastest in the combine,

wondering out of running backs. It might have been. I think somebody might have had a 4-3 flat. But for a running back, but these guys not, see, here's the thing, the problem that I have with this, Joe, guys are going and specifically training. It'd be like you, Joe, go in and says, okay, Joe, we want you to shoot. Now, we're going to do a test, Joe, but you're only going to shoot threes from the right top of the key.

Yeah. And that's all you're going to shoot, and that's all you did. Yeah. You're going to get very proficient at that. Yeah. And see, the thing is, is that can you play football? I love that you can run fast. I love that you can jump high.

I love all of that. But at the end of the day, I ain't got no stopwatch on you. I ain't got no measuring tape. on you. Can you play football? That's all that matter. That's what I need to know. Can that can that four three and that 11 foot and that 40 inch does it translate to get your ass on the field? I put a helmet on you. I put shoulder pads and I put tweets on your damn feet. Can you translate that? Right. Because Joe, I'm sure you've seen guys that can jump out the gym and they can shoot it. But they get in the basketball game and I'm like, son, what you're doing? Right. Right. Right.

I already know what you're talking about. Hey, some can, some can't. I think what happens is when you're in a combine or when you're training for the NBA, it's like, can you make those reads in the game? You know what I mean? Those game situations? Because you ain't going to, in basketball,

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There he is, very funny. Mr. Gary Owen, Gary, how are you doing it? Gary, what's up, baby? What's up, bro? What's up? up. Hey, Hey,

Gary, I haven't had an opportunity to talk to you since we did the, uh, the club Shaysay interview. And hopefully you enjoyed the way it came out. Um, we got a lot of positive feedback. Hopefully people started,

like, man, I ain't know Gary was that funny. But I've done 200 of these. And so hopefully you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed it. Of 200 pods, I've done. I've only had one person to say they didn't have a very enjoyable experience.

So I want to say hopefully you had a very enjoyable. Yeah, yeah. That was dope. Yeah, I got a lot of phone. Calls off that one. Nope.

So, so, uh, you got married. I mean, I don't even, you said you was dating. I, I didn't want to bring. I mean, I knew some things that were going on, but I ain't want to put you on the spot. Because I didn't want to be messy because people say I'm messy. So I didn't want to put your business out there in the street. But you've gotten remarried. You got twins.

What has it been like becoming a new father for the first time in what? Damn, there two decades, Gary. I got a nanny this time. It's easy. It's light work with the man. Hey, matter of fact, Gary, you know, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm lead it with that question as far as doing something, obviously having older kids like myself and starting back over with twins.

And I just told me not too long ago, Unk and I and Joe as well, we talked about actually having kids again, you know, and in, no, no, no, you did. Unk ain't mentioned it. Hey, Joe, you, Joe, you said you were. Y'all two agree with me. We talked about a triple marriage. We talk about us, you know, we ain't talk about us having a kid. Hey, well, Gary, I'm thinking about having twins.

I want to know, what do you think about me having twins? You think it's a good move at this point in life, or should I just stick with what I have right now? Keep it real, G. You close to double digits. Might as well get that even 10. See? That's what I'm talking about.

And so, wait, one one thing. Obviously, you know how I am. I'm very financially savvy. So what does it look like having a nanny without having to tell me how much it really costs? You know, I mean, like, what do you think? I had one before, gee, I already know it's not. It's not as bad as people think. It really is.

Okay. It's not that bad. Okay, so ours isn't like living. She gets here at 7 a.m. Right. He leaves around 5. So is she there 10 hours? Yeah.

Yeah, she's there for 10 hours. Okay. That's convenient. That sounds convenient. Does she do anything other than nanny? Does she cook? Does she cook? Or is that she's just a nanny?

She just take care of the kids. When you got twins, I mean, she ain't really got time to do much else because she's everywhere. So she keeps everything in order. When she's not here, we see how important she is. I'll tell you that. And she calls in sick. Oh.

Oh. Hey, don't worry about it. We got some medicine. We got some calls, sir. That's like the Bengals without Joe Burrow. Gary, let me ask you this, Gary. What was it about the, you're getting married? What goes through your mind and say, hey, you know what I think of a good idea, babe?

We get Ocho to. Don't talk to him, Gary. Let me say how this all panned out. It was like a 48 hour notice. So when we first decided, you know, we're going to get married, I went to another wedding and I saw Cedric the entertainer. preside over it. I said that's a good idea

because it wasn't stuffy. It wasn't like you know God almost like threatening you. Something I go to ways I feel like a threat, you know? Death do us part, sickest in health bitch or poor. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. When Sandra did I go, oh, that was funny. So when ours came by, I said,

you know, I wanted the groomsman to be my think like a man castmates. And I was like, that'll be different. We all hadn't been in the same room. since 2014. So everybody signed on. And then when it came to the efficient, 50 cent volunteered.

He was like, I want to do it. So I was like, great. So the whole time I was like, 50's doing it. We kept it low key. Tuesday, I get a phone call. I said, oh, this ain't good. This is good. And they said, 50 was filming something in New Jersey.

The weather was bad. He didn't want to wait until the last minute and canceled. So he was like, let's scramble. And I'm not going to lie. Ocho was the second person I reached out to. I reached out to four people. Ocho got back the quickest, so I was like, oh, he got it. Because he called me back immediately.

Oh, I called Matt Rife, and then Ocho, and then Dionne Cole, and Tommy from Power, Joseph Socorro. In that order was the four people I called Matt. Ocho, Dion, and Joseph. Hey, you notice the black guy got back to you fast, huh? You were the fast one, huh? You got back fast. He did.

Yeah. I don't know how many people that watch the episode, but you got a very fascinating story. You're from Cincinnati. You go to the military. And you're like, you know what? I think I could do comedy. And you started going to these open mics in the military.

How did you like, I want to fight for the country, which is a very noble call. You know what? I want to get on stage and tell jokes. Listen, it wasn't ever about like to fight for the country. It was, you grew up in a trailer park right outside of Cincinnati. I knew I wanted to be a standout. It was like, how do I do it, though?

I didn't know how. I thought you started in L.A. But like, who's got the most bases in California? The Navy does. But like, if I join the Navy, They're going to eventually get me to California. And so I spent two years in the Honor Garden, D.C., and then the first chance I got to get to San Diego,

I went, and that's when I started doing stand-up. Like, the whole plan was to get to California and start doing something. Because I thought the whole state was L.A. Because I didn't know. It was like never been. No. Yeah. Yeah.

So were you funny? So did you prank people? Were you cracking jokes? Did the teacher say, say, Mr. Owen, would you please sit down? everything is not meant to be a joke. Did you always have this sense of humor? Or was it like? Nah, I was class clown, most obnoxious, everything in high school.

Hey, yo, me and Chad back in 2006, so I moved back to Cincinnati in 2004, somewhere around there. And I met Chad almost immediately. Like, almost the first day I got back for some reason, ran into each other. And then I had this Tuesday night in Cincinnati, and it was killing. Like, because I knew the, I knew the ball.

players, their off day was Tuesday. They didn't have a lot going on. I go, all right, if I can do something on Tuesday night, once the bingles start coming, then the hose start coming. We had all the bad chicks of Cincinnati. We had all the bingles. I was like, and then Chad, I called him.

In 2006, I called him. I said, yo, he was coming every week. So I was like, let's do Chad Johnson's Too Funny Tuesday, hosted by Gary Owen. So we did that. That thing was sold out so far in advance. Like that, 2006 year when me and Chad did it, it was packed to the brim. People still talk about that today

back in Sisi that year. Yeah. Gary, what do you say? Because people's like, you know, and Kat paid you the ultimate compliment. He said, Gary Owen's been in this thing 30 years. And for whatever reason, we know the reason he hadn't because he hadn't sold if sold to the devil. But a lot of people say, you know what, Gary is really, but it's crossover.

It's like, when you go to your song, it's like, it's like a Mardi Gras. It's like, it's like a HBCU convention. Because the black men and women, they love you. How did you, how were you able to garner that crowd? You being a white comedian. You don't choose your audience. They choose you. I like that.

You know? And my first chance to get on TV was BET. Yeah, I would have went on Telemundo if I spoke Spanish. You just trying to get on anything. Yeah. My first TV appearance was the Dayton game. Really? And it was funny because I was one of the three guys,

and we don't know who the girl is. But when we were backstage, you know, they do two different segments every episode. So it would be as a guy picks, Three girls and then a girl picks three guys, right? They switch. Well, obviously it was a white girl picking three white dudes. But when we were in the green room, I saw some black guys.

I was like, wait a minute. Are you guys here filming today? They're like, yeah. I went through. Can we switch? Can we make the other episode? Yeah. No, you were assigned to this episode.

I said, I think I'll be on the other episode, though. But my first, that was my first TV appearance. was the dating game. How do you think Chad did for the wedding? Back to the wedding. I mean, how many people did you invite? We had 170. Okay.

Close family, friends and loved ones. Yeah. We had a nice mix of like, quote, unquote, Hollywood, my entertainment friends, and then my wife's friends, you know, they're all from Houston. So it was a nice mix of ratchet. Yeah, yeah.

I'll tell you what, at one point, the liquor start going it got about 1130 which is late for the wedding also there was a twerk off on the dance floor and I'm in the middle so much ass was hitting my legs

I almost tore my ACL it was getting flipped around like so much I was like one ass you go this way the other one I was like yeah hello Gary you got a twerk off at a wedding oh we got it in this wasn't a normal wedding bro

I got roasted Russell Peters and Lunel went up and roasted me at the reception. It was just fun, man. And Ocho, what I liked about it, I told him, man, don't stress. I want you to mess up. So he messed up a couple times because he said it was dark and he had sunglasses on. I said, I can't read this.

It's too dark. They got sunglasses. But I wanted to be, it was imperfectly perfect. I mean, he made it his. So I didn't want, like, I didn't want the preacher to be like, it was all perfect and rehearsed. We didn't want it that. So was Ocho late? No, no, he got their own time.

What? Hold on. Wait a minute. You need to tell what this man got this time. Yo, I said, is he here? They go, he's already dressed. Let me, let me, here's what I'm impressed with. The theme was black tucks with a black undershirt. We wanted the guys to be in all black.

So many guys said they couldn't find a black shirt. How did Chad? Confirms on Thursday. The wedding Saturday, he had a black tucks, black shirt. I go, if he can do it, you guys should have been able to do it. The other guy. We're just getting found a black shirt. He found it.

Hey. No, he came shirtless. You thought it was a shirt. Hey, you got to understand. I take, I take being a fissian, I take it very, very seriously. That was my first one. Hey, Gary, now my services are open to the public. Right now, I'm starting low.

I'm only charging 500 bucks. So 500 bucks to officiate. And with that package, I can also perform with my little band. I got a mini band down here in Miami. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I just want to. Hello.

Gary, you say, you say the old lady. She's from Brooklyn. Yeah. Thick. Hey, you know what, I've been looking to get down there and look around as a property. Oh, can you show you? Can you show me around and used a little bit? Yo, she got me.

I met her at the gym. You know a little something about that, Shannon. But I'm saying, how you approach it though? If you met at the gym, you just walked up to it while she was working out. Or you waited. You waited. I told the story at the wedding. I go, I saw her and she was stretching.

And I was like, dang, she's kind of fine. So my roommate, I said, yo, go invite her to a show. So he came back. He goes, man, I got good news. and bad news. I said, what's the good news? He goes, she wants to come to show. I said, what's the bad news? He goes, she don't know who the fuck you are.

I said, ooh, I got to be extra funny tonight. We, you know, we was, we weren't in a place to date then. I was still I was separated by I was married. Yeah. She was you know, she wasn't ready to settle

down, so to speak. She had, she had her guard up with me. And finally, we just always stayed in touch and then, you know, it just worked out. Hey, hey, hold on, I got one more question. Has she ever dated a white guy before you? Never.

Who you the first? Always and the last. You like that. You like that. Because we talked about this. You like being the first. You think you sleep. Hey, I don't get those black girls. I never have got the black girls and dated white dudes. I get the ones that like, wow, first time.

Always, my whole life. Yeah. Hey, but we, but we, we talked about this and you said, uh, I think you said on the show that you had only been with one white woman your entire life. Every other woman that you've been with is mainly been basically a black woman of color. Okay, woman of color. Cause, but again, what, I mean, being from, hold on, you from Midwest. You say you're from a trailer park outside of Cincinnati. So you're not even really in Cincinnati. You're outside of Cincinnati, maybe near the Kentucky border. The Kentucky border. How does a red-headed white kid from a trailer part say, you know what?

You got Jet Magazine pinned to your wall in the trailer. Dude, let me tell you some. Playing football and sports, whenever we played the inner city schools. Yeah. Everybody else would be like, oh, no. I'd be like, oh, yes. I was like, I'm about the ball today. Hey, you're going to earn you some stripes today. Hey, man, when you come into Vegas? You got to show it. Vegas, July 17th and 18th at the Venetian.

I'm going to try to get to that. If I'm in town, I'm coming. What about Atlanta? When you come, I know you're probably being in Atlanta. Atlanta's October or something. The first we got of October, that's going to be at the Cobb Energy Center. Yo, I ain't lying, Shannon. Like, I did your show.

what almost two years ago about about nine months ago somehow I got in the algorithms and everything just took off like the ticket sales they gave me I didn't give I want to say I earned it got a hundred city tour

and we're doing all theaters and we're selling out everywhere it's just it just took off it just took off I think it was just me peppering all the time doing clips because I made a decision well you got you got a you got a lot

questions because everybody started asking you about the question about the situation with the eggs and the situation with your kids and so the thing is is that you didn't shy away from it Gary you talked about it and once you get into that algorithm yeah hey everybody people that don't know or didn't probably didn't know who you were now they get to see you come up on their feed yeah and you get rewarded for being in that algorithm but also when people mention your name in a negative response you also into the algorithm also this thing is bad press I'll tell you that. Especially your business.

Because like, oh, let me see if he's really funny. Let me see what's really going on with Gary Owen. If everybody says, because you hit it out, even on comic, you know, deaf comedy jam and all the shows early on, they weren't a whole lot. You, honest, John, I think those might have been the only two white guys that I actually saw on those shows. Yeah, there was one guy named Dante.

I think Gabe, I think, I think Fluffy might have been on there. Luffy did it once. I think Joe Coy did it once. For about the first seven, eight years of Comic View, it was only like three comics an episode, and there was like 15 episodes. Like, literally like 40 comics they were choosing from. Then they stopped making it a contest.

The year I hosted, and they opened it up. That's when they opened up to like 500 comics, and then you got a little more diverse. But in the beginning, it was a contest. People forget that. Comedy view is a contest. And they did that because Dev Jam was just like comedians. When BT wanted to do comedy, they said, well, we can't do Dev Jam.

We got to switch it up a little bit. So we'll make ours a contest. So then when Dev Jam went away and I became the host of Comic View, then they went back to just be in a comedy show again. It wasn't a contest anymore. If I'm not mistaken, you're the first and only white comic to host. Because some more hosted, said, hosted, hosted.

Yeah, I'm the first. Who else? I'm trying to think. I think on the first and only white on-air personality they've ever had on any show. Then I had the reality show, too, on BET. Hmm. Boy, BETT loved you. He did.

Yeah. I think they're going, I think since they've been taking over, I don't know how much original content we're going to get, Gary. So it might be all reruns. So you might be still have a couple of episodes still air. I don't think they're going to do much new content. I think we run everything on BT now. I think I saw Homeboys in outer space.

Hey, hey, Gary, I'm thinking about doing a little comedy. Did he just freeze? I think he froze. Yeah, he did. He did. Hey, that's normally what happened. I ask God every time he tell a lie to freeze it. And you see what happened?

Joe, our prayers wouldn't answer. Hey, Gary, I got a question. I've seen the viral clip when Charlemagne asked you, had you been faithful your entire man and you started choking, right? Hold on, hold on. But I also heard you say that they came up in court as you was going through your divorce. Well, it came up in mediation. We never actually went to court when we got the divorce.

We ended up settling, but she brought it up in mediation. She goes, yeah, I saw the clip. And I go, what? Did they play the clip? Because a lot of times you go to mediation, if you say something, they'll play it. No, they didn't play it. we were, once we got to that point, we were pretty cordial. So you'll play it if the guy's in denial or she has something to gain.

I felt like I was very generous in mediation. I think that's a sign of a good divorce. I feel like I paid too much and she'll tell you she didn't get enough. I'm like, right. That lets you know, that's a good divorce. But here's the thing. You're like, I'm a comedian. I'm just making light of a situation.

Of course I was faithful in my marriage. Yeah, right. No, that's why when we, when I got married, when I proposed and everything, you're gonna have a bachelor party? I said, I had a bastard party my first marriage. I'm good. I'm good.

I need another one. Hey, you can hear me? Yeah, we got you. I don't know what's wrong. This Wi-Fi keep going in and out. Oh no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

That's God answered Joe in our prayers. Yeah. Hey, no, Garrett. Go ahead. What you want. I was telling Gary, you know, I didn't start up, I didn't start doing, like, stand-up myself. I've been trying to tell jokes on here, you know, towards the end of every show, you know, trying to get Netflix to give me a series, give me a comedy special.

Well, I'm the last one you need to ask about Netflix, because they say it to me every year. Okay, okay. I want to try one of my jokes and I want to see if you can get it. Oh, no. Okay. You ready? Yep. What do you call a cow's knee?

What? a burger joint you see Gary you see we got to go through Gary he laughed for he got the punch line out he said

a burger joint yeah give the joke a chance to breathe hey I could I couldn't I could hey Gary one day I promise you I'm gonna make it big

I'm make it big on stage somebody stage You made it big. You didn't NFL. I'm talking about once, I mean, my second part of life. My second part. Yeah. But, Ocho, Gary, correct me from Rome.

It's just not good enough to be funny. You got to talk about something. You got to, I mean, the job of a comedian is take real events, be it somewhere else or about themselves, and make them funny. And so to be funny, it's one thing to, oh, bad, that doker funny. But to get up there and stand in front of 200, 300, 500,000, 2,000 people, and to just keep it going and going and going.

Hey, can I tell you something? Yes. I've done that before. I've done that before when Gary hosted. Matter of fact, Gary, you might not, you might not remember this, the improv by Marvin Dixon and Benji Brown used to host down in COVID-N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Tuesday nights.

Yeah, Tuesday night. In the off-season, whenever the first comic got booed, if you see Marvin Dixon and Benji Brown, ask him who finished the set when the first comic got booed every time. No, I remember, when you went up one night in Cincinnati,

okay, he had a funny joke, Shannon. He had a pretty good one. Because he goes, oh, he'll get, he'll get, he'll get, he'll get, he'll get you three. I remember the one. Which one? What was it? Don't y'all hate it when your Lamborghini breaks down and you can't?

Oh, you guys want to know none about that. Hate it. Ha! You in your helicopter and the helipald are you in your helicopter and the helipads booked up, You can't, ah, you can't, you don't know about that. He was kind of digging on the audience. Come on, Ojo.

Oh, so not, chat, y'all see a different side of Ocho. No, no, no, he's just playing. He's just playing. No, he ain't just playing. No, that's real. Oh, that's funny. I didn't fly in, hey, I didn't fly in spirit to the wedding. Oh, you, oh, you, oh, you, what did you fly?

I'm American or United. He was in 1A. I knew the C number. And the buckhead. Yeah, I can't do, I can't do bulkhead. They have to have a wheelchair to get me off. It was short notice. That was the only first class seat direct that I could get up on.

So I was like, I was just happy they had one first class seat available. I was all right, they got it. Listen, I'm not picky. Long as you put me in the exit, bro, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm very low maintenance. Yeah.

Where's the honeymoon? Where's the honeymoon, Gary? We didn't really had one because I'm on tour. So I took a week off of the tour. Okay, okay. We'll figure out this summer. I mean, this summer, the tour's going to Australia, New Zealand, and Europe. So wait a minute.

So she attacked, well, I should use the term loosely tag alone, but she'll be going with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait a minute. Hold on, hold on. You, you on tour? Yeah. It's called no hard feelings. Hey, hey, listen, what do you think about me opening up for you one night?

All right. That's fine. Be ready. I'll be waiting in the wings. Gary, all of a sudden, you don't seem overly enthused by that. Hey, I'll give a shot. I can give a shot. You want to go up?

Yeah. I like that. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Gary, do you have a regular person that normally opens up? Or do you go to different cities and have different comedians? No, I got two guys I rotate. So they pick their cities.

then they switch up. So I got two guys in real. I kind of rotate them. Ah, that's awesome. That's cool. That's awesome. So who would you say, who would you say when you was like, like you give these guys an opportunity to rotate?

Who gave you your first big break here? Well, Guy Torrey was the first one to put me on stage in L.A. I would have to say Guy because he had, he had a Fat Tuesdays back in the day on Sunset Strip. Well, I know you love Fat Tuesday. Because boy, they have. And. But you go ahead and go to the story.

It's bittersweet because that's where I met my first wife. Hey, fat, too. Do you remember plays Gary called Shark Bar? Come on. What about the Century Club on Sundays? Remember that? Oh, wait. Oh, in LA?

In LA. Yeah. Century Club, they had that one out. Way, way, way back. Yeah. Century. There you come so special, bro. I remember that.

Man. Man, Gary, congratulations on the marriage, congratulations on the twins, congratulations on all the success, the tour. No one is more, I don't like to say deserve.

You get what you earned. No one has earned this more than you. The time that you put in, from what I can tell, I've never really hung around you personally, but from everybody that I've talked to that's in the space that you in. Nobody has ever uttered a word negative,

even off camera about Gary Owen. And I think if somebody, if you can find people that can speak positive about you, even when the microphones or the cameras aren't rolling, you've done a good job. You've done a good job. Yeah, well, I just try to treat everybody. I just try to be cool with everybody.

That's it. I don't ask nothing from them. just be cool. Chad knows. I've been around said a lot. I see when Chad was at the top of his game in Cincinnati, when they had Carson Palmer and Hushman Zada and Rudy Johnson and all them, I saw people come to Chad. I was like, I was on to get disgusted at the things they would ask.

Okay, let me tell you how disgusting people are real quick. That 2006 season, every week, Chad would draw a name out of a hat and he would leave people two tickets to the home game. And if it was a road game, he'd fly them in. and put them up. Every week. So we had this raffle and he pulled names out.

One week, this lady came up. First you came up to me and said, can I talk to Chad? I said, I don't, I'm not going to be the go-between. I ain't his manager. And then she came up to Chad and said, hey, we got tickets.

The hotel was great. The flight was great. But yeah, it was like $60 for a cab. And I was like, you got to be shitting me. for the cab fare. I was like, people, man. Yeah. Joe, that's what Joe and I was talking about last week,

about somebody being ungrateful. So you get two tickets. You get accommodations. You get, you get a flight to the city. You get accommodations. And you mean to tell me, you won't demand to give you 60 bucks for a cash. I saw what happened.

I saw what happened. I was like, you got to be kidding me. but see but when when we talk about people oh man that didn't happen you over and guess what Gary and this is how to chat operate well Chad you make it five six million dollars you should have just gave us $60 not thinking about what you had already done which you didn't have to do right I was I was and I was like damn oh cho you got free tickets to the whole game he said no he was giving our ticket to roll games he would fly them to the city give them tickets put them up and then somebody complained about not getting $60 for that.

I'm surprised, Ocho, they didn't say you didn't give us a predile. Here's our receipt for our beers and our fries. I saw what happened. I was so taken back by that. I was disgusted. I was disgusted by it. I go. But I tell you what, you say July 17.

The Venetian. Yep. If I'm here in Vegas, I'm coming up. Oh, matter of fact, wait, you in Vegas on the 17th? Of July. Okay. Matter of fact, Joe, make sure you block

your calendars, that'd be the show where I open for you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Hey, San Jose, I got, he came through for my wedding. I can't say no.

Yeah. There's no way I can say no. And I'll be like, if I say no, I'm worse than the $60 people. Got to let him. go up. He didn't charge nothing for the way. Yeah. Oh, Lord. I, I, now, I definitely got to go. Hey, Gary, I got some good material, too. Well, I ain't, so to me. Gary, give him five minutes and help him, Gary. Can you help him for five minutes? Gary, you can do something. Hey, hey, I'm good.

I'm good in front of crowds. I'm very good in front of crowds. I'm very engaged. And I have, I have something most people don't have is called stage presence. I become one. with the crowd. I got you. Okay. Okay. I can't wait. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Hey, Gary. Hey, Gary. Just in case have somebody on stand. Yeah. I'm just saying, no, no, no, no. He's,

it's not just going to be me and Chad. I'm going to have a problem. He's like, he like sounds like a guy trying to get into porn. Dude, I perform. We're going to have his other dude waiting in the wings. Just, just, just, case. You got Mr.

Marcus. Oh, man. That's unbelievable, man. Gary, thank you for joining us tonight, man. We appreciate this, man. Tell the family,

I said hello to the new wife, the new kids, man. Congratulations on all the success. Again, look down the road. I appreciate you guys. All right, babe. Congrats, bro. Thank you, sir.

Very funny, Gary Owen, man. Hey, I mean, you know what? When you're funny without trying to be funny, man. Hey, that's me. You hear me? Huh, Joe? Huh?

That's right up my alley, huh? I don't try to be funny. Sometimes I get on stage and they just start laughing before I even say anything. Well, goddamn, can I tell the joke first? Yeah. Yeah. I just disappointed at the people that after you did all that, wanted six dollars. I mean, I won't tripping.

I just gave him $6, you know, out of my pocket. I really won tripping. I understood it. Everyone, some people aren't in the position. know where they you know what I mean so I kind of I kind of saw it in that light well you shouldn't win if you're not in a position if you can't afford a cab fare from the from the airport to the hotel or the hotel to the game and vice versa don't go I understand but I don't think I don't think winning two tickets being able to go to a bang on game out of town you know and your room is already

paid for you all you have to do and just checking and go to the game I I kind of saw it for their side and not having the fun. So I just gave them a $6. Oh Joe. Ocho, you did this for a full season. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hold on, Joe. We had games, right?

We had, we had seasons where, um, I'm sure some people in the chat that are watching football long enough. We had some games, but the games was blacked out, Joe, because they didn't send out tickets. Joe, I bought up the rest of the tickets so everybody in Cincinnati could watch the game. I refuse to let our game get blacked out.

Joe, I should do some crazy stuff where, some crazy stuff just to make sure. sure them people was entertained, man. Yeah, man. You might be a- Yeah, Joe, I'm a cool dude. I just... That just goes to show you.

Ain't nobody to watch it. The Broncos, they never had no black that day. Well, Un, I mean, y'all, y'all ain't really had no bad days like we had, nah. You got to understand why when I got... That's what I've been trying to tell you. Hey, Joe, we were... But that's outstanding. I know I ain't buying no chickens.

Joe, we was a laughing stock of the league, boy, when I first got there, boy. Hey, I know what you mean, Ocho. I know what you mean, oh, Joe. Oh, what you played with was that bad? Yeah. Me? Atlanta, when I first got to here. When you first got to Atlanta, the hall was terrible.

Before I got, Ocho, before I got here, they won nine games before I got here. Well, when I got here, we win but 29 damn games out of 802. Okay, okay. Out of 82? I know what it, out of 82, listen. So like, I know what it feels like when you walk into the. arena. I'm talking about it's empty. We probably had three, four hundred people seem like in the stand.

It was bad, Joe. And you can hear the basketball bouncer, Joe. You can hear more than that. It was bad. You heard everything. Everybody talking, the conversation. Yeah, it was bad. It's hard to, like, kind of get yourself going.

You know what I'm saying? You ain't, yeah. I don't been there, bro. Damn. And we was like one, we won one game, one year, two games the next year. I think seven one year. Oh, that would be. That's how y'all got cars.

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